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Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley official letterhead from the NFL where they put
Speaker 1: dates on offseason events. They actually define their offseason calendar.
Speaker 1: That's all that. Yeah, the Rookie Mini Caamp, the offseason workouts,
Speaker 1: they Randatory Mini Camp, all the above. Obviously, they forgot
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Speaker 1: in Gilbert. We are Santan Ford and we do have
Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. Oh, I don't know, Ron Wolfley.
Speaker 1: There's a draft class out there. There's an international player
Speaker 1: has been allocated to the Cardinals. We have existing Cardinals
Speaker 1: changing numbers to single digits. We had a run on
Speaker 1: long snappers in the draft, I mean, all the wolf
Speaker 1: So much to talk about, including an in depth conversation
Speaker 1: coming up with the coach of the cornerbacks assistant Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: who has a couple of Day three corners who certainly
Speaker 1: don't test like Day three quarters and or talk like
Speaker 1: Day three cornerbacks, Greg Williams, right around the corner here
Speaker 1: on the big Red Ring. Yeah, Paully can't wait to
Speaker 1: actually talk to Greg Williams. But it is very, very
Speaker 1: interesting right here we are the free agent period. Of course,
Speaker 1: for the most part, for all intents and purposes, is over.
Speaker 1: In the draft, now is over, and what is the
Speaker 1: next step in the off season. It is getting some
Speaker 1: of these rookies assimilated, of course, to the offense, to
Speaker 1: the defense. It's getting some of these new guys assimilated
Speaker 1: as well. And it's so interesting, Paully, because I never
Speaker 1: thought you could get better in the off season, not
Speaker 1: the National Football League. You gotta put the mouthguard in,
Speaker 1: you gotta put the shoulder pads on the helmet. If
Speaker 1: you don't have the mouthguard in, you can't get better
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Well, I believe that until
Speaker 1: Steve Breston. I don't know if you remember it, Paully
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven to two thousand and eight. The
Speaker 1: transformation that happened in the off season does Steve Breston
Speaker 1: was profound and that totally changed my opinion as to
Speaker 1: whether or not you can actually get better in the
Speaker 1: off season. Nobody, and I mean nobody in mind. Now,
Speaker 1: what seventeen years as a Cardinal sideline reporter got yelled
Speaker 1: at as a rookie more than Steve Breston by Kurt Warner.
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many times as a rookie,
Speaker 1: Kurt would come to the sideline and just starts screaming Steve,
Speaker 1: and then Steve would be hin under the gatorade table.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just but you're right. By the time
Speaker 1: he got to year number two, he was a different player. Man.
Speaker 1: He was a heck of a player until he injured
Speaker 1: his knee for a few Mollie, it was incredible. It
Speaker 1: really was a transformation. Once again, I forget how many
Speaker 1: receptions he had, Maybe it was eighteen in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventy at seventy seven the next year, he went
Speaker 1: from ninety two yards receiving. This is in my head,
Speaker 1: I kid you not. I'm not looking at anything, at
Speaker 1: anything ninety two yards in two thousand and seven to
Speaker 1: a thousand and six in two thousand and eight. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine that, Paul, I mean a thousand yard receiver
Speaker 1: when you had ninety two yards receiving the year previous.
Speaker 1: That was the year where the Cardinals had three one
Speaker 1: thousand yard receivers, Anquan Bolt and Steve Preston and Todd
Speaker 1: Haley almost got punched at the end of Week sixteen
Speaker 1: because remember they ran a few plays to Steve Preston
Speaker 1: in a game that was out of hand, and the
Speaker 1: opposing coaching staff it might have been Seattle, I can't remember,
Speaker 1: they did not take kindly to the Cardinals getting the
Speaker 1: ball to Steve Preston and getting him that thousand yards
Speaker 1: at their expense and a lotsided loss. What is the
Speaker 1: point of all of this? These new additions, especially the
Speaker 1: young guys. They can get better in an off season.
Speaker 1: Now we got to just execute the off season. That's good.
Speaker 1: About fifty nine minutes from now, Wolf will not be
Speaker 1: able to find his car keys. He won't remember where
Speaker 1: he put his sunglasses, but he did remember the rookie
Speaker 1: yardage from Steve Breston for two thousand and seven. We
Speaker 1: are often running on the fig red rage presented by
Speaker 1: Santan Boord and Gilbert. We are Satan for it is time.
Speaker 1: There's the car. A big decision forthcoming for the Big
Speaker 1: Red the Arizona Cardinals, Same Big Cardinals. We're gonna gild
Speaker 1: every day. This kid is an athletic great, a monster
Speaker 1: in a great pick. I think the Cardinals kind of start.
Speaker 1: Rundo might be the most dynamic player in this entire draft.
Speaker 1: Rundal More, we'll get the first job and much more
Speaker 1: this kid. After three days of the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: NFL draft of Cardinals, at the end of it all
Speaker 1: have seven new players are Victor d and Cage again
Speaker 1: Interla winked pleasure and it's seven Collins with a second
Speaker 1: about it just a little montage their courtesy Bear Jim
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Speaker 1: It is the Big Red Range presented by satan Ford
Speaker 1: and Gilbert. We are Satan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley,
Speaker 1: And this time a week ago, going into the draft,
Speaker 1: wolf remember you and Dave were racing to get the
Speaker 1: name Zaven Collins out of your mouth, right, both of
Speaker 1: you guys, We're going with him. I mean, who would
Speaker 1: think here on May six, the Arizona Cardinals wouldn't have
Speaker 1: an official answer from Larry Fitzgerald yet as to his future,
Speaker 1: but they do have a middle linebacker who's nearly six five,
Speaker 1: two sixty and he's coming in and the comps are
Speaker 1: anywhere from Tremaine Edmonds to a Brian or Lacker. All
Speaker 1: I know was on draft night with mister Pash we
Speaker 1: were doing the coverage wolf I wrote MLBMI board and
Speaker 1: I said, the m equals mean, give me a middle
Speaker 1: linebacker who's mean, who can actually set the tone and
Speaker 1: fill the gaps in that front seven and just snuff
Speaker 1: out the run game. And this guy checks a lot
Speaker 1: of boxes, Zavan Collins. Yeah, PAULI. Going into the draft,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that thought Zaban Collins
Speaker 1: would be somewhere in the twenties, you know, anywhere from
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five. I heard as high as twenty
Speaker 1: one maybe in there, but he really seemed to climb
Speaker 1: up some draft boards as we neared the draft, and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals took him there obviously at number sixteen. I
Speaker 1: love the fact he's a box player that's six five
Speaker 1: and two hundred and sixty pounds, you know me, Paullly,
Speaker 1: I love that. You know, here's a guy that hopefully
Speaker 1: he's going to stick his face into the fire and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be physical. I think a stronger version of
Speaker 1: Vikings linebacker Anthony bar Think of Anthony Bar right, here's
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr six five. Anthony Barr is a guy that
Speaker 1: weighs two hundred and forty five, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five pounds somewhere in there. And yet Anthony Barr plays
Speaker 1: on the week side inside for the most part, and
Speaker 1: they'll move him on the line of scrimmage and bring
Speaker 1: him off the edge as well. I think Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: is like Anthony Barr, except he's going to be playing
Speaker 1: with a little bit more, but he'll be playing that
Speaker 1: Mike linebacker, but you can still take Zaven Collins and
Speaker 1: move him to the edge and bring him off the edge,
Speaker 1: just like Anthony bar Paul. They asked him what's his
Speaker 1: favorite aspect of playing defense. He said, well, other than
Speaker 1: the takeaway, it's tackle for loss. I loved hearing that.
Speaker 1: It just it tells you about his mentality. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: And we talked Avants Joseph about this and he brought
Speaker 1: it up on his own. The biggest need for the
Speaker 1: Cardinals on defense, arguably other than maybe corner at this
Speaker 1: point and trying to figure that out, was run defense.
Speaker 1: They finished in the bottom third. So if you're adding
Speaker 1: a jj wad who led the NFL and tackles for
Speaker 1: losses against the run, and now you get his Zaven Collins.
Speaker 1: But in addition to that, Wolf, when I heard about
Speaker 1: his ability to cover the running back and the tight end,
Speaker 1: and look, Jordan Hicks has been a lot of things
Speaker 1: for the ears on a Cardinals the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: but he has struggled at times. It's been a mismatch
Speaker 1: when he's had to cover the back out of the
Speaker 1: backfield or tight ends down the seam. And if you're
Speaker 1: telling him he Zaven Collins has the athleticism and obviously
Speaker 1: the size to be that guy that goes a long
Speaker 1: way for advanced Joseph and his game planning, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it, BULLYE. And that was a weird thing about
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks as well. When he came in. He had
Speaker 1: the reputation of being a guy that was a really
Speaker 1: good cover mic backer and he has struggled with And
Speaker 1: I think he'd be the first one to tell you
Speaker 1: that I love this because I think Jordan Hicks also
Speaker 1: is going to be if he's given the opportunity, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be an excellent mentor to Zaven Collins. Now,
Speaker 1: once again, I'm not saying that he's going to capitulate
Speaker 1: the position. I'm not all right Jordan Hicks to me,
Speaker 1: if he's given that opportunity, I think Jordan Hicks is
Speaker 1: going to compete and it's not going to be easy.
Speaker 1: But I do see him being an excellent mentor. He's
Speaker 1: a brilliant individual. He really is any good dude as well,
Speaker 1: and I could see him passing on a lot of
Speaker 1: knowledge to Zavid Collins well. And whether it's Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: or the round two pick Rondale Moore. Every chance is
Speaker 1: going to be had for these guys to get into
Speaker 1: that rotation early. And that's not us, that's the head coach,
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. We knew we had to get better than
Speaker 1: us for please with how that thing ended last year,
Speaker 1: and we wanted to improve through the draft. And Steve
Speaker 1: made that crystal clear to the coaching staff and personnelity
Speaker 1: depart in those first two picks. Need to play player
Speaker 1: earl and play a lot and that was the mission.
Speaker 1: And I feel good about where it's at. And let's
Speaker 1: face a wolf, Rondale Moore would not be an Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinal if Andy Isabella had panned out in round two
Speaker 1: two years earlier. Cliff Kingsbury is still searching, seemingly for
Speaker 1: that blazer, that guy who can really run and make
Speaker 1: people miss in space underneath and and from all accounts,
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore is that guy. He was that guy in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a first team All America. This kid is
Speaker 1: absolutely he is electric. He's small, polly something you know
Speaker 1: all about being dominionative of yourself, but he's electric, just combustible.
Speaker 1: And of all the picks the Cardinals made over the weekend.
Speaker 1: This is the one that I'm most into over the draft, Paul,
Speaker 1: this is the one that I'm most interested in seeing
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do because he is a game changer.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can run by people. We've seen
Speaker 1: this before, but you tell me that he can run
Speaker 1: by lineup in the slot and run a poet stover
Speaker 1: the top and you can throw it down the field
Speaker 1: and beat somebody and show that once every four games
Speaker 1: on tape. I'm telling you right now, ball home. He's
Speaker 1: a whole puncher in coverage, and the guys that will
Speaker 1: fill those holes will be DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Greene
Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk. You see the tweet from Dez Bryant,
Speaker 1: former Cowboys Pro Bowl receiver. It was five hours before
Speaker 1: round two. He tweeted out Rondale Moore instant impact. Wherever
Speaker 1: he goes, remember this tweet and tweet Dez Bryant. So
Speaker 1: we'll see. Obviously, the Cardinals like what they picked up
Speaker 1: in round two. In other years when they got the
Speaker 1: likes of an Ant, Kuan Bolden, Buddha Baker at Carlos
Speaker 1: Dansby Klis, guys like that. Let's talk about the corners
Speaker 1: on Day three and a safety as well with the
Speaker 1: Corners coach Correig Williams. Next, then the Big Red Rage
Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. With one and thirty
Speaker 1: six pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals selected Marco Wilson, cornerback, Florida smart player too,
Speaker 1: and that's what they valued. Rundale Moore graduated for doing
Speaker 1: two and a half years and Zavan Collins was a
Speaker 1: high school valedictorian. Marco Wilson aptitude tests off the chart,
Speaker 1: smart player with there of course athletic of Villaina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should be known for more than throwing the shoe
Speaker 1: against La Shoe. He's a good player, trained by his
Speaker 1: father who was a college defensive back. His brother Quincy
Speaker 1: Wilson also in the NFL. Good bloodlines, good intellects. Charles Davis,
Speaker 1: Sarah preceded by Peter Schreger, NFL Network Kara Chris, Doctor
Speaker 1: Kara Chris with the pick all part of that Day
Speaker 1: three parade of players coming to the Arizona Cardinals and
Speaker 1: Wolf This is just me. But if I'm a rookie
Speaker 1: corner looking to make a team and make a name
Speaker 1: for myself. Is there any better opportunity here in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one than the Arizona Cardinals and what you're looking
Speaker 1: at on defense right now? No, you got that right,
Speaker 1: POUI with Vans Joseph in his scheme, they play an
Speaker 1: awful lot of man cover man, walk up over a
Speaker 1: wide receiver and put your hands on them. And the
Speaker 1: guy who directly coaches them up is joining us now
Speaker 1: on the big Red range presented by Santan Ford in
Speaker 1: Gilbert third season coaching corners for the Cardinals is twelfth
Speaker 1: year coach in the NFL. The Corners coach Greg Williams
Speaker 1: on board, coach, how are we doing tonight? I'm doing
Speaker 1: good man. I appreciate you guys having me onf No,
Speaker 1: thank you, coach, We really appreciate it, heared. Just tell
Speaker 1: us what does it take? What does it take from
Speaker 1: a coach's perspective to be a good press man corner?
Speaker 1: What it takes as a guy with supreme confidence really,
Speaker 1: because as you know, man, you're out there on an island,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's so much exposure that you
Speaker 1: have to be able to put place behind you, bad
Speaker 1: place behind you and also put the good places behind you.
Speaker 1: So you need a guy that has supreme confidence and
Speaker 1: the supreme belief in itself to go out there. And
Speaker 1: then obviously the talent. I mean, you got to be
Speaker 1: talented to play in this league anyway, So you got
Speaker 1: to have that. That's approved requisite. You know what, It's
Speaker 1: really interesting you bring that up right off the top,
Speaker 1: because a couple of weeks ago here in the Big
Speaker 1: Red Rage, we had the pleasure of talking with Frank Sanders,
Speaker 1: a long time receiver for the years, on a Cardinal's
Speaker 1: former round two pick, and then one of the things
Speaker 1: he said about bringing in rookie corners we anticipated this
Speaker 1: was that receivers in the NFL, we'll welcome young corners
Speaker 1: to the league by trying to steal their confidence, in
Speaker 1: the words of Frank Sanders, And well, we remember that,
Speaker 1: and then listen to Tay Gowan when he's talking to
Speaker 1: the media, because if you want belief in yourself, listen
Speaker 1: to him after he was picked in round six. Don't know,
Speaker 1: I've been counting out my whole life. I wanted to
Speaker 1: show on a big platform that I could play, and
Speaker 1: now I'm about to sold Doca Domino on the NFL
Speaker 1: I'd be a Tom Brady o the corners. I think
Speaker 1: I needed this. I needed this in my home, my journey,
Speaker 1: and in the way I'm gonna pros the game. So
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for the way. Actually, So, coach,
Speaker 1: is that what you were talking about, that sort of
Speaker 1: confidence say, I'm going to be the Tom Brady of corners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously he's got that confidence. But it's It's the thing
Speaker 1: about him is once you get to know him, it's
Speaker 1: not just what he says. He actually uh, he actually
Speaker 1: lives at you know what I mean. Uh, even even
Speaker 1: talking to him in the last few days, just putting
Speaker 1: installs in and talking to him, he's he backs it
Speaker 1: up by his work ethic. So it's not just talk.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys can talk it, but you really
Speaker 1: have to believe it and you have to walk the walk.
Speaker 1: And so far since I've known this young man, he
Speaker 1: has what it takes to actually walk the walk when
Speaker 1: it when it comes to that top of confidence. Coach,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Marco Wilson and getting him
Speaker 1: in the fourth prom We thought right away VJ and
Speaker 1: myself and Marcus Robertson as we watched him, we knew
Speaker 1: that he had, uh talent, you know he had. He
Speaker 1: has a skill set just like some of the other
Speaker 1: elite corners that went earlier in the draft. And Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of getting consistent. And then we
Speaker 1: think that he has that in him obviously the bloodline
Speaker 1: that he has. Uh. I was with the Coats when
Speaker 1: we drafted his brother, who I am still so I'm
Speaker 1: still friends with to this day. And UH and respect
Speaker 1: because he was very knowledgeable about the game. So we
Speaker 1: know his background and the kind of work ethlete that
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring. So we think with Marco and and
Speaker 1: and say we think their best ball is ahead of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Marco Wilson and you walked into
Speaker 1: Florida and you started as a true freshman at eighteen
Speaker 1: years of age. Look at all the sec receivers who
Speaker 1: just went in this draft, right, So if there's a
Speaker 1: guy who could really threaten to get some early playing time,
Speaker 1: I would think it would be a guy like Marco Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marco's gonna come in and he's I don't I don't
Speaker 1: believe he's gonna be too big for him at all.
Speaker 1: He's obviously proven that this guy's he's and if you know,
Speaker 1: he played a lot of a lot of good football
Speaker 1: in high school as well, so he's he's been around it,
Speaker 1: he's played it. And then, like he said, he's started
Speaker 1: and he played a ton of games in the SEC.
Speaker 1: So he'll be facing receivers that he saw and that
Speaker 1: he saw on Saturdays. He'll be seeing some of these
Speaker 1: same guys on Sunday. So it's not gonna be too
Speaker 1: big for him. He's gonna He's got a nice, quiet
Speaker 1: confidence about himself. And that's kind of what we looked
Speaker 1: at when Steve was asking about these guys and the
Speaker 1: kind of guys he wanted to be Cardinals. Uh, those
Speaker 1: are the type of type of characteristics that he was
Speaker 1: looking for. And I think both of those guys really, uh,
Speaker 1: they really have that kind of characteristics about them. And Coach,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation in regard to Marco
Speaker 1: Wilson about him throwing a shoe against LSA. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that overall? Coach, Um, I knew about
Speaker 1: the shoe just because you know, I watched the news,
Speaker 1: I watched Sports Center, but when we watched the coaches copy,
Speaker 1: when I when I was evaluating his game film. U
Speaker 1: watched the tape. He does a lot of good things
Speaker 1: on tape. So as you watch the game and you're
Speaker 1: watching all the plays he's making on tape, and then
Speaker 1: the tape on the coaches copy it cuts off before
Speaker 1: he throws the shoe. So you just watched the coaches copy,
Speaker 1: you get all the good plays without the throwing of
Speaker 1: the shoe. So I knew about what happened, but but
Speaker 1: it was I was, I was already I was already
Speaker 1: convinced by the skill set that I saw throughout the game.
Speaker 1: So you're not worried about good game. Yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: worried about him having an emotional issue where he you know,
Speaker 1: to me, emotion on the football field. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's necessarily a bad thing unless it makes you do
Speaker 1: something dumb. I mean, Wolf, you're the guy. You're the
Speaker 1: guy through the dog biscuits and the dog bones back
Speaker 1: at the dog pound in Cleveland when you're on the understand, Paul,
Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. It takes one to no one
Speaker 1: that's right. Well, I mean coach seriously, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: it really sounds like he's learned a lesson to hear
Speaker 1: him talk about it and talk about how you have
Speaker 1: to be in control of your emotions at all times,
Speaker 1: and how silly mistakes can affect not just you but
Speaker 1: other people. I mean, if you're gonna learn that less
Speaker 1: in college is the time to do it, I would presume, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and and talking to him, talking to him. I
Speaker 1: know Steve had a chance to speak with him over zoom.
Speaker 1: So did Advanced Joseph. So did I. We did that
Speaker 1: on a couple of separate occasions. H get to know him,
Speaker 1: and you know that it wasn't a malicious act. It
Speaker 1: wasn't to hurt his teammates. He's not an out of
Speaker 1: control guy. And we did our due diligence and talking
Speaker 1: to down there in Gainsville, and you can't find one person,
Speaker 1: one person you know that's within that building that had
Speaker 1: something negative to say about his personality. So that convinced
Speaker 1: us right there, boy, coach, I would love to hear
Speaker 1: you talk about your corner back room, if you would,
Speaker 1: when you talk about Malcolm Butler and Robert Alfred. A guy,
Speaker 1: that man, Robert Alfred, if they can just keep him healthy,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see him go out and ball
Speaker 1: out here talk about your cornerback room and the veterans
Speaker 1: in it. I really like how how we put it together.
Speaker 1: Just from a standpoint, Murphy's coming into his own right now.
Speaker 1: You know, we expect big things from him this year.
Speaker 1: But you guys saw Robert Alfred from a training camp
Speaker 1: standpoint over the last two years. Unfortunately the fan base
Speaker 1: hasn't had a chance to see it in games. But
Speaker 1: we expecting big things from him, he told the last
Speaker 1: two years, just from his performance and what he brings
Speaker 1: from a tenacity level, um, you know, to to our
Speaker 1: team into our secondary. I mean, this guy is energy
Speaker 1: and a bottle, you know what I mean. If you
Speaker 1: if you're ever around him, he is always on coach
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely absolutely, he's he's He's a dog in the
Speaker 1: epitomy of the word. That's that's, that's what he is.
Speaker 1: Because he still plays with that lte. He plays with
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder. I'm a small school guy.
Speaker 1: Regardless of where he was drafted. He still plays with
Speaker 1: kind of that small school chip on his shoulder, and
Speaker 1: that's what made him as successful as he's been. Can
Speaker 1: you remember this guy's playing in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: played pretty well, and it's one of the big questions
Speaker 1: for you on Malcolm Butler is to try and figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: at age thirty one, can he really check in shadow
Speaker 1: and travel a guy, a premier number one receiver and
Speaker 1: handle that all by himself. Is that something he's known
Speaker 1: for doing, or you're gonna have to change the scheme accordingly.
Speaker 1: I think he's being in the two places that he's
Speaker 1: been in New England and Tennessee, He's had a chance
Speaker 1: to be in multiple schemes. Uh, So I think he
Speaker 1: can adapt to whatever we want him to do and
Speaker 1: whatever will help the team win. Obviously, you guys have
Speaker 1: seen vans as defenses. They're they're multiple and he'll do
Speaker 1: uh well, we'll do what it takes, uh, game permitting,
Speaker 1: you know, game plan permitting, and so if he has
Speaker 1: to do what he can. But he's he's a guy
Speaker 1: another guy that uh you know, for the for the
Speaker 1: time that I've known him, he's willing to do anything
Speaker 1: that you ask him to do, whether it's to stay
Speaker 1: right they left or travel. Uh, he's done it all
Speaker 1: and he's he's more than willing to do that in
Speaker 1: this game as well. Well. Coach, Thank you for the
Speaker 1: time I tell you when you hear Marco Wilson and
Speaker 1: take Allen talk about how they love to watch film
Speaker 1: with Durell Reevas and take Allan likes to talk to
Speaker 1: himself at being on Gowan Island. You know it's intriguing
Speaker 1: if nothing else, no doubt about that. So we thank
Speaker 1: you for the time and the insight. No, I appreciate you, man,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul, thank you Gran. I appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: having me on right on coach. Look forward to talking
Speaker 1: to you down the road. Okay, absolutely, you gotta take care, okay, man,
Speaker 1: Well if how many dog biscuits did you throw at
Speaker 1: the dog pel in the day, it was just one
Speaker 1: dollar took right there, That's all it took. In a
Speaker 1: time out, Paul, I picked it up. I threw it
Speaker 1: into the crowd as a rookie, and we got bombarded.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul, hundreds of dog biscuits crashing down into
Speaker 1: our huddle. Still, guy, you picking it out of their
Speaker 1: ear after in the shower, it was proven you got
Speaker 1: treated like Josel two. We just got treated by Yankees fans,
Speaker 1: big red rage. Back right after this. We're the sixteenth pick.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals select Zavin Shicker Better twenty three David Collins.
Speaker 1: That dude's an animal, six three, two sixty linebacker, one
Speaker 1: of the best linebackers and all the cops football. What
Speaker 1: I liked about him was having size, football acumen, instincts, coverability.
Speaker 1: This guy's got rare and unusual dreaming skills for a
Speaker 1: guy who's only six foot five, two hundred and sixty five.
Speaker 1: I only dream to Arizona and being in that organization,
Speaker 1: with that community, with everything there to something that I've
Speaker 1: dreamed of, and we could college Savan Collins Cardinal's first
Speaker 1: round picks, Zavan Collins meaning the media, Zavan Collins is
Speaker 1: draft night phone call going viral and just the reaction
Speaker 1: and you see how much football means to the young
Speaker 1: man and his family, especially mom who raised him. And
Speaker 1: so now you have Zaven Collins coming in and given
Speaker 1: every chance from what we can tell, to compete from
Speaker 1: day one to be the number one middle linebacker. Not
Speaker 1: saying it's going to be easy, but there will be opportunities.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. It's a big red rage
Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford,
Speaker 1: Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley special thanks again at cornerbacks coach
Speaker 1: Greg Williams for joining us. But as far as Zaban
Speaker 1: Collins goes, especially when you think of Round one this
Speaker 1: year and then Round one last year, Ron Wolfley, parry
Speaker 1: them up with Isaiah Simmons. What did we talk about
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, right, If you could get
Speaker 1: that combination right in the middle back when the Cardinals
Speaker 1: had Carlos Dansby and Daryl Washington, most recently Tampa with
Speaker 1: Devin White and Lavante David Man. If you can get
Speaker 1: that dynamic duo in the middle of your defense, that's
Speaker 1: a lot for an offense to think about. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. BALLI, you know, I think back to
Speaker 1: Navarrel Bowman and Patrick Willis. I really knew those two
Speaker 1: guys are Luke Keekley and Thomas Davis PAULI. When you
Speaker 1: have two inside linebackers that are three down linebackers that
Speaker 1: do not come off the field, it is a massive
Speaker 1: advantage to a defensive coordinator and to a defense overall.
Speaker 1: It is paul to have two guys that will not
Speaker 1: come off the field, and the reason why is because
Speaker 1: it speaks to their athleticism. It's speaks to the fact
Speaker 1: that not only will they stick their face into the fan,
Speaker 1: not only are they physical in rundown situations, but they
Speaker 1: stay on the field when you try to throw the
Speaker 1: ball in third and obbious pass situations. It is a
Speaker 1: huge advantage, especially in today's NFL, where's so much of
Speaker 1: the time you're gonna get eleven personnel, one back, one
Speaker 1: tight end, three wide receivers. Now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know what, You've got six blockers when you count
Speaker 1: the five down, the five offensive linemen of course, and
Speaker 1: then the tight end, Polly, that's six to block six
Speaker 1: because you're gonna go nickel for the most part in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, which means you're gonna have four down,
Speaker 1: two inside linebackers in five dbs, including three corners. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what the Arizona Cardinals are going to do. And
Speaker 1: if you tell me Zaven Collins can master that, and
Speaker 1: that's a tall order, Polly, But if you can tell
Speaker 1: me he can master third and obbious pass situations and
Speaker 1: all the calls, all the checks that come with that.
Speaker 1: With Isaiah Simmons on the field, man, it is a
Speaker 1: huge advantage for Vance Joseph and the Cardinals. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about when the sneaky Kyle Shanahan starts going up
Speaker 1: tempo right or Sean McVay, and what are they trying
Speaker 1: to do. They're trying to limit your substitutions. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: trying to get that personnel mismatch. And so all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, to your point, exactly right, if you have
Speaker 1: those guys who have that athleticism to be able to
Speaker 1: be on the field and be true three down linebackers, yeah,
Speaker 1: advantage your defense. And it was interesting on Cardinals Draft
Speaker 1: Central on Draft Night last Thursday night, team owner Michael
Speaker 1: Bidwell told us that there they were in the draft
Speaker 1: room and they were starting to sweat a little bit
Speaker 1: because New England was coming up and they had a
Speaker 1: bad feeling that Zavian Collins might be in the crosshairs
Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick and the Patriots war room well to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals benefit, and we talked about this with five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks going in the first fifteen picks, sure enough there
Speaker 1: was Mac Jones, and sure enough, a little bit later,
Speaker 1: the Patriots shared with the Cardinals if the quarterback wasn't there,
Speaker 1: zaven Collins would be going to New England instead. He's
Speaker 1: coming to the Cardinals. And here Steve kind the GM
Speaker 1: talking about where Zaven Collins is rated on the Cardinals
Speaker 1: big board. We really liked him. Our coaching staff, our
Speaker 1: scouting staff, everybody as a whole had him as one
Speaker 1: of our higher rated defensive players in the entire draft.
Speaker 1: He also had an Alpha tag, which for us, the
Speaker 1: Alpha Berg tag is given to players that have rare
Speaker 1: leadership qualities, great instincts, great field for the game, our
Speaker 1: tremendous locker room guys, and Zaven Collins is certainly one
Speaker 1: of them. Steven went on to say that maybe five
Speaker 1: or six players in an entire draft class will get
Speaker 1: that Alpha tag, and Zaven Collins was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: And Wolf I defy anyone who watched the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 1: last year and saw Week sixteen when they had a
Speaker 1: lack of energy and intensity inexplicable with the playoffs in
Speaker 1: line Week seventeen, go back to Week four at Carolina.
Speaker 1: I get into this with Kyle all the time, leadership
Speaker 1: versus analytics, and I'm just saying, to deny that leadership
Speaker 1: doesn't exist is to call the decision makers wrong. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So no, no, absolutely, Paul. You're right at
Speaker 1: it right there. And you know I love Kyle. I
Speaker 1: love him, but I argue with him as well. I'm
Speaker 1: betty bety things. But that's okay. He's got his perspective
Speaker 1: and I've got mine. I can just say right now
Speaker 1: what I love about this. Once again, Isaiah Simmons Isaiah
Speaker 1: Simmons six four paul, two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 1: And now you've got Zaven Collins at six five, two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty And by the way, did you see
Speaker 1: the length he's got on him. I mean he is
Speaker 1: unbelievably long. His arms are long. You were talking about
Speaker 1: in a reach of eighty three inches, Paul, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: You put Isaiah Simmons in his length on that week
Speaker 1: side inside backer with Zaven Collins in his length, Man, Paul,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's gonna be difficult to make some
Speaker 1: of those throws, those quick throw across the middle. Hopefully
Speaker 1: this is going to be something that again Zavian Collins
Speaker 1: is going to pick this defense up early. I'm skeptical
Speaker 1: of it, Paulie. And you know why I'm skeptical. Mike
Speaker 1: Backer is one of the most difficult positions to come
Speaker 1: from college into the National Football League and know what
Speaker 1: you're doing, not not just getting everyone else lined up,
Speaker 1: knowing what your responsibilities are and what you're supposed to do,
Speaker 1: all the checks, all the adjustments. It is a huge
Speaker 1: task for a rookie to come in and do. But
Speaker 1: you know what, the Cardinals think, he's got a chance
Speaker 1: of doing just that. And you know what to Jordan
Speaker 1: Hicks credit, Not only did he does he know his position,
Speaker 1: but he knows everyone else's position. So to your point,
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is a guy. If you talk to the
Speaker 1: other guys in that defense, he's setting everybody up and
Speaker 1: aligning everybody. So yes, it does go beyond your position.
Speaker 1: But but well, the fact that he's a natural inside linebacker,
Speaker 1: unlike a Hassan Reddick. Hassan Reddick can run somewhere in
Speaker 1: the four fours or a but he never played like
Speaker 1: it because there was that hesitation. It was always a
Speaker 1: half step or a step slow to react, and at
Speaker 1: that point it doesn't matter, it's too late. Yes, Paully
Speaker 1: was his eyes. Hassan Raddick. You know how much I
Speaker 1: love and respect this kid. He worked so dug on
Speaker 1: hard but it was his eyes that betrayed him all
Speaker 1: the time coming off the edge. That's where he needs
Speaker 1: to be, and I'm glad that that's where he's going
Speaker 1: to play. But you know what's the Zaven Collins comparison
Speaker 1: does not hold up at all, and it's because that's
Speaker 1: where Zaven Collins played off the ball. He's an inside
Speaker 1: linebacker that you could take and stick him on the
Speaker 1: edge and bring him off the edge at some point
Speaker 1: in time. I think we'll see that at some point
Speaker 1: inside Paully, I think we'll see the Anthony bar An
Speaker 1: Anthony bar In a week side inside is not a
Speaker 1: mic backer. But still every now and then, if you
Speaker 1: want to get Zaven Collins some reps, especially early on,
Speaker 1: you could totally have him line up opposite of a
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. Well, we saw it on occasion last year
Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons. You did. You saw him ug in
Speaker 1: the A gap and going, you saw him coming off
Speaker 1: the edge, you saw him in the slot at times.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of talk about keeping Isaiah
Speaker 1: Simmons in one spot a year ago that did not materialize.
Speaker 1: They did use him in a variety of roles. Think
Speaker 1: about yeah, you get a ton of rops for the
Speaker 1: most part. True, he didn't get a ton of rops
Speaker 1: with Palli. I just want to say this quickly. I
Speaker 1: love the fact that got a bunch of dogs in
Speaker 1: that locker room, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: That's gonna help Zaven Collins the expectation as to how
Speaker 1: you go about your business and how you're gonna play
Speaker 1: this game. He's got dogs all around him. That's gonna
Speaker 1: help him. Best case scenario, Russell Wilson comes the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He's got fifty five Chandler Jones. He's got
Speaker 1: JJ Watt to think about. Oh there's Isaiah Simmons. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Bodda Baker is showing blitz. I got this
Speaker 1: six five, two sixty linebacker Zaven Collins snorting in the
Speaker 1: A gap. There's a lot to think about if you're
Speaker 1: a quarterback before you snap the ball. We continue with
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage right after this with the forty
Speaker 1: nine and twenty one NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinal select
Speaker 1: Rundale More receiver Perdue just talked about trying to get
Speaker 1: faster over the top. I said that because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of buzz about them maybe trading up for Jaylen Waddle.
Speaker 1: But Rondale Moore can't lie a little four and three.
Speaker 1: You can use him on some of these gadget plays.
Speaker 1: You get him on the fly suite, jet suits, the
Speaker 1: run after catch. Not only is he fast, he is
Speaker 1: sturdy and strong, and once he breaks tackles and gets
Speaker 1: out in the open field, he's gone on the wheel route,
Speaker 1: double moves. He's gotten not only a second year, but
Speaker 1: a third year down the field. Dinner and Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: there part of the NFL Network draft coverage talking about
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore the wide receiver out of Perdue, and you
Speaker 1: can hear it. But when you see him in the
Speaker 1: squat rack Ron Wolfley as a guy who measures five
Speaker 1: to seven, a buck eighty one and he's squatting six
Speaker 1: hundred pounds as a freshman at Perdue. Your reaction to
Speaker 1: that here on the big Red Ray presented by santan
Speaker 1: Ford and Hiller, I've never seen anything like it. I
Speaker 1: could you not five to seven to have that kind
Speaker 1: of strength in your legs, to be put together like that,
Speaker 1: It's truly incredible to behold. This is a guy that
Speaker 1: I think hopefully is going to have the kind of
Speaker 1: impact that Cliff Kingsbury and the Arizona Cardinal's hope that
Speaker 1: he's going to have on this offense. Get over the top, Paul.
Speaker 1: If he can run by somebody, get over the top,
Speaker 1: it is going to open up so much for DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: so much for aj Green At Christian Kirk So we
Speaker 1: can tell you that he squat a six hundred pounds
Speaker 1: as a freshman, and he ran an unofficial four two
Speaker 1: nine at his pro day, the vertical of forty two
Speaker 1: and a half. But maybe the best thing I heard
Speaker 1: about Rondelmore was in the conversation in the Cardinals draft
Speaker 1: room before the selection in round two. This is Cardinals
Speaker 1: All Access and you get a lot of this coming
Speaker 1: up on the next edition of Cardinal's Flight Plan. But
Speaker 1: here Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury talking about Rondel Moore.
Speaker 1: Rondelmore good wide out kick returner, vertical jumped like forty
Speaker 1: two and a half inches. He's a dog. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in and think he's the man, be
Speaker 1: a pro and the balls in his hands. He is special,
Speaker 1: special median impact returnability. He'll be ready to all and well,
Speaker 1: if I know, we used that word a lot, the
Speaker 1: whole dog thing, but yeah, to be that size, you
Speaker 1: better be a dog to excel. I had a conversation.
Speaker 1: I talked about this in Cardinals Underground, the podcast Just
Speaker 1: a Quick Recap was a few years ago, and there
Speaker 1: was sort of an unknown trying to make the Cardinals
Speaker 1: as an undrafted slot receiver and he was looking good
Speaker 1: early and one of the veterans told me, no, no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that dog in him. Julian Edelman will
Speaker 1: tear your face off. Wes Welker will attack you until
Speaker 1: there's nothing left. And so if you're telling me rondel
Speaker 1: Moore has that mentality, now I'm that much more of
Speaker 1: a believer. Yeah. No, that's a great observation, Ballie. Here's
Speaker 1: what really gets me about rondel Moore. He was the
Speaker 1: first true freshman consensus All a American in Big Ten history. Paul.
Speaker 1: I think about that for a minute now. Charles Woodson's
Speaker 1: the first first true freshman Paul to have a consensus
Speaker 1: All American in the Big Ten tag put on him
Speaker 1: right there. This says three things to me about this kid.
Speaker 1: He's got uncommon athletic ability. He's he's highly motivated, and
Speaker 1: he's not afraid. Paul, that is so important right there.
Speaker 1: He could care less about your reputation or the logo
Speaker 1: on your helmet. He's gonna line up and compete with
Speaker 1: everything he's got and the only thing your reputation or
Speaker 1: logo might produce. And Rondale Moore is even more resolved.
Speaker 1: I you know again, I can't wait to see this
Speaker 1: kid play. But Paul, you know how I feel about
Speaker 1: rookies overall. You gotta prove it to me. You've gotta
Speaker 1: prove it to me. I've seen it over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. And Rondale Moore has got to prove it.
Speaker 1: And that's the best thing that the Arizona Cardinals have
Speaker 1: going form is this kid wants to prove it well.
Speaker 1: The GM Steve Kin was asked to break down, give
Speaker 1: us scatter report, if you will, on Rondel Mora to Purdue.
Speaker 1: When you see his body type, you see a guy
Speaker 1: who's all the shorter end, but really thick and muscled up,
Speaker 1: really explosive, jumped forty two and a half inches, ran
Speaker 1: four two nine six sixty three cone. Again, those numbers
Speaker 1: are off the charts very similar measurable wise, height, weight
Speaker 1: and speed. And you look at those numbers. Guy like
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, a sort of in that form is explosive
Speaker 1: enough to play outside, play, inside, reverses, screens, all the
Speaker 1: different things. You want to get the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands and let him create on the perimeter. Two years ago,
Speaker 1: it was when the Cardinals went to Kansas City, the
Speaker 1: way the Cardinals defense reacted when Tyreek Hill went in motion. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you can be such a distraction to a defense
Speaker 1: even when the ball's nod in your hands, and there's
Speaker 1: that a you know, illusion of complexity if you have
Speaker 1: that sort of guy. So I think that sort of
Speaker 1: player is very important to a Cliff Kingsbury. But Wolf
Speaker 1: hits zoom out in the y receiver room for a minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that room right now? And
Speaker 1: how Cliff Kingsbury is looking at it? And he got
Speaker 1: some questions about using ten personnel more than ever perhaps, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly right now. I don't know if that's going to
Speaker 1: be the case, Polly, I really don't. We'll have a
Speaker 1: front row seed to it, but I think it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to become more physical. I keep thinking of Steve
Speaker 1: Kim and what Steve Kim said, we have two goals
Speaker 1: this offseason. It's to get more physical and bring leadership
Speaker 1: into the locker room. Remember when he said that, Polly,
Speaker 1: there's two goals right there. It's hard to get more
Speaker 1: physical in ten personnel. It just is. Now. Listen, you've
Speaker 1: got to have wide receivers in that room. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt a bond. I think the Arizona Cardinals. When you
Speaker 1: talk about d hop you're talking about the best wide
Speaker 1: receiver in the league, if not one of the top
Speaker 1: three wide receivers in the league. He's in that conversation.
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. When you talk about DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins and then you've got a J. Green that you're
Speaker 1: bringing in on a one year contract, I think he's
Speaker 1: highly motivated. Would you say that AJ Green has done
Speaker 1: some things in the National Football League? Of course? And
Speaker 1: now you've got Christian Kirk is your number three receiver
Speaker 1: and you're gonna bring Rondell More in. Is this guy
Speaker 1: that is going to be explosive? Hey, listen, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a very very competitive room. But never forget to me.
Speaker 1: This team, this offense, in particular, when you talk about
Speaker 1: their improvement, you've got to start with being more physical,
Speaker 1: and that typically means running the ball, and that's where
Speaker 1: big shots down the field happen. I mean, think of
Speaker 1: ba think of Bruce Harrians. This is his offense. His
Speaker 1: entire philosophy is running the ball, banging it and then
Speaker 1: using play action to throw it down the field. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where Rondel Moore becomes even more dangerous,
Speaker 1: not only a lateral threat, but vertically over the top.
Speaker 1: You get play action going and you start hurting some
Speaker 1: teams running the ball in between the tackles. Man, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, throwing the ball over the top becomes
Speaker 1: a lot easier. Look, we know this and you cited it.
Speaker 1: Two of the big things in the offseason leadership get
Speaker 1: more physical. But Wolf, especially towards the end of last season.
Speaker 1: We do the Coaches Show every week and Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: would cite the need to improve the intermediate passing game.
Speaker 1: That underneath passing game. How often do they see the
Speaker 1: two high safeties. Well, you tell me, you're the guy
Speaker 1: you know watches the film and the x's and oh's.
Speaker 1: But if you can start hitting a Rondale more underneath,
Speaker 1: or a big body guy like an AJ Green. To me,
Speaker 1: that's a remedy, that's an adjustment to the adjustment that
Speaker 1: defense is seemingly made to the Cardinals offense last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, Polly. But it is going
Speaker 1: to be really interesting to see how they use Rondale
Speaker 1: More in particular, and I cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 1: Do you know, Henry Ruggs the third last year was
Speaker 1: the first wide receiver taken off the board. Why do
Speaker 1: you think that was, Polly? Speed? Speed, baby, the raider,
Speaker 1: speed over the top. It kills even when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the ball, he's punching holes in a secondary holes
Speaker 1: that are filled by talented receivers. And that's the Rondelle
Speaker 1: more impact to me, Even when he doesn't have the ball,
Speaker 1: he's gonna impact secondaries and coverages that look. Once upon
Speaker 1: a time, the Arizona Cardinals drafted an Kuon Boldman round two. Okay,
Speaker 1: but there have been other guys recently with measurables of
Speaker 1: the receiver position who didn't pan out, like a Chad
Speaker 1: Williams or a Keem Butler. We'll see about Annie Isabella.
Speaker 1: So it all comes down to can you play a reminder?
Speaker 1: Season four, Episode one of Cardinal's Flight Plan is available now,
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals YouTube channel back with more on The
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford in Gilbert, Hello, Steve,
Speaker 1: how's it going, Steve? We're gonna kill everyone. We're gonna
Speaker 1: kill everyone. We're gonna get a super bull ring so
Speaker 1: big on our finger, Joe Dog wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: jump over. I love it, man, I love it. We'll good.
Speaker 1: We'll keep that attitude. Zaven, Michael did well. Congratulations, were
Speaker 1: so excited to make you a Cardinal. Enjoy the moment
Speaker 1: with your finger money, Okay, enjoy it. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put your name in now, you're welcome. Enjoy it.
Speaker 1: That was emotional. Holy cow. All access coverage from the
Speaker 1: Cardinals draft room last Thursday night, the first round selection
Speaker 1: of Zaven Collins out of Tulsa, from a very small
Speaker 1: town in Oklahoma. You've got the full the full rundown
Speaker 1: of that on episode two of Cardinals Flight Plan a
Speaker 1: little bit later this month, The Wolf I might regret
Speaker 1: this year as we wrap up this edition at the
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, where
Speaker 1: were you on draft night? And what was your phone
Speaker 1: call all about? Yeah, that's good, bully right there. First
Speaker 1: of all, a couple of things I got to get
Speaker 1: out here as safety tips on. My agent told me
Speaker 1: that I'd go somewhere from the fourth round as high
Speaker 1: as the fourth round to the sixth round going into
Speaker 1: this draft. And before the draft, I got a call
Speaker 1: from Bill Parcels. This is before the draft, Paul. I
Speaker 1: got a call from Bill Parcels that said, hey, listen, run,
Speaker 1: if you don't get drafted, we'd like to go ahead
Speaker 1: and sign you as an undrafted free agent. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine why? I mean, would you say Bill Parcells had
Speaker 1: a little bit of cred in nineteen eighty five. That's
Speaker 1: a tad deflating. Yes. I was like, okay, Bill, And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, my agents tell me four to
Speaker 1: six somewhere in there, and you're calling me before the
Speaker 1: draft saying, hey, listen, you know, if you don't get drafted,
Speaker 1: we'd love to sign you. Man. That blew my mind
Speaker 1: right there. And you got to remember as well, ESPN
Speaker 1: only carried the draft into the third round, So sure enough,
Speaker 1: the ESPN gets out of it and the third round
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there. I get a phone call and
Speaker 1: somebody says, oh, it's Larry Wilson, and I said, give
Speaker 1: me the phone and I picked. I said, who is
Speaker 1: this Ron, This is Larry Wilson with the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1: We're getting ready to draft you. This is not Larry Wilson,
Speaker 1: just being quiet thought it was one of my buddies
Speaker 1: actually ripping on me. Right. He goes, no, No, this
Speaker 1: is Larry and we're getting ready to actually draft you.
Speaker 1: Here I had one hundred and four overall, and I
Speaker 1: was so embarrassed, Paul. But you know what I was
Speaker 1: moving that day as well, I believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Great planning. Does that surprise you, Paul, that I had
Speaker 1: different things planned on the day I was going to
Speaker 1: be drafted. It was just incredible. The entire experience. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it, and especially it's special to me because
Speaker 1: of Wilson making that call, no doubt, no doubt, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer rest in piece Larry Wilson or Jim
Speaker 1: on the Hunter relays how Roy Green, which is what
Speaker 1: five six years earlier before you came into the league,
Speaker 1: said he didn't even have a phone in his storm
Speaker 1: does that Henderson State in Arkansas. So he gave the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and all the other teams a pay phone number
Speaker 1: located on the basketball players floor and told the guys
Speaker 1: on the basketball team, Hey, if that phone rings, and
Speaker 1: asked for me, come find me. Hey, PAULI when my
Speaker 1: brother got drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the fifth round, Mike,
Speaker 1: my sister was giving us all the thumbs down on
Speaker 1: the phone and hung it up and said, it's some
Speaker 1: guy named Chuck Noll. She was disappointed it wasn't the bills.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that? Oh no, that's an all timer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well if you waited to the very end of the show,
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