1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. We're dancing very weird on stage. Feel 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: free for you guys to also dance very weird. Well, 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: none of this is said out loud, but it's all 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: just kind of understood. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: I'm buzznight and today I'm taking a Walk. We're joined by. 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 3: Two brothers who turn life's little curiosities into arena filling anthems. 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: You may know Jack and Ryan Met from AJR, the 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: band that somehow makes symphonies of odd ball sounds, childhood memories, 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: and future facing beats all live in the same three 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: minute song. Loved having their other brother Adam Met previously 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 3: on this podcast, but we're looking forward to talk to 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: Jack and Ryan Met. Together they redefine what it means 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: to break the pop mold, whether it's sampling toy instruments, 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: layering unexpected textures, or just telling raw, honest stories. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: And ways nobody else quite can. 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: So hang out through these messages from our sponsors and 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: we'll be right back on Taking a Walk with Jack 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: and Ryan from a j R. 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: Well, we have a special happening on the Taking a 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: Jack and Ryan from AJAR. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 4: Welcome, Thanks so much for having us. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: I complete the U the met Trifecta, ad your your 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: bro on a few months back and had a good 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: time with him. 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I think you're familiar with him, aren't you. 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 4: I know him? 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, run into him once in a while. 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: But we're going to talk about the new EP and 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: the Hollywood Bowl and the rest of the tour. I'm 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: I'm want to ask you what no one's thinking. Hello 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: and uh. But first before we get started, we like 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: to ask this question, since we call the podcast taking 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: a Walk. If you could use your vivid imagination and 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: who would you take a walk with? Where would you 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: take that walk with him? 39 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: Oh? 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: The first thing that popped into my mind was Steve Jobs, 41 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: probably because I know he'd like to take a lot 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: of walks. 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. 44 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I think visionaries like that come once in a generation, 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: and he just his mind was so ahead of the curve. 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: He so had his finger on the pulse in terms 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: of what people enjoy, what people want to consume, the packaging, 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: how to present it to them, how to combine art 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: and commerce in the most elegant way. Ever, I do 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I think a walk with him would be nice? 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: Do you think he'd be happy at the state of 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: the world, particularly when it comes to screen addiction and 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: things of that nature. 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Probably not, Probably not. I think he was probably more 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: about sort of innovation and imagination than what Apple has 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: become more recently. 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: That's my guests. Ye're up, Oh me, sorry, Yeah, you're good. 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: Our favorite my favorite band is a band called Fountains 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: of Wayne, and sadly the one of the members, Adam Slessinger, 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: was lost during COVID. He passed away and I never 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: got the chance to meet him, and absolutely my favorite 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: band of all time. 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: Really shaped the way. 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: I, you know, enjoy music and write and shaped a 65 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of our sound and I would have loved to 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: meet him. 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: I would definitely take a walk just to let. 68 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Him know, you know, how appreciative I am and get 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: inside his musical mind. 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you've brought him up, because he was 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: one of many tragedies during the pandemic and you can't 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: let you know any of them slip by, know, unless 73 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: the ones that touch us in particular, you know. 74 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. 75 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy that feeling of like, because Brian 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Wilson was another one of those like for us. He 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: passed away a month ago. I literally felt like a 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: family member passed away. It's so crazy, just the connection 79 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: you can have with someone that doesn't know about your existence. 80 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: That just I'm so connected to your feeling all the 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: same things that I'm feeling. 82 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: It's kind of like you're my brother. 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 2: Your brother. 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: By the way, do you have a guess who? His 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: answer was on the taking a walk question? 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: Huh? 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: Paul Simon bing got wow? 88 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 2: What do you win? What's the prize? 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: Walk with Simon? 90 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: Not too bad? Yeah? 91 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: I mean and where you guys or are from, and 92 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: what you've experienced so much in New York City. There's 93 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: got to be thousands of places that you love to 94 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: walk in New York City. 95 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely. 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean what's so great is that you know, we've 97 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: lived here. 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: I've lived here thirty years. 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: Or so, and there's still just like thousands of places 100 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: we haven't been. And I'll be walking and be like, 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: this is a block I haven't been on before, and 102 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: it's so small, but it's just so like rich with 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, locations and place you haven't been. 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: So we really walk everywhere, honestly, So I got. 105 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: Before we get to the New EP I've got a 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: strange question to ask, what's the weirdest sound or everyday 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: object that you've ever sampled for an ajar song and 108 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: how did it end up on the final track. 109 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: Who wants to take that one first? 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, I know you have one 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: in mine. Yeah, I think. 112 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Well, just to give a little context, we do like 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: to sample a lot of kind of weird sounds. I 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: think when you produce for long enough, you get a 115 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: little bit bored of the same kind of snares and 116 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: the kind of online sound banks that are available to everybody, 117 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: and you start to realize, oh, here's how I make 118 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: sounds or drum sonic palettes that are actually unique to 119 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: me that nobody else has used. You start like looking 120 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: for real things in your life and recontextualizing them. So 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: definitely a weird one that we we did was we 122 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: sampled the uh I guess. We enlisted the guy the 123 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: voice of the New York City subway system, the guy 124 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: who goes stand clear of the closing doors please. 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: We asked him to record the here we go. 126 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: On bang and that really that was almost like a 127 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: fun collaboration more than a sample, because we we weren't 128 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: sure exactly what we wanted that sound to be. We 129 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: got our dad to record something that was like here 130 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: we go, and we got our neighbor to do like 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: here we go. Like we weren't quite sure what the 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: affect was, and as soon as he did it, it 133 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's like there's the alpha guy telling 134 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: me here we go, Like there's a there's a leader 135 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: in the room right now. So it really influenced the 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: direction of the song. But we've yeah, we've sampled like 137 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: school bell like recess bells. That's really fun to kind 138 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: of when you're bringing in a chorus like kind of 139 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: up top sonically above everything else, just kind of catches 140 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: your attention. I think there's something subconscious going on. When 141 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: people listen, they're like, oh, time for recess. I should 142 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: I should listen. Little things like that, whistles, elephants sound. Yeah, 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: we've sampled the elephants, horses galloping, Yeah, a lot of 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: animal stuff. 145 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 4: So I've done a lot. 146 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: Who influenced the the sampling of unique sounds in your 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: in your career? 148 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I think it's our love of movies. I think it 149 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: probably comes from that. It's very much when we write 150 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: it's okay who's our character here? Often it is like 151 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: somewhere between me and Jack when we're writing, but like 152 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: what's our way in? That's sort of how to make it, 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess, a more three dimensional song like Okay, this 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: is a love song, but it's from this like the 155 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: most secure part of us or the most desperate part 156 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: of us, Like who's this character? And then in terms 157 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: of the sound effects, it sort of puts you there, 158 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: so like we're not just sampling an elephant randomly, Like 159 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: if we want to create the feeling of chaos, unhinged 160 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: beat start of the album, that's a place where I 161 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: want to tuck in an elephant because I'm just suddenly 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: in a movie where the zoo doors break open then 163 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the animals are running rampant around the city. The horse 164 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: galloping is like, here's a song about the inspiration of Okay, 165 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: I can make my life better. So that's where I'm 166 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: hearing the boom the boom put the boom like the 167 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: galloping of a horse very much ties into like where 168 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I want to be in. 169 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: The movie. 170 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: All right, Ryan you first, and then Jack favorite movie 171 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: of all time and why it just lives in infamy. 172 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: Hmm. 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with you could take, So I'm gonna 174 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: go with Social Network. 175 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah. 176 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: I think it's just it's the most rewatchable movie. The 177 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: dialogue just feels like candy. The character is so unlike 178 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: like Mark Zuckerbergy's like so unlikable and likable at the 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 1: same time. The soundtrack's amazing. I just think it's a 180 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: perfect movie. Maybe I'll go. I mean, I've watched this 181 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: movie a million times. I've watched it recently again and 182 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: it kind of became my favorite. Maybe Hannah and her 183 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: Sisters the Woody Allen movie. I think growing up in 184 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: New York, it just encapsulates New York perfectly. 185 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: Characters are just so well thought out. 186 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I think my favorite movies are the ones that when 187 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: they finish, I can just watch it again from the beginning. 188 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: And that's probably the main one for me. 189 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: My wife and I just watched it the other night. 190 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: We had just gone through a whole Hey, what's our 191 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: top twenty or whatever, and then we were like, oh, wait, 192 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: we haven't watched Hannah and her Sisters in a while, 193 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: and I love it for all the reasons you just described. 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: It's love letter to you know, New York. And just 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: the richness of all the characters, so many classic scenes 196 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, definitely, So let's talk about what no 197 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: one's thinking. First of all, congratulations on it. But it 198 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to happen this year, Is that correct? 199 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? That is correct. 200 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: This year was really supposed to be us only working 201 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: on this Broadway show that we're working on. And I 202 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: think there was this moment of like weirdness about not 203 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: writing something about like like are we still able to 204 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: do it? Almost almost like an anxiety, And I think 205 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: I came to Ry and were like, let's just try something. 206 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: And it started. 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: Turning into this group of songs that at first weren't 208 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: so great that they were like the starts of something. 209 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: And then I think that even frustrated us further. I'm like, wait, no, 210 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: have we lost that right? 211 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 212 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: And then there was a moment where we're like, we 213 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: should really kind of get. 214 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: Into this a little bit. 215 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: And there was a moment where we realized, you know, 216 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: the last few years of our life and a little 217 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: trying for us, there's been like loss in our family 218 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: and career stuff and questions about relationships and all this stuff. 219 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: And sorry, our dog is kind of going wild in 220 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: front of us right now. 221 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: We encouraged dogs from paying a visit on taking a walk, so. 222 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: Do not worry. 223 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: In fact, you didn't hear a dog sound being sampled earlier. 224 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: It was elm or barking at another Amazon delivery or something. 225 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't hear it, but. 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your dog's name? First of all? 227 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 4: Blue? 228 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,479 Speaker 2: Blue? All right? We welcome Blue. 229 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: We have Blue and Shay here. 230 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: All right, welcome. I see what they're up to. 231 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: I know they're friendly. Yeah, sorry, no, just to finish 232 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: what I was saying. 233 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we realized that there was a lot 234 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: going on in our life and we weren't really tapping 235 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: into that. We were maybe suppressing a little bit of it. 236 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: And soon as we realize that, it all kind of 237 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: came out and we put all of that into the 238 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: music and we came up with five songs. 239 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 3: Was there, ever, still, as you had embarked on the process, 240 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: still doubt that it wouldn't come together? 241 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think so. 242 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: I think this new music, more than anything we've made before, 243 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: is like directly from our lives in a way. 244 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what's different about it. 245 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,359 Speaker 1: I think we're just like really now, just saying exactly 246 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: what we feel how we feel it almost like a 247 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: diary entry for whatever reason where we're at in our lives. 248 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: That's feeling like the most truthful thing I think in 249 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: the past. Obviously all of our songs come from truth, 250 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: but we're also balancing how do we make it catchy, 251 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: how do we have fun in the way that we 252 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: say this, and maybe like use metaphors or whatever, and 253 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: that's like a totally valid type of songwriting. Just something 254 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: about our headspace now is like, if we're not saying 255 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: exactly what we feel the way we feel it, it's disingenuous. 256 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: It's not like it's it doesn't feel purposeful. And so 257 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I think this EP was an extra challenge because we 258 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we're gonna write we have a song 259 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: called a dog song on this EP, and it's from 260 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: the point of view of our dog, and that very 261 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,239 Speaker 1: much could go in a terrible direction, in a gimmicky 262 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: kind of like here's things that dogs do I laid 263 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: down for a nap or whatever. It could like turn 264 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: into like a funny, gimmicky song. But we were like, no, no, 265 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: let's literally demonstrate it exactly what our dog is watching 266 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: us do and see from his naive, innocent perspective all 267 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that's happening in our lives. And so I 268 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: think stuff like that is feeling really difficult to write, 269 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: but very rewarding to listen. 270 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: Back to take us behind the song Betty as well. 271 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another perfect example where me and Jack were 272 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: sitting on that track for what two years. Jack came 273 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: up with that melody of the chorus of the d 274 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: and we were slowly chipping away at it over like 275 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: the course of two years. We were we were singing 276 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Bennie instead of Betty. We were going, Benny, I really 277 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: hope you like my style. And it was just nonsense, 278 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: but it was fun to say. And and at a 279 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: certain point we were like, Okay, let's stop just writing 280 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: a song that's just catching and just fun to say. 281 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 4: What are we feeling me. 282 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: And Jack like divulge to our to each other, like 283 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: some stuff we were talking about in therapy about like 284 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: just like a fear of commitment in general, like in 285 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: in our lives, like how uncertain we are about like 286 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: what does the rest of our life look like, whether 287 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: it be a relationship or career or whatever. And he realized, 288 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: oh wait, we're both talking about this in therapy every week, like, 289 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: of course we need to write a song about this. 290 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: And at that point we kind of made the turn 291 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: to Betty and I really hope you're on Here's like 292 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: a realistic look, and I think how a lot of 293 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: people our age feel, which is like when you know 294 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, is not so obvious, like there's a lot 295 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: of other factors and it's not a very sexy, romantic 296 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: way to think. But I think it's just a more 297 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: realistic way to think about committing and love. 298 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: Talk about some of your other favorites, which I would 299 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: imagine would be every song on the EP. 300 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: So let's walk through it. 301 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, what am I missing? I'm trying to think whatever. 302 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: The big Goodbye, Oh, the big a Bye, Yeah Mayby 303 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: we like that took what five years to make? Yeah, 304 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: just we had this sample in the beginning of the song. Oh, 305 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: this is another good one that we sampled. There's a 306 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: song called the Auctioneer. I think that's what the original 307 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: song is called, and it's this barbershop quartet and in 308 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: the beginning it's five hundred and twenty five. 309 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: Really give me that. 310 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: It's you know, an auctioneer doing his thing, and we 311 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: always thought that was just like so percussive and so 312 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: interesting and had never been done before, and we always 313 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: wanted to sample it, and Ryan just made a beat 314 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: for it and it turned into this like great driving 315 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: groove and we just had it forever. And it's tough 316 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: to start a song from that place because it's so weird. 317 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: It's like, where do you even go from there? What 318 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: kind of song is this going to be? So it 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: took us a really long time to do and eventually 320 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: we wrote a very like partyish song and then tried 321 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: another partyish song yea like a weird song, and then 322 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: eventually it landed on this sort of like emotional story 323 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: about someone saying goodbye to their hometown and having mixed 324 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: feelings about leaving. 325 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,479 Speaker 2: I love that absolutely. 326 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: I love the honesty and you know the tension of 327 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: it as well, you know, so beautifully put together. 328 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: Have you ever. 329 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: Had a moment with this project or any other project 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: where there was complete disagreement on a musical direction and then, 331 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: if so, how did you? 332 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: Hmm? 333 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I feel like at this point we kind of know 334 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: what to trust each other for the answers. Yes, but 335 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: I think that if Jack comes to me and says, 336 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: I promise this melody is catchier than this melody, I'm 337 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: just gonna trust him, like he just has the ear 338 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: for that. If I come to him and tell him 339 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: I promise this line is gonna make people cry and 340 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: this line isn't and we're fighting over it, He's gonna 341 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: trust me on that. So I think probably the emotion 342 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: is more of my forte and the catchiness, but also 343 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: the coolness of the song is more of his forte. 344 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm not like, I don't It's not how my brain 345 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: works of like is this cool? Are people going to 346 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: think this is cool? I just know like I like 347 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: it and it makes me feel something. And Jack's a 348 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: little more in tuned with like our kids are age 349 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: gonna think this is or too broadway ash and and weird. 350 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: That makes sense. 351 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 3: So I'm curious for a band that, as you know, 352 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: put its, you know, stake down with sheer independence in 353 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 3: everything that you've done and the way that you've done it. 354 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: Do you ever worry that you're going to lose that 355 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 3: independent streak? 356 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think we obviously like do a lot of 357 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: almost everything ourselves at this point, and it's been out 358 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: of necessity. Honestly, Like we grew up, we didn't really 359 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: know anybody in the industry. We didn't really have money 360 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: to go, you know, pay someone to make a music 361 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: video for us, So we just needed to learn all 362 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: of these skills. And looking back, I'm really grateful that 363 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: we did, like to be able to to be self 364 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: sustainable I guess is the word, and and make all 365 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: of the art yourself and kind of have the vision 366 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: to complete the whole thing as a package, the artwork 367 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: and the music videos and the even the social media, 368 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: which is like a form of art. 369 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: I guess, the music and the tour. 370 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: Like, I'm really grateful that we, out of necessity, needed 371 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: to develop all those skills, because I think fans sense it. 372 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: I think me as a consumer, I can kind of 373 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: tell when an artist got an outside treatment for a 374 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: music video and it's like them in the convertible car 375 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: or whatever, Like I can kind of feel that someone 376 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: else wrote this treatment for a music video for you, 377 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: and this didn't come from your POV. And so that's 378 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: all I want to see from artists is I won't 379 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: feel connected to you. I want to feel like we're 380 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: having an honest conversation, and so I think that's helped 381 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: us to have like a more honest conversation with the fans. 382 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: I mean, Jack, isn't it gratifying watching other artists take 383 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: the independent road? 384 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 385 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: I think it's leading to a kind of a good, 386 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: honest place in music. And I'm glad that we were 387 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, have been doing it such a long time, 388 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: and we could say we were one of the early 389 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: ones on it. 390 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: So how do you guys handle criticism differently compared to 391 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: maybe a couple of years back when you know the 392 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: world was weird obviously at that time, but how do 393 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: you think you're handling of things like that has sort 394 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: of evolved and grown. 395 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: I think it used to. 396 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: We definitely get our fair share of criticism on the 397 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: internet and the bad reviews and insults and everything like that. 398 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: And I think we've always been a band that's like 399 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: either you love us or you hate us, really, and 400 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: there's never there's not hasn't been anything in between. It 401 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: bothered us when we were first starting out, honestly, as 402 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: it bothers everyone, and we couldn't help but check all 403 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: the comments and see what people have to say, and 404 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: you almost get like a weird addiction to it, you know, 405 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: to checking it, and over the years it's just felt 406 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: more like noise to us. I think we've come to 407 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the realization that the things that people don't like about 408 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: us are the things that we love about us, the 409 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: things that we're really excited to do. In music, for instance, 410 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: you know the bang sample here we go. I could 411 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: imagine there's a lot of people that are going, they 412 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: sampled the subway guy, and me and Ryan go, yeah, 413 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: we sampled the subway guy. So at that point, it's like, 414 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: what's really It's kind of a waste of time to 415 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: listen when you have the security and confidence in what 416 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: you're doing. 417 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: But I also think the way you have built and 418 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: the way you treat your fan base gives you, you know, 419 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: extra leverage and fact of what you can do and 420 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: how you're going to approach things because you guys really 421 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: respect your fans and and and and treat them like gold. 422 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: So I think that goes a long way in this process, 423 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: don't you. 424 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: I think so? Yeah. 425 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: I feel like when we tour, when we come out 426 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: on stage, there's just like an understanding, like we're all 427 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: friends here, Like we design our show in a way 428 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: like within the first four minutes, Jack's like may making 429 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: fun of me on stage, like he's like roasting me 430 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: and brother band in a brother you way, and like, yeah, 431 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: that's basically just our personalities anyway. But it's also a 432 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: little bit by design of just like hey, we're we're 433 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: in a safe space here, Like I'm not taking anything seriously, 434 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: He's not taking it. We might roast you guys at 435 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: some point during the show, Like it's kind of this 436 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: subconscious thing that we like to establish of like we're 437 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: all friends here, we're dancing very weird on stage, feel 438 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: free for you guys to also dance very weird. None 439 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: of this is said out loud, but it's all just 440 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: kind of understood. And so I think that probably really helps. 441 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: If you feel like you're in a safe space surrounded 442 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: by people that you're already friends with, you could just 443 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: kind of like take big swings. 444 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: So there's another milestone that's coming up. You've just you know, 445 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: finished a milestone in terms of the Madison Square Garden appearance, 446 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: which of course I know you don't take that lightly 447 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: at all, And then you've got this other one that 448 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: just sort of crept up this little venue called the 449 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: Hollywood Bowl on October the fourth. Tell me how this 450 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: feels and the immenseness of it to you. 451 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's only a handful of venues I 452 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: think in the world that are like truly iconic, that 453 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: that are like household names, you know, if you will, 454 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: like Madison Square, Garden, Red Rocks, and I'd say Hollywood 455 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: Bowl is absolutely up there. And I think it's one 456 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: of the last ones that we haven't We actually haven't 457 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: seen any shows there before, funny enough, so we haven't 458 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: have not been, but obviously we've heard that it's a 459 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: magical place. So we're just nothing but excited to kind 460 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: of at this point. You know, it's really cool. We've 461 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: been doing this twenty years now of being a band 462 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: and to still have milestones that we can check off, 463 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: especially something so huge, is really exciting. 464 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: So cool. Now is Adam going to be part of that? 465 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 4: We can disclose that he might in. 466 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: Okay, that's disclosing something, right, Yeah, that's exciting. 467 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: That's so great. 468 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, in closing, I want to ask you which Ajar 469 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: lyric best describes your current mindset. 470 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: Hm, hm, I go. 471 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: We have a song called Karma that really holds like 472 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: a special place in my heart. It's it's always a 473 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: something that I related to. It's the chorus is I've 474 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: been so good. I've been helpful and friendly. 475 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: I've been so good. 476 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Why am I feeling empty? I've been so good this year. 477 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: I've been so good, but it's still getting harder. I've 478 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: been so good? Where the hell is the karma? I've 479 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: been so good this year? And I always feel like 480 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: that life is so up and down and and and 481 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: you kind of can't get out of your mind in 482 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: terms of like, if I am such a good person, 483 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: why are things still going poorly for me? 484 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: Where is that karma? 485 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: And it's a sort of a part of maybe growing 486 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: up trying to get away from that, but it's difficult, 487 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: So I always have that on my mind. We have 488 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: a line in our song Turning Out Part three that's 489 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: don't overthink it. One day at a time, kid, add 490 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: up the days? No, no, one day? What's the very 491 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: end of it? You got someone who will and then 492 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: love isn't big, kid, it's literally quiet, Let's do today. 493 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: Let's do today. I think you'll turn out to like it. 494 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: I forgot my own alrit That's very much like where 495 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm at. It's like one day at a time, be here, present, 496 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: right now. 497 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm so grateful that you guys took the 498 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: time to be on Taking a Walk. Congrats on what 499 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: no One's thinking and the rest of the tour including 500 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: the Hollywood Bowl. My god, I'm so excited for you guys, 501 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: Jack and Ryan. 502 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 503 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: Man, awesome. Thanks for having us. This is great. 504 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 505 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. Share this another episode with your friends and 506 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking a 507 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: Walk is available on the iHeartRadio 508 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 3: App, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you get your podcasts.