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Speaker 1: we're having an outdoor gear manufacturing convention. Did you catch that? Dave?
Speaker 2: Yes? I got that. Okay, that's probably all I'll get today.
Speaker 1: Joining party by Dave Smith, and we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: clear something up right away. Dave isn't hearing everything. And
Speaker 1: last time he was on the show, his wife told
Speaker 1: him he sounded arrogant. I didn't catch because he'll just
Speaker 1: he was just missing parts. Are you open about this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I explain to your problem.
Speaker 2: Well yeah.
Speaker 3: And by the way, my wife before this, she gave
Speaker 3: me some words of encouragement. She said, she said, remember, Dave,
Speaker 3: you don't have to be funny, charming and intellectual, just
Speaker 3: be yourself. So I was like that that really helped
Speaker 3: a lot. But yeah, I just I can't hear shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just way too much shooting and with
Speaker 3: without wearing hearing protection and guiding. And I've taken as
Speaker 3: many as twenty four goose hunters by myself on one hunt.
Speaker 2: And so don't don't be Dave.
Speaker 3: Wear hearing protection because it sucks when you get in
Speaker 3: this situation, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's got isolated, You got your hearing aids in.
Speaker 2: Got him, got him cranked up. We'll do the best
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So if you're at home thinking, man, Dave guy's an
Speaker 1: arrogant bastard. He may be, it's just that he can't hear.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's gonna be a problem for today.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: Joined also by Jason Phelps, the team from the founder
Speaker 1: of Phelps Game Calls. Joined by the Lewises from f
Speaker 1: HF GEAR. Yep, I won't say say a little bit
Speaker 1: more now.
Speaker 4: What you want us to say?
Speaker 1: The highly ever Bowls, the highly ver Bowls Paul Lewis
Speaker 1: and John Lewis from FHF Gear.
Speaker 4: My wife's here to tell me that same encouragement.
Speaker 1: Is going to give you live feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you guys are designers, like you guys are designers,
Speaker 1: so you spend a lot of time just not you
Speaker 1: spend a lot of quiet time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just that'd be.
Speaker 1: The goal anyway, It is the goal.
Speaker 6: We just got done with the shows down in Salt
Speaker 6: Lake and Portland, and for me at least, like my
Speaker 6: voice is gone by the first day because I'm I'm
Speaker 6: used to sitting in sitting in it, like Dave said,
Speaker 6: a dark dungeon and not talking to anybody. So yeah,
Speaker 6: needs to exercise the vocal cords a little bit.
Speaker 1: Are you all visited out after doing trade shows?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we both get where we need to.
Speaker 6: Just this will be the most socialization. We'll do probably
Speaker 6: for the next week or so. How many trade shows
Speaker 6: did you go to?
Speaker 7: This is number two we have of three four, so
Speaker 7: we have three more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I try not to keep track.
Speaker 6: But it's a lot, a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 6: of talking. All yeah, man, but it's good. I mean,
Speaker 6: I enjoy seeing seeing the customers and like getting that feedback.
Speaker 4: It just my voice goes out fairly early in the
Speaker 4: trip usually.
Speaker 1: Phelps, Did you like doing trade shows?
Speaker 4: I love them.
Speaker 8: They do they wear on you, though. I mean, I
Speaker 8: like being at them, but I'm not in the same breath.
Speaker 8: I'm glad that they were on the same weekend this
Speaker 8: year and they're just done and over with. But no,
Speaker 8: it's always good to catch up with your customers and
Speaker 8: listen to hunting stories and shoot the crap.
Speaker 1: You know what I liked that I didn't know you
Speaker 1: guys had is at your booth. You have that chart
Speaker 1: that like game call that that the major ram call matrix.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just because you spend so much time explaining
Speaker 8: the same thing, so it's easy to point, you know,
Speaker 8: and like, hey, this calls down here, this calls up here.
Speaker 9: I would have rigged it, so it was work like
Speaker 9: had a goal, so work better, works better, works better,
Speaker 9: then nobody leads to a high price margin.
Speaker 1: Man, I thought we could. I was gonna say, at
Speaker 1: some point, we're not going to buy the ones that
Speaker 1: work worse. But I get that damage the sales on
Speaker 1: the little on the little working calls Clay's here. He
Speaker 1: doesn't make anything. All his trust, all his stuff is
Speaker 1: written in words.
Speaker 10: That's right.
Speaker 1: He makes a little. He makes cute carvings and artworks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you see your picture out there?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Man, yeah, krink.
Speaker 1: He grabbed the picture so we can show the picture again.
Speaker 10: Finally made it. Made it.
Speaker 1: We're doing you know, we're doing a T shirt design.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard about that.
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm gonna show it again.
Speaker 10: Hey, I was gonna say, I was going to ask
Speaker 10: you a question, Jason about your trade shows. Are you
Speaker 10: the guy that's elk bugling like NonStop, just like just
Speaker 10: like attracting attention?
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then like the specially because this is where
Speaker 8: I put it, Clay, can you and your own words
Speaker 8: quickly explained?
Speaker 10: So a couple of years ago I found this at
Speaker 10: my mom and dad's house and had completely forgotten that
Speaker 10: I had drawn this when I was a junior in
Speaker 10: high school in art class. It's a pen and ink
Speaker 10: of a muscled up dude, like a future man, yeah,
Speaker 10: with a machine gun shooting a big hog in a
Speaker 10: cyper swamp. And I made a living in high school
Speaker 10: man off drawing muscled up guys. I don't know what
Speaker 10: it was, but I was like, I just like drew
Speaker 10: those guys NonStop. And I think this is a This
Speaker 10: is the first time I've realized this. This is a
Speaker 10: spin off the Bo Jackson wearing his wearing his shoulder
Speaker 10: pads with the with a baseball bat. Yeah were you
Speaker 10: do you remember you? Oh, this was inspired by that, well,
Speaker 10: the shoulder pads. He's wearing football shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: He's been on the show.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Bo Jackson man, Now he had Bo Jackson had
Speaker 10: a famous baseball card or football card where he had
Speaker 10: his shirt off, shoulder pads on with a baseball bat.
Speaker 10: I think that's what inspired the shoulder pads. But yeah,
Speaker 10: so we're gonna make a T shirt machine gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that'd be a good name for the shirt.
Speaker 10: That's what I think. That's what we referred to it as.
Speaker 1: That's great, it's great.
Speaker 2: Artwork that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Uh and then uh, Dave Smith. Of course you're from
Speaker 1: from uh D s D. You know, how do you
Speaker 1: guys handle that there's Dave Smith decoys and then D
Speaker 1: S D decoys. Have ever asked you about this?
Speaker 3: So I've always tried to push D s D because
Speaker 3: it sounds less because arrogant.
Speaker 1: Exactly because you're arrogant.
Speaker 3: So I meant at the beginning, I wanted to call
Speaker 3: them zombies zombie decoys, and that just didn't stick. You know,
Speaker 3: people were just like, you know, you got to go
Speaker 3: get Dave Smith, you know, if you got any of
Speaker 3: Dave Smith, and that just sort of that just sort
Speaker 3: of happened.
Speaker 2: So but now you know, we're.
Speaker 3: A larger you know, larger company and part of a
Speaker 3: larger company and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Like I don't it just so you're comfortable.
Speaker 3: I don't offend Jason because of the Felps scholar or
Speaker 3: whatever like that. But I just like felt like it's
Speaker 3: it's a I have, you know, not I'm not like
Speaker 3: the you know, the big decision maker on everything, you know,
Speaker 3: I mostly do the artwork part of it and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So it's a there's so much contributors to
Speaker 3: DSD that I wanted to make sure that it wasn't
Speaker 3: all about me.
Speaker 1: So you're comfortable to be in DSD decoys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever d s D.
Speaker 3: I mean, DSD Decoys doesn't really make sense because it's
Speaker 3: Dave Smith decoy, so it'd be like, yeah.
Speaker 8: I'm I'm changing Phelps game calls the PGC after him
Speaker 8: talking about arrogance and his name.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna Philips.
Speaker 1: We're going back to PGC.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, already, already, I'm alreadysier to say than f
Speaker 2: h F.
Speaker 1: Joined also by Brad Cochran, who's never been on the
Speaker 1: show before. Brad Cochran from DSD.
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I want to get to something. I want
Speaker 1: to get something about your decoy philosophy. Okay, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it later. He well, no, we'll I want to
Speaker 1: touch on then we'll delve into it later. You you, uh, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to just go all the way.
Speaker 10: You always do this. You always go you touch on
Speaker 10: like the most thing, and you're like, we're gonna get
Speaker 10: back to it. Just go for it, Okay, just let's
Speaker 10: go all in.
Speaker 1: You uh all right, you have a rule that you
Speaker 1: don't want to shoot. Now you've bushwacked turkeys in the
Speaker 1: past and done all the oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 12: I mean I got into turkey hunting when I was
Speaker 12: fourteen years old, so you know, I imagine, like a lot
Speaker 12: of new turkey hunters, it was all about getting a bird, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah in the beginning, and belly crawling, bushwacking, yeah, ditch crawling, yeah,
Speaker 1: strangling whatever it took. Yeah, but you got now you
Speaker 1: don't want to hunt them if you're not using a decoy.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Walk me through that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons for it,
Speaker 12: I would say, first and foremost, for me, it's really
Speaker 12: about the the experience I've found that there. There's just
Speaker 12: there's there's nothing quite as memorable to me as having
Speaker 12: that really close encounter, and with decoys, I can draw
Speaker 12: them in as close as I want. Essentially, you know,
Speaker 12: I mean, obviously I have to be concealed. That's certainly
Speaker 12: an important component to it. But there's also you know,
Speaker 12: it's it's challenging. I like to let I like to
Speaker 12: let my season, you know, I like it to last
Speaker 12: more than three days. We have a six week long
Speaker 12: season in Oregon. Back home so.
Speaker 1: How many turkeys you guys a loud three? Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: One per day, three per season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you turkey numbers holding up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: They are. Our turkeys are doing really well.
Speaker 1: When you when you're when you say that that there's
Speaker 1: a trick to it, do you feel that there's a
Speaker 1: trick to how you set him out? Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, you know you want them to be visible
Speaker 12: for sure, And I think it's really important that you
Speaker 12: go into your hunt knowing that. Okay, my goal is
Speaker 12: to decoy a bird, right, So my mindset isn't that
Speaker 12: I want to get a bird however I possibly can.
Speaker 12: It is I want to draw a bird into the
Speaker 12: decoy before I shoot it.
Speaker 1: If you want to spur it at decoy, you know.
Speaker 12: I mean not necessarily, because sometimes I might just be
Speaker 12: using a hand decoy, Like if I'm archery hunting, for example,
Speaker 12: I've had better success with just a single hand decoy
Speaker 12: because the bird is more likely to either come in
Speaker 12: full strut and he's not moving versus you know, when
Speaker 12: you put a gobbler decoy out. Oftentimes the bird's responses
Speaker 12: is that they're very aggressive when they come in. They
Speaker 12: come running in, they come you know, kicking the shit
Speaker 12: out of the decoy and you're sitting there and you're
Speaker 12: waiting for the bird to stop, and you know general
Speaker 12: rule of thumb, I would say, I need a good
Speaker 12: five seconds to get drawn back, you know, find my
Speaker 12: my aiming point, and then let my arrowfly. And that
Speaker 12: can be really difficult if you've got a bird that
Speaker 12: is so pissed off at your gobbler decoy that he
Speaker 12: just won't stop, you know, eating the hell out of it.
Speaker 12: So I've found that shooting a bird in full strut
Speaker 12: is ideal, and actually the most ideal is when you
Speaker 12: can get a bird to climb up on top of
Speaker 12: your hand decoy. So we make a decoy called our
Speaker 12: mating hand decoy. She's actually laying on her belly and
Speaker 12: she's she's in a breeding position. It's a very natural
Speaker 12: looking breeding position and it's really effective because it's super
Speaker 12: stable and it's it's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Well they climb up there, Yeah, don't you think that
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he doesn't show up and think, like, man,
Speaker 1: there's no way that just laying out there a breeding
Speaker 1: position real quick? Usually do you think that.
Speaker 2: I hunt?
Speaker 1: So one of the places that hut my buddy, Uh
Speaker 1: Doug Durren's place for the youth season, and and uh
Speaker 1: sometimes you get where uh you get where gobblers won't
Speaker 1: come out. You know, they'll know that decoys out there.
Speaker 1: Do you think when a gobler won't come out and
Speaker 1: it just wants to like watch that decoy and then
Speaker 1: shy off from a gop from a male decoy, do
Speaker 1: you think is that he don't buy it or you
Speaker 1: think that he don't want to go out and tussle
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 12: I would say, I mean, it's just if it's is
Speaker 12: one of our decoys. I mean, is it a realistic
Speaker 12: looking decoy we're talking about, or.
Speaker 1: Just say like whatever, yeah, like yeah, one of your decoys.
Speaker 12: Yeah, in that situation, I would say, you know, assuming
Speaker 12: that you know, your height is good and he didn't
Speaker 12: see somebody move or pick you out or call terribly yeah, yeah,
Speaker 12: then yeah, maybe he's just not in the mood to
Speaker 12: challenge another.
Speaker 1: Bird because uh, the way he's got set it up.
Speaker 1: He's got like this trail cam and we'll set up
Speaker 1: and sit and he'll he'll be like, oh yeah, every
Speaker 1: day that bird comes out and does whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: And then so me and my kids go out there
Speaker 1: and we set up like a you know, a pack
Speaker 1: of them and uh using that using a half strutter,
Speaker 1: and he might come down and see that and not
Speaker 1: like it. But if it's just a hen right out now,
Speaker 1: I was warm. If that bird doesn't want to get
Speaker 1: his ass kicked.
Speaker 8: Sometimes I would say that it's the difference because then
Speaker 8: the other ones, you know, and then you might get
Speaker 8: one just runs out there like.
Speaker 1: Totally intent on fighting that thing. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: they got different moods or whatever.
Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying, right, And that's why we
Speaker 12: make gobbler and hen decoys and multiple different poses. You know,
Speaker 12: you see our strutter decoy over there, and he's a
Speaker 12: very dominant that's a very dominant pose right there, and
Speaker 12: any gobbler that season knows that he's asserting himself. Whereas
Speaker 12: that one over there, which I'm going to call the
Speaker 12: half strut bake because that's really what it is, and
Speaker 12: that way Dave doesn't kill me. Somewhere along the lines,
Speaker 12: that got called the three quarter shrud Jake, and it
Speaker 12: got printed on a UPC label and put on five
Speaker 12: hundred boxes shipping to bass pro shops.
Speaker 1: He was three quarter strudding.
Speaker 12: He's actually half strutting. That's the intention of that decoy.
Speaker 12: So we're going to call it the half strut, Jake,
Speaker 12: even though it technically, if you look on our website,
Speaker 12: it's called the three quarter.
Speaker 1: Shread, Jake, tell me about the unhappiness. You just think
Speaker 1: it's goofy to say something's three quarter strutting, three quarter
Speaker 1: crow rams.
Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I mean I put a
Speaker 3: lot of effort in to the poses and make sure
Speaker 3: I try to make him as accurate as possible and
Speaker 3: everything like that, and that is a half strut, Jake.
Speaker 12: I think what you have to realize here, Steve, is
Speaker 12: that Dave he studies birds obviously a lot, and and
Speaker 12: their anatomy, and there are you know, there there are
Speaker 12: other there are other poses that would be close more
Speaker 12: closely resemble a three quarter Strutchach. In other words, he
Speaker 12: there are poses between that decoy that are closer to
Speaker 12: a bird that's in full strut like that one right there,
Speaker 12: It would be more appropriate to call a three quarter
Speaker 12: stretch ache.
Speaker 1: You know those shirts to show like the evolution to man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should do one of make it like ten steps
Speaker 1: toward full strut. Yea with the fractions. Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: one be like hanging out and then at the end
Speaker 1: of the turkey in full strut, and it just shows
Speaker 1: him'd be great decoy guy. We should cancel that about that,
Speaker 1: we should cancel that that future man and just do
Speaker 1: the thing on the way to the thing to.
Speaker 10: Help people be able to describe what they're seeing. Like
Speaker 10: if I'm telling the story, I'm like, man a turkey
Speaker 10: with seven eight strut.
Speaker 1: How often do you how often do you see that?
Speaker 1: You know, when Jake's come in, Jake's come in and
Speaker 1: get nervous about Jake's come in and get nervous about strutters?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 12: They can, they can?
Speaker 1: What do you think that what's going on in your head?
Speaker 12: I would say that most of the time, Jakes are
Speaker 12: probably intimidated by a strutter decoy if they're not gonna
Speaker 12: approach it. But I've had I've had even individual Jakes
Speaker 12: come up and attack our strutter. That's what I'm likely
Speaker 12: to happen.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to get to next, is
Speaker 1: when you get a handful of them and they're going
Speaker 1: to take it on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had situations where I was hunting one big
Speaker 3: Tom and he absolutely would not come in because there's
Speaker 3: three jakes and my decoys, and I couldn't get rid
Speaker 3: of the jakes. I'm finally I'm like, maybe I should
Speaker 3: just start shooting the jakes or something that's gonna be frustrating.
Speaker 3: But it's like with everything too, even with the dear dycoy.
Speaker 3: I've had bucks step out and see the dear decoy
Speaker 3: and I'm super excited, and I'm like, I know it's
Speaker 3: a buck that has been aggressive before, and then it's
Speaker 3: just like on this day, he just doesn't want to
Speaker 3: deal with it. And I always thought that individuals were
Speaker 3: in their certain pecking order turkeys or deer, and that
Speaker 3: that that's how they'll always be. But even their mood
Speaker 3: can change within the hour or day to day and
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: There's no situation where like, at a minimum, you're gonna
Speaker 1: use a hen, right, and then there's no situation. Have
Speaker 1: you ever set out have you? Do you ever use
Speaker 1: no hen and.
Speaker 12: Just a gobbler decoy? Yeah, maybe it's happened before. If
Speaker 12: it has happened, it was probably because I was just
Speaker 12: trying to move really quickly and I only felt like
Speaker 12: I had time, you know, maybe to grab one decoy
Speaker 12: and and set one decoy, because the draw of a
Speaker 12: gobbler decoy is that, you know, if you have an
Speaker 12: aggressive bird, oftentimes that that might be the only tool
Speaker 12: you have to draw him away from his hens, is
Speaker 12: to threaten him with another gobbler who's who's challenging him.
Speaker 1: Then he might kind of he might want to come
Speaker 1: in rough.
Speaker 12: Yeah, because if a bird has five hens with him
Speaker 12: and he sees another hen, you know, sure he might.
Speaker 12: He might gobble at you, but he's he's not gonna leave.
Speaker 12: He's not going to leave the real deal. And so
Speaker 12: just generally speaking, I would say that you're gonna have
Speaker 12: better success with a gobbler decoy if a birds end up.
Speaker 1: One of the things I like watching is uh, I
Speaker 1: like watching the hen come up to a hen and
Speaker 1: how they get like gradually really pissed. At first they're
Speaker 1: like purring at it, and pretty soon like hey, what's
Speaker 1: your problem? And then they're like packing it. I've had
Speaker 1: them come in and like lay down next to it,
Speaker 1: you know, like thinking they're hanging out and then get
Speaker 1: mad at it and pack it. You watch them go
Speaker 1: through this whole little friendship.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's crazy, you know, keeps.
Speaker 1: Everybody entertained with your decoy. I know some tombo Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I was hunting my boy one time and we had
Speaker 1: we just had all we had. We had a DSD
Speaker 1: hen and the hen came out and I'm not kiddy
Speaker 1: man like laid down with it, just set there forever,
Speaker 1: laid down not moving and then got irritated at it
Speaker 1: and like purred at it, got eyeball to eyeball with it.
Speaker 1: Was just not getting what it wanted out of it,
Speaker 1: packing at it, you know, bullying it because the.
Speaker 10: Hen wasn't saying anything back. I don't know, I can't
Speaker 10: tell questions. It wasn't responding.
Speaker 1: And that in that same spot where that happened, we
Speaker 1: had a KYO come over and roll that thing, which happens, yeah,
Speaker 1: which happens pretty frequently, come out and roll it. They
Speaker 1: more reliably roll the decoys than like a predator caller decoy.
Speaker 1: They'll charge it a lot of times, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just a predator caller sitting there with a little tail waving.
Speaker 1: They'll charge it and then they'll change their mind. But
Speaker 1: the decoys they go for it. I think cause it
Speaker 1: looks like they get there and it looks like what
Speaker 1: they're expecting. It doesn't look like a plastic box with
Speaker 1: a chunk of tail hanging off it. And then do you, uh,
Speaker 1: do you change, like, do you change your setup? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about youth season? You seasons always
Speaker 1: real early. When I talk about having having like where
Speaker 1: you see like a bird, he seems like he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to duke it out, you know, and he's like
Speaker 1: a little bit shy about coming up to his strutter decoy.
Speaker 1: But that's early, right, you would still be snow on
Speaker 1: the ground. So do you change how you set your
Speaker 1: decoys throughout the season?
Speaker 12: Sure, I mean that it changes as the season progressives,
Speaker 12: but it also you know, it can it could depend on,
Speaker 12: you know, an individual bird that I might be going
Speaker 12: after or so it's not necessarily what I'd use for
Speaker 12: decoys doesn't necessarily correlate with the time of the season.
Speaker 12: A lot of times back home, our birds are still
Speaker 12: pretty flocked up during the youth hunt because that's the
Speaker 12: weekend before our season. Sure, we're April fifteenth, and the
Speaker 12: Saturday and Sunday prior to April fifteenth is the youth hunt.
Speaker 12: So you know, I mean a lot of times we'll
Speaker 12: be setting up on you know, maybe the roost is
Speaker 12: holding thirty forty birds, and a week or two later
Speaker 12: there's only you know, maybe fifteen. So a lot of
Speaker 12: times during that youth hunt, you're actually not hunting too
Speaker 12: many individual gobblers, but there's lots of groups of you know, three,
Speaker 12: four or five birds running around and they're pretty dang aggressive.
Speaker 12: You put a gobbler decoy out and it doesn't really
Speaker 12: matter what it is, they're going to come attack it.
Speaker 1: What's the most decoys you ever set out at one time?
Speaker 1: You'll put a whole flock out, like you're hunting geese.
Speaker 12: Probably the most that I've ever put out is maybe five,
Speaker 12: five or so.
Speaker 3: But when we go hunt with Matt Winners, he puts
Speaker 3: out like twelve.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, they're tel turkey decoys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And we have we have several customers that
Speaker 3: do that and they just every time they're just shocked
Speaker 3: at how well it works. And I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 3: that it works that good because it's like, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the flock of turkeys is, you know, encountering
Speaker 3: a whole new.
Speaker 1: Flock and yeah, they're like I thought I was the flock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's go mingle. But yeah, it's pretty fun
Speaker 3: when you, uh, when we have done that. Matt is
Speaker 3: the one who really turned that on the first time
Speaker 3: we ever went. He's in Kansas. The first time we
Speaker 3: ever went to go hunt with him, he wanted to
Speaker 3: impress us of how many DSDs he had and he
Speaker 3: had them all out in his yard and.
Speaker 1: Then you wanted to show you what a good customer
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, actually yeah, And he's just been h he's
Speaker 3: been buying up first light gear the last couple of
Speaker 3: weeks and weeks. He's just like a great supporter of
Speaker 3: DSP and anything that we do.
Speaker 2: He's just a great guy.
Speaker 4: We love it.
Speaker 2: We love him all right.
Speaker 1: Give me, like, give me the just give people like
Speaker 1: the setup. If people aren't gonna try to figure a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff out and they're not gonna buy
Speaker 1: a dozen and they're just starting out, what do they
Speaker 1: want to put out? They want to put out a
Speaker 1: strutter and a hen like, just like give it like
Speaker 1: the straightest, most most you know, idiot proof setup for idiots.
Speaker 12: Well, like I always I asked him first you know
Speaker 12: about their hunt. First off, are you a shotgun hunter
Speaker 12: or are you an archery hunter?
Speaker 1: Shotgun?
Speaker 12: Okay, you're a shotgun hunter. Then I get a hen
Speaker 12: in at Jake decoy.
Speaker 1: Hending to Jake, Yeah really yeah.
Speaker 10: Three quarter strut.
Speaker 1: So you just if you're telling someone like, okay, let me,
Speaker 1: let me give you the profile of the guy. There's
Speaker 1: a guy. Let's just say there's a guy that knows
Speaker 1: he's got access on some field and it's not a
Speaker 1: big spot. He's got access on forty acres and now
Speaker 1: and then he notices on his way to work he'll
Speaker 1: see some turkeys out in the field and he thinks
Speaker 1: to himself, Man, I'm gonna go out in that field
Speaker 1: on O ME day and I'm gonna sit there. And
Speaker 1: that's as much as he knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a perfect Jake and a hen Hen guy that,
Speaker 3: like some of the guys, will will start him off
Speaker 3: with a strutter. If they have like a big boss
Speaker 3: Tom that they've been having, you know, trouble with, that's
Speaker 3: the time to put a strutter.
Speaker 2: But it's also.
Speaker 3: Trouble well, like they're just they just have been able
Speaker 3: to get him to go to commit by any other
Speaker 3: way or with other decoys or something like that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean a half stritch jake and a upright hand
Speaker 3: is a great I mean people have done that for
Speaker 3: years and years just starting out and had great success
Speaker 3: with it. And we've had quite a few people at
Speaker 3: the beginning just put out just an upright hand only
Speaker 3: and start with that. But if you can afford two decoys, uh,
Speaker 3: Jac and Hen just really covers it. And then after that,
Speaker 3: if you want to improve your odds and you start
Speaker 3: adding in at least like confidence poses like feeders and
Speaker 3: printers and that kind of that, that kind of helps
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 4: Do you.
Speaker 1: My buddy' Zuck when he's putting them out, he likes
Speaker 1: to put him out where he's like, well, yeah, but
Speaker 1: they I could picture him walk in toward that corner,
Speaker 1: and you make sure that that they look like they're
Speaker 1: traveling in direct yeah, into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we made a striding hand just for that purpose,
Speaker 3: and when some people a little by, three or four
Speaker 3: of them just for that reason. So we're just trying
Speaker 3: to offer everything and give you lots of options so
Speaker 3: that everyone's confused.
Speaker 10: Is there any decoy company that makes realistic looking feet
Speaker 10: turkey feet.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I don't know why.
Speaker 10: That's the only part of any decoy that's not realistic.
Speaker 10: But I mean, by the time they get that close,
Speaker 10: it's probably two heats in the grass. But I mean,
Speaker 10: you know they've they've all got the state coming down.
Speaker 10: And I mean a turkey turkey feet are kind of bright,
Speaker 10: you know that bright pink. I just wondered if there's
Speaker 10: like if you could and it maybe maybe it's it's
Speaker 10: not a factor.
Speaker 3: But there are some things that I can't tell you.
Speaker 3: I can't say right now, but we we we agree it.
Speaker 10: Could be like a detachable bipod. I bet I don't
Speaker 10: have any inside intel here.
Speaker 1: I'll shut out. Oh, I can tell what Dave can't say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've detected not can tell. I can't tell you.
Speaker 10: I've got some ideas, But.
Speaker 3: I mean, feet are a huge part of birds like
Speaker 3: Mallard ducks.
Speaker 2: Even sitting on the water.
Speaker 10: You can see feet are huge, a huge part of it.
Speaker 3: And Canada geese, especially the large race white cheek geese,
Speaker 3: the feet are a huge.
Speaker 4: Part of it.
Speaker 3: And and I've fought that battle with the DSD forever,
Speaker 3: like wanting to have full legs and feet. So we
Speaker 3: have legs, but we don't have feet. But the feet
Speaker 3: are really a big part of a goose.
Speaker 10: How about a little battery pack where they move like this.
Speaker 1: So it's you're saying that the feet means something to
Speaker 1: a bird. Well, picture that you saw a dude standing
Speaker 1: on a field with no legs, but he was hovering.
Speaker 1: But it's really normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because like in our goose hutting, a
Speaker 3: lot of our goose setting is about landing birds and
Speaker 3: having them walking around the decoys. So we somehow we'll
Speaker 3: use small spreads but get birds to land, and then
Speaker 3: those are our decoys while we try to get other
Speaker 3: birds come in in case we want to look for
Speaker 3: a like ban or net collar out of the air.
Speaker 3: And it's like, it's probably okay that the decoys don't
Speaker 3: have feet while the birds are coming into land. If
Speaker 3: you wanted to shoot at the first flock that came in,
Speaker 3: it's probably fine land. But once they land they're walking
Speaker 3: around the decoys. It does seem like, I mean, the
Speaker 3: decoys hold birds really well, but it does seem like
Speaker 3: it's just not right that all the decoys are like
Speaker 3: hovering there on a post.
Speaker 2: It bothers me. I don't know if it bothers the birds, but.
Speaker 3: It'd be kind of cool to have the complete bird
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: But usually they're like sitting in grass. But anyways, I
Speaker 1: got what you're saying.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: In your guys line up, when did you start making
Speaker 1: turkey decoys? Because you all everything like you were like
Speaker 1: all geese all the time, and then you moved into Brad.
Speaker 3: Is the d S historian, and he's good with dates
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's all a blur to me.
Speaker 12: So, Brad, it was in eight with our upright hand.
Speaker 2: It was in eight with our upright So can we
Speaker 2: edit that out?
Speaker 1: Who's the who paints the Is there a turkey painting specialist?
Speaker 12: I mean our whole paint crew paints them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, is there like, is it divided
Speaker 1: out or to the same people that paint geese paint turkeys.
Speaker 12: Oh that's correct, Yeah, that's how we do it.
Speaker 1: It's divided out.
Speaker 12: So if they paint geese, they also paint.
Speaker 3: Okay, and they get sick of I They kind of
Speaker 3: get sick of painting this one thing for for a
Speaker 3: long long time and they actually like a little bit
Speaker 3: of variety.
Speaker 2: They don't mind going.
Speaker 3: From turkeys to geese and back to you know, turkeys
Speaker 3: and then the deer or something like that.
Speaker 2: Got it kind of monot monotonous.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, when they paint him, is it a small what
Speaker 1: is the tool? Is a small airbrush they use?
Speaker 3: They use big touch up guns and then small airbrush
Speaker 3: and then a lot of hand painting too, hm so,
Speaker 3: and then there's stencils, stenciling.
Speaker 1: I don't want a dog in any particular decoy company,
Speaker 1: but I remember we used to when we were younger.
Speaker 1: We'd buy like a certain brand of decoys, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times you'd see where they did it was
Speaker 1: automated or something, because the they'd miss yeah, like the
Speaker 1: white patch, Yeah, the spot, Yeah, like the white man
Speaker 1: would be around the bag. It's like, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1: But when someone buys one, it's been like there's been
Speaker 1: a dude painting on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, No, I don't know for sure.
Speaker 12: And there's probably been like five people that contributed to
Speaker 12: that one decoy because we don't we don't have like
Speaker 12: individual stations where somebody paints a decoy from start to finish,
Speaker 12: you know, and put a base later on, and then
Speaker 12: you know, progressively, step by step it'll move down to
Speaker 12: the next person and so on and so forth until
Speaker 12: it's fully painted.
Speaker 1: You ever seen But none of those guys wear braids
Speaker 1: and stuff? Do they? With the little palette?
Speaker 13: We know.
Speaker 1: That'd be a good ad campaign. Man's add with a
Speaker 1: brain and a palette doing some touch ups on it.
Speaker 8: Put some happy little wattles on a turkey.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say, like that, like on
Speaker 3: the like on the streutter, for example, all that red
Speaker 3: is all painted by hand brush and the entire body colored,
Speaker 3: every bit of pearls and irid essence on that that's
Speaker 3: all painted by brush by hand.
Speaker 1: How long does it take to paint a decoy start
Speaker 1: to finish.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 12: That's you know, we get asked that so often.
Speaker 2: And we have no idea. We don't want to I
Speaker 2: don't want to know.
Speaker 1: But you don't add it up now.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Greg does. But yeah, we're working on
Speaker 3: a new decoy right now. That's really really difficult to
Speaker 3: paint that. I can't I mean I can't really talk
Speaker 3: about it because we're not positive that will come out
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: But it's really really difficult to paint.
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh man, if we figured out how many,
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we'll never make a profit with it.
Speaker 1: What it supposed to look like? What kind of animal?
Speaker 1: A bird? A bird one that goes quack like a
Speaker 1: Himalayan cock of the rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a a temis tragopan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What makes it hard the positions into the kind of.
Speaker 2: Bird it's it's a Mallard duck is what we're working
Speaker 2: on right now.
Speaker 3: And it's just a lot of you know, there's just
Speaker 3: there's a lot of airbrushing, a lot of color.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a dumb question and don't that's not
Speaker 1: going to offend people?
Speaker 4: How much?
Speaker 13: Does?
Speaker 8: Doesn't matter? But I'm not I'm not excited. Don't know,
Speaker 8: like if the paint's awful a little bit while the
Speaker 8: birds pick it up, or does it matter ten percent
Speaker 8: of time?
Speaker 10: We've just we have just.
Speaker 3: We just decided a long time ago to just make
Speaker 3: making things as accurate as we possibly can. And I've
Speaker 3: made fish replicas my whole life. And my mentor was
Speaker 3: honestly the best fish replica artists on Earth, Ron Pittard,
Speaker 3: and he just taught me that you just don't You
Speaker 3: just don't stop until something's deadly accurate, and then it
Speaker 3: It has made a huge, huge, huge difference. So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure how much it really matters
Speaker 3: or whatever, but and it's it's not all about oh,
Speaker 3: like I'm doing it for me or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Like it's like, shit, no, we want we want birds
Speaker 2: super super super close. We want to make quick, clean kills.
Speaker 3: Everything we do is mostly for our own hunting, and
Speaker 3: it's to be as absolutely as effective as we can.
Speaker 3: We honestly don't give a shit about you know, how
Speaker 3: pretty the decoys are, whether they were carved by a
Speaker 3: world class carver or anything like that. We just we
Speaker 3: just love to hunt and as effectively as we can.
Speaker 10: So, I mean, I think but realism is a big
Speaker 10: deal with turkey decoys. Yeah, I mean big deal because
Speaker 10: guys were the real serious guys years ago and some
Speaker 10: still today are are using actual turkey mounts, have real
Speaker 10: turkey feathers, and if you're if you're trying to get
Speaker 10: him in close, yeah it's it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: You're just hoping it don't rain.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they get wet.
Speaker 3: Oh there's so many guys that they'll say like, wow,
Speaker 3: we don't like turkey decoys or turkey decoys don't work
Speaker 3: that well and stuff like that. And we've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of footage of birds coming in and they're just
Speaker 3: like hanging up and hanging up like crazy, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I see, you know, turkey decoays don't work that good,
Speaker 3: but they're using some brand of turkey decoys.
Speaker 2: It just looks horrible.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, that's the problem, and that's telling
Speaker 3: us a lot, and that's kind of driving what we do.
Speaker 2: And it's like most.
Speaker 3: Of the time, if we can get those guys to switch,
Speaker 3: then good things happen.
Speaker 1: But I think on anything that's real persnickety and it
Speaker 1: has a ton of components, people can always say, well
Speaker 1: does that matter, does that matter? Does that matter? And
Speaker 1: be like, I can tell you that the sum total matters.
Speaker 1: And perhaps there's parts within this whole approach that if
Speaker 1: you pulled out it wouldn't affect the outcome, but it's
Speaker 1: not discernible. You can't pick the pieces apart. Meaning if
Speaker 1: someone says, like, just camouflage really matter, I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: never gonna say I would have gotten that had I
Speaker 1: not been wearing camo exactly. It's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: in every situation if if you call a bull in
Speaker 1: or call a turkey in, and you go like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rerun the universe and start manipulating
Speaker 1: slight different things like I wasn't wearing a glove, my
Speaker 1: turkey was a little shittier, and then my decoy is
Speaker 1: a little bit shittier looking, and then run the scenario
Speaker 1: to the point where you identify the exact thing that
Speaker 1: had to be right or wrong to make it work.
Speaker 1: You don't get there. But if everything's right and you
Speaker 1: just know it works, I don't really care about what
Speaker 1: parts might have been superfluous. Yeah follow me, Yeah, where
Speaker 1: that globe? I don't know. I just got the turkey.
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's like with goose hunting.
Speaker 3: A lot of it like the hide is so so
Speaker 3: so important, and you know, the calling isn't is important
Speaker 3: if if you're calling at all, and so it's like
Speaker 3: everything really has to be right and you wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to start removing any any part and start taking chances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like there's no way in the world you
Speaker 1: would say that I would have gotten that gobbler if
Speaker 1: my decoy wasn't as high quality.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, and then also, like Brad is alluding to, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you could probably get a gobbler, but
Speaker 3: what do you come into ten yards and really interact
Speaker 3: like crazy with the decoy and just have this breathtaking moment.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, maybe he would have came into thirty
Speaker 3: yards and you could have you know, dumped in with
Speaker 3: a shotgun or whatever. Just depends on what level of
Speaker 3: really fun and excitement you want to take it to.
Speaker 1: I sent you guys that video last year of a
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of gobblers mounting your posturing him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we try to look away when that happens, but
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard too.
Speaker 12: I supposed to watch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get your.
Speaker 12: Head out of the gutter.
Speaker 1: Oh I got one. I got one last bird question,
Speaker 1: one last turkey question. If if the paint job's so
Speaker 1: realistic and all that, why is there what's up with
Speaker 1: using a real fan or not a real fan? I
Speaker 1: can't tell if it matters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've we wanted to make an artificial fan. We
Speaker 3: still want to just because it's so durable, because those
Speaker 3: are a pain to deal with for sure. But you know,
Speaker 3: we haven't been able to make an artificial fan that
Speaker 3: really has the right finish and and translucency and and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. And and we haven't seen any available
Speaker 3: that are that way too. And you know, we have
Speaker 3: a spectrometer and we use it occasionally. We probably should
Speaker 3: use it more or whatever, but so we can kind
Speaker 3: of check the finish and and the reflection on a
Speaker 3: real bird or a real fan compared to a decoy
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And we just haven't been able
Speaker 3: to come up with a real fan that that's durable,
Speaker 3: but we'd love to, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, have you ever thought about doing like map
Speaker 1: spinners and buying and selling fans.
Speaker 2: There's already a company that does that.
Speaker 1: Does you can call them up and buy a Turkey fan?
Speaker 3: Well, we we've we sent some customers to them, but
Speaker 3: most of our customers will have a you know.
Speaker 1: I can stack them, dude, I like every year, I
Speaker 1: like go through and and sort them, take the bad ones,
Speaker 1: get rid of them, promote the good ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just dusting off my fan pile the other
Speaker 1: day thinking about coming up.
Speaker 12: Yeah, turkeys are Turkey fans are one of those things
Speaker 12: like I find my stuff every time I clean a bird.
Speaker 12: It's sick so hard for to throw it away, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So you think that. Uh so when you're
Speaker 1: setting up, when you guys are setting up, you're setting
Speaker 1: up with a real fan if it's a full struck bird,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Huh you know that some uh
Speaker 1: you know that fanning. Some states are starting to come
Speaker 1: out with rules about creeping up on turkeys with a
Speaker 1: turkey fan.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin you can't do that anymore.
Speaker 12: And I think maybe even in Kansas you can't reap.
Speaker 12: But don't quote me on that.
Speaker 1: Can't move how they spelled it out, You can't move around.
Speaker 1: There's some rule you can't like move around with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and a lot of people have been reaping
Speaker 3: where they they'll take even ardi KOI and get behind
Speaker 3: it and start crawling around. And and I've never done myself,
Speaker 3: but I've even my some of my turkey partners have
Speaker 3: done it. And they'll do it like with three or
Speaker 3: four guys all behind strutters and crawl, you know, crawling up.
Speaker 3: And they've had like this huge bunch of toms just
Speaker 3: come in and just it's like, you know, it looks
Speaker 3: like the Civil War or whatever, you know, and come
Speaker 3: in and just start thrashing them and everything, and then
Speaker 3: they jump out with shotguns and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: It sounds kind of crazy and it sounds kind of dangerous.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 1: I think that's why there. I think that's why states
Speaker 1: are clamping down on it. It's just the risk factor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we don't want people to do that, for sure.
Speaker 1: There's no way, like like I might, there's no way
Speaker 1: I'll let my kid crawl around with a turkey fan
Speaker 1: on his head, because then my wife be home at
Speaker 1: what like once she got to understand, you know, if
Speaker 1: he got whatever sprayed by a load of shotgun shells
Speaker 1: or load of pellets, and then was asking me about
Speaker 1: what happened, and I was like, oh, I told him
Speaker 1: to take a Turkey's fan and crawl around out in
Speaker 1: the fields just over his face. She's just gonna get mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, So.
Speaker 1: I don't do it.
Speaker 10: I've got a I've got a design idea for your
Speaker 10: turkey fan. Okay, I can't tell it. Okay, it's that
Speaker 10: good Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1: Uh, Clay, I want you and you and Phillips to
Speaker 1: do heat us up with a little turkey calling actions
Speaker 1: turkey calling, tell me what you're putting in your mouth?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: This so this is I just got these from Jason
Speaker 10: this morning. This is the what is this, Jason? That
Speaker 10: the tripping hen? Yep, they're usually a little better after
Speaker 10: you warm them up a little bit, warm them up
Speaker 10: like body temp. I mean, like for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, that's got a word for.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is.
Speaker 10: I can't hear myself.
Speaker 1: It's tough. Your headphones off.
Speaker 4: It's a good gobble.
Speaker 2: That's great, sounds good.
Speaker 1: Your gobbles a little too high pitch?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a real white call.
Speaker 12: Have you ever heard of hen try to gobble?
Speaker 1: You know? No, I know people talk about this, but no.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's extremely high pitched.
Speaker 1: Trying to gobbler. Is it just a hen vocalization?
Speaker 12: For sure. I've seen them actually like throw their head forward.
Speaker 3: And two years ago I had a Hen come in
Speaker 3: in full straut and I was filming by myself.
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. I haven't seen that happen too much.
Speaker 1: But it phelps youat this up?
Speaker 8: Well you what's your little bird app that you? You
Speaker 8: say this isn't a woodpecker? You're no, I'm I just
Speaker 8: want to remind you because you're gonna say that it's
Speaker 8: not a woodpecker, but I whatever this is I got
Speaker 8: Oh goodness.
Speaker 1: Are you really trying to do it? I feel like no,
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I was just bringing up that I called this woodpecker,
Speaker 8: but you reminded me last time that it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Okay, sound ideas on. You're not gonna trick it. Hold on,
Speaker 1: you don't think it's gonna pick up. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: trick it, really do you'll trick so do some hand calling. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it up. It says listening for birds. You'll
Speaker 1: trick it with a hen call. Because I can trick
Speaker 1: it with a hen call. You gotta get better than that.
Speaker 1: I think it's something with being in a room or something. Okay,
Speaker 1: phelps you hit it, you stop from it. You hit
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the new woodpecker. Call no, no, hit turkey.
Speaker 4: Call?
Speaker 1: Oh no, who just did something? He no, I just
Speaker 1: took a minute. I got wild turkey. I think it's slow.
Speaker 1: I think it's because I finally started calling I'm a
Speaker 1: little better than Clay. You call it, okay, hit it, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's banging it, Clay, that's a new call. Try something different.
Speaker 1: You're not getting it, Phelps, but didn't bring it then,
Speaker 1: so I think we got No, it's not that we
Speaker 1: just got a problem.
Speaker 2: What's the cut? I don't know. It's Jason the what
Speaker 2: the cut?
Speaker 8: I think he's got. We actually split a bat wing
Speaker 8: on that one, so it's a split down the middle.
Speaker 8: And this is a combo cut with we nicked the
Speaker 8: second layer a little bit on the open side.
Speaker 1: On this one.
Speaker 8: This is a really really light call, like all prof
Speaker 8: and then that one's a little bit yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: by light call so we can layer in. You know,
Speaker 8: most of your tricky calls, there are a lot of doubles,
Speaker 8: but I would say the majority of your tricky calls
Speaker 8: are going to be triple three pieces of latex. So
Speaker 8: like when this one be an ultra light the new
Speaker 8: Rain series, it's got prof you know, prophylactic, profilactic, and
Speaker 8: a very light piece of latex on top that's cut.
Speaker 8: So this call is going to call way lighter than
Speaker 8: like a call that Clay has, you know, like three five.
Speaker 8: You know, now you're stacking latex. It's almost twice as
Speaker 8: thick as this for every piece. So it's to try
Speaker 8: to you know, have a louder you can cut on
Speaker 8: that call up better located, a little bit louder where
Speaker 8: this is going to be more of your real intri kate,
Speaker 8: you know, low volume bubble clucks, yelps.
Speaker 1: But lighter is easier for beginners to learn. You don't
Speaker 1: have to learn how to force as much air.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know you can get into like different
Speaker 8: styles of tricky callers, you know, like the old school
Speaker 8: guys they call like a huff style where you're using
Speaker 8: like a lot of diaphragm, a lot of air. Where
Speaker 8: like these new calls, it's like just real light air.
Speaker 8: You're not having to just you know, get rid of
Speaker 8: so much so much air. O can't rip on that
Speaker 8: one a little bit. This No, no, not the woodpecker yet.
Speaker 8: I liked you did a woodpecker. The perf not real
Speaker 8: good this morning, Clay, you're digging around. I know what
Speaker 8: you got nowt Now he's got the casper, which will
Speaker 8: be like our ultra light.
Speaker 1: Like ghost cuts like.
Speaker 14: Kiki's Merlin's Merlin's perking right up on that one.
Speaker 1: So it likes a little higher pitch call. Well, like
Speaker 1: I said, it likes everything when you're outside.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember the.
Speaker 1: One time you were sitting on a tree and you
Speaker 1: had like forty two birds going no, like like, I
Speaker 1: think it's something weird happens when you're outside any like
Speaker 1: any kind of turkey column, it will usually like picker,
Speaker 1: start bringing it. Yeah, now let me see your let
Speaker 1: me see your woodpecker. So this is our new guy
Speaker 1: work with James Harrison again. But I want, I want
Speaker 1: Clay tell them our woodpecker problem, the woodpecker debate.
Speaker 10: Which one man about I rebuild woodpeckers.
Speaker 1: About my blue jay call and all that.
Speaker 10: Oh just like just just like shot shot gobbling calls shot.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what me and Clay's debate is about
Speaker 1: shot gobblin.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that a good shot gobble is something that
Speaker 1: gets shot gobbles. Yeah, Clay thinks a good shot gobble
Speaker 1: is something that sounds exactly like accurate, like a bird
Speaker 1: an owl. Right, I don't care if it sounds like
Speaker 1: I had, Like I like, hey, if you want shot gobbles.
Speaker 1: I've said, so you'd be you.
Speaker 10: Want if you want to about two different things.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm moderate. If we're talking about turkey hunt we're
Speaker 1: talking about turkey decoys, We're talking about turkey calls. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: we're talking about turkey hunting, right right, So set in
Speaker 1: the scene talking about turkey hunting. Okay, we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about turkey hunting. Yes, been talking about turkey hunting.
Speaker 1: Shot gobbles are elicited by in my view, shock op
Speaker 1: gobbles are best elicited by like sudden, very sharp, disruptive sounds.
Speaker 10: Correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, are you done?
Speaker 1: He is not that turkey is not sitting there thinking God,
Speaker 1: was that a real albel He's not, but he when
Speaker 1: he gobbled, he gobbles, he gobbles quicker and he can think.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with you. The difference between what you're
Speaker 10: doing and what I'm trying to do and what I
Speaker 10: appreciate and realism and all levels of woodsmanship is the
Speaker 10: difference between in casting and fly fishing. The difference because
Speaker 10: when I go into the woods, it's it's it's like
Speaker 10: it's like now, not necessarily me. I'm not the best
Speaker 10: out hooter nor the best turkey caller. But you go
Speaker 10: down with some of some of these guys from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas.
Speaker 10: These guys that man, they out hoot with their mouth.
Speaker 10: They sound like a turkey. I mean, you just fit
Speaker 10: into nature. So it is really a stylistic thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could go out and do a spin casting.
Speaker 1: Fly casting.
Speaker 10: I mean it's the same thing like.
Speaker 1: You think, you think a really good bad you think
Speaker 1: there's you think a really good bass fisherman style, a
Speaker 1: really good bass fisherman that can land that that can
Speaker 1: land three eight times.
Speaker 10: That was a great analogy. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: I mean it's like in the woods. I don't want
Speaker 10: people to know, Wow, Steven Ell just slammed his.
Speaker 1: Cardiff or has an air horn.
Speaker 10: Ye, you're like, you just want to sound like I
Speaker 10: was what I was resenting.
Speaker 1: And I resent this more than your take on owl
Speaker 1: hooting and all that. No, I appreciate it, good owl hoot.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't think it in terms of getting
Speaker 1: a gobble.
Speaker 10: I don't think it does.
Speaker 1: I take offense at your thing that you were going
Speaker 1: to go down some path that like that that somehow
Speaker 1: fly casting is somehow like more poetic or.
Speaker 10: When when I'm in the woods, I want to I
Speaker 10: want to be I don't want someone on the next ridge.
Speaker 1: To go that dude just out and you think spin
Speaker 1: fishing is louder.
Speaker 10: I thought this was going to be the best analogy
Speaker 10: ever done.
Speaker 1: Would both of you go just what.
Speaker 10: People say, like you're you're going to the river to fish.
Speaker 10: A spin caster is just trying to get the job done.
Speaker 10: A fly fisherman is trying to do as are bobbing
Speaker 10: their heads here. So I'm just saying, yeah, you can
Speaker 10: get a turkey to gobble all different ways. I agree
Speaker 10: with that, but there's some there's some art, there's some
Speaker 10: new craft inside of you know, your crow call, your
Speaker 10: alcohol play.
Speaker 1: It took my croll call and wrote this is a
Speaker 1: blue jay call on it?
Speaker 4: Oh disrespect?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, because it is. That's all Him'm trying
Speaker 1: to replicate it.
Speaker 10: See that would have helped me the first time I
Speaker 10: heard him blow it, if I would have known he
Speaker 10: was trying to do a blue jay.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: We had this conversation multiple times just at the show, like, well,
Speaker 8: what's the difference between the wood alt hooter and the
Speaker 8: pro I said, well, the wood owt hooter actually sounds better.
Speaker 8: It's cheaper, but for a hunting call, I want to
Speaker 8: be able to crank that thing up, not sound quite
Speaker 8: like an owl, but be able to reach the next
Speaker 8: ridge over and get that response and still kind of
Speaker 8: sound like, you know, the best alcohol we can build.
Speaker 8: And so there's there's a lot of that, like just
Speaker 8: being the best hunting call. But then like you know,
Speaker 8: we had that conversation with Dave, like not willing to
Speaker 8: cut any corners and just be the absolute best decoy
Speaker 8: where on calls, especially you know, shock gobble calls in particular,
Speaker 8: I'm willing to cut a few more corners where like,
Speaker 8: you know, the new triple locator, it's twice as loud
Speaker 8: as anything out there. Yeah, I could have made it
Speaker 8: maybe a touch more accurate, but it's just dialed in.
Speaker 8: It still sounds like the woodpecker. It still sounds like
Speaker 8: an owl scream, but I designed it for more volumes,
Speaker 8: so maybe we lost a little bit of that quality.
Speaker 2: So that's fly fishing. But it's like you're on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying.
Speaker 2: To cut it's still technically fly fishing.
Speaker 8: So you're you're gonna you're gonna blow on a pilliated call? Yeah,
Speaker 8: or what are our hunting piliated woodpecker?
Speaker 1: Call?
Speaker 8: Is very loud, you guys are Day's probably gonna really
Speaker 8: hate it.
Speaker 4: But uh but I don't know.
Speaker 8: We had this in Kansas last year and it did
Speaker 8: not pick up, and so I'm a little but there's
Speaker 8: a lot of weirdness about what picks up and don't
Speaker 8: pick up because what I found, like.
Speaker 1: Like outside inside is a big difference.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that sounds good though, man, pick up.
Speaker 8: My favorite thing to do is like come down out
Speaker 8: of my office. I think all the workers are just
Speaker 8: down there putting stuff together, and.
Speaker 4: Just hit them with a woodpecker call.
Speaker 1: Hit it again. That sounds good though, Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: And then this, uh James Harrison, the out hooter, you know,
Speaker 8: wins all the contests.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you know our olhooter.
Speaker 4: He just told me.
Speaker 8: Out of the twenty nine people calling it the Grand
Speaker 8: National Championship, twenty four of them, I think, O, what
Speaker 8: ol hooter? Out of twenty nine, that's seriously yeah, like
Speaker 8: legit phelps out hooter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then we got the al scream, which this is
Speaker 8: his thing. Twenty four out of twenty nine guys are
Speaker 8: using your ol hooter. According to James Harrison on the
Speaker 8: stage at the NWTF convention, do.
Speaker 1: You think it's fair that they could be using any
Speaker 1: kind of call at all for I mean for a competition.
Speaker 1: What do you mean fair?
Speaker 8: Fair as in like, uh, I would think if you
Speaker 8: were having an al hooting competition, you'd have to also
Speaker 8: have a no just raw voice.
Speaker 10: Well, that's a whole different competition, and they.
Speaker 15: They've them more towards the calls they have. Man, Hey,
Speaker 15: in Arkansas, Bentonville, Arkansas, March ninth, we're having a natural
Speaker 15: voice out hooting contest at the Black Burbonanza. We are
Speaker 15: making it into the world's premiere natural voice out hooting contest.
Speaker 1: So so you're so they divide out natural voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all we do. Okay, hit me, hit me with one.
Speaker 1: Clay Oh, I.
Speaker 10: Could never do him on call. I had a guy
Speaker 10: to show the other day come up to me and
Speaker 10: was like, hey, Clay, give me an alhot. It was terrible.
Speaker 10: I was embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I was like, get here home, everybody be quiet, give
Speaker 1: me another one.
Speaker 10: So I didn't pick up.
Speaker 1: No, it's not doing well. No, because I know you're
Speaker 1: I know yours pick up and what was killing Clay
Speaker 1: or what was killing Seth Morris is we are calling? Uh,
Speaker 1: we were calling owls.
Speaker 12: You were there.
Speaker 1: Seth was there and he could just get the owl
Speaker 1: to come in, get the owl to answer, but the
Speaker 1: app wouldn't pick it up, and he had to keep
Speaker 1: messing and messing and messing, and he had to change
Speaker 1: his call so the app would pick up, and it
Speaker 1: wound up being in the in the gurgle at the end. Oh,
Speaker 1: he had to manipulate his own girl. He had to
Speaker 1: like customize it to try to get picked off by
Speaker 1: the app. But outside yours picks off. But I don't know.
Speaker 11: Yeah, do that one again.
Speaker 1: I want to hear that again. That sounds good.
Speaker 4: Doctor Woodpecker, do the il scream.
Speaker 1: Let me hear the I want to hear the woodpecker. Get.
Speaker 1: I want to to pill.
Speaker 8: I'll scream. Will just be like a pitch break. You've
Speaker 8: all heard the owl scream like early in the morning.
Speaker 1: Now here's why I think before you do this, I
Speaker 1: think that like sure sounded like a bird.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Forgetting gob It's like it's
Speaker 1: like it's so all of a sudden, and it's so
Speaker 1: you can't ignore it, yep, because the thing is, how
Speaker 1: many times in most places, if you're sitting there waiting
Speaker 1: for you to light out, first thing you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: in a lot of airs, you're gonna hear a northern
Speaker 1: cardinal and he's gonna be the first thing in the morning.
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna hear crows, right, they're just gonna
Speaker 1: be like if you're paying attention, there's always a carverywhere
Speaker 1: going off, and I just think it loses its.
Speaker 8: Yeah, where that's where the woodpecker, Like you do the
Speaker 8: pretty and like when you're out hunting, you can literally
Speaker 8: hit the first one and be done and get the
Speaker 8: same response like he's already gobbling from that one.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: But back to Clay's point, I want to be somewhat
Speaker 8: accurate and like finish out sounded like a woodpecker, so
Speaker 8: you finish Hey, could.
Speaker 1: It not be?
Speaker 10: I think there's an argument to be made that realism
Speaker 10: might make a difference, because like, if you're hunting a
Speaker 10: super smart, wary bird that's had four years of hunting pressure,
Speaker 10: and you walk up there with an air horn and
Speaker 10: and he's heard he's not coming, the truck pull up
Speaker 10: and maybe he gobbles at it, but he's and I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't he doesn't have the brain power to think, oh,
Speaker 10: that's Steve Arnell over there, but he's just like maybe
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I do wonder about. Is I wonder
Speaker 1: about the difference because we're talking. That's two things. That's
Speaker 1: eliciting a gobble okay, And then there's is he gonna
Speaker 1: come over like does he just did he just add
Speaker 1: something to his knowledge base where it's like that wasn't
Speaker 1: the real I gobbled? But yeah, I used to get
Speaker 1: mega gobbles off of a rabbit distress call. I mean
Speaker 1: mega like way off gobbles. But then I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: he gobbled, But is he really gonna come mosying over
Speaker 1: here later? Like you know, look, habits die, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you do like a rabbit, I would just go right
Speaker 1: and you get gobbles. But is he is he then
Speaker 1: put in his head like that to me, is not
Speaker 1: an area I'm going to go to. I think over
Speaker 1: yonder where the rabbits die. Yet Yeah, that's no mount
Speaker 1: of hand calling, no mount of hand calling from that area.
Speaker 1: It's going to feel right to me because I just
Speaker 1: log that as like I gobble to it, but you're
Speaker 1: not could talk me to go in there?
Speaker 8: Yeah, the same reason like Eastern Washington, Kyle Howell's work
Speaker 8: great for locating, especially later in the day. But you're like,
Speaker 8: if you want to try to call that burden, like
Speaker 8: in my mind at least the picture in painting, like,
Speaker 8: why is this burd gonna come home all the time?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The only thing I would add is like I do
Speaker 3: agree that there's something to be said for a short
Speaker 3: call to get a shot gobble, because then you can
Speaker 3: hear them gobble, you know, which is like if you
Speaker 3: do a long drawn out call, it's like, hey, well,
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you guys don't have a problem I
Speaker 3: do with my hearing, like I gotta stop quickly. It's
Speaker 3: I can hear him. But also then you know where
Speaker 3: he's at, you could go, you could go to him.
Speaker 3: And then I also agree one hundred percent with what
Speaker 3: you're saying about how they kind of can't help themselves.
Speaker 3: Like if you watch you know, three Tom's gobble, and
Speaker 3: it appears that they're gobbling at exactly the same time,
Speaker 3: but if you watch carefully, it's always one of them gobbled. First,
Speaker 3: you know, there's two ors just a split second behind,
Speaker 3: and that is just sort of an involuntary response, and
Speaker 3: that can be the same thing I think with the
Speaker 3: shot gobble.
Speaker 1: Okay, hit the so oh I want to I want
Speaker 1: to add on that. The thing that causes tension between
Speaker 1: me and my turkey hunting friends is it they think
Speaker 1: that I start walking too quickly after making my shot
Speaker 1: gobble noise, Joannie gets irritated. I don't give it enough beats.
Speaker 8: But I'm like, he would have already gobbled. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 8: on team Renela on this one.
Speaker 1: Like shot you don't need to stay in there for
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 8: Even five ten seconds, Like that's too much. If he gobbles,
Speaker 8: it's on his own. I'll do it, I'll go I'll
Speaker 8: be like on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking on set, man, That's why I walked
Speaker 1: till twenty I'm like, dude, you might hear a gobble,
Speaker 1: but it's not never related.
Speaker 16: Dear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just regular listening. You're not listening.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 10: The best turkey hunters that I've ever hunted with do
Speaker 10: very little early morning shot goblin. I mean I think
Speaker 10: there's a there's more.
Speaker 1: Depends so much on the air area, man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, just just the patients that I see in
Speaker 10: some of these guys that I mean, they're not well
Speaker 10: known people, just like really good turkey hunters. Man, they
Speaker 10: let that turkey gobble on his own most of the time.
Speaker 10: And I mean they carry a shot gobble or can
Speaker 10: owl or crow with their mouth and and use that.
Speaker 10: But I would say the number one way to identify
Speaker 10: a beginner or novice turkey hunter is how much they're
Speaker 10: shot using shot gobble.
Speaker 1: It's too dependent. Sure, if you're in a high density
Speaker 1: area whatever. If you're like out in the never ending
Speaker 1: Ponderosa pine grassland stuff right and you and it's cute,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go miles between anything.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think we're talking about too.
Speaker 11: It's just kind of hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, you're like somewhere out in this ten
Speaker 1: square miles there might be a gobbler. And if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find a bird over the next two days, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to hunt very aggressively and try to get
Speaker 1: a because any mine is sitting here listening is like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to find a bird. Yeah. It's just different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: More of what I'm talking about is back East hunting.
Speaker 10: Hunting a bird that you maybe you know, the smaller ground,
Speaker 10: you might be spending your whole morning in a you know,
Speaker 10: a square mile or less or you know, maybe one
Speaker 10: hundred and sixty acres. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna
Speaker 10: play the patient game, all.
Speaker 8: Right, go on, So I'm gonna try the James Harrison
Speaker 8: is a pro with this thing, but we developed it
Speaker 8: as an oul screamer as well.
Speaker 1: Oh that gets them.
Speaker 8: I mean just once again, just big loud bursts. Like
Speaker 8: I said, I probably just did that call. No justice,
Speaker 8: that's his side. I was more I want a woodpecker call.
Speaker 1: But now that right there is for getting gobbles, just
Speaker 1: high pitched. What you do with them, what you call
Speaker 1: that the spincaster, no what like that gets a gobble.
Speaker 1: What you do with them afterward is up to you.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna get a gobbyl Yeah, And that's that's
Speaker 1: why I in this call. Like I said, we could
Speaker 1: have way more or maybe not on the ile screamers.
Speaker 1: I had been on the woodpecker.
Speaker 8: You know, I had more accurate sounds, but then we
Speaker 8: kept adding more volume, made it loud because like I say,
Speaker 8: I'm I'm a hunter at heart. I just want these
Speaker 8: things to answer, so I can start the game and
Speaker 8: then go from there. There's two contests. There's two tournaments.
Speaker 8: I'm trying to figure out how to conduct. I want
Speaker 8: to have a world I want to have a glassing invitational.
Speaker 10: I love that where you have set out, not set.
Speaker 1: Out, Okay, I want it to be real. So I
Speaker 1: want to have a glassing invitational where you go to
Speaker 1: a good area and there's judges and to score a point,
Speaker 1: you so to find an original find, you put a scope.
Speaker 1: You put a spotting scope on it, and the judge comes, looks,
Speaker 1: verifies to find and that's like one hundred points now
Speaker 1: one betted next to it or whatever those are fifties
Speaker 1: or twenty fives. Once you make a find, the judge
Speaker 1: sort of like declares that that find area closed or
Speaker 1: everyone's operating out of a little structure like a little.
Speaker 10: Beach tent, so they have the opportunity to find it.
Speaker 1: So you don't know, so all the competitors can't tell
Speaker 1: where someone's looking. So figure that out, and like you
Speaker 1: get a point, and you set up at daybreak and
Speaker 1: you have till eleven, and it's like the World Glassing Championship,
Speaker 1: like it I love it to be a great compound competition.
Speaker 1: The other exciting to watch. No, I would love it.
Speaker 1: I would love it.
Speaker 10: I could be like a golf commentator.
Speaker 1: I thought about it, hide little things out, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it should be like that, because stuff pops.
Speaker 10: If everybody was looking at the same landscape, it would
Speaker 10: be fair.
Speaker 1: No, but you want to be an area, and I
Speaker 1: know I know right where I would hold it. I
Speaker 1: know right the hill, I know the mount, the peak
Speaker 1: I would go to to conduct it.
Speaker 10: Dude, listen, I'll be one of the commentators. I will
Speaker 10: on the live stream and then we'll have have like
Speaker 10: roped off with people along the sides, like a golf tournament,
Speaker 10: and every time somebody does a find will and I'll
Speaker 10: be like, oh, that was a beautiful fine.
Speaker 1: By the other, my other tournament is the World Shot
Speaker 1: Gobbling Invitational. And I don't know how to conduct it.
Speaker 10: Hmmm. Yeah, you'd have like categories like just a listening
Speaker 10: freestyle unlimited freestyle. It's freestyle unlimited listening gobbles. I don't
Speaker 10: know how to make it equal though.
Speaker 2: Another nail bitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who can elicit the most? It have to
Speaker 1: be like days long to rule out to rule out
Speaker 1: incidentals or not not to rule incidentals, to rule out
Speaker 1: the freaks. It had to be ten days, you know,
Speaker 1: big commitment to be like, oh, he just got the
Speaker 1: good spot that morning. But over time you're gonna see
Speaker 1: you're Over time, you're gonna see a champion emerged, a trend,
Speaker 1: someone that just can listen gobbles, and it's probably going
Speaker 1: to be, unfortunately, a dude with an airhorn.
Speaker 10: It's going to put to rist all of our theories.
Speaker 10: If you can figure out how to give away a
Speaker 10: truck at both of those you, I am.
Speaker 1: Going to do the glassing the glassing invitational. I'm serious about.
Speaker 1: I think you could pull off a glassing invitational for sure. Oh, Dave,
Speaker 1: you know another thing I wanted to ask about. Just
Speaker 1: change the subject a little bit. You guys are you
Speaker 1: guys decoys are? Tell me about American made decoys.
Speaker 2: All our Treky decoys are made in America, always have been.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's difficult, and it's expensive, and.
Speaker 2: But the quality is really good. They're super durable.
Speaker 3: And we love our crew and they're good, they're good people,
Speaker 3: and that's just how we decided to do it.
Speaker 1: And and but you could, there would have been an
Speaker 1: easier way to do it. Like, it's not like out
Speaker 1: of necessity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean like we're I mean,
Speaker 3: we're I'm almost the only USA MA Turkey decoy.
Speaker 10: There might be a few Q the national anthem phill, but.
Speaker 1: Most decoys are pain are what overseas.
Speaker 3: They're blow molded, you know, polyathlene made in China, and
Speaker 3: you know there's nothing wrong with that. It makes the
Speaker 3: lightweight and and inexpensive and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But can you pull that mic a little bit closer?
Speaker 4: Dave?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Mike, microphone close. I'm sorry, You're good, Thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh Dave? How much you've been here? And have you
Speaker 1: been hearing most of everything today?
Speaker 3: Much better without the without the headphones? He that no, No,
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 13: A dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it is. We're able to make like
Speaker 3: a really really super durable decoy, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, we have one video of Brad shooting
Speaker 3: a decoy and it's on purpose, It wasn't an accident
Speaker 3: or anything. He's shut out of decoy with heavy shot
Speaker 3: from ten yards away and goes and picks up the
Speaker 3: decoy and you absolutely cannot find a mark on it
Speaker 3: anywhere and you pick it up. He picks it up
Speaker 3: and shakes it and it's just absolutely full of shot.
Speaker 3: But it's and I've shot several well, not several, I
Speaker 3: guess twice. I've shot through Tom's and had the arrow
Speaker 3: go into the decoy kind of you know the arrow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then pull the arrow, pull the arrow out, and
Speaker 3: and you can't really see where the arrow was.
Speaker 1: It's like that Arnold Schwarzenegger had to fight in uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that silver guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, terminator, Yeah, you heard him.
Speaker 1: It just goes back to normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not quite like that, but almost the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when you started out, you know, why does it
Speaker 1: wind up being overseason and why not? I mean people
Speaker 1: launch them overseas, like if you if you started when
Speaker 1: you start out, you're just making a few of them, right,
Speaker 1: So obviously when you were making a few of them yourself,
Speaker 1: you like you didn't even think about whether you'd make
Speaker 1: them overseas or make them in America because you're just
Speaker 1: making a handful. Yeah, and there's some point at which
Speaker 1: it would just you'd have to decide that it would
Speaker 1: now make sense to have a manufactured elsewhere or not. Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean so far, we haven't had any major, major
Speaker 3: plans to make any Turkey decoys overseas, but it might
Speaker 3: be something that we'd offer, like especially if we could.
Speaker 3: You know, we just want to offer as many different
Speaker 3: options as possible for people, so you know, you can
Speaker 3: make it lighter weight and less expensive. So and the
Speaker 3: thing is is, like like our half strut Jake, we
Speaker 3: had a guy that just loved that decoy and thought
Speaker 3: it was the greatest thing ever. And he kind of
Speaker 3: told us that he he made this offer to us
Speaker 3: where he would promote it and but he would need
Speaker 3: like this huge percentage of all the sales, and we
Speaker 3: kind of told him to take a hike. And next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, he took it straight to China and did
Speaker 3: a really really hard campaign, like got to the point
Speaker 3: where he had most people convinced that we uh copied him.
Speaker 2: It took us.
Speaker 3: Three years of literally like one by one content contacting
Speaker 3: people that were just you know, promoting his decoy like crazy,
Speaker 3: of telling him the truth and setting them straight, and
Speaker 3: took us three years to recover from from that. And
Speaker 3: they eventually he eventually went out of business and all
Speaker 3: that stuff because people are basically good and our customers
Speaker 3: are are unbelievably great to us and they stood by
Speaker 3: us and you know, learn the truth and everything like that.
Speaker 2: So we we deal with that.
Speaker 3: And there's we have other decoys where you know, these
Speaker 3: companies that we've known of for a long long time
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they have a Turkey decoy
Speaker 3: and it's just like, it looks so much like our decoy.
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous and that that happens and it's kind
Speaker 3: of flattering, but it's kind of annoying too and stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: But and those are.
Speaker 3: All made overseas, so that's a little bit difficult because
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden they're able to charge a
Speaker 3: lot less for it. And the thing is, it's like
Speaker 3: because we make decoys uh in America and have made
Speaker 3: goose decoys in America, so we have to we do
Speaker 3: have to charge a lot because the materials are very
Speaker 3: very expensive, like that material that's so durable is super
Speaker 3: super expensive, and so we do have to charge a
Speaker 3: lot unfortunately for our for our decoys. So then the
Speaker 3: competitors they've really benefited from that because now they they'll
Speaker 3: make it a Dey and China and they'll be like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, DSD is charging you know, you know, two
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for a Turkey decoy, so we could probably
Speaker 3: charge one eighty or something like it, whereas our costs
Speaker 3: are dramatically different.
Speaker 1: But you guys don't like, you don't package and tell,
Speaker 1: you don't like overtell that it's all designed and made
Speaker 1: in America. I mean, you're sure, says DSD decoy's USA,
Speaker 1: but I could be they're based in the USA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we probably should push that a little harder.
Speaker 1: Especially especially if people are trying to bone you over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean point taking, Yeah, we probably should.
Speaker 1: My idea for the tail fan was American flag.
Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, Paul with with with f HF you guys, uh,
Speaker 17: you guys got you guys fight it all the time
Speaker 17: on made in America.
Speaker 12: We do.
Speaker 6: And we're sort of in the same boat with Day
Speaker 6: where we started out. I started out making this in
Speaker 6: a spare bedroom, so certainly wasn't going to have anything
Speaker 6: made overseas. I was doing custom work and really kind
Speaker 6: of started in the tactical world where that was much
Speaker 6: more of a thing like hunting versus tactical. The customers
Speaker 6: typically want to see a US made product, I think
Speaker 6: in the tactical space. In the tactical space for.
Speaker 1: Sure, because you're dealing with people who are like, like
Speaker 1: by definition like patriot, patriotic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, patriots and preppers and just tactical guys former military,
Speaker 6: current military that kind of stuff, law enforcement, and then
Speaker 6: moving into the hunting market. I think it's come to
Speaker 6: a point now where there is a significant amount of
Speaker 6: the customers that do want to see a US made product,
Speaker 6: But there's also a lot and we deal with it
Speaker 6: all the time where people are like, well, I can
Speaker 6: buy buy it for twenty dollars on Amazon, you know,
Speaker 6: something that's close or a direct copy like Dave talks about,
Speaker 6: And you know, it just depends on the customer really
Speaker 6: and what they put as important to them.
Speaker 1: But the part I don't get about it is when
Speaker 1: you talk about the cost thing, how you're talking about
Speaker 1: shipping it halfway around the world, Like, how does that
Speaker 1: you'd think that if you took a person from outer space,
Speaker 1: like you take a guy comes from Mars and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you question, what do you think
Speaker 1: costs more me to sell a thing here in Montana? Okay,
Speaker 1: it was made in America, Or would it cost more
Speaker 1: if I had it made on another continent halfway around
Speaker 1: the world and then scent it over here. That person
Speaker 1: would say, oh, it'd be a lot cheaper to make
Speaker 1: it here. Why would you mail it all the way
Speaker 1: across the world.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that it probably used to be. The
Speaker 6: biggest thing is the labor costs overseas. You can just
Speaker 6: you know, people, I don't know what they're our wages
Speaker 6: in China or Bangladesh, but it's certainly not as much.
Speaker 1: As a dollar or two.
Speaker 6: The people that are making stuff here in the US,
Speaker 6: and all of our stuff is made here, and so
Speaker 6: you know, the factories we use are paying their people
Speaker 6: well and treating their people well, and they have you know,
Speaker 6: their middle class jobs, and many of those have disappeared
Speaker 6: over the years.
Speaker 4: Where you know, it used to be.
Speaker 6: The textile market, you know, mills, sewing, everything was done here.
Speaker 6: And this was brought in, you know, as far back
Speaker 6: as right after the Revolutionary War for reasons for like
Speaker 6: national security and just independence to have all of that
Speaker 6: stuff done here locally, just like weapons manufacturing, All of
Speaker 6: that stuff was brought here. But you know, starting in
Speaker 6: the eighties, I just disappeared out of the country. So
Speaker 6: it's really hard to find factories in the US that
Speaker 6: can do a good job of it at scale, at
Speaker 6: the scale we need especially. I mean many of these places,
Speaker 6: you know, they will take in order, but they want
Speaker 6: you order half a million of something in order to
Speaker 6: make it worth their time, whereas you know, we're just
Speaker 6: not at that scale, and the costs are significantly higher,
Speaker 6: and it just makes it very hard, you know, both
Speaker 6: the materials as well as that the labor to actually
Speaker 6: put something together. You know, we do our best, again
Speaker 6: sort of coming from that tactical world in the even
Speaker 6: the Bay Amendment compliance stuff, which is a defense requirement
Speaker 6: for buying military gear, you know, made in the US,
Speaker 6: many of the materials have to be made here, and
Speaker 6: so we do our best to source those materials here.
Speaker 6: Being that they're sourced here, they don't have to go
Speaker 6: overseas to be put in place. But we do struggle
Speaker 6: sometimes define the best materials in the US, because I
Speaker 6: don't know whether we.
Speaker 1: Say the best materials in the US, you mean the
Speaker 1: best materials produced in.
Speaker 6: The US, correct, And there are some things that just
Speaker 6: aren't made here anymore. Certain things, or if they are
Speaker 6: made here, they may not be as good because that
Speaker 6: technology has been exported over the last thirty years and
Speaker 6: there just isn't a way to get it made here.
Speaker 6: A stupid example is our zipper poles. Like I almost
Speaker 6: bought a machine to make our little molded zipper poles
Speaker 6: on a cord, because there's maybe one of your listeners knows,
Speaker 6: but I cannot find a place anywhere in the US
Speaker 6: to have those made. The only closest thing I found
Speaker 6: was a machine that I would have had to order
Speaker 6: from China and get here to make those one at
Speaker 6: a time. And they just mold a zipper pool.
Speaker 1: What party talking about just.
Speaker 4: The poles on.
Speaker 6: I mean that's why I use bump the cord and
Speaker 6: the knotted cord on all the zippers because I mean
Speaker 6: on our little pouches, we do a little plastic zipper pool.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you mean there's no one in America making
Speaker 8: that or that you.
Speaker 4: Found, not that I've found.
Speaker 6: I mean you can find a piece of cord with
Speaker 6: some shrink tube on it, but you know, like a
Speaker 6: molded nice you know, something you can put a logo
Speaker 6: in and you know, make it look nice. There just isn't.
Speaker 6: That's just one example. But there are fabrics that we use,
Speaker 6: and we use a few of them that are made overseas,
Speaker 6: but many of those are done that way because, you know,
Speaker 6: to be honest, many of the best, like bag manufacturers,
Speaker 6: are in Vietnam because that's where all the technology is,
Speaker 6: it's where all the talent is over there. It is
Speaker 6: a considered a good job. It's a professional job to
Speaker 6: have that job, and these people work in the industry
Speaker 6: for a long time and get good at it. In
Speaker 6: the US, it's very hard to find the labor to
Speaker 6: do that, and so, you know, to be honest, you know,
Speaker 6: many of the factories end up hiring folks who have
Speaker 6: immigrated to this country or brought that expertise with them, yeah,
Speaker 6: or you know, have had family members that work, you know,
Speaker 6: have worked in that industry for years and kind of
Speaker 6: come up with it.
Speaker 4: But those are fewer and fewer and fewer, it seems like.
Speaker 6: So it's just a it's a weird self perpetuating problem
Speaker 6: trying to find find both the materials as well as
Speaker 6: the labor and the talent to get that done in
Speaker 6: the States. And it's expensive.
Speaker 1: So if if everything, if everything of f HF gear
Speaker 1: is made in the USA. Does that Does that mean
Speaker 1: that you can't buy but you can still buy a
Speaker 1: material made somewhere else or is that not true? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean technically.
Speaker 6: For us to say made in the USA, you know,
Speaker 6: virtually all of it has to be here, and we
Speaker 6: do our best to source everything locally, you know, domestically,
Speaker 6: like I said, like zipper poles.
Speaker 4: You know, there's.
Speaker 6: Please reach out if you know somebody who will make those,
Speaker 6: but you know, for the most part we do our best.
Speaker 6: And then you know, there's the difference would be like
Speaker 6: assembled in the say, where you might have you know,
Speaker 6: components like say the shoulder harness and the pouch made
Speaker 6: in two different countries and brought here and put together,
Speaker 6: and that would be assembled in the US. Or if
Speaker 6: you bought everything, all of your materials from overseas sources
Speaker 6: and brought those here and sewed them together, that might
Speaker 6: be assembled in the US. The other option would be
Speaker 6: in it. We've struggled even with production companies. We had
Speaker 6: one for a while that went out of business. Thankfully,
Speaker 6: unbeknownst to us, they were sending stuff to Mexico.
Speaker 1: We were on the slide.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were making and paying for them to make
Speaker 6: it in the US. And this was one product years
Speaker 6: and years ago when I was still in my basement,
Speaker 6: but they were the last one that came out of
Speaker 6: the box. I found a little tag on it that
Speaker 6: I think they used to get through customs that said
Speaker 6: made in Mexico. And I'm like really, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: you dirty rats, because they gave me a price for
Speaker 6: USA made or NAFTA compliant or you know, Asia pricing,
Speaker 6: and I paid for the US made stuff. And they
Speaker 6: figured out this little guy in his basement can probably
Speaker 6: wouldn't know the difference, and he'll pay us a little
Speaker 6: more if we get it made somewhere.
Speaker 1: And they went out of business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they went out of business.
Speaker 1: If when you look at the at that the doppel
Speaker 1: bag you're working on, it has the I know, you
Speaker 1: mess around with a bunch of different fabrics, yep. And
Speaker 1: and uh, you'd give me bags and I'd bring them
Speaker 1: back to you after you're broken. Well, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, the bag baggage handler or brade and whatever
Speaker 1: this stuff happens to him mostly that yep. I mean,
Speaker 1: anything you ever gave me would wound up being that
Speaker 1: the guy, it looks.
Speaker 8: Like it got stuck stuck in the conveyor We got
Speaker 8: jammed in the conveyor belt.
Speaker 1: And then you uh settled on that sale cloth. Where's
Speaker 1: that made?
Speaker 6: That is made overseas. That specific fabric is made overseas.
Speaker 6: Part of the reason I chose that is because of
Speaker 6: the color availability. Availability of the fabric again becomes a challenge.
Speaker 6: And that bag is actually a mix of US fabrics
Speaker 6: and the sailcloth, but it's one hundred percent recycled, and
Speaker 6: it's done in a facility over there that I mean,
Speaker 6: as you guys probably where almost all recycling is done overseas.
Speaker 6: Half the stuff you throw in your recycle bin either
Speaker 6: ends up with the landfill or on a boat to
Speaker 6: go get recycled.
Speaker 1: O kinceled. Like the recycling chain is like an overseas chain.
Speaker 4: That's a whole other. Yeah, get down the YouTube and
Speaker 4: go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But where it's actually happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, most of it is done overseas.
Speaker 6: And so this specific factory is recycling, and this this fabric,
Speaker 6: it's a polyester you know, using recycled bottles and whatnot,
Speaker 6: is one hundred percent recycled. The film is recycled as
Speaker 6: well as the adhesive is a non solvent based adhesive
Speaker 6: that actually works better with UV resistance and it's actually
Speaker 6: more waterproof. So in this case, I think for this application,
Speaker 6: it was just a better fabric to use. But yeah,
Speaker 6: that one ends up being overseas, although the base of
Speaker 6: it is a US base.
Speaker 1: Bottles it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how do you buy the stuff? It's like like
Speaker 6: rolls of it is, so we do. We have a
Speaker 6: little different procedure than most whereas I do all the
Speaker 6: design and development stuff here in house in Bozeman, so
Speaker 6: I'm able to kind of reach out to these manufacturers
Speaker 6: and get small parts and pieces. When I first started,
Speaker 6: I mean I was buying stuff on eBay and just
Speaker 6: random stuff who knows where it was coming from.
Speaker 1: Trying to buy materials.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because most of these big companies, especially in the US,
Speaker 6: they have such high minimums that it kind of prevents
Speaker 6: the the little guy from ordering. You know, I even
Speaker 6: here in Bozeman, I wouldn't want to order, you know,
Speaker 6: roll and rolls of fabric. You know, I need five
Speaker 6: to ten yards of it and it'll last me a
Speaker 6: few months to just build some samples to get to
Speaker 6: you know, you and I and Jason to test out
Speaker 6: and see if it's going to work. But then once
Speaker 6: we kind of settle on that material from these producers,
Speaker 6: then we send it to our production facility who takes
Speaker 6: the specs that we give them and uh, you know
Speaker 6: people that we can our sources are spelled out to
Speaker 6: them and then they do the bulk ordering and.
Speaker 1: Put everything and the solers. What are the main states
Speaker 1: or stuff gets sold that's made in America.
Speaker 6: I'd say the biggest location is southern California. We don't
Speaker 6: use anybody there anymore, we have, but you know, right
Speaker 6: around LA, the San Diego area seems super busy. All
Speaker 6: along the eastern seaboard there probably South Carolina, you know,
Speaker 6: up in New England. And then we have facilities as
Speaker 6: well that we use, like in Minnesota as well as
Speaker 6: uh Indiana kind of that Midwest state. But really I
Speaker 6: mean that you see it like locally and Bozeman, it's
Speaker 6: very hard to find people to work those jobs, be
Speaker 6: able to pay them a wage that allows them to
Speaker 6: stay here. You know, even Mystery ranch is here, SIMS
Speaker 6: is here.
Speaker 4: You know, they they've started to move a lot of
Speaker 4: that bulk production outside the area.
Speaker 6: And I don't know about SIMS specifically, but you know
Speaker 6: mystery ranch is bulk production is all over the country,
Speaker 6: or you know, they're certainly their military line is all
Speaker 6: US made, but their hunting line is made in Vietnam,
Speaker 6: which as I said, as I said before, the they
Speaker 6: have probably the most talented best as an aggregate sewers
Speaker 6: in the world. And it's just because that equipment and
Speaker 6: talent pool is there, and so I think it can
Speaker 6: start coming back to the US. But you know, it
Speaker 6: has to be done by companies like US using those facilities,
Speaker 6: because if we you know, there aren't companies like US
Speaker 6: using the facilities in the US, they're eventually gonna go
Speaker 6: out a business and go overseas as well.
Speaker 1: If you had to put a just like a fine
Speaker 1: point on it, or I guess it's more like a
Speaker 1: rough point on it. Making it in America, it's like
Speaker 1: sewing goods, like making making a backpack, binal harness whatever
Speaker 1: in America makes it cost what percent higher?
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer because I've never actually quoted
Speaker 4: anything in the US, or I'm sorry, in China, or.
Speaker 1: You never out of curiosity just asked them.
Speaker 6: I haven't, but I get emails constantly from companies over
Speaker 6: there that will send me pictures of my harness as
Speaker 6: well as editor harnesses that say, hey, we make these,
Speaker 6: we could make yours for you and it will be
Speaker 6: you know, pennies on the dollar. And if you look
Speaker 6: at Amazon, I mean you can see, you know, search
Speaker 6: biny harnesses on Amazon and you'll come up with many
Speaker 6: that look very similar. Once you get them in your hand,
Speaker 6: you'll realize there's a quality difference. But there's copies of
Speaker 6: all the major brands. For you know, our harness is
Speaker 6: one of the most expensive harnesses on the market, and
Speaker 6: I think it's because it's the best and it takes
Speaker 6: a long time to make. You know, ours retails at
Speaker 6: one eighty five and you can find a pouch that
Speaker 6: you can wear on your chest for you know, eighteen
Speaker 6: dollars that's made overseas. And you know, even some of
Speaker 6: the retailers, even some of the big optics companies, you know,
Speaker 6: provide a free harness with their with their optics that
Speaker 6: you know they're they're getting the job done.
Speaker 4: You can hold it, it'll hold it on your store
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 10: It's a difference between spin fishing.
Speaker 13: And it is.
Speaker 1: You guys make like pelves game calls you had, you
Speaker 1: traditionally started out like just founder base. You started off
Speaker 1: by hat you just like buy necessity made him here. Yep, yeap,
Speaker 1: it made him. And then I mean we went through
Speaker 1: that evolution. We are.
Speaker 8: We are sourced both domestically and overseas, and we've tried
Speaker 8: to move as much back you know, like the Easy Sucker.
Speaker 8: We moved back into the States, and we're leveraging like
Speaker 8: a very big partner.
Speaker 4: We've given a lot of work.
Speaker 8: But USA Manufacturing, Like as much as I would love
Speaker 8: to move everything here there, to be honest, they're a
Speaker 8: bigger pain in the ass to work with, just like
Speaker 8: Paul alluded to, they don't you know, I feel like
Speaker 8: we're crushing it in the game call world, right, but
Speaker 8: ten thousand piece order of this plastic part, they don't
Speaker 8: want anything to do with that.
Speaker 1: They want you to order one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand.
Speaker 8: We just don't have that buying capacity or the need
Speaker 8: for it, and so you just kind of get thrown
Speaker 8: through the ring or your prices come back high. And
Speaker 8: then I'm left with like a business decision, like do
Speaker 8: you want to sell a woodpicker call for seventy and
Speaker 8: ninety nine or do you want to sell it for
Speaker 8: thirty two ninety nine where it should be, you know,
Speaker 8: And so a lot of times we do our best.
Speaker 8: Like our new unleashed V two tube, as far as
Speaker 8: I know, it's maybe one of the only blow molded
Speaker 8: like tubes inside the USA, but due to the Federal
Speaker 8: Trade Commission rules, because I put a k neoprene sleeve
Speaker 8: on it that comes from overseas and it's it's an
Speaker 8: essential part in the definition of it, all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: It can't be you know, made and ada, you know.
Speaker 8: So you got to like balance all these like FTC
Speaker 8: rules and like make sure you're following the rules, you know.
Speaker 8: But we try, we we we make an honest approach.
Speaker 8: I do get a quote on everything we build USA
Speaker 8: and you know, offshore, and there are times where we
Speaker 8: just have to pick and choose.
Speaker 4: And like I said, I'm.
Speaker 1: Proud and I try to keep everything here.
Speaker 8: But there's just business decisions where unless you're willing to
Speaker 8: try and sell something for ten times all of your competition,
Speaker 8: you're just going to be stuck going that way. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but you know, all of our Turkey calls. All of
Speaker 8: our wood tricky calls made in the USA, with the
Speaker 8: majority of our woods USA source. You know, I don't
Speaker 8: want to be, you know, accused of cutting down the
Speaker 8: South American rainforw it, you know, so we try to
Speaker 8: tack and back Jason not on necessarily, He's talked about
Speaker 8: a lot of the woods.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it's a nice wood, but man, it's yeah.
Speaker 8: You don't want you don't want that, you know, So
Speaker 8: we avoid that. We try to bill as much as
Speaker 8: we can. You know, we started that acrylic deer call line.
Speaker 8: You know, we source a lot of made in the USA,
Speaker 8: a crilic. We do source some acrylic from off shore,
Speaker 8: but it's just it's depending on colors and time. So
Speaker 8: we're we're doing the best we can and making an honest,
Speaker 8: uh truly honest approach at keeping everything we can have
Speaker 8: made here and when dollars and cents, I'm willing to
Speaker 8: spend a little bit more for USA made because, as
Speaker 8: you mentioned, the logistics of putting on a boat, timelines,
Speaker 8: you know, language barriers, stuff that I sometimes struggle with.
Speaker 8: I'm willing to pay you know, up to two hundred
Speaker 8: three hundred percent more if I can justify it for parts,
Speaker 8: but it's not always the option. But yeah, we we
Speaker 8: fight it on every single new project where we're going
Speaker 8: and then pricing.
Speaker 6: It's a good point in that, like having it made
Speaker 6: here allows smaller companies like us to be a little
Speaker 6: more nimble and be able to move and pivot things.
Speaker 6: You know, like for instance, if had we put that
Speaker 6: big bag that got cut on the conveyor belt into
Speaker 6: production and realized too late that you know, maybe we shouldn't,
Speaker 6: you know, make ten thousand of those. They aren't sitting
Speaker 6: on a boat on the way over here. You know,
Speaker 6: we can quickly switch material and have that one on one,
Speaker 6: I have the cell phone number of the guy who's
Speaker 6: going to make that happen, and just get it done
Speaker 6: the same day versus you know, kind of this skype
Speaker 6: call to somebody who there's a language barrier with YEP.
Speaker 3: That's helped us a lot too, to just be nimble
Speaker 3: and quick and be able to come up with a
Speaker 3: product quickly. Yeah, because we're molding, you know, we're molding ourselves,
Speaker 3: you know, sculpting at molding it and casting the parts
Speaker 3: and painting and working out the paint. So some we
Speaker 3: can come up with a new decoy pretty quickly, as
Speaker 3: you know, the market changes, the populations change, or you know,
Speaker 3: hundreds inches change, and that's kind of nice to be
Speaker 3: able to do that well.
Speaker 12: And and also we're making small daily batches of decoys,
Speaker 12: whereas you know, if you're importing, you know you're buying
Speaker 12: container loads, and so you could get an order of
Speaker 12: five thousand decoys only to find out that, you know,
Speaker 12: there's there's some huge quality issue there, and now you
Speaker 12: have a whole container load of decoys, you know. Whereas
Speaker 12: for us, we stay small, and I mean we literally
Speaker 12: can walk out into the shop and take a good
Speaker 12: look over our product every day, and and we're we're
Speaker 12: really tight on on quality control that way.
Speaker 1: So I could call you guys and say I want
Speaker 1: you to go out and find me the nicest one
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I thought he was going to say he
Speaker 10: could walk out in the shop and yell at somebody
Speaker 10: this juggie.
Speaker 1: We could do that, and that that Doffel bag though,
Speaker 1: what do you call the Doffel bag or pit Duffel?
Speaker 4: Just because it opens up into a big can you
Speaker 4: can you peel by you?
Speaker 1: Not yet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the nicest Dolf bag. I think we're made
Speaker 1: by man.
Speaker 4: Well, it's relatively simple, but it great.
Speaker 1: But it seems like it's gonna float away as far
Speaker 1: as light.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that's the other benefit of that fabric
Speaker 6: because it's ultra light, and the film and the coating
Speaker 6: on that allows it to just, yeah, be ultra durable.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm not gonna color a waterproof bag,
Speaker 6: but you know, very water resistant and h and tough
Speaker 6: like that material itself is, you know, just reinforced. And yeah,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be I think it'll be a good bag.
Speaker 1: But you gotta make what you're gonna make a bunch
Speaker 1: of sizes, three sizes.
Speaker 4: Maybe still gotta argue with the.
Speaker 6: Internal uh corporate about how many about how many sizes
Speaker 6: as we can make.
Speaker 1: Give me the arguments. What are the arguments?
Speaker 4: Well, give me the pro and con Well, I don't
Speaker 4: know that there are.
Speaker 6: I don't have any cons. I want to make a
Speaker 6: larger one. That's uh, you know, it end up being
Speaker 6: the one you have is like a sixty liter defel.
Speaker 6: I want to do a thirty of sixty and a
Speaker 6: ninety leader does Yeah, and uh, I think that'll be
Speaker 6: perfect We've already made the ninety. We've tested it. Uh,
Speaker 6: I made one, but we've traded around the shop and
Speaker 6: used it for flights here and the air and send
Speaker 6: me over a thirty man. Yeah, I need to make
Speaker 6: I've yet to make one of those, but we're actually
Speaker 6: having all three of them priced currently at production to
Speaker 6: make sure that we.
Speaker 4: Are able to do that quickly.
Speaker 1: Can I give you hot tip?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, If you do three, I'd call it the one ten,
Speaker 1: two twenty and three thirty. Hey, you go conno beears
Speaker 1: because that's the three conn be sizes. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: there's all their goofy stuff. There's like one eighties and
Speaker 1: sixties that's going to sixties. There's one sixties, two eighties,
Speaker 1: but no one pays attention the one ten, the two,
Speaker 1: twenty to three thirty.
Speaker 4: Then I'll confuse everybody.
Speaker 1: What are the numbers mean? Like, it's long story. There's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. That's nothing to.
Speaker 12: Do with you.
Speaker 10: That's always good.
Speaker 12: That is a long story.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I ask do they have like backpack straps on them?
Speaker 4: They do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: The backpack straps are the handles and you can kind
Speaker 6: of figure basically decide where you want those, but yeah,
Speaker 6: they're they're comfortable backpack. Like the giant one I made.
Speaker 6: I've used in airports as well, and if you got
Speaker 6: to walk real far. I mean that one was one
Speaker 6: hundred and forty leaders or something that was a huge
Speaker 6: but which is why I got caught on the conveyor
Speaker 6: belts everywhere. But and it wasn't as comfortable as this one.
Speaker 6: This one actually feels like it's wearable. Yeah, it's certainly wearable,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 8: So the one I have is sixty, yes, thirty sixty
Speaker 8: ninety dude, Yeah, thirty.
Speaker 4: Won't confuse anybody.
Speaker 1: So what's up apex belts? With Turkey season coming up?
Speaker 4: So that is uh, it's funny.
Speaker 6: We just got done with the show and had to
Speaker 6: kind of explain to people that the U the foundations
Speaker 6: we came out with, the belt, the hydration pack both
Speaker 6: are multiple use items. Just happens with the and I
Speaker 6: say multiple use, How do I best explain that there?
Speaker 6: I use it as a range belt, a hiking belt,
Speaker 6: hunting belt, edition whatever, fishing. I scouted all summer in.
Speaker 7: It, all season, all pursuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was using mine for buck ratlin yep.
Speaker 6: But being that we're launching that here in the spring,
Speaker 6: figured we would include some accessories or launch some accessories
Speaker 6: about the same time. So we have the box call
Speaker 6: pouch coming out with it. It's a The belt itself
Speaker 6: is a three piece belt, so it's really expandable, kind
Speaker 6: of designed to be a one size fits most belt.
Speaker 6: Got kind of an internal frame sheet molly attachment. Those
Speaker 6: who are familiar with the battle belt will.
Speaker 4: Kind of be familiar with the idea of a padded
Speaker 4: imagine like the belt of a big frame.
Speaker 1: Pack without a backpack. Let's go a way of putting it.
Speaker 6: Has suspenders available, has a folding seat that kind of
Speaker 6: tucks up out of the.
Speaker 1: Way and yeah, is that out now or not out
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we I think.
Speaker 6: Sweet launched that and you don't even notice you're wearing
Speaker 6: that a super you know, minimal. We've seen interest from
Speaker 6: that from predator hunters, Turkey hunters as.
Speaker 1: Well as well. My old turkey vest had a seat
Speaker 1: and I like a seat, but all day walk around
Speaker 1: that seat bang in the back your knees drives you insane, man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's you know what we kind of heard
Speaker 6: from customers is like one they're usually a pain to
Speaker 6: stow if you're going to stow them up behind it.
Speaker 6: And if you don't stow it, the yeah, they hitch
Speaker 6: you in the calves the entire rest of the day.
Speaker 6: So this one tucks away easily using magnets. You can
Speaker 6: hook it to a backpack even we did a video
Speaker 6: recently on social just hooked it to my trouser belt
Speaker 6: and to my bino harness and don't have any belt
Speaker 6: worked out well, so you can kind of customize and
Speaker 6: tailor that whole system to fit your style.
Speaker 4: In the pot call pouch, we did the pot call pouch.
Speaker 6: We call it echelon right and left just because they're
Speaker 6: kind of a triangle shape with the point facing forward.
Speaker 4: You would that's how you figure out right and left.
Speaker 12: Ye.
Speaker 1: And if you're inclined to leave all your shit out
Speaker 1: in the woods, this is a good little thing to
Speaker 1: have with you. Yeah, easy to it encourages not leaving
Speaker 1: all your junk in the woods, easy to put stuff in,
Speaker 1: easy to get in and out of quickly because you
Speaker 1: can actually operate out of it. It's a pot call holder,
Speaker 1: but it opens out yep, So when you're sitting there,
Speaker 1: it's actually just as good to have it there. This
Speaker 1: is lay it in the leaves next to you, which
Speaker 1: is what I used to I just kind of hide
Speaker 1: my stuff in the leaves and then later i'd go
Speaker 1: back and try to find where.
Speaker 4: I put it. I need to put some more lanyard
Speaker 4: loops on that thing. But yeah, it's uh just the
Speaker 4: way it sits open.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can kind of just like our chest ri
Speaker 6: you can just open open it and work out of
Speaker 6: it and put everything.
Speaker 4: Back where it goes.
Speaker 6: It's got the spots for you your putt and peg
Speaker 6: as well as scratch pads all that stuff.
Speaker 4: We found out.
Speaker 6: Its shows that actually uh conceals a handgun in there
Speaker 6: pretty well as well. We had numerous people ask and
Speaker 6: actually like to wear mine. It's all where the the
Speaker 6: right or I'm sorry, the left one. So the triangle
Speaker 6: faces forward on your left. I wear that on my
Speaker 6: right side for cross draw. Well it creates, uh, it
Speaker 6: creates like a wing of sorts where when you sling
Speaker 6: your shotgun, it sits right behind there and creates at
Speaker 6: the weapons catch.
Speaker 1: So it's good.
Speaker 4: It actually works out really well in that respect. But
Speaker 4: I think that covers that.
Speaker 1: So how about the is the is the the morale bag?
Speaker 4: It is available now. Yeah, and it's just the same
Speaker 4: way by those people are stupid.
Speaker 1: If they don't, people I think need to be educated
Speaker 1: to what they are.
Speaker 4: They're all over in the tactical world.
Speaker 6: You know, guys use them for mag dump pouches, you know,
Speaker 6: putting down empty mags or whatever we've found we've been
Speaker 6: using them for, like rifle hunting. If you need to
Speaker 6: stow your gloves quick instead of putting them inside your
Speaker 6: coat or draw opping them as you're moving, you just
Speaker 6: stuff them in that bag. It's just a you know,
Speaker 6: it gets the size of like a chew can rolled up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a big ass bag that hangs from
Speaker 1: your belt, but it rolls up like a chew can.
Speaker 8: Well you don't you know, you wouldn't know it was there. No,
Speaker 8: And the way it's undo it and it opens up
Speaker 8: and you can you can put like eight meals or
Speaker 8: the morals in there.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: And it's got a mesh bottom on it, so you know,
Speaker 6: if you are putting stuff that's dirty or wet, you know,
Speaker 6: it still drips out the bottom. It doesn't collect, and
Speaker 6: then it's removable so you can it's mollied onto your belt.
Speaker 6: The attachment system we use, and it just you can
Speaker 6: unhook it and empty it, do whatever you need to.
Speaker 7: It's a drop bag too, so it's out of your way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's sits underneath the way it is attached,
Speaker 6: sits underneath your existing pouches, so it doesn't take up
Speaker 6: extra room on your belt. And so if you don't
Speaker 6: need it, you really don't even notice it's there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So all the everything people need to hunt turkeys is
Speaker 1: available on there, it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And again that's you know, because of the timing of
Speaker 6: launching all this stuff, we focused on turkeys to start with,
Speaker 6: but you know, the plan would be to have a
Speaker 6: whole lot of different stuff coming out that will attach
Speaker 6: and any of our old existing pouch is still attached
Speaker 6: to it now, like you said, I use it fishing
Speaker 6: at the range, you know, all over the place.
Speaker 10: But the Scott's shoulder straps too, it does.
Speaker 6: It has kind of the same geometry as the first
Speaker 6: light elastic suspenders. Or you could attach it to the
Speaker 6: hydration pack and use your hydration pack as your shoulder yoke.
Speaker 1: But so, but you can buy it all you can
Speaker 1: buy right now. Right It's like they came, did they
Speaker 1: sell out, came out not for sale.
Speaker 6: We did a soft launch in December December, and then
Speaker 6: we did limited colors then and they did sell out.
Speaker 6: Some of those sold out right away, and then we
Speaker 6: relaunched them here just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Ago with all the colors, so you can get it
Speaker 8: right now, just get it. Yeah, absolutely, And what else
Speaker 8: is coming up next?
Speaker 7: Pit Duffle in June. We've got.
Speaker 6: A hip quiver YEP, kind of an interesting hip quiver
Speaker 6: that I think is different than any of them I've
Speaker 6: ever seen on the market. Ambidextrous kind of use and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot of companies out there doing them,
Speaker 6: but none's ever been done like this.
Speaker 4: So that'll be the summer launches. You probably know more
Speaker 4: than me.
Speaker 16: Yeah, we have a bit of a quiet year after
Speaker 16: Apex Belt System, just given the nature of last year
Speaker 16: we had I don't even know how many new products
Speaker 16: with the fob. So we'll have one more launch this
Speaker 16: year and then we're kind of grinding on twenty twenty
Speaker 16: five stuff.
Speaker 1: So and how are you coming on our on our
Speaker 1: secret uh our work entitled Rio Loco. Yeah, I was there,
Speaker 1: remember when they're named that thing? Well he needs. He
Speaker 1: needs to do a bunch of research on this. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have the only one in existence right now. Oh
Speaker 1: and also felts, what's up with the moose call?
Speaker 12: We got it.
Speaker 1: You and you and Clay asked a lot, but we
Speaker 1: have to make a little divergence.
Speaker 8: It's just it's unsustainable to build it the way you
Speaker 8: guys wanted and be like this ultra I won't say ultram,
Speaker 8: it's not not ultra premium, but it just can't be
Speaker 8: produced one at a time and a big giant.
Speaker 1: I want you in there just making one at a time.
Speaker 1: When you get one done, let someone know, like the
Speaker 1: original days, like I just just made this one. It's
Speaker 1: up for sale, like just all day web maintenance. But no,
Speaker 1: it's it's coming.
Speaker 8: We finally found somebody that would injection mold it with
Speaker 8: the right plastic makeup and a huge like fiberglass fill,
Speaker 8: so it'll be very, very similar to what what you
Speaker 8: guys used. We made it a little bit thinner. Some
Speaker 8: of the other reviewers wanted a little more resonation out
Speaker 8: of it, and so were a little.
Speaker 10: Who else is better?
Speaker 2: Mosing? Do they want it?
Speaker 1: They want, but they want to be able to rake
Speaker 1: brush rake. They wanted to be a little more hollow
Speaker 1: when they're raking brush.
Speaker 4: And then they want, but i'll talk to you.
Speaker 1: There's some reasons why.
Speaker 10: We all see big bulls.
Speaker 1: And then they got that you're taking our color suggestion.
Speaker 8: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, we picked your It was weird
Speaker 8: that the name has green in it, but it was
Speaker 8: the most accurate. It was like some weird sage green
Speaker 8: color that they could cast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be meaning that your call looks like
Speaker 1: a paddle, but yeah, it'll be like that could be
Speaker 1: really good. Does it have the read in it or
Speaker 1: is it just we're going to work on it.
Speaker 8: We we got some other changes to it, but yeah,
Speaker 8: we'll have that. We'll have that read read in there
Speaker 8: as an accessory. But nine people will probably just voice call,
Speaker 8: but we'll we'll have that as an option, okay, and.
Speaker 1: Then uh, and then real quick before we wrap up
Speaker 1: review for me, what what hot new turkey products are out?
Speaker 4: And then then I want the DSD you guys do
Speaker 4: the same, So Turkey calls.
Speaker 8: This year we got the new triple locator Hawk Scream,
Speaker 8: I'll scream Woodpecker call. We brought back working with Steve Morgenstern,
Speaker 8: one of the greats in the in the friction ca world.
Speaker 8: We've got two signature series, so we went with I'm
Speaker 8: gonna get this wrong. We went with Mulberry and a
Speaker 8: red slate, and then we went with like a very
Speaker 8: specific specked out hard slate in Babinga. So we have
Speaker 8: two of.
Speaker 4: Those pots coming.
Speaker 8: And then we've got the new Rain series that we
Speaker 8: partnered up with Chris Parrish, probably the all time winning
Speaker 8: his tricky caller and great, great you know guy that
Speaker 8: that we work with on the Turkey call side on
Speaker 8: a three pack of those really light, more intricate diaphragms.
Speaker 8: This year we've got a new reverse tapered striker. I
Speaker 8: think I can talk about it now, a reverse tapered striker.
Speaker 1: So like, oh, by the way, why'd you give Clay
Speaker 1: a pack of calls?
Speaker 4: We didn't give me a new pack of calls.
Speaker 8: Don't need Clay gave me credit for that. I don't
Speaker 8: know where he dug those up when he got here.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you didn't give those to me. Somebody else did.
Speaker 1: But then we've got like you know, strikers forever have
Speaker 1: been like you know, they usually get bigger as they.
Speaker 4: Go out to the bell.
Speaker 8: But like you can see on this one, it actually
Speaker 8: gets skinnier back towards where we make the connection on
Speaker 8: the on the end, a lot more vibration you can
Speaker 8: actually fill it in your striker, and so we're getting
Speaker 8: a little bit more once again.
Speaker 4: Morganstern had that idea. So we're gonna bring that guy
Speaker 4: out this year.
Speaker 8: And everybody talks about you always hear everybody talk about
Speaker 8: diamond wood strikers, you know, wake up the cheapest calls.
Speaker 4: And we finally found a company that has.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like that's that's the best striker material you can
Speaker 8: in my opinion, and a lot of tricky hunter's opinions
Speaker 8: you can use. We finally found somebody that had like
Speaker 8: the original recipe to diamond wood. Everybody, you know a
Speaker 8: lot of people have tried to imitate it but haven't
Speaker 8: got it right. And so we're back to like the
Speaker 8: original diamond wood.
Speaker 4: What is the strikers.
Speaker 8: So it's just a bunch of laminated short really you know,
Speaker 8: thin veneers, and they put a bunch of phenolic resin
Speaker 8: and then put it under like crazy amounts of pressure.
Speaker 8: So even though it's wood, it's also got a lot
Speaker 8: of phenolic in it, and so it's you know, fairly waterproof.
Speaker 8: It will it will saturate out, but like just that
Speaker 8: thing will wake up a ten dollars pot call that
Speaker 8: you got it Walmart and have, Yeah, that's yours. It
Speaker 8: does look like you put it in there backward. Yeah, no,
Speaker 8: it's it was designed that way. I need to write
Speaker 8: reverse ta Yeah we did. It wasn't like it wasn't
Speaker 8: a reject off of the machine. You need to write
Speaker 8: reverse taper. It feels good in your hand. Yeah, it's
Speaker 8: it's it's good.
Speaker 4: It's good.
Speaker 8: You can build a real marginal pot call and throw
Speaker 8: out striker in with it and you're like, bam, is
Speaker 8: that right? And then uh, tell me about the triple
Speaker 8: locator again. So hawk scream it's got three settings on
Speaker 8: the band, So if you set it closest to the
Speaker 8: front of the yeah, we got this, and then we
Speaker 8: also have it in like a more custom fancy lamine.
Speaker 8: You got the oul screamer in the middle setting, and
Speaker 8: then all the way back we've got that affiliated woodpecker
Speaker 8: just located on one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Loud, extremely loud, you know, with the intention hunters, the
Speaker 8: hunter's call just to get them to locate. Are you
Speaker 8: still selling Clay's acorn call?
Speaker 1: We are, We're about out.
Speaker 8: We we did that rerun and really didn't talk a
Speaker 8: whole lot about it, and I think we're we're getting
Speaker 8: down into real low two digit inventory left and that's
Speaker 8: gonna be the last run ever.
Speaker 1: We've made some improvements.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got two material improvements and uh uh yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna the.
Speaker 4: One little issue collectors.
Speaker 1: Are you going to retire it? Yeah? Well, so Clay,
Speaker 1: we did something cool.
Speaker 8: We wanted to use white oak, and we realized like
Speaker 8: the finishing of white oak was a giant pain in
Speaker 8: the ass at times.
Speaker 1: So we had to we had to go back and
Speaker 1: you know, change them over.
Speaker 10: But the structure of the call, that being an inhale
Speaker 10: exhale dobly buck grunt, I mean, that's the acorn grunner,
Speaker 10: but the oak acorn grunner.
Speaker 8: Is gonna go The oak part is gonna go away.
Speaker 8: We're gonna switch it over to a crylic. How many
Speaker 8: do we make of those total in the two different runs?
Speaker 8: At twelve hundred total, and then you don't have if
Speaker 8: you want to get one. We sold a bunch of
Speaker 8: them there at the Portland Show. People loved them and yeah,
Speaker 8: it's it's pretty unique, great sounding call. You blow on
Speaker 8: one and I'll take that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of a collector's I mean not had me
Speaker 1: there night. There was a huge mistake. My buddies were
Speaker 1: over because my birthday and someone's like, hey, can we
Speaker 1: open this bottle of whiskey?
Speaker 4: Oh don't well?
Speaker 1: I was well, I was like, I don't care. We
Speaker 1: could drinking, and you know that they opened it. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize back there when we had that that barrel
Speaker 1: of meat eater bourbon. Oh it was them. It was
Speaker 1: the bottle that said one, and I had like, you.
Speaker 10: Were never going to use it, I know, but dude,
Speaker 10: they got it.
Speaker 1: You've got a little chunk change for that. If it
Speaker 1: was if you have send it to my collection, it
Speaker 1: would still be sitting up there unopened. Once I realized
Speaker 1: what happened, Yeah, it's going now have gone.
Speaker 4: But this is the like whiskey is meant to be drinking.
Speaker 1: You know, my good friends and what's better than the
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday party? It was my old was my oldest friends,
Speaker 1: was like my o G friends. They drank it.
Speaker 4: So it's fun, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Dave, you do the same thing. What's the hot
Speaker 1: new ticket. The hot new DSD items for spring turkey
Speaker 1: which is coming up.
Speaker 3: New for of this spring is that we finally made
Speaker 3: a pack that's designed to carry DSD turkey decoys. It's
Speaker 3: a fly down pack and was designed by our own
Speaker 3: Scott Sprucker, and it.
Speaker 1: Is I mean, rather than putting them in a big
Speaker 1: gunny sick yeah, rather.
Speaker 2: Than putting the the you know, the straps around your
Speaker 2: neck and it's like you put to this way and.
Speaker 1: To this way, we're going to get across some getting strangled, yeah, which.
Speaker 4: We've all done that.
Speaker 3: This is a really comfortable pack that's lightweight, has a
Speaker 3: divider in it so it easily carries a jake and
Speaker 3: a hen half strut jake and a hen and maybe
Speaker 3: maybe a little more than that, and then there's also
Speaker 3: a chest rig and they can be worn together. And
Speaker 3: the chest rig is basically to hold everything, every essential
Speaker 3: thing that you need for turkey. Anningh did you bring
Speaker 3: me one of those packs?
Speaker 10: Does it have a nose it replaces your turkey your
Speaker 10: turkey vest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: It has a yeah, and it has a pad, uh
Speaker 2: seat pad.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I just want the backpack.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not quite the utility about that. That's
Speaker 2: what I was.
Speaker 1: It's a bag. I want the bag to carry the
Speaker 1: decoys in a guny sex. Yeah you can.
Speaker 3: You can put the decoy within its bag in the backpack,
Speaker 3: or just take it out of its bag and put it.
Speaker 3: Put it in the backpack because it's it protects the
Speaker 3: whole decoy, so that makes it super fast, super fast
Speaker 3: set up.
Speaker 4: That's what I want.
Speaker 12: And you can buy it, Steve is just the backpack
Speaker 12: or just the chest pack, or you can get the pair.
Speaker 1: And you guys are all in stock. People are gonna
Speaker 1: have any problem to go to buy their decoys for
Speaker 1: the spring.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so far we're we're caught up.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, good man.
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited, like Turkey's coming. I mean it's here
Speaker 1: for the you know people down south. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I get this time. I get like where I all.
Speaker 1: I do a mental transition and I just start putting
Speaker 1: junk away, Like if I had ice fish and stuff out,
Speaker 1: it's done, trap and stuff, put it away, just start
Speaker 1: clearing the deck yep. Like I lose interest in everything,
Speaker 1: and it's like Turkey time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an exciting time.
Speaker 12: And then one thing I might add to that, Steve
Speaker 12: is our preming hend was so popular last year and
Speaker 12: so many of our customers were actually buying multiple preening hens.
Speaker 12: It we're now offering it as a as a twin pack.
Speaker 12: You can get two preen hens and save a little money.
Speaker 1: That way sweet.
Speaker 3: So that was a decoy we came out with kind
Speaker 3: of late, so a lot of people used it last
Speaker 3: year and it we were really super happy with it.
Speaker 4: Did you bring one of those?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, We've got one here. Oh it's like
Speaker 2: it's like almost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1: Steve happy related.
Speaker 10: You know, do you think when a big guy work
Speaker 10: comes up to two preening decoys, he's gonna go, what
Speaker 10: are the chances both of those ladies are preening at
Speaker 10: the same time?
Speaker 2: But I will say this.
Speaker 3: In our observations, it's it's it was amazing the number
Speaker 3: of times that four or five hens are preening together
Speaker 3: and they're preening the same group of feathers at the
Speaker 3: same time. And so that's what's so amazing about this
Speaker 3: decoy is that that is a sign of turkeys that
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent relaxed, like they will only do
Speaker 3: that do feather maintenance when they're just completely feeling safe.
Speaker 1: So it's the opposite of the decoy where they're all
Speaker 1: standing exactly vertical armed the side of their head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looking in the same direction. Yeah, that's great man. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, guys, Thanks for having me, Thanks
Speaker 1: for geving. I like having the roundup, the Turkey roundup
Speaker 1: of everything that's going on this year. Fire it up,
Speaker 1: do a gobble, Phelps, Oh you're putting on a spa again.
Speaker 1: Let me hear yours, Clay, m hmm, No, felts Man,
Speaker 1: here's mine ready, That's all I need to hear right there.
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