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Speaker 2: It's spooky, Hey kooky.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming, it's.

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Speaker 1: Said by ros dress. Hey boo, it's me Rod's dressful ass.

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Speaker 1: been ghosted too. Hello, oh hello, Hello? Is this Eddie

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Speaker 1: the Setti? Hi Eddie?

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Speaker 3: How are you good? How are you good?

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Speaker 1: You're in Hawaii?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm on the Big Island. Cool.

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Speaker 1: You sent me one of my favorite stories ever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That means a lot to me,

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 3: Love that story.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so for people that might not know, you

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Speaker 1: said the story a while ago about your grandfather. Wait,

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Speaker 1: can you tell it?

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Speaker 2: Sure, totally. So I had a couple friends over, my

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Speaker 2: like to hang out and do fun you know, witchy

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Speaker 2: say once and we set it all up and did

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Speaker 2: I did, and I go to answer the phone because

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Speaker 2: And then I went back to my room where my

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Speaker 2: And they were like, did you hear that when you

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Speaker 2: And they said they heard like a bird call or something,

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Speaker 2: soon after that. All of a sudden, man was just

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Speaker 2: It looked like a younger man. But I'm also named

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Speaker 2: But he would appear to me for a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: And my sister saw him too, and she said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, but what do you mean? Like he was

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Speaker 2: I could just tell. I don't know, he was just

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Speaker 2: but it made sense later on. And then the brown

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is really pretty safe. Opened up so many

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Speaker 1: How can there be a suit physically in this earth?

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Speaker 1: But then also like the ghost of that suit.

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Speaker 1: Also, it makes me so happy anytime I hear these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And what was kind of crazy is at

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Speaker 2: And my sister said, yeah, she's like evil or bad

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Speaker 2: It was like such a terrifying feeling. It just made

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Speaker 3: About her, huh.

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Speaker 1: And so we never.

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Speaker 1: But do you believe that your grandfather looking young in

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I love the Grandpa's story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about.

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Speaker 1: The haunted Ferbie story?

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Speaker 2: So that so that was I mean, I was probably

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Speaker 2: my mom was working a late shift, and all of

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Speaker 2: He was probably like, I see you, little boy. You're

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Speaker 1: Hi is this Liz from Chicago?

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Speaker 4: Hi? Hi?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great?

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Speaker 1: How are you so good? Are you ready to be

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Well I want to hear your ghost story about your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's lunch. I can just start from being

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay. So my grandma lives a few blocks away

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Speaker 4: No, my grandfather's voice calling her name.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so she had asked your friends like what

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Speaker 4: what do you mean? Watched the blankets? But but nobody

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Speaker 4: Talking to somebody that I know of? Yes, I know

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Speaker 1: And so actually at the party, everyone like you guys

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, she was like in trance. It was. She

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Speaker 4: So one my grandma and my grandpa were in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: But but she doesn't know who the little boy is.

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00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: No, she she had told me a story when I

443
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: was younger about a little boy that had lived there

444
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 4: named Justin and when a few years after she had

445
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: moved in there, she had found his name just carved

446
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 4: into their brand new windows green. And that's the only

447
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 4: story she'll tell me, which is very creepy.

448
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going on in the upstairs of this house?

449
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 5: So?

450
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: When my mom was a teenager. She said that there

451
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: used to be something that would open the door of

452
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: her room and walk in at night, and she could

453
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: hear it creaking the floor and would come up to

454
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: her and just start saying horrible things to her, like

455
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 4: in her ear, like you're gonna die, Everyone's gonna die.

456
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna kill you. And even to this day, she'll

457
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 4: sleep with the pillow and a blanket over her face

458
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: because of just force of habit of trying to not

459
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: hear what it was saying to her. And after she

460
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: moved out, my aunt had moved into her room and

461
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 4: the same thing was happening to her point where one

462
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: time she was laying in her bed and the bed

463
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 4: had actually started to come off of the ground and

464
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 4: start shaking.

465
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know what would you do if

466
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: that happened. I don't even know.

467
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: I just trying to think of these stories. And like

468
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: my like my aunt, she's just like an office worker,

469
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: like corporate lady. She's you know, and we're just sitting around.

470
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, like, but guy started levigating under me what.

471
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: You were telling me that you then moved to one

472
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty year old Chicago Landmark. What happened there?

473
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 4: Yes, So when I was twelve years old, my family

474
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: moved to one hundred and fifty year old Chicago Landmark

475
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 4: and it's a beautiful house. But when I was younger,

476
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: I was laying in my bed one night, and I

477
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: have the habit of looking at my phone and seeing

478
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: what time it is. So I look and marked the time,

479
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: and then I turn over, and not moments later, I

480
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: heard in my ear super loud, and I didn't think

481
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: much of it because I just I dismissed things very easily.

482
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 4: But then a few seconds later, so I sprung up,

483
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: I turned around and grabbed my phone at only five

484
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: minutes the past, so I knew I was in the sleep.

485
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 4: I turned on all the lights in my house and

486
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: went downstairs, turned on the TV, everything, and did not

487
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: sleep in my room for a good month after that.

488
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: It was terrifying.

489
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: What kind of voice, Like, do you think that was

490
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: a little ghost kid or what?

491
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it was. It was a whisper, but

492
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: it was kind of an aggressive whisper, like just exactly

493
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: how I did it. It burned into my brain.

494
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: So, what's the history of that house?

495
00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: So it was the first example of like stick architecture Chicago,

496
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: but it was built by a preacher, so built by

497
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: a Catholic man. I'm not sure anything else that's happened

498
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: in there, but I haven't really wanted to look into it. Honestly,

499
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 4: I don't really want to know. But other than that,

500
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 4: it's just a fairly normal, really old house.

501
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: Did other things happen while you guys lived there?

502
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this one I think was slightly more drumbed

503
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: other things because I did freak out. But I was

504
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: going into our attic, which as very steep there is

505
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: going up, and I was going to get a suitcase

506
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 4: to go stay at my friend's cottage for a week.

507
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: And I got up to like the third or fourth there,

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: and I heard really loud, stopping footsteps come up from

509
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 4: behind me.

510
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Oh behind past me.

511
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: Yes, this was six in the morning. Nobody else was awake,

512
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: and I turned around. There was nobody there, and I

513
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: sprinted down the stairs and I went immediately into my parents' room,

514
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: following my eyes out. Please tell me one of you

515
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 4: just try to mess with me, please please please. My

516
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: parents are like stealing bag looking at me. What are

517
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: you talking about? Please go back to that and oh,

518
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: I don't make my dad go up there and get

519
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: the suitcase for me because I could not.

520
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: Go back up there.

521
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: Are your parents still there?

522
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: My parents? Yeah, we also live there. I actually there.

523
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well keep me updated if you have

524
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: some real spooky stuff happening.

525
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: Oh, I hope that.

526
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: There's a ghost in my house. Hi is this Patrick?

527
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: It is? Is this raw?

528
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: This is ros Hi Patrick?

529
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: Where are you?

530
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: I am very severely landlocked in the middle of Missouri.

531
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: Wow, you're pretty experienced with ghosts.

532
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: Right?

533
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: Say it again, You're pretty experienced with ghosts.

534
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: I hear it right, pretty pretty much. I'm a I'm

535
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: a giant nerd. I don't think anybody is an expert

536
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: in it, but it's I'm a I call myself a

537
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: para nerd quite often.

538
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: So if they did consider people experts, would that be you?

539
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: Uh No, not even then, because I fail at a

540
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: lot of things, but I'm interested in Like, I try

541
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: a lot of things, a lot of spirit communication techniques,

542
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: and I get h you know, I move on from

543
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: one thing to the next thing. You know. I read

544
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: a book about channeling and then try that, and then

545
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: I move on to this other thing and try that,

546
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: and I fail at most of them. But I've I've

547
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, I've had some cool experiences.

548
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, nobody knows anything for sure, but

549
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: that seems like you've had some evidence.

550
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: Well I do. I get kind of OCD about it,

551
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: so I get sucked into it. I've read a lot

552
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: of books. I used to read a lot more before

553
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, smartphones became a thing.

554
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: But wait, what's like the best book about ghosts? Because

555
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I've been trying to read a ton of books about them.

556
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Do you have any recommendations?

557
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, I have so many recommendations. I kind

558
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: of go to, you know, most of the books by

559
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: psychics and mediums, which I am a sucker for. And

560
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: the first one, the first book that did it for

561
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: me was at book by James Van Prague, which is

562
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: Ghosts among Us. And I don't know that that's necessarily

563
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: the best one, but it was the first one for me.

564
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: It really kind of started off what I've always called

565
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: my spiritual shift, which like several people I've heard on

566
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: your show that are either running away from some kind

567
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: of dogma, you know, religious background. It was the first

568
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: book that was kind of opened my eyes and I

569
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: was like, Oh my gosh, so this is what is

570
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: going on? And I all of a sudden didn't fear death,

571
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: and I just then I started a fascination for me

572
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: on you know, what is life like on the other side? Yeah,

573
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: look like you know, what's my house going to look like?

574
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: Do I get to design it? Do I get to

575
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, like I tell the questions never end?

576
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: Okay, ghost among us, I'll check that out. Can you

577
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: tell me your ghost story?

578
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: I will tell you my ghost story. Are you ready?

579
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm ready? Creep me out.

580
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: Okay. So, as we've already discussed, I I poke around

581
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: the paranormal a lot, and especially four or five years ago,

582
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: I was poking around a lot. I don't have a

583
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: lot of experiences. I'm also a fairly skeptical person. I

584
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: consider myself kind of fifty percent fifty percent. I wanted

585
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: to be real and I'm looking for it all the time,

586
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: and I'm obsessed with this idea of spirit communication. Well,

587
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: four or five years ago, I was heavily involved in

588
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: several events. So in one week, for example, I had

589
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: been helping a family with some paranormal experiences in their home,

590
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: and I was brought in to do some things with that.

591
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: And so that had lasted a couple of days.

592
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: What was happening to.

593
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Them, I'm sorry say it again.

594
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: What was happening to them?

595
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: They had some experience in what there were two teenage

596
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: daughters in that house, and one of the daughters continued

597
00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: to have what they felt be beings come out of

598
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: a closet in her bedroom. And they'd also had some

599
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: experiences down their hallway. And it was one of those

600
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: weird things, like it's not a historic house. It's just

601
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: kind of a suburban seventies probably eighties family house, you know,

602
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: two story houses. So I didn't have a lot of

603
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like I got a lot of experiences there.

604
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: I had some what I think are evp there, but

605
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: I think the experiences they had were not super comfortable

606
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 3: to them, like nothing was really they just didn't like it.

607
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: And so, and that was like two nights before the

608
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: story that I'm getting ready to tell you. So I

609
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: was doing that investigation, and I was also doing some

610
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: seance experiments with a medium friend of mine, and I

611
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: was organizing them. She was being the medium, but I

612
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: was kind of guiding the event and putting together some

613
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: topics and trying to reach out to specific people on

614
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: the other side, and so I was just involved in

615
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: a lot, and so I was tired. And there was

616
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: a night where I was sleeping. My parents just happened

617
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: to be in our home with us because they were visiting,

618
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: and my husband and I are sleeping, and that day,

619
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: I think we'd had one of those seance experiences. And

620
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: it's in the middle of the night. I wake up.

621
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: I'm on my Okay, this is dorky, but I have

622
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: to explain it to you. So I'm on the right

623
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: side of the bed, my husband's on the left, and

624
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: I'm sleeping on my left side, so you know, I'm

625
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: facing my husband, and I wake up just like instantly.

626
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: And I would love to tell you it was three

627
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, because I know you love that,

628
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: but I simply don't remember. So it was, but it

629
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: was like in the middle of the night.

630
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: We'll say it was.

631
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: Sure, okay. And the first thing that I felt was

632
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: I was really cold. I was really cold, and my

633
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: heart was racing, and my analytical mind was telling me, okay.

634
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 3: I instantly started thinking of reasons why I could feel

635
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: this way. First of all, it was weird that I

636
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: just woke up immediately in the middle of the night,

637
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: and I started thinking, we like, am I having a

638
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: heart attack? Like, you know, are men not supposed to

639
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: sleep on whatever side? Or is my arm falling asleep?

640
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: And am I getting ready to you know? Do I

641
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: need to call nine to one? What's going on? But

642
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: then that kind of shifted to fear a little bit,

643
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: and I could just tell that even though I had

644
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: never had an experience like this, I could tell that

645
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: something was in the room with me. I could It

646
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: wasn't a very good feeling. And so I start in

647
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: my mind, I'm thinking, oh, imagine the white light, ah,

648
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: imagine the angels bring him down, protect me. And all

649
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: of a sudden, roz omg. All of a sudden, a

650
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: hand grabs me on my right shoulder. So I'm on

651
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: my left side, thinking this through with my husband, and

652
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: a hand reaches over the bed and I instinctively, and

653
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: I know people are going to think I'm Craig Gray.

654
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm not a great, great person. I

655
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: instinctively grab for this hand and I grab the hand,

656
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: I feel the hand.

657
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: I did a cold.

658
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: Dead feeling hand, and it retreats as I grab for it,

659
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: and so I'm so shocked and I immediately get kind

660
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: of pulled to my back. So I went from my

661
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: side to my back, And of course, now I'm freaking

662
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: out a little bit, because you know, every kid's nightmare

663
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: in the world that something's under your bed and grabs

664
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: for you. But I start thinking, Oh, I'm sitting there

665
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: going okay, what just happened? Am I awake?

666
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: Oh?

667
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: My gosh, yes, I'm pretty sure I'm awake. I'm like

668
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: pinching myself, and I'm also trying not to wake up

669
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: my husband because he rolls his eyes with this kind

670
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: of thing.

671
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: But you're not feeling like you weren't feeling sleep paralysis, right.

672
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: No, And I've heard you talk about that a lot,

673
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: and I've discussed that on my show a lot, and

674
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I think about that altogether. I

675
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: don't know, like there's this sleep hypnagogic state of your

676
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: sleep and hypnopompic state, you know, when you're coming in

677
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: and out of sleep. Could it have been that possibly?

678
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: But I was pretty damn awake.

679
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: Did you contact with the hand, like, did you actually

680
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: grab the hand or it pulled away?

681
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: My left hand reached over to my right shoulder and

682
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: grabbed the hand as it retreated. I know it was cold,

683
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: and I could feel it retreating intuitively, and I'm not

684
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: saying I'm an intuitive person at all, but intuitively, I

685
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: remember it as like a cold, black hand, like a

686
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 3: dead hand.

687
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: Was it wrinkly? And so what was it wrinkly?

688
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: It was kind of wrinkly. Yeah, And so I'm lying

689
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: there in my bed and I don't get chicken often

690
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: when it comes to ghosts. I get chicken when it

691
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: comes to real people. But I didn't get out of bed,

692
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: and I'm still ashamed of myself for that. And what

693
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: I did was I grabbed my iPhone and I turned

694
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: it to the recorder the voice memos, and I pressed record.

695
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: And you know, my parents were in the house with me,

696
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: my husband was sleeping. I was like, I am not

697
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: about to cause a scene, and so I just hold

698
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: it up into the air and I'm like.

699
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: Is there anybody here?

700
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: Anybody want to talk with me? For like five minutes

701
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: and the next day I didn't hear anything, but oh

702
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: my gosh, I've never ever had anything like that happen.

703
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: And of course I think it's cool because I'm always

704
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: poking my nose around looking for stuff like this, but

705
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: it's just weird. I've always told people that I've never

706
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: believed in like demons, and I'm not sure what I

707
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: think about real negative I mean, I think negative people

708
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: can become negative ghosts. But it's just bizarre. And did

709
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: I carry that home with me because of all of

710
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: this stuff that I was involved in, either the family's

711
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: house that I was helping with, or was it something

712
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: from a seance?

713
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: Who were you contacting?

714
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: We at the seance were contacting like mediums and people

715
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: like experts in spirit communication who have passed on over

716
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: the years, So I'm not sure what you like people

717
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: groundbreaking researchers and mediums over the years. I don't even

718
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: remember some of the name that we had reached out to.

719
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: And nothing really hugely eventful happened there either, So that's

720
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: the other thing that's weird. It's like, I don't feel

721
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: like anything really happened to both of these things.

722
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 5: But that's what I think.

723
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: I think. I hear these stories often where people are

724
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: doing seances, they're doing Ouiji boards, and then nothing happens

725
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: until the middle of the night right later, and I'm telling.

726
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: I'm telling, I've been at a wija board for years.

727
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: I did.

728
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people that experimented with it

729
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: growing up. You know, everybody has that one party that

730
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: sleepover where they had the Ouiji board, and that that

731
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: wasn't me. And a good friend of mine is a

732
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: ouija expert who you should totally talk to you, by

733
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 3: the way, Karen A Dolman, and she's kind of guided

734
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: me through doing some ouija board stuff. But for five

735
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: or six years, I sat at the ouija board countless

736
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: times and for hours nothing ever happened. Nothing. So like

737
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, Like I fail at these things

738
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: a lot, but I really badly want things to happen. Yeah,

739
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: and that night it did. I just didn't plan on

740
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: it happening in that way.

741
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: Okay.

742
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes you know they're not going to

743
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: be there on commands, Like you can't always just call

744
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: someone and they answer. So it's like you, who knows,

745
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how ghosts work. Maybe they were in

746
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: the bathroom when you were doing the Ouigi board and

747
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: that a couple hours later, you know they've washed their

748
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: hands and they're like, hey, remember how you wanted to

749
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: hang out with me, and then they put their hand

750
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: on you.

751
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: God, I hope they washed their hands, I know. But

752
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: you know, I've always said too that I never want

753
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: to assume. I hate when people talk about like, oh,

754
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: it was a shadow person, and thanks to paranormal TV,

755
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 3: we hear shadow person and we think, oh, it's a

756
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: demon and we've got to get rid of it. And

757
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, how how do you know that it's

758
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: not aunt? You know, Bertha, And that's the only way

759
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: she could muster up enough energy to reach out to you.

760
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: And then of course if you slip out and freak

761
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: out over it and are convinced it's a demon, well

762
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: then of course she's gonna think, oh, never mind, I'm

763
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: gonna freak him out. I'm not going to try to

764
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: reach out anymore. So I don't know what this was

765
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: with me interpreting it wrong, or maybe it was a relative.

766
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

767
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: You could have been or it could have been a

768
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: shady person, and that's the only way they could manifest

769
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: being a shadow.

770
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: Or or really processing some weirdo dreams from being a

771
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: middle school teacher. Some scary stuff there too.

772
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I can only imagine. Hi is this Christian?

773
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 5: This is Hi?

774
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: This is Ro's dress fleas.

775
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 5: Nice to talk to you, Rob.

776
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: How are you?

777
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: I'm living the dream? Ooh, where are you South Bend, Indiana?

778
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting? Have you been to that Demon House? Do

779
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: you know about that demon House from that Zach Baggins documentary?

780
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: Ooh no, I don't.

781
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I forget where it is. It might be in like

782
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: Gary or something. But there's like this super spooky there's

783
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: a documentary about it. But we're not here to plug that.

784
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: I want to hear about your ghost story.

785
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was listening to your last Listener episode

786
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: and for some reason, I was just I had to

787
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: send this to you. I have my own podcast and

788
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 5: I haven't even shared it on my own podcast yet

789
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: because I'm a little bit of an emotional person. So

790
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out how to do this right.

791
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: But I was roach to you about my grandmother because

792
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: I was very much a grandma's boy, spend this much

793
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 5: time with her as I could, and uh, when I

794
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: graduated high school, they moved to Missouri and it was

795
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 5: just a couple of years after that that she ended

796
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: up passing away. But when I was a little boy.

797
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: She used to hold me and rock me and rub

798
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 5: my back and my head like Grandma's do, and tell

799
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: me that I had gypsy in me. And I had

800
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 5: no clue what that meant, but that's what she would

801
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 5: say to me. And as I got a little older

802
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: and I figured out what the gypsy culture was and

803
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: all of that, I said to my brother, I was like,

804
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 5: you remember when Grandma used to say we had gypsy

805
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: in us? And he was like, she never said anything

806
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 5: like that to me, and I was like, that's weird. So,

807
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 5: you know, fast forward several years. It's about a year

808
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 5: after she passed away. And she was always super into Christmas,

809
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: and so I think that made me super into Christmas.

810
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 5: I love overdoing lights on the outside, overdoing things on

811
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 5: the inside of the house. And it's kind of my

812
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 5: little homage to her. But I was in my dorm room,

813
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 5: uh in college, and my roommate was away at home,

814
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 5: and she appeared before me. Uh huh. It was I

815
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 5: couldn't see her face, I couldn't make out details. My

816
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: grandma was a big lady, and she wore the colored mumoo.

817
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: I could see the moo moo. I could see the

818
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 5: shape of her. I could see the shape of her face,

819
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 5: but I couldn't make out any distinguishing facial features or

820
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 5: anything like that. And she asked me to pass on

821
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 5: some Christmas gifts for.

822
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: Was this like in the middle of the night or

823
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: what were you doing?

824
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: This is midday.

825
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 5: I was sitting watching TV. I don't even remember what

826
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 5: I was watching at the time, but I was just

827
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 5: watching a show in the middle of the day. I

828
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 5: wasn't doing anything. I was just hanging out in my

829
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 5: dorm room. And that stopped like that was the first thing.

830
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: Was my TV like shut off. And then she started

831
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 5: to appear before me, and so, being a good student,

832
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 5: I had paper and pencil nearby. She told me who

833
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: she wanted messages for, and she had these, excuse me,

834
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 5: very specific things that she wanted said, and so I

835
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: started writing them down as quickly as I could. And

836
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 5: then when she got down and give me a message,

837
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 5: she just kind of faded away, and then ROZ the

838
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: TV turned on back on and the show was exactly

839
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: where it left off. Who. So it was like time stopped.

840
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: WHOA.

841
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: Now my wife tells me that I'm full of it,

842
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 5: but I swear this truly happened so and so I

843
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 5: decided to pass on these messages. And the first thing

844
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 5: I do is I call my uncle who moved to

845
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 5: Missouri with my grandmother and now both my grandparents are

846
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 5: deceased at this point, and I said, don said Uncle Blad.

847
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 5: I said, this is gonna sound really crazy. I gotta

848
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 5: tell you something. Grandma came to me and he just

849
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: goes huh. And I was like, she told me to

850
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 5: tell you to relax. He goes, oh, okay, like he

851
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: completely understood what I was saying. And that freaked me out.

852
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 5: So then I was like, well, the next logical person

853
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: tells her other child, which is my mom. And I

854
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: saw I go home one night one time around Christmas,

855
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 5: I said, Mom, I said, I called uncle Bud.

856
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you as well.

857
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: Grandma came to me and she told me that she

858
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 5: wants you to know that she wants you to have

859
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 5: a merry x miss And she was very very precise

860
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: that I couldn't say Christmas. I had to tell you Xmas.

861
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 5: And my mom lost it, just sobbing and said, when

862
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 5: I was a little girl, she always wrote Xmas on

863
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: Christmas cards. She would never write out Christmas. And she

864
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: said so that's definitely a sign I completely believe you.

865
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: And at this point I was really freaked out. Like

866
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: I said, I was an emotional person. I think I

867
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 5: probably went and cried for a little while. And then

868
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 5: I went to my brother and I was like, I'm sorry, man,

869
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: I lost the list. Grandma had a message for you,

870
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 5: but I don't have it, and he goes, that's why

871
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 5: she told you had gypsy in you, and I was like,

872
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 5: he's right, so gosh, and so you know, I thought

873
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: that was just the end of it, like I passed

874
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: on these messages. But it was just later that year

875
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: that my girlfriend was playing with a Wuiji board at

876
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: the how she lived at, and I decided I was

877
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 5: gonna go over there for the evening and hang out

878
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: with everybody at her house. And so I knew they

879
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 5: were doing this, so I quietly snuck in and just

880
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: kind of stood like there were probably twenty people surrounding

881
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 5: the board. There were two or three people on the

882
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 5: board holding the pointer, and the board starts spelling out

883
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: the moment I get there, Hello Chris. Now nobody at

884
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: this point called me Chris because I became Christian while

885
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 5: I was in college, and so everybody's like, who's Chris,

886
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 5: who's this Chris? Like, there's nobody here. His name is Chris,

887
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 5: but my grandmother used to call me Chris. So again

888
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 5: a little freaked out, I kind of left. Nobody knew

889
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: I was there. I just went ahead and left. And

890
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: then nothing happened then, so that was a gosh, what

891
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 5: maybe two thousand. Nothing had happened until this last Christmas.

892
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 5: This time, I was definitely sleeping and I had a

893
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 5: dream that my grandfather, her husband, my grandpa John, had

894
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 5: come to visit me, and I was just talking to him,

895
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: catching him up on what they missed, and then he

896
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 5: says to me, hey, kid, did you hear Grandma's back?

897
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 5: And I gotta go, And then I woke up immediately

898
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 5: sobbing because he was just there. So I don't know

899
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 5: what that meant, that Grandma's back, but that is my

900
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 5: grandma portion of story. I have other ghost stories, but

901
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 5: I wasn't a haunted house here in South Bend not

902
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 5: long ago.

903
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: But wait, I want to hear those two.

904
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, just briefly, I was recording my own podcast. I

905
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: do a beer podcast, craft beer podcast. We have a

906
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: local one, so STUDI Baker cars were based out of

907
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 5: South Bend and they built a mansion. The family did

908
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: that owned it called the Typic a New Place and

909
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: it's still standing and they put a brewery in it.

910
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: So we were recording there and they, uh, and so

911
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 5: they said, would you mind coming in at night? We

912
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 5: know it's a little bit freaky around here at night,

913
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 5: but would you guys mind coming in after hours? They're like, absolutely,

914
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 5: I'll come in after hours. Like you could give me

915
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: the keys, I'll go in by myself.

916
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: But uh.

917
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 5: One of the things that happens there is up on

918
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 5: the third floor. They call it the ballroom. Up on

919
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 5: the third floor, there's allegedly a ghost that likes to

920
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 5: help people. It was a servant at the house, and

921
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 5: it'll bring people like there's people who said they've been

922
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: in a stall and they run out of toilet paper

923
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: and then all a sudden, paper towel will appear by

924
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 5: their feet and different things like this. So we're getting

925
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: ready to leave and nothing had happened the entire time

926
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: we were there, and I was like, Hey, I can

927
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 5: use the restroom. Could you point me in the direction.

928
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 5: They're like, go up to the third floor, and I'm like,

929
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 5: that's the ballroom. That's where one of the ghosts are at,

930
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: and they go all the lights off, so use your

931
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 5: cell phone light. Oh they're sending me. Yeah right, they're

932
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 5: sending me into a haunted area where there's no lights on,

933
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: and then they're trying to explain to me where the

934
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 5: light switch is at. And that wasn't happening. I wasn't

935
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 5: gonna be able to find that. So I go up

936
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: to the top of the stairs and roz there was

937
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 5: one light on. It was the men's room light. I

938
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 5: believe the ghosts turned on the light help me find where.

939
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: I was going.

940
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: Well that's a nice ghost right, Well, I think my

941
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: belief though, Yeah, it could be way worse.

942
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh god.

943
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: But still I'd be so scared to be in a

944
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: place I knew was haunted and I'd have to use

945
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: my flashlight.

946
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: It was a little weird, like I was like, no

947
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: one's gonna walk me up there and flip on a light,

948
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 5: like they know where they're going.

949
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: I don't.

950
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 5: But it doesn't scare me because I don't think. I

951
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 5: don't think most ghosts are here to hurt us. I

952
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 5: think a lot don't know that they're still here. Then

953
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: there's a lot that do want to help people like

954
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 5: they're just so, it's not my belief that many want

955
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 5: to hurt us. There's obviously demons, but I think the

956
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 5: majority of them are just here and they're not sure

957
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 5: what to do with it yet.

958
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean you've had some very lovely encounters

959
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: with ghosts. It sounds like true, it's true, that's true.

960
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 5: I am lucky.

961
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it stays that way because I mean,

962
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I also have never really had any militious encounters with

963
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: got but they're at there.

964
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.

965
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 5: I did have one that I thought hit me with

966
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 5: a door one time at one of my friend my

967
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 5: wife's friends' houses. As we walked in. They told us

968
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 5: the door and naturally fall open, but somehow I got

969
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 5: hit by it as I was walking in, and my

970
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: wife was like, sure, the ghost was trying to keep

971
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 5: you out. I was like, no, that's not what I'm saying.

972
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 5: I'm just saying maybe it wanted us to know that

973
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 5: it was.

974
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: There, Like they had a confirmed ghost there.

975
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: That y'all.

976
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 5: So their stories like like just you saying that made

977
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: all the hairs on my arms stand up. They heard

978
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 5: people walking up and down their stairs. Their dog wouldn't

979
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 5: go into the hallway that went led up to the bedrooms,

980
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 5: kitchen cabinets and stuff opening up and things falling out,

981
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 5: and it was They never had anybody investigate, which I

982
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 5: always thought was weird.

983
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: But do they still live there.

984
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: They don't. I'm disappointed by that.

985
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: I want to go back.

986
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 5: They didn't tell us that they thought it was haunted

987
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 5: till they moved out.

988
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: After all that stuff happened, pots and pants, find out,

989
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: dog not wanting to go places, doors, hitting people.

990
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 5: Right, and you're going to invite us over for dinner

991
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: and not tell us that.

992
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't live in that chaos. Well, thanks so

993
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: much for talking with me. These are great stories. Thank

994
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: you to all of our listeners, and again I would

995
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: love to talk to you in the future. So if

996
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: you have a ghost story that you'd like to tell

997
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: on the show, please send me an email at ghosted

998
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: by Roz at gmail dot com, subject line listener episode.

999
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: And if you have a ghost story that you don't

1000
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: want to tell on the show, you could leave it

1001
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1002
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,239
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1003
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: don't have a story or you could leave it in

1004
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: our Facebook group called Ghosts did by Roz dress Fales.

1005
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Roz dress Fales. You can get

1006
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: your tickets or the live show in the link in

1007
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: my bio on Instagram. Guys, if you want to see

1008
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: me this weekend in ox Nard, you know I'm there

1009
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: every month. I'll be back this weekend celebrating Valentine's Day

1010
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: weekend and that will be on what is this weekend?

1011
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: I guess it's the sixteenth. I'll be there this Sunday.

1012
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

1013
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

1014
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Speaker 1: Hey bye. Star Beings a podcast network