WEBVTT - The Great Pitcher Debate: Alex Fast vs. Nick Pollack | Title-Winning Pitchers (Ep. 631) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.560 Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.240 Baseball Podcast. It is me, Joey Pa, Joe Pi Zapia, 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.560 and you are in for a treat today. Back by 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.800 popular demand, here we go. It's the twenty twenty three 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.639 version of the Great Pitching Debate. And who better to 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.800 talk about this than our boys, Nick Pollock and Alex 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.880 Fast from Pitcher List, two of the best in the business. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.480 These guys eat, sleep, and breathe pitching and they have 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.560 great contempt for one another, which is why they're friends 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.720 and why they are back here on the program. And gentlemen, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.640 I went back and listened to last year's so much 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.240 good advice. This was so close too. At the end, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.720 Nick Pollock did pull it out, and you know what 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.279 the tie breaking question was, whether or not you were 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.560 gonna draft Jacob de Grom and Alex Fast was without hesitation. Yes, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.480 I'm good, Yes we're doing it. We're going. I wonder 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.960 what that answer is this year. But Nick Pollock was hesitant. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.840 Therefore I agreed with him, and I gave him the 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.160 final point, Nick, what does it feel to be uh, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:02.840 what does it feel like to be King of the Mountain? 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.560 And do you think you can go back to back 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.840 here in twenty three It. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.640 Feels like a Tuesday, Joe, That's what. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:15.160 It feels like. I'm going to go back to back 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.240 because I've seen Alex FAST's top one hundred, and it's just, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.760 you know, he's come so far in this industry since 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.200 I got that starry eyed email in twenty sixteen, but 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:28.759 there are still some things he has to learn. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.840 Alex Fast, you have last we spoke, you are very 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.640 close to having a child. You've now had said child. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.399 I know that sometimes changes a man. Do you think 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.360 it's changed you enough that you're ready here to dethrone 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.520 the reigning champion here? Nick Pollock, do you think that 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.840 experience has kind of changed you as a human, as 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.320 an as an analyst as well. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.200 It's given me perspective, It's given me, you know, wisdom, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.920 It's made me a lot wiser, of course. And I 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.160 have no qualms or concerns about wedding this because I've 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:00.600 already won. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.560 Right, I have the receipts that prove it. We can 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:04.760 go to our d MS and. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.760 Say, well, Joe, the list I originally gave you, says Nick, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.160 It's not right. I took a look at Alex's and 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.320 I adjusted it, and that's so funny. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.760 All of the rankings are closer to mine. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.959 Now we'll see a lot of that over the course 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.080 of this podcast, including with one of the first guys 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.640 that we're going to be talking about. So regardless of 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.480 what happens today, when my head hits the pillow tonight, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.079 oh no, I already won. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.679 Well there you go. If you guys aren't excited, I 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.960 don't know what to make I don't understand it. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.160 It's like the election results are rigged before we start. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:36.640 You know. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.520 Well, I'm just. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.000 Happy this year, Nick, actually that Alex put the time 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.400 into make rankings this year because last year, arg. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.320 See making a child. Last year I couldn't. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.040 No, that's not true. You aren't making a child. You 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.920 are waiting on a child. If you're making a child, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.680 maybe I would have given you a little bit more 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.200 slack or even the big thumbs up potentially, But you're 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.360 just waiting for one. I mean that could take you hours, months, weeks, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.000 you know. So look, now, let's just get to the 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.160 meat and potatoes of what's going on here, because we 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.880 are going to go through a list of pictures that 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.079 Alex likes more than Nick, and a list of pitchers 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.800 that Nick likes more than Alex, and I'm going to 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.880 decide who is right and who is wrong. And if 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.160 you watched last year's show, it was a it was 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.359 quite the debate. So, gentlemen, I hope you're you've started 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.799 your engines and you're ready to go. We're going to 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.440 start today with our challenger. These are pictures that Alex 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.880 likes more than Nick. So Alex, I'm gonna give you 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.360 a chance here to get on the board, get on 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.200 the board fast, and kind of come out swinging here 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.639 on the big boss man Nick Pollocks. So let's start 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.320 with Kyle bradish He is an ADP of one ten 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.200 here as a starting pitcher off the board. So he's 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.520 the one hundred and tenth starting pitcher going off the 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:47.040 board here on fantasypros dot Com. The consensus ADP Bradish 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.480 strong finished last year for the Baltimore Orioles one hundred 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.560 and seventeen innings, just a four and seven record, but 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.280 one hundred and eleven k's in those one hundred and 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.560 seventeen innings. The era and whip were high, but there 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.160 were definitely some starts that raised some eyebrows. He is 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.880 a fantasy darling this year in many analyst eyes. And 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.680 Nick Fast, I mean, Alex, Oh my god, I made 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:08.000 you one person, Alex Fast. That's the most terrifying idea 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:08.760 in the whole world. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.200 Is having a baby Alex a bigger honor. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.920 Yeah, all I know is I don't know who would 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.760 have custody of that demon seed, Alex Fast. Kyle Bradish 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.760 is the guy that you want to talk about first, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.920 So make the case for Big Kyle b in Baltimore. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:28.680 Listen. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.320 Like I said earlier, the argument's already over before we 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.960 even sent over our list. Kyle Bradish wasn't even in 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.400 Knick's top one hundred. Oh my god, I put him 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.320 at eighty one, and guess what happens. He's mysteriously at 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.240 eighty six in Knick's Top one hundred a week later. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.680 Because Nick has already seen the light, he understands that 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.880 there is some increased not as much as we originally thought, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.920 but some increased velocity on Kyle Bradish's foresteamer. We're gonna 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.560 talk about in a second, because obviously Nick's gonna come 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:55.800 and he. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.120 Say, LaVar Semer's garbage. It's got cut action on it. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.000 It's never gonna do it. Did you see him at 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.320 spring training yesterday? 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:03.719 He gave up nine earned. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.880 Runs, which is my nick impression. I'm doing my best 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.200 to work on it. You have to bear with me 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:08.880 for a second. I hope you're not creating me on that. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:10.919 The slider hairlier. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.599 The slider is a fantastic pitch for him by PLV 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.440 Pitchreless's own fantastic metric, which you should be checking out. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.720 It is the seventy fourth percentile in PLV, seventeen percent 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.600 swinging strike right in all of baseball, and a two 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.680 forty three x WOBO, which is also seventy fifth percentile. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.039 That slider he can throw in and out of the zone. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.800 He can get whiffs when it's out of the zone, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.719 he can get called strikes when it's in the zone, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.080 and he frequently has very good command of the pitch. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.400 People will point to that four seemer and say, yeah, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:39.000 it's very. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:39.920 Hittable, and it is. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.520 However, he's debuted a new sinker this year. That sinker 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.080 is getting more horizontal movement breaking away from the slider 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.480 and gives him a new fastball offering that could theoretically 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:51.120 help him. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:51.880 Get over the hump. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.520 Am I talking about Kyle Bradish as a top fifty pitcher. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.360 I am not. I'm talking about a guy that you 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.360 just said is going. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.920 Three sixty three over in drafts, one hundred and tenth 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.400 pitcher off the board right now. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:04.839 He's going late enough in drafts. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.440 He's got enough shine and upside that he can positively 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.840 benefit your team. And like I said, Nick and I 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.760 are right there with him in terms of ranking. But 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.720 I would like to hear why I'm so. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.680 Wrong on a guy that Nick is just as close 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:17.160 as me on. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.000 All Right, Nick Pollock, the argument's been made for Kyle Bradish. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.839 He did kind of, you know, throw that barb out 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.880 there that you have made adjustments on him and moved 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.719 him up your board a little bit. So you're gonna 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:30.880 have to dig yourself out of that hole. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.000 That's pretty easy. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.520 When you hear someone arguing against you, instead of actually 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.280 talking about the thing at hand, they want to talk 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:37.400 about the other person. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.640 You know they don't have a strong argument. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.800 And when it comes to Kyle Bradish, I have a 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.080 rule which is, if you're into a pitcher, you have 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.560 to have at least two pitches that you really can 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.760 stand on and say like these are the two good offerings, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.359 especially when they have a bad for Steamer, as Fast 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.039 eloquently already pointed out, the for Seemer has cut action 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:56.760 that he's going to make it continue to be a 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:57.520 hit holl pitch. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:58.400 We haven't seen that. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.240 Sinker have success yet new pitch, and we he even 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.880 sends me this whole Bert Simpson image saying I will 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.200 not be swayed by a pitcher's new pitch in spring training. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:08.039 We know this. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.720 So if you look at Cali Bradish, he has a 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.440 slider that, yes, does grade well in POLY, but it's 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.280 not elite. You want to say seventy seventh percentile. That 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.560 means that there's twenty five percentile more better sliders out there. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.360 A quality pitch miyas bad pitch percentage as just sixtieighth percent. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.960 That's good, but that's not the thing I want to 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.720 hang my hat on when it comes to a pitcher. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.040 You also have the curve ball, which is under a 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.600 fiftieth percentile by Peel. It is not that strong number 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.520 two pitch that you want it to be, and it's 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.720 I'm waiting for it to happen with Kyle Bradish now 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.720 I had him inside my top one hundred. I was saying, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.600 maybe there are new things here and spring training that 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.240 I am overlooking a bit. I'm going to be lowering 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.000 him on Friday. As in your twelve teamers, I do 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.280 not want to be chasing calib Brash out of the gate. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.200 There are many other options to go for for a 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.360 higher upside, and you are putting yourself in harm's way. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.960 If you have Kyle Brash, why not go after Hayden 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.000 Westnski or so who's going around. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.800 I'm the same place inside of your drafts. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.440 There is no reason to chase Bradish, who does not 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.480 as fast ays have that top fifty eight ceiling. That 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:08.960 is not the player you want to get in your 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:09.880 twelve teamers. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.080 I understand the point you're making here in terms of 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.040 chasing him, but I'm actually looking at the ADP that's 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.560 actually moved over the weekend too. Now cal Bradish is 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.920 at pitcher one P fifty one on the consensus, so 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.400 he's moved even more recently and been dropped down further. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.040 That's just straight up free and I understand last year 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.160 he did have some moments where certainly struggled quite a bit, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.079 but there were a couple of games, two against Houston 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.559 where he was spectacular. He did have a very good 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.880 game against Cleveland down the stretch as well. He showed 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.120 you some flashes, and I think whenever a kid shows 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.240 you some flashes, you take notice of that. I remember 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.280 a couple of years back when Sandy al Contra would 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.880 show you some flashes of some stuff and you're like, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.120 maybe this guy can put it all together eventually, but 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.360 he was far from a finished product. I am not 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.000 comparing those two guys necessarily, but I think whenever you 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.760 have a guy that shows you dominant flashes and he's free, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.839 I think you take a shot on him. So Nick Pollock, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.920 you're probably right in the sense that this is a 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.400 picture that probably is going to give you some disappointment. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.760 But the fact that he's free and the fact that 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.040 he guessed a lot of free there are, but there's 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.720 not a lot of free guys who had a couple 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.680 dominant performances last year. That's the difference. Alec fast, you 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.720 get on the board here real quick with number one. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.400 So well done. Let's go to the second picture here 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.200 on your list, Sean Manaia And this is another picture too, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.840 coming off a bad year. Let's be honest, Let's call 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.079 it what it was. Last year, in one hundred and fifty 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.080 eight innings, he was an eight and nine record, one 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.120 hundred and fifty six strikeouts, just fifty walks there, three 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.280 to one k walker ratio. That's fine, except that the 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.959 whip was one point three, the era was four nine 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.760 to six, and Sean Manyah was on his way out 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.800 of San Diego, but he's staying in California, in San 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.719 Francisco and San Francisco, Alex. That's been one of those 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.280 spots where lately it seems like they know something we 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.080 don't know, and they've been able to turn around a 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.160 lot of these guys, whether it be Alex Cobb or 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.760 Kevin Gossman, they've really done a good job there identifying 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.440 pictures that they want and then getting them into that 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.120 organization and kind of fixing them. Is Sean and I 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.959 the next guy for San fran to fix. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.719 Yeah, I kind of think that when there's a lot 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.400 of good data, the points of the fact that. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.760 He may well be. Now I'm not going to continue. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.360 To harp on this point, but this is another magical 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.640 guy who was unranked by Nick and is now just 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.320 five spots away from where I magically had him in. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.880 The right You did, mind like six weeks after when 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.600 you learn about the velocity, I that's so funny. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.040 Mine came out then all we know, all of a sudden, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.120 here's John and I hear he is uh so Manaiah. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.920 As we kind of mentioned one of I think the 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.120 biggest things that has me really interested in him is 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.240 the uptick in velocity. I mean, Nick has even said 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.280 himself that that's a big thing for him. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:40.480 Right. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.240 We've seen what happens when he has the velocity that 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.880 he is showcasing. The problem has been whether he can 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.720 be consistent with it, and so far in spring training 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.040 he has been able to be consistent with it. Issues 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.640 and injuries are always going to be injuries are always 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.920 going to be an issue for him. But even if 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.120 you cap him at one hundred and fifty innings and 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.959 we see an uptick in the velocity for him, that 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.800 could theoretically be a big step forward. There were some 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.920 things that obviously, like keep hitting the nail on the head. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.839 Last year it was not great. There are some pitches though, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.520 by stuff plus that indicate that it's better than what 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.800 we saw last year right, his sinker, for example, the 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.839 change up gets a really good amount of whiffs. He 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.240 didn't really use it to be as much of a 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.679 hard contact pitch as it turned into last year. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:18.000 Right. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.920 There's a big difference between the three ninety one era 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.679 and three sixty six fifth that he put up in 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.360 one hundred and seventy innings in twenty twenty one and 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.200 the four ninety six era. Right, we saw the sinker 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.439 move arm side a bit more, and I wonder maybe 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.120 if that impacted the change up at all. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.480 The sinker did maintain its whiffs, which was good to see. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.439 It was the change up, though, and the breaking pitch 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.480 that really caused him the problems. The change up couldn't 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.120 get whiffs out of the zone. The bab have jumped up, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.760 you know, implying that even natural regression should make him 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.200 perform better. The breaker also lost its ability to get 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.800 whiffs out of the zone. It went from being able 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.360 to get ground balls at a relatively good clip to being 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.600 a kind of fly ball machine with a lot of 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.280 those fly balls leaving the yard. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.640 Right, So, what I'm kind of saying is we see 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:58.199 a change. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.760 Up in breaking pitches that have historically performed better than 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.920 they performed last year. It is not out of the 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.480 question to see them get back to where they were. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.120 Right you add in an additional tick of v LO 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.240 with that, plus that he's in a better park, plus 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.040 that he is with an organization that could theoretically benefit 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.040 him even more, then yeah, again we're talking about a 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.560 guy who is going relatively late that could provide you 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.479 with good amount of upside. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.080 The vlow is back in that low to mid nineties 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.280 range here, Nick Pollock, But you're still not buying it. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.920 Why, well, Okay, a couple things here. One, I'm actually 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.679 pretty close with a fast on Shawman. I have him 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.280 at seventy six. Fast time is at seventy one. So 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.280 I don't know if there's gonna be too much that 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.840 we are going to disagree, and I will say not 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.959 a better organization Necessarily, he's leaving San Diego, who should 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.360 be a high win volume team, going to the Giants, 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.439 and we just saw the Giants have a terrible defense 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.679 behind it. Look what happened to Cobb and what we're saying, it's, oh, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.960 it's all the all fit and everything. No, the defense 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.600 let them down. That's why we had this massive change 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.760 in their expected arrays and their actual array, and there's 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.280 no guarantee that this is going to be fixed now 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.400 for Sham and I, So there is risk inherently in that. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.680 Also when it comes to my twelve teamers. And this 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.800 is very very important and why I'm out on cal 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.800 Bradish and debating if I want to be in on 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.760 Sean Ma Andya is early in the season is most 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.120 important when it comes to these final pitcher spots. You 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.040 are not getting this guy and just holding on to 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:22.680 him from the entire year. It is not a best 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.920 ball league that you are in. So if you're getting 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.920 a guy at the end of your drafts like a 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.000 shaw Ma and I like a Cali Bradish, it likely 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.360 means that you're starting in the first week. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.840 If you're not, what are you doing? 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.680 You should be going after someone else who you would 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.600 actually want to get value out of and then also 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.520 have that ceiling. I don't know if I want to 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.680 start Sean and Iya out of the gate. It's a 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.640 tough matchup for him against the Yankees, not necessarily fun one. 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.160 I don't know if we're going to see the slider 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.120 in the change up return all of a sudden to 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.800 what they were from last year. It is a volatile situation. Also, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.840 Sean and I over the years has never been consistent. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.360 He has always been someone that has this lower arm 0:13:55.400 --> 0:14:00.120 angle and that leads to worse command sustainably over a 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.440 full season. So right out of the gate, if I'm 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.320 drafting Sean and I, I'm already throwing myself in a 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.800 ton of risk and I'm not gonna be able to 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.600 kind of wait and see and figure this out. I 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.400 do like taking the chance on the higher blostoing seeing 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.120 that six it does sound nice, But those that are 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.319 drafting him and thinking, oh cool, I've got this really 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.560 good guy down on the Giants, I'd be very cautious 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.080 of that. So being as aggressive around seventy I think 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.720 is actually a little too aggressive, and upon him back 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.160 coast where I have him is understanding the risk involved here. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.600 The problem is you probably could have stopped right when 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.880 you said, yeah, I've got him in the seventies, because 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.440 the consensus has him as SP one thirteen and you 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.720 both have him in the seventies. So to me, although 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.800 you made a lot of good arguments about Sean and 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.400 I's downside, at the end of the day you put 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.280 him in the seventies, right where Fast put him. So 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.120 you kinda there's a light like you set up the 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.200 trap and you decided not even like to put your 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.920 foot in. You just put your head in it, and 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.800 it throws right in there, and it's gonna go to 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.640 Alex Fast again with Sean ma and I and I 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.280 didn't think that was gonna come there. I thought you 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.320 were gonna make a really bold but once you said 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.200 he's not, he's right there in the seventies for me too, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.560 I mean, after that, it was all just you sounded 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.200 like one of those Charlie Brown parents to me, which 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.880 is my wall. That's all I heard. And that was it. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.360 So we're gonna have to move on to the next 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:18.760 player here. It's it's not you mean, yeah, you led 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.200 with the wrong piece, were you? Right away? You cut 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:23.920 the legs out from under your own argum? Then right 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.000 at the beginning, all right, let's go to Ken Waldachuck, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.480 who may or may not have played for the Quebec 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.560 Nord Deeks at one point. I love this name. Waldachuck 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.640 is definitely a hockey player name. Oakland Athletics SP number 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.720 one thirty seven currently right now, as we're looking at 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.480 the board, let's talk about Alex Fast. Let's go. I 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.080 don't know if you make a clean sweep here, but 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.440 the floor is yours. For Waldashock last year thirty four innings, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.680 two and two record, thirty three k's ten walks, a 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.640 four nine three era in a one point two to 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.520 one whip. So what do you seeing Waldershock this year 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:53.320 that had you excited? 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.800 We can or can't curse on this podcast? 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.960 You can't, but you can. You can give it a 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.520 lot of emotion and try and you use you know, 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:01.800 just be clever if you like. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.640 I'll just say that Ken Waldechuck's is what I'll say, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.119 and people can use their imagination. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.400 I mean, ah, very good, very good. Thank you. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.440 Yeah, is what you're saying. He's a real chuck. Yeah, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:15.880 he's all right. There you go. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.360 There's some really intriguing underlying numbers for Walderchuck that has 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.320 me a bit more interested than maybe I even thought 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.240 I should be. The change up and the four seamer 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.680 have really really good stuff numbers. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:25.960 Right. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.040 There are a lot of great mentalities that you can 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.640 take when you're approaching your draft, right, and one of 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.000 the ones that Nick takes with PLV and ENO takes 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.400 with stuff plus. Is when we have a small sample, 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.760 we need to find something that regulates really quickly. Right, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.120 with a small amount of data, Ken Walderchuck with a 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.040 small amount of data that he has theoretically has three 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.680 plus pitches that could be really beneficial for him. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.640