1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one and 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: tan the show, we are back with a new rut 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: radio episode in which we're checking in with a handful 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: of hunters from all across the nation to get the 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: latest on the white tail rut and the tactics that 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: are working right now. Welcome to this week's episode of 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Wire to Hunts Radio. Now, if you're not familiar with 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: what Wire to Haunts wrote radio is, what you'll be 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: listening to is me getting deer reports from deer hunters 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: across the nation specific quickly to get a feel for 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: what the buck activity is in their area. Now that 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: sounds different throughout the fall, and so you know, late 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: September we're gonna hear about bucks that are moving out 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: of there summer patterns. And then October is going to 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: be all the signmaking and November is obviously the rut 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: and now we're into another transition here at the end 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: of November, and a lot of that is what we'll 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: touch on in this episode and The idea for this 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: podcast is to help out hunters who maybe haven't been 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: in the woods in a little while. You know, you 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: have a three day weekend coming up here, or I 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: guess a really good example that you have a four 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: day weekend coming up for Thanksgiving and you haven't been 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: in the woods for a while. You haven't checked your 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: trail cameras, so you're not sure how aggressive you should be, 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: if you should focus on mornings or evenings, if you 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: think decoin would work right now, if we are beyond 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: lockdown and on the way down of the road, whatever 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: it might be, in this podcast will hope fully give 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: you some information and help you get another piece of 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: the puzzle in what is pursuing with your white Tails. Now, 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: you'll notice something a little different this week, and that 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: is that we are without our fearless leader, Mark Kenyon. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: So this intro was going to sound a little different 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: than most of them. Now I'll start out with my 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: salth Dakota report. Um, the real reason that Mark is 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: not on here is because he was jealous that I 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: killed another buck in South Dakota. So I'm not going 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: to go into a lot of detail on that hunt 43 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: to keep him from being more upset than he already is. 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: But I'll talk a little bit about what the deer 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: we're doing, UM and what I have observed in this 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: last week, And I think the main thing there that 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: I've seen is that most excuse me, not most, all 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: of the mature bucks I've seen have been with does, 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: sometimes one, sometimes two or three. UM. But that has 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: seemed like a really important detail that I'm not seeing 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: these big mature bucks hanging out, you know, in in 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: these groups of deer that exceed five or six, it 53 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: seems like a handful of dos and then a mature buck. 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Those doughs have not seem interested in those bucks, and 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: they've seemed interested in the food. So by the transitive 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: property of the does wanting to eat corn and the 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: bucks wanting to be where the does are, it is 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: seemed like the shift has now gone back to food sources. 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: And you'll hear a little bit of that in the 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: episode this week. Now, who we're gonna be talking to 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: as far as guests, we have Clay Forest with Stewart 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Ranch Outfitters in Oklahoma, Matt Ross in New York with 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: qd M A. We go to Wisconsin and talk to 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Derrick Nelson from Matthews Archery that we have Josh McDaniel 65 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: in Indiana with real tree. Now, this is notoriously a 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: tough time of year to hunt. Um. You know, you'll 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: hear people talk about it with disdain as if it 68 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: were you know, mid October and the October law. Um, 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: mid November seems to have that same reputation. But something 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: really cool about this episode is that there has been 71 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: a lot of success that we get to hear about, um, 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, starting with myself in South Dakota, and then 73 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: Clay Forest Guiding at Stewart Ranchild Fitters in Oklahoma. He 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: has put all kinds of clients on deer lately, to 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: the point where like three guys show up in camp 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: and they're tagging out on the first day. And then 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: Derrick Nelson in Wisconsin, I think it was just like 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: last week he tagged out on a good buck there. 79 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: And then Josh McDaniel in Indiana. Uh, we hear about 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: his successful haunt from just a couple of days ago, 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: and so that that's something really cool that I don't 82 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: know if we've ever had a batting average this good 83 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: on RUT Radio for a guest lineup, So the end 84 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: of November is tough, but it's not impossible. Now. One 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: more thing to look forward listen for in this week's 86 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: episode is that each one of our guests seems to 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: have a distinct theme in their reports. Clay in Oklahoma's 88 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: have been talking about how the food sources it played 89 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: an important role. Right now, Matt, we'll touch on what 90 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: science says about the end of November, and then Derek, 91 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: he is going to talk about how a boat hunter 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: can survive gun season in his day like Wisconsin. And 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: then Josh has some great intel and tells us why 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: this time of year, the end of November and round 95 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is his favorite part of the season to haunt. 96 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: Before we get to our first color, though, we need 97 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: to posit thank our sponsors at Sitka Gear. 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All right, and joining me 127 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: on the line first is Clay Forced, the manager of 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Stewart Ranch Outfitters now Clay in Oklahoma. What would you 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale 130 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: of one to ten buck at Kivy for us in 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the southwest part of the state. Um, I'm not gonna 132 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: call it a full ten, but we're really close eight 133 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and a half to nine. Uh. Been seeing a lot 134 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of activity in the last week to ten days as 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: far as bucks breeding, those bucks chasing, Uh, just all 136 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: day activity. So it's been a really good time to 137 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: be in the woods the last week and a half 138 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: or so. What would you label this phase? Is that 139 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: brought in Oklahoma? Then? Right now? Um, we are probably 140 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: just a little pass peak Rutt. Um. I believe peak 141 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Rutt was in the last probably three to four days 142 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: time frame, So we're just on a little downhill swing, 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: but we're right there. As far as being peak, Well, 144 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: it looks like your clients have had a lot of 145 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: success lately. What if those setups looked like for you 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: guys to get in any big deer down. Uh. So 147 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: it's been a little bit of a little bit of everything. Um. 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: In our country, we're fortunate enough to be able to 149 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: glass from long distances and make moves on beer. Uh. 150 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: We were able to put about a hundred and fifty 151 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: five intes year down on a on a spot in stock. Uh. 152 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: We basically bettered in down mid morning when got our 153 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: client and uh made a stock to him. He was 154 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: bettered down with his dough and we were able to 155 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: harvest him that way. Uh. And we're also getting in 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the way of them basically don't be coming to and 157 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: from food sources right now does coming in uh to 158 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: food and basically Bucks following them in and uh so 159 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: we've we've had some success with that. So uh we 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: we've really kind of been utilizing every uh situation and 161 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: every tool that we have to to get Bucks down. 162 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: You just touch on food sources there. What are those 163 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: food sources you're talking about? Uh. In our part of 164 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: the world in Oklahoma, we uh we really rely on 165 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: winter weeek winter week goes in and mid step timber 166 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and then really starts coming up about now. So we 167 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: had our first freeze about the week before Halloween, and 168 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: so dear have really been concentrating on our winter wheat 169 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: fields and we've been utilizing those a lot the last 170 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: about two weeks as far as our hunters coming in 171 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: and out, and uh, that's that's really where we put 172 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: a lot of our efforts to to find deer. So 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: are you looking at those winter wheat fields in the 174 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: mornings as well, or what are the mornings set ups 175 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: look like? Uh, yes, sir, So mornings set up for 176 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: more travel corridors coming to and from those fields. Um, 177 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: and kind of like I mentioned before, we're able to 178 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: glass a lot of our fields from from long range 179 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,359 Speaker 1: distances and so we're getting a really good idea where 180 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: we're bucks, are deer are traveling to and from our fields, 181 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: And so those are our morning set ups for the 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: most part um, and then the afternoons we'll get in 183 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: pretty early one two o'clock or noon, you know, just 184 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: kind of whenever a guy wants to go out, and 185 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: then getting those fields and let them come back to 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: us in the in the evenings. As we get beyond 187 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: the best days of hunting here, how do you think 188 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: the weather affects the deer patterns down there in Oklahoma. Uh, 189 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: at least um, in the next ten days. According our forecast, 190 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: everything's supposed to say, pretty consistent. We're gonna be a 191 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: little warm for us, which isn't too bad um over 192 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the years, at least at least for us. Consistent with 193 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: weather patterns keep dear active. It seems like if we 194 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: go from extreme cold extreme hot, you know, big big 195 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: temperature swings, our dear movement, our dear activity really declines 196 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: for a day or two. Um. So I'm pretty hopeful 197 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: with a consistent weather pattern, I think we're supposed to 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: be in the mid sixties, low seventies for highs and 199 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: in the fifth mid forties too or so for lows, 200 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: pretty consistent for the next ten days. I think our 201 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: our dear activity will stay stay pretty active, even though 202 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little warm. But that consistent weather 203 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: pattern for us really keeps deer on their feet and 204 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of keeps them to their patterns. So our activity 205 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: should should stay pretty consistent going forward. Then in the 206 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: next week or so, what do you think that's going 207 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: to look like on a scale of one to ten 208 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: for the bucket activity uh Um, I think it's gonna 209 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: come down just a little bit from the like I said, 210 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: the peak the last week or ten days, but I 211 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: still think it's gonna be really good time to be 212 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: in the woods. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just call 213 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: it a seven. Um. I think that, uh, we should 214 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: be pretty accurate for the next next week or so. Alright, Clay, 215 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: we'll congrats to you and your clients. If anybody wants 216 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: to see the successes they've had, you can check them 217 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram at s R Outfitters. Thanks for joining me, 218 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: all right, Thanks bench sure appreciate it alright and joining 219 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: me on the line. Next is Matt Ross out of 220 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: New York, the assistant director of Conservation for q dm A. 221 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Now Matt in New York, what would you say the 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: buck activity is been lately on a scale of one 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: to ten, probably about a six on a scale of 224 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: one to ten. We are still seeing a little bit 225 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: of bucks pushing those around and and and getting out 226 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: and looking for those, but for the most part we 227 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: are passed the peak of the real seek and chase 228 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: sink phase. I think a lot of deer are still 229 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: are in a phase of lockdown or paired up um as. 230 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: For example, I actually just got out of the field 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: and I saw three bucks tonight in a in a 232 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: live field. Two yelling bucks were kind of playing around 233 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: it and uh sparring, and there was a three year 234 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: old now on the field and he was walking the 235 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: edge leaving some scrapes and just kind of went back 236 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: into the woods. But for the most part, the deer 237 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: that I'm used to seeing in that space, um, they're 238 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: not coming out. There weren't as many deals in the 239 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: field as there usually are. And uh, just based on 240 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing from trail camras and other observations, I 241 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: think a deer are pretty locked down right now. Well, 242 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: New York just had their gun opener on last Saturday. 243 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: How do you think that's changed things for you guys? 244 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: As far as buck movement, it always impacts it. I mean, 245 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: it definitely will reduce it, um, at least where I 246 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: live in New York. I'm on the eastern end of 247 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: New York near the Vermont border. I actually think we 248 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: peaked with fuck activity kind of right before that happened 249 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: four or five days before that, and I was starting 250 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: to see it come down, and then with all the 251 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: hunters in the woods, I think it pushed it even further. 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Well before we jumped on the line, Matt had just 253 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: told me that he's starting to lose his voice. And Matt, 254 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that's from all the grunting and snore 255 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: wheezing you've been doing. Are you doing any calling right 256 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: now in New York? No? Actually, I tried to rattle 257 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: this this morning. Didn't work, didn't bring any deer. And 258 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: but I've I've learned through UM some of the literature 259 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: that we've seen that some of the best times to 260 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: rattle is actually after the peak of the rut, when 261 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: things are a little bit past lockdown, mostly because those 262 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: deer that are breaking off of the dose that they 263 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: initially bred might respond at a higher rate. Um. I 264 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: actually did not try to call today, not because my voice. 265 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know I was losing my voice 266 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: until we got on the phone, because I didn't speak 267 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: to anybody all day. I had all day. Said well, Matt, 268 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: do you favor right now haunting mornings versus evenings? Not 269 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: mornings over evenings. I think, if anything, right now, I'm 270 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: feeling on the properties that I have access to, evenings 271 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: are still pretty good, just based on being able to 272 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: access those places. Um, not necessarily because of rud activity though. Well, 273 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: you did just reference on all day, said, have you 274 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: been seeing any movement at midday or have your trail 275 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: cameras been telling you about any Yeah, some of it 276 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: not me personally, but my cameras have been showing that 277 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: there's I actually I'm on Instagram. I posted a video 278 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: earlier today of four pointer that was making a scrape 279 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago. Um. I have other 280 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: cameras that aren't on video mode that I've got a 281 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: lot of good activity. In the middle of the day, 282 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: I did an all day sit. Partly because of my availability. 283 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: I got a young family and I had a day, 284 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: so I went and said all day um, but also 285 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: partly because the gun season just ended, or not ended, 286 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: it just started. And today's Tuesday. Dear typically respond to 287 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: hunting pressure by about two or three days after the 288 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: pressures initiated by returning back to normalcy. UM. So basically 289 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: today would still be a little bit on the low point, 290 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: but tomorrow deal would start getting back to the normal routine. 291 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Today it was the day I got out, and I 292 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: was saying, thinking my muzzle just pulling all day, said, 293 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: just to see what I could find now this qutm 294 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: A have any literature or you know, speak about rubs 295 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: and scrapes at the end of November. Do you know 296 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: anything is as far as what science says about that. Yeah, 297 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: scrapes peak prior to the rut peaks, So scrapes should 298 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: be going down if your if your rut is already heat, 299 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: you're going to see a down take a pretty big 300 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: one in scrapes. Robs will continue to increase in prevalence 301 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: throughout the rut, even going into the beginning of the 302 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: late rut. So what people out there that are are 303 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: scouting and hunting. If you're seeing scrapes drop off and 304 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: basically get covered up by leaves and just disappear, we're 305 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: starting to look like they're just not being hit at all. 306 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: You're pretty sure that you're past the peak of the rut. Um. 307 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: We have a great guy to the white Tail raw 308 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: on our website as links uh to a lot of 309 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: different attributes to the rut on our website. We're going 310 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: forward then, in this next week or so, what do 311 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: you think that buck ACTV is going to be on 312 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: a scale of one to tending New York. I'm thinking 313 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: it's going down on my prediction, it's going to be 314 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: closer to a four or five, and we're going to 315 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: see a lot less or or considerably less than than 316 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: what we saw last week. All right, Matt Well, I 317 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: hope your voice comes back to you you able to 318 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: find a deer uh in this coming week. Thanks for 319 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: joining me, Thanks Bets, sorry for the voice. Before we 320 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: get to our next color though, we need to posit 321 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: thank our sponsors at white Tail Properties. And this week 322 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: with white Tail Properties, we are joined by Tom James, 323 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Central Indiana, and Tom is 324 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: going to be tellious about what to look for when 325 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: your goal is to flip a property. Okay, great question. Um. 326 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: First and foremost, looking at a good county in your state, 327 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: or even a good part of the county that is 328 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: known for producing better quality dear and that's typically easily 329 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: found out in the in the state's record book program. 330 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: So those counties are typically more highly sought after by 331 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: buyers um as opposed to you know, maybe counties that 332 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: are off out of that parameter. So number one, a 333 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: good county, maybe even a better part of the county 334 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: that is known for producing better deer. Secondly, I would 335 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: look for property that you can pick up right at 336 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: market value and slightly under a market value, obviously as 337 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: a home run, but make sure you do your homework, 338 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: find out what the comps and local local land is 339 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: selling for, and that mixed recreational ground, and that would 340 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: be timber and maybe some pasture, some tillable ground mixed in. 341 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: So number two good value at at the current market price, 342 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: and number three look at uh Sometimes. An often overlooked 343 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: aspect of timber that people don't know a lot about 344 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: is um the quality of the hardwood species that are 345 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: on the property. If you can find eighteen inch and 346 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: larger diameter trees in their specifically white oaks, red oaks, walnut, cherry, um, 347 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: sugar maple, the white oak market is extremely hot right now, 348 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: and anything above that is gonna that size range is 349 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: gonna return dividends that you could use the applying to 350 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: paying the property back off and also doing some great 351 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: habitat work in the process by opening up the canopy 352 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: and getting some good habitat work going on in there. 353 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the 354 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: properties that Tom currently has listed for sale, visit whitetail 355 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash James, that's j A. M. E. 356 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: S alright and joining us on the line. Next is 357 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: the content manager from Matthews, Derrick Nelson, now Derek in Wisconsin. 358 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: What would you say the buck activity is ben lately? 359 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: On a skill of one to ten, Um, I'd put 360 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: it right around a five right now. Um, you know, 361 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: I think we're definitely past the the peak here actually 362 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: seemed to kick off a little earlier than normal this year, 363 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: but um, starting to starting to chill back out now 364 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: and as gun season opened this last week, it's gonna 365 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: slow those slow that buck movement down a little bit 366 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: more even. But I put it right around right around 367 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: a five probably. Now are you basing that on a 368 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: lack of sightings or have you seen some bucks indas 369 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: breeding lately? Um, haven't seen bucks and nose breeding lately. Um. 370 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: I I killed I filled my archery tag up here 371 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: actually in the twelve and a couple of days after that, 372 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: had one of my good buddies, you know, have a 373 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: one of his one of his hit list bucks come 374 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: chasing does right past this tree. Actually just couldn't get 375 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: a shot off. But um, you know, it really seems 376 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: like a lot of the the does are starting to 377 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: bunch back up and deer focusing on on food pretty hard. 378 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: Um in this last week especially, Um. But you know 379 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: it's it's been one of those deals where you know, 380 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: we we had you know, Bucks Star Chase in the 381 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: last you know week in October, and it felt like 382 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: it was in full swing before Noe November even hit here. Um. 383 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: After talking to you know a lot of the guys 384 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: at the office and and you know what I had 385 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: been experiencing out there, um, and it just kind of 386 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: seems like, you know, by the you know, by the 387 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: fift or sixteenth or so kind of um, right in 388 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: that date ranges when it kind of started to chill 389 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: out and you know, it wasn't feeling like you know, 390 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: full slinging rut anymore as a bull hunter, Derek, how 391 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: does your strategy change once gun season opens and it's 392 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: underwigh in Wisconsin? Um, you know, gun season kind of 393 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: always marks the time where you know, I mean a 394 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: lot of your deer, you know, after they've kind of 395 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: come out to the point where you know, rust and 396 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: full swing and you're right counting on not being nocturnal anymore. 397 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: With the second that the the guns kinda they come 398 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: out in the um, the wood starts getting lit up. 399 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: It seems like they flip right back to being way 400 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: more cautious again. So, um, I know for a lot 401 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: of people, UM, you know, it becomes right to the 402 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: stage where you're thinking about food. Um. It seems like 403 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: right when gun season hits is kind of when our 404 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: attempts really start to drop off and deer start focusing 405 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: on food sources. The bulk up from winter. Um, you know, 406 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: we we don't yet, but I'm guessing we're gonna start 407 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: having some snow on the ground here soon and that'll 408 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: definitely kick that in the overdrive. But you know, a weeker, 409 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: just about a week and a half ago, I was 410 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: sitting out there and I had, you know, on a 411 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: on a bean field that had you know, thirty deer 412 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: feeding out there at four o'clock in the afternoon, you know, 413 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: a couple of hours before before dark, just filling up 414 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: with lots of bucks, you know, all out there at 415 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: the same time. A couple of them pretty mature here, 416 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: and they kind of didn't seem to care that there 417 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: was those out there, you know, other bucks. They were 418 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: just out there feeding the whole time. So Um, it 419 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: kind of becomes a lot about food sources. If you've 420 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: got food this time of year, you're still in good shape. 421 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: Will you continue hunting any mornings then or will you 422 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: switch the evenings about this time of the year. Um, 423 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: you know, I won't say that I wouldn't go out 424 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: in the morning. Definitely, evenings are are easier to hunt 425 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: at least for a lot of um the setups that 426 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: that I've got around here. Um, it's it's definitely gonna 427 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: be start, you know, definitely gonna start being about evenings primarily. Um, 428 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a couple of morning hunts here or there, 429 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: but you know, for for most purposes, evening hunts are 430 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: gonna be. Um what it's about from here on out 431 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: going forward. Then in this next week or so, Derek, 432 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: what do you think that bulk activity is going to 433 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: be in Wisconsin on the skill of one to ten, 434 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: I would expect to drop off even more. I think 435 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: probably going on from a you know five to a 436 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: four ish. Um, you know, I say, you're still gonna 437 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: see buck activity is just gonna be based around around 438 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: food and less around does um you know, sitting food 439 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: sources this time of years still really good as those 440 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: temperatures drop off, but also this this gun pressure could 441 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: could push a lot of that movement even later in 442 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: the evenings and stuff like that too, So I expect 443 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: to drop down to, you know, in the four range. 444 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: All right, Derek Will congrats on the great season you've 445 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: already had and good luck with what's left of it. 446 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: Thanks are joining me, Yeah, I appreciate it. Spencible all 447 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: right and joining me on the line. Last is Josh 448 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: McDaniel with Real Tree in Indiana. Now, Josh and Indiana, 449 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately 450 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. Uh, this last 451 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: few days, it's probably right up there again with with 452 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: as long as the weather is good, we're looking at 453 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: upon an eight or a nine right now. Well, Josh, 454 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: you just had a successful hunting. Why don't you tell 455 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: us a little bit about that setup in that buck? Uh? Yeah? 456 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: So I tagged out in Indiana on the morning of 457 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: nobert py uh again weather, it was amazing, very high 458 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: pressure morning, expected blue bird sky day. I expected a 459 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of activity that day, you know this time of year. 460 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: Um My, my focus is trying to catch these bucks. 461 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: Now they've been locked down pretty hard for the last 462 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, and now we're on the back 463 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: end of this rut and a lot of these uh 464 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: bucks are breaking loose and trying to find really g 465 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: under feet and covering from ground again. UM, so they're 466 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: trying to catch the back end here of some of 467 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: these big mature bucks. And that's exactly what happened uh 468 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: here in Indiana. UM. My wife wasn't able to go 469 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: that morning, so I went in sulf filled myself and 470 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: end up about about eight thirty UM had a two 471 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: and a half year old chased a doe by me, 472 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: and then in the buck parade began after that, and 473 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: I end up with UH. Since the first year on 474 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: this lease, I'm figuring this uh our number two hitlister. 475 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: He's a four and a half five and a half. 476 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure five and a half, but I just 477 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: don't have previous history to know for sure. UH five 478 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: and a half a buck we called double douce. He's 479 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: got mash, he's split G two's on both sides. He 480 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: uh come by within fifteen yards. Pretty chaotic, end up 481 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: getting the shot, got got it all on video, and 482 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there doing a hero and about fifteen minutes later, 483 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: look over and here comes number one hit lister of 484 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: the year. He comes in on the same hot dough. 485 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: He gets within oh, fifteen yards as well, and he 486 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: sees my buck laying there and ends up attacking. I 487 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: had to scream at him to get him to break loose, 488 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: But it was pretty crazy to get all the videos. 489 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things. But anyway, um, so 490 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: at that time of the year where it could almost 491 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: be like the pre rep stuff again, where you're starting 492 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: to see calling could be a little bit effective again, 493 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: bucks are starting to get um, they're still wanting to breed, 494 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of these does are about done. So 495 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: and exactly what happened that day number one and number 496 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: two hit listeners, which we've not seen, I've not seen 497 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: all year, um daylight we're gotting pictures of and I 498 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: had both of the fifteen yards um just like that. 499 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: So well, Josh, what's really cool about that story to 500 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: me is I just wrote an article about six months 501 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: ago where I talked to some white tail enthusiasts about 502 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: their favorite date to hunt the rut. And when I 503 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: talked to you, you told me it was like November 504 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: twenty four or something like that. And for most guys, 505 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: that's you know, a down time for them, and that's 506 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: when they would rather be at home than in a 507 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: try stand. And so tell me a little bit more 508 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: about this time of year, you know why you like it, 509 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: so mutching and go to a little more specifics about 510 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: your favorite setups as far as mornings looking for doughs, 511 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: looking for food, whatever it might be. Yeah, yeah, you know, 512 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: typically this time of year is tough just because it's 513 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: it's you're grinding at this point. You've been already been 514 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: hunting hard for all days since for you know, to 515 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: to three weeks now, so your focus is is, you know, 516 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty tough. That's why I stuffered a lot of guys. 517 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: It's not you're not seeing a ton of bucks as 518 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: much as you were, you know, the seven through the eleventh. 519 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: But this is the time of year. I feel like 520 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: that why it's my favorite, because this is when we 521 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: kill our biggest bucks, our oldest, more mature bucks, just 522 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: because like I explained there that you catch them on 523 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: the back side. Now they've you know, this one time 524 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: of the year they're gonna do this, so they're not 525 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: ready to give it up yet and they're trying to 526 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: find that last though, So now they're really getting out 527 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: of their area. Uh sometimes you can. And even this 528 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: time of year, I like because even if I've not 529 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: had a whole lot of big shooters, um, I try 530 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: to stay positive just because now is the time you'll 531 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: catch a big shooter from somebody else's uh neck of 532 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: the woods. They could travel up to you know, a 533 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: mile or two just searching for that last note, depending 534 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: on what you're obviously your bucketo ra SiO is. But 535 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: um so that's why this this time of years my favorite. 536 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: Usually I like to say three to four days before Thanksgiving, 537 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: in three to four days after my favorite, um my 538 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: favorite time for those great big your biggest most mature 539 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: dear in your your neck of the woods. Earlier, you 540 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: reference that the weather has been really good lately. What 541 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: are you looking for in weather conditions as far as cold, frants, rain, wind? Uh? Yeah, 542 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: this time of year, man, I'm I mean, it's you know, weather, 543 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: Trump's everything. I always say that, uh really, at least 544 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: at least here in Indiana. It just it makes all 545 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: the difference a lot of times. But this time of year, 546 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm really looking for a good high pressure morning, Um, 547 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: especially with my thermal's rise, and I love that you 548 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: can get away with a little bit more. But in 549 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: anything thirty thirty point two this time of year and 550 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: up and higher on the pressure scale, Absolutely love. Uh 551 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: like you know, any kind of goods you know, I 552 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: like especially like if we've had a couple two three 553 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: days of the south, a little warm weather, and then 554 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we get that first north or 555 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: vice versa, that we've got a few days of north 556 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: hold and all of a sudden that first warm day 557 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: after the front of the south. Um, those are all 558 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: good triggers. I like to uh, good frosty morning, good 559 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: hard frost with bluebird skies, UM, sunny day with you know, 560 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: optimal would be ten to fifteen our winds. I mean, 561 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: that's ideal for me this time of year. Obviously you 562 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: go all the time, Um, but those days you go 563 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: to your special spots that you've been dying to get 564 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: into that you can't really hunt but to three times 565 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: a year, That's what I'm looking for this time of 566 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: year for sure. Going forward, then it Thanks week or so, Josh, 567 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: what do you think the bucket TV is going to 568 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: be in Indiana on a skill of one to ten, 569 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: one to ten again. UM. As long as weather is good, um, 570 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: and it's looking like it's gonna be all right, I'm 571 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: gonna say nine again, nine to ten uh and nine 572 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: for sure uh ten at the weather's right, all right, Josh, Well, 573 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: great Intel, and thanks for joining me. All right, Thanks guys, 574 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: have a good one, and that concludes this week's episode 575 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: of Wired Haunts Wrought Radio. As always, we thank you 576 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: guys for listening, and we hope that you'll have a 577 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving. Hopefully this year you're thankful for a big buck. 578 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: We'd also like to thank our sponsors at Sitka, white 579 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Tail Properties, white Tail Institute on Tara Matthews, maven Yeddie 580 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: and Trophy Ridge. And good luck to everyone who's still 581 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: hard at it at the end of November.