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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up.

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Speaker 2: This is Bubba Van Tron, special teams coordinator with the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns with the Dogs Only podcast Let's.

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Speaker 3: Go Baby, all the what's going on guys.

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Speaker 4: Joe Hayden here along with Bubba ben Trom for the

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Speaker 4: second episode of Dogs Only Podcast. I was drafted twenty

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Speaker 4: ten to the Browns and you were already there, I

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Speaker 4: think going on your fifth or six year in Elite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: I had been in New England my first four years

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Speaker 2: I was. I came in the league a little bit

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Speaker 2: different than you did. I was undrafted, signing bonus of

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: What was your signing bonus?

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Speaker 4: I had to sign a bonus of wapping twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had the twelve But yeah, my first

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Speaker 2: four years I was in New England.

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Speaker 1: I was undrafted, my first year was on practice squad.

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Speaker 2: Had the you know, opportunity to come here in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So I was going into my second

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Speaker 2: drafting you.

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Speaker 1: What was the seventh overall pick? Seventh overall pick? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's sweet, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Twenty ten man, Thank you boy. But twenty ten.

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Speaker 4: I came in, first first round, seven pick overall me,

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Speaker 4: my boy TJ came in. And one big thing that

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Speaker 4: Eric Mangini made us for sure, dude, was we wan

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Speaker 4: special teams.

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Speaker 1: Special teams.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember and I still show clips of

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Speaker 2: you know, you and TJ your rookie years and you

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Speaker 2: know circling this is Joe Hayden. This is Joe Hayden,

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Speaker 2: that gunner the first you know, five four or five

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Speaker 2: games of the season, blowing up guys, you know, blowing

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Speaker 2: up returners, TJ down, you know, making plays and penetrating

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Speaker 2: on kickoff and stuff. And it's great for our young

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Speaker 2: players to see that our first round pick can have

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Speaker 2: obviously end up being a.

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Speaker 1: Starter and you have to end up being a great

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man, I think I think the biggest

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Speaker 4: thing with that is you have to it meant something,

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Speaker 4: you know, anytime we on the field, being a gun

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Speaker 4: or being on the special teams trying to make plays

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Speaker 4: and uh, just you we had the squad like you

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Speaker 4: and your boys, what was the what was the crew like?

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Speaker 1: We had?

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Speaker 2: We had a really good group we were like, we're

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Speaker 2: definitely number one in the league.

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Speaker 1: We had I mean Cribs was a returner.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we had me you, TJ Blake, Stunt, Blake stands up,

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Speaker 2: Nick Sorens and Kalukamayav, Jason Truszneck, Mike Adams. Jeez, I

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Speaker 1: We had some talent for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 4: So then so so let's say we met with that,

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Speaker 4: we played in a and when your career ended, I

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out now. I've been out for

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think I love love

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Speaker 3: being around.

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Speaker 4: Football still, But how did you did you kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like I knew that I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: we played against Seattle a number of times in those

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Speaker 2: Long story short, at the end of the conversation he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 4: I think we say, like the player schedule is tough,

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Speaker 4: but coaches schedules is completely different. Like what would you say,

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Speaker 4: like a day in a coach like a coaching's time

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Speaker 2: Be Like I mean, it was so different because you know,

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Speaker 2: everyone's gonna come back for the off season program, but

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Speaker 2: I mean coaching, like you think you might get like

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Speaker 2: in the you know at the end of the tunnel

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Speaker 2: that you're you're looking at and you're playing for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I mean it's definitely it's a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I learned how to do my job

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Speaker 1: So all that's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about some fun times we had the Boves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, me and you you had this thing, the Tips Tournament. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So what I did was we had this tournament just

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Speaker 1: So it's you have a partner, You're going against.

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Speaker 2: Two other players. It's a it's a shooting and tipping tournament. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so we would do this game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Joe participated in it. We had some good matchups. We'll

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Speaker 2: transitioned to my house in Massachusetts and then uh into Indie.

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Speaker 2: We were doing it, but me and Joe went head

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Speaker 2: I think I got the best of them a handful

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Speaker 4: Problem, probably gonna lie to you. You or Mickey ky

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Speaker 1: You and you had a good partner.

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Speaker 4: He could shoot, and I had Little Figious had.

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Speaker 4: So now let's get into what about this team? Just

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Speaker 1: We got a good group. We have a good group

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to work with uh Kay York going into

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Speaker 1: Special, and we got some we got some guys. We

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Speaker 2: We acquired Matt Adams in free agency, so that will

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Speaker 2: And then fortunately now that I'm here, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: I get to work with him now. All that's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, excited about it. Talk to me about you.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking You're transitioning obviously from being a player

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Speaker 1: You're living in California.

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Speaker 3: Yes, living in California full time. Now, I've been there.

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Speaker 4: I was doing off seasons there since twenty sixteen, me

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Speaker 2: I've seen some video. People have sent me some videos

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Speaker 2: of you training out there. Where were you training, because

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Speaker 2: it's pretty.

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Speaker 4: Intense, really really nice training facilities too. I met the

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Speaker 4: trainer through Odell Beckham Junior. His name was Mall Leggings Jilt.

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Speaker 4: Really good trainer. Najie Harris is out there right now.

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Speaker 4: We've had a couple of Jarvis Landry. He's just a

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Speaker 4: So it's a nice, nice little setup. We got a

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Speaker 4: But right now I'm just trying to figure out since

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Speaker 4: I retired, it's like, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to I love the game.

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Speaker 4: I kind of wanted to just kind of get away

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Speaker 4: for a second, you know, just because being in it

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I can definitely that

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing about like coaching that

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Speaker 2: We went down to West Virginia for the first eight

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Speaker 1: We do this.

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Speaker 2: Kevin does an incredible job of, you know, team building.

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Speaker 2: We do this thing it's called the four hs where

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Speaker 1: We can keep it rolling.

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Speaker 3: It takes talent to win.

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Speaker 4: And you have that with the talent, then with them

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, you've been on championship teams,

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Speaker 2: Everybody has talent. Like the NFL, there's so much parody.

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Speaker 2: He's looked incredible to this point. I mean he was

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Speaker 3: Side, right.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Normally with the team, like you said, there's so much parody.

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Speaker 2: Kevin does a good job of, you know, coaching this situations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to help them out.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people here that are really like

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Speaker 4: Every year you're in the NFL, you're hitting the lottery.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, there's so many there's so many

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Speaker 4: At all, you know, sure, And I think the thing

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Speaker 2: That's really the that's really the time to get all

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Speaker 2: mean honestly, I lucked out. I was fortunate after three

441
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Speaker 2: years getting an opportunity to be a coordinator after that

442
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Speaker 2: to come here as a coordinator. I'm just I'm pumped up.

443
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Speaker 2: I'm blessed to really have an opportunity to be back

444
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Speaker 2: here in Cleveland for a really good team and fan

445
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Speaker 2: base and ready to get rocking.

446
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Speaker 4: I'm so happy for you to know because at the

447
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Speaker 4: same time, like you said, it's you said, you got

448
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,919
Speaker 4: you lucked up to it. But you could have went

449
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Speaker 4: to New England and been not a good worker, not

450
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Speaker 4: a hard worker. You had to put that work in.

451
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Speaker 4: You had to. Bill had to take likening in you

452
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Speaker 4: because he saw something in you. He saw that you

453
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Speaker 4: were intelligent, he saw you wanted to were willing to

454
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Speaker 4: do anything to grind and get that spot, you know

455
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I think just people relationships, building

456
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Speaker 4: good relationships, impressions on people they last, and making sure

457
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Speaker 4: that you just put your best foot forward as much

458
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Speaker 4: as you can, because like you said, the relationships the

459
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Speaker 4: people that you know, Like I said, my my thing,

460
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Speaker 4: I have good relationships with like around Cleveland, Dan Gilbert

461
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Speaker 4: stock X. Being able to people that you know, they

462
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Speaker 4: really can put you in situations to bless you your family,

463
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Speaker 4: and it's because they took a lo to me, you

464
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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like he didn't have to do

465
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Speaker 4: certain things same way.

466
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Speaker 1: Certain people don't.

467
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Speaker 4: But it's just the goodness of being able to be

468
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Speaker 4: a good person. So I tell you that you deserve it, honestly,

469
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Speaker 4: bubb you didn't. That didn't happen for no reason for show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I mean, you know, so I'm in

471
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Speaker 2: I'm in New England with Bill Manginie, who is my

472
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Speaker 2: position coach, and not even like after football, like in football,

473
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Speaker 2: I came to Cleveland because man Genie was here with

474
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Speaker 2: Ceily who coached me in New England.

475
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Speaker 1: Then Cely goes to.

476
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Speaker 2: San Francisco and I go to San Francisco for my

477
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Speaker 2: last two years.

478
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's you just you.

479
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Speaker 2: Just never know, you know how how things are going

480
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: to shake out, and you know, in the in the football,

481
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: it's it is, there's so much uncertainty as a player,

482
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Speaker 2: you just especially a back end roster player.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, you were like you were the guy.

484
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Speaker 2: I mean, you were the man you really were, I mean,

485
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Speaker 2: and it was it was it was exciting for me

486
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Speaker 2: to see you even when you left Tierny went to Pittsburgh.

487
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 2: I know we like no one here likes Pittsburgh from Pittsburgh,

488
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Speaker 2: like I don't like.

489
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Speaker 1: The Steelers at all, obviously.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but you just I knew that you would you,

491
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Speaker 2: you would succeed and do well. And you know, I

492
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Speaker 2: feel like you're like my little brother, but not really, no,

493
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Speaker 2: for sure.

494
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Speaker 4: It's just always been love man, always, and you can

495
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Speaker 4: tell the genuineness like happiness.

496
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Speaker 1: You're happy for me.

497
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Speaker 4: I'm legitimately happy for you just the way that life,

498
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 4: life is bro and being able to just tell people

499
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Speaker 4: how stories and being able to be like this was

500
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Speaker 4: my teammate. It was a first round pick, did my thing,

501
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Speaker 4: and when I got there, looked up to you because

502
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: just the way you were professional, Like the way you

503
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Speaker 4: just carried yourself, did your job.

504
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that it was it was legit.

505
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Speaker 1: We took a lot of pride in you know, in

506
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Speaker 1: our team.

507
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Speaker 2: We actually we had a pretty good defense and we

508
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: are obviously really good on teams. I like that I

509
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: can show your film to my players.

510
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Speaker 1: And I liked it.

511
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Speaker 2: Whenever you're here, they see me interact with you, because look,

512
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Speaker 2: you're like a in Cleveland.

513
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Speaker 1: You're like the man.

514
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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody loves Joe Hayden. I heard it the

515
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: at the Joe Thomas party. You show up and it's

516
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: like everyone gravitates towards you, and it's like no surprise

517
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: because you're such a good dude and good person and

518
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Speaker 2: great teammate and you know, good family. Man.

519
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Speaker 1: Now, how many how many kids do you have? Kids?

520
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Speaker 2: Bro?

521
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Speaker 1: It's crazy? Yeah, yes, little Jet.

522
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Speaker 2: My kids are freaking getting so big. Ava is fourteen,

523
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Speaker 2: l is twelve, Majors.

524
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Speaker 1: Nine, fourteen. She's going into high school. Dude, Oh my,

525
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Speaker 1: she's going into high school one. That's crazy.

526
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Speaker 2: All my kids got the got the speed, Jean, So

527
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Speaker 2: that's good. They can all track soccer. Yeah, they can

528
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Speaker 2: all run. Ava can run, Ella can run, Major can run.

529
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Speaker 2: I think Major is going to be like Brian Urlacker.

530
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Speaker 1: He's going to be a beast.

531
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Speaker 2: He's linebackers, he's a freak and he can fly.

532
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Speaker 1: He cat away. I get awake, bro, Yeah, how old

533
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Speaker 1: are your kids? Six and four? Six and four?

534
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Speaker 4: I got my guys. My younger, my four year old son,

535
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Speaker 4: he's football, he's football. My six year old son is golf.

536
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, man, I'm trying to get him down

537
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: into it early, trying to get it.

538
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Speaker 3: He's pretty good too. My six show is getting pretty good.

539
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Speaker 2: My son, my son just started taking golf lesson or.

540
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Speaker 2: He's at a golf camp this week.

541
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Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, club, he's in football. He's gonna play hoops

543
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: this year. He does lacross, and he just started doing

544
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Speaker 2: some golf.

545
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Joey my oldest he does. He does golf

546
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Speaker 4: and basketball. Those are his two things.

547
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'm sure he'll play football too.

548
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 4: I know he will too. He plays quarterback. He does

549
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: a little quarterback. But I'm just saying, like, it's two

550
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Speaker 4: big quarterback. Didn't you Oh, I played quarterback for short.

551
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Speaker 4: Didn't you go to Florida?

552
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Speaker 1: I went to Florida as a quarterback. Bro.

553
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Speaker 4: If it wasn't for Cam and t bow out have

554
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 4: been starting. I actually been got some time, but it

555
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: all worked out. I had to switch me over the corner.

556
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Speaker 1: Bro. I did know that, Yes, yes, yes, it all

557
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: worked out though. Yeah for sure.

558
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Speaker 4: But it's been so per real, Bro. I know you

559
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 4: got to get ready for some practice today. You're out

560
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Speaker 4: there training camp, coaching it up.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're getting ready for the Commanders and hopefully

562
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Speaker 2: we can get out there and make some plays this week.

563
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Speaker 1: You're gonna see my guys flying around. So excited for that.

564
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Speaker 1: It was really good to see you.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to hopefully you being around

566
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: more in Cleveland and everyone getting to know you even

567
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: better around here.

568
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Speaker 4: For sure, Bro, I feel I feel the love when

569
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Speaker 4: I come back, man, So I'm gonna be back a

570
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 4: whole lot more often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sow good seeing you, bubs, you too, my man,

572
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Speaker 1: my god, all all all.

573
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Speaker 5: Walking. Payton was a warrior running with bees and rookies

574
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Speaker 5: couldn't hope the waight up in one of his Greek

575
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Speaker 5: as a creek through the zone. I am known as

576
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Speaker 5: a monster, the new Larry zarka ball and hall going

577
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Speaker 5: monx and somebody need then to trying to stop Barry

578
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 5: Sanders and Shunks in the game. You Justice Salamander never

579
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Speaker 5: had the boundary running through Yeo town, keep your head

580
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Speaker 5: up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown,