1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Richard Saloma and I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 3: And it's all about also, you know what that job's 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: report is likely to do in the US should provide 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: us with just a snapshot of where the US economy is, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: which is of course vital for setting monetary policy. Getting 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: that data in a little under fourteen and a half hours, 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Michael McKee has a preview. 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 4: Barring a surprise, the payrolls report is forecast to show 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 4: a continuing slowdown in hiring during August. Well, this week's 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 4: Jolts report showed the number of openings remains elevated. Monthly 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 4: jobs creation has been trending lower. Companies aren't laying off workers, 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 4: but they are cutting back on hiring as they wait 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 4: to see whether recession forecasts come true. FED officials also 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 4: want to see if unemployment starts to rise. So far, 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 4: it's remained near historic lows, even given the rise in 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 4: interest rates. And of course, top of mind for everyone 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 4: will be average hourly earnings. Thursday's incomes report suggested wage 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: game means are finally cooling as demand for workers eases. 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 4: Michael McKee Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: We go to China next to where the government is 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: cutting down payments for home buyers and reducing mortgage rates. 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: The story from Bloomberg's Juan Wong in Hong Kong. 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 5: The nationwide minimum down payment will be twenty percent for 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 5: first time buyers and thirty percent for second time purchasers. 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 5: The mortgage rate cuts will be negotiated between banks and customers. 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 5: Both policies will go into effect on September twenty fifth. 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 5: This is China's latest attempt to curup the country's property crisis. 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 5: The announcements came as data showed China's two year property 31 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 5: slum worsened. This month's sales by the country's one hundred 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 5: largest developers dropped thirty four percent from a year earlier, 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 5: according to the China Real Estate Information Corporation. That was 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 5: the biggest drop in more than a year. In Hong Kong, 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 5: joined Wong Bloomberg Day Brigaisia. 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: And indeed staying with property and developers, a group of 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: Country Garden creditors are seeking to declare a default on 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: a Yuang bond. Let's get to this from Bloomberg's a 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: Bonnie Out who has more from Hong Kong. 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 6: Investors have proposed a note be declared in default because 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 6: of a recent downgrade. That's according to a filing to 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 6: the Shanghai Stock Exchange's privatest Closure platform. The investors say 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 6: that effectively hold ten and a half percent of a 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 6: yuan bond effectively due September fourth, but at least fifty 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 6: percent support is needed for each proposal being vaulted. Holders 46 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 6: of the yuan bond had until yesterday to fault on 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 6: the proposal to call it default. Moody's has downgraded a 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 6: country Garden three notches. As more pressure piles on the 49 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 6: distressed developer in Hong Kong. I'm Bonnie Olt Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. 50 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the China evergrahamd said it couldn't make payments for 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 3: investment products this once due to a liquidity crunch. Its 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: restructuring process has been in limber since it defaulted a 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: Well, US treasure Secretary of Janet Yellen is heading to India, 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: but China is also very much on her mind. The 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: story from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini. 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 7: Yellen will go to Delhi this second week in September 58 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 7: joining President Biden at the G twenty summit. This is 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 7: her fourth visit to India in less than a year. 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 7: She'll be meeting her Indian counterparts and seeking to strengthen 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 7: bilateral economic ties. The gathering will also offer another opportunity 62 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 7: to engage with Chinese officials at a time of mounting 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 7: concern over the potential ripple effect of China's economic slowdown 64 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 7: and financial strains among the property developers. President Biden says 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 7: he hopes China's President Chi Jimping shows up, but sources 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 7: tell Bloomberg that Chi Jimping will not be attending. Among 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 7: the other issues on the US agenda for New Delhi, 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 7: rallying support for Ukraine and for sanctions on Russia, and 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 7: also bolstering the resources of multilateral development banks. Denise Pellegrini, 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 7: Bloomberg day Break Asia. 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: We're hearing that All the Holdings is preparing to set 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: a price range for its us IPO before embarking on 73 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: an investor roadshow next week. The ship designer considering pricing 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: its shares on the thirteenth of September, and it wants 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: to begin trading the next day yes to promote the offering. 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: It's expected to come after the Labor Day holiday, and 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: we're told arm is aiming to raise between five and 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: seven billion dollars with this offering, and the valuation then 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: could end up in the range of between fifty and 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: sixty billion dollars. 81 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: Broadcom is one of the world's five largest semiconductor manufacturers, 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: and today the company gave a disappointing forecast for the 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: current quarter. Of the story from Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 84 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: It signals that demand for electronic components remains sluggish. Broadcom 85 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: said revenue will be about nine point twenty seven billion 86 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: dollars in the fiscal fourth quarter. That compares with an 87 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: average Wall Street estimate of nine point twenty eight billion dollars, 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: with some analysts predicting as much as nine point eight billion. 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: The outlook shows that Broadcom is mired in a broad 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: spending slowdown, even as the artificial intelligence boom fuels demand 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: and pockets of the industry in New York. Charlie Pellett 92 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Boomberg Daybreak Asia. 93 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: So the employment report for August due tomorrow morning, eight 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: thirty am Walls Street Time. We told you about that 95 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: a moment ago. Word today that US small businesses reported 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: fewer unfilled positions in the month of August. This is 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: data from the National Federation of Independent Business. It shows 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: unfilled positions are now at their lowest level since February 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and the NFIB also reported fewer small 100 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: business owners raising worker compensation well at the same time today, 101 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: job cuts, that's the survey from Challenger Gray in Christmas. 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: Overall cuts totaled more than seventy five thousand in the 103 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: month of August, obviously a number amplified by the bankruptcy 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: of Yellow Corporation. That August Employment data due tomorrow and today. 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: A survey from twenty two v Research finds sixty percent 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: of investors are expecting a softer than estimated number on 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: job growth. Let's get to Global News next. Former President 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump pleads not guilty in Georgia. Dan Schwartzman is here, Danny. 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 8: Doug, get your popcorn ready, because this is going to 110 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 8: be something to behold. Trump has waived his right to 111 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 8: an in person arraignment, sparing him from having to appear 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 8: in court on September sixth, and that would have been 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 8: broadcast live. Trump led not guilty to state charges he 114 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 8: conspired to overturn the twenty twenty presidential election results. Excuse me. 115 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 8: The seventy seven year old is one of nineteen defendants 116 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 8: indicted by Fulton County da Fani Willis if participating in 117 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 8: a quote criminal enterprise to keep Trump as president. Meanwhile, 118 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 8: the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that the Fulton County judge 119 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 8: has said that Trump court proceedings will in fact be televised. 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 8: China and the US acknowledging that military officials from the 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 8: two countries met earlier this month at a defense chiefs 122 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 8: conference in Fiji. Admiral John Aquilino, the head of the 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 8: US Indo Pacific Command, in General Shu Sheiling, the deputy 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 8: Joint Chief of Staff of the People's Liberation Army, held 125 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 8: a meeting for what's believed to be the first time 126 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 8: since August of twenty twenty two. China had suspended military 127 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 8: ties with the US after then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi 128 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 8: visited Taiwan. Relations were then even more strained after the 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 8: U s shotdown in a ledged Chinese spy balloon that 130 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 8: flew over the country. That was back in February. Former 131 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 8: House Speaker in Nancy Pelosi and has sit down with 132 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 8: Bloomberg's Francine Lacoi and Venice Italy. Says, despite differences, we 133 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 8: do have to work with China. 134 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 9: We don't have shared values, but we have a shared 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 9: planet and we have to work with the Chinese to 136 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 9: save the planet because they're now I think the biggest emitter, 137 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 9: if not us, their second, and they're part of the 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 9: solution in all of this. 139 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 8: You can see that full interview on Leaders with Lacroix, 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 8: airing at nine thirty pm New York time on September 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 8: twenty seventh in the States, then at six thirty pm 142 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 8: London time the next day. President Biden says he'll visit 143 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 8: Hurricane to dally a ravaged Florida on Saturday. The Category 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 8: three storm flooded towns across the state, leaving hundreds of 145 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 8: thousands without power. Biden has been criticized for a seemingly 146 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 8: slow response to the wildfire and maw we earlier this month. 147 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 8: Biden says he has spoken with Governor Ron De Santis 148 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 8: three times today to assure him that the federal government 149 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 8: would continue to provide all necessary resources to help the 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 8: state recover in Florida. DeSantis gives an update on power 151 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 8: outages across the state. 152 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 10: As of six am today, there are approximately one hundred 153 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 10: and forty six thousand power outages reported across the state, 154 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 10: but power is being restored quickly. Thus far, four hundred 155 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 10: and twenty thousand accounts that lost power during the storm 156 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 10: have been restored. 157 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 8: Biden will be in Florida Saturday to tour areas hit 158 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 8: hard by Hurricane Nadalia. Global News twenty five hours a 159 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 8: day power by more than twenty seven hundred journalists and 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 8: analysts in more than one hundred and twenty countries. I'm 161 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 8: Dan Schwartzman. This is Bloomberg. 162 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: Let's get to our guest. Liz Anne Saunders is with us. 163 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: She is managing director, also the chief investment strategistic Charles 164 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: Schwab and Lizen is in Boston, Massachusetts. Lazan, thanks for 165 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: being with us. I'm curious to get your take right 166 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: out of the gate on how you see the economy 167 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: in the States right now and where the FED is 168 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: in all of that mix. 169 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 11: Sure, and thanks for having me. We've had the view 170 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 11: that this has been a rolling recession or a series 171 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 11: of rolling recessions at the sectoral level, meeting segments of 172 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 11: the economy for more than a year and a half 173 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 11: right now, and I think that's the best way to 174 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,359 Speaker 11: think about this very unique cycle where we've had recessions 175 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 11: in areas of housing, housing related, a lot of consumer 176 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 11: oriented goods, manufacturing, we just had the later offsetting strength 177 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 11: on the services side and in turn the labor market. 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 11: And I think from the FEDS perspective, part of the 179 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 11: reason why they're focusing on inflation metrics at a more 180 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 11: granular level like core services x housing is they want 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 11: to get to the heart of where inflation has been 182 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 11: most sticky, and that's where it accelerated later. So I 183 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 11: think the simplicity around recession versus no recession, and in 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 11: turn what the Fed's reaction function misses the nuances that 185 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 11: make this cycle unlike any other. 186 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: So tell me here as well, then you know when 187 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: you look here at what happened, Liz with the design 188 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 3: with the PCE number, what did you make of it? It 189 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: was pretty much in line. But again it's not gone up. 190 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 11: It is it was in line, and it's PCE is 191 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 11: often in line because although the weights are different, the 192 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 11: components of PCE you have already via CPI and PPI. 193 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 11: So economists don't tend to be all that far off, 194 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 11: at least on the main headline and core numbers. Where 195 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 11: there was a bit of an upside surprise today was 196 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 11: in that core services x housing and interestingly, the biggest 197 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 11: component of that outsize jump up was portfolio management fees, 198 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 11: and that has been driven by the stronger performance by 199 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 11: the stock market. So that can obviously ebb and flow. 200 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 11: But given that that Powell has stressed the desire to 201 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 11: go to two percent, that two months trend does make 202 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 11: a longer term trend. They're not there yet on inflation, 203 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 11: and it's part of the reason why there's so much 204 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 11: focus on tomorrow's jobs report. Today's action and the market 205 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 11: was very churn like, and I think that reflects the 206 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 11: uncertainty with regard to tomorrow. 207 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: So you were talking earlier about the notion of a 208 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: rolling recession. Maybe we have seen a few, one possibly 209 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: in manufacturing, another that was in the housing market, at 210 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: least temporarily. But one of the things that's really surprising 211 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: is how well the consumer is holding up. I was 212 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: struck by the consumer spending number today again in July 213 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: of six tens of one percent. Haven't seen that since 214 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year. Where is the American consumer 215 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: right now? 216 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 11: In your view, so they've been in relatively healthy position 217 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 11: given what had been some of the excess associated with 218 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 11: this stimulus. Admittedly though that has really wound itself down, 219 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 11: and given what you're seeing in terms of increased credit 220 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 11: card usage and now delinquencies starting to kick in, and 221 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 11: it wouldn't surprise me to start to see a bit 222 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 11: of a faltering. When you saw the personal income and 223 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 11: spending numbers today, the spending side was significantly higher than 224 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 11: the income side, hence the now lower saving trade. I 225 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 11: think what has been most closely tied to the resilience 226 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 11: of the consumer has been less about wages, less about confidence, 227 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 11: but more about the labor market. And I think if 228 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 11: we start to see more than just the cracks we've 229 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 11: begun to see in the labor market, that probably puts 230 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 11: a quicker dent in the consumption side of the economy, 231 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 11: especially with student loan forgiveness starting to wane here. So 232 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 11: in addition, a lot of the consumption data retail sales 233 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 11: is expressed in nominal terms, not in real terms, So 234 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 11: I think important in this environment is to look at 235 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 11: what's happening in terms of unit sales as opposed to 236 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 11: dollar sales in nominal terms, which in many cases is 237 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 11: sort of looks high because inflation and prices have been high. 238 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: Now when you then look at all of the what 239 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 3: you've just talked about here, you know, then you look 240 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: at what's going on in the bond market, and it's 241 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: bifurcated in the sense that we've got hedge funds as 242 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 3: still shorting treasuries in large part, and asset managers off 243 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, locking in that yield and buying what 244 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: side of the equation would you be on. 245 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's often said that the bond market 246 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 11: tends to have a more rational perspective. I think maybe 247 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 11: one of the ways to think about why the bond 248 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 11: market and the equity market maybe aren't sending the same 249 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 11: message is I think the bond market tends to live 250 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 11: in the and if we were on camera, i'd have 251 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 11: air quotes around the word the real world, meaning you know, 252 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 11: x inflation. But I think the equity market tends to 253 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 11: live in the nominal world. And I think that's where 254 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 11: there's a bit of a disconnect, because the nominal data 255 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 11: still looks fairly decent. It's the real data that is 256 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 11: a bit more questionable, and we haven't seen it yet 257 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 11: in terms of a blowout in credit spreads. But I 258 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 11: think at some point the equity market is going to 259 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 11: heed the message from the bond market so. 260 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: Very quickly twenty seconds or so. Would you be expecting 261 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: a significant move lower in stocks between now, let's say, 262 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: in the end of the year. 263 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 11: Yes and no. You know, I don't try to forecast 264 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 11: short term moves in the market. I think we're right 265 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 11: now in a bad news is good news for the 266 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 11: equity market. That doesn't last in portuity. In perpetuity, I 267 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 11: think if the news continues to be bad at some point, 268 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 11: that has a negative impact on equities. 269 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg day Break Asia. 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