1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Spooky. All right, we're done. Um, Hello everybody, welcome back 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: to the show that this is on the week that 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: this is, which is the spooky week of the year 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: where things are spooky. Today, my guest Katie Golden. Katie, 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: say hello to the audience. Hello, audience, now say goodbye. 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Okay by audience. Now tell the audience that acts of 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: industrial sabotage are always morally justified in defense of the 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: climate uh acts of Wait, okay, so are you do 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: you guys have a team of lawyers that I can 10 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: access or absolutely, they say it's fine. They say it's fine. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: If you tell people that then you know, industrial sabotui 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. He said, it's cool. I love it, all right, everybody. 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made that kind of aim, but but 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: you heard Katie, so you know, there you go. We've 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: now made a full throated defense of the Niger Delta Avengers. 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: That is true. That is an upcoming episode. Chris, Um, Katie, 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: what do you? What do you do? What do we? 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: What are we? What are we? What are we? What 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: are we? What are We're all? Star? Dust Robert, Okay, 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: well that sounds soothing. Actually, Well well, first, Katie of 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: of of the Golden's is the host of Creature You 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: right for some more news. You're the host of Creature feature. 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: Jesus Sophie, you gotta remember these things. Um M, everything's 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: always beful. What are we? What are we doing today? 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: What do you got? What? What are what's happening? I mean, 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: this is your podcast. But I thought, all right, fine, 27 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: it's my podcast. Now, welcome to it could happen. We 28 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: are hosted by Katie. I thought we could talk. I 29 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: thought we could talk about animals because I like animals. 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: All right, you got a spooky thing about an animal 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: for us? Yeah, I thought, because the theme of your 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: podcast seems to be, you know, sort of the future 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: and how things could get pretty fucky in the future, 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: and I thought, there are some examples of things getting 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: fucky with animals in the current present. That seems to 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: it could maybe be a bit of a crystal ball 37 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: for things that could happen in the future with climate change. 38 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: That is kind of spooky. All right, let's do it. 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of the saiga antelope? I mean, 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: I've heard of antelopes, and I've heard of the saiga, 41 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: And I guess I'm not surprised that there's antelopes in 42 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: the Saiga. Do me a quick favor and just google 43 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Siga antelope and just take a gander. Take them all 44 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: in as I I'll describe them to the audio. Oh wow, Yeah, 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: they are kind of some of the cutest, dufiest little 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: in the world. Little little they have the best little face. 47 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: I know, it's weird. It looks like just too it's 48 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: just a big nose. Yeah, it's just a big ridiculous nose. 49 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: My god, that nose looks silly. They must be endangered 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: because they look they look like they're terrible at staying alive. 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: Their their faces all nose. It's like someone's whole face 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: was just a nose, like someone struck an ant eater 53 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: to Like, Yeah, they look delicious. I'm just gonna say it. 54 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I would hunt them and eat them. They kind of 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: like did it with Voldemort's nostrils in the Harry Potter movie. 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: But like long, Yeah, they look ridiculous. Yes, they like 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: a Star Wars animal. Yea. Some of them they're patterning 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: makes it look like they have tear drop tattoos under 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: their eyes, which I think means they've all killed someone 60 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: in prison. If I'm remembering go hard correctly. Yeah. Anyways, 61 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: want are you going to tell something that is happening 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: with them? Katie? Yes? Are they racist? Are these racist antelope? Katie, 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna milkshake duct these antelopes. Yeah, they're they're all 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: um as far as I know, they're not too racist. 65 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: They have some problematic views on like, you know, gender abortion. Yeah, 66 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: that's I mean, all antelope have really regressive attitudes towards 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: women's reproductive health, I mean frustrating. Yeah, yeah, it's a 68 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: but these guys look like Star Wars animals. To me, 69 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: they kind of look like a Star Wars animal named 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: like a grass honker or something. Yeah, they look extremely fake. 71 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: It's looks like a guy you'd meet at the bar 72 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: where the Aliens played jizz. Yes, that type of music 73 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: that Katie's doing is canonically and if you and if 74 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: you are if you, if you are a musician who 75 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: plays jiz, you are a jiz whaler. And the best 76 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: thing about that is that I know all of the 77 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: thought that George Lucas put to that was, Oh, someone 78 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: asked what the type of music they played in the 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: jazz Jazz is a real kind of music. Let me 80 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: just put an eye in the vowel. Now, well, that's 81 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: gonna be the day for me. He didn't even put 82 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: an apostrophe in which it could have it could have, 83 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: it could have been, didn't even the effort wasn't there 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: because okay, sorry no, I could talk about this for hours. 85 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: I just the differences between J. K. Rowling and and 86 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: George Lucas as creators who both made very popular fiction 87 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: franchises and want people to think they thought about them 88 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: more than they did, is absolutely hysterical because J. K. 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: Rowling does that by creating all these convoluted backstories, and 90 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: George Lucas replaced the A and jazz with an eye 91 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: and didn't realize that a thing. Right, what an incredible person. 92 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: It is pretty good. Sorry, Katie, No, it's fine. It's fine. 93 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: So these Psyga antelope a k. A. Jiz whalers are 94 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: found in the grasslands and semi deserts in Central Asia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, 95 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: and Turkmenistan. They actually used to have a much wider range, 96 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: but because of all the Roberts out there wanting to 97 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: taste their delicious, delicious meat, h hunting just that nose 98 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: on a plate. Their population declined and it's now limited 99 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: to a small territory. So yeah, so there's still enough 100 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: for meat to eat a couple. No, Robert, if you 101 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: try to kill one, I'll kill you first. Siga antelope hunting, 102 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: we have to we have to protect the jiz whalers. 103 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: They look they look stupid as shit. It can't possibly 104 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: be good at stuff. Actually, what that knows? I bet 105 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: their senses are. They could do a lot of interesting things. Yeah, anybody, 106 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: let Katie tell the story. You interpreting fox go, Sorry, 107 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: we all got not so it's okay, it's I understand 108 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: the excitement about these guys. Um. I do want to 109 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: paint a mental picture for the audience just so they 110 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: get like why people are freaking out. So they have 111 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: this elephant, like imagine a little antelope, and they're they're small. 112 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: They're about two to three ft tall, about six pounds. Yeah, 113 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: they're little babies. And it looks like you took like 114 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: a cute little deer and just glued like a big 115 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: elephant nose to it. It's not as long as an 116 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: elephant trunk, but it's sort of a like a It 117 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: curls under like an elephant seal nose stuck to a 118 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: little deer, and that snout is called a proboscis, And yeah, 119 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: it's a they're kind of a they have sort of 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: a light tan white coat. Uh, they can get really 121 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: fluffy in the winter. Uh. They have these really huge 122 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: tubular nostrils on that nose, and that gigantic honker helps 123 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: them filter dirt as the huge herds sort of trample 124 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: on the ground and kick up dirt clouds um. And 125 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: it can also act as an ac unit that cools 126 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: the Saga antelopes blood. So as blood flows through it, 127 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: you have this spacious chamber and it cools the blood 128 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: and it recirculates. And then in the winter it can 129 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: act as a space heater that warms the air before 130 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: they breathe it in so ac heater. Yeah, filter system. 131 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: It's really a cool nose, which is why it was 132 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: absolutely horrifying when entire herds of the Saga antelope started 133 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: dropping dead on mass within like days of each other, 134 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: just like a biblical plague. So there are photos. What's 135 00:08:51,480 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: properly unbelievable. You're so embarrassing sometimes, Katie, I'm so sorry. No, 136 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's fine. Um, I'm I mean, I don't 137 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: know how else to sort of add levity to just 138 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: the most adorable little antelope in the world just all 139 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: suddenly dying. Uh. There. So there are photos in Kazakhstans 140 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: of in Kazakhstan of these fields just littered with these 141 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: white lumps, and when you zoom in you realize they're 142 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: all saga antelope corpses just covering the ground. It's pretty 143 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: bone chilling. It kind of looks okay, this is a 144 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. It kind of looks like a cult death, 145 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: a mass cult death, like Jonestown antelope. Oh boy. I 146 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: was gonna say, when you go grenade fishing, but yeah, 147 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: same kind of idea grenade fishing. Yeah, what does you 148 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: drop a grenade in a lake and then it kills 149 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: all the fish and they float to the top so 150 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: you can Okay, I thought it was like you were 151 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: fishing for like running around a field going like that 152 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: a grenade. If you go fishing in a lake where 153 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: people go grenade fishing, you may in fact catch a grenade. 154 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: But but two grenades with one stone. Wow, kind of 155 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm having this image of bobbing for apples, but like 156 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: above the apple yu with lakes in Iraq? Is it 157 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: because they've got grenades in them? Yeah? I don't really, 158 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: that's how you fish. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm still obsession 159 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: looking at these pictures. Okay, so what what caused all this? 160 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: This this nightmare plague that killed all of the all 161 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: of the weird nos the gonzo antelope, right, the gonzo antelope. 162 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: It was kind of a mystery. So in two hundred 163 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: thousand siged died off in that year alone, and literally 164 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: not that many, So I got that. Yeah, it was 165 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: like the it wiped out the majority of the global 166 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: population because they were already endangered. Um. Yeah, they just 167 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: like keeled over died without explanation, and so researchers were 168 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: obviously horrified and confused and slightly curious and start that's left. 169 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so they're like a hundred thousand left. Um. 170 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: And so they started investigating the mass deaths and they 171 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: found that the cause was a bacterial infection of pastor 172 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Ella multosita type B bacteria, which is really catchy name um. 173 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:46,119 Speaker 1: And it caused hemorrhagic septicemia um, which is a horrible 174 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: I looked up the symptoms. It's like internal bleeding and 175 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: just it's like the worst cold ever, but also with 176 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: your organs bleeding inside, which doesn't sound great. It sounds 177 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: and honestly looks captain trips, like the plague from Stephen 178 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: King's The Stand that killed all of the people. Like 179 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: just this horrible plague that makes everybody bleed out and 180 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: drop where they're standing. Yeah, that's essentially what it happened. 181 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: What happens also with a lot of snot like a 182 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of ye that's also very captain trips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 183 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean maybe that yeah yeah, so meat fun. So yeah. 184 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: What is thought to have happened is that basically, this 185 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: bacteria pastor Ella has often been found in siga antelope 186 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: large noses. They're also found in other like a yellow 187 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: noses that have big these big sort of proboscus noses, 188 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: and it lives in there. But it's normally not a 189 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: problem because the immune system is able to fight it 190 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: off fine and maintains his balance. But the climate, I 191 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have heard, but climate is 192 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: kind of getting weird, like that is something I've I've 193 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: heard of, Yeah, learning about it. It may be it 194 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: may be changing from what it used to be. A 195 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, it's called change of climate kind of 196 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: on a global scale, everything getting slightly warmer, Yeah, usually 197 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: climate hottening climate. Because of climate hottening, this bacteria, it 198 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: had much more ideal, uh, kind of of an environment 199 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: to grow. So inside the beautiful proboscis of the antelope, 200 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: you can imagine, it's moist, it's warm, it's great. It's 201 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: moister with fester inside the nose right exactly. And so 202 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: when it gets more humid on the outside, more hot 203 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: and humid, that nose increases in temperature as well, and 204 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: it became the perfect incubator for hosting this bacteria such 205 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: that it overwhelmed the antelopes immune system and literally they 206 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: just started dropping like flies from this in action, like 207 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: an entire herd dying within a couple of days. When 208 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: when you first mentioned this, you're talking about how they 209 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: can use their nose as like an air conditioner. I 210 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: was thinking like, oh, maybe maybe these animals will be 211 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: like well adapt to climate change so they can stuff regulate. 212 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: But no, of course not. Of course it's not a 213 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: good story. Um Now, I think that's what's so creepy 214 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,479 Speaker 1: about climate change to me is there's like the obvious 215 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: effects are things like more fire, we get real hot 216 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: and we die because it's too hot. But things like oh, 217 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: this means bacteria loves loves living life and like starts 218 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: eating us from the inside out. Like that's not a 219 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: really I guess intuitive consequence of global warming, but it 220 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: is one of the things that seems to be likely 221 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: to happen. So it's really creepy. Well it's fun is 222 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: when you started this and talked about like a whole 223 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: herd of of of these antelopes dropping at once, I 224 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be like, oh, another one 225 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: of those like horrible sulfur bubbles that killed like the 226 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: cities where of animals in a matter of seconds because 227 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of ice melted um. And I'm not sure 228 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: which is creepier. Actually this is worse moment, Like they 229 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: died in like horrible pain. Yeah, I don't think the 230 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: sulfur wasn't painful, but yeah, but they're both horrifying. The 231 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: sulfur is at least faster. They're both very frightening. And 232 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: it's also both things that like oh yeah that could 233 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: that could that could drop some people that could just 234 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: jump right across. There's there's a couple of ways this 235 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: could go bad for us. This is the thing me 236 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: and Robert was looking a little bit into to put 237 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: together the first five scripted episodes of The Daily As 238 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: we in a few books we read, there were there 239 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: were there were sections, like large sections about how this 240 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: is gonna basically just make plagues be a thing forever. Now, Yeah, 241 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: this is gonna be hard for people to really get 242 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: their heads around. But imagine a plague hit in in 243 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: in the twenty onet century. How scary that would be 244 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: just really trying to get your head around that global plague. Yeah, 245 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: people drop into frightening, you know. So the coronavirus on viruses, 246 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: technically it's not a plague, right because it's not bati bacteria. 247 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's viral. A lot of people a plague 248 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's both both both Like viral pathogens 249 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: bacterial pathogens are with with globalization, can spread it much faster, right, 250 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: And now with global warming there's gonna be more breeding 251 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: ground for literally new bacterias. And this is and with 252 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: with stuff melting in the ice captain all the kind 253 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: of stuff. There's just a lot of reasons to just 254 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: assume that Yeah, we're just gonna kind of live with 255 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: plugues constantly being a problem now, Like it's that's just 256 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: the were there there. There never is going to be 257 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: a post COVID nineteen world. It's just this forever. COVID 258 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: was just the first plague that really got through the 259 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: defenses that we're never going to hold up to the 260 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: damage we're doing to the climate. Like there were a 261 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: couple of plagues beforehand that like we we were able 262 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: to kind of tamp down on get a lit on, 263 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: and COVID was just the system actually finally shattering and 264 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: it's never gonna get fixed. And the leagues you're just 265 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: gonna get play gear and uh, it'll be fun. But 266 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: on the other side, on the upside, here's some mats. Okay, Yeah, 267 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: on the upside, capitalism we are back. I've unfortunately I've 268 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: got to the point where I'm scrolling through these pictures 269 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: where I've now found the mountain of dead animals. Yeah, 270 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: it's real, fucking the stand ship. Yeah, it's a lot 271 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: of them, a lot of them dead, just in giant pile. 272 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: Like imagine the cutest Sesame street character, cuter than Snuffle 273 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: Up a guess, just lying in heaps, and that big 274 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: nose has to make him extra vulnerable to fucking horrible 275 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: nose bacteria. That's when we were just talking about it's 276 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: literally big nose. That's just what we said, Kate, you 277 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: just explained that. I know. But it's so sad. It 278 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: is very sad. It's very sad. And there there's this 279 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: is not an isolated case that will never happen again. 280 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: Researchers warm that it's very likely stuff like this will 281 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: keep happening with climate change, and they're warning that reindeer 282 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: populations are at risk because reindeer actually also have a 283 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: really even though it doesn't seem like they have a 284 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: huge prick boss, because they have a very impressive nose. 285 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: It's very spacious. It also actually works like a little 286 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: space heater and warms up the air as they breathe 287 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: it in. It's pretty amazing. But those same characteristics that 288 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: are so beneficial to the reindeer now could actually become 289 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: very dangerous for them with climate change if this bacterial 290 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: growth happens. So we're looking at potential um, you know, 291 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: risk to reindeer population, and there's also a lot of 292 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: risk to farm animals as well, like for something similar 293 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: have to happen where this bacteria can infect farm animals 294 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: like cows and other types of ungulate farm animals. Uh. 295 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: And so you know, even if people don't care about 296 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: the adorable psycha antelope, which I guess would be just 297 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: psychopaths murders, you know. Uh, But like you know, we 298 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: also have very important species like you know, reindeer that 299 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: are keystone species and also you know our farm animals 300 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: that you know, Yeah, they're very for a lot of 301 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: people to basically how they live. Their lives are based 302 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: around cultivating these animals and hunting and raising it. Yeah. Yeah, 303 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, in my opinion, every species, even if 304 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: no matter how obscured it is, it is typically something 305 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: very important for humans. It's just it's sort of the 306 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: like seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon. It's like you don't 307 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: have to get too far away to realize that Evan Bacon, 308 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: like his survival is really important to the planet um. 309 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: Except instead of Kevin Bacon, it's like any animal. And 310 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: that is basically all ye, all animals and all ecosystems, 311 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: no matter even if you feel like they're not super important. 312 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: The way our world works and how ecoistms work. They're 313 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: all incredibly intrinsic and reliant on each other. So even 314 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: you know that's that we're seeing stuff about, like why 315 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: don't we just like turn entire deserts into solar fields 316 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: and be like, well, no, because the desert equisystem actually 317 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: very like if they serves a very important purpose, Like 318 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: you can't just be like, oh, deserts are too important, 319 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Like no, like they have an actual ecoistm that's actually 320 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: very important to the surrounding areas. We can't just bulldoze 321 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: it and turn into a solar just sand garrison, which 322 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: is coarse and irritating, and it gets everywhere, It's everywhere. 323 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: Is that an actual quote from from episode two Attack 324 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: of the Clones by hearing Christensen playing Anakin Skywalker the 325 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: padawan with with the rat tail. Yeah? Classic that. Yeah, 326 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: his rat tail. Amazing. The courage they used to have, 327 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: the courage of two three. How could Pat May not? 328 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: How could she not want that? How could you resist? 329 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: It's like that Ween song Every girl wants a guy 330 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: with a rat tail. Yeah, I'm just assuming if that 331 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: were a song it would be by Ween called it's 332 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: called a like a love Lover. I think that's right. 333 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: That's right. So what's up with these animals? Yeah, you 334 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: want some more animals because I talked about how those 335 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: animals mostly all died. Oh I'm not. I'm just thinking like, 336 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: what's like, what's what like? Do you know, like what's 337 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: happened with them since they all dropped? Thousand of them 338 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: left alive? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they're not currently all dying 339 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: of this bacterial infection. I think, like some of them are. 340 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: They apparently outside of the dangers and I guess outside 341 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: of the area where that's about the best you can 342 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: say for any species. Some of them aren't in the 343 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: danger area occurringly, but obviously that's going to change as 344 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: global warming progresses. So yeah, it's it's pretty grim. It's 345 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: also I think, you know, obviously, when you think about 346 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: these things, humans obviously don't have like these big snuffle 347 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: off a guess noses, which is really sad because I'm 348 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: imagining us with it, and we're we'd all be dead. 349 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: We would all be dead, but really, which would be 350 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: better for the planet? So but we but we we 351 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: would we would be way better at whaling jizz And honestly, 352 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: I feel we would be whaling the hell out of 353 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: some jizz one man, one can dream would be nose 354 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: deep in a big old pilages. Oh wow, yeah, how 355 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: would How does the Bible quantify jizz um cubits? Okay, 356 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: that's what Noah said, but he wanted to get on 357 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: the arc. Yeah, God's like you must two jis of 358 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: every kind. Well, Noah was big into Now we're just 359 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: like drawing that it was ever about music. Alright, Sorry, Katie, No, 360 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: that's all right, I asked, So yeah, I mean I 361 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: thought another thing we could talk about is how animal 362 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: folklore is really important to pay attention to and to 363 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: kind of listen to as both information and warnings for 364 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: the future. Um, because we often dismiss folklore as like, oh, 365 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, these are just spooky stories that we tell 366 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: around the campfire. They're just legends, they don't mean anything. 367 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: We're especially dismissive, I think when it comes to indigenous peoples. 368 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, your folklore, Oh that's so cute and quaint. 369 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, we we look at it as we we 370 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: like really like infantilize it as like, oh, look at 371 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: you primitive people still doing folklore, which is extremely extremely 372 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: disrespectful and also like very naive about how things work 373 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: when you look at how heavily engineered all of like 374 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: the forests were in the entirety of the America's like 375 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: from the Amazon of the up to the Pacific Northwest. 376 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: It's a little like like the architect of a building 377 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: comes in and says, hey, you can't knock out that 378 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: retaining wall. The building is gonna collapse and we're gonna 379 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: be like, oh, Mr Architect with his magic walls, and 380 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: then the building collapses on us. You know, there's there's 381 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: a bunche of paintings, like there's like drawings from like 382 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: this is like the early sixteen hundreds of of people 383 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: like in North America, and and it will be drawings. 384 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: It's all these European guys standing on a tree and 385 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: what they're watching is like it's it's one of one 386 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: of the I forget exactly what tried. This is one 387 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: of one of the people. Like they figured out how 388 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: to have like a fire that's like it burns it 389 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: like exactly, like like perfectly in this ring around the 390 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: tree does not catch anything else inside of it, like 391 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: and it's funny because it's like you look at this 392 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: and it's like okay, like the people like, the people 393 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: who are drawing this painting cannot do this, and it's 394 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: like it's very clear that they're just like incredibly befuddled 395 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: by this. But it's like, you know, it's it's it's 396 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: just sitting there. And then all the people who paint, 397 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: who paint that, you like, all the European artists who 398 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: like do this each like no, no, no, it's fine. 399 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: We don't know how they're doing this fire control stuff. 400 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: But we're Europeans. Everything we every ignoring everything other people 401 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: say is gonna go fine and great, and we're not 402 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna like turn half the country into a dust bowl. 403 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: What do they have to teach us? We figured out 404 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: how to make boats that only kill half the people 405 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: on them, only half. I mean that, I mean that 406 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: is a really good point. Uh. Controlled burns have been 407 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: practiced by a number of civilizations for millennia, but when 408 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: European settlers came and colonized North America were like controlled burns. 409 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: But we want to sell the timber, and that sounds dangerous, 410 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: so let us handle it. But yeah, this is all 411 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: immortalized in the biographical song Timber Bye Bye pit Bull, 412 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: which which which tells this story in in lyrical version, 413 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: please continue. And in uh and in uh Timberland boots 414 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: and in Timberland boots. That's right. Every Timberland boot has 415 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: a piece of the story. Yeah, and timberwolves. The I'm 416 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: gonna say, a hockey team. Yes, the hockey team is yeah. Okay, Yeah, 417 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Sophie is shaking your head. I'm sorry, Sophie, Minnesota wolves 418 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: are an I'm sorry, but yeah, I mean so in 419 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: North America, especially in California. Uh, Indigenous American tribes practice 420 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: controlled burns for thousands and thousands of years. Uh. The 421 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: europe Carrick and Hoopa tribes of California did controlled burns, which, 422 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: in addition to preventing larger, more dangerous wildfires by getting 423 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: grid of dead brush, it also promoted new growth of 424 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: vegetation like really important plant species like oak and hazel. 425 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: It even had unexpected effects like supporting the salmon population 426 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: because as you did, these controlled burns created a block 427 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: from the sun so that the ash clouds and then 428 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: that would cool down the temperatures of the streams. And 429 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking that, Hey, to counter global warming, 430 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: we should burn everything so that I cooled down. Um. 431 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: So the problem with burning everything. Like these uncontrolled burns 432 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: is they also kill living vegetation, and it's just like 433 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: it burns everything in sight and leaves basically nothing, and 434 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: it burns off a huge amount of carbon stores. So 435 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: the great thing about controlled burns is it very slowly 436 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: burns off these carbon stores in this dead wood, and 437 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: then it gives it time to re grow so that 438 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: you recapture the carbon rather than than just like burning 439 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: all this carbon at once, releasing it all at once, 440 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: and then it's like trying to play catchup. It's like 441 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: if you still like a little bit of milk on 442 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: the table and you use a paper towel and wipe 443 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: it up, it works. But if you just like pour 444 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: out the entire milk jug on the table, uh, you know, 445 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: on like a sloppy Saturday, just pouring out that milk, 446 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: it's like if paper towel is not gonna do anything. 447 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: That's like trees and carbon. You know what I'm saying, Yes, yeah, 448 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I do, I do, I do, I do. Pick what 449 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: you are putting down. They say, although I still think 450 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: melk analogy, we should try a controlled burn on let's 451 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: say Boston, see how it goes, right. Didn't care for it. 452 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: I didn't care for Boston. Don't see how we need it. 453 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: Even North End, Yeah, I didn't care for it. M hm. 454 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: They've got good Canoli's there, though, I'm sure they do. 455 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: You know where else has good canolis? I don't because 456 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: I don't care for Cannolis either. Okay, well, all right, 457 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: that's uh. I'm actually living in Italy and so if 458 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: they find out I've been on this podcast, I'm gonna 459 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: get kicked out of the Oh you need to be yeah, 460 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: very careful. It's filled with Italians. They're everywhere. If you 461 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: can get up to the Alps, there might be some 462 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Swiss nearby who can protect it. But you're in day 463 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: in jurious territory. I didn't realize their Italians here. That's scary. Yeah, 464 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: it's one of the main problems that Italy has. Yeah, 465 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: so uh yeah. So but when basically um indigenous tribes 466 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: had a pretty good system of controlled burns in California, 467 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: and then when you know, colonizers came to North America, 468 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: we were like, hey, stop that. In fact, we're gonna 469 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: make it illegal to do controlled burns because that seems dangerous. 470 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: And they focused on fire suppression and protection of timber 471 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: stores rather than you know, paying attention to the way 472 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: people had been doing this for thousands and thousands of 473 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: years and how it kind of worked. And so they 474 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: just thought like, hey, if we just stopped fires from 475 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: ever happening, they'll never happen. But spoilers they just started 476 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: happening still happen, and it's worse and they're out of 477 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: control and they're big problems every year. And yeah, learned nothing, 478 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: yep um. But another thing is that we could have 479 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: learned about controlled burns much much earlier if we had 480 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: decided to listen to the Aboriginal peoples in northern Australia. 481 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: UM about fire hawks. So, fire hawks are raptors, that is, 482 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: like birds of prey who seemed to either accidentally or 483 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: intentionally spread wildfire by picking up smoldering twigs and sticks 484 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: from a burning area and dropping them elsewhere. And then 485 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: once they start that fire, they watch for all the 486 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: little scared mice and rodents and lizards and just feast 487 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: upon the fleeing animals. It's extremely metal. It does sound 488 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: like that does sound very fun, yeah uh. And so 489 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: research published in eighteen UH detailed about how three species 490 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: of birds of prey in Australia seemed to do this. 491 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: But of course this is not news because Aboriginal people's 492 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: have no about this for thousands and thousands of years 493 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: and have documented this in their own folklore. There's uh 494 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: even a ceremony called Yabada in which people act out 495 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: birds carrying smoldering branches, which sounds amazing, but essentially they 496 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: are teaching this uh sort of naturalist history of sorry 497 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 1: of how they have seen these uh, these hawks, these 498 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: fire hawks carrying these burning sticks and distributing it. And 499 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: if this, if we had listened to this, you know, earlier, 500 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: we may have had more research on how you know, 501 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: maybe these birds of prey have been terraforming the Australian 502 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: out back for thousands and thousands of years and that's 503 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: really cool and it may be really informative. But unfortunately 504 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: we kind of really only decided to start researching in 505 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: and those researchers started doing it because they listened to, uh, 506 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: these stories from the Aboriginal people. So yeah, yeah, I 507 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: feel like everyone should. I feel like everyone should be 508 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: more okay with understanding why folklore exists and what propose 509 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: it serves. This is this, this is something I got 510 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: into years ago because of the because of the Lower podcast, 511 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: learning about just how folklore influences culture and politics and 512 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of really interesting and weird ways. And 513 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: that is something I wanted to talk about more because 514 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: it's it's a thing, and folklore is different for us 515 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: now in terms of how we have like a cultural stories, 516 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's still the same, it's still the 517 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: same purpose and we just couldn't deny it in a 518 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: way that is kind of silly. Yep. Yeah, I think 519 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: there's often this idea of there is a clear distinction 520 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: between fact and folklore, and while it's true, like we 521 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: can't necessary really just take folklore for at its exact word, 522 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: because like it's sort of like a telephone game throughout 523 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: years and years. Folklore is going to take on new 524 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: shapes every generation. But we really should take it seriously 525 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: as a part of very important data set of like 526 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: this is human observational history. Maybe some of it has 527 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: been sort of uh turned into myth, but a lot 528 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: of it could be genuine observation that people are relaying 529 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: over many many generations, which I think is really important. Well, 530 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: thank you Katie Golden for talking about those those very 531 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: silly Gonzo things that are unfortunately dropping dead at the 532 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: little Gonzo climate change genocide and then and then the 533 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: other climate change issues are on folklore. Um where where 534 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: can people find you on the old internet interwebs? Yeah, 535 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: I got a podcast. I don't know if you've heard 536 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: about those. Uh, it's called Creature Feature. And I talk 537 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: about stuff like this all the time about animals. It's 538 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: not always about animals dying in horrible ways, but sometimes 539 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: it is a good mix. You know, It's like sometimes 540 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: animals being alive, sometimes animals being dead. Sometimes some animals 541 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: making other animals dead and interesting way animals. Yeah, you 542 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: can never predict them. Uh. And you know, uh, you 543 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden. That's ka 544 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: E T I E G O L D I n Uh. 545 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah where I just you know, just posted on the 546 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: twittering that to Creature Feature. Find Katie on Twitter and 547 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: uh shoplift. Sure it could happen here as a production 548 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. A more pot cast from cool 549 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com, 550 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart radio app, 551 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 552 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: find sources for it could happen here. Updated monthly at 553 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media dot com slash Sources. Thanks for listening.