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Speaker 1: we're having an outdoor gear manufacturing convention. Did you catch that? Dave?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I got that. Okay, that's probably all I'll get today.

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Speaker 1: Joining party by Dave Smith, and we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: clear something up right away. Dave isn't hearing everything. And

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Speaker 1: last time he was on the show, his wife told

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Speaker 1: him he sounded arrogant. I didn't catch because he'll just

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Speaker 1: he was just missing parts. Are you open about this? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I explain to your problem.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, my wife before this, she gave

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Speaker 3: me some words of encouragement. She said, she said, remember, Dave,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just way too much shooting and with

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Speaker 2: And so don't don't be Dave.

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Speaker 3: Wear hearing protection because it sucks when you get in

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Speaker 3: this situation, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's got isolated, You got your hearing aids in.

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Speaker 2: Got him, got him cranked up. We'll do the best

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Speaker 2: I can.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So if you're at home thinking, man, Dave guy's an

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Speaker 1: arrogant bastard. He may be, it's just that he can't hear.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's gonna be a problem for today.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: Joined also by Jason Phelps, the team from the founder

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Speaker 1: of Phelps Game Calls. Joined by the Lewises from f

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Speaker 1: HF GEAR. Yep, I won't say say a little bit

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Speaker 1: more now.

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Speaker 4: What you want us to say?

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Speaker 1: The highly ever Bowls, the highly ver Bowls Paul Lewis

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Speaker 4: My wife's here to tell me that same encouragement.

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Speaker 1: Is going to give you live feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you guys are designers, like you guys are designers,

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Speaker 1: so you spend a lot of time just not you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we just that'd be.

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Speaker 1: The goal anyway, It is the goal.

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Speaker 6: We just got done with the shows down in Salt

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Speaker 1: Are you all visited out after doing trade shows?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we both get where we need to.

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Speaker 6: Just this will be the most socialization. We'll do probably

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I try not to keep track.

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Speaker 6: But it's a lot, a lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 8: I'm glad that they were on the same weekend this

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Speaker 8: it's always good to catch up with your customers and

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Speaker 1: You know what I liked that I didn't know you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just because you spend so much time explaining

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Speaker 9: I would have rigged it, so it was work like

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Speaker 1: Man, I thought we could. I was gonna say, at

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Speaker 1: the little on the little working calls Clay's here. He

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Speaker 10: That's right.

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Speaker 1: He makes a little. He makes cute carvings and artworks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you see your picture out there?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Man, yeah, krink.

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Speaker 1: He grabbed the picture so we can show the picture again.

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Speaker 10: Finally made it. Made it.

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Speaker 1: We're doing you know, we're doing a T shirt design.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard about that.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I'm gonna show it again.

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Speaker 10: Hey, I was gonna say, I was going to ask

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Speaker 10: you a question, Jason about your trade shows. Are you

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Speaker 10: the guy that's elk bugling like NonStop, just like just

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and then like the specially because this is where

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Speaker 8: I put it, Clay, can you and your own words

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Speaker 10: So a couple of years ago I found this at

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Speaker 10: I had drawn this when I was a junior in

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Speaker 10: man off drawing muscled up guys. I don't know what

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Speaker 10: those guys NonStop. And I think this is a This

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Speaker 10: do you remember you? Oh, this was inspired by that, well,

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Speaker 10: the shoulder pads. He's wearing football shoulder pads.

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Speaker 1: He's been on the show.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Bo Jackson man, Now he had Bo Jackson had

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Speaker 10: a famous baseball card or football card where he had

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Speaker 10: I think that's what inspired the shoulder pads. But yeah,

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Speaker 10: so we're gonna make a T shirt machine gun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that'd be a good name for the shirt.

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Speaker 10: That's what I think. That's what we referred to it as.

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Speaker 1: That's great, it's great.

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Speaker 2: Artwork that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Uh and then uh, Dave Smith. Of course you're from

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Speaker 1: from uh D s D. You know, how do you

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Speaker 1: guys handle that there's Dave Smith decoys and then D

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Speaker 1: S D decoys. Have ever asked you about this?

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Speaker 3: So I've always tried to push D s D because

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Speaker 3: it sounds less because arrogant.

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Speaker 1: Exactly because you're arrogant.

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Speaker 3: So I meant at the beginning, I wanted to call

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Speaker 3: people were just like, you know, you got to go

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Speaker 3: get Dave Smith, you know, if you got any of

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Speaker 3: Dave Smith, and that just sort of that just sort

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Speaker 2: So but now you know, we're.

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Speaker 3: A larger you know, larger company and part of a

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Speaker 1: Like I don't it just so you're comfortable.

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Speaker 3: I don't offend Jason because of the Felps scholar or

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Speaker 3: whatever like that. But I just like felt like it's

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Speaker 3: it's a I have, you know, not I'm not like

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Speaker 3: the you know, the big decision maker on everything, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mostly do the artwork part of it and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. So it's a there's so much contributors to

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Speaker 1: So you're comfortable to be in DSD decoys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever d s D.

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Speaker 3: I mean, DSD Decoys doesn't really make sense because it's

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Speaker 3: Dave Smith decoy, so it'd be like, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I'm I'm changing Phelps game calls the PGC after him

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Speaker 8: talking about arrogance and his name.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna Philips.

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Speaker 1: We're going back to PGC.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, already, already, I'm alreadysier to say than f

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Speaker 1: Joined also by Brad Cochran, who's never been on the

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Speaker 1: show before. Brad Cochran from DSD.

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Speaker 12: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I want to get to something. I want

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Speaker 1: to get something about your decoy philosophy. Okay, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it later. He well, no, we'll I want to

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Speaker 1: touch on then we'll delve into it later. You you, uh, hey,

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Speaker 10: You always do this. You always go you touch on

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Speaker 10: like the most thing, and you're like, we're gonna get

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Speaker 10: back to it. Just go for it, Okay, just let's

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Speaker 10: go all in.

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Speaker 1: You uh all right, you have a rule that you

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Speaker 1: don't want to shoot. Now you've bushwacked turkeys in the

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Speaker 1: past and done all the oh sure, yeah.

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Speaker 12: I mean I got into turkey hunting when I was

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Speaker 12: fourteen years old, so you know, I imagine, like a lot

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Speaker 12: of new turkey hunters, it was all about getting a bird, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah in the beginning, and belly crawling, bushwacking, yeah, ditch crawling, yeah,

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Speaker 1: strangling whatever it took. Yeah, but you got now you

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Speaker 1: don't want to hunt them if you're not using a decoy.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Walk me through that. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons for it,

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Speaker 12: I would say, first and foremost, for me, it's really

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Speaker 12: about the the experience I've found that there. There's just

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Speaker 12: there's there's nothing quite as memorable to me as having

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Speaker 12: that really close encounter, and with decoys, I can draw

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Speaker 12: them in as close as I want. Essentially, you know,

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Speaker 12: I mean, obviously I have to be concealed. That's certainly

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Speaker 12: an important component to it. But there's also you know,

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Speaker 12: it's it's challenging. I like to let I like to

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Speaker 12: let my season, you know, I like it to last

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Speaker 12: more than three days. We have a six week long

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Speaker 12: season in Oregon. Back home so.

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Speaker 1: How many turkeys you guys a loud three? Really?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: One per day, three per season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are you turkey numbers holding up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: They are. Our turkeys are doing really well.

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Speaker 1: When you when you're when you say that that there's

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Speaker 12: So I've found that shooting a bird in full strut

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Speaker 1: Well they climb up there, Yeah, don't you think that

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Speaker 1: So one of the places that hut my buddy, Uh

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Speaker 8: Sometimes I would say that it's the difference because then

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Speaker 1: Totally intent on fighting that thing. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying, right, And that's why we

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Speaker 12: that got called the three quarter shrud Jake, and it

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Speaker 1: He was three quarter strudding.

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Speaker 12: He's actually half strutting. That's the intention of that decoy.

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Speaker 12: even though it technically, if you look on our website,

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Speaker 1: Shread, Jake, tell me about the unhappiness. You just think

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Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I mean I put a

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Speaker 12: I think what you have to realize here, Steve, is

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Speaker 12: It would be more appropriate to call a three quarter

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Speaker 1: You know those shirts to show like the evolution to man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we should do one of make it like ten steps

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Speaker 1: toward full strut. Yea with the fractions. Yeah, the first

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Speaker 1: we should cancel that that future man and just do

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Speaker 10: Help people be able to describe what they're seeing. Like

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Speaker 10: if I'm telling the story, I'm like, man a turkey

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Speaker 1: How often do you how often do you see that?

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Speaker 1: You know, when Jake's come in, Jake's come in and

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Speaker 12: They can, they can?

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Speaker 1: What do you think that what's going on in your head?

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Speaker 12: I would say that most of the time, Jakes are

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Speaker 1: That's what I was going to get to next, is

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had situations where I was hunting one big

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Speaker 3: Tom and he absolutely would not come in because there's

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Speaker 1: There's no situation where like, at a minimum, you're gonna

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Speaker 12: Just a gobbler decoy? Yeah, maybe it's happened before. If

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Speaker 1: Then he might kind of he might want to come

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Speaker 12: Yeah, because if a bird has five hens with him

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Speaker 12: and he sees another hen, you know, sure he might.

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Speaker 12: He might gobble at you, but he's he's not gonna leave.

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Speaker 12: He's not going to leave the real deal. And so

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like watching is uh, I

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's crazy, you know, keeps.

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Speaker 1: Everybody entertained with your decoy. I know some tombo Yeah yeah, okay.

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Speaker 10: Hen wasn't saying anything back. I don't know, I can't

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Speaker 1: They'll charge it a lot of times, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: But that's early, right, you would still be snow on

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Speaker 12: A lot of times back home, our birds are still

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Speaker 12: pretty flocked up during the youth hunt because that's the

438
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 12: weekend before our season. Sure, we're April fifteenth, and the

439
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 12: Saturday and Sunday prior to April fifteenth is the youth hunt.

440
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 12: So you know, I mean a lot of times we'll

441
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 12: be setting up on you know, maybe the roost is

442
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 12: holding thirty forty birds, and a week or two later

443
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 12: there's only you know, maybe fifteen. So a lot of

444
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 12: times during that youth hunt, you're actually not hunting too

445
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 12: many individual gobblers, but there's lots of groups of you know, three,

446
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 12: four or five birds running around and they're pretty dang aggressive.

447
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 12: You put a gobbler decoy out and it doesn't really

448
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 12: matter what it is, they're going to come attack it.

449
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: What's the most decoys you ever set out at one time?

450
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: You'll put a whole flock out, like you're hunting geese.

451
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 12: Probably the most that I've ever put out is maybe five,

452
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 12: five or so.

453
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: But when we go hunt with Matt Winners, he puts

454
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: out like twelve.

455
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh dude, they're tel turkey decoys.

456
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And we have we have several customers that

457
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: do that and they just every time they're just shocked

458
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: at how well it works. And I'm kind of surprised

459
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 3: that it works that good because it's like, all of

460
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 3: a sudden, the flock of turkeys is, you know, encountering

461
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 3: a whole new.

462
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: Flock and yeah, they're like I thought I was the flock.

463
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's go mingle. But yeah, it's pretty fun

464
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: when you, uh, when we have done that. Matt is

465
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: the one who really turned that on the first time

466
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: we ever went. He's in Kansas. The first time we

467
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: ever went to go hunt with him, he wanted to

468
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: impress us of how many DSDs he had and he

469
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 3: had them all out in his yard and.

470
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Then you wanted to show you what a good customer

471
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: he was.

472
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, actually yeah, And he's just been h he's

473
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: been buying up first light gear the last couple of

474
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: weeks and weeks. He's just like a great supporter of

475
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: DSP and anything that we do.

476
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: He's just a great guy.

477
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: We love it.

478
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: We love him all right.

479
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Give me, like, give me the just give people like

480
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: the setup. If people aren't gonna try to figure a

481
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff out and they're not gonna buy

482
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: a dozen and they're just starting out, what do they

483
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: want to put out? They want to put out a

484
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: strutter and a hen like, just like give it like

485
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: the straightest, most most you know, idiot proof setup for idiots.

486
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 12: Well, like I always I asked him first you know

487
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 12: about their hunt. First off, are you a shotgun hunter

488
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 12: or are you an archery hunter?

489
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: Shotgun?

490
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 12: Okay, you're a shotgun hunter. Then I get a hen

491
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 12: in at Jake decoy.

492
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Hending to Jake, Yeah really yeah.

493
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 10: Three quarter strut.

494
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: So you just if you're telling someone like, okay, let me,

495
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: let me give you the profile of the guy. There's

496
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: a guy. Let's just say there's a guy that knows

497
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: he's got access on some field and it's not a

498
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: big spot. He's got access on forty acres and now

499
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: and then he notices on his way to work he'll

500
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: see some turkeys out in the field and he thinks

501
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: to himself, Man, I'm gonna go out in that field

502
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: on O ME day and I'm gonna sit there. And

503
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: that's as much as he knows.

504
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a perfect Jake and a hen Hen guy that,

505
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: like some of the guys, will will start him off

506
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: with a strutter. If they have like a big boss

507
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: Tom that they've been having, you know, trouble with, that's

508
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: the time to put a strutter.

509
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: But it's also.

510
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: Trouble well, like they're just they just have been able

511
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: to get him to go to commit by any other

512
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: way or with other decoys or something like that. But yeah,

513
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean a half stritch jake and a upright hand

514
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: is a great I mean people have done that for

515
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: years and years just starting out and had great success

516
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: with it. And we've had quite a few people at

517
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: the beginning just put out just an upright hand only

518
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 3: and start with that. But if you can afford two decoys, uh,

519
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: Jac and Hen just really covers it. And then after that,

520
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: if you want to improve your odds and you start

521
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: adding in at least like confidence poses like feeders and

522
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: printers and that kind of that, that kind of helps

523
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: a lot.

524
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: Do you.

525
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: My buddy' Zuck when he's putting them out, he likes

526
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: to put him out where he's like, well, yeah, but

527
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: they I could picture him walk in toward that corner,

528
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: and you make sure that that they look like they're

529
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: traveling in direct yeah, into that.

530
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we made a striding hand just for that purpose,

531
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: and when some people a little by, three or four

532
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: of them just for that reason. So we're just trying

533
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: to offer everything and give you lots of options so

534
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: that everyone's confused.

535
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 10: Is there any decoy company that makes realistic looking feet

536
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 10: turkey feet.

537
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I don't know why.

538
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 10: That's the only part of any decoy that's not realistic.

539
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 10: But I mean, by the time they get that close,

540
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 10: it's probably two heats in the grass. But I mean,

541
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 10: you know they've they've all got the state coming down.

542
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 10: And I mean a turkey turkey feet are kind of bright,

543
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 10: you know that bright pink. I just wondered if there's

544
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 10: like if you could and it maybe maybe it's it's

545
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 10: not a factor.

546
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: But there are some things that I can't tell you.

547
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: I can't say right now, but we we we agree it.

548
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 10: Could be like a detachable bipod. I bet I don't

549
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 10: have any inside intel here.

550
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I'll shut out. Oh, I can tell what Dave can't say. Yeah,

551
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean I've detected not can tell. I can't tell you.

552
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 10: I've got some ideas, But.

553
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, feet are a huge part of birds like

554
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: Mallard ducks.

555
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Even sitting on the water.

556
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 10: You can see feet are huge, a huge part of it.

557
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: And Canada geese, especially the large race white cheek geese,

558
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 3: the feet are a huge.

559
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 4: Part of it.

560
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: And and I've fought that battle with the DSD forever,

561
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: like wanting to have full legs and feet. So we

562
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: have legs, but we don't have feet. But the feet

563
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: are really a big part of a goose.

564
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 10: How about a little battery pack where they move like this.

565
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: So it's you're saying that the feet means something to

566
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: a bird. Well, picture that you saw a dude standing

567
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: on a field with no legs, but he was hovering.

568
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: But it's really normal.

569
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because like in our goose hutting, a

570
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: lot of our goose setting is about landing birds and

571
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: having them walking around the decoys. So we somehow we'll

572
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 3: use small spreads but get birds to land, and then

573
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: those are our decoys while we try to get other

574
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: birds come in in case we want to look for

575
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: a like ban or net collar out of the air.

576
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: And it's like, it's probably okay that the decoys don't

577
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: have feet while the birds are coming into land. If

578
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: you wanted to shoot at the first flock that came in,

579
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: it's probably fine land. But once they land they're walking

580
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: around the decoys. It does seem like, I mean, the

581
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: decoys hold birds really well, but it does seem like

582
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: it's just not right that all the decoys are like

583
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 3: hovering there on a post.

584
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: It bothers me. I don't know if it bothers the birds, but.

585
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: It'd be kind of cool to have the complete bird

586
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: for sure.

587
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: But usually they're like sitting in grass. But anyways, I

588
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: got what you're saying.

589
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

590
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: In your guys line up, when did you start making

591
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: turkey decoys? Because you all everything like you were like

592
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: all geese all the time, and then you moved into Brad.

593
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: Is the d S historian, and he's good with dates

594
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's all a blur to me.

595
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 12: So, Brad, it was in eight with our upright hand.

596
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: It was in eight with our upright So can we

597
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: edit that out?

598
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Who's the who paints the Is there a turkey painting specialist?

599
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 12: I mean our whole paint crew paints them.

600
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, is there like, is it divided

601
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: out or to the same people that paint geese paint turkeys.

602
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 12: Oh that's correct, Yeah, that's how we do it.

603
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: It's divided out.

604
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 12: So if they paint geese, they also paint.

605
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Okay, and they get sick of I They kind of

606
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: get sick of painting this one thing for for a

607
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: long long time and they actually like a little bit

608
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: of variety.

609
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: They don't mind going.

610
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: From turkeys to geese and back to you know, turkeys

611
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: and then the deer or something like that.

612
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Got it kind of monot monotonous.

613
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Otherwise, when they paint him, is it a small what

614
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: is the tool? Is a small airbrush they use?

615
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: They use big touch up guns and then small airbrush

616
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: and then a lot of hand painting too, hm so,

617
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: and then there's stencils, stenciling.

618
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't want a dog in any particular decoy company,

619
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: but I remember we used to when we were younger.

620
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: We'd buy like a certain brand of decoys, and a

621
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of times you'd see where they did it was

622
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: automated or something, because the they'd miss yeah, like the

623
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: white patch, Yeah, the spot, Yeah, like the white man

624
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: would be around the bag. It's like, yeah, that's so.

625
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: But when someone buys one, it's been like there's been

626
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: a dude painting on it.

627
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

628
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that.

629
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, No, I don't know for sure.

630
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 12: And there's probably been like five people that contributed to

631
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 12: that one decoy because we don't we don't have like

632
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 12: individual stations where somebody paints a decoy from start to finish,

633
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 12: you know, and put a base later on, and then

634
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 12: you know, progressively, step by step it'll move down to

635
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 12: the next person and so on and so forth until

636
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 12: it's fully painted.

637
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: You ever seen But none of those guys wear braids

638
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: and stuff? Do they? With the little palette?

639
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 13: We know.

640
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: That'd be a good ad campaign. Man's add with a

641
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: brain and a palette doing some touch ups on it.

642
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 8: Put some happy little wattles on a turkey.

643
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say, like that, like on

644
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: the like on the streutter, for example, all that red

645
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 3: is all painted by hand brush and the entire body colored,

646
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: every bit of pearls and irid essence on that that's

647
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: all painted by brush by hand.

648
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: How long does it take to paint a decoy start

649
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: to finish.

650
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

651
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 12: That's you know, we get asked that so often.

652
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: And we have no idea. We don't want to I

653
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: don't want to know.

654
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: But you don't add it up now.

655
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Greg does. But yeah, we're working on

656
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: a new decoy right now. That's really really difficult to

657
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: paint that. I can't I mean I can't really talk

658
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: about it because we're not positive that will come out

659
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: with it.

660
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: But it's really really difficult to paint.

661
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh man, if we figured out how many,

662
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we'll never make a profit with it.

663
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: What it supposed to look like? What kind of animal?

664
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: A bird? A bird one that goes quack like a

665
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Himalayan cock of the rock.

666
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a a temis tragopan.

667
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: What makes it hard the positions into the kind of.

669
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: Bird it's it's a Mallard duck is what we're working

670
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: on right now.

671
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: And it's just a lot of you know, there's just

672
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of airbrushing, a lot of color.

673
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Can I ask a dumb question and don't that's not

674
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: going to offend people?

675
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: How much?

676
00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 13: Does?

677
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 8: Doesn't matter? But I'm not I'm not excited. Don't know,

678
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 8: like if the paint's awful a little bit while the

679
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 8: birds pick it up, or does it matter ten percent

680
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 8: of time?

681
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 10: We've just we have just.

682
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: We just decided a long time ago to just make

683
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: making things as accurate as we possibly can. And I've

684
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: made fish replicas my whole life. And my mentor was

685
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: honestly the best fish replica artists on Earth, Ron Pittard,

686
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: and he just taught me that you just don't You

687
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: just don't stop until something's deadly accurate, and then it

688
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: It has made a huge, huge, huge difference. So you know,

689
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure how much it really matters

690
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: or whatever, but and it's it's not all about oh,

691
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: like I'm doing it for me or anything like that.

692
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Like it's like, shit, no, we want we want birds

693
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: super super super close. We want to make quick, clean kills.

694
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: Everything we do is mostly for our own hunting, and

695
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: it's to be as absolutely as effective as we can.

696
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: We honestly don't give a shit about you know, how

697
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: pretty the decoys are, whether they were carved by a

698
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: world class carver or anything like that. We just we

699
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: just love to hunt and as effectively as we can.

700
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 10: So, I mean, I think but realism is a big

701
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 10: deal with turkey decoys. Yeah, I mean big deal because

702
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 10: guys were the real serious guys years ago and some

703
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 10: still today are are using actual turkey mounts, have real

704
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 10: turkey feathers, and if you're if you're trying to get

705
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 10: him in close, yeah it's it's a big deal.

706
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: You're just hoping it don't rain.

707
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, they get wet.

708
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: Oh there's so many guys that they'll say like, wow,

709
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: we don't like turkey decoys or turkey decoys don't work

710
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: that well and stuff like that. And we've seen a

711
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: lot of footage of birds coming in and they're just

712
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: like hanging up and hanging up like crazy, and they're like, yeah,

713
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: I see, you know, turkey decoays don't work that good,

714
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: but they're using some brand of turkey decoys.

715
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: It just looks horrible.

716
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, that's the problem, and that's telling

717
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: us a lot, and that's kind of driving what we do.

718
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: And it's like most.

719
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: Of the time, if we can get those guys to switch,

720
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: then good things happen.

721
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: But I think on anything that's real persnickety and it

722
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: has a ton of components, people can always say, well

723
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: does that matter, does that matter? Does that matter? And

724
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: be like, I can tell you that the sum total matters.

725
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: And perhaps there's parts within this whole approach that if

726
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: you pulled out it wouldn't affect the outcome, but it's

727
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: not discernible. You can't pick the pieces apart. Meaning if

728
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: someone says, like, just camouflage really matter, I'm like, you're

729
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: never gonna say I would have gotten that had I

730
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: not been wearing camo exactly. It's like, I don't know

731
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: in every situation if if you call a bull in

732
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: or call a turkey in, and you go like, okay,

733
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rerun the universe and start manipulating

734
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: slight different things like I wasn't wearing a glove, my

735
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: turkey was a little shittier, and then my decoy is

736
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: a little bit shittier looking, and then run the scenario

737
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: to the point where you identify the exact thing that

738
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: had to be right or wrong to make it work.

739
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: You don't get there. But if everything's right and you

740
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: just know it works, I don't really care about what

741
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: parts might have been superfluous. Yeah follow me, Yeah, where

742
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: that globe? I don't know. I just got the turkey.

743
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah.

744
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's like with goose hunting.

745
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: A lot of it like the hide is so so

746
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 3: so important, and you know, the calling isn't is important

747
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: if if you're calling at all, and so it's like

748
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: everything really has to be right and you wouldn't want

749
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: to start removing any any part and start taking chances.

750
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like there's no way in the world you

751
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: would say that I would have gotten that gobbler if

752
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: my decoy wasn't as high quality.

753
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Right.

754
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, and then also, like Brad is alluding to, you know,

755
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you could probably get a gobbler, but

756
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: what do you come into ten yards and really interact

757
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: like crazy with the decoy and just have this breathtaking moment.

758
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: It's like, well, maybe he would have came into thirty

759
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: yards and you could have you know, dumped in with

760
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: a shotgun or whatever. Just depends on what level of

761
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: really fun and excitement you want to take it to.

762
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: I sent you guys that video last year of a

763
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of gobblers mounting your posturing him.

764
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we try to look away when that happens, but

765
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: it's like.

766
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard too.

767
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 12: I supposed to watch that.

768
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, get your.

769
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 12: Head out of the gutter.

770
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Oh I got one. I got one last bird question,

771
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: one last turkey question. If if the paint job's so

772
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: realistic and all that, why is there what's up with

773
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: using a real fan or not a real fan? I

774
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: can't tell if it matters.

775
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've we wanted to make an artificial fan. We

776
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: still want to just because it's so durable, because those

777
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: are a pain to deal with for sure. But you know,

778
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 3: we haven't been able to make an artificial fan that

779
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: really has the right finish and and translucency and and

780
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: all that stuff. And and we haven't seen any available

781
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: that are that way too. And you know, we have

782
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: a spectrometer and we use it occasionally. We probably should

783
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: use it more or whatever, but so we can kind

784
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: of check the finish and and the reflection on a

785
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: real bird or a real fan compared to a decoy

786
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And we just haven't been able

787
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: to come up with a real fan that that's durable,

788
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: but we'd love to, you know.

789
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, have you ever thought about doing like map

790
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: spinners and buying and selling fans.

791
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: There's already a company that does that.

792
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: Does you can call them up and buy a Turkey fan?

793
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Well, we we've we sent some customers to them, but

794
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: most of our customers will have a you know.

795
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: I can stack them, dude, I like every year, I

796
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: like go through and and sort them, take the bad ones,

797
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: get rid of them, promote the good ones.

798
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: I was just dusting off my fan pile the other

800
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: day thinking about coming up.

801
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 12: Yeah, turkeys are Turkey fans are one of those things

802
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 12: like I find my stuff every time I clean a bird.

803
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 12: It's sick so hard for to throw it away, you know.

804
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So you think that. Uh so when you're

805
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: setting up, when you guys are setting up, you're setting

806
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: up with a real fan if it's a full struck bird,

807
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Huh you know that some uh

808
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: you know that fanning. Some states are starting to come

809
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: out with rules about creeping up on turkeys with a

810
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: turkey fan.

811
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, yep.

812
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin you can't do that anymore.

813
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 12: And I think maybe even in Kansas you can't reap.

814
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 12: But don't quote me on that.

815
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: Can't move how they spelled it out, You can't move around.

816
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: There's some rule you can't like move around with it.

817
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

818
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and a lot of people have been reaping

819
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: where they they'll take even ardi KOI and get behind

820
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: it and start crawling around. And and I've never done myself,

821
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: but I've even my some of my turkey partners have

822
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: done it. And they'll do it like with three or

823
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: four guys all behind strutters and crawl, you know, crawling up.

824
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: And they've had like this huge bunch of toms just

825
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: come in and just it's like, you know, it looks

826
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: like the Civil War or whatever, you know, and come

827
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: in and just start thrashing them and everything, and then

828
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: they jump out with shotguns and all that stuff.

829
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Whatever.

830
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: It sounds kind of crazy and it sounds kind of dangerous.

831
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's.

832
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I think that's why there. I think that's why states

833
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: are clamping down on it. It's just the risk factor.

834
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we don't want people to do that, for sure.

835
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: There's no way, like like I might, there's no way

836
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: I'll let my kid crawl around with a turkey fan

837
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: on his head, because then my wife be home at

838
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: what like once she got to understand, you know, if

839
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: he got whatever sprayed by a load of shotgun shells

840
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: or load of pellets, and then was asking me about

841
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: what happened, and I was like, oh, I told him

842
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: to take a Turkey's fan and crawl around out in

843
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: the fields just over his face. She's just gonna get mad.

844
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, So.

845
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I don't do it.

846
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 10: I've got a I've got a design idea for your

847
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 10: turkey fan. Okay, I can't tell it. Okay, it's that

848
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 10: good Okay, I like it.

849
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: Uh, Clay, I want you and you and Phillips to

850
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: do heat us up with a little turkey calling actions

851
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: turkey calling, tell me what you're putting in your mouth?

852
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

853
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 10: This so this is I just got these from Jason

854
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 10: this morning. This is the what is this, Jason? That

855
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 10: the tripping hen? Yep, they're usually a little better after

856
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 10: you warm them up a little bit, warm them up

857
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 10: like body temp. I mean, like for a couple of days.

858
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah, that's got a word for.

859
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is.

860
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 10: I can't hear myself.

861
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: It's tough. Your headphones off.

862
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: It's a good gobble.

863
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: That's great, sounds good.

864
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: Your gobbles a little too high pitch?

865
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a real white call.

866
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 12: Have you ever heard of hen try to gobble?

867
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: You know? No, I know people talk about this, but no.

868
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's extremely high pitched.

869
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: Trying to gobbler. Is it just a hen vocalization?

870
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 12: For sure. I've seen them actually like throw their head forward.

871
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: And two years ago I had a Hen come in

872
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: in full straut and I was filming by myself.

873
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. I haven't seen that happen too much.

874
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: But it phelps youat this up?

875
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 8: Well you what's your little bird app that you? You

876
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 8: say this isn't a woodpecker? You're no, I'm I just

877
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 8: want to remind you because you're gonna say that it's

878
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 8: not a woodpecker, but I whatever this is I got

879
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 8: Oh goodness.

880
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Are you really trying to do it? I feel like no,

881
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I didn't.

882
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 8: I was just bringing up that I called this woodpecker,

883
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 8: but you reminded me last time that it wasn't.

884
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: Okay, sound ideas on. You're not gonna trick it. Hold on,

885
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: you don't think it's gonna pick up. He's not gonna

886
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: trick it, really do you'll trick so do some hand calling. Okay,

887
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: I got it up. It says listening for birds. You'll

888
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: trick it with a hen call. Because I can trick

889
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: it with a hen call. You gotta get better than that.

890
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: I think it's something with being in a room or something. Okay,

891
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: phelps you hit it, you stop from it. You hit

892
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the new woodpecker. Call no, no, hit turkey.

893
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: Call?

894
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, who just did something? He no, I just

895
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: took a minute. I got wild turkey. I think it's slow.

896
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I think it's because I finally started calling I'm a

897
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: little better than Clay. You call it, okay, hit it, Okay,

898
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: he's banging it, Clay, that's a new call. Try something different.

899
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: You're not getting it, Phelps, but didn't bring it then,

900
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: so I think we got No, it's not that we

901
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: just got a problem.

902
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: What's the cut? I don't know. It's Jason the what

903
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: the cut?

904
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 8: I think he's got. We actually split a bat wing

905
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 8: on that one, so it's a split down the middle.

906
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 8: And this is a combo cut with we nicked the

907
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 8: second layer a little bit on the open side.

908
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: On this one.

909
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 8: This is a really really light call, like all prof

910
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 8: and then that one's a little bit yeah, I mean

911
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 8: by light call so we can layer in. You know,

912
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 8: most of your tricky calls, there are a lot of doubles,

913
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 8: but I would say the majority of your tricky calls

914
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 8: are going to be triple three pieces of latex. So

915
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 8: like when this one be an ultra light the new

916
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 8: Rain series, it's got prof you know, prophylactic, profilactic, and

917
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 8: a very light piece of latex on top that's cut.

918
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 8: So this call is going to call way lighter than

919
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 8: like a call that Clay has, you know, like three five.

920
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 8: You know, now you're stacking latex. It's almost twice as

921
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 8: thick as this for every piece. So it's to try

922
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 8: to you know, have a louder you can cut on

923
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 8: that call up better located, a little bit louder where

924
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 8: this is going to be more of your real intri kate,

925
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 8: you know, low volume bubble clucks, yelps.

926
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: But lighter is easier for beginners to learn. You don't

927
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: have to learn how to force as much air.

928
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know you can get into like different

929
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 8: styles of tricky callers, you know, like the old school

930
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 8: guys they call like a huff style where you're using

931
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 8: like a lot of diaphragm, a lot of air. Where

932
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 8: like these new calls, it's like just real light air.

933
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 8: You're not having to just you know, get rid of

934
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 8: so much so much air. O can't rip on that

935
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 8: one a little bit. This No, no, not the woodpecker yet.

936
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 8: I liked you did a woodpecker. The perf not real

937
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 8: good this morning, Clay, you're digging around. I know what

938
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 8: you got nowt Now he's got the casper, which will

939
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 8: be like our ultra light.

940
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Like ghost cuts like.

941
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 14: Kiki's Merlin's Merlin's perking right up on that one.

942
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: So it likes a little higher pitch call. Well, like

943
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: I said, it likes everything when you're outside.

944
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: Well, I remember the.

945
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: One time you were sitting on a tree and you

946
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: had like forty two birds going no, like like, I

947
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: think it's something weird happens when you're outside any like

948
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: any kind of turkey column, it will usually like picker,

949
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: start bringing it. Yeah, now let me see your let

950
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: me see your woodpecker. So this is our new guy

951
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: work with James Harrison again. But I want, I want

952
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Clay tell them our woodpecker problem, the woodpecker debate.

953
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 10: Which one man about I rebuild woodpeckers.

954
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: About my blue jay call and all that.

955
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 10: Oh just like just just like shot shot gobbling calls shot.

956
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what me and Clay's debate is about

957
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: shot gobblin.

958
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: I think that.

959
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: I think that a good shot gobble is something that

960
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: gets shot gobbles. Yeah, Clay thinks a good shot gobble

961
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: is something that sounds exactly like accurate, like a bird

962
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: an owl. Right, I don't care if it sounds like

963
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I had, Like I like, hey, if you want shot gobbles.

964
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: I've said, so you'd be you.

965
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 10: Want if you want to about two different things.

966
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: Now, I'm moderate. If we're talking about turkey hunt we're

967
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: talking about turkey decoys, We're talking about turkey calls. Okay, right,

968
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about turkey hunting, right right, So set in

969
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: the scene talking about turkey hunting. Okay, we're here to

970
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: talk about turkey hunting. Yes, been talking about turkey hunting.

971
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: Shot gobbles are elicited by in my view, shock op

972
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: gobbles are best elicited by like sudden, very sharp, disruptive sounds.

973
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 10: Correct, Yeah, okay, Okay, are you done?

974
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: He is not that turkey is not sitting there thinking God,

975
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: was that a real albel He's not, but he when

976
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: he gobbled, he gobbles, he gobbles quicker and he can think.

977
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with you. The difference between what you're

978
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 10: doing and what I'm trying to do and what I

979
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 10: appreciate and realism and all levels of woodsmanship is the

980
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 10: difference between in casting and fly fishing. The difference because

981
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 10: when I go into the woods, it's it's it's like

982
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 10: it's like now, not necessarily me. I'm not the best

983
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 10: out hooter nor the best turkey caller. But you go

984
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 10: down with some of some of these guys from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas.

985
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 10: These guys that man, they out hoot with their mouth.

986
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 10: They sound like a turkey. I mean, you just fit

987
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 10: into nature. So it is really a stylistic thing.

988
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

989
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could go out and do a spin casting.

990
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: Fly casting.

991
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 10: I mean it's the same thing like.

992
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: You think, you think a really good bad you think

993
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: there's you think a really good bass fisherman style, a

994
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: really good bass fisherman that can land that that can

995
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: land three eight times.

996
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 10: That was a great analogy. You see what I'm saying.

997
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 10: I mean it's like in the woods. I don't want

998
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 10: people to know, Wow, Steven Ell just slammed his.

999
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Cardiff or has an air horn.

1000
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 10: Ye, you're like, you just want to sound like I

1001
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 10: was what I was resenting.

1002
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: And I resent this more than your take on owl

1003
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: hooting and all that. No, I appreciate it, good owl hoot.

1004
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't think it in terms of getting

1005
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: a gobble.

1006
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 10: I don't think it does.

1007
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I take offense at your thing that you were going

1008
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: to go down some path that like that that somehow

1009
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: fly casting is somehow like more poetic or.

1010
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 10: When when I'm in the woods, I want to I

1011
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 10: want to be I don't want someone on the next ridge.

1012
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: To go that dude just out and you think spin

1013
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: fishing is louder.

1014
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 10: I thought this was going to be the best analogy

1015
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 10: ever done.

1016
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: Would both of you go just what.

1017
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 10: People say, like you're you're going to the river to fish.

1018
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 10: A spin caster is just trying to get the job done.

1019
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 10: A fly fisherman is trying to do as are bobbing

1020
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 10: their heads here. So I'm just saying, yeah, you can

1021
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 10: get a turkey to gobble all different ways. I agree

1022
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 10: with that, but there's some there's some art, there's some

1023
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 10: new craft inside of you know, your crow call, your

1024
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 10: alcohol play.

1025
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: It took my croll call and wrote this is a

1026
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: blue jay call on it?

1027
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: Oh disrespect?

1028
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, because it is. That's all Him'm trying

1029
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: to replicate it.

1030
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 10: See that would have helped me the first time I

1031
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 10: heard him blow it, if I would have known he

1032
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 10: was trying to do a blue jay.

1033
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1034
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 8: We had this conversation multiple times just at the show, like, well,

1035
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 8: what's the difference between the wood alt hooter and the

1036
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 8: pro I said, well, the wood owt hooter actually sounds better.

1037
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 8: It's cheaper, but for a hunting call, I want to

1038
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 8: be able to crank that thing up, not sound quite

1039
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 8: like an owl, but be able to reach the next

1040
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 8: ridge over and get that response and still kind of

1041
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 8: sound like, you know, the best alcohol we can build.

1042
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 8: And so there's there's a lot of that, like just

1043
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 8: being the best hunting call. But then like you know,

1044
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 8: we had that conversation with Dave, like not willing to

1045
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 8: cut any corners and just be the absolute best decoy

1046
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 8: where on calls, especially you know, shock gobble calls in particular,

1047
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 8: I'm willing to cut a few more corners where like,

1048
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 8: you know, the new triple locator, it's twice as loud

1049
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 8: as anything out there. Yeah, I could have made it

1050
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 8: maybe a touch more accurate, but it's just dialed in.

1051
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 8: It still sounds like the woodpecker. It still sounds like

1052
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 8: an owl scream, but I designed it for more volumes,

1053
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 8: so maybe we lost a little bit of that quality.

1054
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: So that's fly fishing. But it's like you're on.

1055
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying.

1056
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: To cut it's still technically fly fishing.

1057
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 8: So you're you're gonna you're gonna blow on a pilliated call? Yeah,

1058
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 8: or what are our hunting piliated woodpecker?

1059
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: Call?

1060
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 8: Is very loud, you guys are Day's probably gonna really

1061
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 8: hate it.

1062
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: But uh but I don't know.

1063
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 8: We had this in Kansas last year and it did

1064
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 8: not pick up, and so I'm a little but there's

1065
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 8: a lot of weirdness about what picks up and don't

1066
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 8: pick up because what I found, like.

1067
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: Like outside inside is a big difference.

1068
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 4: We'll see.

1069
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that sounds good though, man, pick up.

1070
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 8: My favorite thing to do is like come down out

1071
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 8: of my office. I think all the workers are just

1072
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 8: down there putting stuff together, and.

1073
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: Just hit them with a woodpecker call.

1074
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Hit it again. That sounds good though, Oh yeah.

1075
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 8: And then this, uh James Harrison, the out hooter, you know,

1076
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 8: wins all the contests.

1077
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you know our olhooter.

1078
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: He just told me.

1079
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 8: Out of the twenty nine people calling it the Grand

1080
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 8: National Championship, twenty four of them, I think, O, what

1081
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 8: ol hooter? Out of twenty nine, that's seriously yeah, like

1082
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 8: legit phelps out hooter.

1083
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1084
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 8: And then we got the al scream, which this is

1085
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 8: his thing. Twenty four out of twenty nine guys are

1086
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 8: using your ol hooter. According to James Harrison on the

1087
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 8: stage at the NWTF convention, do.

1088
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: You think it's fair that they could be using any

1089
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of call at all for I mean for a competition.

1090
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: What do you mean fair?

1091
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 8: Fair as in like, uh, I would think if you

1092
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 8: were having an al hooting competition, you'd have to also

1093
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 8: have a no just raw voice.

1094
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 10: Well, that's a whole different competition, and they.

1095
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 15: They've them more towards the calls they have. Man, Hey,

1096
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 15: in Arkansas, Bentonville, Arkansas, March ninth, we're having a natural

1097
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 15: voice out hooting contest at the Black Burbonanza. We are

1098
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 15: making it into the world's premiere natural voice out hooting contest.

1099
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: So so you're so they divide out natural voice. Yeah,

1100
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: that's all we do. Okay, hit me, hit me with one.

1101
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: Clay Oh, I.

1102
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 10: Could never do him on call. I had a guy

1103
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 10: to show the other day come up to me and

1104
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 10: was like, hey, Clay, give me an alhot. It was terrible.

1105
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 10: I was embarrassed.

1106
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: I was like, get here home, everybody be quiet, give

1107
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: me another one.

1108
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 10: So I didn't pick up.

1109
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: No, it's not doing well. No, because I know you're

1110
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: I know yours pick up and what was killing Clay

1111
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: or what was killing Seth Morris is we are calling? Uh,

1112
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: we were calling owls.

1113
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 12: You were there.

1114
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: Seth was there and he could just get the owl

1115
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: to come in, get the owl to answer, but the

1116
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: app wouldn't pick it up, and he had to keep

1117
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: messing and messing and messing, and he had to change

1118
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: his call so the app would pick up, and it

1119
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: wound up being in the in the gurgle at the end. Oh,

1120
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: he had to manipulate his own girl. He had to

1121
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: like customize it to try to get picked off by

1122
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: the app. But outside yours picks off. But I don't know.

1123
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, do that one again.

1124
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: I want to hear that again. That sounds good.

1125
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: Doctor Woodpecker, do the il scream.

1126
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: Let me hear the I want to hear the woodpecker. Get.

1127
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: I want to to pill.

1128
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 8: I'll scream. Will just be like a pitch break. You've

1129
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 8: all heard the owl scream like early in the morning.

1130
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Now here's why I think before you do this, I

1131
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: think that like sure sounded like a bird.

1132
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: That's great.

1133
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Forgetting gob It's like it's

1134
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: like it's so all of a sudden, and it's so

1135
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: you can't ignore it, yep, because the thing is, how

1136
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: many times in most places, if you're sitting there waiting

1137
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: for you to light out, first thing you're gonna hear

1138
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: in a lot of airs, you're gonna hear a northern

1139
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: cardinal and he's gonna be the first thing in the morning.

1140
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna hear crows, right, they're just gonna

1141
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: be like if you're paying attention, there's always a carverywhere

1142
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: going off, and I just think it loses its.

1143
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, where that's where the woodpecker, Like you do the

1144
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 8: pretty and like when you're out hunting, you can literally

1145
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 8: hit the first one and be done and get the

1146
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 8: same response like he's already gobbling from that one.

1147
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1148
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 8: But back to Clay's point, I want to be somewhat

1149
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 8: accurate and like finish out sounded like a woodpecker, so

1150
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 8: you finish Hey, could.

1151
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: It not be?

1152
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 10: I think there's an argument to be made that realism

1153
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 10: might make a difference, because like, if you're hunting a

1154
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 10: super smart, wary bird that's had four years of hunting pressure,

1155
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 10: and you walk up there with an air horn and

1156
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 10: and he's heard he's not coming, the truck pull up

1157
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 10: and maybe he gobbles at it, but he's and I mean,

1158
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 10: I don't he doesn't have the brain power to think, oh,

1159
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 10: that's Steve Arnell over there, but he's just like maybe

1160
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 10: you know.

1161
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing I do wonder about. Is I wonder

1162
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: about the difference because we're talking. That's two things. That's

1163
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: eliciting a gobble okay, And then there's is he gonna

1164
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: come over like does he just did he just add

1165
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: something to his knowledge base where it's like that wasn't

1166
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: the real I gobbled? But yeah, I used to get

1167
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: mega gobbles off of a rabbit distress call. I mean

1168
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: mega like way off gobbles. But then I'm thinking, Okay,

1169
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: he gobbled, But is he really gonna come mosying over

1170
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: here later? Like you know, look, habits die, Yeah, well

1171
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: you do like a rabbit, I would just go right

1172
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: and you get gobbles. But is he is he then

1173
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: put in his head like that to me, is not

1174
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: an area I'm going to go to. I think over

1175
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: yonder where the rabbits die. Yet Yeah, that's no mount

1176
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: of hand calling, no mount of hand calling from that area.

1177
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: It's going to feel right to me because I just

1178
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: log that as like I gobble to it, but you're

1179
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: not could talk me to go in there?

1180
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, the same reason like Eastern Washington, Kyle Howell's work

1181
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 8: great for locating, especially later in the day. But you're like,

1182
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 8: if you want to try to call that burden, like

1183
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 8: in my mind at least the picture in painting, like,

1184
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 8: why is this burd gonna come home all the time?

1185
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 4: Man?

1186
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1187
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: The only thing I would add is like I do

1188
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: agree that there's something to be said for a short

1189
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: call to get a shot gobble, because then you can

1190
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: hear them gobble, you know, which is like if you

1191
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: do a long drawn out call, it's like, hey, well,

1192
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you guys don't have a problem I

1193
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: do with my hearing, like I gotta stop quickly. It's

1194
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: I can hear him. But also then you know where

1195
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 3: he's at, you could go, you could go to him.

1196
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: And then I also agree one hundred percent with what

1197
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: you're saying about how they kind of can't help themselves.

1198
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: Like if you watch you know, three Tom's gobble, and

1199
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: it appears that they're gobbling at exactly the same time,

1200
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: but if you watch carefully, it's always one of them gobbled. First,

1201
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: you know, there's two ors just a split second behind,

1202
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: and that is just sort of an involuntary response, and

1203
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: that can be the same thing I think with the

1204
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: shot gobble.

1205
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay, hit the so oh I want to I want

1206
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: to add on that. The thing that causes tension between

1207
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: me and my turkey hunting friends is it they think

1208
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: that I start walking too quickly after making my shot

1209
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: gobble noise, Joannie gets irritated. I don't give it enough beats.

1210
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 8: But I'm like, he would have already gobbled. Yeah, I'm

1211
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 8: on team Renela on this one.

1212
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: Like shot you don't need to stay in there for

1213
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: a minute.

1214
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 8: Even five ten seconds, Like that's too much. If he gobbles,

1215
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 8: it's on his own. I'll do it, I'll go I'll

1216
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 8: be like on.

1217
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking on set, man, That's why I walked

1218
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: till twenty I'm like, dude, you might hear a gobble,

1219
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: but it's not never related.

1220
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 16: Dear.

1221
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just regular listening. You're not listening.

1222
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 13: Man.

1223
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 10: The best turkey hunters that I've ever hunted with do

1224
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 10: very little early morning shot goblin. I mean I think

1225
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 10: there's a there's more.

1226
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: Depends so much on the air area, man.

1227
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, just just the patients that I see in

1228
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 10: some of these guys that I mean, they're not well

1229
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 10: known people, just like really good turkey hunters. Man, they

1230
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 10: let that turkey gobble on his own most of the time.

1231
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 10: And I mean they carry a shot gobble or can

1232
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 10: owl or crow with their mouth and and use that.

1233
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 10: But I would say the number one way to identify

1234
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 10: a beginner or novice turkey hunter is how much they're

1235
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 10: shot using shot gobble.

1236
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: It's too dependent. Sure, if you're in a high density

1237
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: area whatever. If you're like out in the never ending

1238
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: Ponderosa pine grassland stuff right and you and it's cute,

1239
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna go miles between anything.

1240
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think we're talking about too.

1241
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 11: It's just kind of hunt.

1242
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, you're like somewhere out in this ten

1243
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: square miles there might be a gobbler. And if I'm

1244
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: gonna find a bird over the next two days, I'm

1245
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to hunt very aggressively and try to get

1246
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: a because any mine is sitting here listening is like

1247
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to find a bird. Yeah. It's just different.

1248
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1249
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1250
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 10: More of what I'm talking about is back East hunting.

1251
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 10: Hunting a bird that you maybe you know, the smaller ground,

1252
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 10: you might be spending your whole morning in a you know,

1253
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 10: a square mile or less or you know, maybe one

1254
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 10: hundred and sixty acres. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna

1255
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 10: play the patient game, all.

1256
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 8: Right, go on, So I'm gonna try the James Harrison

1257
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 8: is a pro with this thing, but we developed it

1258
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 8: as an oul screamer as well.

1259
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: Oh that gets them.

1260
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 8: I mean just once again, just big loud bursts. Like

1261
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 8: I said, I probably just did that call. No justice,

1262
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 8: that's his side. I was more I want a woodpecker call.

1263
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: But now that right there is for getting gobbles, just

1264
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: high pitched. What you do with them, what you call

1265
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: that the spincaster, no what like that gets a gobble.

1266
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: What you do with them afterward is up to you.

1267
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: But that's gonna get a gobbyl Yeah, And that's that's

1268
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: why I in this call. Like I said, we could

1269
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: have way more or maybe not on the ile screamers.

1270
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: I had been on the woodpecker.

1271
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 8: You know, I had more accurate sounds, but then we

1272
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 8: kept adding more volume, made it loud because like I say,

1273
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 8: I'm I'm a hunter at heart. I just want these

1274
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 8: things to answer, so I can start the game and

1275
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 8: then go from there. There's two contests. There's two tournaments.

1276
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 8: I'm trying to figure out how to conduct. I want

1277
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 8: to have a world I want to have a glassing invitational.

1278
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 10: I love that where you have set out, not set.

1279
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: Out, Okay, I want it to be real. So I

1280
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: want to have a glassing invitational where you go to

1281
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: a good area and there's judges and to score a point,

1282
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: you so to find an original find, you put a scope.

1283
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: You put a spotting scope on it, and the judge comes, looks,

1284
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: verifies to find and that's like one hundred points now

1285
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: one betted next to it or whatever those are fifties

1286
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: or twenty fives. Once you make a find, the judge

1287
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: sort of like declares that that find area closed or

1288
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: everyone's operating out of a little structure like a little.

1289
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 10: Beach tent, so they have the opportunity to find it.

1290
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: So you don't know, so all the competitors can't tell

1291
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: where someone's looking. So figure that out, and like you

1292
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: get a point, and you set up at daybreak and

1293
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: you have till eleven, and it's like the World Glassing Championship,

1294
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: like it I love it to be a great compound competition.

1295
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: The other exciting to watch. No, I would love it.

1296
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: I would love it.

1297
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 10: I could be like a golf commentator.

1298
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: I thought about it, hide little things out, but I

1299
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: don't think it should be like that, because stuff pops.

1300
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 10: If everybody was looking at the same landscape, it would

1301
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 10: be fair.

1302
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: No, but you want to be an area, and I

1303
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: know I know right where I would hold it. I

1304
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: know right the hill, I know the mount, the peak

1305
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: I would go to to conduct it.

1306
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 10: Dude, listen, I'll be one of the commentators. I will

1307
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 10: on the live stream and then we'll have have like

1308
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 10: roped off with people along the sides, like a golf tournament,

1309
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 10: and every time somebody does a find will and I'll

1310
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 10: be like, oh, that was a beautiful fine.

1311
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: By the other, my other tournament is the World Shot

1312
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: Gobbling Invitational. And I don't know how to conduct it.

1313
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 10: Hmmm. Yeah, you'd have like categories like just a listening

1314
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 10: freestyle unlimited freestyle. It's freestyle unlimited listening gobbles. I don't

1315
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 10: know how to make it equal though.

1316
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: Another nail bitter.

1317
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who can elicit the most? It have to

1318
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: be like days long to rule out to rule out

1319
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: incidentals or not not to rule incidentals, to rule out

1320
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: the freaks. It had to be ten days, you know,

1321
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: big commitment to be like, oh, he just got the

1322
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: good spot that morning. But over time you're gonna see

1323
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: you're Over time, you're gonna see a champion emerged, a trend,

1324
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: someone that just can listen gobbles, and it's probably going

1325
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: to be, unfortunately, a dude with an airhorn.

1326
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 10: It's going to put to rist all of our theories.

1327
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 10: If you can figure out how to give away a

1328
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 10: truck at both of those you, I am.

1329
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: Going to do the glassing the glassing invitational. I'm serious about.

1330
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: I think you could pull off a glassing invitational for sure. Oh, Dave,

1331
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: you know another thing I wanted to ask about. Just

1332
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: change the subject a little bit. You guys are you

1333
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: guys decoys are? Tell me about American made decoys.

1334
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: All our Treky decoys are made in America, always have been.

1335
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: And uh, it's difficult, and it's expensive, and.

1336
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: But the quality is really good. They're super durable.

1337
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: And we love our crew and they're good, they're good people,

1338
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: and that's just how we decided to do it.

1339
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: And and but you could, there would have been an

1340
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: easier way to do it. Like, it's not like out

1341
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: of necessity.

1342
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, I mean like we're I mean,

1343
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: we're I'm almost the only USA MA Turkey decoy.

1344
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 10: There might be a few Q the national anthem phill, but.

1345
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: Most decoys are pain are what overseas.

1346
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: They're blow molded, you know, polyathlene made in China, and

1347
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 3: you know there's nothing wrong with that. It makes the

1348
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: lightweight and and inexpensive and all that stuff.

1349
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: But can you pull that mic a little bit closer?

1350
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 4: Dave?

1351
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: Sorry, Mike, microphone close. I'm sorry, You're good, Thank you?

1352
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: Oh Dave? How much you've been here? And have you

1353
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: been hearing most of everything today?

1354
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: Much better without the without the headphones? He that no, No,

1355
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: I did.

1356
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 13: A dog.

1357
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it is. We're able to make like

1358
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: a really really super durable decoy, which is kind of nice.

1359
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like, we have one video of Brad shooting

1360
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: a decoy and it's on purpose, It wasn't an accident

1361
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 3: or anything. He's shut out of decoy with heavy shot

1362
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: from ten yards away and goes and picks up the

1363
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: decoy and you absolutely cannot find a mark on it

1364
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 3: anywhere and you pick it up. He picks it up

1365
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: and shakes it and it's just absolutely full of shot.

1366
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: But it's and I've shot several well, not several, I

1367
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: guess twice. I've shot through Tom's and had the arrow

1368
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 3: go into the decoy kind of you know the arrow, Yeah,

1369
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 3: and then pull the arrow, pull the arrow out, and

1370
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: and you can't really see where the arrow was.

1371
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: It's like that Arnold Schwarzenegger had to fight in uh yeah,

1372
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: that silver guy.

1373
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, terminator, Yeah, you heard him.

1374
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: It just goes back to normal.

1375
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not quite like that, but almost the same. Yeah.

1376
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: But when you started out, you know, why does it

1377
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: wind up being overseason and why not? I mean people

1378
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: launch them overseas, like if you if you started when

1379
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: you start out, you're just making a few of them, right,

1380
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: So obviously when you were making a few of them yourself,

1381
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: you like you didn't even think about whether you'd make

1382
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: them overseas or make them in America because you're just

1383
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: making a handful. Yeah, and there's some point at which

1384
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: it would just you'd have to decide that it would

1385
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: now make sense to have a manufactured elsewhere or not. Right, Yeah.

1386
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean so far, we haven't had any major, major

1387
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 3: plans to make any Turkey decoys overseas, but it might

1388
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: be something that we'd offer, like especially if we could.

1389
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, we just want to offer as many different

1390
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: options as possible for people, so you know, you can

1391
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: make it lighter weight and less expensive. So and the

1392
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: thing is is, like like our half strut Jake, we

1393
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: had a guy that just loved that decoy and thought

1394
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 3: it was the greatest thing ever. And he kind of

1395
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: told us that he he made this offer to us

1396
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 3: where he would promote it and but he would need

1397
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: like this huge percentage of all the sales, and we

1398
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: kind of told him to take a hike. And next thing,

1399
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: you know, he took it straight to China and did

1400
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: a really really hard campaign, like got to the point

1401
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 3: where he had most people convinced that we uh copied him.

1402
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: It took us.

1403
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: Three years of literally like one by one content contacting

1404
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 3: people that were just you know, promoting his decoy like crazy,

1405
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: of telling him the truth and setting them straight, and

1406
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: took us three years to recover from from that. And

1407
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: they eventually he eventually went out of business and all

1408
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: that stuff because people are basically good and our customers

1409
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: are are unbelievably great to us and they stood by

1410
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: us and you know, learn the truth and everything like that.

1411
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: So we we deal with that.

1412
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: And there's we have other decoys where you know, these

1413
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: companies that we've known of for a long long time

1414
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they have a Turkey decoy

1415
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 3: and it's just like, it looks so much like our decoy.

1416
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous and that that happens and it's kind

1417
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: of flattering, but it's kind of annoying too and stuff

1418
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 3: like that.

1419
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: But and those are.

1420
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: All made overseas, so that's a little bit difficult because

1421
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden they're able to charge a

1422
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 3: lot less for it. And the thing is, it's like

1423
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 3: because we make decoys uh in America and have made

1424
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 3: goose decoys in America, so we have to we do

1425
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 3: have to charge a lot because the materials are very

1426
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: very expensive, like that material that's so durable is super

1427
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 3: super expensive, and so we do have to charge a

1428
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 3: lot unfortunately for our for our decoys. So then the

1429
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 3: competitors they've really benefited from that because now they they'll

1430
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 3: make it a Dey and China and they'll be like, well,

1431
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, DSD is charging you know, you know, two

1432
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for a Turkey decoy, so we could probably

1433
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: charge one eighty or something like it, whereas our costs

1434
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: are dramatically different.

1435
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: But you guys don't like, you don't package and tell,

1436
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: you don't like overtell that it's all designed and made

1437
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: in America. I mean, you're sure, says DSD decoy's USA,

1438
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: but I could be they're based in the USA.

1439
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we probably should push that a little harder.

1440
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: Especially especially if people are trying to bone you over.

1441
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1442
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean point taking, Yeah, we probably should.

1443
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: My idea for the tail fan was American flag.

1444
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, Paul with with with f HF you guys, uh,

1445
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 17: you guys got you guys fight it all the time

1446
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 17: on made in America.

1447
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 12: We do.

1448
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 6: And we're sort of in the same boat with Day

1449
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 6: where we started out. I started out making this in

1450
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 6: a spare bedroom, so certainly wasn't going to have anything

1451
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 6: made overseas. I was doing custom work and really kind

1452
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 6: of started in the tactical world where that was much

1453
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 6: more of a thing like hunting versus tactical. The customers

1454
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 6: typically want to see a US made product, I think

1455
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 6: in the tactical space. In the tactical space for.

1456
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: Sure, because you're dealing with people who are like, like

1457
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: by definition like patriot, patriotic.

1458
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, patriots and preppers and just tactical guys former military,

1459
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 6: current military that kind of stuff, law enforcement, and then

1460
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 6: moving into the hunting market. I think it's come to

1461
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 6: a point now where there is a significant amount of

1462
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 6: the customers that do want to see a US made product,

1463
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 6: But there's also a lot and we deal with it

1464
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 6: all the time where people are like, well, I can

1465
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 6: buy buy it for twenty dollars on Amazon, you know,

1466
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 6: something that's close or a direct copy like Dave talks about,

1467
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 6: And you know, it just depends on the customer really

1468
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 6: and what they put as important to them.

1469
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: But the part I don't get about it is when

1470
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: you talk about the cost thing, how you're talking about

1471
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: shipping it halfway around the world, Like, how does that

1472
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: you'd think that if you took a person from outer space,

1473
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 1: like you take a guy comes from Mars and you're like, hey,

1474
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: I want to ask you question, what do you think

1475
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: costs more me to sell a thing here in Montana? Okay,

1476
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: it was made in America, Or would it cost more

1477
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: if I had it made on another continent halfway around

1478
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: the world and then scent it over here. That person

1479
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: would say, oh, it'd be a lot cheaper to make

1480
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: it here. Why would you mail it all the way

1481
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: across the world.

1482
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 6: Well, I think that it probably used to be. The

1483
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 6: biggest thing is the labor costs overseas. You can just

1484
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 6: you know, people, I don't know what they're our wages

1485
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 6: in China or Bangladesh, but it's certainly not as much.

1486
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: As a dollar or two.

1487
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 6: The people that are making stuff here in the US,

1488
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 6: and all of our stuff is made here, and so

1489
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 6: you know, the factories we use are paying their people

1490
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 6: well and treating their people well, and they have you know,

1491
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 6: their middle class jobs, and many of those have disappeared

1492
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 6: over the years.

1493
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 4: Where you know, it used to be.

1494
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 6: The textile market, you know, mills, sewing, everything was done here.

1495
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 6: And this was brought in, you know, as far back

1496
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 6: as right after the Revolutionary War for reasons for like

1497
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 6: national security and just independence to have all of that

1498
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 6: stuff done here locally, just like weapons manufacturing, All of

1499
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 6: that stuff was brought here. But you know, starting in

1500
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 6: the eighties, I just disappeared out of the country. So

1501
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 6: it's really hard to find factories in the US that

1502
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 6: can do a good job of it at scale, at

1503
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 6: the scale we need especially. I mean many of these places,

1504
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 6: you know, they will take in order, but they want

1505
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 6: you order half a million of something in order to

1506
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 6: make it worth their time, whereas you know, we're just

1507
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 6: not at that scale, and the costs are significantly higher,

1508
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 6: and it just makes it very hard, you know, both

1509
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 6: the materials as well as that the labor to actually

1510
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 6: put something together. You know, we do our best, again

1511
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 6: sort of coming from that tactical world in the even

1512
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,480
Speaker 6: the Bay Amendment compliance stuff, which is a defense requirement

1513
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 6: for buying military gear, you know, made in the US,

1514
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 6: many of the materials have to be made here, and

1515
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 6: so we do our best to source those materials here.

1516
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 6: Being that they're sourced here, they don't have to go

1517
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 6: overseas to be put in place. But we do struggle

1518
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 6: sometimes define the best materials in the US, because I

1519
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 6: don't know whether we.

1520
01:16:58,120 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: Say the best materials in the US, you mean the

1521
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: best materials produced in.

1522
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 6: The US, correct, And there are some things that just

1523
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 6: aren't made here anymore. Certain things, or if they are

1524
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 6: made here, they may not be as good because that

1525
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 6: technology has been exported over the last thirty years and

1526
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 6: there just isn't a way to get it made here.

1527
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 6: A stupid example is our zipper poles. Like I almost

1528
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 6: bought a machine to make our little molded zipper poles

1529
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 6: on a cord, because there's maybe one of your listeners knows,

1530
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 6: but I cannot find a place anywhere in the US

1531
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 6: to have those made. The only closest thing I found

1532
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 6: was a machine that I would have had to order

1533
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 6: from China and get here to make those one at

1534
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 6: a time. And they just mold a zipper pool.

1535
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: What party talking about just.

1536
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 4: The poles on.

1537
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 6: I mean that's why I use bump the cord and

1538
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 6: the knotted cord on all the zippers because I mean

1539
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 6: on our little pouches, we do a little plastic zipper pool.

1540
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you mean there's no one in America making

1541
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 8: that or that you.

1542
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 4: Found, not that I've found.

1543
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 6: I mean you can find a piece of cord with

1544
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 6: some shrink tube on it, but you know, like a

1545
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 6: molded nice you know, something you can put a logo

1546
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 6: in and you know, make it look nice. There just isn't.

1547
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 6: That's just one example. But there are fabrics that we use,

1548
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 6: and we use a few of them that are made overseas,

1549
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 6: but many of those are done that way because, you know,

1550
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 6: to be honest, many of the best, like bag manufacturers,

1551
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 6: are in Vietnam because that's where all the technology is,

1552
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 6: it's where all the talent is over there. It is

1553
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 6: a considered a good job. It's a professional job to

1554
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 6: have that job, and these people work in the industry

1555
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 6: for a long time and get good at it. In

1556
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 6: the US, it's very hard to find the labor to

1557
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 6: do that, and so, you know, to be honest, you know,

1558
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 6: many of the factories end up hiring folks who have

1559
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 6: immigrated to this country or brought that expertise with them, yeah,

1560
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 6: or you know, have had family members that work, you know,

1561
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 6: have worked in that industry for years and kind of

1562
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 6: come up with it.

1563
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 4: But those are fewer and fewer and fewer, it seems like.

1564
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 6: So it's just a it's a weird self perpetuating problem

1565
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 6: trying to find find both the materials as well as

1566
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 6: the labor and the talent to get that done in

1567
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 6: the States. And it's expensive.

1568
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: So if if everything, if everything of f HF gear

1569
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: is made in the USA. Does that Does that mean

1570
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: that you can't buy but you can still buy a

1571
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: material made somewhere else or is that not true? Yeah?

1572
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 4: I mean technically.

1573
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 6: For us to say made in the USA, you know,

1574
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 6: virtually all of it has to be here, and we

1575
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 6: do our best to source everything locally, you know, domestically,

1576
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 6: like I said, like zipper poles.

1577
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 4: You know, there's.

1578
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 6: Please reach out if you know somebody who will make those,

1579
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 6: but you know, for the most part we do our best.

1580
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 6: And then you know, there's the difference would be like

1581
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 6: assembled in the say, where you might have you know,

1582
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 6: components like say the shoulder harness and the pouch made

1583
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 6: in two different countries and brought here and put together,

1584
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 6: and that would be assembled in the US. Or if

1585
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 6: you bought everything, all of your materials from overseas sources

1586
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 6: and brought those here and sewed them together, that might

1587
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 6: be assembled in the US. The other option would be

1588
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 6: in it. We've struggled even with production companies. We had

1589
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,959
Speaker 6: one for a while that went out of business. Thankfully,

1590
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 6: unbeknownst to us, they were sending stuff to Mexico.

1591
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: We were on the slide.

1592
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were making and paying for them to make

1593
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 6: it in the US. And this was one product years

1594
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 6: and years ago when I was still in my basement,

1595
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 6: but they were the last one that came out of

1596
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 6: the box. I found a little tag on it that

1597
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 6: I think they used to get through customs that said

1598
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 6: made in Mexico. And I'm like really, and I'm like,

1599
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 6: you dirty rats, because they gave me a price for

1600
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 6: USA made or NAFTA compliant or you know, Asia pricing,

1601
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 6: and I paid for the US made stuff. And they

1602
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 6: figured out this little guy in his basement can probably

1603
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 6: wouldn't know the difference, and he'll pay us a little

1604
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 6: more if we get it made somewhere.

1605
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: And they went out of business.

1606
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, they went out of business.

1607
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: If when you look at the at that the doppel

1608
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: bag you're working on, it has the I know, you

1609
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: mess around with a bunch of different fabrics, yep. And

1610
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: and uh, you'd give me bags and I'd bring them

1611
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: back to you after you're broken. Well, I'd be like,

1612
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, the bag baggage handler or brade and whatever

1613
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: this stuff happens to him mostly that yep. I mean,

1614
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: anything you ever gave me would wound up being that

1615
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: the guy, it looks.

1616
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 8: Like it got stuck stuck in the conveyor We got

1617
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 8: jammed in the conveyor belt.

1618
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,520
Speaker 1: And then you uh settled on that sale cloth. Where's

1619
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: that made?

1620
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 6: That is made overseas. That specific fabric is made overseas.

1621
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 6: Part of the reason I chose that is because of

1622
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 6: the color availability. Availability of the fabric again becomes a challenge.

1623
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 6: And that bag is actually a mix of US fabrics

1624
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 6: and the sailcloth, but it's one hundred percent recycled, and

1625
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 6: it's done in a facility over there that I mean,

1626
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 6: as you guys probably where almost all recycling is done overseas.

1627
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 6: Half the stuff you throw in your recycle bin either

1628
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 6: ends up with the landfill or on a boat to

1629
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 6: go get recycled.

1630
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: O kinceled. Like the recycling chain is like an overseas chain.

1631
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 4: That's a whole other. Yeah, get down the YouTube and

1632
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: go down that rabbit hole.

1633
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: But where it's actually happening.

1634
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, most of it is done overseas.

1635
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 6: And so this specific factory is recycling, and this this fabric,

1636
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 6: it's a polyester you know, using recycled bottles and whatnot,

1637
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 6: is one hundred percent recycled. The film is recycled as

1638
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,480
Speaker 6: well as the adhesive is a non solvent based adhesive

1639
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 6: that actually works better with UV resistance and it's actually

1640
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 6: more waterproof. So in this case, I think for this application,

1641
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 6: it was just a better fabric to use. But yeah,

1642
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 6: that one ends up being overseas, although the base of

1643
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 6: it is a US base.

1644
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Bottles it is.

1645
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, how do you buy the stuff? It's like like

1646
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 6: rolls of it is, so we do. We have a

1647
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 6: little different procedure than most whereas I do all the

1648
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 6: design and development stuff here in house in Bozeman, so

1649
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 6: I'm able to kind of reach out to these manufacturers

1650
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 6: and get small parts and pieces. When I first started,

1651
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 6: I mean I was buying stuff on eBay and just

1652
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 6: random stuff who knows where it was coming from.

1653
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,480
Speaker 1: Trying to buy materials.

1654
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, because most of these big companies, especially in the US,

1655
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 6: they have such high minimums that it kind of prevents

1656
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 6: the the little guy from ordering. You know, I even

1657
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 6: here in Bozeman, I wouldn't want to order, you know,

1658
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 6: roll and rolls of fabric. You know, I need five

1659
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 6: to ten yards of it and it'll last me a

1660
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 6: few months to just build some samples to get to

1661
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 6: you know, you and I and Jason to test out

1662
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 6: and see if it's going to work. But then once

1663
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 6: we kind of settle on that material from these producers,

1664
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 6: then we send it to our production facility who takes

1665
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 6: the specs that we give them and uh, you know

1666
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 6: people that we can our sources are spelled out to

1667
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 6: them and then they do the bulk ordering and.

1668
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: Put everything and the solers. What are the main states

1669
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: or stuff gets sold that's made in America.

1670
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 6: I'd say the biggest location is southern California. We don't

1671
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 6: use anybody there anymore, we have, but you know, right

1672
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 6: around LA, the San Diego area seems super busy. All

1673
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 6: along the eastern seaboard there probably South Carolina, you know,

1674
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 6: up in New England. And then we have facilities as

1675
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 6: well that we use, like in Minnesota as well as

1676
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 6: uh Indiana kind of that Midwest state. But really I

1677
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 6: mean that you see it like locally and Bozeman, it's

1678
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 6: very hard to find people to work those jobs, be

1679
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 6: able to pay them a wage that allows them to

1680
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 6: stay here. You know, even Mystery ranch is here, SIMS

1681
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 6: is here.

1682
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 4: You know, they they've started to move a lot of

1683
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 4: that bulk production outside the area.

1684
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 6: And I don't know about SIMS specifically, but you know

1685
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 6: mystery ranch is bulk production is all over the country,

1686
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 6: or you know, they're certainly their military line is all

1687
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 6: US made, but their hunting line is made in Vietnam,

1688
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 6: which as I said, as I said before, the they

1689
01:25:55,200 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 6: have probably the most talented best as an aggregate sewers

1690
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 6: in the world. And it's just because that equipment and

1691
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 6: talent pool is there, and so I think it can

1692
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 6: start coming back to the US. But you know, it

1693
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 6: has to be done by companies like US using those facilities,

1694
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 6: because if we you know, there aren't companies like US

1695
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 6: using the facilities in the US, they're eventually gonna go

1696
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 6: out a business and go overseas as well.

1697
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: If you had to put a just like a fine

1698
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: point on it, or I guess it's more like a

1699
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: rough point on it. Making it in America, it's like

1700
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: sewing goods, like making making a backpack, binal harness whatever

1701
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: in America makes it cost what percent higher?

1702
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer because I've never actually quoted

1703
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 4: anything in the US, or I'm sorry, in China, or.

1704
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: You never out of curiosity just asked them.

1705
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 6: I haven't, but I get emails constantly from companies over

1706
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 6: there that will send me pictures of my harness as

1707
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 6: well as editor harnesses that say, hey, we make these,

1708
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 6: we could make yours for you and it will be

1709
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 6: you know, pennies on the dollar. And if you look

1710
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 6: at Amazon, I mean you can see, you know, search

1711
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 6: biny harnesses on Amazon and you'll come up with many

1712
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 6: that look very similar. Once you get them in your hand,

1713
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 6: you'll realize there's a quality difference. But there's copies of

1714
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 6: all the major brands. For you know, our harness is

1715
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 6: one of the most expensive harnesses on the market, and

1716
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 6: I think it's because it's the best and it takes

1717
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 6: a long time to make. You know, ours retails at

1718
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 6: one eighty five and you can find a pouch that

1719
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 6: you can wear on your chest for you know, eighteen

1720
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 6: dollars that's made overseas. And you know, even some of

1721
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 6: the retailers, even some of the big optics companies, you know,

1722
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 6: provide a free harness with their with their optics that

1723
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 6: you know they're they're getting the job done.

1724
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: You can hold it, it'll hold it on your store

1725
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 4: on it.

1726
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 10: It's a difference between spin fishing.

1727
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 13: And it is.

1728
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: You guys make like pelves game calls you had, you

1729
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: traditionally started out like just founder base. You started off

1730
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: by hat you just like buy necessity made him here. Yep, yeap,

1731
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: it made him. And then I mean we went through

1732
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: that evolution. We are.

1733
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 8: We are sourced both domestically and overseas, and we've tried

1734
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 8: to move as much back you know, like the Easy Sucker.

1735
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 8: We moved back into the States, and we're leveraging like

1736
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 8: a very big partner.

1737
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 4: We've given a lot of work.

1738
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 8: But USA Manufacturing, Like as much as I would love

1739
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 8: to move everything here there, to be honest, they're a

1740
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 8: bigger pain in the ass to work with, just like

1741
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 8: Paul alluded to, they don't you know, I feel like

1742
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 8: we're crushing it in the game call world, right, but

1743
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 8: ten thousand piece order of this plastic part, they don't

1744
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 8: want anything to do with that.

1745
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: They want you to order one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand.

1746
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 8: We just don't have that buying capacity or the need

1747
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 8: for it, and so you just kind of get thrown

1748
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 8: through the ring or your prices come back high. And

1749
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 8: then I'm left with like a business decision, like do

1750
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 8: you want to sell a woodpicker call for seventy and

1751
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 8: ninety nine or do you want to sell it for

1752
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 8: thirty two ninety nine where it should be, you know,

1753
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 8: And so a lot of times we do our best.

1754
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 8: Like our new unleashed V two tube, as far as

1755
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 8: I know, it's maybe one of the only blow molded

1756
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 8: like tubes inside the USA, but due to the Federal

1757
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 8: Trade Commission rules, because I put a k neoprene sleeve

1758
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 8: on it that comes from overseas and it's it's an

1759
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 8: essential part in the definition of it, all of a sudden.

1760
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: It can't be you know, made and ada, you know.

1761
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 8: So you got to like balance all these like FTC

1762
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 8: rules and like make sure you're following the rules, you know.

1763
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 8: But we try, we we we make an honest approach.

1764
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 8: I do get a quote on everything we build USA

1765
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 8: and you know, offshore, and there are times where we

1766
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 8: just have to pick and choose.

1767
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 4: And like I said, I'm.

1768
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Proud and I try to keep everything here.

1769
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 8: But there's just business decisions where unless you're willing to

1770
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 8: try and sell something for ten times all of your competition,

1771
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 8: you're just going to be stuck going that way. Yeah,

1772
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 8: but you know, all of our Turkey calls. All of

1773
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 8: our wood tricky calls made in the USA, with the

1774
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 8: majority of our woods USA source. You know, I don't

1775
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 8: want to be, you know, accused of cutting down the

1776
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 8: South American rainforw it, you know, so we try to

1777
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 8: tack and back Jason not on necessarily, He's talked about

1778
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 8: a lot of the woods.

1779
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,839
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it's a nice wood, but man, it's yeah.

1780
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 8: You don't want you don't want that, you know, So

1781
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 8: we avoid that. We try to bill as much as

1782
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 8: we can. You know, we started that acrylic deer call line.

1783
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 8: You know, we source a lot of made in the USA,

1784
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 8: a crilic. We do source some acrylic from off shore,

1785
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 8: but it's just it's depending on colors and time. So

1786
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 8: we're we're doing the best we can and making an honest,

1787
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 8: uh truly honest approach at keeping everything we can have

1788
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 8: made here and when dollars and cents, I'm willing to

1789
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 8: spend a little bit more for USA made because, as

1790
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,440
Speaker 8: you mentioned, the logistics of putting on a boat, timelines,

1791
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 8: you know, language barriers, stuff that I sometimes struggle with.

1792
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 8: I'm willing to pay you know, up to two hundred

1793
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 8: three hundred percent more if I can justify it for parts,

1794
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 8: but it's not always the option. But yeah, we we

1795
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 8: fight it on every single new project where we're going

1796
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 8: and then pricing.

1797
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 6: It's a good point in that, like having it made

1798
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 6: here allows smaller companies like us to be a little

1799
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 6: more nimble and be able to move and pivot things.

1800
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 6: You know, like for instance, if had we put that

1801
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 6: big bag that got cut on the conveyor belt into

1802
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 6: production and realized too late that you know, maybe we shouldn't,

1803
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 6: you know, make ten thousand of those. They aren't sitting

1804
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 6: on a boat on the way over here. You know,

1805
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 6: we can quickly switch material and have that one on one,

1806
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 6: I have the cell phone number of the guy who's

1807
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 6: going to make that happen, and just get it done

1808
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 6: the same day versus you know, kind of this skype

1809
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 6: call to somebody who there's a language barrier with YEP.

1810
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 3: That's helped us a lot too, to just be nimble

1811
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 3: and quick and be able to come up with a

1812
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 3: product quickly. Yeah, because we're molding, you know, we're molding ourselves,

1813
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, sculpting at molding it and casting the parts

1814
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 3: and painting and working out the paint. So some we

1815
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 3: can come up with a new decoy pretty quickly, as

1816
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 3: you know, the market changes, the populations change, or you know,

1817
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 3: hundreds inches change, and that's kind of nice to be

1818
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 3: able to do that well.

1819
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 12: And and also we're making small daily batches of decoys,

1820
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 12: whereas you know, if you're importing, you know you're buying

1821
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 12: container loads, and so you could get an order of

1822
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 12: five thousand decoys only to find out that, you know,

1823
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 12: there's there's some huge quality issue there, and now you

1824
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 12: have a whole container load of decoys, you know. Whereas

1825
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 12: for us, we stay small, and I mean we literally

1826
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 12: can walk out into the shop and take a good

1827
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 12: look over our product every day, and and we're we're

1828
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 12: really tight on on quality control that way.

1829
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: So I could call you guys and say I want

1830
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: you to go out and find me the nicest one

1831
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: out there.

1832
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I thought he was going to say he

1833
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 10: could walk out in the shop and yell at somebody

1834
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 10: this juggie.

1835
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: We could do that, and that that Doffel bag though,

1836
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: what do you call the Doffel bag or pit Duffel?

1837
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 4: Just because it opens up into a big can you

1838
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 4: can you peel by you?

1839
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: Not yet?

1840
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1841
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the nicest Dolf bag. I think we're made

1842
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: by man.

1843
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 4: Well, it's relatively simple, but it great.

1844
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: But it seems like it's gonna float away as far

1845
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: as light.

1846
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that that's the other benefit of that fabric

1847
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 6: because it's ultra light, and the film and the coating

1848
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 6: on that allows it to just, yeah, be ultra durable.

1849
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm not gonna color a waterproof bag,

1850
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 6: but you know, very water resistant and h and tough

1851
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 6: like that material itself is, you know, just reinforced. And yeah,

1852
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 6: it's gonna be I think it'll be a good bag.

1853
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: But you gotta make what you're gonna make a bunch

1854
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: of sizes, three sizes.

1855
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 4: Maybe still gotta argue with the.

1856
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 6: Internal uh corporate about how many about how many sizes

1857
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 6: as we can make.

1858
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Give me the arguments. What are the arguments?

1859
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 4: Well, give me the pro and con Well, I don't

1860
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 4: know that there are.

1861
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 6: I don't have any cons. I want to make a

1862
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 6: larger one. That's uh, you know, it end up being

1863
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 6: the one you have is like a sixty liter defel.

1864
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 6: I want to do a thirty of sixty and a

1865
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 6: ninety leader does Yeah, and uh, I think that'll be

1866
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 6: perfect We've already made the ninety. We've tested it. Uh,

1867
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 6: I made one, but we've traded around the shop and

1868
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 6: used it for flights here and the air and send

1869
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 6: me over a thirty man. Yeah, I need to make

1870
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 6: I've yet to make one of those, but we're actually

1871
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 6: having all three of them priced currently at production to

1872
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 6: make sure that we.

1873
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 4: Are able to do that quickly.

1874
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: Can I give you hot tip?

1875
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1876
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: Absolutely, If you do three, I'd call it the one ten,

1877
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 1: two twenty and three thirty. Hey, you go conno beears

1878
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: because that's the three conn be sizes. Like I mean,

1879
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: there's all their goofy stuff. There's like one eighties and

1880
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: sixties that's going to sixties. There's one sixties, two eighties,

1881
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: but no one pays attention the one ten, the two,

1882
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 1: twenty to three thirty.

1883
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 4: Then I'll confuse everybody.

1884
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: What are the numbers mean? Like, it's long story. There's

1885
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. That's nothing to.

1886
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 12: Do with you.

1887
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 10: That's always good.

1888
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 12: That is a long story.

1889
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1890
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Can I ask do they have like backpack straps on them?

1891
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 4: They do?

1892
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1893
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 6: The backpack straps are the handles and you can kind

1894
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 6: of figure basically decide where you want those, but yeah,

1895
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 6: they're they're comfortable backpack. Like the giant one I made.

1896
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 6: I've used in airports as well, and if you got

1897
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 6: to walk real far. I mean that one was one

1898
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 6: hundred and forty leaders or something that was a huge

1899
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 6: but which is why I got caught on the conveyor

1900
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 6: belts everywhere. But and it wasn't as comfortable as this one.

1901
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 6: This one actually feels like it's wearable. Yeah, it's certainly wearable,

1902
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 6: you know.

1903
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: Perfect.

1904
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 8: So the one I have is sixty, yes, thirty sixty

1905
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 8: ninety dude, Yeah, thirty.

1906
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 4: Won't confuse anybody.

1907
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: So what's up apex belts? With Turkey season coming up?

1908
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 4: So that is uh, it's funny.

1909
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 6: We just got done with the show and had to

1910
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,480
Speaker 6: kind of explain to people that the U the foundations

1911
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 6: we came out with, the belt, the hydration pack both

1912
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 6: are multiple use items. Just happens with the and I

1913
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 6: say multiple use, How do I best explain that there?

1914
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 6: I use it as a range belt, a hiking belt,

1915
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 6: hunting belt, edition whatever, fishing. I scouted all summer in.

1916
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 7: It, all season, all pursuit.

1917
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was using mine for buck ratlin yep.

1918
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 6: But being that we're launching that here in the spring,

1919
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 6: figured we would include some accessories or launch some accessories

1920
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 6: about the same time. So we have the box call

1921
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 6: pouch coming out with it. It's a The belt itself

1922
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 6: is a three piece belt, so it's really expandable, kind

1923
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 6: of designed to be a one size fits most belt.

1924
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 6: Got kind of an internal frame sheet molly attachment. Those

1925
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 6: who are familiar with the battle belt will.

1926
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 4: Kind of be familiar with the idea of a padded

1927
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 4: imagine like the belt of a big frame.

1928
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Pack without a backpack. Let's go a way of putting it.

1929
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 6: Has suspenders available, has a folding seat that kind of

1930
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 6: tucks up out of the.

1931
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: Way and yeah, is that out now or not out

1932
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: it is?

1933
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, we I think.

1934
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 6: Sweet launched that and you don't even notice you're wearing

1935
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 6: that a super you know, minimal. We've seen interest from

1936
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 6: that from predator hunters, Turkey hunters as.

1937
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: Well as well. My old turkey vest had a seat

1938
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: and I like a seat, but all day walk around

1939
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: that seat bang in the back your knees drives you insane, man.

1940
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's you know what we kind of heard

1941
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 6: from customers is like one they're usually a pain to

1942
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 6: stow if you're going to stow them up behind it.

1943
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 6: And if you don't stow it, the yeah, they hitch

1944
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 6: you in the calves the entire rest of the day.

1945
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 6: So this one tucks away easily using magnets. You can

1946
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 6: hook it to a backpack even we did a video

1947
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 6: recently on social just hooked it to my trouser belt

1948
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 6: and to my bino harness and don't have any belt

1949
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 6: worked out well, so you can kind of customize and

1950
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,719
Speaker 6: tailor that whole system to fit your style.

1951
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 4: In the pot call pouch, we did the pot call pouch.

1952
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 6: We call it echelon right and left just because they're

1953
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 6: kind of a triangle shape with the point facing forward.

1954
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 4: You would that's how you figure out right and left.

1955
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 12: Ye.

1956
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: And if you're inclined to leave all your shit out

1957
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 1: in the woods, this is a good little thing to

1958
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: have with you. Yeah, easy to it encourages not leaving

1959
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: all your junk in the woods, easy to put stuff in,

1960
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 1: easy to get in and out of quickly because you

1961
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: can actually operate out of it. It's a pot call holder,

1962
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 1: but it opens out yep, So when you're sitting there,

1963
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: it's actually just as good to have it there. This

1964
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 1: is lay it in the leaves next to you, which

1965
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: is what I used to I just kind of hide

1966
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: my stuff in the leaves and then later i'd go

1967
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: back and try to find where.

1968
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 4: I put it. I need to put some more lanyard

1969
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 4: loops on that thing. But yeah, it's uh just the

1970
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 4: way it sits open.

1971
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can kind of just like our chest ri

1972
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 6: you can just open open it and work out of

1973
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 6: it and put everything.

1974
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 4: Back where it goes.

1975
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 6: It's got the spots for you your putt and peg

1976
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 6: as well as scratch pads all that stuff.

1977
01:38:58,840 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 4: We found out.

1978
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 6: Its shows that actually uh conceals a handgun in there

1979
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 6: pretty well as well. We had numerous people ask and

1980
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,560
Speaker 6: actually like to wear mine. It's all where the the

1981
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 6: right or I'm sorry, the left one. So the triangle

1982
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 6: faces forward on your left. I wear that on my

1983
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,600
Speaker 6: right side for cross draw. Well it creates, uh, it

1984
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 6: creates like a wing of sorts where when you sling

1985
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 6: your shotgun, it sits right behind there and creates at

1986
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 6: the weapons catch.

1987
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: So it's good.

1988
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 4: It actually works out really well in that respect. But

1989
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 4: I think that covers that.

1990
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 1: So how about the is the is the the morale bag?

1991
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 4: It is available now. Yeah, and it's just the same

1992
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 4: way by those people are stupid.

1993
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: If they don't, people I think need to be educated

1994
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: to what they are.

1995
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 4: They're all over in the tactical world.

1996
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 6: You know, guys use them for mag dump pouches, you know,

1997
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 6: putting down empty mags or whatever we've found we've been

1998
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 6: using them for, like rifle hunting. If you need to

1999
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 6: stow your gloves quick instead of putting them inside your

2000
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 6: coat or draw opping them as you're moving, you just

2001
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 6: stuff them in that bag. It's just a you know,

2002
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 6: it gets the size of like a chew can rolled up.

2003
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a big ass bag that hangs from

2004
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: your belt, but it rolls up like a chew can.

2005
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 8: Well you don't you know, you wouldn't know it was there. No,

2006
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 8: And the way it's undo it and it opens up

2007
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 8: and you can you can put like eight meals or

2008
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 8: the morals in there.

2009
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely.

2010
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 6: And it's got a mesh bottom on it, so you know,

2011
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 6: if you are putting stuff that's dirty or wet, you know,

2012
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 6: it still drips out the bottom. It doesn't collect, and

2013
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 6: then it's removable so you can it's mollied onto your belt.

2014
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 6: The attachment system we use, and it just you can

2015
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 6: unhook it and empty it, do whatever you need to.

2016
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 7: It's a drop bag too, so it's out of your way.

2017
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's sits underneath the way it is attached,

2018
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 6: sits underneath your existing pouches, so it doesn't take up

2019
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 6: extra room on your belt. And so if you don't

2020
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 6: need it, you really don't even notice it's there.

2021
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2022
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: So all the everything people need to hunt turkeys is

2023
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: available on there, it is.

2024
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2025
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 6: And again that's you know, because of the timing of

2026
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 6: launching all this stuff, we focused on turkeys to start with,

2027
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 6: but you know, the plan would be to have a

2028
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 6: whole lot of different stuff coming out that will attach

2029
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,879
Speaker 6: and any of our old existing pouch is still attached

2030
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,799
Speaker 6: to it now, like you said, I use it fishing

2031
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 6: at the range, you know, all over the place.

2032
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 10: But the Scott's shoulder straps too, it does.

2033
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 6: It has kind of the same geometry as the first

2034
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 6: light elastic suspenders. Or you could attach it to the

2035
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 6: hydration pack and use your hydration pack as your shoulder yoke.

2036
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: But so, but you can buy it all you can

2037
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: buy right now. Right It's like they came, did they

2038
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: sell out, came out not for sale.

2039
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 6: We did a soft launch in December December, and then

2040
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 6: we did limited colors then and they did sell out.

2041
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 6: Some of those sold out right away, and then we

2042
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 6: relaunched them here just a couple of weeks.

2043
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 8: Ago with all the colors, so you can get it

2044
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 8: right now, just get it. Yeah, absolutely, And what else

2045
01:41:58,439 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 8: is coming up next?

2046
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 7: Pit Duffle in June. We've got.

2047
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 6: A hip quiver YEP, kind of an interesting hip quiver

2048
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 6: that I think is different than any of them I've

2049
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 6: ever seen on the market. Ambidextrous kind of use and uh,

2050
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot of companies out there doing them,

2051
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 6: but none's ever been done like this.

2052
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 4: So that'll be the summer launches. You probably know more

2053
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 4: than me.

2054
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, we have a bit of a quiet year after

2055
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 16: Apex Belt System, just given the nature of last year

2056
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 16: we had I don't even know how many new products

2057
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 16: with the fob. So we'll have one more launch this

2058
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 16: year and then we're kind of grinding on twenty twenty

2059
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 16: five stuff.

2060
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: So and how are you coming on our on our

2061
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 1: secret uh our work entitled Rio Loco. Yeah, I was there,

2062
01:42:56,120 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: remember when they're named that thing? Well he needs. He

2063
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: needs to do a bunch of research on this. Yes,

2064
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: I have the only one in existence right now. Oh

2065
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: and also felts, what's up with the moose call?

2066
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 12: We got it.

2067
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 1: You and you and Clay asked a lot, but we

2068
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: have to make a little divergence.

2069
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 8: It's just it's unsustainable to build it the way you

2070
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 8: guys wanted and be like this ultra I won't say ultram,

2071
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 8: it's not not ultra premium, but it just can't be

2072
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 8: produced one at a time and a big giant.

2073
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: I want you in there just making one at a time.

2074
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: When you get one done, let someone know, like the

2075
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: original days, like I just just made this one. It's

2076
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:41,560
Speaker 1: up for sale, like just all day web maintenance. But no,

2077
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: it's it's coming.

2078
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 8: We finally found somebody that would injection mold it with

2079
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 8: the right plastic makeup and a huge like fiberglass fill,

2080
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 8: so it'll be very, very similar to what what you

2081
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 8: guys used. We made it a little bit thinner. Some

2082
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 8: of the other reviewers wanted a little more resonation out

2083
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 8: of it, and so were a little.

2084
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 10: Who else is better?

2085
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 2: Mosing? Do they want it?

2086
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 1: They want, but they want to be able to rake

2087
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: brush rake. They wanted to be a little more hollow

2088
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: when they're raking brush.

2089
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 4: And then they want, but i'll talk to you.

2090
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: There's some reasons why.

2091
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 10: We all see big bulls.

2092
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: And then they got that you're taking our color suggestion.

2093
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 8: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, we picked your It was weird

2094
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 8: that the name has green in it, but it was

2095
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 8: the most accurate. It was like some weird sage green

2096
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 8: color that they could cast.

2097
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be meaning that your call looks like

2098
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: a paddle, but yeah, it'll be like that could be

2099
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: really good. Does it have the read in it or

2100
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: is it just we're going to work on it.

2101
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 8: We we got some other changes to it, but yeah,

2102
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 8: we'll have that. We'll have that read read in there

2103
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 8: as an accessory. But nine people will probably just voice call,

2104
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 8: but we'll we'll have that as an option, okay, and.

2105
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Then uh, and then real quick before we wrap up

2106
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: review for me, what what hot new turkey products are out?

2107
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 4: And then then I want the DSD you guys do

2108
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 4: the same, So Turkey calls.

2109
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,799
Speaker 8: This year we got the new triple locator Hawk Scream,

2110
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 8: I'll scream Woodpecker call. We brought back working with Steve Morgenstern,

2111
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 8: one of the greats in the in the friction ca world.

2112
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 8: We've got two signature series, so we went with I'm

2113
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 8: gonna get this wrong. We went with Mulberry and a

2114
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 8: red slate, and then we went with like a very

2115
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 8: specific specked out hard slate in Babinga. So we have

2116
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 8: two of.

2117
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 4: Those pots coming.

2118
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 8: And then we've got the new Rain series that we

2119
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 8: partnered up with Chris Parrish, probably the all time winning

2120
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 8: his tricky caller and great, great you know guy that

2121
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 8: that we work with on the Turkey call side on

2122
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,560
Speaker 8: a three pack of those really light, more intricate diaphragms.

2123
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 8: This year we've got a new reverse tapered striker. I

2124
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 8: think I can talk about it now, a reverse tapered striker.

2125
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 1: So like, oh, by the way, why'd you give Clay

2126
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 1: a pack of calls?

2127
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 4: We didn't give me a new pack of calls.

2128
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 8: Don't need Clay gave me credit for that. I don't

2129
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 8: know where he dug those up when he got here.

2130
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you didn't give those to me. Somebody else did.

2131
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: But then we've got like you know, strikers forever have

2132
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: been like you know, they usually get bigger as they.

2133
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 4: Go out to the bell.

2134
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 8: But like you can see on this one, it actually

2135
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 8: gets skinnier back towards where we make the connection on

2136
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 8: the on the end, a lot more vibration you can

2137
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 8: actually fill it in your striker, and so we're getting

2138
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 8: a little bit more once again.

2139
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 4: Morganstern had that idea. So we're gonna bring that guy

2140
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 4: out this year.

2141
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 8: And everybody talks about you always hear everybody talk about

2142
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 8: diamond wood strikers, you know, wake up the cheapest calls.

2143
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 4: And we finally found a company that has.

2144
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, like that's that's the best striker material you can

2145
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 8: in my opinion, and a lot of tricky hunter's opinions

2146
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 8: you can use. We finally found somebody that had like

2147
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 8: the original recipe to diamond wood. Everybody, you know a

2148
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 8: lot of people have tried to imitate it but haven't

2149
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 8: got it right. And so we're back to like the

2150
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 8: original diamond wood.

2151
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 4: What is the strikers.

2152
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 8: So it's just a bunch of laminated short really you know,

2153
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 8: thin veneers, and they put a bunch of phenolic resin

2154
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:43,839
Speaker 8: and then put it under like crazy amounts of pressure.

2155
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,680
Speaker 8: So even though it's wood, it's also got a lot

2156
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 8: of phenolic in it, and so it's you know, fairly waterproof.

2157
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 8: It will it will saturate out, but like just that

2158
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 8: thing will wake up a ten dollars pot call that

2159
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:00,560
Speaker 8: you got it Walmart and have, Yeah, that's yours. It

2160
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 8: does look like you put it in there backward. Yeah, no,

2161
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 8: it's it was designed that way. I need to write

2162
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 8: reverse ta Yeah we did. It wasn't like it wasn't

2163
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 8: a reject off of the machine. You need to write

2164
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 8: reverse taper. It feels good in your hand. Yeah, it's

2165
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 8: it's it's good.

2166
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:14,639
Speaker 4: It's good.

2167
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 8: You can build a real marginal pot call and throw

2168
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 8: out striker in with it and you're like, bam, is

2169
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,759
Speaker 8: that right? And then uh, tell me about the triple

2170
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 8: locator again. So hawk scream it's got three settings on

2171
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 8: the band, So if you set it closest to the

2172
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:29,640
Speaker 8: front of the yeah, we got this, and then we

2173
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 8: also have it in like a more custom fancy lamine.

2174
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 8: You got the oul screamer in the middle setting, and

2175
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 8: then all the way back we've got that affiliated woodpecker

2176
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 8: just located on one.

2177
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2178
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 8: Loud, extremely loud, you know, with the intention hunters, the

2179
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 8: hunter's call just to get them to locate. Are you

2180
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 8: still selling Clay's acorn call?

2181
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 1: We are, We're about out.

2182
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 8: We we did that rerun and really didn't talk a

2183
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 8: whole lot about it, and I think we're we're getting

2184
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 8: down into real low two digit inventory left and that's

2185
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 8: gonna be the last run ever.

2186
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:02,600
Speaker 1: We've made some improvements.

2187
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:06,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got two material improvements and uh uh yeah,

2188
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 8: I'm gonna the.

2189
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 4: One little issue collectors.

2190
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: Are you going to retire it? Yeah? Well, so Clay,

2191
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: we did something cool.

2192
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 8: We wanted to use white oak, and we realized like

2193
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 8: the finishing of white oak was a giant pain in

2194
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 8: the ass at times.

2195
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 1: So we had to we had to go back and

2196
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, change them over.

2197
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 10: But the structure of the call, that being an inhale

2198
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 10: exhale dobly buck grunt, I mean, that's the acorn grunner,

2199
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 10: but the oak acorn grunner.

2200
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 8: Is gonna go The oak part is gonna go away.

2201
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 8: We're gonna switch it over to a crylic. How many

2202
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 8: do we make of those total in the two different runs?

2203
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 8: At twelve hundred total, and then you don't have if

2204
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 8: you want to get one. We sold a bunch of

2205
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 8: them there at the Portland Show. People loved them and yeah,

2206
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 8: it's it's pretty unique, great sounding call. You blow on

2207
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 8: one and I'll take that.

2208
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2209
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of a collector's I mean not had me

2210
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: there night. There was a huge mistake. My buddies were

2211
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: over because my birthday and someone's like, hey, can we

2212
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 1: open this bottle of whiskey?

2213
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 4: Oh don't well?

2214
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I was well, I was like, I don't care. We

2215
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: could drinking, and you know that they opened it. I

2216
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: didn't realize back there when we had that that barrel

2217
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 1: of meat eater bourbon. Oh it was them. It was

2218
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: the bottle that said one, and I had like, you.

2219
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 10: Were never going to use it, I know, but dude,

2220
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 10: they got it.

2221
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: You've got a little chunk change for that. If it

2222
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: was if you have send it to my collection, it

2223
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: would still be sitting up there unopened. Once I realized

2224
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: what happened, Yeah, it's going now have gone.

2225
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 4: But this is the like whiskey is meant to be drinking.

2226
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, my good friends and what's better than the

2227
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:48,719
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday party? It was my old was my oldest friends,

2228
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: was like my o G friends. They drank it.

2229
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 4: So it's fun, all.

2230
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: Right, Dave, you do the same thing. What's the hot

2231
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: new ticket. The hot new DSD items for spring turkey

2232
01:49:58,280 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: which is coming up.

2233
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 3: New for of this spring is that we finally made

2234
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 3: a pack that's designed to carry DSD turkey decoys. It's

2235
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 3: a fly down pack and was designed by our own

2236
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 3: Scott Sprucker, and it.

2237
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: Is I mean, rather than putting them in a big

2238
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 1: gunny sick yeah, rather.

2239
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 2: Than putting the the you know, the straps around your

2240
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: neck and it's like you put to this way and.

2241
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: To this way, we're going to get across some getting strangled, yeah, which.

2242
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 4: We've all done that.

2243
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 3: This is a really comfortable pack that's lightweight, has a

2244
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 3: divider in it so it easily carries a jake and

2245
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 3: a hen half strut jake and a hen and maybe

2246
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 3: maybe a little more than that, and then there's also

2247
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 3: a chest rig and they can be worn together. And

2248
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 3: the chest rig is basically to hold everything, every essential

2249
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 3: thing that you need for turkey. Anningh did you bring

2250
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 3: me one of those packs?

2251
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 10: Does it have a nose it replaces your turkey your

2252
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 10: turkey vest.

2253
01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

2254
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 2: It has a yeah, and it has a pad, uh

2255
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:02,839
Speaker 2: seat pad.

2256
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:04,919
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I just want the backpack.

2257
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 2: It's not it's not quite the utility about that. That's

2258
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 2: what I was.

2259
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: It's a bag. I want the bag to carry the

2260
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: decoys in a guny sex. Yeah you can.

2261
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 3: You can put the decoy within its bag in the backpack,

2262
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 3: or just take it out of its bag and put it.

2263
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,080
Speaker 3: Put it in the backpack because it's it protects the

2264
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 3: whole decoy, so that makes it super fast, super fast

2265
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 3: set up.

2266
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 4: That's what I want.

2267
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 12: And you can buy it, Steve is just the backpack

2268
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 12: or just the chest pack, or you can get the pair.

2269
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: And you guys are all in stock. People are gonna

2270
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: have any problem to go to buy their decoys for

2271
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 1: the spring.

2272
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, so far we're we're caught up.

2273
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, good man.

2274
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited, like Turkey's coming. I mean it's here

2275
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,919
Speaker 1: for the you know people down south. Yeah, I'm excited.

2276
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: I get this time. I get like where I all.

2277
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I do a mental transition and I just start putting

2278
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: junk away, Like if I had ice fish and stuff out,

2279
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 1: it's done, trap and stuff, put it away, just start

2280
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: clearing the deck yep. Like I lose interest in everything,

2281
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: and it's like Turkey time.

2282
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an exciting time.

2283
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 12: And then one thing I might add to that, Steve

2284
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 12: is our preming hend was so popular last year and

2285
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 12: so many of our customers were actually buying multiple preening hens.

2286
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 12: It we're now offering it as a as a twin pack.

2287
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 12: You can get two preen hens and save a little money.

2288
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: That way sweet.

2289
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 3: So that was a decoy we came out with kind

2290
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 3: of late, so a lot of people used it last

2291
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 3: year and it we were really super happy with it.

2292
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 4: Did you bring one of those?

2293
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, We've got one here. Oh it's like

2294
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 2: it's like almost.

2295
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just.

2296
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Steve happy related.

2297
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 10: You know, do you think when a big guy work

2298
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 10: comes up to two preening decoys, he's gonna go, what

2299
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 10: are the chances both of those ladies are preening at

2300
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 10: the same time?

2301
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 2: But I will say this.

2302
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 3: In our observations, it's it's it was amazing the number

2303
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 3: of times that four or five hens are preening together

2304
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 3: and they're preening the same group of feathers at the

2305
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 3: same time. And so that's what's so amazing about this

2306
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,560
Speaker 3: decoy is that that is a sign of turkeys that

2307
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent relaxed, like they will only do

2308
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 3: that do feather maintenance when they're just completely feeling safe.

2309
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 1: So it's the opposite of the decoy where they're all

2310
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:45,599
Speaker 1: standing exactly vertical armed the side of their head. Yeah,

2311
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 1: looking in the same direction. Yeah, that's great man. All right, Well,

2312
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, guys, Thanks for having me, Thanks

2313
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 1: for geving. I like having the roundup, the Turkey roundup

2314
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: of everything that's going on this year. Fire it up,

2315
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,840
Speaker 1: do a gobble, Phelps, Oh you're putting on a spa again.

2316
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 1: Let me hear yours, Clay, m hmm, No, felts Man,

2317
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: here's mine ready, That's all I need to hear right there.

2318
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for coming on. So everybody check

2319
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 1: out as you're gearing up for Spring Turkey. Check out

2320
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: DSD Decoys, check out f HF Gear for all your

2321
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: tot and your your your nys and and toting equipment

2322
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 1: and the Apex belt and Phelps game calls for all

2323
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 1: your felt for all your game calls needs. Get out

2324
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: and get some gobblers, make some schnitzel, and watch for

2325
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: our our The evolution of a Turkey going into his

2326
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: strut t shirt seven eight Strut all right, thanks guys.

2327
01:54:58,160 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 12: Thank you.

2328
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 5: Back Yo.

2329
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Shaky.

2330
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 18: I'm a Backwoods guys, real Joff Trophy, stay sharp because

2331
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 18: I know murderer's working behind them tree bus and Caps

2332
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 18: and me both schools.

2333
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Couldn't get a barn.

2334
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 18: Like a lot whom appeared like a gold chain Stephanny

2335
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 18: wurts like there cocaine, got a sexy ass water on

2336
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 18: my neck, got six inch ferst and don't disrespect.

2337
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: Ain't high in my bolster all night, spinning.

2338
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 18: That hands, getting in fight camp when.

2339
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 1: We went to whitecast calls real one. It's like talk

2340
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: and needs, It's.

2341
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 10: Like baseball dams.

2342
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 12: Back.

2343
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 18: I'm a bus Tom bad ass, certified moss back, Bunda

2344
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 18: tick long beard, thunder chicken, hear her head king because

2345
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 18: I got a white crown watching homies getting murdered dead

2346
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 18: on the ground at scared of a now more crow.

2347
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 1: No wait, I'm ever gonna shock.

2348
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 18: I'm a bro walk into the party, foll strutch from

2349
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,120
Speaker 18: my stud still the brood, knocking in the club, beef

2350
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 18: with the homie name Jake for shore so as Jenny

2351
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 18: took her home, then I made a purr.

2352
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 1: Don't Tom for read. You can't fo me.

2353
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 5: I'm a wearing am stress.

2354
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: I makes you see go damage you.

2355
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 5: Usless.

2356
01:56:52,080 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 13: Night m H.

2357
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 18: Joe shout out to my marriage up in the feasts.

2358
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: My lords shout in a bo I feels over in mid.

2359
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 10: To my history rather than long days.

2360
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:27,879
Speaker 1: BO three o' groner for light.

2361
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 18: Bathom and I stopped at the border homies, I s,

2362
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 18: I love all.

2363
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 5: Y'all want your job to back them

2364
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 4: What I'm out