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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Thursday, and welcome to day two of

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Speaker 1: the government shut down. I don't have a ton to

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Speaker 1: add from what I've been talking about over the last

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Speaker 1: two episodes. I am going to continue on my hobby

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Speaker 1: horse there. There's nothing that this should not be the

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Speaker 1: idea that just funding just stops, that somehow parts of

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Speaker 1: a it's a slow, obviously trickle the way this is done,

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Speaker 1: and they've done so many carved outs so that you know,

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Speaker 1: the most sensitive constituency groups aren't really impacted at all

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Speaker 1: on this. It is this is just dumb, and we

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Speaker 1: all know it's dumb, and everybody involved knows it's dumb,

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Speaker 1: and the lawmakers involved know that this is this. This

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Speaker 1: isn't how the system should work, and it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to work this way. Elected politicians have made a choice

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Speaker 1: to have extra moments of drama where there shouldn't be any.

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Speaker 1: And as taxpayers, I don't even understand how this is legal.

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Speaker 1: I understand there was a legal interpretation of how annual

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Speaker 1: funding works that all of this has sort of created

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Speaker 1: this idea that somehow funding stops. On September thirtieth and

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Speaker 1: a government agency ceases to function. It is ridiculous for

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Speaker 1: the world's number one, supposedly number one superpower to behave

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Speaker 1: this way. And the fact that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: air traffic controllers, we expect them to come to work

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Speaker 1: and just be on promised back pay. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: part of this shutdown that is probably going to speed

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Speaker 1: things up. And if you recall, and in fact, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fastest way this shutdown ends is probably if we

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Speaker 1: have a repeat of what happened during the twenty eighteen shutdown,

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Speaker 1: because and it was my friends of Politico pointed this

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Speaker 1: out earlier on Wednesday. During the at thirty five day

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen shutdown twenty eighteen through twenty nineteen, there were

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Speaker 1: a record number of TSA agents who called out sick.

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Speaker 1: And it was it was over Martin Luther King weekend

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Speaker 1: that you saw the surge. You had ten percent of

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Speaker 1: had to temporary shut down. They shut down Laguardie Airport

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Speaker 1: because they were missing so many air traffic controllers. Because basically,

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Speaker 1: once you hit a certain point in the shutdown, you've

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Speaker 1: like literally missed paychecks. Yes, you're going to get the

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Speaker 1: back pay, but do you know who doesn't take an

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Speaker 1: iou your bank? Okay, when you pay your mortgage, you

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Speaker 1: I've got to pay. It's common. But you know, can

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Speaker 1: you wait? You know, you know, you know, you go

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Speaker 1: ahead and try it, right, we all know that that

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Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. And then so the one way, right,

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Speaker 1: the entity that has the most leverage to force everybody

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Speaker 1: agents and air traffic controllers. That was the one thing

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Speaker 1: that did it the last time because essentially they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to have to risk doing their job without getting

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Speaker 1: they called in sick. All right, I'm not you know,

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Speaker 1: doing it this way. That's what arguably forced some action

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Speaker 1: the last time. So if you're looking for an outside

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Speaker 1: Wednesday I said, I don't know how this ends. It's

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Speaker 1: not an obvious exit ramp. I actually think you're starting

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Speaker 1: I will be shocked if we go into a second

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Speaker 1: weekend of this government shutdown. First of all, there's already

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Speaker 1: four more. Well, who's sitting out there the Senate retirees

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Speaker 1: those you know, don't have to worry about the voters,

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Speaker 1: out there. He said, I'm more than willing to negotiate

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Speaker 1: You know, essentially, you know, in hostage negotiations, will negotiate

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Speaker 1: the releasing is the votes on the government. So my

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Speaker 1: point is is that, well, yesterday it was hard to

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats can already say that they've gotten out

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Speaker 1: of this is that they've elevated this healthcare issue which

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Speaker 1: It's very hard for any subject to break through most

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Speaker 1: had a hard time breaking through. So if you want

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Speaker 1: But I want to associate myself with something Matt Iglesias

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Speaker 1: wrote today in his substack, and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: Republicans are not taking the idea of recisions, the sort

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Speaker 1: was agreed to in the budget. It takes sixty votes

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Speaker 1: changes by John Thune to rescind some spending. So in

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Speaker 1: and then they only need fifty votes. And you know

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Speaker 1: that that would be a fascinating development. Suddenly you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: sixty votes these days is very difficult. Now, someone like

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Speaker 1: In that so, whatever you do with the vote, right,

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Speaker 1: interesting scenario that we could see happen. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: included in whatever agreement is there to essentially open up

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Speaker 1: I could argue that by Vance agreeing to that, well okay,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of have a safety net here. And

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Speaker 1: this goes back to the tactical decision to sort of

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Speaker 1: this isn't going to impact the Virginia governor's race that much.

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Speaker 1: But the government shutdown at twenty thirteen essentially got Terry

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Speaker 1: the only thing that could derail Spanburger is if somehow

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Speaker 1: Trump has politicized every aspect of governance, right from the

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Speaker 1: for this administration to politicize everything. In fact, a few

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Speaker 1: hours before recording this, Russell Void, the budget director for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He's been sort of every couple of hours

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Speaker 1: for instance, he put this tweet out nearly eight billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in green news scam funding to fuel the LEFS

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Speaker 1: climate agenda is being canceled. More info to come from

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Speaker 1: the Energy Department. And he's said, and the projects are

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Speaker 1: targeting the following states California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and Washington. Do you know what all those states have

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Speaker 1: in common? Says the host with the rhetorical question, knowing

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Speaker 1: his audience can't say. I can't hear your answer as

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you the rhetorical question. But if the answer

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Speaker 1: was they all voted for Kamala Harrison the presidential election,

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Speaker 1: you were right. They are systematically only targeting Democratic constituents

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Speaker 1: Democratic states. Earlier in the day, he pulled some funding

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Speaker 1: for some New York City projects. Who are the two?

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting I saw I was in a at

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Speaker 1: the speakers, and he's any and he and he made

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Speaker 1: a nice plea. He was very close friends with Russelamo,

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Speaker 1: and he made a nice plea for like, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know there's some things I don't you know, like about

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Speaker 1: Trump's behavior, but you know, I do think we need

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to unify better. But you know,

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Speaker 1: those are always the head scratchers. To me, I think

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Speaker 1: of Tom Watson as a high character guy. I do.

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Speaker 1: He was my guy growing up. I wasn't a Nicholas fan.

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Speaker 1: I was a Watson guy. You know, my dad wasn't

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Speaker 1: a Nicholas fan. So we were Watson people. Watson was

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Speaker 1: a Midwesterner. I think that's what my no. Ohio is

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Speaker 1: not the Midwest for you, ohioans. Ohioans Ohio is its

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Speaker 1: own thing. It's not the East Coast, it's not the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: And I'll and i'll fight you on that. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to fight you on that. John Kasik, I have kid

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Speaker 1: Kasik might kick my butt. He's pretty in shape dude

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Speaker 1: for that. But in all seriousness, there are some good,

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Speaker 1: high character people that find them that find themselves very

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Speaker 1: supportive of Trump sometimes that that's a head scratcher to me,

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Speaker 1: because I do think his his moral compass and his

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Speaker 1: character are collectively giving a permission slip to people to

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Speaker 1: behave like anything goes, you know. And you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm sounding like an old guy in the room, and

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Speaker 1: I guess gen X, now we're the old guys in

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Speaker 1: the room. But there's some line here, right, There's some

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Speaker 1: line that I thought we were going to agree not

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Speaker 1: to cross. But you know, as as Bill Hurt said

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Speaker 1: in broadcast news, well I hear you about not crossing

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Speaker 1: the line, but they keep moving the sucker. And I

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Speaker 1: do think our line of decorum and a ridiculousness, right,

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Speaker 1: it is sort of being set by Trump and the

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Speaker 1: MAGA online forces. And I would just caution democrats giving

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Speaker 1: up that slightly higher ground of trying to be of

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Speaker 1: when you're no longer behaving like the adult in the room.

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Speaker 1: We know they're not behaving like the adult in the room.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole slew of us out here wondering who's

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Speaker 1: going to be the one to mind the store right,

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Speaker 1: who's going to be the one to lock the door,

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the one you get You get

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Speaker 1: my point. There's a reason results matter more than promises,

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Speaker 1: out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free unless they

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Speaker 1: win a few other notes. Frankically, it's a little pot

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Speaker 1: per reef. First, on the campaign front, we're getting a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of fundraising reports. I think we need a pause.

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Speaker 1: And I the oyster farmer out of Maine, Graham Platner,

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Speaker 1: raised three point two million dollars since he announced, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't even start. I don't believe he had had

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Speaker 1: about six to eight weeks. That is an impressive showing.

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Speaker 1: That tells me. And I was just told you yesterday

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Speaker 1: about Janet Mills, like, what's going on there? She seems

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Speaker 1: she doesn't seem Look, he animated the progressive grassroots. He's

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Speaker 1: sort of more of a feels more Dan Osborne than

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Speaker 1: he does Bernie Sanders. For what it's worth, I think

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Speaker 1: certainly the progressives are all excited about him, but he's

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Speaker 1: got you know, he's sort of a progressive tough guy.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a little Fetterman, you know, sort of Fetterman

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Speaker 1: twenty the twenty twenty two version of Fetterman in there

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Speaker 1: with Platiner. That's an impressive hall. And the fact is

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Speaker 1: raised three million as well. They did it for the

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Speaker 1: entire quarter. But Janet Mills has and one might question

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Speaker 1: whether is she the best candidate to put up against

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Speaker 1: Susan Collins or do you, you know, is she going

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Speaker 1: to be seen as too much of an insider And

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Speaker 1: you basically have the choice between two insiders or are

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Speaker 1: you better are you better off as the out party

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Speaker 1: running somebody's you know, I do think that there are

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Speaker 1: Party that are kind of ven diagrammy, right, you sort

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Speaker 1: of have you sort of have you have sort of

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Speaker 1: a ideological divide of the progressives and the pragmatists. Now,

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Speaker 1: the pragmatists, some of them are mainstream liberals and some

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Speaker 1: of them are much more center, but they're sort of

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Speaker 1: on the whatever it takes to win an election type

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Speaker 1: of mindset. But within that Venn diagram of pragmatists, there

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Speaker 1: are some pragmatists who are pretty progressive but are just

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Speaker 1: not going to be culturally progressive. They're a little more

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Speaker 1: economic progressive, but maybe culturally a little more conservative. So

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Speaker 1: you know, you have sort of the it's not a

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Speaker 1: clean sort of three. So you have your your insider outsider,

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I think being outsider matters more

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Speaker 1: than whether you're progressive or centrist, if you're outsider and

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Speaker 1: new and ready to sort of goes back to what

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Speaker 1: I was saying Wednesday about what I think the the

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Speaker 1: a winning twenty twenty eight Democratic candidate will look like.

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Speaker 1: It is somebody who wants to be as disruptive as Trump,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time maybe with with with a

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Speaker 1: you will, and considering how much money he initially raised,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is one of those cases where I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they need mails and if anything, having

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Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out fight that becomes more inside or

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Speaker 1: outsider than it is sort of left versus center. Is

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Speaker 1: that going to do nothing but actually hurt well everybody

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic side and potentially strengthened Susan Collins. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty skeptical that she can pull this one off

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Speaker 1: this time because her negatives are a rising and they're at

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Speaker 1: the worst they ever. But there's nothing that would make

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Speaker 1: help her more than if this became a primary. That's

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Speaker 1: similar to what we're seeing in Michigan. We have three

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Speaker 1: well funded candidates sort of with offering different theories of

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Speaker 1: pragmatic theory. Right, we may be staring at something like

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Speaker 1: that in Maine. But I just I think that fundraising

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Speaker 1: his speed dot. That's all I would say on that one.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of Michigan, what I was saying is that

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Speaker 1: Llorie McMorrow raised nearly two million. I guess it is

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Speaker 1: Steven's probably outraised him by a little bit, but not

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Speaker 1: attempts to enrich himself, how that does sort of play

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Speaker 1: out in policy. So why was Cutter smart to give

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Speaker 1: a plane to Donald Trump? Well, here's what Donald Trump did.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday. Donald Trump issued a sweeping executive order pledging

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Speaker 1: to guarantee Qutar's security if the country wherever to come

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Speaker 1: under attack. The order states then an attack on Qatar

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Speaker 1: to defend Cutter. The order also calls on US defense

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Speaker 1: Qatar to ensure a rapid and coordinated response to any

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Speaker 1: foreign aggression. And yes, if you're keeping tract, I do Qatar,

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Speaker 1: go back and forth on that. But the point is,

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Speaker 1: what's the likelihood that that kind of order for a

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Speaker 1: for the government of Qatar. This is why, though it

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Speaker 1: why there should have been more people uncomfortable with it,

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Speaker 1: because now it calls into question every single He just

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Speaker 1: Is because he's under the influence financially and he feels

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Speaker 1: he owes them something because of the plane. We don't know,

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Speaker 1: do we but it's out there. Then there's the deal

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Speaker 1: that Pfizer cut with Donald Trump. Right fires are very

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Speaker 1: worried about tariffs on some of their products on pharmaceuticals,

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Speaker 1: and so what do they do. Pizer agrees to lower

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Speaker 1: prices to some medicaid programs through a direct to consumer website,

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Speaker 1: and what did they agree to call this website? Trump Orex.

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Speaker 1: Look this transactional nature of Trump. You could argue, at

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Speaker 1: least here he's fighting to try to lower prescription drug

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Speaker 1: costs for at least he's using his own sort of

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Speaker 1: personal vanity, and in this case, right, you know, he wants,

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Speaker 1: he wants, he wants people to think he alone, right,

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Speaker 1: because he alone can fix it. He alone is lowering

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Speaker 1: your drug costs. Sort of cuts a side deal using

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Speaker 1: the power of tariffs, which may be illegal. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court still hasn't decided on this. It's certainly

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Speaker 1: my reading of this. I don't know how you don't

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Speaker 1: say that he doesn't that he's overstepping his authority on this,

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Speaker 1: but he's essentially using it so that he gets something

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Speaker 1: out of it, right, just like what he's doing with

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Speaker 1: Harvard now, shaking them down for money, Just like what

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Speaker 1: he just did with YouTube. Speaking of Google and YouTube,

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Speaker 1: I read an article in The Verge that noted that

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Speaker 1: that they've taken away if you ask about is Trump

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Speaker 1: showing signs of dementia? There's no longer an AI summary

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Speaker 1: on your Google search, sort of explaining it was sort

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Speaker 1: of and sure enough I went and did it just

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Speaker 1: a double check. It was gone. Although the first story

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Speaker 1: this is a reminder that this administration is practicing what

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Speaker 1: it lectured the Biden administration for doing, which is it's

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Speaker 1: leaning on these tech companies in order to get more

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Speaker 1: favorable coverage, or leaning on these tech companies in order

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Speaker 1: to get something that's their way, or simply leaning on

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Speaker 1: these tech companies to shake them down for money. Now,

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Speaker 1: look this goes you know, this is the tyranny of

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Speaker 1: you know they are they open platforms and do they

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Speaker 1: behave like utilities or are they going to be in

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Speaker 1: the editing and publishing business? And the minute you've tweaked

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Speaker 1: your algorithm, you've become a publisher. And of course I

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Speaker 1: do believe this means Section two thirty doesn't apply anymore

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Speaker 1: because they're no longer just a neutral platform. They are

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Speaker 1: not a neutral platform. They are curating and yet more

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Speaker 1: evidence of this. But and speaking of coziness and how

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Speaker 1: outside groups have amazing inside influence on the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you were paying how many of

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Speaker 1: you are paying attention to the person that was nominated

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Speaker 1: for the Commodity Futures and Trading Commission. His name is

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Speaker 1: Brian Quintens. Well, his his nomination was withdrawn after facing

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Speaker 1: opposition from the Crypto Twins and Mark Zuckerber's favorite enemies

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Speaker 1: these days, the Winklevoss Twins, and they didn't like that.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Quintin's was. The Winklevoss Twins were essentially trying to

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Speaker 1: to uh, to gain you know, they were making contact

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Speaker 1: with Quintin's and apparently he was actually trying to hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't don't don't try to game sort of

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Speaker 1: a ruling off of the commodity you know, before he

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Speaker 1: goes through his own confirmation process or whatever it is. Well,

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Speaker 1: whatever happened in this text exchange, and I think Quintin's

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Speaker 1: was actually trying to be on the up and up here.

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Speaker 1: The Winklevoss Twins complained to the White House, and the

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Speaker 1: White House was true the nomination right if if their

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Speaker 1: personal crypto partners don't like a nominee, they just call

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Speaker 1: up a Trump maybe it was a son, and they

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Speaker 1: get to hand you know, they get to handpicked who

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Speaker 1: potentially the next regulator of crypto is for the federal government.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this this fusion of Trump's business and

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Speaker 1: vanity with how he conducts government business. Right, whether it's

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Speaker 1: what we saw with Cutter, what we just what I

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Speaker 1: just showed you with the Winklevas twins, and this them

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Speaker 1: essentially getting a nominee acts because they decided he wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to that he was potentially going to be too

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Speaker 1: neutral of a regulator. It's essentially it appears what the

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Speaker 1: Winklebus twins biggest complaint was, or the shakedown of Pfiser

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Speaker 1: in order for Pfiser to to to sort of get

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Speaker 1: out of some terraces in exchange for this Trump vanity

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Speaker 1: project on prescription drugs. Any one of these things would

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Speaker 1: have been scandals under any other president. And all this

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Speaker 1: stuff gets met with kind of a shrug. I get it.

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Speaker 1: We've been at eleven when it comes to sort of

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Speaker 1: Trump violating norms and blowing past guard rails, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: just numb and kind of used to it. But that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the problem. If we're all going to kind

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Speaker 1: of get used to it. It means it's going to

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Speaker 1: set new precedents. You know, we have a new floor, right,

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Speaker 1: our floor keeps getting lower and lower on this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's not good. How are that? Let's do

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Speaker 1: a few questions, ask Chuck. This has comes from Rich

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Speaker 1: from Lenox, Massachusetts. Put some parentheses independent to say check

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Speaker 1: one factor in the twenty twenty four election that is

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Speaker 1: under discussed. Trump began his re election campaign literally the

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Speaker 1: day after the twenty twenty election and operated his campaign

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Speaker 1: in overdrive for four years, with continuous travel and rallies.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone ever done that before? Maybe that high energy

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Speaker 1: commitment was a significant factor in growing his base. In

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Speaker 1: in light of that, Kamala's argument that she only had

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sven days might be very valid and

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Speaker 1: shouldn't someone on the left be on the trail full

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Speaker 1: time now for the twenty twenty eight contests. Rich Leiterman

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Speaker 1: from Lenox, mass Independent, Well, you're not wrong. There's actually

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, I can give you two

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Speaker 1: great examples of being the first one out of the gate,

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Speaker 1: essentially at least getting you into the finals of your

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Speaker 1: nominating process. In nineteen ninety two, there was a former

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Speaker 1: one term senator from Massachusetts by the name of Paul

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Speaker 1: Tassongas I say to Songus because the first time, you're like,

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Speaker 1: who's this guy? TS? How do you say his name?

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Speaker 1: And he was kind of quirky, and you're I used

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Speaker 1: to do with Paul Songus impersonation kind of you just

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Speaker 1: curbit the frog meets Paul Songus for the two of

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Speaker 1: listeners out there, Steve Bilifer, you'll appreciate that attempt there.

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Speaker 1: But look, he was running, like in nineteen ninety no

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Speaker 1: one else was out there running. He was running, and

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Speaker 1: then lo and behold, he eventually became essentially one of

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Speaker 1: the final one of the finalists, and he was sort

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Speaker 1: of the the truly out of nowhere candidate in ninety

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Speaker 1: two that caught just enough fire to to become a

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Speaker 1: problem for Bill Clinton on that front. And then Howard Dean.

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Speaker 1: Howard Dean sort of got in the race a lot

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Speaker 1: earlier than anybody else did back in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: I think he announced, like if I remember in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, and essentially was running much earlier than

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Speaker 1: everybody else in the four race and it and it

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Speaker 1: certainly got him a head start, and you know, he

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Speaker 1: was the front runneruntil he wasn't right. You know, they

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Speaker 1: made a few miscalculations there and I won. It all

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Speaker 1: sort of collapsed, but it sort of does I sort

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Speaker 1: of look, I'm not going to sit here and concede

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Speaker 1: that Trump ran off four years. What I do think

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Speaker 1: what the brilliant tactic that Trump did that that sort

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Speaker 1: of totally I think totally screwed up any any hope that,

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Speaker 1: frankly a lot of us had that Republicans would find

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Speaker 1: a different candidate other than him. Is he chose to

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Speaker 1: announce if you remember, he announced right after the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two mid terms, he did the he so he

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Speaker 1: was the first one in the race, officially in the race,

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Speaker 1: I hear. I take your point that he was saying

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Speaker 1: he certainly was running, but you know that's not new

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Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, to sort of spend the

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Speaker 1: first two years kind of acting like a candidate, and

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Speaker 1: he was sort of more more outsized than most. But

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Speaker 1: remember he announced sort of within almost like a he

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Speaker 1: knew he was about to get indicted for the particularly

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Speaker 1: for the classified I think it was for the classified documents,

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Speaker 1: and Jack, you know, this is pre Jack Smith, and

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Speaker 1: what happened was he was under investigation by the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department already. By announcing it forced Merrick Garland to have

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Speaker 1: to name a special council. And what happened then is

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Speaker 1: that the minute he named a special counsel for Trump,

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Speaker 1: he had no choice but to name a special council

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Speaker 1: for all things Biden. In that case, it was the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden situation. And I do believe that was the

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Speaker 1: moment Trump won the race. Now when you look back,

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Speaker 1: and that's when the Democrats lost it because it sort

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Speaker 1: of it for you know, Garland, you know, slow walked

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Speaker 1: those investigations into Trump and we can have a debate.

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Speaker 1: I saw Matt Romney came out again the other day

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Speaker 1: and said that he had suggested to Biden that, you know,

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Speaker 1: why does any why didn't he pardoned Trump. I always

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Speaker 1: thought of Biden had won reelection, that Biden would have

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Speaker 1: pardoned Trump, but he wasn't going to do it until

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Speaker 1: after he won reelection. I I that is one of

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Speaker 1: those It's not a what if I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: for this year, but it's one of my what ifs

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Speaker 1: that I've wondered. If what if Biden had simply pardoned

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Speaker 1: Trump and there was no federal investigations. You know, how

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Speaker 1: does that change things with the general public? Not necessarily

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Speaker 1: does that? Does that you know? Uh, does that take

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the edge off of his martyrdom,

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Speaker 1: which I think he successfully and I think by by

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Speaker 1: forcing the Justice Department's hands to go with special prosecutor

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Speaker 1: having to sort of, you know, not look like they

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Speaker 1: were politically involved, which seems laughable considering what Trump has

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Speaker 1: done to the Justice Department just in eight short months,

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Speaker 1: I mean, completely eviscerating any credibility that the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: wants to at in this space. It looks really dumb

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Speaker 1: in hindsight, But that moment right the most it's the

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Speaker 1: most clever thing Trump did was forcing the hand knowing

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Speaker 1: that Garland was a sort of a boy scout on

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Speaker 1: this stuff and was going to be like, we got

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Speaker 1: to name a special counsel, which means got to do this,

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Speaker 1: We got to steers far away from this as we

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Speaker 1: possibly can, which was the right thing to do, the

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Speaker 1: adult in the room type of decision. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's was the exploitive point there. Now, to go to

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Speaker 1: your other point, I if I were, it depends who

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Speaker 1: you are, whether it's good to run early if you're

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Speaker 1: less known, right, if you were, if you're a Pete Bootage,

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Speaker 1: you've got to almost be running three years early, right,

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Speaker 1: And he kind of did in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And you know, by the time the campaign itself started,

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Speaker 1: he was he was, he was in. He was in

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Speaker 1: playoff shape. While the other candidates who got in later,

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Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren and even Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: they were they were still trying to get into game

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Speaker 1: shape right during the campaign. You know, let me let's

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Speaker 1: say at James Tollerico, were was interested in running for president,

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Speaker 1: He's decided he's going to run for Senate, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be one of the sort

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Speaker 1: of what Beto O'Rourke was in eighteen is what Tolerico

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Speaker 1: will be nationally to fund to many national Democrats in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Let's say he was going to run

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Speaker 1: for president, Well, he would be one that you would

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Speaker 1: say you'd want to start early, right. Jimmy Carter started

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Speaker 1: in seventy three, started running for president in seventy six.

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Speaker 1: So the more of an unknown quantity you are the

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Speaker 1: more it behooves you to start earlier. Right that, right,

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Speaker 1: the governor of Vermont, and Howard Dean, the former Senator

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Speaker 1: of Massachusetts, and pauls Angus, the former governor of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and Jimmy Carter. Right, we certainly have seen that that's

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Speaker 1: the case on that front. So let you know, I

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Speaker 1: saw that the governor of Hawaii had thrown his name

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Speaker 1: in the presidential ring, Josh Green. He'd be the type. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you run for president as a

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Speaker 1: sitting governor from Ohio and it takes you five hours

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Speaker 1: to get to the mainland. I just think logistically it's

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Speaker 1: a huge problem. You kind of probably have to be

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Speaker 1: a former governor of Hawaii of Hawaii to do that.

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Speaker 1: But it would be a candidate like that who isn't

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Speaker 1: yet even that well known to donors that I think

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Speaker 1: they would benefit the most going super early. But I

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Speaker 1: certainly think that there's no there's only upside to doing this.

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Speaker 1: There's a million podcasters out there ready to ready to

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Speaker 1: interview these folks and all this. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: never been easier to run for president early because there's

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Speaker 1: interviews that you can have happen there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: batting practice you can take to get yourself prepared. All right,

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chris K says, Hey, Chuck, love

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Speaker 1: the football segments. Thanks. Iowa snagged a shout out. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we played spoiler to my question, what is your take

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Speaker 1: on the current state of centralized databases to update our

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Speaker 1: voter roles? And I think I know where you're going here.

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Speaker 1: I listened to a podcast not too long ago about

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Speaker 1: some states opting out of the use of ERIC for

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Speaker 1: privacy concerns. Maybe that is a fair argument. However, those

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Speaker 1: states have opted to use a database developed by Doge.

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Speaker 1: Jumping to today meaning last Friday, the dj is suing

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Speaker 1: some states for incomplete voter roles. It all sounds like

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Speaker 1: ingredients to build the perception of voter fraud and cast

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Speaker 1: down on the results. Chris K South Carolina. I saw

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Speaker 1: those two and there's definitely feels like a political filter

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Speaker 1: on what the Justice Department doing. Right. They're specifically targeting

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Speaker 1: democratic states on this stuff, particularly the Democratic controlled swing states.

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Speaker 1: I you know, the reason why so many of us

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Speaker 1: are so confident that it is hard to essentially steal

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Speaker 1: an election in American politics is actually how decentralized our

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Speaker 1: voting system is right, And the more centralized we do everything,

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Speaker 1: the more we put ourselves at risk to fraud and manipulation. Right,

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Speaker 1: And it's little things. Whether we physically bring ballots to

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Speaker 1: a central counting location like is done in Milwaukee, Atlanta, Detroit,

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Speaker 1: I think, Philadelphia, I think that's a bad idea. Right,

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Speaker 1: You put all those ballots in one place, and like

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Speaker 1: in the TV shows Succession, what if somebody decides to

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00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: start a fire and the ballots are just missing and

854
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: you don't know what to do. So the point is,

855
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: anytime you centralize any of this stuff, you put it

856
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: more at risk for manipulation, for fraud, or even for

857
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: accidental for an accident like or not an accident like

858
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: what was done in Succession there certainly seems to be

859
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: it is a it. What they're doing at the Justice

860
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: Department feels it feels a little suspicious, and so I

861
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: understand the distrust that's out there between the Blue States.

862
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: So I look, I think I think the argument should

863
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: be be careful of centralizing any of this. This allows

864
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: for a target from whether it's the Chinese, the Russians,

865
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: or someone domestically in areas to potentially manipulate, duplicate, manipulate,

866
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: or duplicate our voter rolls in ways that could you know,

867
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: imagine you could imagine how a voter, you know, how

868
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: you could depress turnout right by disqualifying voters because maybe

869
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: you maybe somebody requests an absentee ballot in my name.

870
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know I had an absentee ballot request. I

871
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: go to vote and they tell me, no, you requested

872
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: an absentee ballot. We have it right here, So you

873
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: can't you know, we've in fact, you've already voted. What

874
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: do you mean I didn't vote? Well, yes she did,

875
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: it says so here right. That would be something that

876
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: would you know, the type of issue that I think

877
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: we would need to be concerned about. So it's this

878
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: centralization that I think is is what creates the vulnerability here.

879
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: And the reason why it is so hard to manipulate

880
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: to do what Trump claimed happened in twenty twenty is

881
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: because as our system is so it's not just state based.

882
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: In many states, it's different by counting in how voter

883
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: roles are treated and stuff, and that is again it

884
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: creates some inefficiencies on election night with counting, but that

885
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: is actually what gives us, gives us more security and

886
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: makes it harder to actually manipulate our election. You might

887
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: be able to successfully ballot stuff in a congressional district

888
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: in North Carolina like has happened, or a mayor's race

889
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: in Miami, which has happened, but it's much harder to

890
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: do systematically because of our decentralized system. So anytime we're

891
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: centralizing things more, it actually makes the possibility of manipulation

892
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: easier and greater. So appreciate the question, because now you

893
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: got me a much more worried about this than I

894
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: hadn't been. So thanks, Chris, appreciate that. All right, I'll

895
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: do one more question, actually two more questions here. I

896
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: love the podcast. I stopped listening to anything political after

897
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: the election. I refused to even watch the news. Slowly

898
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: I re engage found your podcast and how you are

899
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: able to explain both sides us both sides to us

900
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: is refreshing. My question is why do government workers get

901
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: back pay after shutdowns? If they are not working, they

902
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: are not producing. In my opinion, they should not get

903
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: paid in a normal business. Perhaps the loss productivity could

904
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: be made up with overtime, but in government, I doubt

905
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: the loss production is ever made up. I don't want

906
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: anyone going without pay, but maybe the fear of government

907
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: workers not getting paid should be a consideration and whether

908
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: or not to shut down. I love the show Ryan,

909
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: Well was I was, so now that I'm getting to

910
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: your question, you'll have heard me talk about how actually,

911
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: in some ways, the promise of pay is to encourage

912
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: some workers to go ahead and work because you're gonna

913
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: get paid, right. That's how they get TSA. We get

914
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: some I think it's anywhere from sixty to seventy percent

915
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: of the government is functioning right now because you have

916
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: workers who are told that they, hey, you have to work.

917
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: You know you're going to get paid, and the back pay

918
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: is coming. So that's why guaranteeing the back pay was

919
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: put in. It's essentially just so, this is why we've

920
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: got to just get rid of the whole The whole

921
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: shutdown thing is absurd, right and ridiculous, because we know,

922
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: you know, if we actually followed the letter of the law,

923
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: then then nobody would be flying today, right. There'd be

924
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: no air traffic controllers and no TSA agents showing up

925
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: to work because they don't get paid right now, they're

926
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: going to get back pay. They've been guaranteed the back pay.

927
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: They've been convinced to come into work, and they've been

928
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: told they have to work because they're going to get

929
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: paid and they don't want to risk losing their job.

930
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: But they're not going to get paid until the government

931
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: but they won't actually get the money until the government

932
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: is open. So this is why it's not fully clean.

933
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I totally understand where you're going, which is if you

934
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: don't do the work, you shouldn't get paid. At the

935
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: same time, it's not their fault that they didn't shut

936
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: the government down. It's the idiot politicians that have allowed

937
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: this to happen. And I say allow this to happen again.

938
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: There is no law that says you're the government is

939
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: not allowed to operate without uh, you know, without without

940
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: a budget. Here, they've just decided that this is the

941
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: way it's going to work on an annual basis. They

942
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: also arbitrarily decided, since it's a trust fund, that Social

943
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: Security doesn't have to operate under a similar way. So

944
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: it's the back pay was a way to essentially make

945
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: it easier to force government workers to work when they

946
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: weren't going to get a paycheck on a timely basis,

947
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: So that's why they get the guaranteed back pay. Yes,

948
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: there are some people where the productivity is never made up,

949
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: but then there are other people like TSA agents have

950
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: a there's certain food inspectors where they're still going to

951
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: do the job because they've accepted the premise that they

952
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: will get paid and they kind of have to. If

953
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: they don't, they risk getting fired for not doing their job.

954
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: So that's why the back pay is there. But all

955
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: of this is inefficient, right, It's it's ridiculous, it's inefficient,

956
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: and it just shouldn't you know. The functional and pragmatic

957
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: way to do this is with the various proposals that

958
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: are out there of the no shutdown side, and I

959
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: think the best one is automatic one percent cutting, you know,

960
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: cutting the budget for every ten days that they don't

961
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: meet the deadline for their appropriations. Right. That seems like

962
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: a win win for everybody potentially, and it puts it,

963
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, in theory. Right, Democrats don't want to agree

964
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: to that because they think there'll be too many Republicans

965
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: that will be okay with that. But if it's across

966
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: the board. Right, there'll be Republicans that won't like defense

967
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: cuts happening that way, right, these you know, you've got

968
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: to sort of create an incentive to get these bills passed.

969
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: But sort of disrupting the American taxpayers' lives seems like

970
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: the dumbest version of creating the urgency to force UH

971
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: to force these guys to do their job. But appreciate

972
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: the comments and and get I get the premise. But

973
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: again it goes back to and in many cases, maybe

974
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: if all these TSA agents and air traffic controllers decide

975
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: to call in sick, take some sick days, which they

976
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: are you know, permitted to do, maybe that forces everybody realized, oh,

977
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we can't have if the if the

978
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: airports stop working, then the public will pay attenpt you know,

979
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: then the public will be mad at everybody, right, and

980
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody will pay a political price. I'm going to take

981
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: this one last question here because it's a shorty. It's

982
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: a quickie, and it goes like this. If Josh Bureau

983
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: dominates his twenty six reelection, could he eclipse Gavin Moore

984
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: and Kamala in the twenty eight them primary because of

985
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: elect maybe right Ron DeSantis dominated though in Florida, and

986
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: it didn't it got them, you know, he it got

987
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: him close to being a front runner for a day,

988
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: right he was. There was sort of a three month

989
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: period there at the start of twenty twenty twenty three

990
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: where he and Trump were neck and neck and all

991
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: these GOP primary polls, and it was due to his

992
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: incredible reelection. So I think it would I do think

993
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: a dominant reelection of fifteen point victory, right, any double

994
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: digit victory in the swing state of Pennsylvania, I certainly

995
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: think that will be a pretty good a pretty good

996
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: way to but it it will depend on how everything

997
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: else looks, right, is it a you know, DeSantis was

998
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: advantaged even more temporarily. It's he had a great night

999
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: when the rest of the party didn't. What does the

1000
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: rest of the Democratic performance look like, right in comparison

1001
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: to Shapiro's performance, if that is indeed the case, And

1002
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: he certainly looks like he's got that horseshoe somewhere in

1003
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: his in his world, because the fact that he may

1004
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: get the looney guy as his as his opponent again,

1005
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: is was it? Mastriano is pretty good luck and certainly

1006
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: a recipe for potentially winning by double digits. But you know,

1007
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Wes Moore could end up winning by double digits too,

1008
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: and we'll see. I think it really, you know, it's funny.

1009
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I do believe twenty six will have a psychological impact

1010
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: on at least the donors, on who's considered a front

1011
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: runner or not. I think if Democrats, if progressives, if

1012
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: progressive nominees lose key swing states in twenty six, Andy

1013
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: Basheer suddenly gets a bump in this conversation, right, and

1014
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, especially if he's performing better than some of

1015
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: the progressive sides. But if a bunch of progressives do

1016
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: really well and win races, that could be a boon

1017
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: for somebody on the more liberal side of things. Maybe

1018
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: it's a Gavin maybe, And if what if Gavin is

1019
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: Seine is the here, you know, they win the House

1020
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: and Gavan is Seine is the hero that helped the

1021
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: Democrats get control of the House of Representatives. So there's

1022
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: there's different scenarios here. But you paint a you paint

1023
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: one that's not that's not crazy, which is a dominant

1024
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: Shapiro performance, particularly if the rest of the Democratic Party

1025
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: isn't having as good of a knight. I could see

1026
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: that having a huge impact at least in the donor

1027
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: community on that, and I do believe that. Look, electability

1028
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: is always a factor in Democratic presidential primaries more than

1029
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: it is in Republican presidential primaries. But do remember, everybody's

1030
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: definition of electability is different. That's a hugely subjective thing

1031
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: because there was a time you know one. So that's yes,

1032
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: electability matters, but every voter sort of weighs it slightly differently.

1033
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: All right with that, I am let me do it

1034
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: quick before I sign off. I am my third straight weekend.

1035
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see if I'm going to get tired

1036
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: of being on planes. But my third straight football weekend.

1037
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: This is This was the post Meet the Press lifestyle

1038
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to the most. The ability to

1039
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: actually go to live sporting events that take place on weekends.

1040
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: It's very exciting for me. So I am headed to

1041
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: the Miami Florida State Game. I have done two Miami

1042
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: Florida State Games in person in the past. One both

1043
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: were Miami victories, so I have that going for me.

1044
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: One was in the pouring rain, it was in the

1045
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: for you Florida State fans. It was the Chris Ricks era.

1046
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: I think he had seven thousand turnovers that day. But

1047
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: somehow Miami also botched. I think they botched an extra point.

1048
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite a wide rite, but it was sort

1049
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: of a botched extra point. It was a game neither

1050
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: team should deserve to win, if I remember on that one.

1051
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: But my first ever visit to Tallahassee was during the

1052
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: eighty seven championship run and Miami was down nineteen to

1053
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: three going into the fourth quarter and won the game

1054
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: twenty six twenty five after batting away a two point

1055
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: conversion at the end when Florida State was trying to

1056
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: go for the win. But Florida State blew a nineteen

1057
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: to three lead in the fourth quarter. I was sitting

1058
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: in the end zone, seats twenty six to twenty five.

1059
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: It was that was at the time, the most thrilling

1060
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: road game I'd ever attended, and a pretty cool, pretty

1061
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: cool moment. I'm looking forward I have. This is the renewed,

1062
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: refurbished Doake Campbell Stadium. I hair it's really nice. I'm

1063
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: looking forward to it, and I'm certainly scared that Florida

1064
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: State lost that game to UVA last Friday, because now

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: this is this is a desperate Florida State team. They

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: lose this, they're out of the playoff hunt without somehow

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 1: winning the ACC title. Because I think we learned ten

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: and two ACC teams and ten and two Big twelve

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: teams that do not get the automatic berth are not

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01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: going to get invited to the ACC, to the esp

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: AT Invitational that's known as the College Football Playoff Big ten,

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: ten and two Big ten schools and ten and two

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01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: SEC schools will get invited. Ten and two ACC schools

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: will not. The number one offense in the country last

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: year arguably should have looked they played themselves out of

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: it with that stupid loss to Syracuse. But had ten

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the same in ten and two record out of the

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01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: other two conferences, they would have been in the playoff

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01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: and probably, you know, certainly would have been entertaining, probably

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01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: more entertaining participant than a couple of the other teams

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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: that were invited Indiana in that front or an SMU,

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: but it was what it was on that front. So

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: Florida State has to win because a second loss and

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, it just it's gonna you know, they'll look

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: for stay when thirteen and Zine couldn't get an invite

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: to the ESPN Invitational. So we know that the ten

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: and two records are tough. So needless to say, I'm

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: really nervous about this game. This is Miami's first road

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: game of the year. Yes, we could technically survive a loss,

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01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not about surviving any losses. I think they're

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01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: I think all the Miami doubters and all the doubts

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01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: about Miami that have sort of been embedded in so

1093
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: many people's heads over the last twenty years come back

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: big time if somehow Miami doesn't win this game. But

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I feel confidence is the wrong word.

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01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: I feel reassured about Miami's chances because of how this

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: team is built. They're built on the offensive and defensive

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: lines that travels. Your offensive line and defensive line travels.

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01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes your quarterbacks don't travel, sometimes your play calling doesn't travel.

1100
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: But the trenches travel, and so that's why I have

1101
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure Florida State has the same mass

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: of bodies in the trenches that they had two years

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: ago when they were arguably one of the two best teams,

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01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: two best teams in the Country. The other game that

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm most obsessed with that isn't the Miami game is

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01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: Texas Visit to Florida. Sorry Mark Murray, but I am

1107
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: really nervous about your Texas Longhorns down there. The Gators

1108
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 1: are a desperate team, Sun, but Billy's a desperate team.

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01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: They're a really good defensive team. If Texas can't move

1110
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: the ball and it's a one score game, anything can happen.

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: Anything can happen in a one score game. But I

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01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: think it's the most interesting game after the Miami Florida

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: State game. I'm not sure. I'm I'm not sure. I

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: think Alabama. I think Alabama. I'm more confident in Alabama

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: against Vandy this year than I would have been even

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01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. I just think that they know that

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: there are seasons on the line this time. I think

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01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: there's extra focus, right. I can't imagine any that Vanderbilt

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: sneaking up on them this time, So I'm sort of

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty bearish on Vandy's chances. I love me some

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: Diego Pavia, don't get me wrong, And I love watching

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01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt make all these big SEC schools sweat. But I'm

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: weirdly I have a feeling Bama just Bama's them up.

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: Maybe not, we'll see, right, this will be they blow this,

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: then all the Kalin de board douters will come back.

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01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: It's like it's one thing to beat Georgia. Yes, that's

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: good that you did that, but you gotta win the

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: games you're supposed to win to truly satisfy your fan base.

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: It's when you lose games you're not supposed to lose

1130
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: that they really get ticked off. You know the reason

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: James Franklin still has a job at Penn State. He

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01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: never loses games he's not supposed to win. And in fact,

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: that's my other He goes out to Ucla watch Penn

1134
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: State put up a fifty burger on Ucla to sort

1135
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: of get out their frustrations of blowing that game against Oregon.

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01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: So there's my many little college football preview. I am

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: hoping for no rain because that's no fun. I don't

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01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: want that. I got too much rain during the Miami

1139
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: Florida game and I may have brought a cold home.

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping for some cleaner weather because I have

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: a feeling if there's clean weather, then it could be

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: a very exciting and entertaining Miami Florida State game, and

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01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: we will everybody can go and have fun. Flashbacks to

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: the early nineties and the early odds when Miami Florida

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01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: State arguably was the most fun college football rivalry to

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: watch on the national stage. It was, for a brief

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: period of time, more important and more fun than Michigan,

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State or Auburn Alabama. There's a chance that this

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01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: year Miami Florida State is back in that echelon of

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: impactful and fun rivalry games. So we shall see. I

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: always root for the Knowles every year to go eleven

1152
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: and one, and this week they better. Now I'm rooting

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01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: form to Co ten and two. Sorry, sorry to my

1154
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: to all my Florida State fans out there. That means

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01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: you missus Todd and from there, I will see you

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: in seventy two hours. And while I don't think the

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: government will be opened by then, I do think the

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: government is opened by the end of next week and

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Speaker 1: with that until I upload again.