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Hey guys, it's 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.879 Steve on my phone in Hawaii where it happens to 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.560 be Turkey season, and it is right now Turkey Week 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.800 here at me Eater, which means tons of great turkey 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.840 hunting content, a lot of great offers on turkey gear 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.480 at the meeater dot com, and even a calling contest 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.680 where I am getting my ass thoroughly kicked. Go find 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.200 it all at the meat eater dot com and stay 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:15.400 tuned more for all kinds of turkey action. All right, everybody, 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.679 we're having an outdoor gear manufacturing convention. Did you catch that? Dave? 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.440 Yes? I got that. Okay, that's probably all I'll get today. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.520 Joining party by Dave Smith, and we're gonna we're gonna 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.840 clear something up right away. Dave isn't hearing everything. And 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.160 last time he was on the show, his wife told 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:40.600 him he sounded arrogant. I didn't catch because he'll just 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.840 he was just missing parts. Are you open about this? Yeah, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.920 oh yeah, I explain to your problem. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.160 Well yeah. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.480 And by the way, my wife before this, she gave 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.720 me some words of encouragement. She said, she said, remember, Dave, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.040 you don't have to be funny, charming and intellectual, just 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:02.280 be yourself. So I was like that that really helped 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.400 a lot. But yeah, I just I can't hear shit. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.480 I mean, it's just way too much shooting and with 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.880 without wearing hearing protection and guiding. And I've taken as 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:17.720 many as twenty four goose hunters by myself on one hunt. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.400 And so don't don't be Dave. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.200 Wear hearing protection because it sucks when you get in 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.400 this situation, that's for sure. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.160 Okay, he's got isolated, You got your hearing aids in. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.960 Got him, got him cranked up. We'll do the best 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:31.360 I can. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:32.040 Okay. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.640 So if you're at home thinking, man, Dave guy's an 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.560 arrogant bastard. He may be, it's just that he can't hear. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.760 I don't feel like that's gonna be a problem for today. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:41.040 No. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:48.320 Joined also by Jason Phelps, the team from the founder 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:54.120 of Phelps Game Calls. Joined by the Lewises from f 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.320 HF GEAR. Yep, I won't say say a little bit 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:58.960 more now. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:01.640 What you want us to say? 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.840 The highly ever Bowls, the highly ver Bowls Paul Lewis 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.519 and John Lewis from FHF Gear. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.280 My wife's here to tell me that same encouragement. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:18.079 Is going to give you live feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.040 because you guys are designers, like you guys are designers, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.280 so you spend a lot of time just not you 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.359 spend a lot of quiet time. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:26.600 Yeah, we just that'd be. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.040 The goal anyway, It is the goal. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.600 We just got done with the shows down in Salt 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.360 Lake and Portland, and for me at least, like my 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.080 voice is gone by the first day because I'm I'm 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.800 used to sitting in sitting in it, like Dave said, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.440 a dark dungeon and not talking to anybody. So yeah, 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.400 needs to exercise the vocal cords a little bit. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.680 Are you all visited out after doing trade shows? 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.480 Yeah, I think we both get where we need to. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.640 Just this will be the most socialization. We'll do probably 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.440 for the next week or so. How many trade shows 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:56.960 did you go to? 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.040 This is number two we have of three four, so 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:02.760 we have three more. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.680 Yeah, I don't know. I try not to keep track. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.360 But it's a lot, a lot of people, a lot 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.480 of talking. All yeah, man, but it's good. I mean, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.080 I enjoy seeing seeing the customers and like getting that feedback. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.040 It just my voice goes out fairly early in the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:20.320 trip usually. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:21.880 Phelps, Did you like doing trade shows? 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.599 I love them. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.520 They do they wear on you, though. I mean, I 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.000 like being at them, but I'm not in the same breath. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.960 I'm glad that they were on the same weekend this 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.280 year and they're just done and over with. But no, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.560 it's always good to catch up with your customers and 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.440 listen to hunting stories and shoot the crap. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:38.919 You know what I liked that I didn't know you 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.360 guys had is at your booth. You have that chart 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.080 that like game call that that the major ram call matrix. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.000 Yeah, it's just because you spend so much time explaining 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.919 the same thing, so it's easy to point, you know, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.600 and like, hey, this calls down here, this calls up here. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.720 I would have rigged it, so it was work like 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.080 had a goal, so work better, works better, works better, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.159 then nobody leads to a high price margin. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.599 Man, I thought we could. I was gonna say, at 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.000 some point, we're not going to buy the ones that 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.040 work worse. But I get that damage the sales on 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.800 the little on the little working calls Clay's here. He 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.040 doesn't make anything. All his trust, all his stuff is 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:20.880 written in words. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.719 That's right. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.120 He makes a little. He makes cute carvings and artworks. Yeah, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.360 did you see your picture out there? 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:27.680 Yeah? 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.520 Man, yeah, krink. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.440 He grabbed the picture so we can show the picture again. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:32.719 Finally made it. Made it. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.240 We're doing you know, we're doing a T shirt design. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.240 Yeah, I heard about that. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.760 I like it. I'm gonna show it again. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.760 Hey, I was gonna say, I was going to ask 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.200 you a question, Jason about your trade shows. Are you 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:47.320 the guy that's elk bugling like NonStop, just like just 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.640 like attracting attention? 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.960 Yeah, and then like the specially because this is where 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.680 I put it, Clay, can you and your own words 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:55.480 quickly explained? 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.480 So a couple of years ago I found this at 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.560 my mom and dad's house and had completely forgotten that 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.400 I had drawn this when I was a junior in 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.520 high school in art class. It's a pen and ink 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.920 of a muscled up dude, like a future man, yeah, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.680 with a machine gun shooting a big hog in a 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.800 cyper swamp. And I made a living in high school 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.839 man off drawing muscled up guys. I don't know what 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.680 it was, but I was like, I just like drew 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.880 those guys NonStop. And I think this is a This 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.440 is the first time I've realized this. This is a 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.320 spin off the Bo Jackson wearing his wearing his shoulder 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.120 pads with the with a baseball bat. Yeah were you 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.720 do you remember you? Oh, this was inspired by that, well, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.600 the shoulder pads. He's wearing football shoulder pads. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:43.400 He's been on the show. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.359 Yeah, Bo Jackson man, Now he had Bo Jackson had 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.120 a famous baseball card or football card where he had 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.120 his shirt off, shoulder pads on with a baseball bat. 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.760 I think that's what inspired the shoulder pads. But yeah, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.240 so we're gonna make a T shirt machine gun. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.960 Yeah, Oh, that'd be a good name for the shirt. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:06.920 That's what I think. That's what we referred to it as. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:08.520 That's great, it's great. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.320 Artwork that's really cool. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.960 Uh and then uh, Dave Smith. Of course you're from 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.960 from uh D s D. You know, how do you 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:20.480 guys handle that there's Dave Smith decoys and then D 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.640 S D decoys. Have ever asked you about this? 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.440 So I've always tried to push D s D because 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.520 it sounds less because arrogant. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.080 Exactly because you're arrogant. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.680 So I meant at the beginning, I wanted to call 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:40.200 them zombies zombie decoys, and that just didn't stick. You know, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.120 people were just like, you know, you got to go 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.920 get Dave Smith, you know, if you got any of 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.840 Dave Smith, and that just sort of that just sort 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:47.320 of happened. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:48.920 So but now you know, we're. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.120 A larger you know, larger company and part of a 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.600 larger company and everything like that. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.240 Like I don't it just so you're comfortable. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.160 I don't offend Jason because of the Felps scholar or 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.480 whatever like that. But I just like felt like it's 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.720 it's a I have, you know, not I'm not like 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.960 the you know, the big decision maker on everything, you know, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.240 I mostly do the artwork part of it and stuff 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.480 like that. So it's a there's so much contributors to 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.880 DSD that I wanted to make sure that it wasn't 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:17.600 all about me. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.360 So you're comfortable to be in DSD decoys. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever d s D. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.840 I mean, DSD Decoys doesn't really make sense because it's 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.120 Dave Smith decoy, so it'd be like, yeah. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.000 I'm I'm changing Phelps game calls the PGC after him 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.560 talking about arrogance and his name. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:37.480 I'm gonna Philips. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:38.640 We're going back to PGC. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.560 Oh Man, already, already, I'm alreadysier to say than f 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:44.959 h F. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.080 Joined also by Brad Cochran, who's never been on the 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.280 show before. Brad Cochran from DSD. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:51.800 Thanks for having me. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:57.360 Yeah, man, I want to get to something. I want 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:02.160 to get something about your decoy philosophy. Okay, we'll talk 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:08.160 about it later. He well, no, we'll I want to 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.920 touch on then we'll delve into it later. You you, uh, hey, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.160 you need to just go all the way. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.440 You always do this. You always go you touch on 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.000 like the most thing, and you're like, we're gonna get 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.199 back to it. Just go for it, Okay, just let's 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:24.679 go all in. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.640 You uh all right, you have a rule that you 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.160 don't want to shoot. Now you've bushwacked turkeys in the 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.680 past and done all the oh sure, yeah. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.800 I mean I got into turkey hunting when I was 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.640 fourteen years old, so you know, I imagine, like a lot 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.760 of new turkey hunters, it was all about getting a bird, oh. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.280 Yeah in the beginning, and belly crawling, bushwacking, yeah, ditch crawling, yeah, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:54.880 strangling whatever it took. Yeah, but you got now you 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.319 don't want to hunt them if you're not using a decoy. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:57.880 For sure. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.000 Walk me through that. Yeah. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:00.240 Yeah. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.840 Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons for it, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:07.440 I would say, first and foremost, for me, it's really 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:13.480 about the the experience I've found that there. There's just 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.679 there's there's nothing quite as memorable to me as having 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.160 that really close encounter, and with decoys, I can draw 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.360 them in as close as I want. Essentially, you know, 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.199 I mean, obviously I have to be concealed. That's certainly 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.480 an important component to it. But there's also you know, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.520 it's it's challenging. I like to let I like to 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.720 let my season, you know, I like it to last 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.960 more than three days. We have a six week long 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.280 season in Oregon. Back home so. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.480 How many turkeys you guys a loud three? Really? 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:47.880 Yeah? 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.360 One per day, three per season. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:52.800 Yeah. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.280 Are you turkey numbers holding up? 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:55.080 Yeah? 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.440 They are. Our turkeys are doing really well. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:04.920 When you when you're when you say that that there's 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.520 a trick to it, do you feel that there's a 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.480 trick to how you set him out? Yeah? 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.960 Yeah, absolutely, you know you want them to be visible 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.920 for sure, And I think it's really important that you 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:23.160 go into your hunt knowing that. Okay, my goal is 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.240 to decoy a bird, right, So my mindset isn't that 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.040 I want to get a bird however I possibly can. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.480 It is I want to draw a bird into the 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.240 decoy before I shoot it. 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.199 If you want to spur it at decoy, you know. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.200 I mean not necessarily, because sometimes I might just be 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.560 using a hand decoy, Like if I'm archery hunting, for example, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.800 I've had better success with just a single hand decoy 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.000 because the bird is more likely to either come in 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:56.480 full strut and he's not moving versus you know, when 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.840 you put a gobbler decoy out. Oftentimes the bird's responses 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.560 is that they're very aggressive when they come in. They 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.200 come running in, they come you know, kicking the shit 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.400 out of the decoy and you're sitting there and you're 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.240 waiting for the bird to stop, and you know general 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.160 rule of thumb, I would say, I need a good 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.000 five seconds to get drawn back, you know, find my 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.040 my aiming point, and then let my arrowfly. And that 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.080 can be really difficult if you've got a bird that 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.800 is so pissed off at your gobbler decoy that he 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.800 just won't stop, you know, eating the hell out of it. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.520 So I've found that shooting a bird in full strut 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.680 is ideal, and actually the most ideal is when you 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.280 can get a bird to climb up on top of 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.520 your hand decoy. So we make a decoy called our 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.400 mating hand decoy. She's actually laying on her belly and 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.000 she's she's in a breeding position. It's a very natural 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.440 looking breeding position and it's really effective because it's super 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.760 stable and it's it's one of my favorite. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.800 Well they climb up there, Yeah, don't you think that 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.439 I'm surprised he doesn't show up and think, like, man, 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:09.319 there's no way that just laying out there a breeding 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.439 position real quick? Usually do you think that. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:17.520 I hunt? 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.160 So one of the places that hut my buddy, Uh 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.400 Doug Durren's place for the youth season, and and uh 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.080 sometimes you get where uh you get where gobblers won't 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.600 come out. You know, they'll know that decoys out there. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.720 Do you think when a gobler won't come out and 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.880 it just wants to like watch that decoy and then 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.000 shy off from a gop from a male decoy, do 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.800 you think is that he don't buy it or you 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.240 think that he don't want to go out and tussle 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:44.600 with it. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.120 I would say, I mean, it's just if it's is 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.360 one of our decoys. I mean, is it a realistic 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:52.920 looking decoy we're talking about, or. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.280 Just say like whatever, yeah, like yeah, one of your decoys. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.079 Yeah, in that situation, I would say, you know, assuming 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.199 that you know, your height is good and he didn't 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:09.560 see somebody move or pick you out or call terribly yeah, yeah, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.559 then yeah, maybe he's just not in the mood to 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:13.599 challenge another. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.400 Bird because uh, the way he's got set it up. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.520 He's got like this trail cam and we'll set up 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.160 and sit and he'll he'll be like, oh yeah, every 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.320 day that bird comes out and does whatever, you know, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.680 And then so me and my kids go out there 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.720 and we set up like a you know, a pack 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.920 of them and uh using that using a half strutter, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.680 and he might come down and see that and not 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.200 like it. But if it's just a hen right out now, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.480 I was warm. If that bird doesn't want to get 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.160 his ass kicked. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.800 Sometimes I would say that it's the difference because then 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.480 the other ones, you know, and then you might get 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.000 one just runs out there like. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.480 Totally intent on fighting that thing. Yeah, you know, like 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.000 they got different moods or whatever. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.920 You know what I'm saying, right, And that's why we 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:06.240 make gobbler and hen decoys and multiple different poses. You know, 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.400 you see our strutter decoy over there, and he's a 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.600 very dominant that's a very dominant pose right there, and 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.560 any gobbler that season knows that he's asserting himself. Whereas 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.840 that one over there, which I'm going to call the 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.560 half strut bake because that's really what it is, and 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.080 that way Dave doesn't kill me. Somewhere along the lines, 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.640 that got called the three quarter shrud Jake, and it 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.080 got printed on a UPC label and put on five 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.880 hundred boxes shipping to bass pro shops. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.280 He was three quarter strudding. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.480 He's actually half strutting. That's the intention of that decoy. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.480 So we're going to call it the half strut, Jake, 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.760 even though it technically, if you look on our website, 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:47.840 it's called the three quarter. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.400 Shread, Jake, tell me about the unhappiness. You just think 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.360 it's goofy to say something's three quarter strutting, three quarter 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:56.080 crow rams. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.280 I mean, I you know, I mean I put a 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.560 lot of effort in to the poses and make sure 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.720 I try to make him as accurate as possible and 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.680 everything like that, and that is a half strut, Jake. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.760 I think what you have to realize here, Steve, is 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.960 that Dave he studies birds obviously a lot, and and 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:19.520 their anatomy, and there are you know, there there are 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.840 other there are other poses that would be close more 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.600 closely resemble a three quarter Strutchach. In other words, he 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.000 there are poses between that decoy that are closer to 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.160 a bird that's in full strut like that one right there, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.040 It would be more appropriate to call a three quarter 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:37.640 stretch ache. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.840 You know those shirts to show like the evolution to man. Yeah, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.240 we should do one of make it like ten steps 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.560 toward full strut. Yea with the fractions. Yeah, the first 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.920 one be like hanging out and then at the end 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.040 of the turkey in full strut, and it just shows 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:01.560 him'd be great decoy guy. We should cancel that about that, 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:07.199 we should cancel that that future man and just do 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.720 the thing on the way to the thing to. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.080 Help people be able to describe what they're seeing. Like 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.399 if I'm telling the story, I'm like, man a turkey 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:15.320 with seven eight strut. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.639 How often do you how often do you see that? 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.720 You know, when Jake's come in, Jake's come in and 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.960 get nervous about Jake's come in and get nervous about strutters? 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:27.760 You know what I'm talking about. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:29.520 They can, they can? 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.680 What do you think that what's going on in your head? 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.639 I would say that most of the time, Jakes are 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.119 probably intimidated by a strutter decoy if they're not gonna 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.119 approach it. But I've had I've had even individual Jakes 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.400 come up and attack our strutter. That's what I'm likely 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:46.720 to happen. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.320 That's what I was going to get to next, is 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.720 when you get a handful of them and they're going 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:52.320 to take it on. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:52.760 Yeah. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.600 Yeah, I've had situations where I was hunting one big 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.800 Tom and he absolutely would not come in because there's 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:01.719 three jakes and my decoys, and I couldn't get rid 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.520 of the jakes. I'm finally I'm like, maybe I should 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.720 just start shooting the jakes or something that's gonna be frustrating. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.800 But it's like with everything too, even with the dear dycoy. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.159 I've had bucks step out and see the dear decoy 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.320 and I'm super excited, and I'm like, I know it's 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.600 a buck that has been aggressive before, and then it's 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.639 just like on this day, he just doesn't want to 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.120 deal with it. And I always thought that individuals were 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.440 in their certain pecking order turkeys or deer, and that 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.080 that that's how they'll always be. But even their mood 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.760 can change within the hour or day to day and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:34.440 stuff like that. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 There's no situation where like, at a minimum, you're gonna 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:43.240 use a hen, right, and then there's no situation. Have 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.920 you ever set out have you? Do you ever use 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.760 no hen and. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:55.600 Just a gobbler decoy? Yeah, maybe it's happened before. If 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.679 it has happened, it was probably because I was just 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.280 trying to move really quickly and I only felt like 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.359 I had time, you know, maybe to grab one decoy 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.600 and and set one decoy, because the draw of a 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.919 gobbler decoy is that, you know, if you have an 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.040 aggressive bird, oftentimes that that might be the only tool 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.960 you have to draw him away from his hens, is 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.560 to threaten him with another gobbler who's who's challenging him. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.159 Then he might kind of he might want to come 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:26.520 in rough. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.920 Yeah, because if a bird has five hens with him 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.040 and he sees another hen, you know, sure he might. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.920 He might gobble at you, but he's he's not gonna leave. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.879 He's not going to leave the real deal. And so 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.040 just generally speaking, I would say that you're gonna have 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.760 better success with a gobbler decoy if a birds end up. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.119 One of the things I like watching is uh, I 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.320 like watching the hen come up to a hen and 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:59.800 how they get like gradually really pissed. At first they're 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.640 like purring at it, and pretty soon like hey, what's 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.679 your problem? And then they're like packing it. I've had 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.040 them come in and like lay down next to it, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.399 you know, like thinking they're hanging out and then get 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.359 mad at it and pack it. You watch them go 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:15.639 through this whole little friendship. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.920 Yeah, it's crazy, you know, keeps. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.840 Everybody entertained with your decoy. I know some tombo Yeah yeah, okay. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.760 I was hunting my boy one time and we had 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.320 we just had all we had. We had a DSD 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.879 hen and the hen came out and I'm not kiddy 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.879 man like laid down with it, just set there forever, 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.120 laid down not moving and then got irritated at it 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:44.040 and like purred at it, got eyeball to eyeball with it. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.080 Was just not getting what it wanted out of it, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.359 packing at it, you know, bullying it because the. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.920 Hen wasn't saying anything back. I don't know, I can't 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:59.000 tell questions. It wasn't responding. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.919 And that in that same spot where that happened, we 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.800 had a KYO come over and roll that thing, which happens, yeah, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:12.400 which happens pretty frequently, come out and roll it. They 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.880 more reliably roll the decoys than like a predator caller decoy. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.640 They'll charge it a lot of times, you know, it's 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.280 just a predator caller sitting there with a little tail waving. 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.320 They'll charge it and then they'll change their mind. But 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.240 the decoys they go for it. I think cause it 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:29.800 looks like they get there and it looks like what 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.880 they're expecting. It doesn't look like a plastic box with 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.360 a chunk of tail hanging off it. And then do you, uh, 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.280 do you change, like, do you change your setup? You 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.000 know what I'm talking about youth season? You seasons always 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.520 real early. When I talk about having having like where 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.480 you see like a bird, he seems like he doesn't 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.639 want to duke it out, you know, and he's like 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.160 a little bit shy about coming up to his strutter decoy. 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.560 But that's early, right, you would still be snow on 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.439 the ground. So do you change how you set your 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:03.639 decoys throughout the season? 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:11.000 Sure, I mean that it changes as the season progressives, 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.919 but it also you know, it can it could depend on, 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.720 you know, an individual bird that I might be going 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:25.320 after or so it's not necessarily what I'd use for 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.760 decoys doesn't necessarily correlate with the time of the season. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.760 A lot of times back home, our birds are still 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.199 pretty flocked up during the youth hunt because that's the 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:40.080 weekend before our season. Sure, we're April fifteenth, and the 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.359 Saturday and Sunday prior to April fifteenth is the youth hunt. 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:46.840 So you know, I mean a lot of times we'll 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.679 be setting up on you know, maybe the roost is 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.800 holding thirty forty birds, and a week or two later 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:58.800 there's only you know, maybe fifteen. So a lot of 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:03.040 times during that youth hunt, you're actually not hunting too 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.200 many individual gobblers, but there's lots of groups of you know, three, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:11.040 four or five birds running around and they're pretty dang aggressive. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:13.800 You put a gobbler decoy out and it doesn't really 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.680 matter what it is, they're going to come attack it. 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.399 What's the most decoys you ever set out at one time? 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.120 You'll put a whole flock out, like you're hunting geese. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.639 Probably the most that I've ever put out is maybe five, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:28.960 five or so. 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.160 But when we go hunt with Matt Winners, he puts 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:33.280 out like twelve. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.680 Oh dude, they're tel turkey decoys. 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.399 Yeah, yeah, And we have we have several customers that 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.600 do that and they just every time they're just shocked 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:43.560 at how well it works. And I'm kind of surprised 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:45.920 that it works that good because it's like, all of 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.880 a sudden, the flock of turkeys is, you know, encountering 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:49.680 a whole new. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.480 Flock and yeah, they're like I thought I was the flock. 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.560 Yeah, yeah, let's go mingle. But yeah, it's pretty fun 0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.399 when you, uh, when we have done that. Matt is 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.000 the one who really turned that on the first time 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.040 we ever went. He's in Kansas. The first time we 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.560 ever went to go hunt with him, he wanted to 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.760 impress us of how many DSDs he had and he 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.200 had them all out in his yard and. 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.760 Then you wanted to show you what a good customer 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:12.119 he was. 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:17.240 Yeah, exactly, actually yeah, And he's just been h he's 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.359 been buying up first light gear the last couple of 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:23.000 weeks and weeks. He's just like a great supporter of 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:24.720 DSP and anything that we do. 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:25.600 He's just a great guy. 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:26.000 We love it. 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:27.320 We love him all right. 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:32.760 Give me, like, give me the just give people like 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.399 the setup. If people aren't gonna try to figure a 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.640 whole bunch of stuff out and they're not gonna buy 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:43.080 a dozen and they're just starting out, what do they 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.320 want to put out? They want to put out a 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.679 strutter and a hen like, just like give it like 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:55.480 the straightest, most most you know, idiot proof setup for idiots. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.639 Well, like I always I asked him first you know 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.280 about their hunt. First off, are you a shotgun hunter 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:04.440 or are you an archery hunter? 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:05.240 Shotgun? 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.399 Okay, you're a shotgun hunter. Then I get a hen 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:08.800 in at Jake decoy. 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.760 Hending to Jake, Yeah really yeah. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:12.520 Three quarter strut. 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.600 So you just if you're telling someone like, okay, let me, 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.480 let me give you the profile of the guy. There's 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.520 a guy. Let's just say there's a guy that knows 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.639 he's got access on some field and it's not a 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.640 big spot. He's got access on forty acres and now 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.880 and then he notices on his way to work he'll 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.200 see some turkeys out in the field and he thinks 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:37.560 to himself, Man, I'm gonna go out in that field 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.320 on O ME day and I'm gonna sit there. And 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:41.560 that's as much as he knows. 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.200 Yeah, that's a perfect Jake and a hen Hen guy that, 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.880 like some of the guys, will will start him off 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.240 with a strutter. If they have like a big boss 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.320 Tom that they've been having, you know, trouble with, that's 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:55.480 the time to put a strutter. 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:56.480 But it's also. 0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:00.480 Trouble well, like they're just they just have been able 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:04.280 to get him to go to commit by any other 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.440 way or with other decoys or something like that. But yeah, 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.280 I mean a half stritch jake and a upright hand 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.920 is a great I mean people have done that for 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.280 years and years just starting out and had great success 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.439 with it. And we've had quite a few people at 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.600 the beginning just put out just an upright hand only 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.239 and start with that. But if you can afford two decoys, uh, 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:30.040 Jac and Hen just really covers it. And then after that, 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.560 if you want to improve your odds and you start 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.800 adding in at least like confidence poses like feeders and 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.400 printers and that kind of that, that kind of helps 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:41.119 a lot. 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:42.000 Do you. 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.560 My buddy' Zuck when he's putting them out, he likes 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.040 to put him out where he's like, well, yeah, but 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.880 they I could picture him walk in toward that corner, 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.080 and you make sure that that they look like they're 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.760 traveling in direct yeah, into that. 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:01.359 Yeah, we made a striding hand just for that purpose, 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.240 and when some people a little by, three or four 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:08.200 of them just for that reason. So we're just trying 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.600 to offer everything and give you lots of options so 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.000 that everyone's confused. 0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:18.440 Is there any decoy company that makes realistic looking feet 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.280 turkey feet. 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.560 I don't think so. I mean, I don't know why. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:29.280 That's the only part of any decoy that's not realistic. 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.160 But I mean, by the time they get that close, 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.600 it's probably two heats in the grass. But I mean, 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.720 you know they've they've all got the state coming down. 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.879 And I mean a turkey turkey feet are kind of bright, 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.920 you know that bright pink. I just wondered if there's 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.800 like if you could and it maybe maybe it's it's 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:46.720 not a factor. 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.919 But there are some things that I can't tell you. 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:57.720 I can't say right now, but we we we agree it. 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.600 Could be like a detachable bipod. I bet I don't 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:02.719 have any inside intel here. 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.760 I'll shut out. Oh, I can tell what Dave can't say. Yeah, 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.880 I mean I've detected not can tell. I can't tell you. 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.480 I've got some ideas, But. 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.560 I mean, feet are a huge part of birds like 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:15.159 Mallard ducks. 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:16.600 Even sitting on the water. 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.760 You can see feet are huge, a huge part of it. 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.600 And Canada geese, especially the large race white cheek geese, 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.400 the feet are a huge. 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:26.640 Part of it. 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.399 And and I've fought that battle with the DSD forever, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.879 like wanting to have full legs and feet. So we 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:34.879 have legs, but we don't have feet. But the feet 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:36.240 are really a big part of a goose. 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.520 How about a little battery pack where they move like this. 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.760 So it's you're saying that the feet means something to 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.280 a bird. Well, picture that you saw a dude standing 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.720 on a field with no legs, but he was hovering. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.680 But it's really normal. 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.800 Yeah, I mean, because like in our goose hutting, a 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:56.720 lot of our goose setting is about landing birds and 0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.200 having them walking around the decoys. So we somehow we'll 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.239 use small spreads but get birds to land, and then 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.080 those are our decoys while we try to get other 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.040 birds come in in case we want to look for 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.160 a like ban or net collar out of the air. 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.920 And it's like, it's probably okay that the decoys don't 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.160 have feet while the birds are coming into land. If 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.800 you wanted to shoot at the first flock that came in, 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.000 it's probably fine land. But once they land they're walking 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.000 around the decoys. It does seem like, I mean, the 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.320 decoys hold birds really well, but it does seem like 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.800 it's just not right that all the decoys are like 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.479 hovering there on a post. 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.560 It bothers me. I don't know if it bothers the birds, but. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.600 It'd be kind of cool to have the complete bird 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:38.240 for sure. 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.520 But usually they're like sitting in grass. But anyways, I 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.280 got what you're saying. 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:56.960 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.120 In your guys line up, when did you start making 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.640 turkey decoys? Because you all everything like you were like 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.840 all geese all the time, and then you moved into Brad. 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.440 Is the d S historian, and he's good with dates 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:08.960 and stuff, and it's all a blur to me. 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.440 So, Brad, it was in eight with our upright hand. 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:17.840 It was in eight with our upright So can we 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:18.600 edit that out? 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.400 Who's the who paints the Is there a turkey painting specialist? 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.280 I mean our whole paint crew paints them. 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.400 Yeah, but I'm saying, is there like, is it divided 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:32.840 out or to the same people that paint geese paint turkeys. 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.480 Oh that's correct, Yeah, that's how we do it. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:36.320 It's divided out. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.960 So if they paint geese, they also paint. 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.280 Okay, and they get sick of I They kind of 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.200 get sick of painting this one thing for for a 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.520 long long time and they actually like a little bit 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:49.040 of variety. 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:50.120 They don't mind going. 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.200 From turkeys to geese and back to you know, turkeys 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:54.600 and then the deer or something like that. 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.800 Got it kind of monot monotonous. 0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.520 Otherwise, when they paint him, is it a small what 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.160 is the tool? Is a small airbrush they use? 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.200 They use big touch up guns and then small airbrush 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.800 and then a lot of hand painting too, hm so, 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.120 and then there's stencils, stenciling. 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.680 I don't want a dog in any particular decoy company, 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.200 but I remember we used to when we were younger. 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.160 We'd buy like a certain brand of decoys, and a 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.760 lot of times you'd see where they did it was 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:31.040 automated or something, because the they'd miss yeah, like the 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:36.840 white patch, Yeah, the spot, Yeah, like the white man 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:42.560 would be around the bag. It's like, yeah, that's so. 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.200 But when someone buys one, it's been like there's been 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:46.440 a dude painting on it. 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:46.920 Yeah. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.040 I don't think people realize that. 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:49.920 Yeah, No, I don't know for sure. 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.840 And there's probably been like five people that contributed to 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.760 that one decoy because we don't we don't have like 0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:01.200 individual stations where somebody paints a decoy from start to finish, 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.120 you know, and put a base later on, and then 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:10.959 you know, progressively, step by step it'll move down to 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.040 the next person and so on and so forth until 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:14.960 it's fully painted. 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.720 You ever seen But none of those guys wear braids 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.640 and stuff? Do they? With the little palette? 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:22.840 We know. 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.160 That'd be a good ad campaign. Man's add with a 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.360 brain and a palette doing some touch ups on it. 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:35.320 Put some happy little wattles on a turkey. 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.400 Well, I was just gonna say, like that, like on 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.200 the like on the streutter, for example, all that red 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.959 is all painted by hand brush and the entire body colored, 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.440 every bit of pearls and irid essence on that that's 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.120 all painted by brush by hand. 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.680 How long does it take to paint a decoy start 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:56.120 to finish. 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:56.760 I don't know. 0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:00.280 That's you know, we get asked that so often. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.120 And we have no idea. We don't want to I 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:02.920 don't want to know. 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.520 But you don't add it up now. 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.120 I mean maybe Greg does. But yeah, we're working on 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.000 a new decoy right now. That's really really difficult to 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.120 paint that. I can't I mean I can't really talk 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.320 about it because we're not positive that will come out 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:16.520 with it. 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.040 But it's really really difficult to paint. 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.440 And it's like, oh man, if we figured out how many, 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.000 I mean, well, we'll never make a profit with it. 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.000 What it supposed to look like? What kind of animal? 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:31.400 A bird? A bird one that goes quack like a 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:32.720 Himalayan cock of the rock. 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.959 Yeah, yeah, it's a a temis tragopan. 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.040 Yeah. 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.360 What makes it hard the positions into the kind of. 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.720 Bird it's it's a Mallard duck is what we're working 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:44.240 on right now. 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.720 And it's just a lot of you know, there's just 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.680 there's a lot of airbrushing, a lot of color. 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.600 Can I ask a dumb question and don't that's not 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:58.959 going to offend people? 0:33:59.400 --> 0:33:59.800 How much? 0:33:59.840 --> 0:33:59.959 Does? 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:04.280 Doesn't matter? But I'm not I'm not excited. Don't know, 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.240 like if the paint's awful a little bit while the 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.279 birds pick it up, or does it matter ten percent 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:09.680 of time? 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.319 We've just we have just. 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.560 We just decided a long time ago to just make 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.520 making things as accurate as we possibly can. And I've 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.440 made fish replicas my whole life. And my mentor was 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.680 honestly the best fish replica artists on Earth, Ron Pittard, 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.960 and he just taught me that you just don't You 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:36.440 just don't stop until something's deadly accurate, and then it 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.960 It has made a huge, huge, huge difference. So you know, 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.040 I don't know for sure how much it really matters 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.279 or whatever, but and it's it's not all about oh, 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.279 like I'm doing it for me or anything like that. 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.960 Like it's like, shit, no, we want we want birds 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.120 super super super close. We want to make quick, clean kills. 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.480 Everything we do is mostly for our own hunting, and 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.880 it's to be as absolutely as effective as we can. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.799 We honestly don't give a shit about you know, how 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.000 pretty the decoys are, whether they were carved by a 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.799 world class carver or anything like that. We just we 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.520 just love to hunt and as effectively as we can. 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.120 So, I mean, I think but realism is a big 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.000 deal with turkey decoys. Yeah, I mean big deal because 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.399 guys were the real serious guys years ago and some 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.439 still today are are using actual turkey mounts, have real 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.239 turkey feathers, and if you're if you're trying to get 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.399 him in close, yeah it's it's a big deal. 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:30.080 You're just hoping it don't rain. 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.120 Yeah, they get wet. 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.239 Oh there's so many guys that they'll say like, wow, 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.680 we don't like turkey decoys or turkey decoys don't work 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:40.200 that well and stuff like that. And we've seen a 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.520 lot of footage of birds coming in and they're just 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.839 like hanging up and hanging up like crazy, and they're like, yeah, 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.399 I see, you know, turkey decoays don't work that good, 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.920 but they're using some brand of turkey decoys. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.480 It just looks horrible. 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.760 And it's like, well, that's the problem, and that's telling 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.480 us a lot, and that's kind of driving what we do. 0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.200 And it's like most. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.040 Of the time, if we can get those guys to switch, 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.160 then good things happen. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.319 But I think on anything that's real persnickety and it 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.719 has a ton of components, people can always say, well 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.840 does that matter, does that matter? Does that matter? And 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.280 be like, I can tell you that the sum total matters. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.040 And perhaps there's parts within this whole approach that if 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.719 you pulled out it wouldn't affect the outcome, but it's 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.279 not discernible. You can't pick the pieces apart. Meaning if 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:29.000 someone says, like, just camouflage really matter, I'm like, you're 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.600 never gonna say I would have gotten that had I 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:37.160 not been wearing camo exactly. It's like, I don't know 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.560 in every situation if if you call a bull in 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.080 or call a turkey in, and you go like, okay, 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.360 I'm gonna I'm gonna rerun the universe and start manipulating 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:54.880 slight different things like I wasn't wearing a glove, my 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.120 turkey was a little shittier, and then my decoy is 0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.960 a little bit shittier looking, and then run the scenario 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.839 to the point where you identify the exact thing that 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.319 had to be right or wrong to make it work. 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:10.640 You don't get there. But if everything's right and you 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.200 just know it works, I don't really care about what 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:22.439 parts might have been superfluous. Yeah follow me, Yeah, where 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:24.720 that globe? I don't know. I just got the turkey. 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:26.480 Yeah yeah. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.440 Yeah. That's like with goose hunting. 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.279 A lot of it like the hide is so so 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.760 so important, and you know, the calling isn't is important 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.040 if if you're calling at all, and so it's like 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.719 everything really has to be right and you wouldn't want 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:45.360 to start removing any any part and start taking chances. 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.120 Yeah, It's like there's no way in the world you 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.520 would say that I would have gotten that gobbler if 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.240 my decoy wasn't as high quality. 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:56.120 Right. 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.680 Well, and then also, like Brad is alluding to, you know, 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.440 it's like, well, you could probably get a gobbler, but 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.200 what do you come into ten yards and really interact 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.600 like crazy with the decoy and just have this breathtaking moment. 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.600 It's like, well, maybe he would have came into thirty 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.640 yards and you could have you know, dumped in with 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.960 a shotgun or whatever. Just depends on what level of 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:19.880 really fun and excitement you want to take it to. 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.200 I sent you guys that video last year of a 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:27.319 bunch of a bunch of gobblers mounting your posturing him. 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:29.960 Yeah, we try to look away when that happens, but 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:30.560 it's like. 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:31.759 It's kind of hard too. 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:33.239 I supposed to watch that. 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:34.959 Yeah, get your. 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:35.600 Head out of the gutter. 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.239 Oh I got one. I got one last bird question, 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.120 one last turkey question. If if the paint job's so 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.759 realistic and all that, why is there what's up with 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.920 using a real fan or not a real fan? I 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:48.960 can't tell if it matters. 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.719 Yeah, we've we wanted to make an artificial fan. We 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.879 still want to just because it's so durable, because those 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.680 are a pain to deal with for sure. But you know, 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.879 we haven't been able to make an artificial fan that 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.759 really has the right finish and and translucency and and 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.640 all that stuff. And and we haven't seen any available 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.080 that are that way too. And you know, we have 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.760 a spectrometer and we use it occasionally. We probably should 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:18.839 use it more or whatever, but so we can kind 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.000 of check the finish and and the reflection on a 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.960 real bird or a real fan compared to a decoy 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.879 and all that stuff. And we just haven't been able 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.480 to come up with a real fan that that's durable, 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:35.759 but we'd love to, you know. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.319 Yeah, Now, have you ever thought about doing like map 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:42.480 spinners and buying and selling fans. 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.560 There's already a company that does that. 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.480 Does you can call them up and buy a Turkey fan? 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.160 Well, we we've we sent some customers to them, but 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.120 most of our customers will have a you know. 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.279 I can stack them, dude, I like every year, I 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:01.760 like go through and and sort them, take the bad ones, 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.280 get rid of them, promote the good ones. 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:05.360 Yeah. 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.239 I was just dusting off my fan pile the other 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.120 day thinking about coming up. 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.799 Yeah, turkeys are Turkey fans are one of those things 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.719 like I find my stuff every time I clean a bird. 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.279 It's sick so hard for to throw it away, you know. 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.359 Mm hmm. So you think that. Uh so when you're 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.279 setting up, when you guys are setting up, you're setting 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.240 up with a real fan if it's a full struck bird, 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:29.600 Oh yeah, for sure. Huh you know that some uh 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.279 you know that fanning. Some states are starting to come 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.680 out with rules about creeping up on turkeys with a 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:36.200 turkey fan. 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:37.000 Yeah, yep. 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:39.800 I think Wisconsin you can't do that anymore. 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.160 And I think maybe even in Kansas you can't reap. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:44.640 But don't quote me on that. 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.840 Can't move how they spelled it out, You can't move around. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.239 There's some rule you can't like move around with it. 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:51.000 Yeah. 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.440 Yeah, well, and a lot of people have been reaping 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.560 where they they'll take even ardi KOI and get behind 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.400 it and start crawling around. And and I've never done myself, 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.480 but I've even my some of my turkey partners have 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.279 done it. And they'll do it like with three or 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:11.200 four guys all behind strutters and crawl, you know, crawling up. 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.319 And they've had like this huge bunch of toms just 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.200 come in and just it's like, you know, it looks 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.319 like the Civil War or whatever, you know, and come 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.359 in and just start thrashing them and everything, and then 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.840 they jump out with shotguns and all that stuff. 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:26.080 Whatever. 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.600 It sounds kind of crazy and it sounds kind of dangerous. 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:29.920 But yeah, that's that's. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.040 I think that's why there. I think that's why states 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.760 are clamping down on it. It's just the risk factor. 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.879 Yeah, yeah, we don't want people to do that, for sure. 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.480 There's no way, like like I might, there's no way 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.600 I'll let my kid crawl around with a turkey fan 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.719 on his head, because then my wife be home at 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:50.520 what like once she got to understand, you know, if 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:54.960 he got whatever sprayed by a load of shotgun shells 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.080 or load of pellets, and then was asking me about 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.400 what happened, and I was like, oh, I told him 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.520 to take a Turkey's fan and crawl around out in 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.919 the fields just over his face. She's just gonna get mad. 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.799 Yeah, that's for sure, So. 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:11.279 I don't do it. 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.400 I've got a I've got a design idea for your 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.200 turkey fan. Okay, I can't tell it. Okay, it's that 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.360 good Okay, I like it. 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.279 Uh, Clay, I want you and you and Phillips to 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.720 do heat us up with a little turkey calling actions 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.239 turkey calling, tell me what you're putting in your mouth? 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:27.759 Yeah? 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.240 This so this is I just got these from Jason 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.560 this morning. This is the what is this, Jason? That 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.279 the tripping hen? Yep, they're usually a little better after 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.640 you warm them up a little bit, warm them up 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.840 like body temp. I mean, like for a couple of days. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.000 Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, that's got a word for. 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:49.000 I can't remember what it is. 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.200 I can't hear myself. 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.839 It's tough. Your headphones off. 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:14.400 It's a good gobble. 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:15.960 That's great, sounds good. 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:17.680 Your gobbles a little too high pitch? 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.040 Yeah, I got a real white call. 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.400 Have you ever heard of hen try to gobble? 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.080 You know? No, I know people talk about this, but no. 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.120 Yeah, it's it's extremely high pitched. 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.319 Trying to gobbler. Is it just a hen vocalization? 0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.160 For sure. I've seen them actually like throw their head forward. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:41.080 And two years ago I had a Hen come in 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.280 in full straut and I was filming by myself. 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.080 That was pretty cool. I haven't seen that happen too much. 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.879 But it phelps youat this up? 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.759 Well you what's your little bird app that you? You 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:58.480 say this isn't a woodpecker? You're no, I'm I just 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.480 want to remind you because you're gonna say that it's 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.120 not a woodpecker, but I whatever this is I got 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.360 Oh goodness. 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:08.759 Are you really trying to do it? I feel like no, 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:09.360 I didn't. 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.000 I was just bringing up that I called this woodpecker, 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.239 but you reminded me last time that it wasn't. 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:18.480 Okay, sound ideas on. You're not gonna trick it. Hold on, 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.439 you don't think it's gonna pick up. He's not gonna 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:26.920 trick it, really do you'll trick so do some hand calling. Okay, 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.799 I got it up. It says listening for birds. You'll 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.919 trick it with a hen call. Because I can trick 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:45.160 it with a hen call. You gotta get better than that. 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.400 I think it's something with being in a room or something. Okay, 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.000 phelps you hit it, you stop from it. You hit 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.400 We're gonna hit the new woodpecker. Call no, no, hit turkey. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:54.600 Call? 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.560 Oh no, who just did something? He no, I just 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.399 took a minute. I got wild turkey. I think it's slow. 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.160 I think it's because I finally started calling I'm a 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:11.560 little better than Clay. You call it, okay, hit it, Okay, 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:28.080 he's banging it, Clay, that's a new call. Try something different. 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:45.040 You're not getting it, Phelps, but didn't bring it then, 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:47.520 so I think we got No, it's not that we 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:48.400 just got a problem. 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.680 What's the cut? I don't know. It's Jason the what 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:51.439 the cut? 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.080 I think he's got. We actually split a bat wing 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.239 on that one, so it's a split down the middle. 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.640 And this is a combo cut with we nicked the 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:00.719 second layer a little bit on the open side. 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:01.239 On this one. 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.479 This is a really really light call, like all prof 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.040 and then that one's a little bit yeah, I mean 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.279 by light call so we can layer in. You know, 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.440 most of your tricky calls, there are a lot of doubles, 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.200 but I would say the majority of your tricky calls 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.399 are going to be triple three pieces of latex. So 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.359 like when this one be an ultra light the new 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.560 Rain series, it's got prof you know, prophylactic, profilactic, and 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.080 a very light piece of latex on top that's cut. 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.560 So this call is going to call way lighter than 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.959 like a call that Clay has, you know, like three five. 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.640 You know, now you're stacking latex. It's almost twice as 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.799 thick as this for every piece. So it's to try 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.360 to you know, have a louder you can cut on 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.279 that call up better located, a little bit louder where 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:42.359 this is going to be more of your real intri kate, 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.360 you know, low volume bubble clucks, yelps. 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.040 But lighter is easier for beginners to learn. You don't 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:49.359 have to learn how to force as much air. 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.680 Yeah, and you know you can get into like different 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.000 styles of tricky callers, you know, like the old school 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:55.759 guys they call like a huff style where you're using 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.760 like a lot of diaphragm, a lot of air. Where 0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.839 like these new calls, it's like just real light air. 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.440 You're not having to just you know, get rid of 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.840 so much so much air. O can't rip on that 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:09.279 one a little bit. This No, no, not the woodpecker yet. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:21.480 I liked you did a woodpecker. The perf not real 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.560 good this morning, Clay, you're digging around. I know what 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:28.120 you got nowt Now he's got the casper, which will 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:29.280 be like our ultra light. 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:31.960 Like ghost cuts like. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:42.919 Kiki's Merlin's Merlin's perking right up on that one. 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:49.920 So it likes a little higher pitch call. Well, like 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:51.880 I said, it likes everything when you're outside. 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:53.759 Well, I remember the. 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:54.920 One time you were sitting on a tree and you 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.920 had like forty two birds going no, like like, I 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.239 think it's something weird happens when you're outside any like 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.400 any kind of turkey column, it will usually like picker, 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.239 start bringing it. Yeah, now let me see your let 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.399 me see your woodpecker. So this is our new guy 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.439 work with James Harrison again. But I want, I want 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.920 Clay tell them our woodpecker problem, the woodpecker debate. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:16.400 Which one man about I rebuild woodpeckers. 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.839 About my blue jay call and all that. 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:23.680 Oh just like just just like shot shot gobbling calls shot. 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:26.279 I'll tell you what me and Clay's debate is about 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:26.880 shot gobblin. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:28.440 I think that. 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.440 I think that a good shot gobble is something that 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.560 gets shot gobbles. Yeah, Clay thinks a good shot gobble 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.720 is something that sounds exactly like accurate, like a bird 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.000 an owl. Right, I don't care if it sounds like 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:49.960 I had, Like I like, hey, if you want shot gobbles. 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.080 I've said, so you'd be you. 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.719 Want if you want to about two different things. 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.759 Now, I'm moderate. If we're talking about turkey hunt we're 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:05.440 talking about turkey decoys, We're talking about turkey calls. Okay, right, 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.360 we're talking about turkey hunting, right right, So set in 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.160 the scene talking about turkey hunting. Okay, we're here to 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.520 talk about turkey hunting. Yes, been talking about turkey hunting. 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.239 Shot gobbles are elicited by in my view, shock op 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:26.040 gobbles are best elicited by like sudden, very sharp, disruptive sounds. 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.719 Correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, are you done? 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:37.000 He is not that turkey is not sitting there thinking God, 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.879 was that a real albel He's not, but he when 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.760 he gobbled, he gobbles, he gobbles quicker and he can think. 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:51.879 Yeah, I agree with you. The difference between what you're 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.239 doing and what I'm trying to do and what I 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:58.360 appreciate and realism and all levels of woodsmanship is the 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:03.720 difference between in casting and fly fishing. The difference because 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.440 when I go into the woods, it's it's it's like 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:10.840 it's like now, not necessarily me. I'm not the best 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.520 out hooter nor the best turkey caller. But you go 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:18.680 down with some of some of these guys from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas. 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.439 These guys that man, they out hoot with their mouth. 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.600 They sound like a turkey. I mean, you just fit 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.239 into nature. So it is really a stylistic thing. 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:26.600 Yeah. 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.640 Yeah, I could go out and do a spin casting. 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:29.320 Fly casting. 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:30.600 I mean it's the same thing like. 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.279 You think, you think a really good bad you think 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.080 there's you think a really good bass fisherman style, a 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.520 really good bass fisherman that can land that that can 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:40.000 land three eight times. 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.919 That was a great analogy. You see what I'm saying. 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.399 I mean it's like in the woods. I don't want 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.000 people to know, Wow, Steven Ell just slammed his. 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.040 Cardiff or has an air horn. 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:53.840 Ye, you're like, you just want to sound like I 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:54.960 was what I was resenting. 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.400 And I resent this more than your take on owl 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.759 hooting and all that. No, I appreciate it, good owl hoot. 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.240 I'm saying, I don't think it in terms of getting 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:03.760 a gobble. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:04.640 I don't think it does. 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:08.040 I take offense at your thing that you were going 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.280 to go down some path that like that that somehow 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.800 fly casting is somehow like more poetic or. 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.040 When when I'm in the woods, I want to I 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.360 want to be I don't want someone on the next ridge. 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.239 To go that dude just out and you think spin 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:27.920 fishing is louder. 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:32.720 I thought this was going to be the best analogy 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:33.279 ever done. 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:35.919 Would both of you go just what. 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:39.000 People say, like you're you're going to the river to fish. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.000 A spin caster is just trying to get the job done. 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:46.800 A fly fisherman is trying to do as are bobbing 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.960 their heads here. So I'm just saying, yeah, you can 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.320 get a turkey to gobble all different ways. I agree 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.279 with that, but there's some there's some art, there's some 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:59.279 new craft inside of you know, your crow call, your 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:00.640 alcohol play. 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:02.880 It took my croll call and wrote this is a 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:04.000 blue jay call on it? 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.000 Oh disrespect? 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:07.919 Yeah, well no, because it is. That's all Him'm trying 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.560 to replicate it. 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:11.000 See that would have helped me the first time I 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.279 heard him blow it, if I would have known he 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:13.920 was trying to do a blue jay. 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:15.080 Yeah. 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.479 We had this conversation multiple times just at the show, like, well, 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.600 what's the difference between the wood alt hooter and the 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.000 pro I said, well, the wood owt hooter actually sounds better. 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:26.279 It's cheaper, but for a hunting call, I want to 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:28.920 be able to crank that thing up, not sound quite 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:30.680 like an owl, but be able to reach the next 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.799 ridge over and get that response and still kind of 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:35.799 sound like, you know, the best alcohol we can build. 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.480 And so there's there's a lot of that, like just 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.640 being the best hunting call. But then like you know, 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.160 we had that conversation with Dave, like not willing to 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.640 cut any corners and just be the absolute best decoy 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:49.640 where on calls, especially you know, shock gobble calls in particular, 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:51.920 I'm willing to cut a few more corners where like, 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.680 you know, the new triple locator, it's twice as loud 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:56.560 as anything out there. Yeah, I could have made it 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:00.000 maybe a touch more accurate, but it's just dialed in. 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.640 It still sounds like the woodpecker. It still sounds like 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.600 an owl scream, but I designed it for more volumes, 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.720 so maybe we lost a little bit of that quality. 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.600 So that's fly fishing. But it's like you're on. 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying. 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:15.760 To cut it's still technically fly fishing. 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.399 So you're you're gonna you're gonna blow on a pilliated call? Yeah, 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:21.320 or what are our hunting piliated woodpecker? 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:21.520 Call? 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.960 Is very loud, you guys are Day's probably gonna really 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:25.319 hate it. 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.520 But uh but I don't know. 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.399 We had this in Kansas last year and it did 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.040 not pick up, and so I'm a little but there's 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:34.959 a lot of weirdness about what picks up and don't 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:38.680 pick up because what I found, like. 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.280 Like outside inside is a big difference. 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:42.400 We'll see. 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:51.239 Okay, Oh that sounds good though, man, pick up. 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:54.719 My favorite thing to do is like come down out 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:56.600 of my office. I think all the workers are just 0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:57.879 down there putting stuff together, and. 0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:59.040 Just hit them with a woodpecker call. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:05.680 Hit it again. That sounds good though, Oh yeah. 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:10.239 And then this, uh James Harrison, the out hooter, you know, 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:11.560 wins all the contests. 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:12.760 Matter of fact, you know our olhooter. 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:13.440 He just told me. 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.240 Out of the twenty nine people calling it the Grand 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.120 National Championship, twenty four of them, I think, O, what 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.120 ol hooter? Out of twenty nine, that's seriously yeah, like 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.160 legit phelps out hooter. 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:25.200 Yeah. 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.360 And then we got the al scream, which this is 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.359 his thing. Twenty four out of twenty nine guys are 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.360 using your ol hooter. According to James Harrison on the 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.560 stage at the NWTF convention, do. 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.120 You think it's fair that they could be using any 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.600 kind of call at all for I mean for a competition. 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:41.040 What do you mean fair? 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:44.640 Fair as in like, uh, I would think if you 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.600 were having an al hooting competition, you'd have to also 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.640 have a no just raw voice. 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:53.040 Well, that's a whole different competition, and they. 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:58.440 They've them more towards the calls they have. Man, Hey, 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:03.440 in Arkansas, Bentonville, Arkansas, March ninth, we're having a natural 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.080 voice out hooting contest at the Black Burbonanza. We are 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:11.520 making it into the world's premiere natural voice out hooting contest. 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.640 So so you're so they divide out natural voice. Yeah, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.719 that's all we do. Okay, hit me, hit me with one. 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:22.880 Clay Oh, I. 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:24.600 Could never do him on call. I had a guy 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.520 to show the other day come up to me and 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.680 was like, hey, Clay, give me an alhot. It was terrible. 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:30.600 I was embarrassed. 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:34.040 I was like, get here home, everybody be quiet, give 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:40.920 me another one. 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:50.520 So I didn't pick up. 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.120 No, it's not doing well. No, because I know you're 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.840 I know yours pick up and what was killing Clay 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:59.280 or what was killing Seth Morris is we are calling? Uh, 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:00.600 we were calling owls. 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:01.120 You were there. 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.439 Seth was there and he could just get the owl 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.560 to come in, get the owl to answer, but the 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:08.359 app wouldn't pick it up, and he had to keep 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.640 messing and messing and messing, and he had to change 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.920 his call so the app would pick up, and it 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:17.719 wound up being in the in the gurgle at the end. Oh, 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.040 he had to manipulate his own girl. He had to 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:22.399 like customize it to try to get picked off by 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.360 the app. But outside yours picks off. But I don't know. 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:36.719 Yeah, do that one again. 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:38.200 I want to hear that again. That sounds good. 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:39.880 Doctor Woodpecker, do the il scream. 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:41.920 Let me hear the I want to hear the woodpecker. Get. 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:42.520 I want to to pill. 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.239 I'll scream. Will just be like a pitch break. You've 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.040 all heard the owl scream like early in the morning. 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:47.960 Now here's why I think before you do this, I 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.680 think that like sure sounded like a bird. 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:51.160 That's great. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.279 That's what I'm talking about. Forgetting gob It's like it's 0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:58.960 like it's so all of a sudden, and it's so 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.880 you can't ignore it, yep, because the thing is, how 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:04.080 many times in most places, if you're sitting there waiting 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.200 for you to light out, first thing you're gonna hear 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:07.760 in a lot of airs, you're gonna hear a northern 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.440 cardinal and he's gonna be the first thing in the morning. 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:16.840 And then you're gonna hear crows, right, they're just gonna 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.320 be like if you're paying attention, there's always a carverywhere 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.200 going off, and I just think it loses its. 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.640 Yeah, where that's where the woodpecker, Like you do the 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.200 pretty and like when you're out hunting, you can literally 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:29.760 hit the first one and be done and get the 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:31.880 same response like he's already gobbling from that one. 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:32.200 You know. 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:34.720 But back to Clay's point, I want to be somewhat 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.080 accurate and like finish out sounded like a woodpecker, so 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:38.520 you finish Hey, could. 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:39.000 It not be? 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.760 I think there's an argument to be made that realism 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:46.200 might make a difference, because like, if you're hunting a 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.960 super smart, wary bird that's had four years of hunting pressure, 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:54.160 and you walk up there with an air horn and 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:57.520 and he's heard he's not coming, the truck pull up 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.320 and maybe he gobbles at it, but he's and I mean, 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:02.840 I don't he doesn't have the brain power to think, oh, 0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:06.840 that's Steve Arnell over there, but he's just like maybe 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:07.200 you know. 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:09.360 That's the thing I do wonder about. Is I wonder 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.200 about the difference because we're talking. That's two things. That's 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:15.919 eliciting a gobble okay, And then there's is he gonna 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:17.800 come over like does he just did he just add 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:20.040 something to his knowledge base where it's like that wasn't 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:23.320 the real I gobbled? But yeah, I used to get 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:28.200 mega gobbles off of a rabbit distress call. I mean 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:32.040 mega like way off gobbles. But then I'm thinking, Okay, 0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:35.320 he gobbled, But is he really gonna come mosying over 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.760 here later? Like you know, look, habits die, Yeah, well 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.400 you do like a rabbit, I would just go right 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.360 and you get gobbles. But is he is he then 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.840 put in his head like that to me, is not 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:49.960 an area I'm going to go to. I think over 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:53.640 yonder where the rabbits die. Yet Yeah, that's no mount 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:56.520 of hand calling, no mount of hand calling from that area. 0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:58.680 It's going to feel right to me because I just 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.360 log that as like I gobble to it, but you're 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:03.520 not could talk me to go in there? 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.480 Yeah, the same reason like Eastern Washington, Kyle Howell's work 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.120 great for locating, especially later in the day. But you're like, 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:10.600 if you want to try to call that burden, like 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.200 in my mind at least the picture in painting, like, 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.360 why is this burd gonna come home all the time? 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:14.600 Man? 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:14.959 Yeah? 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:16.720 The only thing I would add is like I do 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.280 agree that there's something to be said for a short 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:21.760 call to get a shot gobble, because then you can 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.320 hear them gobble, you know, which is like if you 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:26.560 do a long drawn out call, it's like, hey, well, 0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:28.200 I mean maybe you guys don't have a problem I 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:30.720 do with my hearing, like I gotta stop quickly. It's 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.360 I can hear him. But also then you know where 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:35.439 he's at, you could go, you could go to him. 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:37.560 And then I also agree one hundred percent with what 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.160 you're saying about how they kind of can't help themselves. 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:43.800 Like if you watch you know, three Tom's gobble, and 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.520 it appears that they're gobbling at exactly the same time, 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:50.800 but if you watch carefully, it's always one of them gobbled. First, 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:53.000 you know, there's two ors just a split second behind, 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:56.040 and that is just sort of an involuntary response, and 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:57.480 that can be the same thing I think with the 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:58.440 shot gobble. 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:01.680 Okay, hit the so oh I want to I want 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.120 to add on that. The thing that causes tension between 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:08.360 me and my turkey hunting friends is it they think 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:11.080 that I start walking too quickly after making my shot 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:17.640 gobble noise, Joannie gets irritated. I don't give it enough beats. 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.760 But I'm like, he would have already gobbled. Yeah, I'm 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.040 on team Renela on this one. 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:22.640 Like shot you don't need to stay in there for 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:23.440 a minute. 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:26.800 Even five ten seconds, Like that's too much. If he gobbles, 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.120 it's on his own. I'll do it, I'll go I'll 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:30.920 be like on. 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:36.000 Yeah, I'm walking on set, man, That's why I walked 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.880 till twenty I'm like, dude, you might hear a gobble, 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:40.960 but it's not never related. 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:41.160 Dear. 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:43.760 Yeah, you're just regular listening. You're not listening. 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:46.360 Man. 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:51.200 The best turkey hunters that I've ever hunted with do 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:57.120 very little early morning shot goblin. I mean I think 1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:58.160 there's a there's more. 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:00.560 Depends so much on the air area, man. 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:05.440 Yeah, yeah, just just the patients that I see in 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:07.439 some of these guys that I mean, they're not well 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:11.160 known people, just like really good turkey hunters. Man, they 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.680 let that turkey gobble on his own most of the time. 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:15.840 And I mean they carry a shot gobble or can 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:18.880 owl or crow with their mouth and and use that. 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:23.240 But I would say the number one way to identify 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.280 a beginner or novice turkey hunter is how much they're 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.840 shot using shot gobble. 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:32.840 It's too dependent. Sure, if you're in a high density 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:35.480 area whatever. If you're like out in the never ending 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:43.080 Ponderosa pine grassland stuff right and you and it's cute, 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:45.680 you're gonna go miles between anything. 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:48.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think we're talking about too. 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:50.560 It's just kind of hunt. 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:53.040 Yeah, You're like, you're like somewhere out in this ten 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:56.040 square miles there might be a gobbler. And if I'm 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:57.840 gonna find a bird over the next two days, I'm 1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:59.880 gonna have to hunt very aggressively and try to get 1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:03.960 a because any mine is sitting here listening is like 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:07.320 I'm gonna have to find a bird. Yeah. It's just different. 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:07.680 Yeah. 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:07.960 Yeah. 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.880 More of what I'm talking about is back East hunting. 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:14.720 Hunting a bird that you maybe you know, the smaller ground, 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.840 you might be spending your whole morning in a you know, 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:20.720 a square mile or less or you know, maybe one 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.120 hundred and sixty acres. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.200 play the patient game, all. 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:28.560 Right, go on, So I'm gonna try the James Harrison 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:30.240 is a pro with this thing, but we developed it 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:31.400 as an oul screamer as well. 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:37.120 Oh that gets them. 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:39.360 I mean just once again, just big loud bursts. Like 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:41.200 I said, I probably just did that call. No justice, 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.360 that's his side. I was more I want a woodpecker call. 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.880 But now that right there is for getting gobbles, just 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:49.000 high pitched. What you do with them, what you call 1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:54.840 that the spincaster, no what like that gets a gobble. 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:56.560 What you do with them afterward is up to you. 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.720 But that's gonna get a gobbyl Yeah, And that's that's 1:02:58.720 --> 1:02:59.919 why I in this call. Like I said, we could 1:02:59.920 --> 1:03:01.920 have way more or maybe not on the ile screamers. 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:02.840 I had been on the woodpecker. 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:04.840 You know, I had more accurate sounds, but then we 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.280 kept adding more volume, made it loud because like I say, 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.080 I'm I'm a hunter at heart. I just want these 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:10.840 things to answer, so I can start the game and 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:14.840 then go from there. There's two contests. There's two tournaments. 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:18.200 I'm trying to figure out how to conduct. I want 1:03:18.240 --> 1:03:21.640 to have a world I want to have a glassing invitational. 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.480 I love that where you have set out, not set. 1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.800 Out, Okay, I want it to be real. So I 1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:31.960 want to have a glassing invitational where you go to 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:37.360 a good area and there's judges and to score a point, 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:43.320 you so to find an original find, you put a scope. 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.080 You put a spotting scope on it, and the judge comes, looks, 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:51.080 verifies to find and that's like one hundred points now 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:54.360 one betted next to it or whatever those are fifties 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:59.320 or twenty fives. Once you make a find, the judge 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:05.320 sort of like declares that that find area closed or 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:09.080 everyone's operating out of a little structure like a little. 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.120 Beach tent, so they have the opportunity to find it. 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:15.040 So you don't know, so all the competitors can't tell 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.520 where someone's looking. So figure that out, and like you 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:21.160 get a point, and you set up at daybreak and 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.160 you have till eleven, and it's like the World Glassing Championship, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.800 like it I love it to be a great compound competition. 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:32.800 The other exciting to watch. No, I would love it. 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:33.320 I would love it. 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:35.400 I could be like a golf commentator. 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:38.760 I thought about it, hide little things out, but I 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:41.520 don't think it should be like that, because stuff pops. 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:44.280 If everybody was looking at the same landscape, it would 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:44.720 be fair. 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:46.400 No, but you want to be an area, and I 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:48.480 know I know right where I would hold it. I 1:04:48.480 --> 1:04:51.320 know right the hill, I know the mount, the peak 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:52.920 I would go to to conduct it. 1:04:53.960 --> 1:04:57.840 Dude, listen, I'll be one of the commentators. I will 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:00.400 on the live stream and then we'll have have like 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:03.560 roped off with people along the sides, like a golf tournament, 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:06.600 and every time somebody does a find will and I'll 1:05:06.640 --> 1:05:08.600 be like, oh, that was a beautiful fine. 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:13.400 By the other, my other tournament is the World Shot 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:16.320 Gobbling Invitational. And I don't know how to conduct it. 1:05:17.880 --> 1:05:23.680 Hmmm. Yeah, you'd have like categories like just a listening 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:28.560 freestyle unlimited freestyle. It's freestyle unlimited listening gobbles. I don't 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:29.760 know how to make it equal though. 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:30.840 Another nail bitter. 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:37.640 Yeah, yeah, who can elicit the most? It have to 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:42.240 be like days long to rule out to rule out 1:05:43.000 --> 1:05:45.840 incidentals or not not to rule incidentals, to rule out 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:50.280 the freaks. It had to be ten days, you know, 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:52.240 big commitment to be like, oh, he just got the 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:54.919 good spot that morning. But over time you're gonna see 1:05:55.520 --> 1:05:58.320 you're Over time, you're gonna see a champion emerged, a trend, 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.880 someone that just can listen gobbles, and it's probably going 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:03.760 to be, unfortunately, a dude with an airhorn. 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:08.360 It's going to put to rist all of our theories. 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.160 If you can figure out how to give away a 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:14.320 truck at both of those you, I am. 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:17.440 Going to do the glassing the glassing invitational. I'm serious about. 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:21.640 I think you could pull off a glassing invitational for sure. Oh, Dave, 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:23.520 you know another thing I wanted to ask about. Just 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.960 change the subject a little bit. You guys are you 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:31.000 guys decoys are? Tell me about American made decoys. 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:35.480 All our Treky decoys are made in America, always have been. 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:41.960 And uh, it's difficult, and it's expensive, and. 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:46.880 But the quality is really good. They're super durable. 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:51.040 And we love our crew and they're good, they're good people, 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:54.160 and that's just how we decided to do it. 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.040 And and but you could, there would have been an 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:58.080 easier way to do it. Like, it's not like out 1:06:58.080 --> 1:06:58.880 of necessity. 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:03.600 Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean like we're I mean, 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:07.840 we're I'm almost the only USA MA Turkey decoy. 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:12.520 There might be a few Q the national anthem phill, but. 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.800 Most decoys are pain are what overseas. 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:21.240 They're blow molded, you know, polyathlene made in China, and 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:23.480 you know there's nothing wrong with that. It makes the 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:27.480 lightweight and and inexpensive and all that stuff. 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:30.120 But can you pull that mic a little bit closer? 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:30.360 Dave? 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:33.240 Sorry, Mike, microphone close. I'm sorry, You're good, Thank you? 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:35.160 Oh Dave? How much you've been here? And have you 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:36.560 been hearing most of everything today? 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:40.560 Much better without the without the headphones? He that no, No, 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:41.040 I did. 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:43.320 A dog. 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:50.480 Yeah, but yeah, it is. We're able to make like 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.680 a really really super durable decoy, which is kind of nice. 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.600 I mean, like, we have one video of Brad shooting 1:07:56.640 --> 1:07:58.880 a decoy and it's on purpose, It wasn't an accident 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:01.400 or anything. He's shut out of decoy with heavy shot 1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:05.880 from ten yards away and goes and picks up the 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:08.240 decoy and you absolutely cannot find a mark on it 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:10.120 anywhere and you pick it up. He picks it up 1:08:10.120 --> 1:08:12.320 and shakes it and it's just absolutely full of shot. 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:16.960 But it's and I've shot several well, not several, I 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:21.639 guess twice. I've shot through Tom's and had the arrow 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:25.800 go into the decoy kind of you know the arrow, Yeah, 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:29.200 and then pull the arrow, pull the arrow out, and 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:32.880 and you can't really see where the arrow was. 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:39.800 It's like that Arnold Schwarzenegger had to fight in uh yeah, 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:42.599 that silver guy. 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.479 Yeah yeah, yeah, terminator, Yeah, you heard him. 1:08:45.560 --> 1:08:46.719 It just goes back to normal. 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:53.560 Yeah. Yeah, it's not quite like that, but almost the same. Yeah. 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:56.680 But when you started out, you know, why does it 1:08:56.760 --> 1:09:01.519 wind up being overseason and why not? I mean people 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:04.120 launch them overseas, like if you if you started when 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.200 you start out, you're just making a few of them, right, 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:09.280 So obviously when you were making a few of them yourself, 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.880 you like you didn't even think about whether you'd make 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:14.000 them overseas or make them in America because you're just 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:18.040 making a handful. Yeah, and there's some point at which 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:20.200 it would just you'd have to decide that it would 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:25.800 now make sense to have a manufactured elsewhere or not. Right, Yeah. 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:30.360 I mean so far, we haven't had any major, major 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:35.680 plans to make any Turkey decoys overseas, but it might 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:38.519 be something that we'd offer, like especially if we could. 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:42.000 You know, we just want to offer as many different 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:46.920 options as possible for people, so you know, you can 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:50.400 make it lighter weight and less expensive. So and the 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:54.360 thing is is, like like our half strut Jake, we 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.559 had a guy that just loved that decoy and thought 1:09:56.560 --> 1:09:58.120 it was the greatest thing ever. And he kind of 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:03.640 told us that he he made this offer to us 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:06.760 where he would promote it and but he would need 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:09.160 like this huge percentage of all the sales, and we 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:11.559 kind of told him to take a hike. And next thing, 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:14.599 you know, he took it straight to China and did 1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:18.280 a really really hard campaign, like got to the point 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:24.120 where he had most people convinced that we uh copied him. 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:25.960 It took us. 1:10:25.840 --> 1:10:31.160 Three years of literally like one by one content contacting 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:34.759 people that were just you know, promoting his decoy like crazy, 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:41.240 of telling him the truth and setting them straight, and 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:45.360 took us three years to recover from from that. And 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.960 they eventually he eventually went out of business and all 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:55.040 that stuff because people are basically good and our customers 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:58.960 are are unbelievably great to us and they stood by 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:01.640 us and you know, learn the truth and everything like that. 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:02.960 So we we deal with that. 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:05.880 And there's we have other decoys where you know, these 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:08.479 companies that we've known of for a long long time 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:10.080 and all of a sudden they have a Turkey decoy 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:13.360 and it's just like, it looks so much like our decoy. 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:17.320 It's just ridiculous and that that happens and it's kind 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.439 of flattering, but it's kind of annoying too and stuff 1:11:19.479 --> 1:11:19.720 like that. 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:21.040 But and those are. 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:25.320 All made overseas, so that's a little bit difficult because 1:11:25.360 --> 1:11:27.840 now all of a sudden they're able to charge a 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:30.600 lot less for it. And the thing is, it's like 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:34.479 because we make decoys uh in America and have made 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.640 goose decoys in America, so we have to we do 1:11:36.720 --> 1:11:39.639 have to charge a lot because the materials are very 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:43.920 very expensive, like that material that's so durable is super 1:11:43.960 --> 1:11:48.640 super expensive, and so we do have to charge a 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:52.880 lot unfortunately for our for our decoys. So then the 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:59.200 competitors they've really benefited from that because now they they'll 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:02.599 make it a Dey and China and they'll be like, well, 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:06.080 you know, DSD is charging you know, you know, two 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:10.120 hundred dollars for a Turkey decoy, so we could probably 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:14.040 charge one eighty or something like it, whereas our costs 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:15.479 are dramatically different. 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.400 But you guys don't like, you don't package and tell, 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:21.160 you don't like overtell that it's all designed and made 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:26.639 in America. I mean, you're sure, says DSD decoy's USA, 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:29.000 but I could be they're based in the USA. 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:32.760 Yeah, we probably should push that a little harder. 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.120 Especially especially if people are trying to bone you over. 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:38.479 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:45.160 Yeah, I mean point taking, Yeah, we probably should. 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:48.000 My idea for the tail fan was American flag. 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:55.560 Yeah yeah, Paul with with with f HF you guys, uh, 1:12:56.640 --> 1:12:58.559 you guys got you guys fight it all the time 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:00.000 on made in America. 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:01.000 We do. 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.160 And we're sort of in the same boat with Day 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:07.040 where we started out. I started out making this in 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.160 a spare bedroom, so certainly wasn't going to have anything 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:14.240 made overseas. I was doing custom work and really kind 1:13:14.240 --> 1:13:18.479 of started in the tactical world where that was much 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:22.240 more of a thing like hunting versus tactical. The customers 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:26.960 typically want to see a US made product, I think 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.400 in the tactical space. In the tactical space for. 1:13:29.360 --> 1:13:32.080 Sure, because you're dealing with people who are like, like 1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:35.599 by definition like patriot, patriotic. 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:39.240 Yeah, patriots and preppers and just tactical guys former military, 1:13:39.320 --> 1:13:43.120 current military that kind of stuff, law enforcement, and then 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:48.120 moving into the hunting market. I think it's come to 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.400 a point now where there is a significant amount of 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:52.639 the customers that do want to see a US made product, 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:54.720 But there's also a lot and we deal with it 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:57.639 all the time where people are like, well, I can 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:01.040 buy buy it for twenty dollars on Amazon, you know, 1:14:01.120 --> 1:14:05.639 something that's close or a direct copy like Dave talks about, 1:14:05.800 --> 1:14:09.519 And you know, it just depends on the customer really 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:13.040 and what they put as important to them. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:15.479 But the part I don't get about it is when 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:19.920 you talk about the cost thing, how you're talking about 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:24.760 shipping it halfway around the world, Like, how does that 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:27.599 you'd think that if you took a person from outer space, 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:30.640 like you take a guy comes from Mars and you're like, hey, 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:32.000 I want to ask you question, what do you think 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:36.439 costs more me to sell a thing here in Montana? Okay, 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.639 it was made in America, Or would it cost more 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:43.759 if I had it made on another continent halfway around 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.960 the world and then scent it over here. That person 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:49.080 would say, oh, it'd be a lot cheaper to make 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.040 it here. Why would you mail it all the way 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:52.200 across the world. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:54.880 Well, I think that it probably used to be. The 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.760 biggest thing is the labor costs overseas. You can just 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:00.679 you know, people, I don't know what they're our wages 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:04.479 in China or Bangladesh, but it's certainly not as much. 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:05.840 As a dollar or two. 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:08.639 The people that are making stuff here in the US, 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.320 and all of our stuff is made here, and so 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:13.559 you know, the factories we use are paying their people 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:15.720 well and treating their people well, and they have you know, 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:20.960 their middle class jobs, and many of those have disappeared 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:21.639 over the years. 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:23.000 Where you know, it used to be. 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:29.040 The textile market, you know, mills, sewing, everything was done here. 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.479 And this was brought in, you know, as far back 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:34.559 as right after the Revolutionary War for reasons for like 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:40.920 national security and just independence to have all of that 1:15:40.960 --> 1:15:43.680 stuff done here locally, just like weapons manufacturing, All of 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:47.400 that stuff was brought here. But you know, starting in 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:49.600 the eighties, I just disappeared out of the country. So 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:53.559 it's really hard to find factories in the US that 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:55.599 can do a good job of it at scale, at 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:58.839 the scale we need especially. I mean many of these places, 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:00.599 you know, they will take in order, but they want 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:04.400 you order half a million of something in order to 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:08.760 make it worth their time, whereas you know, we're just 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:13.519 not at that scale, and the costs are significantly higher, 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:18.360 and it just makes it very hard, you know, both 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:21.000 the materials as well as that the labor to actually 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:25.160 put something together. You know, we do our best, again 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:29.920 sort of coming from that tactical world in the even 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:35.480 the Bay Amendment compliance stuff, which is a defense requirement 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.920 for buying military gear, you know, made in the US, 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:42.439 many of the materials have to be made here, and 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:45.000 so we do our best to source those materials here. 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:48.519 Being that they're sourced here, they don't have to go 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:51.839 overseas to be put in place. But we do struggle 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:57.439 sometimes define the best materials in the US, because I 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:58.120 don't know whether we. 1:16:58.120 --> 1:16:59.760 Say the best materials in the US, you mean the 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:01.040 best materials produced in. 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.439 The US, correct, And there are some things that just 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:09.479 aren't made here anymore. Certain things, or if they are 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:11.640 made here, they may not be as good because that 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.960 technology has been exported over the last thirty years and 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:17.200 there just isn't a way to get it made here. 1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:24.679 A stupid example is our zipper poles. Like I almost 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:30.040 bought a machine to make our little molded zipper poles 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:35.479 on a cord, because there's maybe one of your listeners knows, 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:38.679 but I cannot find a place anywhere in the US 1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:41.800 to have those made. The only closest thing I found 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:43.599 was a machine that I would have had to order 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:47.040 from China and get here to make those one at 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:49.080 a time. And they just mold a zipper pool. 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:50.639 What party talking about just. 1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:51.640 The poles on. 1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:54.040 I mean that's why I use bump the cord and 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:56.840 the knotted cord on all the zippers because I mean 1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:00.000 on our little pouches, we do a little plastic zipper pool. 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:03.519 Yeah, And you mean there's no one in America making 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.160 that or that you. 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:06.400 Found, not that I've found. 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:08.200 I mean you can find a piece of cord with 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.840 some shrink tube on it, but you know, like a 1:18:10.920 --> 1:18:13.080 molded nice you know, something you can put a logo 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:15.519 in and you know, make it look nice. There just isn't. 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:19.160 That's just one example. But there are fabrics that we use, 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:22.880 and we use a few of them that are made overseas, 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:26.280 but many of those are done that way because, you know, 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:30.120 to be honest, many of the best, like bag manufacturers, 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:33.840 are in Vietnam because that's where all the technology is, 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:37.200 it's where all the talent is over there. It is 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:41.400 a considered a good job. It's a professional job to 1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:43.400 have that job, and these people work in the industry 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:46.600 for a long time and get good at it. In 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:48.920 the US, it's very hard to find the labor to 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:52.360 do that, and so, you know, to be honest, you know, 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:55.439 many of the factories end up hiring folks who have 1:18:55.560 --> 1:19:00.400 immigrated to this country or brought that expertise with them, yeah, 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:03.160 or you know, have had family members that work, you know, 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:05.479 have worked in that industry for years and kind of 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:06.120 come up with it. 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:08.479 But those are fewer and fewer and fewer, it seems like. 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:13.439 So it's just a it's a weird self perpetuating problem 1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:18.880 trying to find find both the materials as well as 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:21.400 the labor and the talent to get that done in 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:22.800 the States. And it's expensive. 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:26.559 So if if everything, if everything of f HF gear 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.120 is made in the USA. Does that Does that mean 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.040 that you can't buy but you can still buy a 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:34.840 material made somewhere else or is that not true? Yeah? 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:36.840 I mean technically. 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:39.880 For us to say made in the USA, you know, 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.280 virtually all of it has to be here, and we 1:19:42.320 --> 1:19:45.720 do our best to source everything locally, you know, domestically, 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:48.080 like I said, like zipper poles. 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:48.960 You know, there's. 1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:52.519 Please reach out if you know somebody who will make those, 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:55.400 but you know, for the most part we do our best. 1:19:56.760 --> 1:19:59.080 And then you know, there's the difference would be like 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:01.920 assembled in the say, where you might have you know, 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:06.080 components like say the shoulder harness and the pouch made 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:08.320 in two different countries and brought here and put together, 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:12.680 and that would be assembled in the US. Or if 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:18.320 you bought everything, all of your materials from overseas sources 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:21.160 and brought those here and sewed them together, that might 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:25.240 be assembled in the US. The other option would be 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.720 in it. We've struggled even with production companies. We had 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.959 one for a while that went out of business. Thankfully, 1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:37.200 unbeknownst to us, they were sending stuff to Mexico. 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:40.120 We were on the slide. 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:42.880 Yeah, we were making and paying for them to make 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:46.639 it in the US. And this was one product years 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:48.400 and years ago when I was still in my basement, 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.400 but they were the last one that came out of 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:53.000 the box. I found a little tag on it that 1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:57.040 I think they used to get through customs that said 1:20:57.080 --> 1:20:59.880 made in Mexico. And I'm like really, and I'm like, 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:02.880 you dirty rats, because they gave me a price for 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:10.200 USA made or NAFTA compliant or you know, Asia pricing, 1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:13.760 and I paid for the US made stuff. And they 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.280 figured out this little guy in his basement can probably 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:19.559 wouldn't know the difference, and he'll pay us a little 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:21.080 more if we get it made somewhere. 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:22.759 And they went out of business. 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:23.719 Yeah, they went out of business. 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:27.519 If when you look at the at that the doppel 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:29.680 bag you're working on, it has the I know, you 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.400 mess around with a bunch of different fabrics, yep. And 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:35.160 and uh, you'd give me bags and I'd bring them 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:37.240 back to you after you're broken. Well, I'd be like, 1:21:37.280 --> 1:21:40.040 you know, the bag baggage handler or brade and whatever 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:43.000 this stuff happens to him mostly that yep. I mean, 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:44.760 anything you ever gave me would wound up being that 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:45.559 the guy, it looks. 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:48.240 Like it got stuck stuck in the conveyor We got 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:49.599 jammed in the conveyor belt. 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:53.520 And then you uh settled on that sale cloth. Where's 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:54.080 that made? 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:57.280 That is made overseas. That specific fabric is made overseas. 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:00.240 Part of the reason I chose that is because of 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:06.800 the color availability. Availability of the fabric again becomes a challenge. 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:09.519 And that bag is actually a mix of US fabrics 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.880 and the sailcloth, but it's one hundred percent recycled, and 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:15.960 it's done in a facility over there that I mean, 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:19.639 as you guys probably where almost all recycling is done overseas. 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:22.639 Half the stuff you throw in your recycle bin either 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:24.439 ends up with the landfill or on a boat to 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:25.800 go get recycled. 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:30.240 O kinceled. Like the recycling chain is like an overseas chain. 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.000 That's a whole other. Yeah, get down the YouTube and 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:35.240 go down that rabbit hole. 1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:38.160 But where it's actually happening. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:39.719 Yeah, most of it is done overseas. 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:45.120 And so this specific factory is recycling, and this this fabric, 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:49.599 it's a polyester you know, using recycled bottles and whatnot, 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:54.360 is one hundred percent recycled. The film is recycled as 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:58.480 well as the adhesive is a non solvent based adhesive 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:03.040 that actually works better with UV resistance and it's actually 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:06.400 more waterproof. So in this case, I think for this application, 1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:11.200 it was just a better fabric to use. But yeah, 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:14.320 that one ends up being overseas, although the base of 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:16.639 it is a US base. 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:18.960 Bottles it is. 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:23.000 Yeah, how do you buy the stuff? It's like like 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:26.280 rolls of it is, so we do. We have a 1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:32.720 little different procedure than most whereas I do all the 1:23:33.280 --> 1:23:35.760 design and development stuff here in house in Bozeman, so 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:38.200 I'm able to kind of reach out to these manufacturers 1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:43.439 and get small parts and pieces. When I first started, 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.680 I mean I was buying stuff on eBay and just 1:23:45.800 --> 1:23:47.479 random stuff who knows where it was coming from. 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:48.480 Trying to buy materials. 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:51.160 Yeah, because most of these big companies, especially in the US, 1:23:51.200 --> 1:23:53.719 they have such high minimums that it kind of prevents 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:57.720 the the little guy from ordering. You know, I even 1:23:57.800 --> 1:23:59.600 here in Bozeman, I wouldn't want to order, you know, 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:01.840 roll and rolls of fabric. You know, I need five 1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:03.560 to ten yards of it and it'll last me a 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.280 few months to just build some samples to get to 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:09.559 you know, you and I and Jason to test out 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:13.000 and see if it's going to work. But then once 1:24:13.040 --> 1:24:16.120 we kind of settle on that material from these producers, 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:19.800 then we send it to our production facility who takes 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.800 the specs that we give them and uh, you know 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:25.439 people that we can our sources are spelled out to 1:24:25.560 --> 1:24:28.640 them and then they do the bulk ordering and. 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:41.559 Put everything and the solers. What are the main states 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:43.320 or stuff gets sold that's made in America. 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:51.040 I'd say the biggest location is southern California. We don't 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:54.760 use anybody there anymore, we have, but you know, right 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:58.400 around LA, the San Diego area seems super busy. All 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:02.880 along the eastern seaboard there probably South Carolina, you know, 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:06.400 up in New England. And then we have facilities as 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:09.800 well that we use, like in Minnesota as well as 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:14.880 uh Indiana kind of that Midwest state. But really I 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:18.200 mean that you see it like locally and Bozeman, it's 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:20.840 very hard to find people to work those jobs, be 1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:24.400 able to pay them a wage that allows them to 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:28.559 stay here. You know, even Mystery ranch is here, SIMS 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:28.960 is here. 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:32.880 You know, they they've started to move a lot of 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:37.679 that bulk production outside the area. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:39.560 And I don't know about SIMS specifically, but you know 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:42.799 mystery ranch is bulk production is all over the country, 1:25:42.960 --> 1:25:46.880 or you know, they're certainly their military line is all 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:50.679 US made, but their hunting line is made in Vietnam, 1:25:50.720 --> 1:25:55.080 which as I said, as I said before, the they 1:25:55.200 --> 1:26:03.120 have probably the most talented best as an aggregate sewers 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:07.640 in the world. And it's just because that equipment and 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:12.360 talent pool is there, and so I think it can 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:14.680 start coming back to the US. But you know, it 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:20.200 has to be done by companies like US using those facilities, 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:22.200 because if we you know, there aren't companies like US 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:25.200 using the facilities in the US, they're eventually gonna go 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:27.599 out a business and go overseas as well. 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:30.280 If you had to put a just like a fine 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:32.640 point on it, or I guess it's more like a 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:35.200 rough point on it. Making it in America, it's like 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:38.320 sewing goods, like making making a backpack, binal harness whatever 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:41.120 in America makes it cost what percent higher? 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:47.639 I don't know the answer because I've never actually quoted 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.760 anything in the US, or I'm sorry, in China, or. 1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:52.599 You never out of curiosity just asked them. 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:55.599 I haven't, but I get emails constantly from companies over 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:59.400 there that will send me pictures of my harness as 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:02.680 well as editor harnesses that say, hey, we make these, 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:05.360 we could make yours for you and it will be 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:08.760 you know, pennies on the dollar. And if you look 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:12.200 at Amazon, I mean you can see, you know, search 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:15.080 biny harnesses on Amazon and you'll come up with many 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.400 that look very similar. Once you get them in your hand, 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:21.479 you'll realize there's a quality difference. But there's copies of 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:27.320 all the major brands. For you know, our harness is 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:29.439 one of the most expensive harnesses on the market, and 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:32.160 I think it's because it's the best and it takes 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:36.000 a long time to make. You know, ours retails at 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:40.439 one eighty five and you can find a pouch that 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:43.000 you can wear on your chest for you know, eighteen 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:47.880 dollars that's made overseas. And you know, even some of 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:54.439 the retailers, even some of the big optics companies, you know, 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:58.080 provide a free harness with their with their optics that 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:00.800 you know they're they're getting the job done. 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:04.040 You can hold it, it'll hold it on your store 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:04.240 on it. 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:07.280 It's a difference between spin fishing. 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:08.000 And it is. 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:14.680 You guys make like pelves game calls you had, you 1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:17.559 traditionally started out like just founder base. You started off 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:20.120 by hat you just like buy necessity made him here. Yep, yeap, 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:21.720 it made him. And then I mean we went through 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:22.720 that evolution. We are. 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:26.360 We are sourced both domestically and overseas, and we've tried 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:28.519 to move as much back you know, like the Easy Sucker. 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:31.080 We moved back into the States, and we're leveraging like 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:32.000 a very big partner. 1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:32.960 We've given a lot of work. 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:37.479 But USA Manufacturing, Like as much as I would love 1:28:37.560 --> 1:28:41.760 to move everything here there, to be honest, they're a 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:43.840 bigger pain in the ass to work with, just like 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:45.840 Paul alluded to, they don't you know, I feel like 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:47.720 we're crushing it in the game call world, right, but 1:28:48.800 --> 1:28:51.240 ten thousand piece order of this plastic part, they don't 1:28:51.240 --> 1:28:52.000 want anything to do with that. 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:54.479 They want you to order one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand. 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:56.519 We just don't have that buying capacity or the need 1:28:56.680 --> 1:28:58.760 for it, and so you just kind of get thrown 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:00.519 through the ring or your prices come back high. And 1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:03.040 then I'm left with like a business decision, like do 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:04.720 you want to sell a woodpicker call for seventy and 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.200 ninety nine or do you want to sell it for 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.200 thirty two ninety nine where it should be, you know, 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.160 And so a lot of times we do our best. 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.439 Like our new unleashed V two tube, as far as 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:15.840 I know, it's maybe one of the only blow molded 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:18.160 like tubes inside the USA, but due to the Federal 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:20.960 Trade Commission rules, because I put a k neoprene sleeve 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:23.640 on it that comes from overseas and it's it's an 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:26.760 essential part in the definition of it, all of a sudden. 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:29.240 It can't be you know, made and ada, you know. 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:32.040 So you got to like balance all these like FTC 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:36.120 rules and like make sure you're following the rules, you know. 1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:38.880 But we try, we we we make an honest approach. 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:41.920 I do get a quote on everything we build USA 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:45.360 and you know, offshore, and there are times where we 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:46.800 just have to pick and choose. 1:29:47.000 --> 1:29:48.559 And like I said, I'm. 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:49.960 Proud and I try to keep everything here. 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:53.439 But there's just business decisions where unless you're willing to 1:29:53.560 --> 1:29:57.080 try and sell something for ten times all of your competition, 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.559 you're just going to be stuck going that way. Yeah, 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:02.720 but you know, all of our Turkey calls. All of 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:05.400 our wood tricky calls made in the USA, with the 1:30:05.520 --> 1:30:07.720 majority of our woods USA source. You know, I don't 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:10.280 want to be, you know, accused of cutting down the 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:12.360 South American rainforw it, you know, so we try to 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:15.320 tack and back Jason not on necessarily, He's talked about 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:15.960 a lot of the woods. 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:18.839 He's like, oh, it's a nice wood, but man, it's yeah. 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:20.320 You don't want you don't want that, you know, So 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:22.840 we avoid that. We try to bill as much as 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:25.160 we can. You know, we started that acrylic deer call line. 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:27.080 You know, we source a lot of made in the USA, 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:29.639 a crilic. We do source some acrylic from off shore, 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.320 but it's just it's depending on colors and time. So 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.719 we're we're doing the best we can and making an honest, 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:39.120 uh truly honest approach at keeping everything we can have 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:41.840 made here and when dollars and cents, I'm willing to 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:44.000 spend a little bit more for USA made because, as 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:47.440 you mentioned, the logistics of putting on a boat, timelines, 1:30:47.880 --> 1:30:51.519 you know, language barriers, stuff that I sometimes struggle with. 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:53.960 I'm willing to pay you know, up to two hundred 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:56.080 three hundred percent more if I can justify it for parts, 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:59.160 but it's not always the option. But yeah, we we 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:01.920 fight it on every single new project where we're going 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:03.080 and then pricing. 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:05.680 It's a good point in that, like having it made 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:08.240 here allows smaller companies like us to be a little 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:12.040 more nimble and be able to move and pivot things. 1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:15.080 You know, like for instance, if had we put that 1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:17.719 big bag that got cut on the conveyor belt into 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:22.200 production and realized too late that you know, maybe we shouldn't, 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:25.120 you know, make ten thousand of those. They aren't sitting 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:27.360 on a boat on the way over here. You know, 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.960 we can quickly switch material and have that one on one, 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:32.960 I have the cell phone number of the guy who's 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:35.960 going to make that happen, and just get it done 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:39.439 the same day versus you know, kind of this skype 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.960 call to somebody who there's a language barrier with YEP. 1:31:43.960 --> 1:31:46.040 That's helped us a lot too, to just be nimble 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:47.760 and quick and be able to come up with a 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:51.439 product quickly. Yeah, because we're molding, you know, we're molding ourselves, 1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:54.000 you know, sculpting at molding it and casting the parts 1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:56.120 and painting and working out the paint. So some we 1:31:56.240 --> 1:32:00.360 can come up with a new decoy pretty quickly, as 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:03.640 you know, the market changes, the populations change, or you know, 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:06.240 hundreds inches change, and that's kind of nice to be 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:07.720 able to do that well. 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:12.920 And and also we're making small daily batches of decoys, 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:18.240 whereas you know, if you're importing, you know you're buying 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:21.560 container loads, and so you could get an order of 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:26.080 five thousand decoys only to find out that, you know, 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:29.479 there's there's some huge quality issue there, and now you 1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:34.400 have a whole container load of decoys, you know. Whereas 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:38.160 for us, we stay small, and I mean we literally 1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:41.559 can walk out into the shop and take a good 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:47.400 look over our product every day, and and we're we're 1:32:47.479 --> 1:32:50.320 really tight on on quality control that way. 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:52.080 So I could call you guys and say I want 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:53.479 you to go out and find me the nicest one 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:53.840 out there. 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:56.840 Oh yeah, I thought he was going to say he 1:32:56.880 --> 1:32:58.759 could walk out in the shop and yell at somebody 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:00.559 this juggie. 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:04.000 We could do that, and that that Doffel bag though, 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:07.120 what do you call the Doffel bag or pit Duffel? 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:09.400 Just because it opens up into a big can you 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:10.479 can you peel by you? 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:11.639 Not yet? 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:12.679 Yeah? 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:15.439 Okay, that's the nicest Dolf bag. I think we're made 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:15.800 by man. 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.880 Well, it's relatively simple, but it great. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:23.320 But it seems like it's gonna float away as far 1:33:23.360 --> 1:33:23.680 as light. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:26.200 Yeah, and that that's the other benefit of that fabric 1:33:26.200 --> 1:33:29.439 because it's ultra light, and the film and the coating 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:32.519 on that allows it to just, yeah, be ultra durable. 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:35.599 Like I said, I'm not gonna color a waterproof bag, 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:40.479 but you know, very water resistant and h and tough 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:44.960 like that material itself is, you know, just reinforced. And yeah, 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:46.720 it's gonna be I think it'll be a good bag. 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:48.519 But you gotta make what you're gonna make a bunch 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:50.040 of sizes, three sizes. 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:52.960 Maybe still gotta argue with the. 1:33:55.000 --> 1:33:59.960 Internal uh corporate about how many about how many sizes 1:34:00.000 --> 1:34:00.559 as we can make. 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:02.400 Give me the arguments. What are the arguments? 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:04.400 Well, give me the pro and con Well, I don't 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:04.920 know that there are. 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:06.880 I don't have any cons. I want to make a 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:09.160 larger one. That's uh, you know, it end up being 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:11.360 the one you have is like a sixty liter defel. 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:12.800 I want to do a thirty of sixty and a 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:16.240 ninety leader does Yeah, and uh, I think that'll be 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:19.960 perfect We've already made the ninety. We've tested it. Uh, 1:34:20.360 --> 1:34:23.640 I made one, but we've traded around the shop and 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.880 used it for flights here and the air and send 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:28.559 me over a thirty man. Yeah, I need to make 1:34:28.640 --> 1:34:30.840 I've yet to make one of those, but we're actually 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:33.240 having all three of them priced currently at production to 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:35.000 make sure that we. 1:34:35.080 --> 1:34:36.360 Are able to do that quickly. 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:37.479 Can I give you hot tip? 1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:37.800 Yeah? 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.519 Absolutely, If you do three, I'd call it the one ten, 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:44.759 two twenty and three thirty. Hey, you go conno beears 1:34:45.040 --> 1:34:47.640 because that's the three conn be sizes. Like I mean, 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:49.880 there's all their goofy stuff. There's like one eighties and 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:53.439 sixties that's going to sixties. There's one sixties, two eighties, 1:34:53.479 --> 1:34:55.599 but no one pays attention the one ten, the two, 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:56.719 twenty to three thirty. 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:57.960 Then I'll confuse everybody. 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:01.479 What are the numbers mean? Like, it's long story. There's 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:03.040 nothing to do with that. That's nothing to. 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:03.560 Do with you. 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:04.360 That's always good. 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:07.160 That is a long story. 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:07.679 Yeah. 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:11.760 Can I ask do they have like backpack straps on them? 1:35:11.920 --> 1:35:12.120 They do? 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:12.479 Yeah? 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:16.559 The backpack straps are the handles and you can kind 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:20.800 of figure basically decide where you want those, but yeah, 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:25.120 they're they're comfortable backpack. Like the giant one I made. 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.080 I've used in airports as well, and if you got 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.320 to walk real far. I mean that one was one 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:32.439 hundred and forty leaders or something that was a huge 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:35.120 but which is why I got caught on the conveyor 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:39.479 belts everywhere. But and it wasn't as comfortable as this one. 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:43.120 This one actually feels like it's wearable. Yeah, it's certainly wearable, 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:43.760 you know. 1:35:43.920 --> 1:35:44.280 Perfect. 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:47.240 So the one I have is sixty, yes, thirty sixty 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:50.280 ninety dude, Yeah, thirty. 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:52.280 Won't confuse anybody. 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:55.400 So what's up apex belts? With Turkey season coming up? 1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:58.840 So that is uh, it's funny. 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:00.400 We just got done with the show and had to 1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:04.480 kind of explain to people that the U the foundations 1:36:04.520 --> 1:36:07.360 we came out with, the belt, the hydration pack both 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:12.960 are multiple use items. Just happens with the and I 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:16.280 say multiple use, How do I best explain that there? 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:18.639 I use it as a range belt, a hiking belt, 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:23.800 hunting belt, edition whatever, fishing. I scouted all summer in. 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:25.200 It, all season, all pursuit. 1:36:25.560 --> 1:36:28.280 Yeah, I was using mine for buck ratlin yep. 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.840 But being that we're launching that here in the spring, 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:36.639 figured we would include some accessories or launch some accessories 1:36:36.680 --> 1:36:39.200 about the same time. So we have the box call 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:42.000 pouch coming out with it. It's a The belt itself 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:45.360 is a three piece belt, so it's really expandable, kind 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:47.479 of designed to be a one size fits most belt. 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:51.559 Got kind of an internal frame sheet molly attachment. Those 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:53.280 who are familiar with the battle belt will. 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:58.160 Kind of be familiar with the idea of a padded 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.759 imagine like the belt of a big frame. 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:04.240 Pack without a backpack. Let's go a way of putting it. 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:09.519 Has suspenders available, has a folding seat that kind of 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:10.280 tucks up out of the. 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:12.280 Way and yeah, is that out now or not out 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:12.640 it is? 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:13.519 Yeah, we I think. 1:37:13.479 --> 1:37:16.080 Sweet launched that and you don't even notice you're wearing 1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:20.080 that a super you know, minimal. We've seen interest from 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:22.920 that from predator hunters, Turkey hunters as. 1:37:22.880 --> 1:37:25.840 Well as well. My old turkey vest had a seat 1:37:25.880 --> 1:37:27.840 and I like a seat, but all day walk around 1:37:27.920 --> 1:37:30.720 that seat bang in the back your knees drives you insane, man. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:32.960 Yeah, and that's you know what we kind of heard 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:35.000 from customers is like one they're usually a pain to 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:37.000 stow if you're going to stow them up behind it. 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:39.160 And if you don't stow it, the yeah, they hitch 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:41.639 you in the calves the entire rest of the day. 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:44.599 So this one tucks away easily using magnets. You can 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:47.080 hook it to a backpack even we did a video 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:50.120 recently on social just hooked it to my trouser belt 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:52.280 and to my bino harness and don't have any belt 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.240 worked out well, so you can kind of customize and 1:37:56.280 --> 1:37:58.719 tailor that whole system to fit your style. 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:01.479 In the pot call pouch, we did the pot call pouch. 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:04.479 We call it echelon right and left just because they're 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:08.439 kind of a triangle shape with the point facing forward. 1:38:08.720 --> 1:38:10.519 You would that's how you figure out right and left. 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:10.760 Ye. 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:13.000 And if you're inclined to leave all your shit out 1:38:13.040 --> 1:38:14.600 in the woods, this is a good little thing to 1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:18.439 have with you. Yeah, easy to it encourages not leaving 1:38:18.479 --> 1:38:21.080 all your junk in the woods, easy to put stuff in, 1:38:21.240 --> 1:38:23.519 easy to get in and out of quickly because you 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:27.840 can actually operate out of it. It's a pot call holder, 1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:30.640 but it opens out yep, So when you're sitting there, 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.280 it's actually just as good to have it there. This 1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:36.160 is lay it in the leaves next to you, which 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:37.519 is what I used to I just kind of hide 1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:40.120 my stuff in the leaves and then later i'd go 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:41.200 back and try to find where. 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:42.679 I put it. I need to put some more lanyard 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:46.800 loops on that thing. But yeah, it's uh just the 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:47.720 way it sits open. 1:38:47.800 --> 1:38:49.800 Yeah, you can kind of just like our chest ri 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:51.960 you can just open open it and work out of 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:53.000 it and put everything. 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:53.439 Back where it goes. 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:56.360 It's got the spots for you your putt and peg 1:38:57.040 --> 1:38:58.679 as well as scratch pads all that stuff. 1:38:58.840 --> 1:38:59.360 We found out. 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:02.439 Its shows that actually uh conceals a handgun in there 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:06.200 pretty well as well. We had numerous people ask and 1:39:06.320 --> 1:39:09.560 actually like to wear mine. It's all where the the 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:12.439 right or I'm sorry, the left one. So the triangle 1:39:12.840 --> 1:39:15.000 faces forward on your left. I wear that on my 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:18.600 right side for cross draw. Well it creates, uh, it 1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:22.599 creates like a wing of sorts where when you sling 1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:25.160 your shotgun, it sits right behind there and creates at 1:39:25.200 --> 1:39:26.000 the weapons catch. 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:27.479 So it's good. 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:29.720 It actually works out really well in that respect. But 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:31.640 I think that covers that. 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:35.280 So how about the is the is the the morale bag? 1:39:35.800 --> 1:39:38.160 It is available now. Yeah, and it's just the same 1:39:38.160 --> 1:39:39.360 way by those people are stupid. 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:44.320 If they don't, people I think need to be educated 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:44.920 to what they are. 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:46.679 They're all over in the tactical world. 1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:50.400 You know, guys use them for mag dump pouches, you know, 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:53.280 putting down empty mags or whatever we've found we've been 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:55.680 using them for, like rifle hunting. If you need to 1:39:55.720 --> 1:39:59.360 stow your gloves quick instead of putting them inside your 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:01.240 coat or draw opping them as you're moving, you just 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:02.960 stuff them in that bag. It's just a you know, 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:06.120 it gets the size of like a chew can rolled up. 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:09.519 Yeah, it's like a big ass bag that hangs from 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:11.360 your belt, but it rolls up like a chew can. 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:13.240 Well you don't you know, you wouldn't know it was there. No, 1:40:13.439 --> 1:40:15.880 And the way it's undo it and it opens up 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:17.960 and you can you can put like eight meals or 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:18.720 the morals in there. 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:20.160 Yep. Absolutely. 1:40:20.840 --> 1:40:22.640 And it's got a mesh bottom on it, so you know, 1:40:22.680 --> 1:40:25.040 if you are putting stuff that's dirty or wet, you know, 1:40:25.080 --> 1:40:28.160 it still drips out the bottom. It doesn't collect, and 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:31.120 then it's removable so you can it's mollied onto your belt. 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:35.559 The attachment system we use, and it just you can 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:38.000 unhook it and empty it, do whatever you need to. 1:40:38.680 --> 1:40:40.840 It's a drop bag too, so it's out of your way. 1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:44.320 Yeah, and it's sits underneath the way it is attached, 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:47.519 sits underneath your existing pouches, so it doesn't take up 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:49.240 extra room on your belt. And so if you don't 1:40:49.280 --> 1:40:51.040 need it, you really don't even notice it's there. 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:51.639 Yeah. 1:40:52.120 --> 1:40:54.519 So all the everything people need to hunt turkeys is 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:55.760 available on there, it is. 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:56.080 Yeah. 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:59.360 And again that's you know, because of the timing of 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:02.360 launching all this stuff, we focused on turkeys to start with, 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:04.400 but you know, the plan would be to have a 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:06.479 whole lot of different stuff coming out that will attach 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:08.879 and any of our old existing pouch is still attached 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.799 to it now, like you said, I use it fishing 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:14.200 at the range, you know, all over the place. 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:16.599 But the Scott's shoulder straps too, it does. 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:18.800 It has kind of the same geometry as the first 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:25.640 light elastic suspenders. Or you could attach it to the 1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:29.960 hydration pack and use your hydration pack as your shoulder yoke. 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:34.479 But so, but you can buy it all you can 1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:36.519 buy right now. Right It's like they came, did they 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:38.559 sell out, came out not for sale. 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:42.439 We did a soft launch in December December, and then 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:46.360 we did limited colors then and they did sell out. 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:49.120 Some of those sold out right away, and then we 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.520 relaunched them here just a couple of weeks. 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:54.720 Ago with all the colors, so you can get it 1:41:54.800 --> 1:41:58.360 right now, just get it. Yeah, absolutely, And what else 1:41:58.439 --> 1:41:59.200 is coming up next? 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:03.639 Pit Duffle in June. We've got. 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:09.880 A hip quiver YEP, kind of an interesting hip quiver 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:12.240 that I think is different than any of them I've 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:18.080 ever seen on the market. Ambidextrous kind of use and uh, 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:21.760 you know, there's a lot of companies out there doing them, 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:23.479 but none's ever been done like this. 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:28.439 So that'll be the summer launches. You probably know more 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:28.720 than me. 1:42:29.280 --> 1:42:31.920 Yeah, we have a bit of a quiet year after 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:36.200 Apex Belt System, just given the nature of last year 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:38.599 we had I don't even know how many new products 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:41.120 with the fob. So we'll have one more launch this 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:44.920 year and then we're kind of grinding on twenty twenty 1:42:44.960 --> 1:42:45.479 five stuff. 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:47.920 So and how are you coming on our on our 1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:56.120 secret uh our work entitled Rio Loco. Yeah, I was there, 1:42:56.120 --> 1:43:00.360 remember when they're named that thing? Well he needs. He 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:02.040 needs to do a bunch of research on this. Yes, 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:05.360 I have the only one in existence right now. Oh 1:43:05.439 --> 1:43:07.120 and also felts, what's up with the moose call? 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:08.680 We got it. 1:43:11.040 --> 1:43:12.840 You and you and Clay asked a lot, but we 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:14.320 have to make a little divergence. 1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:16.880 It's just it's unsustainable to build it the way you 1:43:16.960 --> 1:43:21.200 guys wanted and be like this ultra I won't say ultram, 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:23.760 it's not not ultra premium, but it just can't be 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.200 produced one at a time and a big giant. 1:43:26.560 --> 1:43:28.320 I want you in there just making one at a time. 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:34.479 When you get one done, let someone know, like the 1:43:34.560 --> 1:43:37.960 original days, like I just just made this one. It's 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:41.560 up for sale, like just all day web maintenance. But no, 1:43:41.680 --> 1:43:42.240 it's it's coming. 1:43:42.320 --> 1:43:44.840 We finally found somebody that would injection mold it with 1:43:45.000 --> 1:43:49.599 the right plastic makeup and a huge like fiberglass fill, 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:51.920 so it'll be very, very similar to what what you 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:54.680 guys used. We made it a little bit thinner. Some 1:43:54.760 --> 1:43:57.080 of the other reviewers wanted a little more resonation out 1:43:57.120 --> 1:44:00.120 of it, and so were a little. 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:01.120 Who else is better? 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:02.800 Mosing? Do they want it? 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:04.639 They want, but they want to be able to rake 1:44:04.760 --> 1:44:06.880 brush rake. They wanted to be a little more hollow 1:44:06.920 --> 1:44:07.880 when they're raking brush. 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:09.720 And then they want, but i'll talk to you. 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:11.519 There's some reasons why. 1:44:11.560 --> 1:44:13.400 We all see big bulls. 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:17.400 And then they got that you're taking our color suggestion. 1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:19.960 Right, Oh yeah, yeah, we picked your It was weird 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:21.800 that the name has green in it, but it was 1:44:21.800 --> 1:44:23.880 the most accurate. It was like some weird sage green 1:44:24.000 --> 1:44:24.960 color that they could cast. 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:26.680 But yeah, it'll be meaning that your call looks like 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:28.360 a paddle, but yeah, it'll be like that could be 1:44:28.400 --> 1:44:30.040 really good. Does it have the read in it or 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:31.800 is it just we're going to work on it. 1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:34.080 We we got some other changes to it, but yeah, 1:44:34.080 --> 1:44:36.080 we'll have that. We'll have that read read in there 1:44:36.080 --> 1:44:40.000 as an accessory. But nine people will probably just voice call, 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:42.800 but we'll we'll have that as an option, okay, and. 1:44:42.840 --> 1:44:45.040 Then uh, and then real quick before we wrap up 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:47.760 review for me, what what hot new turkey products are out? 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:49.479 And then then I want the DSD you guys do 1:44:49.560 --> 1:44:50.559 the same, So Turkey calls. 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:52.799 This year we got the new triple locator Hawk Scream, 1:44:53.120 --> 1:44:57.640 I'll scream Woodpecker call. We brought back working with Steve Morgenstern, 1:44:58.439 --> 1:45:00.400 one of the greats in the in the friction ca world. 1:45:00.800 --> 1:45:03.400 We've got two signature series, so we went with I'm 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:05.640 gonna get this wrong. We went with Mulberry and a 1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:07.400 red slate, and then we went with like a very 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:11.240 specific specked out hard slate in Babinga. So we have 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:13.479 two of. 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:14.280 Those pots coming. 1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:15.800 And then we've got the new Rain series that we 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:19.120 partnered up with Chris Parrish, probably the all time winning 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:22.880 his tricky caller and great, great you know guy that 1:45:23.000 --> 1:45:24.960 that we work with on the Turkey call side on 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:28.560 a three pack of those really light, more intricate diaphragms. 1:45:28.600 --> 1:45:31.800 This year we've got a new reverse tapered striker. I 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:34.120 think I can talk about it now, a reverse tapered striker. 1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:36.920 So like, oh, by the way, why'd you give Clay 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:37.599 a pack of calls? 1:45:37.640 --> 1:45:38.920 We didn't give me a new pack of calls. 1:45:39.320 --> 1:45:41.559 Don't need Clay gave me credit for that. I don't 1:45:41.560 --> 1:45:43.240 know where he dug those up when he got here. 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:46.439 Oh yeah, you didn't give those to me. Somebody else did. 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:49.960 But then we've got like you know, strikers forever have 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:53.400 been like you know, they usually get bigger as they. 1:45:53.400 --> 1:45:54.080 Go out to the bell. 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:55.599 But like you can see on this one, it actually 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:59.040 gets skinnier back towards where we make the connection on 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:02.400 the on the end, a lot more vibration you can 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:04.280 actually fill it in your striker, and so we're getting 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:06.120 a little bit more once again. 1:46:06.160 --> 1:46:08.160 Morganstern had that idea. So we're gonna bring that guy 1:46:08.160 --> 1:46:08.720 out this year. 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:12.400 And everybody talks about you always hear everybody talk about 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:14.880 diamond wood strikers, you know, wake up the cheapest calls. 1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:16.880 And we finally found a company that has. 1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:21.160 Yeah, like that's that's the best striker material you can 1:46:21.439 --> 1:46:23.559 in my opinion, and a lot of tricky hunter's opinions 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.000 you can use. We finally found somebody that had like 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:29.519 the original recipe to diamond wood. Everybody, you know a 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:31.280 lot of people have tried to imitate it but haven't 1:46:31.320 --> 1:46:32.920 got it right. And so we're back to like the 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:34.040 original diamond wood. 1:46:34.560 --> 1:46:35.360 What is the strikers. 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.880 So it's just a bunch of laminated short really you know, 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:41.840 thin veneers, and they put a bunch of phenolic resin 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:43.839 and then put it under like crazy amounts of pressure. 1:46:44.400 --> 1:46:46.680 So even though it's wood, it's also got a lot 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:50.400 of phenolic in it, and so it's you know, fairly waterproof. 1:46:50.479 --> 1:46:53.400 It will it will saturate out, but like just that 1:46:53.520 --> 1:46:56.000 thing will wake up a ten dollars pot call that 1:46:56.080 --> 1:47:00.560 you got it Walmart and have, Yeah, that's yours. It 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:03.120 does look like you put it in there backward. Yeah, no, 1:47:03.280 --> 1:47:04.920 it's it was designed that way. I need to write 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:08.040 reverse ta Yeah we did. It wasn't like it wasn't 1:47:08.040 --> 1:47:09.679 a reject off of the machine. You need to write 1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:12.720 reverse taper. It feels good in your hand. Yeah, it's 1:47:12.800 --> 1:47:13.479 it's it's good. 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:14.639 It's good. 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:17.400 You can build a real marginal pot call and throw 1:47:17.400 --> 1:47:19.120 out striker in with it and you're like, bam, is 1:47:19.160 --> 1:47:21.759 that right? And then uh, tell me about the triple 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:25.400 locator again. So hawk scream it's got three settings on 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:26.960 the band, So if you set it closest to the 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:29.640 front of the yeah, we got this, and then we 1:47:29.720 --> 1:47:31.880 also have it in like a more custom fancy lamine. 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:34.960 You got the oul screamer in the middle setting, and 1:47:35.000 --> 1:47:37.760 then all the way back we've got that affiliated woodpecker 1:47:39.439 --> 1:47:41.080 just located on one. 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:41.519 Yeah. 1:47:41.800 --> 1:47:45.320 Loud, extremely loud, you know, with the intention hunters, the 1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:47.800 hunter's call just to get them to locate. Are you 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:49.360 still selling Clay's acorn call? 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:50.960 We are, We're about out. 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:53.439 We we did that rerun and really didn't talk a 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:55.840 whole lot about it, and I think we're we're getting 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:58.840 down into real low two digit inventory left and that's 1:47:58.880 --> 1:48:00.479 gonna be the last run ever. 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:02.600 We've made some improvements. 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:06.599 Yeah, we got two material improvements and uh uh yeah, 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:07.600 I'm gonna the. 1:48:07.640 --> 1:48:09.559 One little issue collectors. 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:12.559 Are you going to retire it? Yeah? Well, so Clay, 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:14.120 we did something cool. 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:15.960 We wanted to use white oak, and we realized like 1:48:16.040 --> 1:48:18.519 the finishing of white oak was a giant pain in 1:48:18.560 --> 1:48:21.040 the ass at times. 1:48:20.800 --> 1:48:22.240 So we had to we had to go back and 1:48:22.760 --> 1:48:23.519 you know, change them over. 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:26.400 But the structure of the call, that being an inhale 1:48:26.520 --> 1:48:30.960 exhale dobly buck grunt, I mean, that's the acorn grunner, 1:48:31.200 --> 1:48:33.360 but the oak acorn grunner. 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:35.160 Is gonna go The oak part is gonna go away. 1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:37.120 We're gonna switch it over to a crylic. How many 1:48:37.160 --> 1:48:39.880 do we make of those total in the two different runs? 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:44.559 At twelve hundred total, and then you don't have if 1:48:44.640 --> 1:48:46.160 you want to get one. We sold a bunch of 1:48:46.200 --> 1:48:49.240 them there at the Portland Show. People loved them and yeah, 1:48:49.240 --> 1:48:51.320 it's it's pretty unique, great sounding call. You blow on 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:52.280 one and I'll take that. 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:53.080 Yeah. 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:55.200 Well, speaking of a collector's I mean not had me 1:48:55.200 --> 1:48:57.920 there night. There was a huge mistake. My buddies were 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:00.960 over because my birthday and someone's like, hey, can we 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:02.040 open this bottle of whiskey? 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:04.840 Oh don't well? 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:07.120 I was well, I was like, I don't care. We 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:09.880 could drinking, and you know that they opened it. I 1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:13.519 didn't realize back there when we had that that barrel 1:49:13.600 --> 1:49:17.760 of meat eater bourbon. Oh it was them. It was 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:22.040 the bottle that said one, and I had like, you. 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:24.400 Were never going to use it, I know, but dude, 1:49:27.720 --> 1:49:28.120 they got it. 1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:29.960 You've got a little chunk change for that. If it 1:49:30.080 --> 1:49:32.840 was if you have send it to my collection, it 1:49:32.880 --> 1:49:36.400 would still be sitting up there unopened. Once I realized 1:49:36.439 --> 1:49:40.559 what happened, Yeah, it's going now have gone. 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:43.559 But this is the like whiskey is meant to be drinking. 1:49:43.800 --> 1:49:46.320 You know, my good friends and what's better than the 1:49:46.360 --> 1:49:48.719 fiftieth birthday party? It was my old was my oldest friends, 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:50.840 was like my o G friends. They drank it. 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:52.280 So it's fun, all. 1:49:52.200 --> 1:49:54.760 Right, Dave, you do the same thing. What's the hot 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:58.240 new ticket. The hot new DSD items for spring turkey 1:49:58.280 --> 1:49:59.040 which is coming up. 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:02.000 New for of this spring is that we finally made 1:50:02.880 --> 1:50:06.840 a pack that's designed to carry DSD turkey decoys. It's 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:09.120 a fly down pack and was designed by our own 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:12.160 Scott Sprucker, and it. 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:14.320 Is I mean, rather than putting them in a big 1:50:14.360 --> 1:50:15.960 gunny sick yeah, rather. 1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:19.640 Than putting the the you know, the straps around your 1:50:19.800 --> 1:50:22.360 neck and it's like you put to this way and. 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:27.040 To this way, we're going to get across some getting strangled, yeah, which. 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:28.360 We've all done that. 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:30.800 This is a really comfortable pack that's lightweight, has a 1:50:30.880 --> 1:50:34.080 divider in it so it easily carries a jake and 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:38.960 a hen half strut jake and a hen and maybe 1:50:39.320 --> 1:50:41.360 maybe a little more than that, and then there's also 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:45.080 a chest rig and they can be worn together. And 1:50:45.200 --> 1:50:48.240 the chest rig is basically to hold everything, every essential 1:50:48.360 --> 1:50:52.400 thing that you need for turkey. Anningh did you bring 1:50:52.439 --> 1:50:53.200 me one of those packs? 1:50:54.160 --> 1:50:57.080 Does it have a nose it replaces your turkey your 1:50:57.120 --> 1:50:57.720 turkey vest. 1:50:58.160 --> 1:50:59.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and. 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:01.840 It has a yeah, and it has a pad, uh 1:51:02.120 --> 1:51:02.839 seat pad. 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:04.919 Really yeah, I just want the backpack. 1:51:05.800 --> 1:51:08.880 It's not it's not quite the utility about that. That's 1:51:08.920 --> 1:51:09.160 what I was. 1:51:09.640 --> 1:51:11.479 It's a bag. I want the bag to carry the 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:15.240 decoys in a guny sex. Yeah you can. 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:18.960 You can put the decoy within its bag in the backpack, 1:51:19.120 --> 1:51:20.640 or just take it out of its bag and put it. 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:23.080 Put it in the backpack because it's it protects the 1:51:23.120 --> 1:51:26.400 whole decoy, so that makes it super fast, super fast 1:51:26.400 --> 1:51:26.760 set up. 1:51:26.920 --> 1:51:27.479 That's what I want. 1:51:27.760 --> 1:51:30.080 And you can buy it, Steve is just the backpack 1:51:30.720 --> 1:51:34.360 or just the chest pack, or you can get the pair. 1:51:34.760 --> 1:51:36.599 And you guys are all in stock. People are gonna 1:51:36.600 --> 1:51:38.080 have any problem to go to buy their decoys for 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:38.519 the spring. 1:51:39.160 --> 1:51:41.640 Yeah, so far we're we're caught up. 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:43.680 Yeah yeah, good man. 1:51:43.840 --> 1:51:48.280 I'm getting excited, like Turkey's coming. I mean it's here 1:51:50.560 --> 1:51:53.919 for the you know people down south. Yeah, I'm excited. 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:57.280 I get this time. I get like where I all. 1:51:57.760 --> 1:52:01.759 I do a mental transition and I just start putting 1:52:01.840 --> 1:52:04.720 junk away, Like if I had ice fish and stuff out, 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:08.880 it's done, trap and stuff, put it away, just start 1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:13.040 clearing the deck yep. Like I lose interest in everything, 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:15.120 and it's like Turkey time. 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:17.200 Yeah, it's an exciting time. 1:52:19.800 --> 1:52:22.000 And then one thing I might add to that, Steve 1:52:22.160 --> 1:52:25.680 is our preming hend was so popular last year and 1:52:26.200 --> 1:52:29.280 so many of our customers were actually buying multiple preening hens. 1:52:29.320 --> 1:52:32.479 It we're now offering it as a as a twin pack. 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:34.599 You can get two preen hens and save a little money. 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:35.719 That way sweet. 1:52:36.880 --> 1:52:38.760 So that was a decoy we came out with kind 1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:41.360 of late, so a lot of people used it last 1:52:41.400 --> 1:52:43.920 year and it we were really super happy with it. 1:52:44.080 --> 1:52:45.080 Did you bring one of those? 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:48.280 Yeah, we do, We've got one here. Oh it's like 1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:49.720 it's like almost. 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:52.320 Yeah, it's just. 1:52:53.160 --> 1:52:54.200 Steve happy related. 1:52:56.120 --> 1:52:59.960 You know, do you think when a big guy work 1:53:00.080 --> 1:53:02.800 comes up to two preening decoys, he's gonna go, what 1:53:02.960 --> 1:53:05.840 are the chances both of those ladies are preening at 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:06.559 the same time? 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:08.080 But I will say this. 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:12.760 In our observations, it's it's it was amazing the number 1:53:12.800 --> 1:53:16.200 of times that four or five hens are preening together 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:19.040 and they're preening the same group of feathers at the 1:53:19.120 --> 1:53:22.479 same time. And so that's what's so amazing about this 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:25.560 decoy is that that is a sign of turkeys that 1:53:25.600 --> 1:53:28.479 are one hundred percent relaxed, like they will only do 1:53:28.600 --> 1:53:33.920 that do feather maintenance when they're just completely feeling safe. 1:53:34.320 --> 1:53:37.040 So it's the opposite of the decoy where they're all 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:45.599 standing exactly vertical armed the side of their head. Yeah, 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:50.600 looking in the same direction. Yeah, that's great man. All right, Well, 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:52.880 thanks for coming on, guys, Thanks for having me, Thanks 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:57.519 for geving. I like having the roundup, the Turkey roundup 1:53:57.560 --> 1:54:02.439 of everything that's going on this year. Fire it up, 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:05.840 do a gobble, Phelps, Oh you're putting on a spa again. 1:54:09.120 --> 1:54:15.760 Let me hear yours, Clay, m hmm, No, felts Man, 1:54:18.840 --> 1:54:24.320 here's mine ready, That's all I need to hear right there. 1:54:25.600 --> 1:54:27.479 All right, guys, thanks for coming on. So everybody check 1:54:27.520 --> 1:54:31.120 out as you're gearing up for Spring Turkey. Check out 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:35.680 DSD Decoys, check out f HF Gear for all your 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:39.080 tot and your your your nys and and toting equipment 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:41.160 and the Apex belt and Phelps game calls for all 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:44.560 your felt for all your game calls needs. 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