1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back into play and Buck. We're joined now by 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: our friend Andy McCarthy of a National Review and Fox News. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: Over twenty years, he was a assistant US attorney in 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York. Prosecuted a lot of cases. Andy, 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: it's been a while. Happy twenty twenty twenty twenty five. Whoops? 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: How you doing. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, but you're doing even better. Buck, congratulations, thank. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: You, thank you. I'm very excited. And you know what, Andy, 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: I love my little son so much. Even if his 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: favorite sport is baseball, We're gonna get along just great. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't get easier when they get to be 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: twenty two, I can. 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: Tell you twenty two. 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: Wow. 15 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So no, we're very excited for her. Thank you 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: so much for that. All right now, I gotta have 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of a hard turn here, Andy. The 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Letitia James stuff Attorney General. You've seen. I know that 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: there hasn't been a charge brought so far, but she's 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: spoken out about it. Clearly there's smoke, if you will, 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: around the issue. What is your top line on this one? 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think this is gonna go gonna 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: go badly for her? Do we just not know yet. 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I think it's gonna go 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: badly for But what I like most about this story, Buck, 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: is that when I was a young land my father's 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: favorite expression was that people who live in glasshouses shouldn't 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: throw wild parties, and I think I think poor Tis 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: James may end up in that category. It looks to 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: me like, you know, none of the stuff that they're 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: looking at her for as the crime of the century, 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: but you know, she managed to turn something trumpt did 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: that wasn't a crime into a half a billion dollars fiasco. 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: So if I were she, I would strap in because 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: I think they're pretty serious about this. 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: So this is, uh, this is I think interesting for 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: you to analyze because, as you well know, as a prosecutor, 38 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: sometimes you can be convinced that somebody's committed a crime, 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 4: but it's really very difficult to explain that in a coherent, 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: easy to comprehend way for a jury, right, jury's just 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: a gathering of normal people, and sometimes criminal prosecutions require 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: very convoluted explanations. This one is so incredibly simple for 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: a chief legal officer of the State of New York 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 4: to be applying for a mortgage, which the vast majority 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: of Americans will at some point in their lives apply 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: for a mortgage themselves, and to click that she is 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: a resident of the state of Virginia, effectively when she's 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 4: saying that that's our primary residence. And then again these 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: are the allegations to also say that she is married 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 4: to her dad, presumably they have the same last name, 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 4: and they're trying to just get through the process without 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: being noticed. There because a married couple dual income typically 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: lower mortgage rate, primary residence typically lower mortgage rate than 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: an investment income home, many people understand that very much. 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 4: What is her toy fins here? Presuming that those accusations 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 4: are accurate, how in the world can she stay as 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: ag and how can there not be charges broad because again, 58 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: this is a very easy crime to prove. 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Clai, I think that I always want to hear 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: what they say the first time that it comes up publicly, 61 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: And what she's saying, basically is it's politically motivated. 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: That's right. 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: When you're starting to say stuff like that, that means 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: you don't have a defense on the facts, and you're 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: trying to get people to not look at these facts yep. 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: And she knows that because she's made that claim herself 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: with any number of people that she's targeted. Often I 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: think she has in fact targeted people for political reasons. 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: But when people have a good defense on the facts, 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: they usually try to sit to the facts. I think 71 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: the Justice Department hasn't charged yet simply because they have 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: to have some decent period of time go by between 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: the referral and when they bring the charges to make 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: it look like it's not all orchestrated. And I do 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: think if I'm Pam BONDI I do want somebody who's 76 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: experienced at COJ or whatever the US Attorney's offices is 77 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: going to be in to kick the tires on up 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: a little bit because it does as you just described 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: it, it looks like too much of a layup to be true. 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: But I expect them to charge pretty quickly. 81 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Well, this is what I that was. The Next thing 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Andy, is that you were 83 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: somebody prosecuting cases a whole range, everything from like the 84 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: blind shake and really serious stuff but down to more 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, fraud and financial crimes things like that at 86 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: the Southern District. And let me just ask you, I 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: remember you told me once you like, look, if you 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: were guilty, you didn't want me to be your prosecutor. 89 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: If she did this thing, she's pretty like it's easy 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: to prove, right, I mean, this is a slam dunk 91 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: if she if the facts are what we believe them 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: to be, and you were the prosecutor on this case, 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: are you sitting down with her saying you want to 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: take a plea deal? Because trust me, this isn't going 95 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: to go your way. 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: I think I would be waiting for her to come 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: to me because, you know, in the normal situation like 98 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: that fuck you're you're looking for, you're looking at a 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: criminal organization, and there's ways to go up the chain. Here, 100 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: she's the top of the chain, right, I mean, I'd 101 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: be stunned if she had anyone else to hand up 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: that would be helpful. So I think that, you know, 103 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: for Trump wants to nail her. I think, no matter what, 104 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: she might be the repository of in the way of information, 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: and as you just pointed out, like I had a 106 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: lot of complicated cases, but the bread and butter of 107 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: a prosecutor's office and even the US Attorney's office in 108 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: New York were these kinds of pretty simple single or 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, very few transactions, crimes that are pretty linear 110 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: to prove. And the good thing about bringing more against 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: a public official from the prosecutor's standpoint is members of 112 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: the public who get caught up in like you know, 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: niggling regulation and stuff like that, but juries could be 114 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: sympathetic to them because they're kind of in the same 115 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: boat themselves, some of them in their lives. But when 116 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: it's a public official, and particularly one who in a 117 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: very persnickety, picky yearn way, has gone after other people 118 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: and in fact has not only gone after them on 119 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: pretty tendentious interpretations of statutes, but actually I think has stretched. 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: Like the statute she brought against Trump with the consumer 121 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: protection statute, it had never been brought in the context 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: of that case. She's not going to get any sympathy 123 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: from a normal jury. 124 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: Okay, So you bodcasked about time frame. I'm curious what 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: time frame you would think on this. I'm also curious 126 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: Virginia and New York. Would this be something where you 127 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: bring multiple federal charges. In your mind, given that the 128 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: one claim is based in Virginia property the other claim 129 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: based in New York, would you link them. What about 130 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 4: state prosecution that is different than a federal prosecution, because 131 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: I'm sure there's state statutes that could be followed here 132 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 4: kind of time frame and bigger picture. How do you 133 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 4: think federal state interplay might happen here? I mentioned it 134 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: because there may be some state protection because you've got 135 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: a Democrat governor and Democrat based apparatus in New York, 136 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: whereas you've got a Republican governor and a Republican attorney 137 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: general in the state of Virginia. How does that all 138 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: play in in your mind? What would the scope and 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: magnitude look like as you analyze charges being brought and 140 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: when they might be brought? 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I say two things about it. From the federal 142 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: side play. I don't know if they see this as 143 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: the way I do, but having been in a lot 144 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: of these cases that ended up in turf battles, no 145 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: matter whose feelings gets bruised, it's always better for one 146 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: prosecutor's office to take the case. Split Up cases and 147 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: split up investigators are never efficient. So whatever Bondy decides, 148 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: if I were giving or advice, I'd say pick one 149 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: US attorney's office and let them run the whole thing, 150 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: including if there's any prosecutions kind of the district. And 151 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: then as far as the state stuff is concerned, I 152 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: would tell you that New York is a dream for 153 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: federal prosecutors because New York State, unusually in the country, 154 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 2: follows something that's known as equitable double jeopardy rather than 155 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: normal double jeopardy. So in most situations you have dual sovereignty, 156 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: which means the Feds in the states are different sovereign. 157 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: So a federal prosecution doesn't prevent you from being prosecuted 158 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: on pretty much the same crimes by the state. But 159 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: in New York, if the Fed bring an indictment, the 160 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: state is barred from bringing any charges that arise out 161 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: of the transaction that the Sense have charged because the 162 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: New York State concerts constitution and that regard is very 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: defendant friendly. So to the extent they can set up 164 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: shop in New York, they can really call the tune. 165 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: They probably have a little bit more competition from the 166 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: state prosecutors in Virginia perhaps, but you know, mayar Is 167 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: in Virginia is an excellent Yeah. 168 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: Would you if you were advising the DOJ and they 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: may be listening right now, would you say New York 170 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 4: or Virginia. And because I look at the jury pool, 171 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: potentially you would get but you've prosecuted federally in New York, 172 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 4: which do you think would be more likely to if 173 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: you do think there's any difference convict a Democrat official, 174 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: And which of the forums would you. Let's pretend that 175 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: you were the attorney general and ultimately they present this 176 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: and you say, okay, there's evidence. You said you'd like 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: to roll them together, where do you think the preferred 178 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: forum would be? 179 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: I would I would set up shop federally in New 180 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: York in a case like the one you've described, which 181 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: is pretty blatant, I wouldn't be overly worried about whether 182 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 2: in the Southern District of New York you could get 183 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: a prosecution of a plan, you know, a conviction of 184 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: a politician on those kinds of facts. Notwithstanding that it's 185 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's a blue state New York in general. 186 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: But like the Southern District doesn't just pull from Manhattan, 187 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: it pulls from the Bronx, which Trump did pretty good 188 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: in actually in the election, and then from places outside 189 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: the Bronx, you know, counties up and down the Hudson River, 190 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: so the juries there are not as bad for the 191 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: FEDS as you would think for Republican administration. And then 192 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: just because I know him and I know how good 193 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: he is, I'd probably just let Jason Maaris run with 194 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: the state stuff and just combinate with him on timing. 195 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: And I think that would make it very unpleasant for her. 196 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Andy. You know, we we we looked this up before 197 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: because I had that recollection of very prominent state prosecutor 198 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: in Maryland, Maryland, marilynd Marilynn Moseby, and you know, she 199 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: got hit on a mortgage fraud too and was convicted 200 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: and was also convicted of some other you know, fraudulent 201 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: financial activity, but she got twelve months home confinement. I 202 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: bring this up because what do you think. I mean, 203 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: I know it's been a while and the guidelines maybe 204 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: have changed, whatever, But in your day, somebody like this 205 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: who should have known better. Who's a lawyer, they do 206 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: a let's say it's a it's a couple of you know, 207 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: a couple of perjury counts from the mortgage for the 208 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: mortgage fraud. What kind of a sentence are they usually 209 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: looking at? 210 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: Probably in excess of five years, you know, the dollar 211 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: amount would make a big difference, So I think a 212 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: lot would depend on you know, for example, I saw 213 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: that she had one property that was leveraged her like 214 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: almost six hundred thousand dollars. You know, if that turns 215 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: out to be real, like a real six hundred thousand dollars, 216 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: then that's really bad. On the other hand, I read 217 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: someplace elf that two of the mortgages might be fictitious, 218 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: and that she might have just been pretending to get 219 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 2: a better situation with the other one that she was 220 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: borrowing from. I I'm not sure exactly how that works, 221 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: but you know, the dollar amount, to the extent it's real, 222 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: is very significant in driving the sentencing guidelines in a 223 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: fraud case. The other thing you have to bear in mind, 224 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: of course, is that while we don't want to see 225 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: her get cut any breaks, and she is a public official, 226 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: so there's a betrayal of trust here that wouldn't be 227 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: an a normal case, you also don't want to see 228 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: her get treated worse than the average person is. So 229 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: she's a sixty six year old woman who I think 230 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: does not have any criminal record, and obviously it's sentencing 231 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: time that should be something that cuts in her benefit. 232 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: But the big thing for her, or she's a public 233 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: figure and this would just demolish her in terms of 234 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: her legacy, and you know, in a lot of ways, 235 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: that's you know, perhaps more important than whatever punitive sentencing measures. 236 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Do you know? 237 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: And building on that, we're talking to Anny McCarthy. If 238 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: you are the chief law enforcement official as of the 239 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: state of New York, as she would be right now 240 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 4: as attorney general, and you are charged with felony mortgage activities, 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 4: as we have been discussing, she maybe do you immediately 242 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: get removed from office? Does the governor do it? Do 243 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 4: you happen to know off the top of your head 244 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: what the process would then become in New York. 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to play with New York. That's 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: theoretical because it's never been tried before. So like, for example, 247 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: remember with Bragg, we heard a lot of stuff about 248 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: the only official in the state that has the authority 249 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: to remove a district attorney is the governor. And I 250 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: believe that would probably be true on the New York 251 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: constitutional law with respects to the Attorney general. But it's 252 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: it's hard to say that with any confidence because it's 253 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: never been done before. So we'd have to see. And 254 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing that if Hulkle tried to 255 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: do it to get tied up in court for a 256 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: long time. And the other thing is Hulkle was worried 257 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: about her own election prospects. She needs black progressives in 258 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: New York like nobody's business. I mean, she barely won 259 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: the last time around, and I think she would have 260 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: lost had was it Lee Elden. I think right, people 261 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: who should the people who would have otherwise elected Zelden 262 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: were had moved to Florida during COVID, So you know 263 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: that's how she escaped that time. But her polls are 264 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: not great in New York. She's not popular in New York. 265 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: This this, this measure she put in for congestion pricing, 266 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: on the on the traffic stuff is very unpopular. I 267 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: have a hard time thinking she'd she'd fire James if 268 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: she could, because it would be revolting on progressives in 269 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: New York. 270 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: Andy, enjoy the games. This is going to be a 271 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: heck of a story going forward. I wanted to get 272 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: you on because I knew you had particular expertise. I 273 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: think our audience is going to be better informed almost 274 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 4: anybody in the country on this Thank. 275 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: You for the time a man, Thanks guys, Thank you. 276 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: Sandy McCarthy, playoff time. As we just said in the 277 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: NBA and the NHL. Producer Mark greg and Ali All 278 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: at the Rangers game last night, Sam Rosan's final game, 279 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: announcing after forty years. 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Appreciate all 297 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: of you. 298 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: Man. 299 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I love Andy McCarthy if you are out there. 300 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: I cannot imagine with this Letitia James story, which by 301 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 4: the way, is being ignored of course by the Washington 302 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: Post and the New York Times. Can you imagine if 303 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: they had had Trump dead to rights on a simple 304 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 4: mortgage form, or if they had any Republican dead to 305 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: rights like this, it would be on the front page everywhere. 306 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, these charges are coming, and I 307 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: am very confident in Jason Maarz, who is the Attorney 308 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: General of Virginia, to handle this on a state level. 309 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: Clay, you and I, I mean you actually are a 310 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: low licensed practice. But like I could be your you know, 311 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: your paralegal, open and shuck, and this would not be Yeah, okay, 312 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: if the facts are what we believe them to be, 313 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: this is not not a hard thing to do. So 314 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: she's gonna have to They're gonna have to play the 315 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: game out with a hoping they can get a jury 316 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: and a holdout in the jury or some kind of 317 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: a political nullification. 318 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: That's right, That's totally right. And by the way, We're 319 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: going to be joined by Mike Gallagher. We mentioned a 320 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: minute ago Mike Gallagher, former congressman from Wisconsin. 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He's got a 353 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: really interesting piece in the Wall Street Journal, Time for 354 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: accountability on the COVID lab leak cover up. Mike, appreciate 355 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: you making the time for us. 356 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: What's an honor to be with you. 357 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: Let's just jump into it. You got into this in 358 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: your piece. What does accountability look like? What does the 359 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: public need to know? What steps have to be taken 360 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: now when it comes to the lab leak cover up. 361 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I see. I love that there's a picture of Fauci 362 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: touching a little fake virus in your op ed. He's 363 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: the absolute worst. What needs to happen. 364 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: Well, I can't claim credit for the artwork that comes 365 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: with these op eds. I just do the words. But 366 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: it was it was quite nice to me. 367 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 7: It just starts with the basic step of complete declassification. 368 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: Of relevant intelligence. 369 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 7: If you remember, we actually passed the law when I 370 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 7: was in Congress requiring that the Biden administration do just that, 371 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 7: but they they didn't comply with the law. When they 372 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 7: finally did an investigation into the origins of COVID, it 373 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 7: was not serious. What came out was heavily redacted. It 374 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 7: was a regurgitation of the prevailing consensus. And so there's 375 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 7: been no accountability for our own scientific establishment, which was 376 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 7: profoundly corrupted. Our own intelligence community was parroting the corrupted 377 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 7: consensus of the scientists, and even the authors of the 378 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 7: proximal origins article, which spread a lot of this misinformation, 379 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 7: have not been held accountable. If the opposite has happened, 380 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 7: they continue to get awards. Fauci continues to be lauded, 381 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 7: and we have centers named after Fauci, and without that 382 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 7: basic step of accountability, people just aren't going to trust 383 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 7: the government. They're not going to trust the health institutions, 384 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: the scientific institutions, and therefore we're less prepared to prevent 385 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 7: that future pandemic. So I think accountability starts with getting 386 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 7: the information out there, even if it's super embarrassing too. 387 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: The government agencies that allowed tax dollars. 388 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 7: To be fundled, funneled to corrupt nonprofits like the Eco 389 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 7: Health Alliance and wind their way into the hands of 390 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 7: the Muhan Institute of Virology, there's been no accountability thus far. 391 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: That's why I read your piece and I appreciate you 392 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 4: coming on with us. I know how busy you are 393 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: in your new job, and we'll talk about that maybe 394 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: in a moment. But trump for people who do not know, 395 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 4: I encourage you to go to COVID dot gov today 396 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 4: and look at everything that's being laid out there. We're 397 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 4: five years after COVID and Buck and I focus on 398 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 4: this a lot because we're kind of history nerds, and 399 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: one of the good things about time passing is over time, 400 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 4: history I like to think becomes more honest about what 401 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 4: really transpired. Are you optimistic that twenty forty years from 402 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: now will get a more honest version of what happened 403 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: and the failures of this nation when it comes to 404 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: responding to COVID in generations ahead. Or do you think 405 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: the same people that are trying to stop us now 406 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: will continue to fight for generations into the future to 407 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 4: avoid acknowledging how wrong they were. 408 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 7: Well, I would only say I don't think we have twenty, 409 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 7: let alone forty years right. We had a report a 410 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 7: few months ago that in February, researchers that the will 411 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 7: have intevivirology had experimented with a new bat coronavirus that 412 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 7: looked a lot similar to COVID nineteen. What you learn 413 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 7: is you sort of dig into the nature of what 414 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 7: happened in Muhan, but lab accidents more broadly is that 415 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 7: these are actually more common than we realize, and so 416 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 7: part of the push for accountability is based on the 417 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 7: idea that the risks of a pandemic like the one 418 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 7: we went through with COVID nineteen, or with one that 419 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 7: could be far worse if a future virus were just 420 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 7: as pathenogenic or more lethal. Rather, those risks have not 421 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 7: gone down. We haven't learned any lessons, and so we 422 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 7: need accountability on a year timeline, not a twenty year 423 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 7: time which is why I was very glad to see 424 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 7: that President Trump launched his website. I would encourage all 425 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 7: Americans to go to the website right now and really 426 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 7: lays out five basic common sense truths that the government 427 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 7: heretofore is not acknowledged. One, the virus possessed biological characteristics 428 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 7: that you couldn't find in nature. To all the data 429 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 7: suggests it's stemmed from a single introduction into humans. 430 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: Not multiple spillovers like previous pandemics. 431 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 7: Three, That the Wuhan Institute had conducted gain to function 432 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 7: of research at inadequate safety levels, or that the researchers 433 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 7: at the Wuhan it's too fell ill with COVID months 434 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 7: before the virus was allegedly discovered at a web market. 435 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 7: And finally, after all these years, there's no scientific evidence 436 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 7: of a natural origin that has surfaced. That alone has 437 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 7: done more to advance the case of accountability than under 438 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 7: four years of President Joe Biden. 439 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: So we need to press the gas. 440 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 7: We need to hold our own agencies accountable, and again 441 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 7: we need to declassify all the relevant information. 442 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: Mike, I want to do it a little bit here 443 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: and lean into another area of expertise something you're dealing 444 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: with day in and day out now as head of 445 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Defense at Palenteer Technologies. I think one of the lessons 446 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: that anybody paying attention to what's going on over in 447 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine with Russia, uh and and especially if they're looking 448 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: looking ahead at the possibility at some point in the 449 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: future of some kind of hot conflict with China, is 450 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: technology is going to be absolutely critical. We're looking at drones, 451 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: We're looking at a future of telecommunications and high speed 452 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: computing making decisions on the battlefield. That is truly the 453 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: stuff of sci fi from not long ago, and it's 454 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: it's becoming reality now every day. But with that said, 455 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: I know Palenteers involved in the high tech edge of 456 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: things with defense. It wasn't long ago where Google was 457 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: upset there. There was like an uprising at Google over 458 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: the prospect of doing anything that helped the United States 459 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: Pentagon right, like as if Silicon Valley was its own 460 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: little fiefdom that did not actually become or was not 461 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: actually a part of the United States. Do you feel 462 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: like that is changing now? Do you feel like there's 463 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: an understanding that companies that are US based, that employ 464 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: Americans have a role in defense, and that means that 465 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: they should take a patriotic position on Yeah, we will 466 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: work with the United States Pentagon. 467 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: I think it is changing. 468 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 7: I mean Google has actually recently changed its position. And 469 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 7: if you remember at the time the reasons so many 470 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 7: of us got upset when Google abandoned Project maven Is, 471 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 7: they were simultaneously trying to work with China an AI 472 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 7: exactly an AI center in Beijing. It was substantly revealed 473 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 7: there was a project that they did abandon, but a 474 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 7: project they were exploring to center internet search in China. 475 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 7: So the message was, well, We're cool working with a 476 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 7: genocile communist regime, but not with the American military, because 477 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 7: the American military occasionally has to do things like kill 478 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 7: Salafe jihadis in order to keep America safe. And so 479 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 7: into the brief step Talenteer, which was unapologetic in its 480 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 7: belief that America is the greatest country in the history 481 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 7: of the world, that we should have the most lethal 482 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 7: military in the world, and that some folks, be they 483 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 7: terrorists or other bad guys, need to be killed occasionally 484 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 7: and I do think what we're seeing on the battlefield 485 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 7: in Ukraine is forcing people to re examine their previously 486 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 7: held assumptions. 487 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: There's a lot of capital in the venture capital. 488 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 7: Community that is trying to flow into defense technology companies. 489 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 7: And finally, I would say not to talk to my 490 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 7: own book, but when you have a company like Talent 491 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 7: that spent two decades trying to survive the so called 492 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 7: Valley of Death because it isn't easy for a defense 493 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 7: technology company to succeed because the Pentagon can be a 494 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 7: difficult customer, it proves to other companies that are trying 495 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 7: to do the same that it's possible to survive. It's 496 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 7: possible to go public, it's possible to have a mission 497 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 7: focused company, and that also is successful financially, which is 498 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 7: why we founded something called the First Breakfast Initiative, which 499 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 7: is designed to make it easier for non traditional defense 500 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 7: technology companies to survive and thrive because we need more, right, 501 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 7: we can't just have five primes that control everything. We 502 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 7: need the primes to survive. They're always going to be there, 503 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 7: but we need a more diverse ecosystem of defense technology companies. 504 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 7: If we are going to have a hope of deterring 505 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 7: China from invading Taiwan, as well as simultaneously going after 506 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 7: terrorist in the Middle East and the other threat actors. 507 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: We have to deal with. 508 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 4: What you just said I think is important and also 509 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 4: to me connects with your editorial in the Wall Street Journal, 510 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 4: which is about the importance of truth and the commitment 511 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: to fact. When you see so much of what's going 512 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 4: on in America today and around the world, whether it's 513 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 4: celebrating the United Healthcare CEOs killer, whether it is down 514 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: in Frisco, Texas, Carmelo Anthony stabs a seventeen year old 515 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 4: in the heart and raises four hundred thousand dollars. As 516 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: you just mentioned, so many of these elite institutions out 517 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 4: there had people marching in favor of the perpetrators of 518 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 4: October seven. Why are we having such a difference. This 519 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: is a big philosophical question, But why do you think 520 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 4: we're having such a challenge, especially going into the Holy 521 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: week of good and evil recognizing them and being willing 522 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 4: to stand on the side of good. 523 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: Well, I do think, you know, to really take it, 524 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 7: make it biblical and maybe betray my Catholic perspective. I 525 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 7: do think as religion has retreated in terms of its 526 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 7: role in American life, people have sought out other gods, 527 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 7: and in some ways, politics or you know, a political 528 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 7: tribe can become a cult and so kind of. 529 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: A god shaped whole in people's hearts. 530 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 7: And I think correspondingly, there's also this epistemological crisis that 531 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 7: we have in America where people no longer trust any 532 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 7: sources of information, right, Like, we have this very balkanized 533 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 7: media landscape where nobody really knows where to go to 534 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 7: get truth. And the risk of that is people can 535 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 7: kind of opt in to whatever reality they just want 536 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 7: to live in, and it's very hard to have a 537 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 7: coherent conversation based on facts, based on logic. As a 538 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 7: result that being said, you know, as a product of 539 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 7: representing Northeast Wisconsin, where we're gonna host the NFL drafts 540 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 7: here shortly by the way, everybody. 541 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: I will be watching, I'm very excited. 542 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 7: It's a huge, huge thing for Green Bay, Wisconsin, a 543 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 7: huge thing. You know, I think most people are just 544 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 7: common sense, right there was this revolution of common sense 545 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 7: that President Trump talked about. I mean people were afraid 546 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 7: initially to speak their minds, you know, particularly in COVID. 547 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 7: But people started to see what was happening to our 548 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 7: kids with schools being shut down, was happened happened to 549 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 7: our loved ones who were being locked up, and they thought, 550 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 7: this doesn't make any sense. I do have this abiding 551 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 7: faith in the common sense of the American people. Right now, 552 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 7: they're demanding change and reform in the basic institutions of government. 553 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 7: I think Trump is an instrument for that that change. 554 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 7: It can be very disruptive at times, and that's what 555 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 7: the American people want, and so. 556 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: We have to get back to that. 557 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, like we have 558 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 7: to realize, of course America's not perfect, but we're the 559 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 7: good guys, right we are the greatest country in human history. 560 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 7: That comes with a great responsibility. But the rest of 561 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 7: the world is looking to us for leadership, to lead 562 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 7: with courage. If you remember when China took over Hong 563 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 7: Kong and hundreds of thousands of people came out into 564 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 7: the streets to protest, what were they waving. They were 565 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 7: waving American flags, right. They were looking to us as 566 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 7: an example for a free society, and that's something we 567 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 7: all have a duty to maintain. 568 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: Well said, have a good Holy Week and weekend, and 569 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: we'll talk to you again, hopefully soon. Encourage people to 570 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: go check out that editorial in the Wall Street Journal. 571 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, it's Mike Gallagher, now inside of Defense Universe, 572 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: but previously Green Bay, Wisconsin congressman. And yes, the NFL 573 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: draft coming up soon, and he just talked about good 574 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: and evil Holy Week. This should be a joyous time 575 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 4: throughout Israel between the Passover and Easter holidays. Not the 576 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 4: case this year because there is a constant reminder missile 577 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 4: attacks can occur at any given moment. 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Oh a third hour, We're going 618 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: to talk height and dating and a little bit of 619 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: a throwback to a fun anniversary that I think some 620 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: of you will recall. We'll get into all of that. 621 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: But first up, Bill in Bend or again wants away 622 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: And what's up Bill? 623 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: Oh? 624 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 8: Hi, Hi? Yeah, Bill and Bend and the Texas murder 625 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 8: that took place, and the you know, kind of sudden 626 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 8: purchase of a home and new vehicle by the family 627 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 8: you know, and Clay. This is kind of up your 628 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 8: alley because they has to do with law. But in 629 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 8: Texas there's a bankruptcy exemption for the entire value of 630 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 8: a home and the entire value of an auto. So 631 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 8: when the parents of the murdered victim go to have 632 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 8: a wrongful death civil suit and probably will be awarded 633 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 8: a big judgment in that of the the murdered. 634 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: The great point the murder will have. 635 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 8: A nice home and a nice car that can't be touched. 636 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 8: So I think my thought is that they had some 637 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 8: you know, legal advice right up front to start using 638 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 8: some of that money in the charitable account to start 639 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 8: making those of purchases that cannot ever be attached by 640 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 8: a creditor. And I'm just wondering why those funds aren't 641 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,959 Speaker 8: trying to be attached right now. 642 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: That's a that's a great, great, great, a stude point. 643 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I would you know, Clay, in Florida, 644 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: there's a there's a homestead homestead Act, right, and so 645 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: they can't if it is your primary residence in a 646 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: civil judgment, I believe unless there's some specific criminal activity 647 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: involving the home, they cannot take your home. 648 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: Correct. 649 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: If you met a one million dollar home in Florida 650 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: and you lose a judgment and you declare bankruptcy, they 651 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: cannot take your home. 652 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: I remember that becoming an issue with the inrun collapse. 653 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 4: Some of those guys had tens of millions of dollars 654 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 4: in home homes and they are protected and By the way, 655 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: we just had Ken Paxton, who is the Attorney General 656 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 4: of Texas. I think there should be laws. This would 657 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: be my take that if you are raising funds for 658 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 4: legal defense, that none of that money can be used 659 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 4: for anything other than legal defense, because otherwise you're allowing 660 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 4: people to take money and profit offense. And his call, 661 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: it's a fabulous call, because if you go buy a 662 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 4: million dollar home, there will be at some point a 663 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 4: wrongful death lawsuit. That million dollar home would be protected 664 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 4: from being able to be seized, such that that home 665 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 4: could theoretically be purchased and then not able to be 666 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 4: in any way ever taken. And it's being basically profiting 667 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: off of an awful act. So I think in the 668 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 4: state of Texas, Ken Paxton, who was just on with 669 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 4: us earlier this week, the attorney general, I would even 670 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: suggest if you're raising funds marketed directly for legal defense, 671 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 4: that it would be in some way a misallocation and 672 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 4: misappropriation of funds if that money is used for anything 673 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 4: other than legal defense. 674 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: Let's get Steven Pennsylvania. Steve, we got about forty seconds. 675 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: Wanted to get you in. Go ahead. 676 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, just hopefully a good Easter message for everyone. It's 677 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 9: my mom. Was in the hospital. She was dying and 678 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 9: we were all around her and she was non responsive, 679 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 9: and then the priest came in to give her last 680 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 9: write and when he took her hand and said hello, Betty, 681 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 9: she woke up for the first time in a week 682 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 9: and said hello father, and he graved dal I'll marry 683 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 9: with her, and then she died. 684 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate that story. I think it's resonating with many people. 685 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 4: Last Hour, next