1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and it's just short stuff. Getty up, let's 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: go a little sailor salon towards short stuff. Now, yeah, 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: this is about chinatowns. And uh, I found this to 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: be very interesting because I love a good Chinatown or 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: a good japan town, or I like town. I like 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: ethnic groupings, love Koreatown. He so live in your Koreatown 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: in l A. Actually I was in Little Armenia technically 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: was my neighborhood. But I like groupings of ethnicities. I 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: think it's cool. I think it's something that people might 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: naturally do. But in the case of Chinatowns, it's not 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: only something that can help immigrants as they come into 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the country and did from the very beginning. But sadly, 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: the dark side is they were a necessity because of 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: racial exclusion and and to protect themselves sin seek refuge 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: among their own because for many, many years in this 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: country there was, and some might say there's anti Asian 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: bias that continues today in the wake of covid Um. 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: And by some might say, I mean it's fairly obvious 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: because what's going on very sadly, but for many many 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: years in this country there was a very much anti 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: Chinese immigrant feeling going on. Um. A lot of it 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: had to do with, you know, good old fashioned Americans 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: thought that Chinese immigrants were taking their jobs. And Chinese 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: immigrants did come to this country on mass starting in 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds of Chinese immigrants came in the eighteen 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: fifties alone. Yeah, that's quite a bit. UM. And they 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: were drawn to the United States pretty understandably because all 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden America was this land of opportunity, UM, 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: and the westward expansion was producing a lot of railroad jobs. 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: There was a gold rush in California at the time. 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: Apparently the um lumber mills and the lumber industy stream 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest was really getting going. UM. And so 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: it attracted a tremendous amount of Chinese people. And at 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: first I get the impression I think from this is 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: this a how stuff works article? You got? Um. It 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: basically makes the point that you know, at first, UM, 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: the influx of Chinese immigrants in the mid nineteenth century 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: where was tolerated, if not just you know, if not welcome, 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: they were it was fine. And then UM, as they 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: started to show up in greater and greater numbers, faster 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: and faster than the xenophobia really kicked in. And like 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: you said, um, they were they were basically like you 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: go over here and and you stay together. And this 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: is a really great example of um Chinese immigrants making 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: lemon chicken out of lemons um and creating these really vibrant, 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: really interesting communities that almost as like, well, can we come, 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: can we come eat over? And your and your little 49 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: enclave that we forced you guys to make um And 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: that's where those China towns came from. It's a pretty 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: cool example of of of of something good coming out 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: of something bad. You know. Yeah, the first formally recognized 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: Chinatown was in San Francisco, and this was in the 54 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: eighteen fifties, and it was called Little Canton at the 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: time because most of the immigrants in that area at 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: the time were from what was known as Canton in 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: southeastern China. Today it's known as I would say Guangso, 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: but I'm sure that's wrong. What is it guang joe? Really? Yes, 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: a new day and stuff you should know history pronunciation. Uh. 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: In the eighteen fifty three, I think is where when 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: they first actually said the word Chinatown in the newspaper, 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: and it was about a twelve block area, twenty two 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: thousand Chinese immigrants, so many people by the end of 64 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties, and at the time, because of the 65 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: Page Law from eighteen seventy five that prevented Chinese men 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: from bringing their wives and kids, it was there was 67 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: a ratio of twenty men to every woman in Chinatown 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: because either single men only were coming over or men 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: left their families behind to come over. Right, So, I 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: mean twenty one in twenty two thousand people living in 71 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: uh in in I guess San Francisco's Chinatown in the 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: eighteen eighties and a twelve black district, and um, only 73 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: hundred of them were women. That's nuts, dude, but them 74 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: as I guess, America started to ease its immigration laws, 75 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: especially against the Chinese immigrants after World War Two. It 76 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: took quite a while, and so finally women, um, wives, daughters, 77 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: moms started coming over. And I get the impression that 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: the character and the complexion of um chinatowns or in 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: the United States started to change. They became a little 80 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: more family oriented. Yeah, And if you've ever been to 81 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: a chinatown, you uh have probably seen what's known as 82 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: a a pi fang, which is, you know those beautiful 83 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: decorated gateway arches that sort of lead you into the district. UM. 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: The business districts are usually defined by a few different 85 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: uh A few. I mean, well, there's there's tons of 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: Chinese owned businesses. Obviously, they very early on were involved 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: in shoemaking, laundry service, cigar production, and they serve Chinese people, 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: they serve white people. And in those days, the organizations 89 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: that serve the actual immigrants in Chinatown were broken down 90 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: into social organizations uh, district and family organizations, which were 91 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: further broken down into like what region basically you came from, 92 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and then what's known as tongs uh. These are brotherhoods 93 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: that they would provide housing and jobs or legal services 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: for people just arriving into the community. Yeah, because, I 95 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: mean that was one of the greatest functions and first 96 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: functions of Chinatown. UM in the United States was too too. 97 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: It was a place where if you were a Chinese immigrant, 98 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: that's where you went and the community would help take 99 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: care of you. UM, which is a it's a that's 100 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: a pretty great thing to have when you're newly arrived 101 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: in a new country. You know, I think so too. 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Should we take a break, I think, go to the 103 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: dark side. Yeah, exactly, let's do that. We'll be right 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: back alright. So, like I was saying, chuck. At first, Um, 105 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: the American sentiment towards newly arriving Chinese immigrants was at 106 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: least tolerant, and then um, it quickly turned to xenophobia. 107 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: And one of the problems with having a lot of people, um, 108 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: of the same ethnics of the all living in one places, 109 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: it's an easy target for outraged, um, xenophobic white mobs 110 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: to attack and burn down and beat people up in there. 111 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: And um, that's what happened a lot in the late 112 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: nineteenth and early twentieth century in chinatowns around the United States. 113 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: Anytime there was a problem and it was blamed on 114 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: Chinese people, there was probably a violent attack on chinatowns. 115 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: It just seemed to be par for the course. Yeah. 116 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: There was one in eighteen seventy one in Los Angeles 117 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: where a white mob lynched seventeen Chinese men and boys. Uh, 118 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: And the governor at the time, John Bigler said, you know, 119 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: we that we need more restrictions on these Chinese immigrants. 120 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: Coming in, so uh, it was you know, the local 121 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: government wasn't doing them any favors at all. I think 122 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty two is when the Chinese Exclusion Act 123 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: was passed. It was called the Chinese Exclusion Act for 124 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: God's sake, chuck. Yeah, and this was one of America's 125 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: very first um immigration like restrictive immigration laws. Yeah. And 126 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: it it basically said, if you are already here as 127 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: a Chinese immigrant, you're not going to be able to 128 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: become a naturalized citizen. You were not going to kick 129 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: you out, but don't count on becoming an American. And 130 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: if you're not here already, stay out. We're not letting 131 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: any more Chinese people into the country. That was the 132 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Chinese Exclusion Act of eighteen eighty two. And like I 133 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: was saying, it wasn't until World War Two that they 134 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: started to um relax those restrictions. So restrictions against Chinese 135 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: immigration were pretty tight for about sixty years at least. Yeah, 136 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of you know, anti Chinese 137 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: journalism going on. I think they started to try and 138 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: purposely spread the word and say that you know Chinatown, 139 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: you don't want to go to Chinatown if you're a 140 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: white person and do business with them. It's there's a 141 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: lot of crime there. It's dirty and disease there. I 142 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: think during the Bubonic Plague pan to make of the 143 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: earlier twentieth century, they actually um, I think the chinatown 144 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: in Honolulua was actually destroyed and the one in San 145 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Francisco was totally cordoned off. Yeah, and I mean as 146 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: as much of a target as chinatowns were, um, it 147 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: was even worse for people who lived outside of chinatowns. 148 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: Um Like they were even um I guess easier to 149 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: get at. There was no safety in numbers or anything 150 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: like that. So over time, UM, I think like the violence, 151 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: the anti Asian violence of the early twentieth century subsided 152 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: and there was um a kind of like enforced threatened 153 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: peace that kind of broke out, and chinatowns kind of 154 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: went to being like, uh, they went back to being 155 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: like this exotic place, but a place where you could, 156 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, as a white person or a non Asian 157 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: American could travel to and and go, you know, eat 158 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: and the restaurants or used the business as that kind 159 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: of thing. By mid to century, Yeah, there are roughly 160 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: fifty chinatowns in the United States today, most major cities 161 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: have a chinatown. Atlanta doesn't have a Chinatown. Chinatown, but 162 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: there we have an area in Atlanta called Buford Highway 163 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: and it's just this it's a street and this road 164 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: has uh is well known for just having a bunch 165 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: of um groups of ethnicities sorted together. So there'll be 166 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: an area where there's a lot of Chinese business. There's 167 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: a Chinese mall um So I just actually went over 168 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: the other day to the North China eatery and got 169 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: like a hundred dumplings to go to freeze because you 170 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: can go home. They actually sell them. They sell buns 171 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: and dumplings frozen, like not wholesale but just bulk, so 172 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: you know it's delicious stuff. And uh, but all kinds 173 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: of ethnicities. There's a there's you know, Filipino area, there's 174 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: Mexican area. Not Vietnamese food. Man, just do your favor. Yeah, 175 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: if you ever go to Atlanta, just sort of ask 176 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: where Buford Highway is and go eat and shot down. Yeah, 177 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: it's really like you're not going to go wrong. But 178 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: not a true true Chinatown like you would think of, 179 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately in Atlanta. But you know, Portland's d c Honolulu, Seattle, Chicago, Philly, Houston, 180 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: New York. Obviously Houston, Texas as a chinatown. UH. And 181 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: now because of UM gentrifications, a lot of these chinatowns 182 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: are threatened. Obviously in cities like San Francisco where everything 183 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: is becoming gentrified. UH, chinatowns are starting to shift to 184 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: the suburbs a little more. And the Monterey Park, California, 185 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: was dubbed the first suburban chinatown and became majority Asian 186 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: American in the nineteen nineties. Yeah, which is you know, 187 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: I mean in for those residents who are staying UM, 188 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: A lot of the second generation are like, I don't 189 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: really want to live in the middle of the city 190 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: any longer. I want to go have a bigger house 191 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. Like you said, they're moving to the suburbs. 192 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: But for the ones who are staying, like, the cost 193 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: of living in the city is sky hike compared to 194 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: the suburbs. I don't care what city you're in. UM. 195 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: So that's a big problem. Gentrification. UM is forcing out 196 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: the ones who do want to stay. And so there's 197 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: a push among UM, second and third and more generation 198 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Chinese Americans to say, hey, we need to make sure 199 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: that these places are are protected culturally, you know, not 200 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: we need to keep the white people out or anything 201 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: like that, but we need to make sure that they 202 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: just don't get overdeveloped or anything like that, that they 203 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: maintain their original character to a large degree. Right at 204 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: the very least, No tech Bros. No none. Which is 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: ironic that San Francisco's Chinatown is still the most vibrant 206 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: and flourishing chinatown in the United States. It's the o 207 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: G and it's still going strong. Yeah. I think DC's 208 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: Chinatown only has three hundred Chinese people living there now. Yeah, 209 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: well actually that was so unless that's risen it maybe 210 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: even less. Yeah, it's like a ten of what it 211 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: was in Yeah, so visit a chinatown everyone. I go 212 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: to Chinatown in New York City, and uh, bring cash. 213 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: A lot of these places dim sum places will only 214 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: take cash. That's my little travel tip for you. And 215 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: eat some dim sum and some soup dumplings. Very nice. 216 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: Are you got anything else? I got nothing else? Well, 217 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna go eat some dim sums. So short stuff 218 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: is apt. Stuff you should know is a production of 219 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit 220 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: the i heart Radio app Apple podcasts, or wherever you 221 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.