Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Busting with the Boys. I
Speaker 1: am your host, Will Compton. It is a strong victory
Speaker 1: Monday today. Boys, let's fucking go. Where's the energy? Where's
Speaker 1: the energy? The only you know, there are no moral victories.
Speaker 1: There are no moral victories but the boys. The Nebraska
Speaker 1: boys played their ass off this weekend. But hey, there's
Speaker 1: no moral victories other than that. Though. We swept. We
Speaker 1: swept it all. Washington Football Team, dub Tennessee Titans, dub
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders. We're two and zero, like what. And it
Speaker 1: was my birthday. So it's just been a great weekend
Speaker 1: all around, outside of the Nebraska game, which we'll get
Speaker 1: into before we get into it, before we get into everything.
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Speaker 1: Number one we have on Spencer Lee. He'll be the
Speaker 1: interview guests here in a little bit. We got to
Speaker 1: get through some current events and some current topics first
Speaker 1: because we've had a couple like recent pods with Roger
Speaker 1: Soefold and Jeff Simmons, awesome pods, some bad timing, but
Speaker 1: some awesome pods. Nonetheless, you know, we had to take
Speaker 1: an L. The boys had to take a little bit
Speaker 1: of an L. Last week is the boy. We talked
Speaker 1: about Jeff Simmons getting five sacks out a high school
Speaker 1: game and Ryan Tannehill got sacked five times, and so
Speaker 1: we had to eat a little bit of an L
Speaker 1: last week. It was tough, but just like always, we
Speaker 1: danced in the rain, we had fun, and we fought
Speaker 1: through the adversity. The boys started off a tough oh
Speaker 1: to one. I think it was tough for everybody out there.
Speaker 1: And uh, a lot of stray bullets. The boys are
Speaker 1: catching a lot of straight bullets. I'm catching stray bullets
Speaker 1: up in the stands. I can't even go home to
Speaker 1: my family. People are throwing shit at me. And the
Speaker 1: boys were going through it but again, just like anybody
Speaker 1: who can withstand any of this pressure, the Boys did
Speaker 1: because the Boys bounced back in Week two against Seattle
Speaker 1: and at one of the toughest stadiums to play in
Speaker 1: against the Seattle Seahawks, and the Boys outed him in
Speaker 1: OT thirty three thirty. We needed this win bad. We
Speaker 1: needed been this win bad because of Week one the
Speaker 1: Boys at Bustin. We needed this win bad. Julio my
Speaker 1: main Julio needed this win a little bit because of
Speaker 1: because he needed a bounce back game as well. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Julio, let's talk about that that that catch that
Speaker 1: he had that was considered out of bounce and that
Speaker 1: was a touchdown. Do we have that photo? What's crazy
Speaker 1: is that we were talking about it at our little
Speaker 1: birthday bash or a little birthday party yesterday, because yes, sir,
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was my birthday last Sunday
Speaker 1: birthday shots to the boy. But we were like, why
Speaker 1: can't if you challenge a play, why can't you come
Speaker 1: correct with your own evidence, Like why can't Donald Page
Speaker 1: or whoever took that photo right, that very high def
Speaker 1: four K photo and send it in And Ray pulls
Speaker 1: and pulls out his phone and says, hey, here's all
Speaker 1: the evidence you need. The heel is in. But what's
Speaker 1: bullshit to me is like what what? Like? Is the
Speaker 1: full rule? Is it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I had a tweet? So if you tiptoe and the
Speaker 1: rest of your body goes out of balance, it's a catch.
Speaker 1: But if you tiptoe and then your heel goes out
Speaker 1: of balance, it's not a catch. Jp you weren't there
Speaker 1: would would would you not agree with that? That was
Speaker 1: a fair That was a fair assessment. All the boys
Speaker 1: across the ward were like, hey, that's com Hey, that's
Speaker 1: comp that's a great point. Comp.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense why it would be any other way.
Speaker 1: Right, So if you toe drag we have tow drag
Speaker 1: swag all the time, right, you have the little clips
Speaker 1: of the toes getting in, the body catches the ball
Speaker 1: way out of balance and they fall. Your body eventually
Speaker 1: falls out of balance, but your toes in. But if
Speaker 1: your toes in backwards, the rest of your body still
Speaker 1: has to fall out of bounce your heels a part
Speaker 1: of your body. Like, if your toe is in, why
Speaker 1: is that not a catch? And not to mention, we
Speaker 1: don't even have to go to the photo because this
Speaker 1: heel was in, So I don't know, like what angles.
Speaker 1: What sucks is that the refs don't have to face
Speaker 1: the media after the game. The rest don't have to
Speaker 1: give explanation, you know what it's I think it's also
Speaker 1: shitty for them because I think some refs would like
Speaker 1: to have some accountability for themselves. Yeah.
Speaker 4: On the broadcast yesterday, they were talking about the officiating
Speaker 4: crew having a track record of something like Knight teen
Speaker 4: calls and fifteen of them were reversed.
Speaker 5: So the nineteen times on this one calls and fifteen
Speaker 5: times skeptical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what all the calls were. Some
Speaker 1: of them might have been reversible. I know this one
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been reversed because clearly, as you guys are
Speaker 1: beautifully watching at home, this photo was taken by the
Speaker 1: Titans PR. I don't want to say names. I think
Speaker 1: it was Donald, but maybe it wasn't Donald, so I
Speaker 1: don't want to accidentally give him credit if somebody else
Speaker 1: took the photo. But we can assume that Donald took
Speaker 1: the photo. Hey, shout out Donald, Page Bay shouts the
Speaker 1: boy baby. But this one shouldn't have been reversed. I
Speaker 1: truly like I don't get it. And like again, like
Speaker 1: let's say his heel was out of bounce. I don't understand,
Speaker 1: like why his toe couldn't have counted going backwards just
Speaker 1: like it does going forward and the rest of your
Speaker 1: body goes out of bounce. Uh But either way, thank
Speaker 1: god the boys bounce back because that was a game.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was a little game changing call
Speaker 1: and uh man, we just we needed that win bad. Garrett. Hey,
Speaker 1: huge Titans fans. We got Garrett, we got Jack. How
Speaker 1: do you guys feel? How do you guys feel about
Speaker 1: getting out of Seattle with a win? Getting out of
Speaker 1: the twelfth Man Arena with a win? A huge win
Speaker 1: in Seattle? I saw another stab.
Speaker 5: It was like, uh, Seahawks going into the fourth quarter
Speaker 5: up fourteen or like fifteen to o in the last
Speaker 5: couple of years. So for us to be able to
Speaker 5: go in there and do that was massive. Twitter was
Speaker 5: a graveyard last week. Everybody was taking shots like you
Speaker 5: and right, left and right, everyone catching trade bullets. We
Speaker 5: we found out who our real friends were, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: But it was good to just kind of calm to
Speaker 5: call We're not we're not gonna out anybody, but Yeah,
Speaker 5: they were.
Speaker 1: There were some battles with the friends. We talked, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 5: You know, there were text messages being sent to everybody.
Speaker 5: You know, we were catching blame for a lot of
Speaker 5: things that the brand, the Boys, the Boys individuals, you know, everybody.
Speaker 5: We're not even gonna give them any kind of credibility though,
Speaker 5: any spotlight, because everybody wants to jump ship the first
Speaker 5: time we have some some bad stuff go down, and
Speaker 5: so obviously week one we had some things to work out.
Speaker 5: So it was huge for us to go into Seattle,
Speaker 5: one of the best teams in the league, one of
Speaker 5: the best, biggest crowds, play against that twelfth Man and
Speaker 5: then we got the Julio ordeal and then we had
Speaker 5: Russell almost with a walk off safety to end it,
Speaker 5: which is also something that yeah, yeah, you saw that
Speaker 5: photo where he's like a yard short and that there
Speaker 5: are just a lot of things with the refs that
Speaker 5: obviously didn't go our way. Yeah, we were playing against
Speaker 5: the refs, So it was good to come out with
Speaker 5: a win. If we didn't have that win, you know,
Speaker 5: who knows it made Yeah, no, they'd be coming to
Speaker 5: the bus and.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't have got this one. We're taking the bus.
Speaker 1: We have to be going somewhere else. Boy, especially we're
Speaker 1: not like, I'll did you finish your thought? I didn't
Speaker 1: want to cut you off.
Speaker 5: My fault really, just especially coming back to Nashville this
Speaker 5: week with the Colts coming divisional game there zero and two.
Speaker 5: If we're able to put the Colt to oh and three,
Speaker 5: especially with the track record we have with the Colts,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be massive for us in the AFC South,
Speaker 5: and Houston doesn't look you know, as bad as everyone
Speaker 5: says they do too, So this week coming in, it's
Speaker 5: got to be loud. Nashville must win. If we can
Speaker 5: put the Cold to oh and three, us go two
Speaker 5: and one. We got, you know a lot of that.
Speaker 5: The naysayers on Twitter talking a lot of shit to us.
Speaker 5: I think that'll kind of fizzle out.
Speaker 1: So I just don't understand the shit talking by the
Speaker 1: people on Twitter, especially if you're a fan of I
Speaker 1: saw somebody say because I said, credit to everybody for
Speaker 1: I forget what I said. I said, like, credit to
Speaker 1: everybody for staying you know, staying staying even keel or
Speaker 1: staying composed throughout the week. And somebody's like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you didn't have emotions, then you're not a Titans fan.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what kind of bullshit is that? So
Speaker 1: if your wife pisses you off and you don't hit her,
Speaker 1: that means you don't love her, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't get mad. But I'm just saying you don't
Speaker 1: get like pissed off and like cuss out your significant
Speaker 1: other if they piss you off, Like, oh baby, that
Speaker 1: just means I love you. Like what kind of dumb
Speaker 1: shit is that? Relationship shit? It just means I care
Speaker 1: about you that much, right right? Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 1: want I just don't want it. Like, you know, I
Speaker 1: get it. We started off on one and it was
Speaker 1: a bad on one. Now we bounced back now and
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, yeah, it was great to see that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they you know, I'm glad they bounced back
Speaker 1: like they were in charge. Like, yeah, they better of
Speaker 1: or they would have had to meet me type of thing.
Speaker 1: Like everybody kind of talks that way. And another thing too,
Speaker 1: is like people taking shots, and I get it. You
Speaker 1: want to take shots at busting because for whatever, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, whether you hate you hate on the boys,
Speaker 1: you got a little jealousy or envy, you know, with
Speaker 1: the media people out there. Taylor definitely runs the Twitter
Speaker 1: account too. That's that's why they're Yeah, people did catch
Speaker 1: us because Taylor runs our Twitter account. Taylor runs the
Speaker 1: bus with the Boys Twitter account. So they're right, like Taylor,
Speaker 1: like he clearly his priorities, blah blah blah, this and that.
Speaker 1: It just it's just it's so easy. I get it though.
Speaker 1: It's easy to grab some cloud. Everyone's out there cloud
Speaker 1: chasing on on social media, myself included. Everyone's sitting everyone
Speaker 1: who has a profile is doing some cloud chasing because
Speaker 1: you're there trying to gain status, and to get in
Speaker 1: any status in this status game, you got to tear
Speaker 1: somebody down. Busting with the Boys is an easy plug
Speaker 1: because the boy, you know, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: say juggles both because he doesn't even really juggle. I know,
Speaker 1: I was really double and triple downing against old portnoy
Speaker 1: On saying like juggling both things. But you gotta be
Speaker 1: careful saying that because people think he prioritizes busting with
Speaker 1: the Boys over playing football, and everyone who listens and
Speaker 1: knows anyway, I'm not even preaching to a new choir
Speaker 1: because our audience was fucking tier one. We got a
Speaker 1: bunch of day ones out there. Everyone knows that the
Speaker 1: boy's focused on ball right now. And yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that the boy was going through it after that game,
Speaker 1: Like who doesn't like you come off? You have the
Speaker 1: couple of years and I Number one, he's the boys
Speaker 1: hard on himself for not having a healthy year last year.
Speaker 1: He tours Aco last year because he was on pace
Speaker 1: to you know, be part of the two K season
Speaker 1: hopefully you know, get that rushing title with Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: or get that rushing record with the Boys getting back
Speaker 1: to his Pro Bowl esque play by after he had
Speaker 1: the ped year the year before, because he got pop
Speaker 1: for pds, finished strong, the Boys went to the AC Championship.
Speaker 1: But the boy was really like down that he didn't
Speaker 1: get to complete as year last year. So he tears
Speaker 1: his ACL and he comes back after a long year
Speaker 1: of just living. Number one, he wanted to come back
Speaker 1: from the ACL fast, like everybody does when they want
Speaker 1: to come back from an injury. So as he's learned
Speaker 1: with the a CL and A and a big surgery
Speaker 1: like an ACL procedure, you realize, like you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to. You got to give yourself some
Speaker 1: grace and realize, like you're not gonna You're only gonna
Speaker 1: come back as fast as your body allows you to.
Speaker 1: And the boy had a rough first game. Everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Nobody's running from it. Like the boy had a tough
Speaker 1: first game. All the boys had a tough first game.
Speaker 1: But everyone acts like like his priorities are messed up
Speaker 1: and that his focus is out of whack and that
Speaker 1: he's been he's changed everything up, like you see the
Speaker 1: you see the tweets out there, Oh he looks like
Speaker 1: a podcaster and this and that because it's just an
Speaker 1: easy jab to throw. But uh, yeah, the boy had
Speaker 1: a rough one. But it's like you got to give
Speaker 1: yourself some grace and realize you're not just gonna come
Speaker 1: back and be like like maybe you are. I don't
Speaker 1: want to this, I don't want this to come off wrong,
Speaker 1: but you got to give yourself some empathy that it's
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen overnight, Like you're not gonna bounce
Speaker 1: back and everything's not gonna be out there. He knows
Speaker 1: that and understands that. I'm more so giving context to
Speaker 1: everybody listening. That's had all these opinions about the boy
Speaker 1: that said X, Y and Z that they said all
Speaker 1: the shit, like, nobody knows what the dudes went through.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. We had to take our paw, we
Speaker 1: had to go to Arizona to record some things. And
Speaker 1: like anytime that that happens, it's always ball first over
Speaker 1: the podcast. And again, I know people know this is
Speaker 1: just to give some context because I know people want
Speaker 1: people are, oh, we should we should be saying something,
Speaker 1: or we should have Chandler Jones on the bus and
Speaker 1: saying all this dumb shit that people don't understand like
Speaker 1: that people just aren't on the inside that knows what
Speaker 1: goes on. The boy understands what kind of game he had,
Speaker 1: and he's he's anxious and he's ready to get back
Speaker 1: out there. It sucked. He had another hiccup again, Like
Speaker 1: you have a bad game. The first thing you want
Speaker 1: when you're a player and you have a bad game,
Speaker 1: you can't wait until you get to the next game
Speaker 1: to bounce back because you know you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: bounce back game. You can't wait to get the bad
Speaker 1: taste out of your mouth because you put some bad
Speaker 1: stuff on tape, and everyone hates watching themselves do bad
Speaker 1: shit on film. You think I enjoyed when Rogers saffold
Speaker 1: almost through many stands, Yes, I can laugh at it
Speaker 1: and have fun with it. But I'm watching that game
Speaker 1: and I'm like, motherfucker, I hate that I have that
Speaker 1: bad shit on tape. When KB caught that ball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: could I cover it any better? Probably not, But I
Speaker 1: want to make that play because you don't want to
Speaker 1: look bad on tape. You don't want people to have
Speaker 1: shit that have all the petty stuff. You know. I
Speaker 1: go back and forth and have fun with an embrace
Speaker 1: and do all the bullshit with it, but you hate
Speaker 1: putting bad shit on tape. And my coach that after
Speaker 1: I played the Titans in Oakland that next week, somebody
Speaker 1: got cut. Preston Brown got cut. He didn't even play
Speaker 1: that bad. We all played bad. I'm not saying that bad,
Speaker 1: like he played bad and deserved it. But the Coachlarer
Speaker 1: looked me in the face and goes, will you think
Speaker 1: you played good enough for him to get for Preston
Speaker 1: to get cut just now? And I have to look
Speaker 1: at him like no, because I knew I played shitty again.
Speaker 1: Mind you this was when k called that ball and
Speaker 1: me Roger threw me in the stands, like had a
Speaker 1: bad outing, had a bad day, laid up sleepless nights
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to get to the next game
Speaker 1: to get this bad taste out of my mouth. That's
Speaker 1: all it is. That's all it is when you have
Speaker 1: a bad game, like the Titans knew, all the boys knew,
Speaker 1: like they weren't the same team that they put on
Speaker 1: film on week one. It's just you got to get back,
Speaker 1: have some accountability, have some optimism going into the next week,
Speaker 1: and you bounce back. That's what you do. You don't
Speaker 1: dwell and make excuses like you know a lot of
Speaker 1: Twitter does, and a lot of people that are down
Speaker 1: bad due you dwell in the situation. You don't see
Speaker 1: the big picture for what it is though. The ones
Speaker 1: who get over it, like the Titans did. You have accountability,
Speaker 1: you have optimism. I know the boy wanted to bounce
Speaker 1: back this week and again he hypercentded his knee. We
Speaker 1: have the clip that people, you know, people saw that.
Speaker 1: You know you're again anxious to get back out there
Speaker 1: and restart, like, hey, let's put week one behind us.
Speaker 1: Let's go in the week two, then you hypersend your knee,
Speaker 1: so you can only imagine what the boy like. It
Speaker 1: just fucking sucks. But like we always say, like we
Speaker 1: like to say to each other, like hey, nobody's coming
Speaker 1: to save you. The boy knows, and I know he'll
Speaker 1: be ready to go. I know I'm talking about him
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm kind of like, I feel like,
Speaker 1: do I sound like I'm speaking for him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Okay, I gotta want to speak
Speaker 1: for him. There's so many different types of red tape
Speaker 1: and stuff that you want to step around to make
Speaker 1: sure you don't fucking mess up. So people have fucking
Speaker 1: clips and shit like that for it. But that's just
Speaker 1: giving you guys context on the situation because the people
Speaker 1: who talk about the podcast and the stuff anything other
Speaker 1: than football just have no clue the lifestyle that the
Speaker 1: boy actually lives and and you know what what he
Speaker 1: goes through on the daily band says, and what that
Speaker 1: entire team does, because everybody was going for everybody's head
Speaker 1: after that first game. Moving one, the Raiders are two,
Speaker 1: and oh we got some heat cooking up for the
Speaker 1: boys too, Like we can't where you know, I learned
Speaker 1: after week one. I can't just ride this wave. I
Speaker 1: can't just ride this roller coaster. The boy's got to
Speaker 1: he's got to look at he's got to look into
Speaker 1: what's best for his family, for his uh, for my
Speaker 1: skin out there on social media. I gotta look out
Speaker 1: for what's best for the boy. I gotta stay safe
Speaker 1: out there, So I'm gonna hop on. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta hop on the bandwagons of the teams you play for.
Speaker 1: People like, oh, you're just picking the teams that you
Speaker 1: played for, Like okay, sick, you can't do that, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like dudes just like mad
Speaker 1: because I get to go, Oh, the Raiders, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of those boys. Let me just go out
Speaker 1: in the woodworking and pick the Raiders. But we got
Speaker 1: some merch cooking up for the Raiders fans, for the
Speaker 1: the tier ones, them Raider tier ones that we got
Speaker 1: on this pop Baby, we love you, and we're making
Speaker 1: some hot merch that you guys are gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pick up. It might be out already and if not,
Speaker 1: probably come out to night maybe tomorrow, maybe Friday, just
Speaker 1: like with our Spootober shirts, which you guys are crushing.
Speaker 1: By the way, those things are heaters. I'm wearing one
Speaker 1: right now. This is my favorite one. The White Crew.
Speaker 1: But the face ones what do we call them? The caricature,
Speaker 1: the self porcher ones. That's a banger, the self portraits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: chilly roll as jelly roll the best our spootover merches out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some fun stuff in the works for Spectober.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But you can get our merch obviously. You guys know
Speaker 1: where stored up barstool sports dot com. All of our
Speaker 1: merches out there.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we got some stuff cooking up for the
Speaker 1: Raiders room, might get some stuff going. You know what
Speaker 1: I like? I like uh, I like lean. I like
Speaker 1: being able to watch the boys in Nebraska. Now. I
Speaker 1: like being able to have my saturdays free to watch
Speaker 1: the boys in Nebraska. We were down bad and there
Speaker 1: are again there are no moral victories. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: saying that there's no moral victories. But the boys played
Speaker 1: their ass off against Oklahoma. I'm stoked from the build
Speaker 1: off of this number one. They should have beat Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: What Jack, what's so funny?
Speaker 5: I'm just invested with you because we've talked about it.
Speaker 5: Because I'm a Tennessee fan, I feel like Tennessee, Nebraska
Speaker 5: the Michigan's.
Speaker 1: We're all in this same boat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, where it's like we're historic programs, but the last
Speaker 5: decade have been shitty. Yeah, by the way to put it,
Speaker 5: so like, I feel like I'm living like an alternate
Speaker 5: reality through you with Nebraska as tnc and so it's
Speaker 5: just like I for all of us, baby, I want
Speaker 5: us all you want.
Speaker 1: But hey, I'm telling you, man, Alex. You didn't get
Speaker 1: to watch the game, did you. No, I just saw
Speaker 1: you on Twitter. If the boys make the field goals,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to do I don't want to
Speaker 1: attack the kid. He's just a kid. He's just a boy.
Speaker 1: I know he's going through some tough shit, the kicker.
Speaker 1: But when we make those kicks, if we make those
Speaker 1: field goals and that extra point, because you got to remember,
Speaker 1: the extra point got taken back to the house for
Speaker 1: an extra two points. That was a three point swing
Speaker 1: right there on an extra point after putting up a
Speaker 1: good tuddy. And we make those kicks and that extra point,
Speaker 1: we're winning the game. Like we're beating number three Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: We're storming the field. Because the rivalry is now the
Speaker 1: rivalry's back. And don't you remember back earlier in the
Speaker 1: off season, Oklahoma was trying to back out of the
Speaker 1: game against Nebraska. They weren't trying to play the Boys.
Speaker 1: The Boys like, no, no, we got to keep this
Speaker 1: game alive. We got we're playing these guys. So Oklahoma
Speaker 1: tried backing out. They play the game, they get lucky,
Speaker 1: they beat us because we beat ourselves in the first
Speaker 1: drive too out of mind you we had to settle
Speaker 1: for a field goal. Fortunately we made that one, but
Speaker 1: we had five penalties, four or five penalties in the
Speaker 1: first drive. We don't get those penalties were probably gonna
Speaker 1: score a touchdown and put the game even more out
Speaker 1: of reach. We should have been up like sixteen seven
Speaker 1: at a half time, and then you probably run away
Speaker 1: with it thirty four fourteen. At the end of the year,
Speaker 1: I can't even keep the straight face anymore. Like just
Speaker 1: just talk so much ninsense, talk so much nonsense. But no,
Speaker 1: for real, I was. I was like optimistic after that game.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Boys started off. We lost to Illinois.
Speaker 1: We kind of you know, we made make a wish
Speaker 1: happen for Illinois, and I'm happy about that. You know,
Speaker 1: take a lot of pride in being charitable. But I
Speaker 1: thought we were down bad a little bit. Who do
Speaker 1: you have next week with the boys? The boys? The boys,
Speaker 1: I almost bounce back against against Oklahoma. They put up
Speaker 1: a good fight out there. There are no moral victories though.
Speaker 1: This next week we got Michigan State. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. You were like, who
Speaker 1: do they got next week? They got Michigan State? They
Speaker 1: got twenty Michigan State. I think that it's a very
Speaker 1: beatable Michigan State team, very beatable. I don't know much
Speaker 1: about them, but I think they're very beatable. I can't
Speaker 1: go on and talk about what the schemes they do
Speaker 1: and everything else because I'm not an analyst. I think
Speaker 1: Michigan State's beatable. I know a lot of those defensive
Speaker 1: coaches over there, so maybe I need to like hit
Speaker 1: up our offensive guys and and talk about like what
Speaker 1: they run and shit like that because a lot of
Speaker 1: them are my old college coaches. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about going back to the to the homecoming game. Is
Speaker 1: that that's not this week? No, it's at Michigan State.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: The next time game is October second, against Northwestern Oh
Speaker 1: and then October ninth against Michigan. Ooh, maybe go and
Speaker 1: make an appearance at the Michigan game. See if Portnell
Speaker 1: will get the college Game Day crew. There were like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's like, let's make a little deal out of Michigan Nebraska.
Speaker 1: We'll go were they But it's Dave. He's all Michigan
Speaker 1: really not the role. Get the cameras, see what kind
Speaker 1: of feel passes we can get. It was up to
Speaker 1: all the tier ones out there, all the Nebraska fans listening.
Speaker 1: What'd you say, Garrett?
Speaker 4: I was just throwing our boys' name out there, a
Speaker 4: little shout out.
Speaker 1: Who was it? Awesome? Winfrey shout out Ausome Winfree, you're
Speaker 1: a boys all free shoutouts. Yeah. I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to get to uh, we need to get to
Speaker 1: a Nebraska game. Since I got all this free time
Speaker 1: with my hands, it's tough, like just rooting for all
Speaker 1: these teams, several teams, I felt like I need to
Speaker 1: go actually support them in person, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: outside of just the tailgates, which, by the way, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have another tailgate this weekend and act me go
Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna hay those shirts that you guys
Speaker 1: there were. You know what, my hand's up on this.
Speaker 1: I promoted a shirt not long ago and it was
Speaker 1: the boys shirt. Phenomenal, great shirt, the oiler colors, like,
Speaker 1: the shirt is a banger, And we can only get
Speaker 1: like fifteen made because the warehouse was lowish low on
Speaker 1: the quantity, right, so we couldn't get him printed and
Speaker 1: get him, couldn't get him to us fast enough. But
Speaker 1: I was told Barcel, I was like, just send me
Speaker 1: the fifteen. We'll just do a little thing at the tailgate.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was gonna be like shirt
Speaker 1: of the year, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: got to Act ME on Sunday? Who was I with?
Speaker 1: Was I with JP? And the line is wrapped around
Speaker 1: Act Me without the doors opening yet doors open at
Speaker 1: ten o'clock like the actual ACTME doors open at ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: But there's a line wrapped around and people are wanting
Speaker 1: that shirt, people wanting that the boy's shirt. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there going in thinking, fuck me, I did that video.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks we got these shirts at the tailgate, and
Speaker 1: the shirts were gone in the first fifteen purchases by
Speaker 1: five that's what I'm saying. I didn't even know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like everybody who was probably in the back of
Speaker 1: the line, like damn, they sold out already. Hey they're popular.
Speaker 1: Like that person who's probably sixth in line, that's probably
Speaker 1: like he didn't get a shirt, Like, what the fuck's
Speaker 1: going on? I literally got here at nine am. But
Speaker 1: we're restocking everything. Everything will be restocked. If there's one
Speaker 1: thing the boys learned about, it's hey, we need to
Speaker 1: have shit stocked. Last year was the COVID year, so
Speaker 1: we did like and the year before that, the boys
Speaker 1: were like newer, so we we just weren't slingk merch
Speaker 1: like the boys have been slinging merch. And last year
Speaker 1: was the COVID year, so you just the numbers were lower.
Speaker 1: The numbers were low, we were capped off, so stuff
Speaker 1: flew out. And I've realized, like, I can't do the
Speaker 1: fans like that because you guys come to that tailgate.
Speaker 1: I need to have this merch ready for you guys.
Speaker 1: So there will be those new shirts. You'll be able
Speaker 1: to get them at the tailgate. We will not be short.
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Speaker 1: It's Tough Boys Spencer Lee. So we had Spencer Lee.
Speaker 1: He flew in from Iowa. He's a an Iowa wrestler.
Speaker 1: He's making his way to the Mount rushmore of wrestling.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: talks out there, a lot of stories out there of
Speaker 1: the boy becoming one of the best wrestlers of all
Speaker 1: time if he locks in the forts Natty going in
Speaker 1: after this year, saying he goes undefeated. I'm putting a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on the boys saying all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But he is. Spencer Lee's a three time national champion.
Speaker 1: He's went all three years, going for his fourth in
Speaker 1: a row this year. A two time Dan Hodges Trophy winner.
Speaker 1: And for those who are football fans and not wrestling fans,
Speaker 1: that Dan Hodges' Trophy is just like the Heisman. So
Speaker 1: he's a two time Heisman winner, already two time Big
Speaker 1: Ten Wrestler of the Year, James E. Sullivan Award winner.
Speaker 1: That's the best athlete in America? Was that this year?
Speaker 1: I believe it was last year. Yeah, he's the kid
Speaker 1: who he went viral for talking about tearing his ACL.
Speaker 1: He tours ACL in the Big Ten Championship. Eight days
Speaker 1: later won the national title in the NCAA's on a
Speaker 1: torn ACL not fixed. He talks about it in this podcast.
Speaker 1: He was in the facility like nine hours a day,
Speaker 1: doing three three hour workouts. He's won thirty five straight matches,
Speaker 1: outscoring his opponents four hundred and thirty two to just
Speaker 1: forty two damn points. That is insane. He's seventy five
Speaker 1: and five. What do he say he lost twice his
Speaker 1: freshman or three times or sophomore year. Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: Seventy five and five fifteen and oh at NCAA championships.
Speaker 1: But this is an awesome interview. You guys are going
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. He's an I will wrestler. I know
Speaker 1: that is brutal, trust me, it pains me. But we
Speaker 1: only want the best on the bus, and this boy
Speaker 1: lives up to that caliber. He's cut from a different cloth.
Speaker 1: The dude has some insane stories. But you guys are
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Speaker 1: here's a Spencer the interview. All right, Spencer Lee, appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on the bus. Sorry if I get a
Speaker 1: little I already feel too formal. All right, welcome to
Speaker 1: the bus. You know, Oh, so your eligibility. I was
Speaker 1: looking up your stuff and I was getting confused because
Speaker 1: it looks like he's wrestled for four years, but he's
Speaker 1: a three term very and now I know he's going
Speaker 1: for a fourth so explain, explain, like, what the where
Speaker 1: your eligibility is at?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the one year, I h, we competed the
Speaker 3: entire season, and so we had our Big Ten tournament
Speaker 3: and then the next week or two weeks there would
Speaker 3: be nationals and four days four nationals. They canceled into
Speaker 3: the tournament. So I did wrestle my fourth years, but
Speaker 3: with the COVID happening, they actually just gave us all
Speaker 3: another year if you weren't a senior ready. So I, oh,
Speaker 3: so this this last year didn't count towards eligibility, So
Speaker 3: I was technically a senior this year, but didn't counter
Speaker 3: towards my eligibility. Like, so now I'm a super senior almost,
Speaker 3: I'm a fifth year.
Speaker 1: Ser Yeah, to be a nightmare again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one more year, Yeah, some more year.
Speaker 1: That's why that's bad. Uh, that's bad research on my part,
Speaker 1: knowing that the because the spring athletes got canceled because
Speaker 1: baseball did. Yeah, you guys definitely did. Damn. Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. That makes sense. So I want to read
Speaker 1: do you have all his accolades on here? Because it's
Speaker 1: it's too long of a list to even memorize and
Speaker 1: rattle off. I actually had your stuff pulled up. Dude.
Speaker 1: The ship's insane, man, the stuff that you've accomplished. And
Speaker 1: you know, look, I'm a football guy. Any anybody, any
Speaker 1: wrestler fans that we accumulate by having this by listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast and all the eye with faithful listening
Speaker 1: right now, Like I'm a little ignorant now in the
Speaker 1: wrestling game. My brother he went to Nebraska wrestling, so
Speaker 1: we're we're a wrestling family. But the stuff for anybody
Speaker 1: not familiar with wrestling, the dude that we have on
Speaker 1: the bus right now. Number one, he was the kid
Speaker 1: who tore both of his acls and won the Natty
Speaker 1: on two torn acls. Right, yeah, So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We'll get fired up. Trust me, we've got enough. The
Speaker 1: boys will be can your ego enough? But the dude
Speaker 1: is like, you're a three timer right going for your fourth,
Speaker 1: which you would if if listen. I know, coach, what's
Speaker 1: a coach you name? Coach Brand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, coach Brands, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Coach Brands. They've they're twins too, They're ferocious. I visited
Speaker 1: there when I was getting recruited, and I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking in my mind, now I'm about to start talking about.
Speaker 3: Myself, and says, I'd rather you talk about yourself.
Speaker 1: So when we were going through the recruiting process, Cody,
Speaker 1: my brother Cody, he was a senior national champion coming
Speaker 1: out of high school. He's a stud, the boy Cody,
Speaker 1: Cody was a stud. And we did this unofficial recruiting
Speaker 1: trip where I went to Missoo, first Uh, Nebraska, and Iowa,
Speaker 1: like all in the same week with my family and
Speaker 1: all Missoo. All those three schools were also recruiting my
Speaker 1: brother Cody because they knew that I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to a school also Illinois. They knew I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to a school to where Cody could also wrestle
Speaker 1: there too. So when we went to Iowa, it was
Speaker 1: after the Nebraska visit. Nebraska is just their facilities are insane.
Speaker 1: And then I go to Iowa. I know their football
Speaker 1: facilities are better now, George Kittle, I get it, they're
Speaker 1: better now, But back then, it was like it wasn't
Speaker 1: even close. It was black and white. Like I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys have no shot. But I knew the wrestling
Speaker 1: program obviously. I was like the greatest arguablyeve Nebraska, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, but we win. You know, I'm meeting the brothers,
Speaker 1: the brands, dude, and uh dude, they're just fiery. Like
Speaker 1: wrestling like is just a different It's just a different world.
Speaker 1: You guys are all fucking crazy. Yeah, like what we
Speaker 1: would uh we would have wrestling bouts at uh parties
Speaker 1: in college when I was at Nebraska. You don't, you know,
Speaker 1: you can speak on whatever you want to speak on.
Speaker 1: But the football team, we'd have all the boys together,
Speaker 1: and the football team would think that they could beat
Speaker 1: the wrestlers. I'm sure you've dealt with your fair share
Speaker 1: of guys who are heavy and you thinking they can
Speaker 1: wrestle with you. And dudes would circle up outside in
Speaker 1: the front lawn. We're at a house party, right, dudes
Speaker 1: are We're circling up, putting the lights on the putting
Speaker 1: the lights on the grass. People are circling up all
Speaker 1: around to make a little ring. Football players would go
Speaker 1: out there and wrestle these dudes. Me I'm smart. I
Speaker 1: stood back because I knew what time it was, I
Speaker 1: knew what was gonna happen. Dudes are getting hip toss
Speaker 1: left and right. We got our You know, one twenty
Speaker 1: five pounder toss in our freaking one corner like it
Speaker 1: was our linebackers getting in there getting tossed by like
Speaker 1: a one to fifty fifty seven. Yeah, one fifty seven
Speaker 1: pounders just getting dummied, And hey, will you're gonna get
Speaker 1: out there against Cody like that's my brother, and it's
Speaker 1: like fuck no, I'm goin getting out there against Cody.
Speaker 1: That's fight.
Speaker 3: Was that what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right? And Mike Chandler came on one time he hip
Speaker 1: tossed Blaine Gabbert. They said they did it at Miszoo.
Speaker 1: Have you ever wrestled a football player? Have they ever
Speaker 1: wanted to challenge you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I've had a few joke around, But are you No,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't deal with that.
Speaker 1: I'm not. You don't ever say let's scrap a little bit. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I might.
Speaker 3: I might mess around, like grabbing, because a lot of
Speaker 3: the football players that I with their wrestlers too, So
Speaker 3: like you know how wrestlers get each other are always
Speaker 3: grabbing and messing around. You know, you know you ever
Speaker 3: see wrestlers you ever see you ever see rst of greed?
Speaker 3: We're just grabbing your arm, or we're walking up behind you.
Speaker 1: Taking a guy, start working in control up.
Speaker 3: That's how wrestler's greed. They're just it's like people look
Speaker 3: at you weird because but us like we're just naturally
Speaker 3: grabbing you like no problem.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the full players?
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, yeah, I watched. I watched one of
Speaker 3: our backup heavyweights kind of get launched by a football player.
Speaker 3: They were they were there one. Yeah he did because
Speaker 3: well he was the state CHAMPI in high school. Not
Speaker 3: to you know, but you know, they had wrestled in
Speaker 3: high school, and the restaur obviously had won all their matchups.
Speaker 3: But I think they were a little gone, you know.
Speaker 3: I think I think someone was a little they're they're
Speaker 3: having some fun and yeah he got he got thrown.
Speaker 3: So I've seen that video a lot, and I'm not
Speaker 3: going to name names. I don't want to make him
Speaker 3: feel better.
Speaker 1: There's a video out there, Yeah, there's a video Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Busting with the boys.
Speaker 3: He I don't know if you're gonna be able to
Speaker 3: find it. It was it was like a video.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that Oklahoma video? What was the was
Speaker 1: it a football player?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an m m A guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1: No, I wanted to say, the football player like shoved
Speaker 1: him right, and then the dude was like kind of
Speaker 1: like are he like kind of like hit his face
Speaker 1: and kind of rubbed his face like okay, motherfucker, and
Speaker 1: then just dropped him. It was actually the guy who
Speaker 1: got dropped right. The m m A guy finished it.
Speaker 1: The other guy started it. Yeah, this one right here
Speaker 1: just getting his as. I'll tell you what though, being
Speaker 1: around the wrestling culture, wrestlers they want ship like this
Speaker 1: when they go out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, wrestlers. They're they're they're not looking for trouble,
Speaker 3: but right they'll they'll kind of adhere to it. They'll
Speaker 3: they'll kind of push things right the gas Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: but they're like no, no, no, no, but they they'll kind
Speaker 3: of keep it going. And then because well, yeah, they
Speaker 3: want you to mess with the wrestlers. Wrestlers, you know,
Speaker 3: they know what they're capable of, and at the same time,
Speaker 3: they also think they're even more capable of what they
Speaker 3: really are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you get a few of them together and
Speaker 1: then you're kind of hyping. I don't know, he don't
Speaker 1: know exactly like, no, he doesn't fucking know.
Speaker 3: I feel like every wrestler is like little Man syns room.
Speaker 3: You know, I commend Spencer for saying that I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not running down Listen, listen. I'm I'm a one
Speaker 3: twenty five pounder in college. I'm five foot three, I'm small.
Speaker 3: I know my place. I'm not going to fight some
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pounds you know, linebacker right somebody place.
Speaker 3: But my teammates will. My teammates don't.
Speaker 1: Crazy man say, would you say you have a little
Speaker 1: man syndrome?
Speaker 3: I do not. I'm I'm I'm a lover, not a fighter,
Speaker 3: you know, the one so the only time, only time
Speaker 3: I'm mean is when that whistle blows. Other than that,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty nice. My teammates are very different though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Theyn't fight anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you go to one of the wrestler
Speaker 1: house parties and that's just just stay on parties this
Speaker 1: whole time, wrestler house party and these dudes you'll go in,
Speaker 1: They'll be full team, will be there, maybe their girlfriends
Speaker 1: maybe not. They don't even need women there. They just
Speaker 1: need to be shirtless with a bandanna on their head
Speaker 1: and a beer in their hand talking about wrestling and
Speaker 1: cawflower rear? Is that fair?
Speaker 3: I don't know about our team. I've heard stories about
Speaker 3: previous teams. Though I was I was, I was pretty
Speaker 3: big party school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I knew because Nebraska. Like my brother and
Speaker 1: I we lived together, and he'd be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're going to go to We're gonna go to a Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a wrestler's house. And they'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you guys do we're thinking about going out.
Speaker 1: We might swing by, you know the pregame, we might
Speaker 1: swing by there before we go out. And you go
Speaker 1: to the to the wrestler house and it's just like, hey, boys,
Speaker 1: what are we doing in here? Like we're the chicks
Speaker 1: Like these days you just want to play like beer
Speaker 1: pong and compete about you know games, and like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to wrestle, And then they start fucking wrestling.
Speaker 3: The competitive nature is so stupid. They'll they'll play Madden
Speaker 3: and they'll throw the controller and break TVs. Like my
Speaker 3: teammates are so funny, like they're just there's the it's
Speaker 3: they hate each other. They'll get in the fist fights
Speaker 3: and then they'll be smiling, laughing five minutes later.
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3: Oh I love this different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably all about it.
Speaker 3: Different breed man. They just think differently.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your this double A c L story
Speaker 1: that went viral, and it was the one thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to give George Kittle credit for because he's an
Speaker 1: Iowa guy, is that you were out there talking about
Speaker 1: what was your famous quote? What was your famous line?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I said, excuses excuse for That's right, I said that
Speaker 3: was my that was my look.
Speaker 1: At it backwards, ad on when I say, he looked
Speaker 1: like Pablo Sanchez. If there's backyard rest, people can hear it.
Speaker 1: If we had our headset on, we'd be able to
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I played the audio.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean eight days ago, I tore my
Speaker 2: a c L am I either knee, I'm wrestling with
Speaker 2: no A c LS And you know whatever, man, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to tell anyone because excuses excuses are for
Speaker 2: Russ And you know what, that was a tough term
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: I could barely.
Speaker 2: Wrestle, I could barely shoot. I can't sprawl, you know what.
Speaker 2: I believe in my coaching staff and everyone that believed
Speaker 2: in me, and.
Speaker 3: Here I am. So here you guys go.
Speaker 1: How did you handle the self doubt?
Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean there was no doubt. It was
Speaker 3: just hey, no one else you are you. I was
Speaker 3: just so fired up.
Speaker 1: You should be. You want to for the championship eight
Speaker 1: days after tearing an a c L. I get being uncontroled.
Speaker 1: Trust me. When there's compliments, JP gives them to me
Speaker 1: a lot. I get gets your man uncomfortable and uh
Speaker 1: the biggest fan. Yeah, JP's he's a he's a tier
Speaker 1: one of the boys. But uh, I understand you feeling
Speaker 1: like you know, I know you're in the moment. But dude,
Speaker 1: number one, how did you tear your a c l Oh?
Speaker 3: I tore it in the middle of the Big Ten
Speaker 3: Finals first, like thirty seconds in the match.
Speaker 1: Did everybody know it?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I knew immediately I tore it. I was kind
Speaker 3: of like he took me. The guy actually scored on me,
Speaker 3: and then my nose I started bleeding or something. I
Speaker 3: remember running over the corner and I'm like my sail
Speaker 3: was torn, and I'm like I'm like feeling I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I was like, I blew it out and
Speaker 3: but I still have like the whole first period to
Speaker 3: go next two periods and I'm losing. You know, I
Speaker 3: got taken down first, which like never really happens to me,
Speaker 3: so I was kind of like, so well, I was
Speaker 3: like but like I saw him like all confused. I'm
Speaker 3: like what's going on, Like, yeah, what just happened? And
Speaker 3: my coach is like in my face and I'm trying
Speaker 3: to tell him like hey, I tore my a cl
Speaker 3: and he grasps me and he's like he's like wake up,
Speaker 3: and I'm like okay, and I just remember going back
Speaker 3: to the middle and keep wrestling. And I never told
Speaker 3: him I tore my a cl. So I ended up
Speaker 3: I ended up winning the match twenty one to two.
Speaker 3: So he scored two points and I end up waiting
Speaker 3: twenty yees. So I scored.
Speaker 1: I scored the dude duo was up on you two
Speaker 1: zip or two one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, two zero, and then I ended like so I
Speaker 3: scored twenty one straight points and I run off the
Speaker 3: mat and I'm like just trying to tell them about
Speaker 3: knee and they're like, awesome match, you good, let's get
Speaker 3: ready for Nationals and I'm like, I'm like Tom. Tom's like
Speaker 3: what because I stopped and we had guys in the
Speaker 3: files of thirty three forty one, like we were just
Speaker 3: go boom. So he's getting ready for his coach. I'm
Speaker 3: like I'm like Tom, I'm like, I tore my a CL.
Speaker 3: He's like your other D. I'm like, yes, my other D.
Speaker 3: He's like what and he was gone, next thing, you know,
Speaker 3: and I got you know, doctors and they're they're feel
Speaker 3: my knee out, and then doctor Westerman and doctor Peter
Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, he goes. He's like I'm ninety percent
Speaker 3: SUREY tore e c L. And I was like, I
Speaker 3: was like, I know it's torn, Okay, you don't have
Speaker 3: to tell me. It's like we need to get Amri tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, we don't eat memory. I was like,
Speaker 3: I know it's tour and he's like no, we you
Speaker 3: know what else he did, I'm like, I know, I
Speaker 3: know what's wrong. I just didn't want to know. Really,
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't actually want to know what was
Speaker 3: wrong with my knee. But I was like, I know
Speaker 3: it's torn. And that was kind of like what happened.
Speaker 1: So did you get an MRI the next Yeah.
Speaker 3: Next day and there's you know, completely torn a cl
Speaker 3: just clean the al yea, nothing else. I was very fortunate.
Speaker 3: They always tell me, you know, it's my third time
Speaker 3: tearing a cl and I only ever tore in a
Speaker 3: c L very clean, you know, as clean as it
Speaker 3: can get. They always tell me. So I guess I
Speaker 3: got Really, I'm really good at tearing things very cleanly.
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Speaker 1: You tore your other ACL before you tore that one.
Speaker 3: And instaly finals two years prior.
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you went into the see when you
Speaker 1: went into the Nationals this year, you only had one
Speaker 1: actual torn a c L at the moment.
Speaker 3: Well, they're still my right and he's still torn.
Speaker 1: You didn't get it fix?
Speaker 3: No, I never got fixed.
Speaker 1: What the fun? I uh, why didn't you? Well? I
Speaker 1: was down too old. Then I told my and there
Speaker 1: like he's like, let's go, and I'm like, okay, go
Speaker 1: to the middle of the Matt and I went twenty
Speaker 1: two to two.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing was, I had surgery with an awesome
Speaker 3: doctor and he was pittsgh Steel's doctor, doctor Bradley, so
Speaker 3: he so I was at a great doctor and he
Speaker 3: did an awesome job. But I ended up just freak
Speaker 3: accident tearing it again in the NS away finals and
Speaker 3: like the second period U finals.
Speaker 1: And uh, I was like, and this was yours is
Speaker 1: my sophomore year.
Speaker 3: So when I won my second way, I tore it
Speaker 3: in the second period just randomly. Like the guy who
Speaker 3: was like Matt returning me like from I was standing
Speaker 3: up and like pull me backwards, and then he just
Speaker 3: gave up, and I was like, I was upsex I'm like,
Speaker 3: I I got surgery, and he felt hundred percent wasn't
Speaker 3: wearing a brave nothing boom, just tear it again. You know,
Speaker 3: A year and two months after I have surgery. You know,
Speaker 3: I've only been healthy for like four months really, you know,
Speaker 3: you know how surgery goes. Day seals like you're healthy,
Speaker 3: but like you really start feeling good after like ten months,
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, I don't want to get surgery.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll just see how I do. And
Speaker 3: I just kept wrestling with it, and I wore brace
Speaker 3: all year and now it's pretty strong.
Speaker 1: So that's so when you when you tore your a
Speaker 1: sale in that sophomore match, were you up? Were you
Speaker 1: winning or losing? At that point?
Speaker 3: I was winning, Yeah, I was winning a I think
Speaker 3: I was doing two zero, but he rode me out
Speaker 3: and I got like a stall call. So I got
Speaker 3: like a point for stalling because I made him. He
Speaker 3: was stalling the first pier when I took him down,
Speaker 3: and so I end up waiting a match I think
Speaker 3: five zero in that match, and he chose neutral. I
Speaker 3: took him down. So that was pretty.
Speaker 1: JP and wrestling. Like you're gonna hear phrases like ride
Speaker 1: me out. It's a wrestling phrase, So don't be fucking childish,
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 3: He's gonna make fun of me. I got.
Speaker 1: Ride me out.
Speaker 3: It relaxed, right.
Speaker 1: So at any of these moments, like we've all obviously
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of guys who tear a cls. I've
Speaker 1: been fortunate. I've only told with PCL But was were
Speaker 1: you just not battling pain like with the like I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I see some days they can't walk
Speaker 1: right after. Sometimes there are gentle ones going and then
Speaker 1: they don't feel till later. And I some guys walk
Speaker 1: into surgery obviously they can't like play football, play their
Speaker 1: sport and they get surgery to repair it. Like, are
Speaker 1: you not experiencing pain like after you tear your a.
Speaker 3: C L Well, yeah, there's there's I mean the pains
Speaker 3: really from like the swelling and like you know, you're
Speaker 3: exploding off of it early like just stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So I mean there was more pain at the insulay turn,
Speaker 3: but there would be like like like now like if
Speaker 3: you wait like six months, right right, So, but I
Speaker 3: mean it's not really the pain, it's more like you
Speaker 3: can't do things like like if my buddies wanted to
Speaker 3: go play like spike ball, I can't play spike ball
Speaker 3: like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: It's a good game.
Speaker 3: Hurt myself, right, yeah, like the student stinks like so
Speaker 3: it's like more like that, like there are things that
Speaker 3: inhibit you, like like when I said in the interview, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can't shoot, I can't spur al, I can't you know,
Speaker 3: I really couldn't do anything, like I was basically just
Speaker 3: like walking at the guy like a like a robot
Speaker 3: and was just trying to get my hands on him
Speaker 3: so I could move him with my hands rather than
Speaker 3: being able to explode, like I tackle the guy and
Speaker 3: you get to it. Just like the way I wrestled,
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it and it was just is and
Speaker 3: I really couldn't because really messed me up. Was Yeah,
Speaker 3: my right knee was good, felt good. But after you
Speaker 3: hurt your left knee, you're doing everything again with your
Speaker 3: right name my right niece. I hurt me again. So
Speaker 3: I'm trying to just stay completely. My whole goal was
Speaker 3: stay healthy. At the national tournament, I was just trying
Speaker 3: to say as healthy as I could with a yeah
Speaker 3: when they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both with a torn a cl.
Speaker 3: Well, my sport's a little different than football. I don't
Speaker 3: have to cut or explode or run, you know for
Speaker 3: sure and stayed that you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah for sure, But it's still like the way
Speaker 1: you have to plant and do everything else, Like all
Speaker 1: it takes is for your shoe to get caught a
Speaker 1: little bit on the mat to damage it even more,
Speaker 1: like kind of put you out. But I'm like so
Speaker 1: curious about even the pain the pain factor too. Obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're a tough SLB. Yeah, but like I mean,
Speaker 1: eight days after tearing an a cl right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am a bad Uh. The first one when you
Speaker 1: toured at the NCAA tournament, obviously, I was a championship,
Speaker 1: so you won, so it's like, hey, it's all good
Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, when we got out of it, were
Speaker 1: you feeling more pain after that one than you were
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 3: I would definitely say, my this this one hurt more
Speaker 3: than the one two years ago, I think. But the
Speaker 3: one two years ago I already had sergery on, I
Speaker 3: had a graphing it. I was doing physical therapy for
Speaker 3: like three years, you know. You know, I feel like
Speaker 3: after I tore that one again, I still had like
Speaker 3: a lot of like stuff in my knee keeping it strong.
Speaker 3: So if I mean I was able to do like
Speaker 3: I mean, my my my trainers and my my doctors,
Speaker 3: they were always kind of like making fun of me
Speaker 3: because as soon as I tear it, I they do
Speaker 3: all the test like whether or not you have an
Speaker 3: ACL tearing up without an MRI. And I could do everything.
Speaker 3: I could you know, one one legged squad. I could explode,
Speaker 3: I could jump, I could cut you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but.
Speaker 3: The instance was as soon as like it did, it
Speaker 3: did give out. Like the instance like if you posted wrong, boom,
Speaker 3: like I would just fall in the ground and you
Speaker 3: know that that would hurt like crazy. Then mine you
Speaker 3: would swollow up and then you're getting it drained and
Speaker 3: you're icing it again. You're going you know, you don't
Speaker 3: want to go backwards. So like it was really I mean,
Speaker 3: it was a long process. I mean, surgery is a
Speaker 3: long time. Not having surgery still a long process to you.
Speaker 1: So uh and then the eight day one when you
Speaker 1: had eight days, like what protocols were you kind of
Speaker 1: doing to kind of keep yourself out of the weeds
Speaker 1: of like it acting up. Oh, because you can kind
Speaker 1: of like you probably want to train a little bit
Speaker 1: for the NC double as, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you're probably kind of in shape. I guess, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like what are you doing in those eight days to
Speaker 1: keep swelling down and making sure you're ready to go?
Speaker 1: Like for the freaking national tournament.
Speaker 3: I I had, those were eight days were pretty much
Speaker 3: like living hell to be honest. I mean I was
Speaker 3: doing three three hour workouts a day basically still every day. Well,
Speaker 3: my workouts, I couldn't wrestle, so I would have to
Speaker 3: go in and I do my physical therapy would be
Speaker 3: like to strengthen my quad. It be flexing my quad,
Speaker 3: be doing like stem. I'd be doing you know, exercises
Speaker 3: where I'm firing my quada. Just want to fire your quad,
Speaker 3: you know, because that's keeping the swelling out and you're
Speaker 3: keeping the muscles from atrophy, because once swelling starts, atro
Speaker 3: feed after like twelve hours, actually starts happening to lose muscle.
Speaker 3: That's bad for the Obviously you don't want to lose muscle.
Speaker 3: So I mean I'll be doing like physical therapy for
Speaker 3: like an hour and a half because I had warmed
Speaker 3: like three minutes on a bike, and then I'd have
Speaker 3: to you know, I'd do like jumps and just flex
Speaker 3: my quad and like, and then I'd have to do
Speaker 3: my workout. The coaches then put me through an hour
Speaker 3: and a half workout so I could keep my in shape,
Speaker 3: keep you know, and then I have to you know,
Speaker 3: I'd go home and I basically I had like an
Speaker 3: hour and a half to sleep, and I'd sleep and
Speaker 3: I'd go back in and then i'd hour half a
Speaker 3: therapy into another hour and a half of a workout.
Speaker 3: Then I have to go in at night for like
Speaker 3: my weight way to keep my weight down, because my
Speaker 3: weight's always really good. I'm a big guy at my
Speaker 3: weight class. But for me, it was really hard because
Speaker 3: you go from wrestling every day and being able to
Speaker 3: run because I ran a lot. I loved running. That
Speaker 3: was like my way to like keep my weight down,
Speaker 3: keeping shape, And now I can't run. Yeah, I could
Speaker 3: every step hurt to run. I couldn't run a treadmill
Speaker 3: to save my life. So now I have to bike
Speaker 3: and I have to like aerodyne, and I have to
Speaker 3: for an hour and half and then I half, you know,
Speaker 3: I couldn't even jump ro but so like I was
Speaker 3: you know, arm road machines, everything whatever it could do
Speaker 3: to like another hour and a half and then I
Speaker 3: have to do physical theory beginning with ice in my knee
Speaker 3: and stem and quad every day for like eight days straight,
Speaker 3: like I was. I literally lived in Carverhock Arena like
Speaker 3: for like almost nine hours a day, just trying to
Speaker 3: keep my knee from swelling and to keep in shape
Speaker 3: and to keep my weight down. Like it was just constant, like,
Speaker 3: and my teammates are they're they're they're like getting ready
Speaker 3: for Nash termas, so they're they're tapering, they're not coming
Speaker 3: in as much, they're they're staying off the mat there.
Speaker 3: So I'm in there nine hours a day and they're
Speaker 3: in there for like an hour and a half two
Speaker 3: hours a day. So like it was just like they
Speaker 3: never saw that thing because I was always in at
Speaker 3: different times than everyone else because of COVID, right and everything.
Speaker 3: So I was the only guy, one of the two
Speaker 3: guys in my team who didn't get COVID, So I
Speaker 3: was actually trained different times everyone else because they were
Speaker 3: trying not so I wouldn't get COVID. That's the only
Speaker 3: way you lose, right, So I was just like it
Speaker 3: was just like you're in it. Yeah, I didn't have
Speaker 3: time to do school, like it was either sleep or
Speaker 3: do homework, and I was I was homework. It was
Speaker 3: I was begging my teachers like hey, just let me
Speaker 3: do my homework late, like please.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a student athlete, I'm not trying to do homework.
Speaker 1: We're trying to win championship.
Speaker 3: School supported too, that right, he school's important support everybody. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's first first thing.
Speaker 1: Bro, Yay, that's nuts man. Then you get to the tournament, right,
Speaker 1: And so are you nervous about your first match?
Speaker 3: I hadn't rustled, right, That's why I don't even know
Speaker 3: how my knee felt, right.
Speaker 1: So were you nervous like going into your first match?
Speaker 1: I don't know how this thing's gonna wrap because again
Speaker 1: this isn't You don't have the graph, you don't have
Speaker 1: the stuff that you rehabbed on your other a c
Speaker 1: L like this is a new a CL, like nothing's
Speaker 1: happened to that lake. So were you nervous going into
Speaker 1: like the national tournament thinking like yeah.
Speaker 3: So they had to get me a brace, so they
Speaker 3: get me fitted and then the brace came in like
Speaker 3: two days before nationals. So I never wore the brace
Speaker 3: before on my left knees. So and then you tape.
Speaker 3: I always tape my knee. Then I put a brace on,
Speaker 3: but then it's your knees so stiff from the tape
Speaker 3: and the brace being so tight, I can't I call
Speaker 3: bet my legs like here like it was like so
Speaker 3: I can't even like I couldn't really do anything with it.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to like drill before like my match,
Speaker 3: to see how it felt, and I could like barely drill,
Speaker 3: and like then my knee would like give out one time,
Speaker 3: like before you know, money would give out. So then
Speaker 3: we're trying to make sure it's not swelling. And and
Speaker 3: my coach is like, okay, you're good, you'll be fine,
Speaker 3: you'll be fine. We'll just warm you up like on
Speaker 3: a bike. So I'm warm on a bike, and then
Speaker 3: take my knee, put in the brace on. Then I'm
Speaker 3: going out to wrestle, you know, And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: have no idea what's gonna happen. So I got out
Speaker 3: there to wrestle, and I ended up getting a quick takedown.
Speaker 3: I turned the guy and I got off the mac quick.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ohyah, that's good. That that's the play, and
Speaker 3: that's what we want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got off the mask fast like could.
Speaker 3: That was the That's what I wanted to do. But
Speaker 3: that didn't end up happening to the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 3: All my matches went the full distance after that, so
Speaker 3: I I had to learn how to.
Speaker 1: Were you ever in pain when all this stuff is happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean during the match, you know how
Speaker 3: it is adrenaline Like I was fine, but like my
Speaker 3: more and more problem was like I didn't have the
Speaker 3: ability to do things like a guy. I remember I
Speaker 3: got taken down like twice by a kid in the
Speaker 3: second round, and both times I don't even remember how
Speaker 3: I even got scored on. I'm like, I'm just like wrestling.
Speaker 3: I'm wrestling, and he like grabbed my ankle and pulled out.
Speaker 3: Next thing, I'm on my stomach, like my knee just
Speaker 3: like I couldn't do it, Like I just fell over.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, shoot the top of me, and I'm
Speaker 3: like trying to get away. I'm like, what the heck
Speaker 3: just happened. It's just like there are things that happened,
Speaker 3: and then you come off the mat and then you know,
Speaker 3: after pulling your knee out and your knee hurts. Then
Speaker 3: you're going back home, you're doing the stem, you're doing
Speaker 3: the ice, still flexing. Then you gotta make the weight
Speaker 3: and you still got to compete the next day. So
Speaker 3: it's like I was constantly like just doing these things,
Speaker 3: and it's just like no one sees that. They just
Speaker 3: see the the interview, right like.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, no, excuse sound just.
Speaker 3: Just did yeah no, but there's always more to it.
Speaker 2: So ye.
Speaker 1: Apologize. Yeah my bed is it good though? Okay? All right, cool,
Speaker 1: so you win. Now what's the thought process? This is
Speaker 1: the same thing thinking I don't want to have surgery
Speaker 1: on this a cl like why haven't why why hadn't
Speaker 1: you wanted to fix this knee?
Speaker 3: I just you know, I I said, you know, my
Speaker 3: right knee feel was good. So if I can ever
Speaker 3: get to that point, you know, so.
Speaker 1: You're you you're writing feels good right now? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there's a toy. You don't have a CLS in either, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I could. I can even people don't believe me,
Speaker 3: Like I remember, like ESPN posted that and I don't
Speaker 3: really like reading comments because people are mean, right, So
Speaker 3: I remember I love that? So yeah, there no that
Speaker 3: God everyone knows everything right. So I remember clicking on
Speaker 3: a couple just like I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: I had a lot. I kind of I didn't even
Speaker 3: know ESPN. I never been a ESPN before. You wrestlers
Speaker 3: aren't usally on ESPN. I was like, okay, this might
Speaker 3: be kind of cool. I'm reading the comments. This guy's
Speaker 3: faking it. No way, he's lying. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'll post my my my, I'll screenshot my medical like no,
Speaker 3: he like slapped hair noise or whatever. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't even know the term or anything, but I love.
Speaker 1: That, like the innocence and genuine of just like no,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I wanted to read the comments.
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool being an ESPN. But I
Speaker 1: looked and people are mean something. I probably shouldn't read
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's okay. I mean I made on ESPN.
Speaker 3: I'm happy.
Speaker 1: You know. That's the mind. That's the mind we all need. Like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's just not even dive into this at the bottom fears. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not on Twitter a whole lot. No, never, never,
Speaker 1: I try to stay off there. I try to narrow vision,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Focus?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, like knowing you have two torn A c
Speaker 1: ls right now, and you're going to do this year.
Speaker 1: You're not worried at all because apparently you feel good.
Speaker 1: What are your goals? Like? What are you You're obviously
Speaker 1: going for a fourth you would be one of how
Speaker 1: many to have for of all time? Yeah? Last, and
Speaker 1: that's your company with one of your own Gable right.
Speaker 3: Uh no, Gable you didn't win.
Speaker 1: For I listened to him on Joe Rogan recently. He
Speaker 1: was awesome. I loved listening my dad like growing up
Speaker 1: with the wrestling my dad. That was back when you
Speaker 1: had to buy all the VCR tapes. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: to watch. But who is it?
Speaker 3: Kyle Sanderson, Keile Sanderson, Pat Smith, Logan Steeber, and Kyle
Speaker 3: dak are the four four timers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're probably looking to be the fifth trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta I got a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: I gotta get there.
Speaker 1: So so with because I also read something to where
Speaker 1: you were gonna do something with the Olympic team this year.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so how does that work with wrestling? Because obviously,
Speaker 1: if say any other sport, it's balancing that you're a
Speaker 1: college athlete, but then you also get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be with the Olympic team. Explain how those seasons kind
Speaker 1: of work for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so usually the Olympic Trials or World Trials or
Speaker 3: right after the collegiate season usually you know April or
Speaker 3: you know May. So yeah, so I I that was
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I didn't immediately have surgery,
Speaker 3: was I wanted to make Olympic team. I would have
Speaker 3: probably been the second seed at the trials, second or
Speaker 3: third seed.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was right top three because the one seed was
Speaker 3: the guy who's been on the team the previous years,
Speaker 3: and the two seed would have either been me or
Speaker 3: you know, another guy, So it would depended on how
Speaker 3: the seeding meeting would have gone. So I was right there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I I think I'm you know,
Speaker 3: obviously you got to think you're the best wrestler in
Speaker 3: the world at all times.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're saying you're not, then you're obviously
Speaker 3: lying yourself. Yeah, exactly, and you're in the wrong sport
Speaker 3: in my opinions. So it's individual sports, you versus on
Speaker 3: another guy. So I mean, I was gonna go and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, last second, we made a decision not too.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: I was pretty beat up after Nationals. I I I
Speaker 3: pretty much hurt everything in my knee without hurting everything
Speaker 3: in my knee, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So you basically strained everything everything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fortunately you didn't didn't care anything. Yeah, So I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to wrestle, and the coaches like,
Speaker 3: if it's your choice ultimately, you know, so you don't
Speaker 3: want to regret anything. And end of the day, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't even if I could wrestle the mat right now.
Speaker 3: And I but I wanted to. I wanted to. I
Speaker 3: was like, I can do this. I can you know.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna you know, I'm not gonna make you know.
Speaker 3: I just went viral for some stupid no excuses, right,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna make you know. I got a lot
Speaker 3: of crap for not I got a lot of crap
Speaker 3: for not going on trial. But exactly exactly, That's why
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, like you know I cut, but.
Speaker 1: No doubt, broy I.
Speaker 3: I I just don't know how it would have gone.
Speaker 1: You don't want to damage your knee more than yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're feeling pain, like you just got to know
Speaker 1: when Hey, today's not the day this sucks.
Speaker 3: The Olympics for every four years, and you know, I mean
Speaker 3: I watched and you have a buddy from Japan who
Speaker 3: won Olympics. We said we would go to it was
Speaker 3: in Tokyo, so we'd be there together, you know what
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So, son of a gunments you went
Speaker 3: and won it without me.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta wait for more?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well nice? What's nice with COVID? I guess it's
Speaker 3: only twenty twenty four for three years and it's in Paris,
Speaker 3: so Paris is super cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so you get done with you know,
Speaker 1: you get done with the n C Double a's and
Speaker 1: immediately because the difference with Olympics and what you see
Speaker 1: and on n C dublas for everybody watching and listening
Speaker 1: is in the NC double as it's folk style. When
Speaker 1: you get in the Olympics, you go into freestyle, you
Speaker 1: go into this new kind of season. Yeah. Are you
Speaker 1: also doing freestyle tournaments and Greco tournament? Is there Greco
Speaker 1: in the Olympics?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you doing these tournaments while also in the n
Speaker 1: C Double A season or does the do those seasons
Speaker 1: just happen immediately after the n C A over? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, folks on freestyle are pretty similar like
Speaker 3: on your on your feet, you know, as you know,
Speaker 3: like when you guys are neutral. I mean, maybe people
Speaker 3: don't understand what I'm talking about, but basically they're they're
Speaker 3: very similar. Yeah, they're very similar. Like the styles, they're
Speaker 3: just rule changes, that's all I would say. They're just
Speaker 3: different rules, different scoring a little bit, you know, But
Speaker 3: if you know anything about folks style, you'll you'll be
Speaker 3: pretty good with freestyle, just like there's some certain things
Speaker 3: that change. But we go right into freestyle right after season,
Speaker 3: and we you know, our goal is make world in
Speaker 3: the big teams, you know, when we go to Iowa
Speaker 3: was Tom Tom Brands always says world Olympic and national titles.
Speaker 3: That's what we're training for, and that's so yeah, so
Speaker 3: that's that's the plans, the goal, and yeah, we go
Speaker 3: into it, and then you know, the world change of
Speaker 3: the Olympics usually year and like I would say, like
Speaker 3: August usually, so then right goes right into college season
Speaker 3: right after.
Speaker 1: So it shows that you guys go all year round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no season of wrestling, and then you're kind of
Speaker 1: in the off season like you're all year round. Ye
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, the World's Worlds.
Speaker 3: Every two years, so World Championship every year, and then
Speaker 3: every fourth year is the Olympics.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so did you go Did you do compete
Speaker 1: in the world this year?
Speaker 3: No? So this year, if you're an Olympic medalist at
Speaker 3: your weight, you get to take the World team spot
Speaker 3: of this year. So the guy my weight ended up
Speaker 3: taking Olympic bronze, so he took the week. He's the
Speaker 3: world He'll be the World team member next month as well.
Speaker 3: So got or else I would have tried to compete
Speaker 3: for the World team spot.
Speaker 1: How would you've gotten to compete if he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: medaled at the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would have. He would have probably been in
Speaker 3: the either in the summis or the finals at the trials,
Speaker 3: and then I would have had to go in.
Speaker 1: So you don't even get a shot to win Worlds
Speaker 1: this year?
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: Is that brutal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sucks if you miss Olympics and
Speaker 3: then you missed the Worlds. Yeah, you know, and that's
Speaker 3: your goal. But I mean it's fine. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: still young. I'm only twenty two, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I'll be twenty three next month, so I'm getting not old,
Speaker 3: but like for college, I'm getting pretty over a college kid.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I got five five to ten
Speaker 3: more years maybe competing internationally.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you think, how long do you want to wrestle?
Speaker 3: Gives out?
Speaker 1: So you want to go into Hey, you can't even
Speaker 1: walk like there's.
Speaker 3: No pretty much? Yeah, I mean if you love the sporty.
Speaker 1: Wind, Hey, you both your legs like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: May maybe take a year off gets everything you try again.
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Speaker 1: you yourself and a lot of the majority of wrestlers
Speaker 1: like get this mindset of this individual sport and not
Speaker 1: having any doubt? Is this something you've always kind of
Speaker 1: had or do you feel like there's been times throughout
Speaker 1: your career and your journey since being a little kid,
Speaker 1: just being a little pup, like growing up and just
Speaker 1: like kind of cultivating this mindset of I am the best,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you've never are you
Speaker 1: are you saying like since you've been in college at Iowa,
Speaker 1: even as a young freshman, because there's obviously beasts like
Speaker 1: all across the board, You've never thought like, I'm like
Speaker 1: this dude, like he's he's better than me. But you know,
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a shot here or there.
Speaker 3: Uh So I would say I was always different. I've
Speaker 3: never asked someone for their autograph. I've never asked one
Speaker 3: for a picture.
Speaker 1: Saying he just did out there with me. So it's
Speaker 1: just kidd.
Speaker 3: Totally my first time, first time we'll talk to the
Speaker 3: first time. No, it's it's just because I uh, if
Speaker 3: I saw someone in the rusting community that was like
Speaker 3: Worl Olympic champ and they asked, you know, if everyone's
Speaker 3: getting their autograph, I would say, I'm gonna better than
Speaker 3: him one day, So I don't want his autograph, He's
Speaker 3: gonna want mine. That's kind of what Even when I
Speaker 3: was a little kid, I always thought like that. So
Speaker 3: I I never thought that there was anyone better than me.
Speaker 3: Ever when I wrestled in my entire life, ever, so
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: Fact that you're a three timer. I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of an all But if you hadn't wont anything
Speaker 1: about you, this dude's a fucking sich. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, he's a young kid, right, and
Speaker 1: you see, like Jordan Burrows, you wouldn't want his autograph.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: I'd rather I'd rather be on the team with him
Speaker 3: and be a teammate.
Speaker 1: You know, have you medjored. Yeah, he's a good.
Speaker 3: Dude, awesome guy. Yeah, I'd rather be teammates.
Speaker 1: So and so this is something that's just always been
Speaker 1: a part of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never I've never I've never understood autographs. So
Speaker 3: whenever I was first asked to sign an autograph, when I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, thirteen or something and pa,
Speaker 3: little kids, you know you want a state title? They
Speaker 3: ask you, I was like, why you want my autograph?
Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense to me, just just a signature.
Speaker 3: So like when I see that stuff, it just kind
Speaker 3: of makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Even today, I'm like people with nil you know, people
Speaker 3: were like, oh, you know, I'll pay you to give
Speaker 3: me autograph, And I'm like, now I'll just give it
Speaker 3: to you, like, I just don't think it's really worth anything.
Speaker 1: Oh that's where that's where you're boys got to come in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I don't know how much he wants to be
Speaker 1: on No.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, we don't worry.
Speaker 1: He's talking, he said, no, no, no, no, he's talk here
Speaker 1: thinking if he wasn't sitting here like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have to from that one, I'll be your guy.
Speaker 3: No, but that's not that's that's just how I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: that's how my brain works. Yeah, I totally understand that,
Speaker 3: like what it is and how it works and everything,
Speaker 3: but I just like, don't my brain doesn't compute that
Speaker 3: because I'm like, why wouldn't you just want to be
Speaker 3: you know, better than What about no doubt?
Speaker 1: I said, the autographing, But what about doubt? How have
Speaker 1: you dealt with doubt throughout your career? Well?
Speaker 3: I think that uh, you know, I think doubt creeps
Speaker 3: in on everybody. But the biggest thing is, you know,
Speaker 3: what I've learned being in college because I never I
Speaker 3: think I was almost too confident in high school, Like
Speaker 3: I really thought that I would win the Olympics when
Speaker 3: I was like seventeen, you know, and you know I
Speaker 3: could wrestle with like our Olympian I was, our Olympians
Speaker 3: trained partner, Dan Dennis. He was He's awesome, He's he's
Speaker 3: our region he's our regional training center coach. So he's
Speaker 3: Olympian twenty sixteen. So I knew I could wrestle with him.
Speaker 3: I knew that like where I was, but you know
Speaker 3: I was then I got to college and you kind
Speaker 3: of like open your eyes. The guys are really good
Speaker 3: and people are proving and and you know, I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: can I do this? Yeah, And it's like coaches there,
Speaker 3: there's their job to kind of like reiterate the fact
Speaker 3: that like, yeah, you can do this and like so
Speaker 3: like they really helped me like believe in myself to
Speaker 3: get to that next level because I always just thought
Speaker 3: that one day I'd be the champ. You know, like
Speaker 3: it's just gonna happen, right right, because I was like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the best, like and and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like Spencer, it's really hard to win the Olympics, Like,
Speaker 3: but you can do it, you know if you just
Speaker 3: keep being positive, because like I'm always super negative. Like
Speaker 3: if I even gets scored on like two or three
Speaker 3: times in practice. Ever, like even one time, Like I'm
Speaker 3: I used to like freak out and get upset and
Speaker 3: get mad, like why is he scoring on me? Shouldn't
Speaker 3: score on me? You know, and like hey, this guy
Speaker 3: wants to win too, Spencer, like, you just need to
Speaker 3: keep focusing on yourself, keep positive and keep wrestling. Just
Speaker 3: use that to fuel yourself, right, So like I just
Speaker 3: you know, you get more mature and you learn, so
Speaker 3: it's kind of like no doubt. Just be positive and
Speaker 3: just keep going as hard as you can.
Speaker 1: So were you one of those kids when you lost
Speaker 1: when you were younger, you would you would kind of
Speaker 1: run off and like pout for two hours at a time.
Speaker 1: Well I wouldn't so wicked, So like Cody, he would
Speaker 1: he would lose, but when he lost, he was like
Speaker 1: he you know, he was just like a spoiled brat
Speaker 1: for like the next two hours, like pouting and crying
Speaker 1: and like throwing stuff and everything like that.
Speaker 3: So maybe you know, I, well I totally understand that,
Speaker 3: like for sure, Like I I was never like the
Speaker 3: crying two hours spoiled brat, but for for five minutes,
Speaker 3: for five minutes, you don't go near me, you know,
Speaker 3: even in college. I mean I've lost five times in college,
Speaker 3: so I've lost a lot of times and the end,
Speaker 3: and weren't they all as a freshman? No, I lost
Speaker 3: three as a freshman or two as a freshman. Three
Speaker 3: is sophomore and I haven't lost some then, and and
Speaker 3: I like it's like you can't be near me, Like
Speaker 3: my my dad, remember my dad warning Tom Terry like hey,
Speaker 3: if God forbid, if he ever loses a match, like
Speaker 3: he's like, just just know that he will be fine
Speaker 3: after like five minutes. But if you go to him
Speaker 3: during those five minutes, you're gonna hear things you don't
Speaker 3: want to hear, right, And like so I did end
Speaker 3: up losing, and like I I mean, I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna tell the story because I don't want people to
Speaker 3: hear hear it. To be honest with you, Yeah, well
Speaker 3: I've said some crazy stuff to Tom after I lost,
Speaker 3: you know, like like even like tell hi, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: quit or like you know, just like cause like my
Speaker 3: brain my brain's like how like what is this? Like
Speaker 3: why am I going through this? Like what is this?
Speaker 3: You know it's my because I will never ever blame
Speaker 3: anyone else for a loss, like I feel like I
Speaker 3: get I'm so hard after a loss on myself. It's
Speaker 3: like I suck. I should have done this, I should
Speaker 3: have done that. You know, you never want to say
Speaker 3: you should have, could have, would have? You know you
Speaker 3: never want to ever have doubt, Like you never want that.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm like hard, Like I'm like, I'm the worst.
Speaker 3: I should just hang up my shoes now, I should
Speaker 3: just retire. Like I'm like, you know, but I'm not, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you know your fault. You should have this,
Speaker 3: you should that. It's always like how could I have
Speaker 3: been better? You know? Then I after like five minutes,
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm sorry, Like let's get it's what's next?
Speaker 3: What's next? Best thing?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Because I've lost. I didn't win a Big ten title
Speaker 3: till my like my junior year of college, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was two time national champ and I never
Speaker 3: won Big ten's, you know, and uh, it's like what's next?
Speaker 1: Next?
Speaker 3: Best thing? Was always nationals.
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like when you lost in those
Speaker 1: Big tens that it was gonna carry over? Like you
Speaker 1: had like doubt crept in on those guys who would
Speaker 1: beat you.
Speaker 3: I mean I would that you.
Speaker 1: Were like ready to get to the NC Douce because
Speaker 1: you're like, I.
Speaker 3: Know exactly what. I haven't seen anything, Like they haven't
Speaker 3: seen me at my best yet they have. That's how
Speaker 3: I always thought. And but what always like blew my
Speaker 3: mind was I would like be number one in the
Speaker 3: country and i'd you know, go to Big tens and
Speaker 3: I had to get upset and like the fans would
Speaker 3: be like he's washed, He's gonna lose, Like so he's
Speaker 3: gonna lose at National's. Like hey, seriously, I people say
Speaker 3: crazy stuff like I remember, like I used to get
Speaker 3: like like I don't know, like upwards of like twenty
Speaker 3: dms the day people tell me that I suck when
Speaker 3: like I lost in the Big ten finals the second time,
Speaker 3: you know, and they're just like you suck. You're gonna
Speaker 3: lose again, like your career is doomed. Like I'm just
Speaker 3: like why do people like do that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: I should just be like I want to like talk
Speaker 3: to him, like, hey, you uka like something happened.
Speaker 1: To you, Like they're definitely projecting.
Speaker 3: Something, yeah, like is there something to go on in
Speaker 3: your family life or something.
Speaker 1: That being in some eight nineteen twenty year olds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're washed, Like no, basically harder on me
Speaker 3: than myself. And then my coaches know that, so they know,
Speaker 3: they know, they know if I, you know, lose, give
Speaker 3: me some space and I always come back. I'll always
Speaker 3: be fine.
Speaker 1: What's next?
Speaker 3: How can I be better?
Speaker 1: You know, if you ever went back at a DM
Speaker 1: or I.
Speaker 3: I I would, I would just delete them. Just there's
Speaker 3: no point you're getting You're giving them what they want.
Speaker 3: That was my problem. I knew, I knew I wanted
Speaker 3: to say something, but you can't, you know, because these guys,
Speaker 3: they have the power. They can screenshot it and they
Speaker 3: can post it. You know, if you say something mean, like,
Speaker 3: you're the bad guy at that point, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're you know, you gotta be the bigger man and
Speaker 3: not do that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes I like to be the smaller man.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you man a little bit more.
Speaker 3: See, but you're you're you're funny though, you take it,
Speaker 3: you take it funny.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you make it. You make it. It's
Speaker 1: been a lot of it's been a lot of work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a what are you laughing at? JPN? But
Speaker 1: the doubt and the like the beginning, like in your
Speaker 1: early days, especially like when you get to a collegiate sport,
Speaker 1: like you're you're starting to learn about how much fans
Speaker 1: care because you're not in high school just dominating anymore, right,
Speaker 1: Like how much people care, how much they're like judging you,
Speaker 1: Like how just opinionated everybody is, and that you feel
Speaker 1: like you're under this microscope and you only think about
Speaker 1: your own bullshit, right, So you never realize that pretty
Speaker 1: much every player on the team or every teammate you have,
Speaker 1: is going through something similar and everybody kind of deals
Speaker 1: with the same stuff. So that's what I meant by that, JP,
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about how you go back
Speaker 1: to grind. Grind, I'm talking about back in the day,
Speaker 1: like when shit did with kind of like you're just
Speaker 1: like you're like pissed off, you want to fight them.
Speaker 1: Now you just realize you can have fun with it.
Speaker 5: Spencer, going back to like high school and growing up,
Speaker 5: did you play other sports that were more team oriented
Speaker 5: or was it always just wrestling?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, I played soccer is probably my next favorite sport.
Speaker 3: On a cross country I delivered to football when I
Speaker 3: was younger. I mean I was. I've been the size
Speaker 3: since I was eleven, So five 't three, you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty pounds and I was eleven. I'm
Speaker 3: like one thirty now.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played some football. I played some football. I
Speaker 3: just wasn't very big.
Speaker 1: So I would love to see you in your uni
Speaker 1: as a kid, like with the helmet on, just oversize.
Speaker 1: He's like tipping over.
Speaker 3: So funny. Uh yeah, but I loved I loved other sports.
Speaker 1: Why did you start going wrestling only?
Speaker 3: Well, so in eighth grade, I made the so we
Speaker 3: had we have age group world teams and World Championships.
Speaker 3: So I made the kid that world team at fourteen
Speaker 3: years old. And I went over to World Championships and
Speaker 3: it was in it was rendering, Serbia, and I ended
Speaker 3: up losing two matches there and I was winning the
Speaker 3: match both times, and I kind of just like I
Speaker 3: never really had to, like I always kind of killed
Speaker 3: everyone in freestyle in America. Like those are my first
Speaker 3: two losses. I think I've only lost three. Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: lost three times in freestyle in my life. And those
Speaker 3: two two losses when I was fourteen, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really know what to do. I was like, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I thought I would just kill everybody at the World Championships,
Speaker 3: you know I really seriously, that's just kind of what
Speaker 3: I thought. And then I was I was being them
Speaker 3: pretty good, but I ended up like kind of like
Speaker 3: falling off and they kind of came back both the matches,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I can't be doing other sports,
Speaker 3: Like if I want to be a world champion the
Speaker 3: best of this, I have to only do wrestling. I
Speaker 3: can't put my time to other aches, you know, other baskets.
Speaker 3: And I so I was like, I dad was like
Speaker 3: that I will never have that feeling again, like I
Speaker 3: will win worlds next year, you know.
Speaker 1: So just what a savage like, you know, being so
Speaker 1: like obsessed with the sport, especially like wrestling like it
Speaker 1: is wrestling ever just you like don't want to do
Speaker 1: it for a certain period of time, or you just
Speaker 1: love it so much and want to do it so
Speaker 1: often that you're always ready.
Speaker 3: To fucking I think that's what makes someone like manic
Speaker 3: is when the sport never gets old. You know, it's
Speaker 3: always like how can I be better in this position,
Speaker 3: or how can I be in better shape? How can
Speaker 3: I help someone else, even like I just I always
Speaker 3: just want to be involved in the sports somehow. But
Speaker 3: when I am not in the sport, then obviously like
Speaker 3: it's okay, Like I play video games and you know,
Speaker 3: I try and somewhat social, not the most social personal live,
Speaker 3: but you know, but you know, I'm always you know,
Speaker 3: wrestling is my life. So it's what I do, so
Speaker 3: I live it. I live and breathe it, so don't
Speaker 3: really get sick of it.
Speaker 1: Nuts Like I hated wrestling growing up. I like Cody
Speaker 1: was always the best at it, and when it was
Speaker 1: wrestling season, Cuddy was the favorite kid. And when it
Speaker 1: was which wrestling's more so all year round, so it
Speaker 1: would get the football season, I'd get a little more love.
Speaker 1: But I can never like win state or up and
Speaker 1: I always got like second shit like that. And then
Speaker 1: I quit after like my seventh grade year. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: had to wrestle again my junior high school because I
Speaker 1: didn't go out for the baseball team because I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do football all year round. And I told
Speaker 1: my mom as a sophomore, like, oh, I'll go out
Speaker 1: for baseball next year, because she was like, why don't
Speaker 1: you doing more sports? Because I was like doing every
Speaker 1: sport up until high school and then I kind of
Speaker 1: just started to focus on football. And since I didn't
Speaker 1: go out for baseball like I had said, my parents
Speaker 1: said I could either be grounded all when or I
Speaker 1: could wrestle because my dad, you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: wrestling family. My dad was all about wrestling. And you know,
Speaker 1: Cody now coaches with the Pearlers, like he's part of
Speaker 1: the Pearler team where they travel and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And uh, like I hated wrestling so much, like I
Speaker 1: had to get threatened. You're either wrestling or your ground.
Speaker 3: You're like debating, like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to brag, but I qualified for state.
Speaker 3: Hey I've taken that many years off. That's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: I can roll around a little bit. Yeah, I played
Speaker 1: football in the Brass I didn't wrestle.
Speaker 3: I say, would you? Yeah, Missouri, there's a good state.
Speaker 1: Missouri was solid back then. Back then it was like, uh,
Speaker 1: if I can remember Cody being on team Missouri. It
Speaker 1: was like Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio. I mean I
Speaker 1: was always in there. Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, always been in the deadly team but yeah,
Speaker 1: is that you? Is that you? Yeah? That's me? Is
Speaker 1: that the little Is that the little guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? My football play, my highlight?
Speaker 1: You just were you a running back?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you get after it a little bit.
Speaker 1: That low center of gravity. Yeah, my dad always swore
Speaker 1: by it. He's like, your pro jility's gonna get better,
Speaker 1: and your your low center of gravity, your balance, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I mean, you know, fuck him for being right,
Speaker 1: but it was. It's it's brutal living like this tall
Speaker 1: off the round for like three months of the year.
Speaker 1: I hate running like I'm built. Football players are all
Speaker 1: built for like six seven seconds at a time. Wrestlers
Speaker 1: you're like, these dudes are running for days at a time. Start,
Speaker 1: you know, not eating food. Cody's cutting weight. I wrestled
Speaker 1: two fifteen, but I was two o five, so I
Speaker 1: can kind of give. I'm coming in a huge subway
Speaker 1: or McDonald's or something, and Cody's pissed off. Like then
Speaker 1: my parents would get mad, Hey, you can't eat in
Speaker 1: front of Cody. Cody's gotta make it, you know, dude
Speaker 1: is tough. Man Wrestling just just I have a bad
Speaker 1: tasting my mouth with wrestling growing up. Yeah, spinning cups.
Speaker 1: I'm talking these dudes. If they're a little bit overweight,
Speaker 1: they're like, they'll go into the day of wrestling our
Speaker 1: way in it's like, oh, I'm good, I'm five pounds overweight,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, what are you fucking talking about?
Speaker 1: And then they just take the next thirty eight hours
Speaker 1: to run in sweats where their duct tape around their
Speaker 1: ankles and their wrists where they can keep all the
Speaker 1: sweat in. They're jump roping, they're running, they're sitting in
Speaker 1: saunas or we didn't, you know, not having a sauna,
Speaker 1: we would have to waste all of our hot water
Speaker 1: in our house because you would have to just shut
Speaker 1: the door, stuff towels at the bottom, you turn on
Speaker 1: just the hot water and couldn't be sitting in there
Speaker 1: in garbage bags. Dude to make weight because he wanted
Speaker 1: to wrestle, like, ready to beat some dude's ass. And me,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, maybe I can over under this guy if
Speaker 1: I can hip him and toss in my win. If not,
Speaker 1: he'll sink his scepts and pin me in. It'll be over.
Speaker 1: They will be over. I'll fucking eating chips and said,
Speaker 1: I lose, I go up. My Mom's like, oh, don't
Speaker 1: sit next to me. She's the one mad. I'm like, mom,
Speaker 1: I lost. It was my best day. You've seen any
Speaker 1: crazy weightcut stuff? Well, yeah, you done me? Uh so uh.
Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, I wrestled a one hundred and ten
Speaker 3: pounds So think about that, you guys. Fifty kilograms was
Speaker 3: the weight and I weighed about one thirty. So I
Speaker 3: had to lose like twenty pounds. It took me like
Speaker 3: six months. I shook my boy to be I was
Speaker 3: really this pig. Yeah, it was a night for Wayn
Speaker 3: so I was. I cut five and a half pounds
Speaker 3: probably like two hours for way and started, so I
Speaker 3: was like one fifteen and a half, went down to
Speaker 3: one ten next day I was one twenty five. I
Speaker 3: was insane disgusting that they changed the rules for wrestling,
Speaker 3: because there's no more day before Waynes Now it's two
Speaker 3: hours for international now because so stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: when I was in the Olympics in twenty sixteen watching
Speaker 3: as a training partner, see these guys they're rustling sixty
Speaker 3: five kilos now, which is won forty three and they
Speaker 3: were won twenty five pounders in twenty sixteen and twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen their one forty three pounders just because night per wahyan,
Speaker 3: you make weight, you kill yourself, lose sweat pounds, you're
Speaker 3: barely walking to the scale. Next day, you know, boom,
Speaker 3: you're ten over, thirteen over, fourteen over.
Speaker 1: Are you one of those dudes who're just not fun
Speaker 1: to be around when you're cutting weight?
Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm i I uh, I keep my weight
Speaker 3: low all year round. I'm always constantly basically, I guess
Speaker 3: you could say perpetually cutting weight. But for me, it's
Speaker 3: just like a lifestyle. I think cutting I think cutting
Speaker 3: weight to a lifestyle. Like I hate when I see
Speaker 3: guys who are fifteen twenty over and then then they
Speaker 3: start cutting weight a month four season. Then they're they're struggling,
Speaker 3: they're hurting, they're having bad practices, Like now, I'd rather hurt,
Speaker 3: you know right now? Two months, three months, four months,
Speaker 3: five months, be four season. Even starts them during the season,
Speaker 3: you know, because then you get down, you feel good,
Speaker 3: So it's like an edge when your weight's always good.
Speaker 1: That's probably the right way to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, high school kids do it wrong. That's why you're
Speaker 3: That's why I'm laughing about the plastic bags and the
Speaker 3: and the you know the the you know it well, well,
Speaker 3: when you're young, you don't know any better. I mean
Speaker 3: I was, I was, I was telling you, I was
Speaker 3: Kyle about you know the when I was in high school,
Speaker 3: like I didn't know any better. You you well, my
Speaker 3: dad would tell me that you should work out before
Speaker 3: you weigh in, you know, break a sweat, lose like
Speaker 3: a pound a half and then you feel good. It's
Speaker 3: like you're warm up and then you we warm up
Speaker 3: after making weight. But high school kids, what they do
Speaker 3: is they just don't eat anything the day before, they
Speaker 3: do anything the day of. They don't drink anything the
Speaker 3: day of. So you wait at like seven pm. You
Speaker 3: wrestled at eight you haven't you know, drink anything all day.
Speaker 3: Then you stuff yourself with food and water. Now you
Speaker 3: feel like crap for the match. Dude, they get ready
Speaker 3: to get whatever because you're the one picking, like your
Speaker 3: parents aren't there, and you guys are You guys are
Speaker 3: so good. It's just validating what you guys are doing.
Speaker 1: Like you go out there, you know you're gonna tech
Speaker 1: the guy, like it would be don't pin him too fast,
Speaker 1: work on your stuff. Go out there and tech him,
Speaker 1: like start working on stuff, like, don't just pin it
Speaker 1: like that's easy, Like you'd get not me, he's like me.
Speaker 1: But that's how it was. I assume it was the
Speaker 1: same thing for you, Like you know you're gonna tech
Speaker 1: these dudes, so you kind of just go about your
Speaker 1: life however you want, because you know you're just gonna
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh I could pretty nurse for every match, so I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I took everyone pretty almost too seriously in school. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it doesn't matter that I was. You know,
Speaker 3: I was a three time world champ in high school,
Speaker 3: and you know, I was undefeated in high school, and
Speaker 3: I'm wrestling kids that are you know, they don't they
Speaker 3: don't know pretty much. You know, they're they're like one
Speaker 3: time state qualifiers maybe at the best, and you know,
Speaker 3: so I would, uh, I would, uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: would take them a treat every match like it's the
Speaker 3: Olympic finals.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's how my mindset was always but unrattled.
Speaker 1: Right now, do you have many matches ever even go
Speaker 1: the distance?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah. In college, I had a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean i'd lost five times, so but
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean when I was in high school,
Speaker 3: I probably only had like ten matches out of like
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty to go the distance. So over
Speaker 3: four years.
Speaker 1: I was reading something and I don't even know if
Speaker 1: you even care to even talk about this, but I
Speaker 1: was reading somewhere to where I was talking about the
Speaker 1: company you could be entering by winning the fourth and
Speaker 1: just how you've measured up so far throughout your career.
Speaker 1: But you have your five losses. And when somebody brings
Speaker 1: like a Kale Sanderson who went no losses, yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: people then talk about the style you do it too,
Speaker 1: like you're you're known as I would assume on the
Speaker 1: alls go ahead and say the mount rushmore of like
Speaker 1: scoring like very fast, very high scoring. You were like
Speaker 1: averaging over twelve points a match last year, which seems
Speaker 1: incredibly high. I don't know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 3: Are you asking me where I put myself?
Speaker 1: I kind of want to.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't won yet, so that's.
Speaker 1: True, and so I kind of I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to have to say anything that you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just put that stuff out there
Speaker 1: because I know you are still in college. If you
Speaker 1: were a pro like I would really be trying to
Speaker 1: get that out of you. Absolutely, But I don't want
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: shape Manning's in Nebraska, but I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can count on them to, you know, to help me
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Speaker 1: the boys always in forever. Uh but going in Obviously
Speaker 1: your clip goes viral and you now have a shirt
Speaker 1: because guys can now monetize and name image likeness with
Speaker 1: the new NIL world. I assume you're a huge commodity
Speaker 1: in the nil world because you're an Iowa wrestler. What
Speaker 1: has it been like with the NIL rules changing, and
Speaker 1: what did you initially think? And maybe you didn't think
Speaker 1: that much of it. But also another question I have
Speaker 1: is like how has like it been handled in the university,
Speaker 1: like with your team with that stuff too, because I
Speaker 1: would assume it's as excited as a I was. We
Speaker 1: had like we had hundreds of DMS ourselves. I know, Barstool,
Speaker 1: you're a barsol athlete as well, but I know they
Speaker 1: had several hundred thousand people inquireant sign up for that.
Speaker 1: And all I can think of is my head in
Speaker 1: my head was coach bo Pliniard, Nebraska coach at the time,
Speaker 1: what had us in a team meeting talking about all
Speaker 1: these things, like take us through the transition going into
Speaker 1: this NIL world, how it affected you and how it's
Speaker 1: affected the coaching that's went into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a whole new world, man. I
Speaker 3: Mean you go from you know, not being able to
Speaker 3: make any money. You're you're being super careful. You gotta
Speaker 3: be careful with camps. You gotta tell them everything you make.
Speaker 3: Everything Now it's like you tell them everything you make.
Speaker 3: But like you can pretty much monitor yourself in any
Speaker 3: kind of way that it seemed you know allowed like
Speaker 3: by the law of your state or you know, or
Speaker 3: your compliance office. Everything everything goes to them. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was I mean I wasn't like expecting
Speaker 3: anything crazy, but like I knew that like after like
Speaker 3: my quote and everyone wanted a shirt from my quote,
Speaker 3: and I was like whatever, I guess.
Speaker 1: Because at the time you couldn't put that. You couldn't
Speaker 1: put that on a quote. Yes, so a viral moment happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a prime example. Say the Nile world is happening
Speaker 1: at that time. Within those next few days, that shirt
Speaker 1: hits and you know, you're capitalizing off of that moment
Speaker 1: that you have.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, it would have been I mean that would
Speaker 3: have been like the best timing of course, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean we didn't didn't put a shirt out until
Speaker 3: like you know, July like twenty seventh or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and that obviously happened in March.
Speaker 1: So did you sell a lot of shirts?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean for yeah, I mean it was pretty
Speaker 3: I mean it's still kind of going on, and it's
Speaker 3: been really cool. I mean, Iowa fans are awesome, like
Speaker 3: they're I mean, you probably don't like GOT fans very much.
Speaker 1: But I don't like to give them credit just because
Speaker 1: I have this.
Speaker 3: I totally get it with you, I totally get it,
Speaker 3: but you should.
Speaker 1: You guys love that incredible an incredible wrestling fan base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unreal. I mean, have you ever been to
Speaker 3: a wrestling match in arena?
Speaker 1: No, not not in not in the Iowa, not in
Speaker 1: the Ioway right now, but that shit is lit, dude,
Speaker 1: Like everybody in the stanzyone two and like arguing at
Speaker 1: the ref and wrestling wrestling matches is lit, dude.
Speaker 3: I mean, we averaged like thirteen thousand fans. Really, I'm
Speaker 3: sure it's a match for for wrestling, and it holds
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand around there, so we almost sell it. Every
Speaker 3: time our fans are loud, they're into it.
Speaker 1: So you know, the Nebraska we've sold out all of
Speaker 1: our stuff for since like the sixties.
Speaker 3: The football games, right, yeah, yeah, you guys get donors
Speaker 3: to buy the rest of the tickets up for we're.
Speaker 1: Taking shut now, we're taking shirts. I might have been
Speaker 1: the donor. Hey, I'll do it. We gotta say face here. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I wasn't I wasn't prepared for that. That
Speaker 1: was very good you're on your toes right now. Where
Speaker 1: can you get the shirt? Like, where can people buy
Speaker 1: the shirt if they want to go get the Are
Speaker 1: they available right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean there's the barstool shirts on the barstool website.
Speaker 1: They store, yeah, store do barstoolsports dot com. You can
Speaker 1: go what category is it under you search? Come on now,
Speaker 1: don't way around that website.
Speaker 3: I didn't just all I remember was it was like
Speaker 3: on the front page when I looked it up the
Speaker 3: one time. So that's no, that was that was That
Speaker 3: was That was. That was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll drop the link to where you guys if
Speaker 1: you are Iowa fans, Spencer Lee fan, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're about not having excuses, then you need to buy
Speaker 1: the shirt. Because my man's got an unelectric. That's a
Speaker 1: dope shirt. It's like it's got like a little uh,
Speaker 1: it's got like it reminds me kind of like a
Speaker 1: like a w c W vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That weird the shirt that the writing no excuses. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of about Wolfs tee from Walmart. But you're
Speaker 1: in the middle and then you got like this this
Speaker 1: nice Go buy the shirt. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, like, how are you balancing the two?
Speaker 1: So I got something your coach has brought you guys
Speaker 1: in and talked about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that we have. We had a lot of meetings
Speaker 3: with it. Our compliance talked to us a lot. We
Speaker 3: we use an app called Influencer and we have to
Speaker 3: put report everything through there. There's a bunch of resources
Speaker 3: on there too that our compliance office is really big
Speaker 3: and to like if you need help, like there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people you can go too. Because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I I just I try not to focus on you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about like how much money can I make.
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, these are awesome opportunities and
Speaker 3: what's best for my brand and how can I promote
Speaker 3: the sport or wrestling the best, you know, being ambassador
Speaker 3: of the sport. And you know, at the same time,
Speaker 3: my main focus is winning you know, my fourth national
Speaker 3: title and winning every match this year and being healthy
Speaker 3: and not it's not just about how much money can
Speaker 3: I make, you know, because I feel like people are
Speaker 3: so focused on like how much can I make or
Speaker 3: how can this opportunity to do signing here pictures here,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to take time out of my day.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the best kind of way to make
Speaker 3: money right there is have a shirt, have someone else
Speaker 3: make it for me. And so yeah, yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 3: that was I mean, that was the easiest way I
Speaker 3: mean sending you know, it was talking with Dave, which
Speaker 3: is super cool to fortnite. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, how's he with you?
Speaker 3: He was like, I mean it was like I was like,
Speaker 3: is there someone else I could I could talk to that?
Speaker 3: You know, He's like, no, You're gonna work with me.
Speaker 3: I'm like like, okay, like that sounds good. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: that was like the coolest.
Speaker 1: Thing, you know.
Speaker 3: So really I was really like kind of like blown
Speaker 3: away abou how like easy that was, and how like
Speaker 3: you know, down to earth it was, you know, for
Speaker 3: that to opportunity to happen. He was super into it.
Speaker 1: Yea, I understand what you're saying, because I mean, clearly
Speaker 1: number one, you're a three time NCAA. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone questions where your brain would be at with monetizing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But it's also super interesting to
Speaker 1: be in a spot like you because guys athletes can
Speaker 1: now monetize image and likeness, And you're right, it's not
Speaker 1: beneficial to take time out of your day to go
Speaker 1: do signings unless it's something that's planned way in advance.
Speaker 1: Like the advice that I feel like I would give
Speaker 1: an athlete if they wanted to find ways to take
Speaker 1: advantage of it is having infrastructure that takes care of
Speaker 1: it while you can do what you want to do.
Speaker 1: Having your own shop. Obviously for you, you get to be
Speaker 1: a barsol athlete. You get to be a credible one,
Speaker 1: like somebody who's a legend to be a barsel athlete.
Speaker 3: What is this right here, Rudis that's that's that's like
Speaker 3: the brand that I signed with. So it's like, oh nice, yeah,
Speaker 3: so the wrestling company by wrestlers.
Speaker 1: And when I say legend everything, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: to like, you know I I you know, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that for everybody else. Like I'm saying that the people
Speaker 1: listening like you are in a credible spot. And the
Speaker 1: benefits for you to do that is having this infrastruy
Speaker 1: behind you so that way you can focus on wrestling
Speaker 1: and not bend over backwards to try and figure out Okay,
Speaker 1: how do I make money now? Yeah, I definitely don't
Speaker 1: think you do that at all. Number One, you're in wrestling.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's the most financially benefits of sport
Speaker 1: out there. But it's good to be an iowall wrestler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in these big schools because whether it's national or
Speaker 1: even local, like I'm assuming you guys might get your
Speaker 1: your team might get benefited by somebody local eventually during
Speaker 1: the season with this nil stuff. If you're a smart
Speaker 1: local business, it brands you guys behind that. But it's
Speaker 1: good to be like an iowall wrestler, even though it's
Speaker 1: not the best. Wrestling is not the best sport to
Speaker 1: be in, but being in your guys' shoes, like you
Speaker 1: guys can capitalize a little bit more than I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of those other schools out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's super awesome. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 3: what's really cool about like the like the you know,
Speaker 3: this city, the fan base, like you know that we
Speaker 3: had an awesome Dan gible era kind of like grew
Speaker 3: that that that that image of us, and that's why
Speaker 3: we averaged the amount of fans at a wrestling match
Speaker 3: I mean when I first went to an i rustling match,
Speaker 3: I blew my mind.
Speaker 1: You know when you think I would think wrestling, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which you know we at least you know,
Speaker 3: we're trying, you know, well yeah we were like we
Speaker 3: find the country right now, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I can hear the Malason's voice particularly. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a good Oklahoma close game, you know, but uh,
Speaker 3: it was a great game. Actually, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: watch a lot of football all time.
Speaker 1: You missed a couple of field goals, field goes and
Speaker 1: then extra point we win.
Speaker 3: The game, yeah, which it would have been a big
Speaker 3: upset of awesome for you guys. So just.
Speaker 1: Play that game with him.
Speaker 3: Well I do. I mean, I think wrestling is ingrained
Speaker 3: in Iowa, you know, right, like every like small high school.
Speaker 3: It's like the wrestlers are like the cool kids, you know,
Speaker 3: like I remember like talk and even the Iowa kids
Speaker 3: like they're like really cool in high school. It's almost
Speaker 3: like they almost get like less cool when going into
Speaker 3: college unless they go to like Iowa. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 3: you know, like big schools that they're doing really well.
Speaker 3: It's like crazy, there's so like the Iowa State tournament
Speaker 3: for wrestling is like packed, like there's like there's not
Speaker 3: a lot of seat to take in there, Like it's crazy,
Speaker 3: like people love it. They schools will let their entire
Speaker 3: school out for like three days, no no school, just
Speaker 3: to go watch our wrestling state tournament. So like it's ingrained.
Speaker 3: Like you know, so like then these kids, they they
Speaker 3: become wrestling fans and you know, then then they go
Speaker 3: to IO wresting duels and then then you know, everyone's watching.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a family event. People go there
Speaker 3: like yeah, So it's like so I think it's so
Speaker 3: when you're an IO wrestler with n il and stuff
Speaker 3: is you know, I think there's an opportunities that might
Speaker 3: come just because you are right. So I think that's
Speaker 3: super And.
Speaker 1: Not to mention you guys don't get now unless it's
Speaker 1: changed since I was playing, But you guys don't get
Speaker 1: full rise either, or does wrestling get.
Speaker 3: Full Oh you get nine point nine scholarships.
Speaker 1: Correct for some guys might be a full might be
Speaker 1: a full ride guy.
Speaker 3: Right, just thirty six spots and a roster, so it's
Speaker 3: hard to get.
Speaker 1: Some guys get divvied up. It's not like it's not
Speaker 1: not NFL. It's not like a college football or college basketball,
Speaker 1: college volleyball even you get full rides. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like baseball where you get a certain amount of cartials partials.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of partials that go around. So if
Speaker 1: you're you can still benefit from that way. Like are
Speaker 1: you you a full scholar guy?
Speaker 3: Now, I mean I have I do have a scholarship.
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, okay, you have that's good answer.
Speaker 1: Do you have a scholarship? But say, like the hypothetical is
Speaker 1: that Spencer Lee does not have a full right scholarship.
Speaker 1: You're able to benefit off of rules like this, whether
Speaker 1: or not we know you're not focused on it, but
Speaker 1: you're able to benefit to help you offset those costs
Speaker 1: that you're paying to go to school.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I saw like an article about like
Speaker 3: Ivy League schools because they don't get scholarships. I saw
Speaker 3: that they were trying to trying to use nil as
Speaker 3: like an opportunity where they can kind of make up
Speaker 3: that gap from other schools for like recruiting purposes. Even so,
Speaker 3: I think that's like a really good way of put
Speaker 3: did like just like that because like even could help
Speaker 3: like us with recruiting too, Like let's say we got
Speaker 3: a guy who's like a full ride guy and we
Speaker 3: gotta get him, but like we only have a fifty
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a way we can We university cannot help
Speaker 3: career athlete get their money, but I'm saying like, if
Speaker 3: he's able to perform, he can maybe maybe make up
Speaker 3: that gap of correct that and then he's able to
Speaker 3: like not have debt in college, which I think is
Speaker 3: like obviously you never want to be in debt, so
Speaker 3: like I think that's right.
Speaker 1: It's the thought of going like, oh, all these athletes
Speaker 1: want to make money, yeah, versus like, no, they're not
Speaker 1: making money. They're closing the gap on the expenses of
Speaker 1: their paying to go to school when they don't get
Speaker 1: full rides. Like a sport like wrestling, Do you have
Speaker 1: any interest in doing anything else outside of wrestling?
Speaker 3: Like MMA WW I I was like got a joke
Speaker 3: because like Gable Stevenson, he he got signed a w W.
Speaker 3: I was always joking, and I was always gona be like,
Speaker 3: like you ever need a buddy, you know, hit me up,
Speaker 3: you know, but uh, I never actually like meant that,
Speaker 3: like for real, would you at WWE. I don't know,
Speaker 3: don't well, do they really want a five ft three
Speaker 3: hundred and three pound man A w W?
Speaker 1: You know maybe one everyone goes everyone.
Speaker 3: I see, I was just gonna say that, everyone goes
Speaker 3: Rain misterial. He's like five six. You know, I'm five
Speaker 3: to three, you know, much smaller I am than him.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm like fifty pounds lighter than him, and
Speaker 3: I'm three inches shorter. I'm just saying, yeah, but you
Speaker 3: know his name. Everyone knows his name. Everyone knows who
Speaker 3: Raymisterio is.
Speaker 1: That's all we got to do is work on your
Speaker 1: mic skills, so athlete, Now you're busting with the boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. And I think I was that's
Speaker 3: not happening. Imagine me. It looked like a little royed
Speaker 3: up and freaking lever coat, you know. But uh, I
Speaker 3: always think I was born to be a fighter. Combat
Speaker 3: sports have always been really good at like like body
Speaker 3: awareness and like movement, and so I think, I mean,
Speaker 3: and then they could be in my future. But I've
Speaker 3: never like thought of it. I never wanted to be
Speaker 3: a guy who got punched his face for a living.
Speaker 3: But you know, if it's an opportunity that ever comes
Speaker 3: to rise and it's something that I feel is best
Speaker 3: for me, then like I would fight. I just I
Speaker 3: just don't think it's something you should, you know, be like,
Speaker 3: oh I might fight, you know, that's not it's a
Speaker 3: fight game. That's not something you kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: joke around either, got you exactly, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 3: want to, like, you know, you gotta know you're gonna
Speaker 3: get hurt, You're gonna get hit. You know, it's not
Speaker 3: something you just gonna go out there and just murder everyone,
Speaker 3: you know, unless you're like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like a bibe or something, but he's he's a different breed,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But have you dabbled with MMA at all, like in
Speaker 1: any of your off seasons.
Speaker 3: Well, my parents did judo, so like there's a there's
Speaker 3: some grappling in judo kind of like jiu jitsu on
Speaker 3: the mat with judo, So like I know, I like,
Speaker 3: I know how to defend myself, but I never really
Speaker 3: I don't know how to strike. I don't know any
Speaker 3: of that stuff. So if I ever did it, it'd
Speaker 3: be like the only thing I'd be proficient and will
Speaker 3: obviously be wrestling as like a martial arts.
Speaker 1: So shoot, we got Michael Chandler bro, we could just
Speaker 1: hit up Mike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the wrestler.
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, speaking of what was his name, uh,
Speaker 1: the one who went to w W, Gable, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is it? Is he also a college athlete while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna wrestle in college this season and
Speaker 3: then good w W after I think.
Speaker 1: So he's not doing anything w W now in season.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna just use his name, his likeness,
Speaker 3: and he's gonna you know, I think he's only gonna
Speaker 3: do home matches for him and then I think, actually
Speaker 3: I think he said the only away match he might
Speaker 3: wrestle would be Iowa, which is awesome. But uh then yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think they're whatever they need to use him
Speaker 3: for for that. I mean, he might do like appearances
Speaker 3: and stuff at events, but he ultimately his goal will
Speaker 3: obviously to be a national champion again, and then he's
Speaker 3: going to go into WW and try and be a superstar.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome. It's really good for our sport. I mean,
Speaker 3: if he keeps winning, it's good for us. I mean
Speaker 3: good for him, of course, but like it's good for us.
Speaker 3: That's my main goal is to have wrestling grow to
Speaker 3: be a bigger sport. I mean it will never be,
Speaker 3: you know, a big sport like football or basketball, just
Speaker 3: because the rules and it's you know what it is
Speaker 3: as it is. You know, that's why.
Speaker 1: And then they why don't you think he could football
Speaker 1: or basketball?
Speaker 3: So if I grabbed one of you guys and I
Speaker 3: made you watch my match and took the scoreboard off,
Speaker 3: could you score it? No?
Speaker 1: Now if I if I grab say that again.
Speaker 3: So if I and I made them watch a match
Speaker 3: of wrestling.
Speaker 1: Oh got ya? I was thinking physically and I took.
Speaker 3: The floor and I took the scoreboard off, could he
Speaker 3: score it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Well, if I pull you into a MMA Matt fight
Speaker 3: and you've never watched it MO before, could you understand
Speaker 3: what's going on? Yeah, one guy's getting punched in the face,
Speaker 3: the other guy's getting punched in the face, and if
Speaker 3: the guy taps or gets knocked out, who wins? Right,
Speaker 3: That's why it's so popular. It's a sport where anyone
Speaker 3: with football. I mean, obviously these sports are way way
Speaker 3: more complicated. Like obviously football isn't just you throw a ball,
Speaker 3: catch a ball run a ball run, you know, but
Speaker 3: like if you it's obviously the ball wants to go
Speaker 3: to an end zone. The ball wants to go into hoop, right,
Speaker 3: you will hit a baseball out of a field. Wrestling,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, his hand didn't touch the mat, so
Speaker 3: that's not a takedown, that's not points. He turned away,
Speaker 3: there's no points and he got away. You have to
Speaker 3: actually know the sports, so I don't I think the
Speaker 3: unless they like simplify the rules maybe in wrestling, which
Speaker 3: will be hard for wrestlers because there are rules like
Speaker 3: that for reason. For wrestlers we understand, but like for
Speaker 3: a fan, it's really hard. That's why restart wrestling isn't
Speaker 3: as popular because it's different than college. So you can
Speaker 3: get into call. Then you watch freestyle, it's like, what's
Speaker 3: what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So I think that's the biggest thing for us.
Speaker 1: Will ever go to like just freestyles since that's the
Speaker 1: Olympic sport.
Speaker 3: I wish they did, but I think it'd be impossible
Speaker 3: because in freestyle you're allowed to slam a guy as
Speaker 3: far as you can on their head and there's no penalty.
Speaker 3: You get you know, rewarded for that and folk style
Speaker 3: you get disqualified for that.
Speaker 1: I think that'd make it more popular.
Speaker 3: It would definitely make it more popular. But I think
Speaker 3: the way, you know, kind of like the sport is
Speaker 3: in America, how people are I mean, imagine having a
Speaker 3: you know, a little kid go up for wrestling and
Speaker 3: he just gets supplexed on his head and that's you know,
Speaker 3: like yeah kind of you know, because like imagine you'restling
Speaker 3: kid he's been wrestling for four years and he's he's like,
Speaker 3: he's he knows about it, he's pretty good, and a
Speaker 3: new kid comes out and he has what he's doing,
Speaker 3: gets you know, doc supplex right out of his head.
Speaker 3: What's a mom and to think, oh my god, my son. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's like that's kind of why I think folk
Speaker 3: style kind of developed. I don't actually know why, but
Speaker 3: that's my theory. I think that they wanted rules that
Speaker 3: were safer and you know, easier to like watch and
Speaker 3: anyone can do other than like you know, you pretty
Speaker 3: much could break a guy in half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't know shit, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a good theory. I did. Well, he's kind
Speaker 1: of seems like he's thought about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, I mean, I'm trying to I want
Speaker 3: to go to the sports.
Speaker 1: What would be what rule would you change in folk
Speaker 1: style to make it easier to watch? What's something that
Speaker 1: you would be like, I would change this rule if
Speaker 1: this was.
Speaker 3: The first Maybe A push out rule is kind of
Speaker 3: the big thing everyone wants. It's like, you push your
Speaker 3: guy to bounds, you get a point. That's a rule
Speaker 3: in freestyle, so like if your foot goes out of
Speaker 3: bounds first, that's a point and folks out a lot
Speaker 3: of times, guys, the rule is if there's any point
Speaker 3: of your body in bounds that you can continue to wrestle.
Speaker 3: So if I just had my finger in words out
Speaker 3: of bounds, you can keep wrestling right the raft will
Speaker 3: and blow it out when both bodies have left the mat.
Speaker 3: I think that's really complicated. There are rules like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're on your back, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and freestyle, if your back exposes the points are scored
Speaker 3: in folks out you have to hold them. So it's
Speaker 3: just there's like a little differences like that. But I
Speaker 3: think a push out rule is pretty simple. You can
Speaker 3: understand that, Like if I push you off the mat,
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 1: A point right, So yeah, what else I.
Speaker 3: Mean wrestling in the old like WAYBC when it was
Speaker 3: like one of the first sports. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: the rules then were like you had to make a
Speaker 3: guy tap like before I'm talking like like the oldest
Speaker 3: sport like wrestling. I think Rescuse wrestling was like super
Speaker 3: popular in Collis Suns and stuff. People would wrestle and uh,
Speaker 3: people would fill up stadiums for for wrestling, which you know,
Speaker 3: And then I think the rules then were either it
Speaker 3: was either like three takedowns, which meean you just had
Speaker 3: to like take them down to the ground, or it
Speaker 3: was like you had to make someone like tap or
Speaker 3: like quits, like you'd like impose your will on someone.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that would make it more popular,
Speaker 3: but I was always like kind of thinking like what
Speaker 3: made it so popular back then? And like those are
Speaker 3: very simple rules, right, Like you can understand that, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you could. I mean whatever, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that, but like I'm saying like it was
Speaker 3: obviously I mean different eras of course, but like if
Speaker 3: it's simple, if it's yeah, if it's one guy has
Speaker 3: beat another guy, I mean when it comes to rules,
Speaker 3: I mean I take advantage of the rules today, Like
Speaker 3: I score a lot of points in like turning people
Speaker 3: in my my wrestling, and that wouldn't really do anything
Speaker 3: in the rules I'm saying, So it wouldn't benefit me
Speaker 3: at all. Actually, it would actually hinder me, to be honest,
Speaker 3: because I scored a lot of points really fast because
Speaker 3: of the way the rules are. And if it was
Speaker 3: just like impose your will on someone who's tougher, like,
Speaker 3: that would be different.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that's solid. Yeah, I like to
Speaker 1: push I should listen to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's been talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it sucks, like you know, saying the
Speaker 1: legend all that stuff, like I know, you got to
Speaker 1: go win the Natty this year, Like I know that
Speaker 1: your goal. I know that's your goal. And not to
Speaker 1: like downplay or anything else. I clearly hope you do.
Speaker 1: And we can wear our Spencer Lee shirts. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it happens. Appreciate it. You guys have any questions for him?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do after as of right now?
Speaker 1: Like the lifes of wrestling?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what mean they could do a lot of things.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could go into coaching, maybe coach at
Speaker 3: I was like, it was always like the path that
Speaker 3: I was kind of on. I mean I could, I
Speaker 3: could fight, I could I could do entertainment like w W.
Speaker 3: If I was ever if anyone's ever interested in me,
Speaker 3: if that was something I really thought about. You know,
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be like an athletic director of
Speaker 3: a division school, you know, so so I could. I
Speaker 3: mean I have a school like yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 3: always had different You have a lot of different paths
Speaker 3: I could do. I mean, never really know what's gonna
Speaker 3: happen with life, right, kind of hits you differently. I
Speaker 3: mean I'm I'm super young obviously, so we all a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff I could do. So you are young, Yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty two is young, right, I mean were you three two?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah? Were you about to try to go
Speaker 1: with the joke there? Were you about to go into
Speaker 1: an old.
Speaker 6: Joke when you're not a full steam ahead with wrestling.
Speaker 6: What are some other things you enjoy doing, like other
Speaker 6: sports maybe hobbies?
Speaker 3: What are your other interests? I love I love archery,
Speaker 3: like traditional archery. I'm actually carving my own bow out
Speaker 3: of like you know, it's a black locust wood with
Speaker 3: my buddy named Sam Coat. He loves this podcast. He'ld
Speaker 3: be pretty pumped. I said that, so it was it
Speaker 3: was named Sam Sam Coats and so Sam Coats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey Sam Coach, shout out you big dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an easy so he he has to carve
Speaker 3: my bow and which is awesome. So I love like
Speaker 3: I don't do like compound or I don't really hunt.
Speaker 3: I love target shooting. I love video games. Me and
Speaker 3: my buddies built our PCs, so we all played video
Speaker 3: games together. So video game I played. I played League
Speaker 3: of Legends, which is pretty pretty nerdy game, but they
Speaker 3: played like Fortnite and war Zone and all the you know.
Speaker 1: Epex like Black Lotus would Black Locust yet Black Locust
Speaker 1: would Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Expencer, have you dabbled into the twitch world then, like
Speaker 6: h I mean I did it for like a little
Speaker 6: bit after COVID happened two years ago, just because I
Speaker 6: was so bored, like we could we weren't even allowed
Speaker 6: to train and carver because of COVID, so we couldn't
Speaker 6: even Like the only thing you could do is run,
Speaker 6: you know, it can like run so much.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I mean I would run. I mean
Speaker 3: i'd run like five miles a day. But like at
Speaker 3: some point, at some point, like you're you know, I
Speaker 3: got bad needs somewhat. So it's it's like so I
Speaker 3: was like I can't do that anymore. So I started
Speaker 3: I streaming a little bit. It was fun. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it's different. It's not like it's that's as
Speaker 3: it's a full time job if you actually wanted to
Speaker 3: do it. So it's something hard. You know, penwill No,
Speaker 3: I gotta give him credit. I gott give him credit.
Speaker 3: He was a wrestler.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You know, he's a wrestler. He's big, he's strong, he's
Speaker 3: you know, he's tough. He's not gonna you know, No,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: But a lot of stoicism comes with being thirty two.
Speaker 3: You're getting married.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you in a stoicism? I just start trying to,
Speaker 1: like I thinkism. I'll put you on a book.
Speaker 3: After we get Yeah, all right, Well I love reading,
Speaker 3: so yeah do you like reading? Yeah? I love reading.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better at reading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I mean you give me get better read
Speaker 3: more often? Both both, he's doing both. He's getting better, wow,
Speaker 3: doing it more often? There we go.
Speaker 1: We're reading more often? Yeah, me reading more often. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on man is Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Dude tearing a CLS, winning natties, carving black locust wood
Speaker 1: wants to go old Testament rules. You just can't. You
Speaker 1: just don't make him like this dude anymore. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Well, you do, but maybe just in
Speaker 1: the wrestling world. But I appreciate you coming on man.
Speaker 1: It has been fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Have we have? We not hit anything? I don't want
Speaker 1: to say your name you though I know who you are. Solid.
Speaker 1: We did We did good too, all right? Uh, Spency's
Speaker 1: got his chaperone here. No, but thanks man, go to
Speaker 1: uh again. If you want to support my man, Spencer Ley.
Speaker 1: You heard you heard us talking about nine point nine scholarships,
Speaker 1: get divvied up in the on the wrestling rosters. If
Speaker 1: you want to get behind an athlete that is on
Speaker 1: his way. I won't even say that. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to put too much pressure on the kid.
Speaker 1: But you want to help a dude out and go
Speaker 1: buy a shirt. You can get that on store dot
Speaker 1: barstool sports dot com. It's called the excuses are for
Speaker 1: Woos's tea. You buy that simple twenty eight bucks, you
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Speaker 1: I know you guys are all about the boy Spencer.
Speaker 1: Everybody else listening you now know who Spencer Lee is.
Speaker 1: So keep your eye out for the boy because he's
Speaker 1: now representing bustling with the boys along with being a
Speaker 1: barstool athlete. But he is now one of the boys.
Speaker 1: So we're about to go balls out. It's going to
Speaker 1: be tough for an Iowa guy, but Spencer is somebody
Speaker 1: I can get behind it. I'm rooting for you, bro.
Speaker 1: I hope you get this fourth. It's going to be
Speaker 1: sick and we're gonna be screaming from the top of
Speaker 1: our lungs, probably at our TVs. Maybe maybe we'll go,
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll go watch the boy. That could be sick.
Speaker 3: When when are the National March nineteenth? I think to
Speaker 3: the twenty first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we might be I think that would be sick.
Speaker 1: Get a little section. Oh hey, hey, brain's going we'll
Speaker 1: have to figure something out. But hey, good luck, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for coming on. You have fun.
Speaker 3: I had awesome. This is a blast.
Speaker 1: I love it Ye. Shout out the Nebraska corn Huskers
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