Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Baseball Podcast. It is me, Joey Pa, Joe Pi Zapia,
Speaker 1: and you are in for a treat today. Back by
Speaker 1: popular demand, here we go. It's the twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: version of the Great Pitching Debate. And who better to
Speaker 1: talk about this than our boys, Nick Pollock and Alex
Speaker 1: Fast from Pitcher List, two of the best in the business.
Speaker 1: These guys eat, sleep, and breathe pitching and they have
Speaker 1: great contempt for one another, which is why they're friends
Speaker 1: and why they are back here on the program. And gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I went back and listened to last year's so much
Speaker 1: good advice. This was so close too. At the end,
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock did pull it out, and you know what
Speaker 1: the tie breaking question was, whether or not you were
Speaker 1: gonna draft Jacob de Grom and Alex Fast was without hesitation. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm good, Yes we're doing it. We're going. I wonder
Speaker 1: what that answer is this year. But Nick Pollock was hesitant.
Speaker 1: Therefore I agreed with him, and I gave him the
Speaker 1: final point, Nick, what does it feel to be uh,
Speaker 1: what does it feel like to be King of the Mountain?
Speaker 1: And do you think you can go back to back
Speaker 1: here in twenty three It.
Speaker 2: Feels like a Tuesday, Joe, That's what.
Speaker 3: It feels like. I'm going to go back to back
Speaker 3: because I've seen Alex FAST's top one hundred, and it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, he's come so far in this industry since
Speaker 3: I got that starry eyed email in twenty sixteen, but
Speaker 3: there are still some things he has to learn.
Speaker 1: Alex Fast, you have last we spoke, you are very
Speaker 1: close to having a child. You've now had said child.
Speaker 1: I know that sometimes changes a man. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's changed you enough that you're ready here to dethrone
Speaker 1: the reigning champion here? Nick Pollock, do you think that
Speaker 1: experience has kind of changed you as a human, as
Speaker 1: an as an analyst as well.
Speaker 4: It's given me perspective, It's given me, you know, wisdom,
Speaker 4: It's made me a lot wiser, of course. And I
Speaker 4: have no qualms or concerns about wedding this because I've
Speaker 4: already won.
Speaker 5: Right, I have the receipts that prove it. We can
Speaker 5: go to our d MS and.
Speaker 4: Say, well, Joe, the list I originally gave you, says Nick,
Speaker 4: It's not right. I took a look at Alex's and
Speaker 4: I adjusted it, and that's so funny.
Speaker 5: All of the rankings are closer to mine.
Speaker 4: Now we'll see a lot of that over the course
Speaker 4: of this podcast, including with one of the first guys
Speaker 4: that we're going to be talking about. So regardless of
Speaker 4: what happens today, when my head hits the pillow tonight,
Speaker 4: oh no, I already won.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. If you guys aren't excited, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: It's like the election results are rigged before we start.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Happy this year, Nick, actually that Alex put the time
Speaker 1: into make rankings this year because last year, arg.
Speaker 5: See making a child. Last year I couldn't.
Speaker 1: No, that's not true. You aren't making a child. You
Speaker 1: are waiting on a child. If you're making a child,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have given you a little bit more
Speaker 1: slack or even the big thumbs up potentially, But you're
Speaker 1: just waiting for one. I mean that could take you hours, months, weeks,
Speaker 1: you know. So look, now, let's just get to the
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of what's going on here, because we
Speaker 1: are going to go through a list of pictures that
Speaker 1: Alex likes more than Nick, and a list of pitchers
Speaker 1: that Nick likes more than Alex, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: decide who is right and who is wrong. And if
Speaker 1: you watched last year's show, it was a it was
Speaker 1: quite the debate. So, gentlemen, I hope you're you've started
Speaker 1: your engines and you're ready to go. We're going to
Speaker 1: start today with our challenger. These are pictures that Alex
Speaker 1: likes more than Nick. So Alex, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a chance here to get on the board, get on
Speaker 1: the board fast, and kind of come out swinging here
Speaker 1: on the big boss man Nick Pollocks. So let's start
Speaker 1: with Kyle bradish He is an ADP of one ten
Speaker 1: here as a starting pitcher off the board. So he's
Speaker 1: the one hundred and tenth starting pitcher going off the
Speaker 1: board here on fantasypros dot Com. The consensus ADP Bradish
Speaker 1: strong finished last year for the Baltimore Orioles one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventeen innings, just a four and seven record, but
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven k's in those one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventeen innings. The era and whip were high, but there
Speaker 1: were definitely some starts that raised some eyebrows. He is
Speaker 1: a fantasy darling this year in many analyst eyes. And
Speaker 1: Nick Fast, I mean, Alex, Oh my god, I made
Speaker 1: you one person, Alex Fast. That's the most terrifying idea
Speaker 1: in the whole world.
Speaker 2: Is having a baby Alex a bigger honor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all I know is I don't know who would
Speaker 1: have custody of that demon seed, Alex Fast. Kyle Bradish
Speaker 1: is the guy that you want to talk about first,
Speaker 1: So make the case for Big Kyle b in Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: Like I said earlier, the argument's already over before we
Speaker 4: even sent over our list. Kyle Bradish wasn't even in
Speaker 4: Knick's top one hundred. Oh my god, I put him
Speaker 4: at eighty one, and guess what happens. He's mysteriously at
Speaker 4: eighty six in Knick's Top one hundred a week later.
Speaker 4: Because Nick has already seen the light, he understands that
Speaker 4: there is some increased not as much as we originally thought,
Speaker 4: but some increased velocity on Kyle Bradish's foresteamer. We're gonna
Speaker 4: talk about in a second, because obviously Nick's gonna come
Speaker 4: and he.
Speaker 5: Say, LaVar Semer's garbage. It's got cut action on it.
Speaker 5: It's never gonna do it. Did you see him at
Speaker 5: spring training yesterday?
Speaker 1: He gave up nine earned.
Speaker 4: Runs, which is my nick impression. I'm doing my best
Speaker 4: to work on it. You have to bear with me
Speaker 4: for a second. I hope you're not creating me on that.
Speaker 1: The slider hairlier.
Speaker 4: The slider is a fantastic pitch for him by PLV
Speaker 4: Pitchreless's own fantastic metric, which you should be checking out.
Speaker 4: It is the seventy fourth percentile in PLV, seventeen percent
Speaker 4: swinging strike right in all of baseball, and a two
Speaker 4: forty three x WOBO, which is also seventy fifth percentile.
Speaker 4: That slider he can throw in and out of the zone.
Speaker 4: He can get whiffs when it's out of the zone,
Speaker 4: he can get called strikes when it's in the zone,
Speaker 4: and he frequently has very good command of the pitch.
Speaker 4: People will point to that four seemer and say, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very.
Speaker 5: Hittable, and it is.
Speaker 4: However, he's debuted a new sinker this year. That sinker
Speaker 4: is getting more horizontal movement breaking away from the slider
Speaker 4: and gives him a new fastball offering that could theoretically
Speaker 4: help him.
Speaker 5: Get over the hump.
Speaker 4: Am I talking about Kyle Bradish as a top fifty pitcher.
Speaker 5: I am not. I'm talking about a guy that you
Speaker 5: just said is going.
Speaker 4: Three sixty three over in drafts, one hundred and tenth
Speaker 4: pitcher off the board right now.
Speaker 5: He's going late enough in drafts.
Speaker 4: He's got enough shine and upside that he can positively
Speaker 4: benefit your team. And like I said, Nick and I
Speaker 4: are right there with him in terms of ranking. But
Speaker 4: I would like to hear why I'm so.
Speaker 5: Wrong on a guy that Nick is just as close
Speaker 5: as me on.
Speaker 1: All Right, Nick Pollock, the argument's been made for Kyle Bradish.
Speaker 1: He did kind of, you know, throw that barb out
Speaker 1: there that you have made adjustments on him and moved
Speaker 1: him up your board a little bit. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to dig yourself out of that hole.
Speaker 2: That's pretty easy.
Speaker 3: When you hear someone arguing against you, instead of actually
Speaker 3: talking about the thing at hand, they want to talk
Speaker 3: about the other person.
Speaker 2: You know they don't have a strong argument.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to Kyle Bradish, I have a
Speaker 3: rule which is, if you're into a pitcher, you have
Speaker 3: to have at least two pitches that you really can
Speaker 3: stand on and say like these are the two good offerings,
Speaker 3: especially when they have a bad for Steamer, as Fast
Speaker 3: eloquently already pointed out, the for Seemer has cut action
Speaker 3: that he's going to make it continue to be a
Speaker 3: hit holl pitch.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that.
Speaker 3: Sinker have success yet new pitch, and we he even
Speaker 3: sends me this whole Bert Simpson image saying I will
Speaker 3: not be swayed by a pitcher's new pitch in spring training.
Speaker 2: We know this.
Speaker 3: So if you look at Cali Bradish, he has a
Speaker 3: slider that, yes, does grade well in POLY, but it's
Speaker 3: not elite. You want to say seventy seventh percentile. That
Speaker 3: means that there's twenty five percentile more better sliders out there.
Speaker 3: A quality pitch miyas bad pitch percentage as just sixtieighth percent.
Speaker 3: That's good, but that's not the thing I want to
Speaker 3: hang my hat on when it comes to a pitcher.
Speaker 3: You also have the curve ball, which is under a
Speaker 3: fiftieth percentile by Peel. It is not that strong number
Speaker 3: two pitch that you want it to be, and it's
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for it to happen with Kyle Bradish now
Speaker 3: I had him inside my top one hundred. I was saying,
Speaker 3: maybe there are new things here and spring training that
Speaker 3: I am overlooking a bit. I'm going to be lowering
Speaker 3: him on Friday. As in your twelve teamers, I do
Speaker 3: not want to be chasing calib Brash out of the gate.
Speaker 3: There are many other options to go for for a
Speaker 3: higher upside, and you are putting yourself in harm's way.
Speaker 3: If you have Kyle Brash, why not go after Hayden
Speaker 3: Westnski or so who's going around.
Speaker 2: I'm the same place inside of your drafts.
Speaker 3: There is no reason to chase Bradish, who does not
Speaker 3: as fast ays have that top fifty eight ceiling. That
Speaker 3: is not the player you want to get in your
Speaker 3: twelve teamers.
Speaker 1: I understand the point you're making here in terms of
Speaker 1: chasing him, but I'm actually looking at the ADP that's
Speaker 1: actually moved over the weekend too. Now cal Bradish is
Speaker 1: at pitcher one P fifty one on the consensus, so
Speaker 1: he's moved even more recently and been dropped down further.
Speaker 1: That's just straight up free and I understand last year
Speaker 1: he did have some moments where certainly struggled quite a bit,
Speaker 1: but there were a couple of games, two against Houston
Speaker 1: where he was spectacular. He did have a very good
Speaker 1: game against Cleveland down the stretch as well. He showed
Speaker 1: you some flashes, and I think whenever a kid shows
Speaker 1: you some flashes, you take notice of that. I remember
Speaker 1: a couple of years back when Sandy al Contra would
Speaker 1: show you some flashes of some stuff and you're like,
Speaker 1: maybe this guy can put it all together eventually, but
Speaker 1: he was far from a finished product. I am not
Speaker 1: comparing those two guys necessarily, but I think whenever you
Speaker 1: have a guy that shows you dominant flashes and he's free,
Speaker 1: I think you take a shot on him. So Nick Pollock,
Speaker 1: you're probably right in the sense that this is a
Speaker 1: picture that probably is going to give you some disappointment.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's free and the fact that
Speaker 1: he guessed a lot of free there are, but there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of free guys who had a couple
Speaker 1: dominant performances last year. That's the difference. Alec fast, you
Speaker 1: get on the board here real quick with number one.
Speaker 1: So well done. Let's go to the second picture here
Speaker 1: on your list, Sean Manaia And this is another picture too,
Speaker 1: coming off a bad year. Let's be honest, Let's call
Speaker 1: it what it was. Last year, in one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: eight innings, he was an eight and nine record, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six strikeouts, just fifty walks there, three
Speaker 1: to one k walker ratio. That's fine, except that the
Speaker 1: whip was one point three, the era was four nine
Speaker 1: to six, and Sean Manyah was on his way out
Speaker 1: of San Diego, but he's staying in California, in San
Speaker 1: Francisco and San Francisco, Alex. That's been one of those
Speaker 1: spots where lately it seems like they know something we
Speaker 1: don't know, and they've been able to turn around a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, whether it be Alex Cobb or
Speaker 1: Kevin Gossman, they've really done a good job there identifying
Speaker 1: pictures that they want and then getting them into that
Speaker 1: organization and kind of fixing them. Is Sean and I
Speaker 1: the next guy for San fran to fix.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of think that when there's a lot
Speaker 4: of good data, the points of the fact that.
Speaker 5: He may well be. Now I'm not going to continue.
Speaker 4: To harp on this point, but this is another magical
Speaker 4: guy who was unranked by Nick and is now just
Speaker 4: five spots away from where I magically had him in.
Speaker 3: The right You did, mind like six weeks after when
Speaker 3: you learn about the velocity, I that's so funny.
Speaker 4: Mine came out then all we know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: here's John and I hear he is uh so Manaiah.
Speaker 4: As we kind of mentioned one of I think the
Speaker 4: biggest things that has me really interested in him is
Speaker 4: the uptick in velocity. I mean, Nick has even said
Speaker 4: himself that that's a big thing for him.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: We've seen what happens when he has the velocity that
Speaker 4: he is showcasing. The problem has been whether he can
Speaker 4: be consistent with it, and so far in spring training
Speaker 4: he has been able to be consistent with it. Issues
Speaker 4: and injuries are always going to be injuries are always
Speaker 4: going to be an issue for him. But even if
Speaker 4: you cap him at one hundred and fifty innings and
Speaker 4: we see an uptick in the velocity for him, that
Speaker 4: could theoretically be a big step forward. There were some
Speaker 4: things that obviously, like keep hitting the nail on the head.
Speaker 4: Last year it was not great. There are some pitches though,
Speaker 4: by stuff plus that indicate that it's better than what
Speaker 4: we saw last year right, his sinker, for example, the
Speaker 4: change up gets a really good amount of whiffs. He
Speaker 4: didn't really use it to be as much of a
Speaker 4: hard contact pitch as it turned into last year.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: There's a big difference between the three ninety one era
Speaker 4: and three sixty six fifth that he put up in
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy innings in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 4: the four ninety six era. Right, we saw the sinker
Speaker 4: move arm side a bit more, and I wonder maybe
Speaker 4: if that impacted the change up at all.
Speaker 5: The sinker did maintain its whiffs, which was good to see.
Speaker 4: It was the change up, though, and the breaking pitch
Speaker 4: that really caused him the problems. The change up couldn't
Speaker 4: get whiffs out of the zone. The bab have jumped up,
Speaker 4: you know, implying that even natural regression should make him
Speaker 4: perform better. The breaker also lost its ability to get
Speaker 4: whiffs out of the zone. It went from being able
Speaker 4: to get ground balls at a relatively good clip to being
Speaker 4: a kind of fly ball machine with a lot of
Speaker 4: those fly balls leaving the yard.
Speaker 5: Right, So, what I'm kind of saying is we see
Speaker 5: a change.
Speaker 4: Up in breaking pitches that have historically performed better than
Speaker 4: they performed last year. It is not out of the
Speaker 4: question to see them get back to where they were.
Speaker 4: Right you add in an additional tick of v LO
Speaker 4: with that, plus that he's in a better park, plus
Speaker 4: that he is with an organization that could theoretically benefit
Speaker 4: him even more, then yeah, again we're talking about a
Speaker 4: guy who is going relatively late that could provide you
Speaker 4: with good amount of upside.
Speaker 1: The vlow is back in that low to mid nineties
Speaker 1: range here, Nick Pollock, But you're still not buying it.
Speaker 3: Why, well, Okay, a couple things here. One, I'm actually
Speaker 3: pretty close with a fast on Shawman. I have him
Speaker 3: at seventy six. Fast time is at seventy one. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's gonna be too much that
Speaker 3: we are going to disagree, and I will say not
Speaker 3: a better organization Necessarily, he's leaving San Diego, who should
Speaker 3: be a high win volume team, going to the Giants,
Speaker 3: and we just saw the Giants have a terrible defense
Speaker 3: behind it. Look what happened to Cobb and what we're saying, it's, oh,
Speaker 3: it's all the all fit and everything. No, the defense
Speaker 3: let them down. That's why we had this massive change
Speaker 3: in their expected arrays and their actual array, and there's
Speaker 3: no guarantee that this is going to be fixed now
Speaker 3: for Sham and I, So there is risk inherently in that.
Speaker 3: Also when it comes to my twelve teamers. And this
Speaker 3: is very very important and why I'm out on cal
Speaker 3: Bradish and debating if I want to be in on
Speaker 3: Sean Ma Andya is early in the season is most
Speaker 3: important when it comes to these final pitcher spots. You
Speaker 3: are not getting this guy and just holding on to
Speaker 3: him from the entire year. It is not a best
Speaker 3: ball league that you are in. So if you're getting
Speaker 3: a guy at the end of your drafts like a
Speaker 3: shaw Ma and I like a Cali Bradish, it likely
Speaker 3: means that you're starting in the first week.
Speaker 2: If you're not, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: You should be going after someone else who you would
Speaker 3: actually want to get value out of and then also
Speaker 3: have that ceiling. I don't know if I want to
Speaker 3: start Sean and Iya out of the gate. It's a
Speaker 3: tough matchup for him against the Yankees, not necessarily fun one.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to see the slider
Speaker 3: in the change up return all of a sudden to
Speaker 3: what they were from last year. It is a volatile situation. Also,
Speaker 3: Sean and I over the years has never been consistent.
Speaker 3: He has always been someone that has this lower arm
Speaker 3: angle and that leads to worse command sustainably over a
Speaker 3: full season. So right out of the gate, if I'm
Speaker 3: drafting Sean and I, I'm already throwing myself in a
Speaker 3: ton of risk and I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 3: kind of wait and see and figure this out. I
Speaker 3: do like taking the chance on the higher blostoing seeing
Speaker 3: that six it does sound nice, But those that are
Speaker 3: drafting him and thinking, oh cool, I've got this really
Speaker 3: good guy down on the Giants, I'd be very cautious
Speaker 3: of that. So being as aggressive around seventy I think
Speaker 3: is actually a little too aggressive, and upon him back
Speaker 3: coast where I have him is understanding the risk involved here.
Speaker 1: The problem is you probably could have stopped right when
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, I've got him in the seventies, because
Speaker 1: the consensus has him as SP one thirteen and you
Speaker 1: both have him in the seventies. So to me, although
Speaker 1: you made a lot of good arguments about Sean and
Speaker 1: I's downside, at the end of the day you put
Speaker 1: him in the seventies, right where Fast put him. So
Speaker 1: you kinda there's a light like you set up the
Speaker 1: trap and you decided not even like to put your
Speaker 1: foot in. You just put your head in it, and
Speaker 1: it throws right in there, and it's gonna go to
Speaker 1: Alex Fast again with Sean ma and I and I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was gonna come there. I thought you
Speaker 1: were gonna make a really bold but once you said
Speaker 1: he's not, he's right there in the seventies for me too,
Speaker 1: I mean, after that, it was all just you sounded
Speaker 1: like one of those Charlie Brown parents to me, which
Speaker 1: is my wall. That's all I heard. And that was it.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to move on to the next
Speaker 1: player here. It's it's not you mean, yeah, you led
Speaker 1: with the wrong piece, were you? Right away? You cut
Speaker 1: the legs out from under your own argum? Then right
Speaker 1: at the beginning, all right, let's go to Ken Waldachuck,
Speaker 1: who may or may not have played for the Quebec
Speaker 1: Nord Deeks at one point. I love this name. Waldachuck
Speaker 1: is definitely a hockey player name. Oakland Athletics SP number
Speaker 1: one thirty seven currently right now, as we're looking at
Speaker 1: the board, let's talk about Alex Fast. Let's go. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you make a clean sweep here, but
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. For Waldashock last year thirty four innings,
Speaker 1: two and two record, thirty three k's ten walks, a
Speaker 1: four nine three era in a one point two to
Speaker 1: one whip. So what do you seeing Waldershock this year
Speaker 1: that had you excited?
Speaker 5: We can or can't curse on this podcast?
Speaker 1: You can't, but you can. You can give it a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion and try and you use you know,
Speaker 1: just be clever if you like.
Speaker 4: I'll just say that Ken Waldechuck's is what I'll say,
Speaker 4: and people can use their imagination.
Speaker 5: I mean, ah, very good, very good. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is what you're saying. He's a real chuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's all right. There you go.
Speaker 4: There's some really intriguing underlying numbers for Walderchuck that has
Speaker 4: me a bit more interested than maybe I even thought
Speaker 4: I should be. The change up and the four seamer
Speaker 4: have really really good stuff numbers.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of great mentalities that you can
Speaker 4: take when you're approaching your draft, right, and one of
Speaker 4: the ones that Nick takes with PLV and ENO takes
Speaker 4: with stuff plus. Is when we have a small sample,
Speaker 4: we need to find something that regulates really quickly. Right,
Speaker 4: with a small amount of data, Ken Walderchuck with a
Speaker 4: small amount of data that he has theoretically has three
Speaker 4: plus pitches that could be really beneficial for him.
Speaker 5: The change in the four seamer have great stuff numbers.
Speaker 4: The change up doesn't have the best location, but I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily know if he needs it. Right, we saw
Speaker 4: some positives last year. We saw a one twenty one whip.
Speaker 4: We saw a twenty three percent k rate but on
Speaker 4: a twelve percent swinging strike rate. Now that theoretically means
Speaker 4: that that k rate could actually go up to the
Speaker 4: twenty five twenty six percent range, which you would love
Speaker 4: to see from him. Now, I'm not gonna lie, right,
Speaker 4: the fur seamer isn't the best in the world last
Speaker 4: year in terms of batted ball performance. Right, it gave
Speaker 4: up a four to twenty five wOBA and x wOBA. However,
Speaker 4: very small sample size, and when we see the stuff
Speaker 4: numbers that we have from ken Walda Chuck, that definitely
Speaker 4: points to a positive regression for him, especially when it's
Speaker 4: getting a twelve percent withfweight. Right, he had a The
Speaker 4: changeup has a very interesting approach. Twenty percent of his
Speaker 4: change ups were elevated. He's kind of doing what Lucas
Speaker 4: Giolito does a little bit. I don't know if he's
Speaker 4: trying to get it to play off. The four seemer
Speaker 4: hitters were not really able to do much with it
Speaker 4: though when he left it up there with a two
Speaker 4: seventy two whoba and a two forty x whoba. Right,
Speaker 4: the slider is a pitch that I actually think falls
Speaker 4: through the stuff plus and the PLV cracks.
Speaker 5: Right, And you know what the.
Speaker 4: Source I have is for that a member of the
Speaker 4: Oakland Athletics Organization who says, yeah, that pitch is dirtier,
Speaker 4: and our internal stuff metrics say that it is better
Speaker 4: than what any of the public stuff metrics have. Right,
Speaker 4: it is a PLUS pitch for him. It passes the
Speaker 4: eye test. It looks absolutely gorgeous, right, not all about
Speaker 4: the eye test, but I will say there's something about
Speaker 4: that that really, you know, jumps out to me. He's
Speaker 4: another pitcher that is free. Obviously there have been some
Speaker 4: command to shoose in spring. They don't necessarily scare me. Off,
Speaker 4: he has not guaranteed the number five spot right now.
Speaker 5: Neither are a lot of guys.
Speaker 4: Who've got some significant upside Brandon fought. But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, Ken Waldechuk has three plus pitches
Speaker 4: that I think he's going to be able to succeed with.
Speaker 4: He's in a plus plus park, and I think, considering
Speaker 4: the price that he's going right now, he is a
Speaker 4: really fun risk to take in drafts.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick Pollock, let's talk about the risk of Waldechuck. Now,
Speaker 1: Alex fast has made his argument. It's time for you
Speaker 1: to counter and don't let him go three now on
Speaker 1: you to open this show. That's not good.
Speaker 3: I mean, he might be in a plus plus park,
Speaker 3: but he plays for a negative negative time team.
Speaker 2: The ceiling.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the point here. You're not gonna get
Speaker 3: wins with Ken Walldachuck. This is a guy that you
Speaker 3: even mentioned. This command has been bad through the miners.
Speaker 3: It has walk rates have been eleven percent multiple times.
Speaker 3: We are seeing a lot of walks already this spring
Speaker 3: is a two plus whip in the spring, which I
Speaker 3: know is a small sample, but it's.
Speaker 2: Not like this guy is just overwhelming.
Speaker 3: And then you put him in your lineup, then you
Speaker 3: feel like you get success out of the right out
Speaker 3: of the gate, like this is, you.
Speaker 2: Might not even get the fifth spot.
Speaker 3: You said, why am I drafting even my twelve teamer?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't need to say anything else after that.
Speaker 1: Waldershuck is being drafted as a two hundred and eighteenth
Speaker 1: pitcher off the board here on the consensus. I misspoke
Speaker 1: earlier with the number that I gave you, and I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I mean, Alex Fast. You say the
Speaker 1: four seamer is no good, you say he might not
Speaker 1: have a spot. Is the fifth guy in the rotation?
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock? This was an easy one. This was like
Speaker 1: easy up for you. I think he just dwned on
Speaker 1: Alex Fast. I think you just went full on Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan dunk over Patrick Ewing on Alex Fast.
Speaker 5: This one.
Speaker 1: Can I have the guy who doesn't have a good
Speaker 1: four seemer, who's getting a hit all over the ballpark
Speaker 1: right now, who might pitch for the A's No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That one goes to Nick Pollocks. So the
Speaker 1: score is two to one, and we're getting out of
Speaker 1: the realm of the guys that Alex likes more than Nick.
Speaker 1: We're gonna flip the script here, and just as a reminder,
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Speaker 1: use it as well. And basically you'll have that technology
Speaker 1: that you see us using in these mock draft shows
Speaker 1: that we do all the time, where it tells you
Speaker 1: the insights of you know, don't take a picture here
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Speaker 1: take the pit of the hitter, and then by the
Speaker 1: time it comes back to you, you'll be okay. It's
Speaker 1: got all the insights of when you should take a player,
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Speaker 1: to the Knicks guys. Here, We're gonna start off with
Speaker 1: somebody read Debtmers, who was another I would say, a
Speaker 1: fantasy darling. So we started off here with two of
Speaker 1: the darlings of the community read Deebtmers, the theoretical fifth
Speaker 1: starter for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheimerfod started. Depending
Speaker 1: on how you look at that rotation. Innings pitched last year,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty nine seven and six win loss,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two strikeouts, forty six walks, a
Speaker 1: three seven seven ERA, and a one point two to
Speaker 1: one whip. So a lot of people in the community
Speaker 1: are excited about Debt Mars. Now you are in this
Speaker 1: excitement level, So get me excited. Nick Pollock about get easy.
Speaker 3: Last year, he turned twenty three mid season, and when
Speaker 3: he was twenty two, it wasn't very good. His slider
Speaker 3: wasn't there, his fastball kerbble was all that he had.
Speaker 3: He threw a no hater, but it was very lucky
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Then he went to the minors and
Speaker 3: he just as mechanics fixed his slider and also he
Speaker 3: looked like an ace in the second half, absolutely dominated
Speaker 3: and he was just twenty three years old. Now here
Speaker 3: we are in his sophomore year. He's already gone through
Speaker 3: his adversity and come back and done incredibly well. And
Speaker 3: he now he's throwing two chicks harder. We're seeing sitting
Speaker 3: ninety five is ninety three. Last year sitting ninety five
Speaker 3: and fast. Will tell you the biggest difference in ability
Speaker 3: of a fastba velocity is from ninety four to ninety five.
Speaker 3: The second year at ninety five, it changes the game.
Speaker 3: That is what Redemers is doing right now. I've been
Speaker 3: watching him this spring. His slider is still there getting
Speaker 3: whiffs as well. The kurveballs a solid pitch as well.
Speaker 3: This is the time to go get Redemverers. You're looking
Speaker 3: for your breakout around the thirties and forties or so
Speaker 3: of sps. I mean, he may even be able to
Speaker 3: wait into the fifties. So so you look in a
Speaker 3: lot of guys who we don't really like. They have
Speaker 3: some clear wartz. You don't have as clear a path
Speaker 3: to actually being a top twenty five starter in the majors.
Speaker 3: He is still twenty three. He is so much more
Speaker 3: development left to do. Redebtmers is your guy who can
Speaker 3: clearly have a twenty five percent plus record, right, great
Speaker 3: ratios for you. The Angels offense is also pretty good
Speaker 3: now and you can get you wins. It's not destined
Speaker 3: for like a seven win season that he had last year.
Speaker 3: Redebtmers should be a target in all of your fantasy drafts.
Speaker 1: All right, Alex, Fast, time to count on Redebtmers. What
Speaker 1: do you have?
Speaker 5: Joe, would you listen to a liar?
Speaker 1: I would listen to this, believe them?
Speaker 5: Would you trust him? Would you trust him?
Speaker 3: Joe?
Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't trust them.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't.
Speaker 4: So when Nick is telling you that I told him
Speaker 4: that the biggest difference in Velo is ninety four to
Speaker 4: ninety five.
Speaker 5: Three When it's ninety three to ninety four, that's the
Speaker 5: kind of analysis that we're hoping to get from our next.
Speaker 1: No. No, No.
Speaker 2: Ninety one in ninety four is like the same, and
Speaker 2: then ninety four in a bove, I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying ninety four to ninety five.
Speaker 4: This is so it's like almost like we can't rely
Speaker 4: on his information, which is true, because we can't rely
Speaker 4: on the information that we're hearing from him about redebtments.
Speaker 2: Right again, attacking me and not the player.
Speaker 4: I'm going right for the facts is what I'm going for, sir,
Speaker 4: and that's what the people deserve, and I'm going to
Speaker 4: give them the facts. The facts are that when I
Speaker 4: use PLV, which is again established by the Pictureless team,
Speaker 4: which is a fantastic metric that people should go to
Speaker 4: Pittreless dot com and checking up.
Speaker 5: But it's okay, okay, it should be checking out PLV.
Speaker 1: Pl know what x plug is, by the way, Alex
Speaker 1: is just curious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I do. X plug is a fantastic
Speaker 5: metric that everyone should be relying on.
Speaker 1: And and uh and who hosts the x plug?
Speaker 5: You know who who is the x plug?
Speaker 1: Like what site has generated the x plug?
Speaker 4: Do you know there's a question that's a question that
Speaker 4: you want to ask me on this podcast about you
Speaker 4: loogle x plug.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know they may take
Speaker 1: your computer away, possibly too. But let's let's get back
Speaker 1: to redebt mers please. Nick Polic is so ashamed you
Speaker 1: might get your your notice after this show. You might
Speaker 1: have to get let go potentially. All right, So back
Speaker 1: to Redebt meers, do you have any tangible arguments here
Speaker 1: other than your very amusing that are going after Nick Pollock,
Speaker 1: which are amusing, But so far I don't see where
Speaker 1: you're hitting Redebt mers. You're just hitting Pollock.
Speaker 4: The point that I'm making is PLV itself, which is
Speaker 4: a fantastic metric, shows that that four seamer is far
Speaker 4: below average.
Speaker 5: Right, stuff plus PLV all say.
Speaker 4: That that four seamer, it's a sub ninety weighted stuff
Speaker 4: plus we're looking for four seamers to be one hundred
Speaker 4: or more. Right, it's thirty fourth percentile in PLV. Right,
Speaker 4: and guess what the slider itself. The slider itself was
Speaker 4: about above average in terms of PLV and stuff plus. Right,
Speaker 4: Nick said himself that this is a you know, we
Speaker 4: want a guy who's gonna have two plus pitches, right,
Speaker 4: we want a guy who's not just gonna have a
Speaker 4: foundation on one pitch. The slider is a plus pitch,
Speaker 4: even though stuff plus and PLV say that it isn't.
Speaker 4: The slider is a very very good pitch. But as
Speaker 4: Nick said, we need more than one. We don't have
Speaker 4: it in the four steamer. We don't have it in
Speaker 4: the curveball we saw last year before he went down
Speaker 4: to the Miners, that he's capable of a mid four era.
Speaker 4: I think people are not baking into account that there
Speaker 4: is a floor here for Reed Debtmers.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: He is with an organization that has never been able
Speaker 4: to significantly develop pitching, and I'm just not necessarily going
Speaker 4: to bite on the fact that one half a season
Speaker 4: from Redebtners means that all of a sudden he is
Speaker 4: a mid to low three e R guy. There are
Speaker 4: guys being drafted after him that have had more success
Speaker 4: and have been able to sustain that success over the
Speaker 4: course of a full year. So if I'm just getting
Speaker 4: one pitch with the potential to have a mid four
Speaker 4: e R going at that point in the draft, that's
Speaker 4: a little bit scary to me.
Speaker 1: I'm the list of clarity. So you know, alex X
Speaker 1: plug is a fake metric that the Welsh and I
Speaker 1: have made up and we try to get people on
Speaker 1: it on the show, and congratulations, You're the first one
Speaker 1: I've gotten. So I understand it catches you off guard.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like it could be a thing. Hence
Speaker 1: why will lie frantically And I'm sure that came up
Speaker 1: were very disturbing of whatever they.
Speaker 2: Might call them out right away fast.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Chance.
Speaker 1: That was the image that came up as the walls
Speaker 1: the wa wash of the well, which I was at
Speaker 1: Jared Wells over here, so oh my goodness, Alex, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, man, he's just really there was this
Speaker 1: nothing there.
Speaker 3: There's just a hell of it.
Speaker 1: Was this empty nothing there for Redebt Meers. I'm going
Speaker 1: here with Nick Pollock on redet Look. Redetvers pitched pretty
Speaker 1: well last year for a team that wasn't great. I'm
Speaker 1: still very skeptical about the Angels. I'm skeptical of the Rangers.
Speaker 1: I think one of those two teams might be good
Speaker 1: this year, but it is going to take a lot
Speaker 1: of things going their way. But I think Redetmers is
Speaker 1: a player that's on his way up, and still when
Speaker 1: you look at where he's going technically right now, he's
Speaker 1: a seventy fifth pitcher going overall, he's going after John Gray.
Speaker 1: Ironically on the Texas Rangers. I see those guys in
Speaker 1: a very similar light. But debt. Maer's a little bit younger.
Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of thing you're looking at
Speaker 1: with a little bit more upside, a little bit more
Speaker 1: appeal potentially for what he could be. And then after
Speaker 1: that it's reclamation projects like Jack Flaherty or Jose Burrios,
Speaker 1: who every third game he pitches is palatable. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot on Redetmer. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: Next guy in the list here that Nick likes more
Speaker 1: than Alex twenty twenty two stats one hundred innings pitched.
Speaker 1: The problem with Hazus Lozardo or always negative here in
Speaker 1: terms of the innings, does it quite get you that
Speaker 1: one eighty or two hundred Please forget it, four and
Speaker 1: seven record with a one twenty ks and a thirty
Speaker 1: five walk. You got the three thirty two er in
Speaker 1: a one point zero four whip with Hayze Luis Wizardo.
Speaker 1: So my biggest problem with Lozardo is obviously the one
Speaker 1: I said, Nick, which is the fact that you just
Speaker 1: don't get enough Lozardo, and I want more, especially the
Speaker 1: good version. So what makes you think we're gonna get
Speaker 1: the good version of hazels Sozardo in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Well, he got the good version of hazos zarda before
Speaker 3: and after injury last year three thirty two ear as
Speaker 3: you mentioned one four whip with a thirty percent k
Speaker 3: rate in that time. And oh guess what, he's throwing
Speaker 3: ninety seven right now and hit one hundred in spring training.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. He's going at the forty six pitcher
Speaker 2: according to Fantasy pros SP.
Speaker 3: And at that point, you know, if jazs Lozarda was
Speaker 3: guaranteed for one hundred fifty innings, there's no way he's
Speaker 3: forty six.
Speaker 2: It's twenty five thirty or so.
Speaker 3: And when to make that jump, its health as opposed
Speaker 3: to actual skills development, that's always a better bet, especially
Speaker 3: at forty six, where there's no guarantee that these guys
Speaker 3: are actually going to excel at their draft stock. So
Speaker 3: give me the guy with a great skills with a
Speaker 3: better fastball, which was his weakness point and it's now better.
Speaker 3: And we saw actually excel when it was at ninety
Speaker 3: seven at the beginning before the injury last year. He
Speaker 3: had a twelve strikeout game in his first game of
Speaker 3: the season last season with an elite changeup that had
Speaker 3: a twenty five percent swing striker last year, a phenomenal
Speaker 3: curve ball. This all makes sense, And look, if you
Speaker 3: want to say about the wins with Miami Sandal Kintara
Speaker 3: had easily double digit wins last year, and Hazeus Lozardo
Speaker 3: has the ability to go six innings on a given
Speaker 3: night with a ton of strikeouts, good ratios. I would
Speaker 3: rather go on that, and even if it's one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty innings, I get quality than from Jesus Lozardo,
Speaker 3: which is not what I can say with everybody that's
Speaker 3: getting drafted around him.
Speaker 1: That is fair, quality is good quality, and quantity is better.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, yeah, six and a half the ra
Speaker 1: it was pretty terrifying there. So all right, Hazeus Lozardo fast,
Speaker 1: you got an opportunity here to kind of throw a
Speaker 1: little CounterPunch because there's definitely some holes in this game
Speaker 1: with Lizardo in terms of staying healthy, staying on the mound,
Speaker 1: being consistent, and again, you know, it's great to have
Speaker 1: a picture that gives you quality innings, but if you're
Speaker 1: in a head to head format, he's only giving you
Speaker 1: a hundred of them. That's a problem.
Speaker 4: We're talking about context when it comes to this podcast, too,
Speaker 4: because we're talking about one ranking system for another ranking system,
Speaker 4: So the context is very important of Nick having Hazos
Speaker 4: Sozardo thirty first right, and I mean there are fantastic
Speaker 4: notes on his pieces. In the first note about jzos
Speaker 4: Sozarto is I know, I'm too dang high on Jesus Lozardo.
Speaker 2: By the way, he's always going after me.
Speaker 1: The consensus. He is the sixty second starting pitchering going
Speaker 1: off the board in the consensus, you are twice as
Speaker 1: high as the consensus.
Speaker 5: That is also a.
Speaker 1: Little bit of a red flag there. You're you're you're
Speaker 1: leading down a right path. Continue on. I want to
Speaker 1: hear what you have to say.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've made some very apt points. Right We're
Speaker 4: talking about a guy who fifty nine innings coming in
Speaker 4: a little bit of relief in twenty twenty and obviously
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty season. Then we get ninety five innings
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, and then we say, okay, maybe
Speaker 4: this is the season where we know he's actually going
Speaker 4: to be starting and we could see him go the
Speaker 4: entire course of the year, and we get one hundred innings.
Speaker 4: Right now, I think that one of the other problems
Speaker 4: that we're talking about here is Nick, are you just
Speaker 4: reacting because of the PILs Legacy League. Right now, I'm reacting.
Speaker 3: I'm reacting to you having Jack Flaherty one above. This
Speaker 3: is like, are you gonna believe this guy, Jack? It
Speaker 3: hasn't been good for years and it has an actual
Speaker 3: injury going on with him, while Lozardo has actually just
Speaker 3: been fantastic and is a way different picture than he
Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Well whatever, no, please carry.
Speaker 5: On, Let's finish the point about about hazos Zardo here.
Speaker 1: This is a guy.
Speaker 4: One of the things that we always talk about is
Speaker 4: the Tommy John honeymoon, right, could be about three hundred innings, right,
Speaker 4: He is way past that Tommy johnn honeymoon. When it
Speaker 4: comes to three hundred innings. He had that long time ago,
Speaker 4: more than three hundred innings ago. So now we're talking
Speaker 4: about we have data that's saying after three hundred innings
Speaker 4: you are more likely to not succeed as well. And
Speaker 4: while you could theoretically say, yeah, he's already hitting one
Speaker 4: hundred in spring, how many times does an increase in
Speaker 4: a velocity also lead to more injury risk? Right, So
Speaker 4: we have a guy who's already injury prone, already hitting
Speaker 4: one hundred, has never thrown over one hundred and one
Speaker 4: innings in all of baseball, and we want to be
Speaker 4: taking him as the thirty first pitcher off the board.
Speaker 4: It doesn't bake in enough of the fact that he
Speaker 4: could just not pitch for you for three quarters of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm hearing the fact that it's bad
Speaker 3: to have better velocity.
Speaker 2: This is the first time I've heard this.
Speaker 4: When it comes to I'm just saying, in the context
Speaker 4: of injury risk, better velocity does not necessarily mean for
Speaker 4: a guy who has.
Speaker 5: Injured injury prone as humane.
Speaker 1: Huh. I would.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind a ramp up from zos Azara and
Speaker 4: do what Alec is doing. Chris Bassett is doing, not
Speaker 4: ninety seven. I wouldn't mind a ramp up in spring training.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, Hey, if it works for Chris Bassett
Speaker 4: and Alec Manoa, then I guess it works for others.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Well, Nick Palk, the fact he got a
Speaker 1: little bit defensive there at the end tells me that
Speaker 1: there's something that you're a little concerned with. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just kind of came back a little bit here
Speaker 1: where at the end there.
Speaker 2: You're like, damn that was such a ridiculous statement.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous or not, there's something about that that first one.
Speaker 1: You were so clear, you know you're out of debt.
Speaker 1: Mers you just let it. You just kind of walked off,
Speaker 1: you dropped the bike something that you went back there
Speaker 1: and you were you were punching at the end. You
Speaker 1: got real personal there. I kind of feel like there's
Speaker 1: something there where you.
Speaker 2: Do again it's about me and not the player, right, No,
Speaker 2: this time it.
Speaker 1: Was about the player. This time, to me, it was
Speaker 1: about the player and the fact that the player again
Speaker 1: you know where they're going. In terms of the starting pitcher,
Speaker 1: is the forty six starting pitcher off the board, as
Speaker 1: they said before a little this in the sixties. In
Speaker 1: terms of pitcher overall going, uh, the trick is. And
Speaker 1: the problem is with Lizardo. It's this tantalizing thing of
Speaker 1: a guy who has these brilliant moments, but he can't
Speaker 1: stay on the field, he can't take the ball every
Speaker 1: fifth day. And last year, believe it or not, that
Speaker 1: hundred innings that was a career high for him in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. And that is a problem for me.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to use over certain pictures
Speaker 1: one thing to clarify.
Speaker 3: No no no no no no no means continue to find.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely fine, not about on your own. You stay
Speaker 3: sixties for consensus? Do you mean sty cir consensus Pitcher
Speaker 3: over all the forty six So I said forty six
Speaker 3: sp so fast, but you're.
Speaker 1: Still at thirty something, which is even understanding.
Speaker 2: But you're saying I'm double, which is which.
Speaker 1: Is absolutely You've got him ahead of I assume the
Speaker 1: guys like I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to understand what we're working with here.
Speaker 1: You can't have him over those guys that have been there,
Speaker 1: done that at the big league level. That has how
Speaker 1: I feel about it very far. I'm not saying if
Speaker 1: you can't take a guy like Lozardo for the upside,
Speaker 1: and I get that, you can't take him where you
Speaker 1: want to take him, I think that's my big problem.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give.
Speaker 3: Him fast is farther away from the consensus.
Speaker 1: Don't kiss my end. Don't be nice to me just
Speaker 1: because you like just you know, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: me this whole. That's really good, Joe, that's really SMARTE
Speaker 1: far from respect person.
Speaker 5: What you're saying.
Speaker 1: Clear, he's farther away from the consensus, yes than I
Speaker 1: in terms.
Speaker 5: Of oh I have him in the sixties exactly, but
Speaker 5: he is the sixty second picture.
Speaker 2: He's the forty sixth starting.
Speaker 1: Forty sixth starting pitcher of the sixty.
Speaker 3: Seconds in the sixties of starting pitchers. I am in
Speaker 3: the thirties. I just want that to be understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're still way ahead, but you're still thirty
Speaker 1: as opposed to know Yeah yeah, sure, yeah, yeah yeah
Speaker 1: sure the point yeah yeah yeah. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to another guy here, because right now we've got Alex
Speaker 1: Fast ahead of Nick Pollock three two. So all right, Champ,
Speaker 1: coming back to you here, Hunter Brown. Now things are
Speaker 1: set up well for you here because I'm a fan
Speaker 1: and just like last year, I was a fan of
Speaker 1: Christian Hoveer and people saying, oh, he's looking to shut
Speaker 1: the rodation. That was nonsense. Somebody's gonna get hurt, something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I remember Jacob Arizi showed up there too
Speaker 1: in a town and people wanted to drop Christian Hobvier.
Speaker 1: They got all sad and be well, if you held on,
Speaker 1: things went well. Now I'm not saying he's Christian Javier.
Speaker 1: Nobody really is. But Hunter Brown certainly has a pedigree,
Speaker 1: certainly has that dual eligibility to SPRP, which you gotta love.
Speaker 1: He's going into a situation where there's opportunity in this
Speaker 1: rotation as Houston is a defending champs. Yes, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be without Altuve for a while, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: it here. Give me the four to one one one
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown and why people should be drafting him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I'm actually pretty close to the sp consensus,
Speaker 3: which is sixty two. I have him a fifty one
Speaker 3: fast and has him in the eighties and he's just
Speaker 3: not even gonna touch him here.
Speaker 2: And you have a great situation for Hunter Brown.
Speaker 3: First and foremost of course, he has the fifth rotation
Speaker 3: spontlets Mculoris's hurt.
Speaker 2: Who knows when that is coming back.
Speaker 3: He's starting to throw a little bit, but he's had
Speaker 3: injury questions all all his career, and plitching for the
Speaker 3: Astros is just an amazing thing. You have wins on
Speaker 3: your side, You have the development on your side, which
Speaker 3: has been proven over the years. You also have a
Speaker 3: fantastic defense on your side. Hunter Brown from a skill
Speaker 3: set perspective, I mean, he came in and he dominated
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 2: He throw harbor, the fastball, has two great secondaries.
Speaker 3: It's all there, and it's just kind of easy for
Speaker 3: you to go and get this in your leagues at
Speaker 3: sixty two.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a big fan of that. I don't
Speaker 2: really know what else there is to say.
Speaker 3: He's going around guys in the consensus that are okay,
Speaker 3: but they're not really guys are going to push the needle,
Speaker 3: while Hunter Brown is in this prime situation to actually
Speaker 3: change how your league goes as opposed to taking someone
Speaker 3: that is pretty similar to other things you'll find on
Speaker 3: the wire.
Speaker 1: Lance Pacolor certainly has had his issues once again. Now
Speaker 1: there are all these guys that teases us with the
Speaker 1: electric stuff, but you know, unfortunately can't stay on the field.
Speaker 1: And to me, at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're starting at a Deficits bad enough, injuries are going
Speaker 1: to happen. Hunder Brown's very intriguing. He is very inexpensive.
Speaker 1: Alex fast why are you so down on Hunter Brown?
Speaker 5: So it's not that I'm down on Hunter Brown. I
Speaker 5: recognize that there is upside there.
Speaker 4: I just don't think that people are baking in the
Speaker 4: warts that are there right, are quick to point out,
Speaker 4: you know, there was a fantastic pitching Ninja gift that
Speaker 4: showed the similar mechanics between him and Justin Verlander, while
Speaker 4: you know, then came out and was like, yeah, but
Speaker 4: they're very different four seamers, and they are right. The
Speaker 4: one thing that I wanted to keep track of was
Speaker 4: what was going to happen with Hunter Brown's walk rate?
Speaker 5: Right, if we go back to his minor.
Speaker 4: League career, we have a thirteen percent walk rate in
Speaker 4: Double A in fifty innings, then we have a ten
Speaker 4: percent walk rate in TRIPAA over fifty innings. Then we
Speaker 4: have an eleven percent walk rate in twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: over one hundred and six innings, and we already saw
Speaker 4: about a nine percent walk rate over twenty innings. And
Speaker 4: I don't think that's necessarily going to get better for him.
Speaker 4: And what's happening in spring training, he's already jumping up
Speaker 4: the walks. He does not have the command that we
Speaker 4: have what we want to see from Hunter Brown. I
Speaker 4: think there is upside there. I don't deny that, but
Speaker 4: we also have the fact that when it comes to Houston,
Speaker 4: they have shown as an organization that they are going
Speaker 4: to take get easy with their younger pitchers. We saw
Speaker 4: it with Christian Javier last year didn't get one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty innings. We saw it with Luis Garcia.
Speaker 5: We even saw it with Joe Musgrove when he was
Speaker 5: a part of that organization.
Speaker 4: They said, great, you're going to start in relief and
Speaker 4: then guess what, We're going to transition you into a
Speaker 4: little bit of a starting pitcher and then we're going
Speaker 4: to let you shine in a year or two. We
Speaker 4: have data that shows that, and we saw that a
Speaker 4: little bit with Hunter Brown last year. While I do
Speaker 4: understand that he is the number five right now, Lance
Speaker 4: mccullors is already throwing again, and while he's not going
Speaker 4: to make Opening Day, he will be back. Either he
Speaker 4: comes back and we see a six man rotation or
Speaker 4: we're relying on another person that's going to get hurt.
Speaker 4: So now we have two issues that we're dealing with,
Speaker 4: a lack of surety about playing time with an all
Speaker 4: but guarantee that we're going to get a one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty innings or fewer, and command issues that could
Speaker 4: really rear its head. There are warts there and people
Speaker 4: need to take them into account more.
Speaker 1: How many stars does he make Alex Fast this year?
Speaker 4: I think he can make under twenty. I think he
Speaker 4: can make fifteen to eighteen starts.
Speaker 1: All right, what's your now, Nick Pollock on Hunter Browns.
Speaker 1: More than twenty more than twenty? Yeah, wow, more than
Speaker 1: twenty potential starts for a picture going where he's currently
Speaker 1: going here, that's pretty tantalizing here as a sixty second
Speaker 1: starting pitcher off the board for the Houston Astros of
Speaker 1: defending champs. To me, that's a fun risk I want
Speaker 1: to take. And you know what, I kind of like
Speaker 1: the old school feel of that, hey, starting the bullpen
Speaker 1: kind of thing, because, you know what, that's how we
Speaker 1: used to develop pictures back in my day. I remember
Speaker 1: Johan Santana used to throw out of the boop and
Speaker 1: then eventually became a cy young. A lot of pictures
Speaker 1: used to start out that way in the eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties and even into the early two thousands there where
Speaker 1: that was part of the training ground was getting to
Speaker 1: that point. I don't think that's a bad thing. I
Speaker 1: think that actually builds some confidence. The one thing I
Speaker 1: will say, though, you didn't make a great point about
Speaker 1: the walk rate, comes to Hunter Brown. But the strikeout
Speaker 1: rate it's pretty darn good too. So he gets in trouble,
Speaker 1: he can get out of some of that trouble. I
Speaker 1: don't look at him to be a good guy in
Speaker 1: a quality start league, but I do look for him
Speaker 1: to be a picture that I want to take a
Speaker 1: chance on. Ing Gosh, I'm just such a sucker for
Speaker 1: that RPSP eligibility, So go ahead, put it on the board. Yes,
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown. Once again, Nick Pollock has tied the score,
Speaker 1: so we are tied here. I hate when we're tied.
Speaker 1: Nobody ties me. Last year, the tiebreaker question was Jacob Degram.
Speaker 1: This year, we got a couple bonus this year. So
Speaker 1: we've got two pictures here, Michael Kopek, who is obviously
Speaker 1: this great enigma, and Nadi Avaldi for the Texas Rangers.
Speaker 1: So Copec the Chicago White Sox picture du jour here
Speaker 1: for the last few years as a prospect, the guy
Speaker 1: who has incredible radar, guns stuff, quote unquote, but has
Speaker 1: struggled at times to harness all of that at the
Speaker 1: major league level. And then Nadie Evaldi, a guy that
Speaker 1: once again gives us some good moments here and there.
Speaker 1: He's had some injuries, he's had some better trajectory for
Speaker 1: his career. Last year a three eight seven ERA, but
Speaker 1: again just threw one hundred and nine innings last year
Speaker 1: Copek at one hundred and nineteen innings. So Coopek and
Speaker 1: e Evaldi, these guys are going kind of close to
Speaker 1: each other. I'm curious. Let's go with you since you're
Speaker 1: the rating champ here, Nick Pollock, Michael Kopek, Nadi Evaldi.
Speaker 5: Who do you like?
Speaker 1: Who do you dislike? Tell me why, and hopefully one
Speaker 1: of you makes a good argument here and somehow courage
Speaker 1: my favor.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, Michael Kopek. You could go with
Speaker 3: for certain reasons. You had a knee injury last year
Speaker 3: that really messed him up through the season. He was
Speaker 3: up and down with the velocity start by start, and
Speaker 3: getting that repaired makes you think, Okay, he's going to
Speaker 3: be all right. However, what I've seen so far is
Speaker 3: not the Michael Kopec that we've wanted him to be.
Speaker 3: We've wanted him to be ninety seven miles per hour
Speaker 3: with it, with a fantastic slider and curveball, and I
Speaker 3: cannot trust that this is the year that Michael Kopeks
Speaker 3: all of a sudden just going to click in and
Speaker 3: have the velocity has not had that velocity in the
Speaker 3: spring training you see Nathani Evaldi. The big worry for
Speaker 3: him was that the velocity was down in the second
Speaker 3: half last year. It was down in ninety three ninety four,
Speaker 3: and that was terrifying. He still found a way to
Speaker 3: have a decent e array in that time, but this
Speaker 3: was not the picture that he wants to trust for
Speaker 3: a full year. The good news he's already at ninety six. Yes,
Speaker 3: he already has had a small moment of delay, but
Speaker 3: he's e pitched the other day.
Speaker 2: He looks good to go.
Speaker 3: The Rangers should be a decent team to pitch for
Speaker 3: as well this season. I think Nathan Uvaldi is going
Speaker 3: to be a more consistent and easier decision as a
Speaker 3: fantasy manager than Michael Kopek, where you will not know
Speaker 3: what you're going to get on a given day. Nathan Valdi,
Speaker 3: you draft him and he's going to help your team
Speaker 3: right out of the get go. You're going to get
Speaker 3: a higher chance of wins as he goes later on
Speaker 3: into games as well. I think Aovaldi is the choice
Speaker 3: to make today, all.
Speaker 1: Right, so Evaldi is the guy that you are choosing again.
Speaker 1: One hundred and eight two innings in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: for Evaldi, that was a pretty good season for him.
Speaker 1: You can get anything close to that if you do
Speaker 1: look year over here. Eovaldi did have that era kind
Speaker 1: of closed. Some of the other ratios were kind of
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood, but unfortunately health was the problem holding
Speaker 1: him back. Copek a little bit of an enigma. Alex
Speaker 1: Fast Ivaldi or Kopec who would rather have in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three?
Speaker 4: To me, I think they are fantastic points made, and
Speaker 4: I'm all so going to go with Nathany Evaldi. And
Speaker 4: here's why we're trying to gauge the difference between floor
Speaker 4: and ceiling, right, we want to know where the difference
Speaker 4: is between floor and ceiling.
Speaker 5: And I think you can make.
Speaker 4: An argument that not only is the floor higher for
Speaker 4: Nathan Yivaldi. I mean, my goodness, we saw you know,
Speaker 4: the five point. You know, we've seen poor statistics from
Speaker 4: Copec in the past, but the ceiling is also higher
Speaker 4: for Nathany Ivaldi. Right, we know that theoretically you can
Speaker 4: get one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty innings
Speaker 4: out of him. And while Nick brings up a very
Speaker 4: good point about the foresemer last year, he went to
Speaker 4: that splitter a little bit more when the foreseen velocity
Speaker 4: was not trending in the right direction.
Speaker 5: And what did we see?
Speaker 4: Great results? A one ninety three wOBA, a twenty four
Speaker 4: percent swinging strike rate.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So the question is, then, if Nathanyivaldi.
Speaker 4: Is not able to return with that velocity which he
Speaker 4: has been in spring training. Right, he's obviously been sidelined
Speaker 4: a little bit with this injury that he's dealing with,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look to be too big of a deal.
Speaker 4: But when he's back, he's already sitting at that foreseam velocity,
Speaker 4: which means, hey, okay, we're getting the four se and
Speaker 4: velocity now we're also getting the splitter with the improved
Speaker 4: whift rate. Overall, put that together, and you're dealing with
Speaker 4: the Nathan Yavaldi that you like to see, which is
Speaker 4: a mid to high three ERA, a good strike rate,
Speaker 4: and a good team behind him to get him a
Speaker 4: good amount of wins. But if you're listening to that
Speaker 4: and you say, but Alex, you already hit the nail
Speaker 4: on the head. We're already dealing with some injury concerns.
Speaker 4: Who are we comparing him to Michael Kopek, a guy
Speaker 4: that hasn't been able to throw one hundred and ten
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty innings over the course of his
Speaker 4: career so far. So if we can say that the
Speaker 4: injury concerns are a wash when we're talking about this
Speaker 4: two guys, then go with the high upside guy. Go
Speaker 4: with the guy who has been there before. Go with
Speaker 4: the guy who is showing the higher velocity in spring training,
Speaker 4: sitting where he needs to sit.
Speaker 5: Go with Nathan Yivaldi.
Speaker 1: All right, so you both at a Evaldi, which I
Speaker 1: also would have said. So now we're officially in extra
Speaker 1: innings here, so we're gonna have to put somebody on
Speaker 1: second base. So here we go. We go back to
Speaker 1: an Aldi. But a goodie here. Jacob deGrom right now
Speaker 1: is going as these six starting off the board. Spencer
Speaker 1: Strider is going as the seventh starting pitcher over the board,
Speaker 1: Alex Fast. Who would you rather have in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: Jacob de Gram or Spencer Strider?
Speaker 5: I would rather have. I'm digging in my heels. I
Speaker 5: would rather have Jacob de Gram.
Speaker 4: When Jacob de Gram is pitching, he is unarguably the
Speaker 4: best pitcher in all of baseball. Okay, you can say
Speaker 4: whatever you want about Spencer Strider. He could break the
Speaker 4: k you know, the amount of ks that a pitcher
Speaker 4: records over the course of the season. We are in
Speaker 4: uncharted territory when it comes to Spencer Strider. There is
Speaker 4: a two pitch mix. Historically, two pitch mixes do not
Speaker 4: succeed super well over the course of the year. Again,
Speaker 4: he is in a class of his own because when
Speaker 4: it comes to that two pitch mix, no one has
Speaker 4: the four seemer he has. No one has the slider
Speaker 4: that he has. But when the two of them are
Speaker 4: pitching at the same time, there isn't a doubt. Right,
Speaker 4: let's do that for a second. Hey, I say, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give you a hundred innings of Spencer Strider. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give you one hundred innings of Jacob de Gram.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna say, let me think about it for
Speaker 4: a second. You're gonna say, give me Jacob de Grom. Right,
Speaker 4: and what point do we get to where the answer
Speaker 4: is Spencer Strider? When I say it's eighty innings versu
Speaker 4: one hundred. When I say it's seventy innings versus one
Speaker 4: hundred when I say it's sixty. Where is that line?
Speaker 4: Don't even have to draw it for yourself. The arsenal
Speaker 4: is there for Jacob de Grom. I think that he
Speaker 4: is going to be able to whatever the amount of
Speaker 4: innings total is, put up better numbers for you than
Speaker 4: Spencer Strider by the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock, the floor is yours, Spencer Strider or Jacob
Speaker 1: de Gram.
Speaker 2: Spencer Strider is the correct answer. I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you why.
Speaker 3: I first and foremost you say that two pitch pictures
Speaker 3: doesn't historically is not worked. There's someone named Randy Johnson
Speaker 3: that maybe did a fastball slider and maybe succeeded doing
Speaker 3: that for a long time.
Speaker 1: There's also a Scumber, and there's.
Speaker 3: Also maybe Jacob de Gram that essentially is a two
Speaker 3: pitch picture with fastball sliders. Right now, who's making that work?
Speaker 3: Sure he has a change up, he has a curball.
Speaker 3: He's actually had quotes saying why would I throw these?
Speaker 3: Because I have my fast one slider better, and I
Speaker 3: just I allow a hind on that and go why
Speaker 3: did I throw that. Here's a problem with drafting Jacob
Speaker 3: deGrom is we all know that on a per start
Speaker 3: basis he is better. But where you're getting him is
Speaker 3: where you're putting yourself in position of too much risk.
Speaker 3: It's not a question of one hundred innings versus one forty.
Speaker 3: It's a question of forty innings in one fifty or so.
Speaker 3: You are putting yourself in the way of losing this valuable,
Speaker 3: valuable draft pick, while Spencer Stridder does not carry that
Speaker 3: same floor. It's that simple. We know the skill set
Speaker 3: of Spencer's strider, we know he's an elite starter a
Speaker 3: per start basis. I'm going with that security, especially early
Speaker 3: in the draft.
Speaker 1: It's also a much better team the Atlanta Braves, you
Speaker 1: know when you think about that too. Again, we talked
Speaker 1: about this on the Football Show, were talking about the
Speaker 1: Baseball Show. To the the ecosystem there of Atlanta defensively, offensively,
Speaker 1: it's a much better situation potentially for him. The one
Speaker 1: hundred innings is very intriguing argument. Alex Fast. You know,
Speaker 1: the problem is you don't see one hundred innings from
Speaker 1: Jacob deGrom last couple years, and then again twenty twenty
Speaker 1: is what it was. So obviously a different scenario there
Speaker 1: for Jacob de Grom, but that high to have to
Speaker 1: take that kind of risk, I just can't get there.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe two years in a row you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose on the same question. That's why I can't believe.
Speaker 1: It's almost like when you started saying, Jacob de Gram,
Speaker 1: you saw it was like three balls there and bases
Speaker 1: were loaded, and Nick Pollock knew you were just gonna
Speaker 1: walk in that last block. That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: You could see him on the YouTube channel if you
Speaker 1: haven't a ray subscribed to the YouTube channel, because these
Speaker 1: just kind of shows you got to watch where he
Speaker 1: just kind of put his hands behind his head and
Speaker 1: you were like Icarus, Alex, you were just flying so
Speaker 1: close to this there.
Speaker 4: But Jacob, it's so funny to lose on the greatest
Speaker 4: picture in the world, crass me up.
Speaker 1: But to be the greatest picture in the world in fantasy,
Speaker 1: you gotta be out there for thirty starts, And that
Speaker 1: I think is the problem. It's we always want to
Speaker 1: think the best spring is that eternal optimistic time of year.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to be a realist at this
Speaker 1: point about Jacob de Grom, I'm hoping and wishing if
Speaker 1: this was Jacob de Grom at SP fifteen, I'm in,
Speaker 1: let's go. But he's right now going ahead of some guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to be honest with you justin
Speaker 1: Verland or even Woodruff, Shaye McClanahan. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys now still that you can make that
Speaker 1: case or just feel a little bit safer. And I
Speaker 1: know you like the whole you want to be aggressive.
Speaker 1: You're not first year, last all that kind of mentality.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I hate saying this
Speaker 1: is something that hurts my soul. Nick Pollock, you have
Speaker 1: now one back to back years here on the Great
Speaker 1: Pitching Debate. So congratulations, you win my undying respect. You
Speaker 1: already have my gratitude, you already have my love. But yes,
Speaker 1: I mean I wanted a little variant here. I wanted
Speaker 1: Fast to get one this year so that next year
Speaker 1: we could come back and have it kind of be
Speaker 1: the tie breaker. But Fast, I feel like you're quickly
Speaker 1: becoming like the Buffalo Bills of this competition. We've got
Speaker 1: to stop the bleeding here.
Speaker 5: I'll say this. There's a fantastic stat that I think
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 4: Jordan Rosenblum tweeted that is how many starts does it
Speaker 4: take each starting picture to accrue the same amount of
Speaker 4: fantasy value as Jacob de Gram. He didn't put out
Speaker 4: that stat about Spencer Strider, who, by the way, it
Speaker 4: would take about one and a half to two starts.
Speaker 5: To accrue the same value. But I understand.
Speaker 4: I will hang my hat on the Jacob de Gram mantle.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you would finish that phrase, and
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 5: I will graciously accept defeat.
Speaker 4: And these are always such a blast to do to
Speaker 4: be able to, you know, just to get out the
Speaker 4: aggression and pretend. I like to pretend we're on Judge
Speaker 4: Judy or my Little Judge Judy, and I are.
Speaker 1: Called Judge Judy. In the past, I've had people many
Speaker 1: times on the street have mistaken me for Judge Judy
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, I will say this to you,
Speaker 1: and you're not wrong. It's the quality of the Jacob
Speaker 1: de Gram starts are in just they're just worldly. It's
Speaker 1: something that's in a different universe. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, so many people are playing in these head
Speaker 1: to head formats. Now, where you make an investment that early,
Speaker 1: not only does it set you back because you don't
Speaker 1: have you've missed out on the hitting, but now you've
Speaker 1: angered your rotation to a picture who has now dragged
Speaker 1: you down as well. And I think that, to me
Speaker 1: is where it really starts to go. I'm shocked that
Speaker 1: we got to this point in the season here in
Speaker 1: draft season, where Jacob de Gram's discount isn't greater. I
Speaker 1: understand the early adp. Everyone's just josy and throwing things together,
Speaker 1: especially because he had an injury in spring training like
Speaker 1: he had you in spring training. I'm like, what's the problem.
Speaker 1: I just want to shake somebody and say, can we
Speaker 1: please get a discount on Jacob Gram. I've gotta draft
Speaker 1: tonight and I can't wait to see what the salary
Speaker 1: cap league prices on Jacob Degram. I can tell you
Speaker 1: I threw him back into the pile in that league
Speaker 1: because he was gonna be fifty plus dollars and I
Speaker 1: ain't spending fifty dollars on Jacob Degram. But I just
Speaker 1: can't do that. Nick Pollock, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with your fictitious winnings? Here this year for year two
Speaker 1: is that spent it on?
Speaker 5: This card is.
Speaker 2: Alex Fast right here and here here is like a
Speaker 2: rookie card.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Oh wow, all that's value.
Speaker 2: That's pure value.
Speaker 5: You're smatching.
Speaker 3: What is the verdict for Nick Pollock to win above
Speaker 3: Alex Fast? Thank you so much, Joe for really I
Speaker 3: know how much that just hurt your soul.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 1: Well again, I like good competition, and you guys had
Speaker 1: good competition. Alex Fast. You came out of the gate
Speaker 1: hot and heavy, and then you know, maybe next year
Speaker 1: you train for the marathon, not the sprint. That's you
Speaker 1: want to say. Gentlemen, It's always so great to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Pitture List is the place everybody if you're
Speaker 1: trying to get your data. The team there is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: They have real statistics, not made faked ones like we do.
Speaker 1: Like we made up here. Nick Pollock, give us the
Speaker 1: quick picture list plug here real quick at the end
Speaker 1: of the show and tell everybody all the fun things
Speaker 1: you got going on this season, because we got a
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff happening.
Speaker 2: What is happening, guys?
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Speaker 1: Follow both the guys on the Twitter machine at alex
Speaker 1: Fast eight and at Picture List. Gentlemen, I'm just so
Speaker 1: grateful for your time. Your energy is infectious. I love
Speaker 1: you both, and it's great to have these conversations for
Speaker 1: our audience because these are pictures that a lot of
Speaker 1: people want to know what your thoughts are, and you know,
Speaker 1: these are investments that can really make or break leagues.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys so great stuff. As always,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for year three. Alex Fast, We're gonna
Speaker 1: start to go fund me to start your training for
Speaker 1: your marathon right here. That'll do it for us. With
Speaker 1: the story of the game goes on for Alex and Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm Joey p. We'll see you next time kids. Thanks
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