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Speaker 1: From the RAMS Studio connected by AT and T. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Between the Horns and is February seventeenth. I am

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Speaker 1: Miles Simmons. I am with DeMarco Far and de Far.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while. It's in the studio. Is it

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Speaker 1: wrong to wear the hat? The people on would make

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Speaker 1: me a mark a homer if I wear the hat,

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Speaker 1: you are a mark. You're in a RAMS studio. I mean,

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Speaker 1: well you're not a mark. Well you're a Homer because

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Speaker 1: we're in the RAMS studio connected by AT and T.

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Speaker 1: So I like, there's the second mention of the RAMS

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Speaker 1: studio connected by AT and T, and there's the third.

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Speaker 1: We love you AT and T. So what if you

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Speaker 1: know it's been a while, that's been What have you

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Speaker 1: been up to since the end of the season. Baby duty,

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Speaker 1: baby duty? Baby duty? Yeah? Home with the kids? Like

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Speaker 1: baby duty or baby duty? What like duty duty? Like

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Speaker 1: it's a poop Jody, Yes that yes, Um, I have

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Speaker 1: I have one under two and a sixteen year old, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so just all dad duty. Enjoy We're we've been exploring

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Speaker 1: southern California. Cool. It's been great. Yeah, yeah, um thinkuring

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Speaker 1: about football, watching this whole thing. Go down and you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to I guess, exercise what happened in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and sixteen and and liven up my excitement for two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen. I at the same time, I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's a good way. Yes, right, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean we're at a point now where the whole RAMS

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Speaker 1: staff has been hired, and you know, we've got Sean mcfah,

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Speaker 1: we've got Matt Lafleur, the offensive coordinator now coming over

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Speaker 1: from the Atlanta Falcons, Wade Phillips, John Fossil also staying

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Speaker 1: on special teams. Those are your coordinators. And I think

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Speaker 1: this is unfair. What didn't you write about these guys? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like this is all you do, right, Yeah, it's part

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Speaker 1: of my job. You know more about them than I do. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't like that. What come on, I'm kidding, like,

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Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna sit You're gonna sit here and

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Speaker 1: act like you don't know what you're talking. I've read

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Speaker 1: all your stuff. I'm like, Wow, he knows that, he

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Speaker 1: knows that, he knows that I learned all my stuff

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Speaker 1: about these guys from you. Thank you pretty far. And

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Speaker 1: if you are interested in learning more about these guys

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Speaker 1: check out are the staff profiles on the rams dot com.

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Speaker 1: But really, I mean, even if it wasn't you, I

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Speaker 1: get excited because I am reading your stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: mean just listening to these are reading these guys and

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Speaker 1: their resumes and who they've worked for, it makes me

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Speaker 1: excited about what what the offense possibly look like coming

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Speaker 1: off a twenty sixteen where you knew week one it

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Speaker 1: was going to look the same in week seventeen, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, it wasn't going to change much. Sure,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of creativity, So that does

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Speaker 1: inspire some confidence. You know, what I think about is,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to make this seem too big,

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Speaker 1: but think about the Dolphins. You know last year, right

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Speaker 1: the Adam gayse Hire great Hire. Obviously they go to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and they lose the Steelers, but they made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I think that's significant in the first

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Speaker 1: about is how it took a little bit of time

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Speaker 1: for Adam Gaysee's offense and that whole system and things

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Speaker 1: was going. Oh absolutely, And if they have Yan Tannehill

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Speaker 1: I think, wow, um, Ryan Tannehill came here to LA

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Speaker 1: he got hot and they won the game. Um, if

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Speaker 1: But it's not just that, Okay, But I think my

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Speaker 1: But you know it's coming from one guy who has

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Speaker 1: And I think the one thing you can you can

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Speaker 1: guys they've learned their offense from Shanahan, John Gruden, they

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Speaker 1: have their stamps all on this coaching staff, and those

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Speaker 1: So I think what you changed is you have teachers

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't help but be excited about that. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a good joke. I like that. That was very good, Joe.

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Speaker 1: sorry everyone, I have to do that again, and I

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Speaker 1: really love it all. But um no, So you have

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Speaker 1: and Mark Trustman was the off some guru blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: you know Chef Ramsey is, Yeah, helps people that show.

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Speaker 1: Really that guy can he can string together some obscenities.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I feel like if I am,

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Speaker 1: if you're cooking stuff like why well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: isn't there going to be like a Hell's Kitchen Junior

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's the actor from Full Metal Jacket.

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Speaker 1: He played the drill sergeant. Okay, how he got the

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Speaker 1: fifteen straight minutes shouting obscenities, and he never repeated himself once. Wow,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Chef Ramsey, going back to that, he took

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Speaker 1: when you have that sort of creativity on offense, hopefully

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Speaker 1: out to score more points, score more than seventeen points

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Speaker 1: three four? Not what I read some of the people

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Speaker 1: I talked to. Okay, Yeah, I feel a lot better. Um, Look,

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Speaker 1: the way the NFL is now, it's an all passing league.

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Speaker 1: So um, it's just a philosophy and the way you

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Speaker 1: do best. Yes, So Rob Quinn I would I would

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Speaker 1: Bet is going to rush the passer all the time. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which makes me do this? Yeah? Now imagine, yes, imagine

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Speaker 1: Arizona with Dame Buchanan. Yeah, there's ways to get smaller

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Um, the way the Rams sit right now

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Speaker 1: But who did you talk to and why did that

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Speaker 1: know him? Feel better? I talk to people, man, I know. No,

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Speaker 1: down by multiple touchdowns, and I think that's part of

423
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: the nature of things. Well, even if you just remove

424
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: the scorer, yeah, and just go play by play, we're

425
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna run this play versus that. Look that coverage, Right,

426
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: you got to know where to go with the football

427
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: in every situation. Now, it's not going to be enough

428
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: to pull you back in a game where you're down

429
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: by thirty, but advancing the football is always a plush.

430
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: So you have to get better there, and and just

431
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: remember he's he's a rookie, right, Yeah, you didn't expect

432
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: to finish product day one. You shouldn't have, no, right,

433
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: So those things are going to have to get better.

434
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: So those things will help you start to win games

435
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: and score more points. Well, one of the something that's

436
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: come out is that Jared Goff has hired some guys

437
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: that have worked with quarterback you know, private quarterback instructor,

438
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: Adam Devote and Tom House and so apparently Matt Ryan

439
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: has also gone down that route before he's worked with

440
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: those guys. And then what Matt Lafleur was saying the

441
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: other day is that he really could tell sort of

442
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: the difference in the things that Matt Ryan was be

443
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: able to do there at the end of the season.

444
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: So his upper body strength was really good, his arm

445
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: strength was, Matt Lafleur said, was really the same as

446
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: it was early on in the season as a Super Bowl.

447
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: So if that's what Jared Goff is doing, then I

448
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: think that's a good sign of things to come for him.

449
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's like having a personal doctor. Man, he's only

450
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: looking up for you, right, not in a team setting.

451
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's that's good. I mean for all

452
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: the people that say this is a bad thing. Okay,

453
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: would you rather have a guy that's paying people to

454
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: get better at quarterback? Or Johnny Manziel who's on a

455
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: boat right now? Hammered. I mean, I'm not saying I'm

456
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: not saying Johnny Manzel, you know what, except this is weird.

457
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: I like follow Johnny Manziel on Instagram and on Snapchat

458
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: because I think he's a fascinating person. Okay, so he's

459
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: been like training allegedly to try to come back into

460
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, that bank accounts getting thin well probably yes,

461
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: better getting back in the league. But no, I mean,

462
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: would you rather have that or a guy who's at

463
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: partying right No? Yeah, you're right who says I'm already here.

464
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't need to work on insuring I love that.

465
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: That's good as long as what they're teaching doesn't interfere

466
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: with what Leaflora is teaching, Yeah, then you're fine, And

467
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: I doubt that's ever gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah, so that's

468
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: a good thing. That's a positive. So you know, this,

469
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: I think is one of the difficulties of kind of

470
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: the the CBA now and the CBA is obviously there

471
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: to help protect players and do all that, but because

472
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: guys can't receive any coaching from the new staff until April,

473
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: once your off season program really begins, you're in a

474
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: situation now where you're Jared Goffing. You're a little bit

475
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: up a creek without a paddle if you want to

476
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: really start to know the intricacies of the offense and

477
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: things that are going to be taught to you, because

478
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: even if you wanted to, you can't talk football with

479
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: the coaching staff yet. True, you can't talk X and

480
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: you can't talk anything right right, I mean you can

481
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: have like friendly you can say Hi, how you doing?

482
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fun to work with. Where do

483
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: you get your training? You gotta go basically to the

484
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: private instructor. You're gonna have to see it out or

485
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: you can sit back and wait, which is not gonna

486
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, how is that helping you get better? I

487
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: bet they're all pros. Didn't Tom Brady said he's going

488
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 1: right back to work. Tom Brady went right back to

489
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: the gym two days after he won the Super Sounds

490
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: like Karon Donald, that's what you're competing with, right, Yeah,

491
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: there is no month off anymore, There is no two

492
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: months off. We better get to work now. Yeah, yeah,

493
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're seeing. So yeah, I

494
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: think there are some encouraging aspects here to the Jared

495
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: Goff you know issue, if you want to call yeah,

496
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean the uncertainty of last season

497
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: going in from two fifteen into two thousand and sixteen.

498
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the biggest question mark was of

499
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: the team? Yeah? Who is going to play quarterback? Well,

500
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: sort of that, where is the team going to be located?

501
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: What's case? Can't you gonna look like? Oh, regardless of

502
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: who you drafted, Remember how he shares two fifteen. Yeah,

503
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: he'd earned the right to at least compete for the

504
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: starting job in two thousand and sixteen, So we were

505
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: kind of waiting to see how that was going to

506
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: look right, And you know, even I remember this is

507
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: before the trade came up for the Rams going up

508
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: to number one, But at the combine, less Need was

509
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: talking about how Sean Manyon is probably some we're training trump,

510
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: trying his best to become a starting caliber quarterback in

511
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: this league, and you know, hey, what who's to say

512
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: he's not doing that right now too, because you know,

513
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: eventually his contracts gonna come up and he's gonna maybe

514
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: try to go somewhere else or whatever. But um, I

515
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: think that was my point. I don't remember what you

516
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: were saying. I'm sorry, there are no go backs. I'm

517
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: all fifteen years from now. This is funny we're still

518
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: doing between the horns, you and I. Yeah, I'll be

519
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: old older than you already are you know, I will

520
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: punch you horrible. I don't want to get fun I

521
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: would bet someday you might be talking about Sean Mannion

522
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator, possibly a coaching candidate. Yeah. I

523
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: mean those guys, that's that's the career path they're on.

524
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 1: It seems like, yes, yeah, where's there somewhere you were

525
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: going with it? Do you remember what the biggest question No,

526
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: it just was just the biggest question mark going in

527
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: was how good can case Keenum? Actually can you win

528
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: with case Keenum? Yes? And you had to actually start

529
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: playing the season to figure that out. Yeah. Right, this

530
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: year it's going to be completely different. This is Jared

531
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Goff's era. Yes' Jared shout guy, he's not looking over

532
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: his shoulder. Yeah, you're not holding your breath waiting to

533
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: see he's the guy, or looking over somebody else's should right, Yeah,

534
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: it's it's sink or swim with Goffs. So I think

535
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: at least that everybody from the head coach all down

536
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: all the way down to the long snapper, not to

537
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: devalue the long snapper, and everybody knows who their quarterback's

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: going to be. Yeah, and I think that's very important.

539
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: The other thing that has come up here is, you

540
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: know the value of being able to have a young

541
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: quarterback with the young offensive line making sure they grow together.

542
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: This is this kind of mantra that Sean McVeigh has

543
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: brought up, is we not me? So he's really trying

544
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: to make everything a collective. You know, everything is about chemistry.

545
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: How do you do well with your teammates? It's not

546
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: just about you? And I think because you've got this

547
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: young offensive line and then somebody who has done well

548
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: with figuring out where to place guys on the offense

549
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: line and then coaching them up in Aaron Crummer, this

550
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be an interesting dynamic is to see how

551
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: the young offensive line can grow in tandem with Jared goff.

552
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I can't wait until I love watching Aaron Rodgers play

553
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: now this is this is way down. I love Aaron

554
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Tom Brady after mistakes, buy an alignment or

555
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: a receiver. That's to me is fun because they don't

556
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: waste a second going after that guy, either with a

557
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: look or either verbally. They're going after that guy. So

558
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: last year there were some things that maybe Goff could

559
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: have said to get everybody back on point. Well, he's

560
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: swimming himself, right, He's just trying to get through this play,

561
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: this series with all this new stuff going in. But

562
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: when he starts to get that offense under his belt

563
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: and it becomes second nature where he can actually coach

564
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: the entire offense on the field by himself, I think

565
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: that's when you start to see that those guys start

566
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: to gel. But yeah, as long as you're getting better

567
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: on the edges, now that could be a position change

568
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: or a personnel change at left tackle, right tackle. As

569
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: long as you're protected off the edges, I think Goff

570
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: has a chance to be really really good. Yeah. I

571
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: think so too, or any quarterback has a chance to

572
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: be right right. Yeah, Yeah, it's hard, right, yeah, And

573
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: that's that's something you know, we may see with free

574
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: agency with the draft coming up. Obviously the Rams don't

575
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: have a first round pick, but are some substantial cap space,

576
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna have to also make some decisions

577
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: as well with guys like a Truemain Johnson, like a TJ. McDonald.

578
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I think those are probably the biggest to name free

579
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: agents that the Rams have, but they're also you know,

580
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: some good role player guys like you're Binny Cunningham's that

581
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: is going to be a free agent too. Who would

582
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: you sign if you if you had your choice between

583
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: true and TJ. I know that's rough, and but that's

584
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: the reality both is that not? Is that not a

585
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: good answer? But I but I just feel like right answer.

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: But if I know, yeah, if you only had one,

587
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: I like TJ. I do, and I like Tremaine Johnson.

588
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: I just I think you can make a safety faster

589
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: than you can make a corner. I think you're right

590
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I think I would go for the

591
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: corner the position first, not the guy the position first. Yeah,

592
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: and then I think I can make one here at safety.

593
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard because you don't want to go

594
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: and do another situation where you're losing half of your

595
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: secondary starters again run And I'm saying because that's what

596
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: happened after the twenty fifteen season. Genors Jenkins goes elsewhere,

597
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: as does Rodney McCloud. So I don't I think the

598
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Rams would like to avoid that if possible. And so

599
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: would you like to resign somebody who like a True Johnson,

600
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: who has shown that, you know, if he's on the island,

601
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: he can compete out there? Yeah, because you can't. And

602
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: he's a big body guy. You know, he's six foot three.

603
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: Those don't just grow on trees, especially without a first

604
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: round pick this year, right, And would you like to

605
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: resign somebody like a T. J. McDonald who has shown

606
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: that he can be a real thumper in the run

607
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: game and really good things there. Yeah, I know you would.

608
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Of course. I hate the business of football when you

609
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: got to make choices between those two guys. I want

610
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: the first answer you gave me is the right one.

611
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: I want them both back. But if I only had

612
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: to pick one, I'm going for the corner. Yeah. That's

613
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: a shame because I just lost a good player, right Yeah,

614
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: And so yeah, this is the sort of realities of

615
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the business of football. But you also have this other

616
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: side or free agency, where you can bring in some

617
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: players who have excelled and can really help you. And

618
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: that probably more or less on the offensive side, right,

619
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: And I was another corner. Oh well yeah, you can

620
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: be honest. Yeah, some good corners out there, big one

621
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: corners out there. Yeah, I can play. Yeah. Yeah. And

622
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: so you'll need that obviously in Wade Phillips scheme. And

623
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: you know something that he has continually said is doesn't

624
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: take me long to get defense going. And he says

625
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: that because it says, you know, it better not take

626
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: you very long, because it's the National Football League. You

627
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: don't have that much time. You better do it quick.

628
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: About Denver's defense, right, if you had to describe their defense,

629
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: what position would you talk about? First? Von Miller and

630
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: pass rusher? And then I guess the key to lead

631
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: probably the corners next. Yeah. Right, It all goes hand

632
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: in hand. So you've got the edge rushers here, or

633
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: at least you got one interior one that can rush

634
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: from anywhere. And Quinn, yes, you need good corners too,

635
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Yes you do. Absolutely. So here's something else I want

636
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: to get into a little bit. And we were talking

637
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: about this before the show started, Um, Tarrell Owens, do

638
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: you not make the Hall of Fame? Yeah? And by

639
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: the way, but Ahead, I know it was a terrible segway.

640
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: But that's okay, that's fine. I'm just messing with you. Ahead,

641
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: it's whatever. I mean. Well, I'm sorry eto was once

642
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Well there's once a man who was a free agent

643
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: and signed with another team and his name is Tarlways,

644
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: the number two overall wide receiver in terms of receiving

645
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: the face. But go ahead, anyway, I'm just you slash

646
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: like a hammer. Whatever. I just want to talk about

647
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: this with you because I think you bring a different

648
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: perspective to it because for me sitting here today, and

649
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not a Hall of Fame voter, but I

650
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a shame that, you know, you

651
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: have somebody in trell Owens who is literally I mean,

652
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: there's only one person who has more receiving yards in

653
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL than this guy, and he's

654
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: now had to wait two years to go in the

655
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Okay, you've been around football players a lot. Okay,

656
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: we only see them play one day a week. Yeah,

657
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: we see them practice more than we play, right, correct,

658
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot more than what happens on game day

659
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: sure to be a Hall of Famer. It's not just

660
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: about numbers. We all know this, and the guys that

661
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: are making these votes, that are voting, they know a

662
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: lot about the players all They talk to their coaches

663
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: and their teammates. So if there's any sort of character

664
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: issue that might keep a guy like t O out,

665
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: I would say it's probably true. There's part of you

666
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: that has to respect the process and respect the hall

667
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: right now. You can't act like it doesn't matter to

668
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: you while you're playing, and you can't act like it

669
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to you when you're out, because it matters

670
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: to the guys that vote, sure, and it matters to

671
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are still waiting to get

672
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: in fifteen years trying to get into the Hall of

673
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: Fame's it's hallowed ground. You should respect it. It could

674
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: help you. I'm just saying, well, I so, and this

675
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: is my thing. You know, I think once this this

676
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: vote happens and he doesn't even make it to the finalist,

677
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: man like number two receivers of all times, just numbers,

678
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I know, and I can't understand and respect that. It's

679
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: not just numbers. But because if it's if it's just

680
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: about numbers, you're going to run into a big problem

681
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: ten years from now. This is an all passing league. Well, yes, yeah,

682
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna wind up. You're gonna wind up saying Okay,

683
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: well that guy has to be in because of his numbers. Yeah,

684
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: and he's not half the player that the other guys are. Right,

685
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: it's not just numbers. I don't think it is just numbers.

686
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: But I think even you know, if you want to say, oh,

687
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: teams couldn't wait to get rid of him. And there

688
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: was actually a good Pro Football Talk post from Mike

689
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: Florio that kind of dismantled that narrative. Um, I think

690
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: when you see what he was able to do at

691
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: different stops, not just San Francisco, but you know, you

692
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: you look at what you did with the Eagles. Yeah,

693
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: with the Eagles, he was a terrific receiver there, you know,

694
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: all coming off a broken leg. Nine receptions for one right, Yeah,

695
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Yeah, nine receptions on the twenty

696
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: two yards against the Patriots, who are known for taking

697
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: away your best weapon. They couldn't do it that day

698
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: with him. So again, does he have the rings. No,

699
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: does you know do numbers or numbers everything? No, But

700
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about somebody who was able

701
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: to do what he was able to do in this league,

702
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: he belongs in the Hall of Fame and will get in.

703
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: But he belongs in there today. He will get in,

704
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: right of course, he will get in. It will probably

705
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: get in next year because I think people will get

706
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: over themselves because after everything that's happened this year. But

707
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I just again, I just I just kind of think

708
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: it's a shame that he's not in yet. I think

709
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: there's some other cases to be made for other guys

710
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: that could be called shames. This you earned, Okay, if

711
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: you're tarre Owns, you definitely earned. Okay, the waiting, you're

712
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna be it. You're gonna be a Hall of all right. Yeah.

713
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: The guys I played against um one of the best

714
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: out there period, Yeah, no doubt. And I'm not talking

715
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: like Randy Moss was the best offensive threat you've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah,

716
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: And he's gonna get in next year. He's gonna get in.

717
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: You didn't have a guy or two guys that could

718
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: cover Randy Moss. It's just impossible. That's why. You know,

719
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: like when I was growing up, you know, you make

720
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: and can catch on the playground and you're like most right, yeah, um,

721
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: but on run plays. I mean, I wouldn't say he

722
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: was indifferent. That's just not his forte. You never lost

723
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: TiO on the field runner pass. You gotta watch your ass. Yeah.

724
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: So he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.

725
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: But the whole I love me some me look at

726
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: me stuff. I mean that turned people off then, And

727
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: it's the same guys that are actually voting for you

728
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: now right going into the hall. But at the end

729
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: of the day, I mean, isn't the NFL and entertainment business. Yeah,

730
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: but it was that I was laughing. I maybe it's

731
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's me being a millennial. Then what me?

732
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: I like being entertained by that kind of stuff like

733
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: the popcorn and the thought that the pom Poms, the

734
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: cheerleaders that you know, throwing your teammates under the bus.

735
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: I didn't, okay, fair, that's stuff you can't do. Yeah, right,

736
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. But t O is

737
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. We all know this. Yeah, still

738
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: get in. Yeah, And I think you know, we were

739
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: also looking at some of these numbers um before the show,

740
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: but before the show started discussing this, I'm still in

741
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: my soapbox. Go ahead. A shame would be that Isaac

742
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Bruce is still waiting to get in. Yeah, and he's

743
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: the greatest. Another guy that I was just about to

744
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: bring up, because you know, we brought up We brought

745
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: up Randy Moss and In Trella ones In and Isaac

746
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Bruce here too. I mean, these guys all have over

747
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand yards receiving. The only person aside from those

748
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: three is more yards receiving is Jerry Rice, and he's

749
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand, eight hundred and ninety five. I looked

750
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: at that stat and I was like, holy cow, stupid.

751
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. I'll tell you my Rice story. No, okay,

752
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: played against Jerry Rice twice a year for seven straight years. Yes,

753
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: the first time I actually touched him was on The

754
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Best Damn Sports Show when as a guest, isn't that

755
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: funny because you can't catch up because you can't tackle him,

756
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: because that's just how good he was he I stuck

757
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: my hand out and he shook my hand, and I said,

758
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: this is the closest I've ever been to you. Oh

759
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. No, but you're right. I mean the point

760
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: you bring up about Isaac Bruce I think is correct,

761
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: because that's again, if there are only three more people

762
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL, yeah, who have caught more,

763
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: who have had more regards receiving than you. He deserves

764
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: to be in line. And there's a guy who's done

765
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: it right. He did it right. He was a great teammate, sure,

766
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: great teammate, and he's got a ring. Yeah that's a shame. Yeah, yeah, Pokemon.

767
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: It's different if he would have been if he would

768
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: have if Isaac would have done just a quarter of

769
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: what TiO did as a player, call attention to himself

770
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: and being already you think so, I'd no doubt in

771
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: my mind. Why can you remember one sound bite from

772
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce? Well, I'm a little young, but no, you

773
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: can remember all the ts, right, right, I guess that's true.

774
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I do remember Tay, I remember all that. You will remember.

775
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: It stays in your in your brain. The guys that

776
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: do it right sometimes you forget. That's interesting and that

777
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: you're right. I think that is a shame. All right,

778
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: So let's talk about something else, and this is going

779
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: to be another kind of probably a bad segue, but

780
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: oh well, that's just the way it's going to be,

781
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: all right. So we're getting over the course. I know

782
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: it's a podcast. There are no there are no commercial breaks,

783
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: is what we do. Right. So the pre draft process

784
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: is coming up. You know, we've got the NFL Combine

785
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: coming up and things like that. I just what do

786
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: you remember about going through all these different things before

787
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: you signed them, Like leaving college to my last game

788
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: as college football player. We were on probation, so was

789
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: our rival game, and that was it. We had been

790
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: to three straight Rose Bowls, four straight bowl games, three

791
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: straight Rose Bowls. But this year, my senior year, we

792
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: weren't going anywhere. Right now, this is at the University

793
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: of Washington for folks just don't know. Um, but that

794
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: time you leave college until like right now is the

795
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: craziest time of your life because you're preparing for the combine.

796
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: You're preparing for your best athletic day. Yeah, to run fast,

797
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: be as strong, to be as mentally sharp as you

798
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: can be, and you're putting everything into a workout. It's

799
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: really really, really really difficult. But just being around all

800
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: those guys like, it's funny. When I was in line

801
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: with all the D linemen, we were getting weigh and measured, right, Yeah, me,

802
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: it's one two sixty eight as a defensive tackle and

803
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: it says DT on my shirt. Uh. The guy in

804
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: front of me was Willia McGinnis. Oh no way right, yeah, yeah,

805
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, six six two fifty. He looks like a

806
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Greek guy. And I'm like, gosh, you're gonna have to

807
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: believe that, right, I'm not going to pass the look

808
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: text of this guy. Let me get out there in

809
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the forty pit and I think he rans uthing like

810
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: a four or five. I'm like, why is that's not fair?

811
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, just all that stuff. Yeah, it's it's it's rough.

812
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an evaluation period. Um, you're gonna get

813
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: it wrong more than you get it right as a

814
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: football team. So you try to do the best you

815
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: can at evaluation and pick your guys and go with it.

816
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember like being in there and obviously the

817
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: comment wasn't as big of a deal as it is now,

818
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: but when you go through interview teams, well it was.

819
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: It was for the players. God, yeah, I'm sorry, TV deal, right, Yeah,

820
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: that's that's what I mean. The media aspect of it

821
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: is quite different now than it was there. Thank you, okay,

822
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: thank you to State. Yes I did so the But

823
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: do you remember like weird questions from teams that like

824
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: was that a thing? No? Um, there weren't any weird questions. Um.

825
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: I remember the way I answered one, and I was

826
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: trying to be respectful and I shouldn't have answered that way. Uh.

827
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: They asked who was the best player I played against? Okay,

828
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: and there was a guy at Ohio State that gave

829
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: me trouble and we had a hell of a battle. Um,

830
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he was on anybody's draft board. Okay,

831
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: So I think that knocked me down a peg. Interesting. Yeah,

832
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: the best guy I should have said Tony Biselli because

833
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: he was the best guy, but I didn't mention him

834
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: for some reason. But yeah, I just that question always

835
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: stood out and how I answered it. But everything else

836
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty much standard. Interesting. Yeah, what else do you remember

837
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: about like that time? What made it so difficult? The combine? Yeah,

838
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: it's not the on field work. You've done that bench

839
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: press run, you know, shuttle drills, You've done that your

840
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: whole life. I think the toughest thing was the medical

841
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: evaluation where you're just being pulled prodded, and yeah that's weird. Yeah.

842
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: You walk around in shorts and you're going to room

843
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: the room and there's like twelve fifteen people in one

844
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: room and that is so strange. Yeah, you know know

845
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, move or feel like a horse. Um

846
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: you did. They're like, wow, does anybody want to talk

847
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: to me? That was a little bit weird. Um. But

848
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: everything else, I mean, it's it's the ultimate in competition.

849
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: If you're a friend of competition, don't go to the

850
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: combine because everybody there's good. Yeah. I loved it. It

851
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, just being weighed and measured next to

852
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: a guy that looks like that that kind of pissed

853
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: me off. Put me at the end, man. But everything else,

854
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: it's all about competition. Yeah, and you've got no friends

855
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: really because you don't know you're you're you're competing with

856
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: everybody in the room, not just your D line group.

857
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: Everybody in the room is competing for a roster spot,

858
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: a draft slot. Yeah, yeah, you want to be one

859
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: of those guys. So you have no friends at that moment.

860
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: So it was it like, were you I think right now,

861
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: it seems to me that there are more people who

862
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: just kind of prepare only for the combine. Is that

863
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: what you were doing? No, were you doing more no

864
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: football specific drill stuff. No, I was trying to do

865
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: what the first day guys did and do, which means

866
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: you've got tape. You're one of the best in the

867
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: regular season as a college player, and then your combine

868
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: is great too. Okay, so it backs up what you

869
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: did on the field. So guys they're they're invisible during

870
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: the season and then they show up at the combine

871
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: or or they don't show up at the comb Yeah,

872
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: you were trying to do both. Now, height, weight, speed,

873
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: You're height and weight you can't control, but everything else

874
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: you damn sure can't write. Yeah, how you play and

875
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: how you prepare and how you drill, all that stuff

876
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: you can take care of. If you just don't have

877
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: the side. You don't have the side. Then Aaron Donald

878
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: comes along, he's the same size and he's thirteen th

879
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: and then he breaks your rec kind of almost not

880
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: not so got a half sack to go there. So yeah,

881
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: at least season he's coming for you. He'll get it.

882
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Even you always say that he'll get it. He'll get it.

883
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: My brother called me. He said, when the Rams flipped

884
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: to a three four, he said, he'll never cat I said,

885
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you still get it. At some point,

886
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it. Watch money. Yeah, he'll get it

887
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: before the season ends. He'll get it like week nine. Really, Oh,

888
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: he'll have he'll have a game where he'll have a

889
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: four sack game, he'll have a three sack game, He'll

890
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: have multiple game, he'll have multiple sack games in a row. Yeah,

891
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: he'll be that type guy. Look at Robert Quinn's nineteen

892
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: sacks season. Look at the games where he actually had

893
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: sacks and where he didn't. I think there were more

894
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: games where he didn't have sacks, but just the games

895
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: where he did, there were a lot of them. Just

896
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, that's that's something incredible to me. You know,

897
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: like an athlete being in the zone, you know, you

898
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: just feel whatever, and like like you know how they say,

899
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: you know basketball players that the who looks the size

900
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: is you know a big basket or something like that.

901
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: It's all confidence to me. Funny bringing Greg Robinson and

902
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas um only Thomas Joe Thomas Cleveland left tackle. Yes,

903
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: only all pros and Pro Bowlers and future Hall of

904
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: famers love line it up against him because it's a

905
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: challenge everyone else they beat. Yeah, when they see Joe Thomas,

906
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: they get fired up. I'm facing the best. Yeah, Greg's

907
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: on the other end. Everybody can't wait to line up

908
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: on him. That's just the way it is. Until you

909
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: back people off, until you start to back people off.

910
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: A great technique, that's how it's gonna be. Yeah, it's

911
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: great technique and great coaching. So that's something that they need.

912
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: All right. Last thing I want to bring up a

913
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: little bit is the Oscars, because who knows if we're

914
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna come back to this before the Oscars come up

915
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: next week. So what was the best movie you saw

916
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: this year? Dude? I haven't seen anything. Yes, you would

917
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything. Everything I saw I saw late. I

918
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything. We were just look, okay, the only

919
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: reason I brought the baby. We were just talking about movie.

920
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: I just saw Zutopia. I just saw Zutopia came out

921
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: in March. I am not qualified to answer about that's

922
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: a show. We were just talking about fences and hidden figures,

923
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: and you were talking about there both Oscar nominated film.

924
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen everything. I've seen like a couple,

925
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I haven't seen everything. When I was single, I saw

926
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: every movie. Ask me, then, all right, I'm married with

927
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: a child. I see nothing but a diaper, pale. What

928
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: were we again? What were we talking about before the show?

929
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Utopia and Hidden Fences? You did not just do that?

930
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: I know Hid and Fences? All right, Yes, so I

931
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about the movies a little bit.

932
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: Man did ask Who's gonna win the Oscar? How am

933
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: I supposed to know? I didn't see everything, all right.

934
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: I loved the Hidden I'll take I will take it again.

935
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: I loved Hidden Figures. I loved it. I did. Um.

936
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I bet your family at the same action might Yeah, yeah, exactly.

937
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: They loved it. They inspiring. Yeah, very stuff. You don't

938
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: necessarily hear about Fences. Um has caused a big I

939
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't say riffed, but it started the conversation in my

940
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: family really big time. I mean I got to know

941
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: my mom a little bit better because of that movie. Wow.

942
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: So well, I can't put the biz out there, Okay, fine,

943
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: Then Zell's character, yeah, kind of was like my grandfather okay,

944
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that until now. Yeah get it?

945
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of like that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting It

946
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: is the people in my family that hated that character

947
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: and the people that said I know that character. Yeah,

948
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: people have known my whole lives. And finally I see

949
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: some differences because of one film that's really to me. Yeah, yeah,

950
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: I really loved I loved um the play Fences. I

951
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: read it in high school a long time ago, and

952
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: so I mean that that movie had basically the play

953
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: it's been around, Yeah, Augus Wilson. So what's funny is

954
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: so my mom um went to Yale Med School, so

955
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: she's there, um that when this play actually first came out,

956
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: they did it at the Yale Repertory Theater, and so

957
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: she saw it with the original cast, which had James

958
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: Earl Jones as that character. Yes, so like that is

959
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: something I will always be jealous of from my mother.

960
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I heard this from an actor friend. He said he

961
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: saw both and he said Denzel's Denzel put a little

962
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: humor into it, more than more than James James Earl Jones. Yeah,

963
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of straightforward. I'd like to see that performance. Yeah,

964
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: that role. Yeah, I just love James Arl Jones absolutely

965
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: but performing that role. Yeah, in a wow. I'd love

966
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: to see that. Yeah, big time. I'm a big theater fan.

967
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: Um what else is out there as far as best picture?

968
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: What else is the best picture? Yeah? So we've got

969
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: a Rival, We've got Fences, Hacksaw Ridge, Hell or high Water,

970
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: which I really really really liked because I saw that

971
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: high Water. It's like a new Western type deal had

972
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges in it, Chris Pine, and it's about two

973
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: brothers and how they do it. Yeah, it was good.

974
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 1: It was really really good. I saw this one. Actually,

975
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: how wrong? I don't know. Two wish hours too? About

976
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: two hours? Yeah, okay? Three? So Rival was great. Yeah,

977
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I liked it very I have a very very good

978
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: things about Arrival too. Yeah you haven't seen it. I

979
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: have not. You're gonna look. Okay, So La La Land,

980
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: which I think is going to win the Oscar. I

981
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: saw it in like the ending crushed me. And I

982
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: won't give anything away basically kind of. I mean, like,

983
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: let's be honest. Ryan Gosling, Jared Goff, and Emma Stone

984
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: are not the most talented singers. Ryan Gosling looks like

985
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. He threw in Jared Goff on me. Really, people,

986
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: don't you don't know this? Yeah, Ryan Gossling. People, many people,

987
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: many people are saying that you're the first person said

988
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I am, well, I see a lot of people. No

989
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: one's ever said this. I mean, like, if you look

990
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: at you know the comparison. I mean when I was

991
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: watching La La Land, I was like, oh man, that

992
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: looks like Jared. It was funny people who said this

993
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: before DeMarco. I promise that it's happened. And our producer

994
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: Josh is looking at me like I'm crazy too, So

995
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: I promise you people tweet you know DeMarco and tell

996
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: them that appeared whatever anywhere on an island. Anyway in

997
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Manchester by the Sea and The Moonlight are the other

998
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Oscar nominated. Okay, Manchester by the Sea is Ben Affleck's

999
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: little brother. I want to see that. I do too.

1000
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: I have not seen that, but I've heard tremendous. Yeah.

1001
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: I get some big thumbs up from our producer. He's

1002
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: a big movie. So I've seen what three on that list? Four?

1003
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: We have Fences, Hidden Figures arrived Utopia. Utopia is nominated

1004
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: for Best I like Utopia. You need to See that's

1005
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: what you were saying. Everyone needs to see Zutoka. I

1006
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: will maybe watch Utopia this weekend. Since it's supposed to

1007
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: be like biblical flooding in Los Angeles, might as well

1008
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: stay in exactly. Okay, So parting shot before we let

1009
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: the people go, uh, you know, excitement. I guess um

1010
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: for twenty seventeen. Um. I'm still trying to get over

1011
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: what happened in twenty sixteen. Really, I mean because we

1012
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: were at a lot of those games. We're at all

1013
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: of the games. I mean, we're at all those games.

1014
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: See if you remove the New Orleans, New England, Atlanta,

1015
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: that alley of Hell, remember that. Yeah, if you remove

1016
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: that and just look at some of the I'll even

1017
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: give you the end of the year because the Rams

1018
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: earned that. Versus Arizona, you just didn't show up and

1019
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: they steamrolled you. But if you remove those three games

1020
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: and look at how many winnable games you had, many

1021
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: situations where if one thing goes right here, what's your record? Yeah? Yeah,

1022
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: where are you sitting right now? I mean that if

1023
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be rough, it's gonna be rough

1024
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: for Atlanta to get over losing the Super Bowl. And

1025
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: I get that that's the ultimate of ultimates, but twenty

1026
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: sixteen kind of feels the same way. What could have been? Yeah,

1027
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And now now here we are and

1028
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, Rams have a new head coach, they've got

1029
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff, and I think it's all about

1030
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: now you know what you can do going forward, right,

1031
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: And that's the other part. That's the the light, uh

1032
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: that that's trying to overshadow the darkness. And we're getting there. Um,

1033
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen anything on the field. We haven't

1034
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: seen coach mcvagh with with a whistle around his neck,

1035
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: yeah and a Rams shirt on. Yeah, we'll get to

1036
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: see that soon. But I'm anxious to get that started

1037
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: me too. Yeah, that's my party shot. All right, folks, Well,

1038
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: we appreciate have you having you. Gosh, I need to

1039
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 1: tell this no, no, no, no, I gotta I gotta

1040
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: close for joining us. I gotta gotta close. You don't

1041
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: even know the name of the shell, Gosh between the horns.

1042
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, folks, we appreciate you joining us here

1043
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: between the horns. Thank you, Josh, my producer, thank you always. Hey, guys,

1044
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: we did a mailbag that's on the rams dot com.

1045
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to check that out. We answer some

1046
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: questions from Twitter, So until next time, wherever you may

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Speaker 1: be in football, we will see you that