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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players.

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Speaker 1: Say, well, I want to be happy. You want to

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Speaker 1: be happy for Dake Edith state is that woo woo?

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Speaker 2: And don and tie Dear Rubinstein's good? What is going

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Speaker 2: on that North Carolina?

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Speaker 1: What is Brittany doing? It's a good question, Ty, It's

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Speaker 1: an excellent way to open this Mike Patrick show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is going on at North Carolina? We have

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Speaker 2: been making jokes. We've got the sound clip. I'll play

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Speaker 2: the sound clip in a little bit. I'm sure plenty

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Speaker 2: of times in this episode. But we wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: in our good friend Michael Felder, someone who played at

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Speaker 2: to just get his vibe on what exactly is going

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Speaker 2: We are recording this intro. We record this outro having

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Speaker 2: known much of what Michael said, because we recorded that before,

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Speaker 2: and we'll bolt it all together in the way that

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Speaker 2: we do here on the show. I can tell you

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Speaker 2: a lot of speechlessness throughout the course of our conversation

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Speaker 2: with Michael. Yeah, I get the sense that he's a

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Speaker 2: bit frustrated, a bit curious, has many of the same

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Speaker 2: questions that Dan and I have. Clearly, when they brought

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick on, that was a very big news story,

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Speaker 2: just for people who follow sports as a whole. Bill

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Speaker 2: NFL go in college coaching UNC it was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Nobody really had a great sense for how that was

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Speaker 2: going to go. Clearly, college football is a different game.

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Speaker 2: The structure around college football is much much different than

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Speaker 2: I think we've seen in the NFL. That goes without

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Speaker 2: saying how would he adapt, how would he adjust? How

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Speaker 2: would he put his stamp on all things? Is North

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Speaker 2: little bit of that. I don't know if it's all great.

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Speaker 2: Gonna get Michael's impression of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You have extensive thoughts about I guess it's his girlfriend, right, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: I do not have extension you want.

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Speaker 2: About any of this. No, no, no, no, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going there. I'm gonna go there. I'm gonna go there

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Speaker 2: as little as I have to. But for whatever reason, yes,

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Speaker 2: that has become part of the narrative now and we

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Speaker 2: don't do a whole lot of relationship talk on this

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Speaker 2: year podcast. Let's change that TDY, Let's change that here

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Speaker 2: today might be a little bit of a zag yeah,

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Speaker 2: occasionally speaking as we get into this with Michael Felder,

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Speaker 2: go and check him out. It's Felder dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 2: He also did some draft coverage, so maybe we can

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Speaker 2: start with some of the draft coverage that he did,

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Speaker 2: definitely and compare and contrast what he has to say

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Speaker 2: with what our good friend Nate Type from nath tye

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Speaker 2: excuse me from Yahoo said when we brought him on

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Speaker 2: prior to the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for North Carolina season this year.

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Speaker 2: Save this for the back end of the conversation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: With that tie, it is my it is our pleasure

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Speaker 1: to bring on Michael Felder. You've seen him all sorts

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Speaker 1: It's feldering swimming. Nobody knows this, but Felder is basically

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Speaker 1: college played college football. Here's my first question to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me interject for a second, Dan, because

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Speaker 2: But hold hold on, hold on, I'm gonna stop you

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Speaker 3: But no, it's one of my teammates. Gerald Sensible play

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Speaker 3: It was good to see the boys. That's what we

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they fix it. It's I don't know. Man.

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Speaker 1: So okay, So is what North Carolina and what they're

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Speaker 1: putting out into the world right now, which is that

432
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: CBS interview, which is you know, stories surrounding the head

433
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: coach and his relationship. Is it not just sort of

434
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Speaker 1: like fully undermining the entire appeal of bringing in Bill

435
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: Belichick that like the conversation, the intent of the conversation

436
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: and bringing in Bill Belichick is like look at this guy,

437
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Capitol g guy who's been through the fire, who has

438
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: been with you know you name it, Teddy Bruski, Tom

439
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: Brady all these you know these Mike Rabel sure right

440
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: that he is like the modern godfather of football, and

441
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: the story has completely shifted to what he's doing on

442
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: Instagram and the different copyrights that his lady friend is

443
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: filing for, and like it fully undermines the higher on

444
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: a certain level publicly, does it not?

445
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: I this is again this I told you. I got

446
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: into a fight with one.

447
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: Of my chief ball knower of America.

448
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: I got into a fight with my biggest friends in

449
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: the world because he's like, it's still good and I'm like,

450
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: come on, man, I don't know if this is still good. Right.

451
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: It's He's like, people are talking about us, and I

452
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, but not in a good way. Right,

453
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: this is in a good way? Like nobody's talking, like,

454
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: no one who did? Hang on, let me ask you,

455
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: I think for real, fifty for real, who's the starting

456
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: quarterback at UNC?

457
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: Max Johnson?

458
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: I guess it could be Max Joffe healthy.

459
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: I don't know healthy, He's never healthy.

460
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: It's what's his name? The It could be the South Ault,

461
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: Geo Lopez, the South Alabama transfer.

462
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: Right, so we don't we're not even talking about that, right, right?

463
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: Who's the best defensive player.

464
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: Well, it probably was. Bo Atkinson was in that conversation.

465
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: He just transferred to Ohio State.

466
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: So again, what what So we're not talking about the

467
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: team right, right, We're not talking about football, right, We're

468
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: talking about a CBS interview. We're talking about a not

469
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: great spring final practice, and we're talking about his girlfriend.

470
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: It's not that's not great.

471
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: And you got a recruit against Miami, you got a

472
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Speaker 1: recruit against Clemson.

473
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Speaker 3: You gotta credians incy State. People don't realize that they

474
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: put they they in c State puts their nose to

475
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: the grindstone and they go after it. And this is

476
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: something that if we're being honest, I think n C

477
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: State feels slighted by this being covered versus them being covered,

478
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: and they are. I think they're gonna be. They're gonna

479
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: be an angry team this year.

480
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Buddy Duke went out and spent on a quarterback.

481
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. Yeah, Virginia Tech is gonna be. Virginia Tech

482
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: just had two guys go and I know it was

483
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: on Day three of the draft, but they had two

484
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: guys go kind of back to back in the NFL

485
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 3: Draft that I think are probably gonna be eight year

486
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: NFL players.

487
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: So, Michael, I saw kind of to your point. I

488
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: think his name is Ted Johnson, formerly played for Belichick.

489
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the exact medium that he conveyed his

490
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: thoughts here, but he was like, they got they gotta

491
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: get rid of Belichick. This is this has gone far enough.

492
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: They got to get rid of them. It sounds like

493
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: you are not feeling great about the direction of the

494
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 2: discourse here with respect to UNC football. But like, where

495
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: where does this end? And what types of signals have

496
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: you picked up from your group chats and whatnot among

497
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: people who have played for this program? What what what

498
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: is the general sentiment about where this goes next? Where

499
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: this should go next to like maybe restore hope.

500
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: So I'm going to take you through the timeline, Okay, please.

501
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: I was. I was one of the first people. I

502
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: knew that this was going to happen.

503
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: The girlfriend thing.

504
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: You knew, Like, I'm going all the way back to

505
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 3: before when you see had no coach. Yeah, I was like,

506
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 3: the Belichick thing is going to happen. So I'm here,

507
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm up here, Okay. I called a bunch of my

508
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: friends and I talked to folks should have called you guys.

509
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: I guess, huh sure, But I knew. I told people

510
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: it was going to happen. They're like, it's not gonna happen.

511
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: I was like, it's gonna happen. It's about to happen.

512
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: It's happening right now. They're in talks right now. It's

513
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

514
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: By the way, even before that, an all time great

515
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Mac Brown, like George Costanza, attempts of like all right,

516
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: I've decided I'm gonna come back, yeah, and the school

517
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: is saying.

518
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: Actually, actually, yes, exactly, okay, continue. Mac Brown tried to quit.

519
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't quit.

520
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: He tried to quit. He was like, hey, you know what,

521
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm doing a good job. I'm done, right,

522
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: And then he was They were like no, you can't quit.

523
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: And then he was like, all right, I'm coming back,

524
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: and they were like no.

525
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: No, not that either. But I knew this was going

526
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: to happen. Continue. Yeah.

527
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: Then so I'm up here, I'm up here, I'm all

528
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: the way up high. Then it happens, and I'm like,

529
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: I talked to you, Chris Sims. I talked to my buddy, right,

530
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: I talked to them and they're like, this is going

531
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: to be really hard because it's right around signing there.

532
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, oh dude, he's.

533
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: Not gonna like this. And then we they hire what

534
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: is it, Michael Lombardi? Right yeah. I'm like, okay, so

535
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: you got somebody else gonna do this, so you don't

536
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: have to do it. Ok I'm back up. I'm back up,

537
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: not all the way up, but I'm back up. Sure,

538
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: siny day happens, Portal happens, like okay, they got some

539
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: guys from Minnesota.

540
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, what a ride.

541
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: And then spring, the final spring practice happens that I'm

542
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: my listening to my teammates and there I was gonna

543
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: go girlfriend at spring happens. I'm off the screen.

544
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: Now you are.

545
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: CBS interview happens. Can I let me see if I

546
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: can do this.

547
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: Hand in the dirt?

548
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's lowering his seat for people listening in

549
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: the non visual medium.

550
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no,

551
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: no no, So it's gonna be this is gonna be

552
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: a wild ride. Again. I think he's a very good

553
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: football coach. I think he could be very good. And

554
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: that's the thing. That's the argument that my my friend

555
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: and I got in. My friend and by the way,

556
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: my friend played for four years for the Greenway Packers.

557
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: He like, we we when we talk about football, we

558
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: usually are in lockstep, and this was one where we're

559
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: just completely divergent.

560
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: He thinks it's gonna be what what what is the divergence?

561
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: He thinks that the idea is that if you want

562
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: to learn how to be in the NFL, this is

563
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: a guy you can learn from. Right, which is I

564
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: agree with that, right, totally agree. However, if he's not

565
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: going to play ball with everybody that's going to be

566
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: in Keenan Stadium, if he's not going to play ball

567
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: with the people that go into the blue Lounge, with

568
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: the people that are are blue zone, excuse me. If

569
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: he's not going to go out at into the Deandome

570
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: and talk to the do you do you guys know

571
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: that we have like barker loungers in our stadium.

572
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: No, but it makes sense like.

573
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: In the Dingdom there are like lazy boy.

574
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, like for what purpose?

575
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: For the old donors, They're like, it's more I don't

576
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: want to sit in a standard.

577
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: I believe they're called blue hairs, Michael did I picked

578
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: that up correctly.

579
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Blue hair. The blue hairs like their Barca's.

580
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, are you kidding me? They're like, yeah, they

581
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: like they have like recliners in the Saint in like

582
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: it's insane. And if he's not gonna like, if he's

583
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: not gonna play like and I guess Lombardi can do

584
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: all that, and he's the one that does it. But

585
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: the reality of it is is these people want FaceTime

586
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 3: with him, right, And so it's gonna be really interesting

587
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: to see what this looks like and how it works.

588
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: Can he make it work? Absolutely, it's gonna have to

589
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: give a little more of himself to it, for sure,

590
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: And we're that's what we're waiting on to see. And

591
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna get to the season and then

592
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: we'll find out.

593
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: How does this circus compare to the circus you thought

594
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: you were getting?

595
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: Try that's a really good question.

596
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Every now and again, every now and again, I have

597
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: one block, blind squirrel, you know, because what a lot

598
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: of what you're describing is, I think the the circus

599
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: that you know, most people expected. He's an older coach,

600
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: He's obviously incredibly accomplished. There should be no question whatsoever

601
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: about whether the guy knows football. Clearly, getting him on

602
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: the staff, being able to recruit, getting Bill Belichick to

603
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: recruit players to come to your school, that you would

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: think that would work to their favor, right. There was

605
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: always this question about how is he going to adapt

606
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: to the recruiting game nil the transfer portal. Okay, so

607
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: they put someone in place, Michaelmbardi. Maybe he can handle that.

608
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it feels to me like it

609
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: came almost out of left field, the whole side thing

610
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: with his girlfriend taking on some kind of leadership role.

611
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: No one's exactly sure.

612
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Now the like hard knocks thing that got scratched last second.

613
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: Right, like that, that side of it I have to

614
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: assume as somebody in your shoes is plated and you know,

615
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: has a lot of passion for the program. Still, that's

616
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: the part that I think would probably get in my

617
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: craw the most. Not that you know, Bill Belichick isn't

618
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: allowed to have a personal life, but it just did

619
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: not seem at the time he was hired that that

620
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: would be something we'd be talking this much.

621
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: But you thought you might get ring camera shirtless right

622
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the morning after you knew that was on the table.

623
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm not talking about this, man.

624
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: I just I honestly to answer your question. And I

625
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: have no problem saying this. You and c is very

626
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: we we are and I'm not gonna I'm not separating

627
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: myself from this. We are a very buttoned up group.

628
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: We're fuddy daddy like we are. That's who we are.

629
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: They call us wine and cheese. But part of wine

630
00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: and cheese is accepting or entertaining more. It's more entertaining

631
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: the person that's over there. Hey, no, come no, we

632
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: have plenty. We have plenty of wine and plenty of cheese.

633
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: Come over. And Belichick is like a guy that like

634
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: has his case of like natty light and he's like,

635
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: this is mine. Don't touch it if you don't want

636
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: to come to if you don't want to sit on

637
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: our blanket, right, but you don't be a part of

638
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: our picnic. That's how that becomes a problem. And so

639
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see how long this works because

640
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: I think about this for I think about this over

641
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: the course of working in the industry but also going

642
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: to school there. Matt Doherty did a really good job

643
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: of embracing in terms of that white and cheese was

644
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: was it a good basketball coach? But he did. He

645
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: understood what he had to do. This is a guy

646
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: that was what roommates with Michael Jordan like. He understood

647
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: it right, he understood the assignment. Smith a guy that

648
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: just Dean Smith, Phil Ford like Bom But that was

649
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: like that fellowship that you get and I don't know

650
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: if we're gonna get that from bellowshit from Belichick. And

651
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: then Mack Brown same thing. Mack Brown.

652
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: Awesome, God, he was born for that role. Twice, Yeah, twice.

653
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Kenny Browning. Kenny Browning, Oh my god,

654
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: one of the greatest coaches in the history of college football.

655
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: Kenny Browning Browning. I look, I'm you're talking to a

656
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: walk on who didn't play much. And Kenny Browning knew

657
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: my high school, knew every kid that went to you

658
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: and see and played football from my high school.

659
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

660
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: And that's the atmosphere that the Blue Hairs, as we mentioned,

661
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: that's what they like. They liked that. They like to

662
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: know that. You know, I get a text every every

663
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: year on my birthday, I get a text from Gunner

664
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: Brewer Gunnar Brewer I believe is now at Virginia, and

665
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: but Gunner of chat scott'st West Virginia. Gunner, I think

666
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: is at Louisville. Chad Scott though, text me as well

667
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: on my birthday. Chad Scott and I played together at

668
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: you and see Gunner Brewer well text me on my

669
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: birthday and he asked me how my parents to do,

670
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 3: and he remembers their names.

671
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Verry unc Sorry, I've been thinking about Bill Belichick's meal

672
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that he's keeping for himself, and I'm looking up now

673
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: to see if his girlfriend tried to trademark lunch of bills.

674
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: Oh that's not bad. Damn, that's pretty good.

675
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Good, that's actually very.

676
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Lunch of bills. Maybe some sawdust and tepid water, it's

677
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: all you need, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, next question and

678
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: some natty lights. Some natty light. Yeah.

679
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: Like we used to see Roy Williams on his jog

680
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: during the day and he would talk to us. Sure,

681
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's going to be Bill Belichick.

682
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I can tell you it's not going to bed.

683
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: In case you're wondering, I can tell you he's going

684
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: to do one of these.

685
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: I'm and now they've decided we're gonna do this and

686
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: we're hiring Bill Belichick. And then they were like, hang on,

687
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: what I didn't we This wasn't a part that we

688
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: thought about. So it's gonna be really, I don't know

689
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: this is it's gonna be wild man, like I very.

690
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: They didn't ask for references.

691
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they know they asked for references, okay, but

692
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: the references that they got were.

693
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: Football professional, not personal.

694
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: Right, Like, it's it's a Nick saman it's a Bill Parcell,

695
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: it's all. It's all that stuff. You get these references

696
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 3: and those work. What you don't realize is this guy's

697
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: gonna be like once he's he's gonna be out there

698
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: doing yoga with a twenty five year old and that's

699
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: It's not I'm not saying it's bad. Just for the record,

700
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: just hope people know I'm not saying it's bad. I'm

701
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: saying this is not what they were expecting. So when

702
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: you know Suzanne from Medvion, her and her husband had

703
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: been given you know, fifty thousand dollars a, U and C.

704
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: Every year Suzanne shows up and has to talk to

705
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: what a twenty five year old at the scholarship dinner.

706
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: She's gonna be like, what is happening? That's the part

707
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: that I think is gonna be really interesting.

708
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just really there's a new Bill Belichick has

709
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: released a statement related to his viral CBS interview.

710
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh please, no, no, no, why is this happening while

711
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: we're recording?

712
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: No, it's it's paragraphs.

713
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: Better get your friend on the horn, Michael, there's a

714
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: breaking news upbeat.

715
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Don't like I'm getting tech? Are you

716
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: kidding me? Ah? Is this serious?

717
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: It's on UNC Office of Official University Communications. Oh my gosh, No,

718
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: it's nothing too scandalous. It was just that it wasn't

719
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: representing the tone of the interview, and blah blah blah.

720
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: I bet it was.

721
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I bet it was. Yeah, No, I have a selective

722
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: edited clips and stills in just a few minutes the

723
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: interview suggest a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to

724
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: control the conversation, which is simply not true.

725
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, yeah, this this is this sounds like

726
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: how I have to talk to my wife or one

727
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: of my like my wife with like her friends in there.

728
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: Like I was like, I don't think that they were

729
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 3: trying to be mean to you, but like the reality

730
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: was this and mm hmm. So here's what's going on,

731
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: and it's like, what are we? Oh no, and this

732
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: is your football program?

733
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Is your head football coach? Michael Felder, thank you very

734
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: much for your time. It's Felder dot substack dot com.

735
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: Check him out when he appears for Bleacher Report for

736
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. Michael, thank you very much for

737
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: your time.

738
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 3: Yer.

739
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Michael Felder. He doesn't know

740
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: what he thinks either. Nobody knows what to think about this.

741
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: No, I think honestly, the way I phrased that is

742
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: the closest to figuring out how I feel about it,

743
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: which is you hire Bill Belichick for experience, for you know,

744
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: having been there and worked when different solves so many

745
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: different kinds of problems, right, won so many different games

746
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and so many different ways, and you bring that to

747
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: North Carolina and the college level. He obviously had the

748
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: connection I think through his dad at North Carolina. So

749
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: there's this emotional piece to it. And this is how

750
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: he sort of wants to go out. Obviously he's seventy

751
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: years old something, right, That is how he wants to

752
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: sort of finish out his illustrious football coaching career and

753
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: has had some public showings in the relationship department. You know,

754
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I brought up the ring camera footage of him exiting

755
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: a house I think in Boston without a shirt on

756
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: all time.

757
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: Great.

758
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, maybe you spend so much of

759
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: your life focused on one thing that everything is kind

760
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: of new and different and weird in other parts of

761
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: your life. And I get that. I can relate on

762
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: certain levels. But now a lot of this is is

763
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: very publicly dating a considerably younger person and the judgmental

764
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: eyes that come with that, fair or not, and putting

765
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: yourself out publicly on social media and doing interviews and

766
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, at one point, or agreeing to do a

767
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: hard knock style show before saying oh not really, we're

768
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: not doing it anymore. For NFL films, and seeing the

769
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: like the blurring of the personal and professional lines and

770
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: applying for copyrights.

771
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: Well look, look, look, yeah, everybody knew there was going

772
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: to be a circus with hiring a guy like a

773
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick.

774
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like there was something new, yeah, novel.

775
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: It sounded like there was a circus when NFL teams

776
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: tried to hire Bill Belichick, or at its considered it. Yes,

777
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: So it's not lost on me that that didn't work out.

778
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Now he's here. It was clearly a big news story.

779
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: I think we did a one off episode talking about her,

780
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: or at least spent a good chunk of our episode

781
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: talking about Belichick. It's a big story. It's still a

782
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: big story. It is just such a contrast now where

783
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: we're at as we record this in late April, about

784
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: to be May, between the Bill Belichick we saw at

785
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: New England, which was always this beacon of buttoned up,

786
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: hard nosed, vanilla football football. Do your job, a football,

787
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: disciplined right, This, what we're seeing now could not be

788
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: more counter to that. Patriot could not be more counter

789
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: to that. Now, to your point, do whatever you want

790
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: your personal life. I don't care, of course, But this

791
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: is also a different circumstance altogether from the types of

792
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: people that you need to appease and give the warm

793
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: fuzzies too. When you're coaching in the NFL and the NFL,

794
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: you've got an owner you got a answer to, right,

795
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: You've got your players, obviously you got to answer to.

796
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: But your source of income is not a necessarily are

797
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: your source of payment, let's say for players, is not

798
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: necessarily coming from boosters and NIL funds. Right, So if

799
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: suddenly you now find yourself in a situation where the

800
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: people the blue hairs, as Michael put it, people who

801
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: might be funding some of your NIL operations, if they

802
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: are a little bit spooked by what's out there in

803
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: the news, are they going to stop opening up the checkbooks, right,

804
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: to stop putting money into those funds.

805
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: It's very weird for us to be trdly moving on

806
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: to like wait and see, right, instead of like the

807
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: enthusiasm that immediately comes with hiring somebody as high profile

808
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: as Bill Belichick. You're like, how you know there were

809
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: people that were questioning how serious he is about running

810
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: a college program.

811
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Sure, it's a huge financial commitment by the university. If

812
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: you're going to be putting money into an NIL fund

813
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 2: like that, you're not going to get that money back.

814
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: You probably get some perks, but you're not going to

815
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: be getting that money back. There's no return on that

816
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: investment unless North Carolina goes to win the ACC, goes

817
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: a big Bowl game, makes the playoffs. What have you?

818
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: So if those people start seeing stuff in the news,

819
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: if they're put off by it, if suddenly they are

820
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: having second thoughts about funding this program. Who is running

821
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: this program, you can see how that would be problematic,

822
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: of course, And I just don't think when we saw

823
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick signing up to be the coach at UNC,

824
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: which is really what it sounds like, he signed up

825
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: for it, he got them on board, and then they

826
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: made it happen. I just wasn't expecting this, and so

827
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: there is part of me as well like Michael, that

828
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: remains speechless on this whole thing. This is all to say,

829
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: I'm very interested where the program goes. Same like I'm

830
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: real curious about North Carolina, maybe more so than ninety

831
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: eight percent of the other teams in college football. This

832
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: could go a thousand different different directions. I still think

833
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: the guy knows football. He won all those Super Bowls.

834
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: He's not a dumb dumb on the football field. It's

835
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: just like the extracurricular stuff, the off field stuff now

836
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: that weirdly has I think clouded Judge been as to

837
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: where this program's at.

838
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, this is what college football at a big place.

839
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: You're projecting reasons for recruits, for potential assistance and for

840
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: transfers to come to the University of North Carolina. And

841
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: if that reason is Bill Belichick's gravitas and coaching experience

842
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: and everything, and look at all these things that he's

843
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: weathered through some fault of his own, through some fault

844
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: of others while he was at the Patriots, and that

845
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: he's this elder statesman of the sport. And like, what

846
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: a unique opportunity if you're a transfer outside linebacker or

847
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback recruit coming out of high school, or you know,

848
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: an up and coming assistant coach to learn under Bill

849
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Belichick and then to see how this program is in

850
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: the specific limelight that it is in his first off season,

851
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: let alone first season. It sort of runs counter to

852
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: that whole thing.

853
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, man wi right in look salidverbogo dot com.

854
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: Let us know your thoughts on North Carolina football. If

855
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: nothing more to the point of Michael's friend with whom

856
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: it sounds like you had a bit of a disagreement,

857
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: There are a lot more people talking about North Carolina

858
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: football right now. Sure, maybe not for the right reasons,

859
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: so the reasons that they would prefer football fans, but

860
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: Caroline is in the news right now because Belichick because

861
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: of the interview, is because of a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with football. Whether or not

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Speaker 2: that pays any dividends, I guess, remains to be seen

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Speaker 2: at some point here. I'm sure we'll do a more

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Speaker 2: acc focused show where we'll talk through schedules and do

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Speaker 2: the preview deal as we get a little bit closer

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Speaker 2: into July. But Dan Man did not expect this, did

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Speaker 2: not expect this. Nothing typifies the state of college football

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Speaker 2: more than a situation like this where you've got big

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Speaker 2: names and big money and just a whole lot of weirdness.

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Speaker 2: That's just where the sport is at right now.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I man, I want to wade into territory.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's best left for our bonus show of just

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Speaker 1: the relationship and generational divide that anybody, let alone Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: anybody with this kind of age divide what they face socially.

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Speaker 2: Let's save that for the bonus episode, shall we.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that.

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Speaker 2: Let's do that all right again. You know the drill

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Speaker 2: verbowlers dot com, VRBA, l e r s dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's the Patreon go out and out there at free

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Speaker 2: episodes bonus content you can hear I guess the part

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Speaker 2: two of this episode. If you were ever so inclined,

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Speaker 2: if you join up Discord community games and such, we

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Speaker 2: will continue talking about verbolers dot com obviously the closer

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Speaker 2: we get into the college football season in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: If nothing more, Hit follow hits subscribes that you don't

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Speaker 2: miss any future episodes.

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Speaker 1: Dan, Yes, why don't.

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Speaker 2: We leave it there? Big thanks to our guest of

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Speaker 2: honor today, Michael Felder. Go and check him out. As always,

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Speaker 2: we will be back next week. More content, more college

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Speaker 2: football content is on the way. Wait for that guy, Dan,

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Speaker 2: for myself tied. We will talk to y'all and stay

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Speaker 2: south peace. MHM.