1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x Him Triumph. 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom goes missing and now the worst. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Bellamy Gamboa has been the subject um much controversy swirling 4 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: around her disappearance. At this hour, still no indication of 5 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: where is Bellamy Gamboa, but in the last hours stunning 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: developments take place. I Dancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 7 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me, Lee Egan, 8 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics 9 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: expert and author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Kathleen Murphy, 10 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: high profile North Carolina lawyer, and special guests joining me 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: right now. Bellamyte Gambo's sister, Sharise Gamboa, Seris, thank you 12 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: so much for being with us. I know that this 13 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: entire ordeal has been devastating to your family. Serise, tell 14 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: me what led up to Bellamy's disappearance. Let's start with 15 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: how did you discover bellamyte was missing? Well, I live 16 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: here in Orange County, California, and I was in Monday. 17 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean it was a Monday evening, maybe about five 18 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: pm my a Pacific time, and my father was calling 19 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: me and I happened to be walking my my dog. 20 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: I did not bring both of my cellphones with me 21 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: UM that evening. I don't know why, but I came 22 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: back to my apartment and both phones were just blowing 23 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: up with family members calling me asking me my So 24 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: I finally picked up my father's Paul and he asked 25 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: me when the last time I spoke to Bellamy, And 26 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: I said, well, verbally, I mean was like Mother's Day. Sadly, 27 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: because of the way we are social life by texts 28 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: and social media, UM, I told him the last time 29 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: we actually texted each other with Friday, and then Sunday 30 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: we were on Instagram. So you were in touch by 31 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: texting and Instagram, you know. I'm I'm very often the 32 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: same way with my sister. She's um, a college professor, 33 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and she works a lot of hours. She's got two kids. 34 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: I have two children and work, and a lot of 35 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: times the only way we can really talk is by 36 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: texting because she's on a three hour time difference than me. 37 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. So when your father called 38 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: you and asked you was the last time you talked 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: to her, did you have any indication that there was 40 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: anything wrong? The minute he said she could not show 41 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: up to work today and text the two teens. My 42 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: my heart dropped. I think I unfortunately already felt something 43 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: was long. We are getting breaking news regarding the disappearance 44 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: of Bellamy Gamboa, Lee Egan, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 45 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: I want to hear about the day she goes missing. 46 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I think we identified that it was around Sunday, between 47 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: a Sunday and a Monday, and I found very, very 48 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: peculiar the location where her vehicle was found. What can 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: you tell me about that? When I see her vehicle 50 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: was found in an apartment complex around four miles away 51 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: from our residence in Virginia Beach. But the issue is, 52 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: she would never go to this place. She's never been 53 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: there before. There will be no reason for her car 54 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: to be there. And it was parked in a way 55 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: where it was in front of a dumpster where the 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: workers could not get in and into the track, and 57 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't moved for hours and they had to call 58 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: and had it actually towed from there into an impound. Okay, 59 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about missing Bellamy Gamboa, a young and absolutely 60 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: stunning young mom. SuRie's question, do you did the family 61 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: know throughout her relationship with her boyfriend Lamont Johnson. Did 62 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: the family know that he was beating her? Huh? We 63 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: were not given that information directly from her. We did 64 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: hear it through certain family members, and you know, we 65 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: as her family, reached out to her and we would 66 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: encourage her and asked her to leave unhealthy situations. But 67 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: we didn't see her, you know, hear any proof. And 68 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: if we did, of course we would do anything in 69 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: our power to just get her out of there and 70 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: get her out of the situation. But with the twins off, 71 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: it's what she wouldn't bludge because the twins, So you 72 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: knew about it. Did you personally talk to her about 73 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: the domestic abuse? Knowing my sister when she would refer 74 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: to Lamont, there were times when they were out having 75 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: dinner together or just even out going to a movie 76 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: and she would let me know that, but not necessarily 77 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: anything that was about abuse. And um she did, however, 78 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: and for me last May of two seventeen about how 79 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: his family was treating her and how they did um 80 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: take the twins from her? I think for about a month. 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: I've got a question for you, So yes, you did 82 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: or did not know I'm not clear on this that 83 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: she was getting bait in the home. I did not know. Okay, 84 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: did anybody in your family know, not immediate family, but relatives? Yes, 85 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: how did they know? She told them? Okay did they 86 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: tell you? Guys? They didn't, um, not until after the fact. 87 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: And her children, her daughter, um and her and her 88 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: teens actually you know, saw bruises on her, and my 89 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: sister would of course make excuses about them. You know, 90 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: I have worked at the Battered Women's Center for nearly 91 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: ten years as a volunteer on the hotline when I 92 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: would be prosecuting during the day, and I learned so much, 93 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: especially how very often women keep it a secret. But 94 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: I know one person knew about it, and that was 95 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: the operator, the nine one one operator that took this call. Listen, 96 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I love one where the emergency. I'll be okay, I'll 97 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: be all right, We're gonna we're gonna get you some help. 98 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: What happened? Where are you? Thanks? Are you saying you 99 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: were at work? Right? Yeah? Okay? What happened? Who did 100 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: this guy to a fight? That's all? But it's all right. 101 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: They they got into your broken balls? Okay, who got 102 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: into a fight? Who fought with was my twins. So 103 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: it's okay. He beat you. No, he you he fought you, 104 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: you know. He then he touched my face. He but 105 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: he he did hit you. Are you injured? No, I'm okay, okay, 106 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm all right. But that that he did hit you, 107 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean not cell but I'll be okay. Man. That 108 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: was our first fight on and he he said he 109 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: you said he took your child when you're twined together. 110 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: So he so he took two children. Who's not going 111 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: anywhere with them? Wait here, elain, if they have to 112 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: show up, okay, Yeah, they're gonna come and speak with 113 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: you and make sure you're okay. Where did where did 114 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: you damn the bothering me? Okay? Is he sitting in 115 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: the in the house with you? Yes? Okay, okay, can 116 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: you repeat? Can you tell me your address for verification purposes? Okay? 117 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: If there are is there a specific apartment number? No? Okay, 118 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: so what can you just repeat the address for me? Please? 119 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Can you just tell me the address where you're at 120 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: one more time for verification? No, little just get worse 121 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: if you don't want to tell me it again. No, 122 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't want the goods anywhere and then you're gonna 123 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: be looking for him, and then it's just gonna get worse. 124 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: And I already have okay with his kids, and I 125 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: don't mean just I just had them, so I don't 126 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: even want to go through this. It was a great 127 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: question that I asked him. Then he got upset and 128 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: he started to a big fight and he's pretty big, 129 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: So okay, what does he look like to be white? Black? Hispanic, 130 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: asion black and big? Okay? What's you wearing? What? You 131 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: can't call it? They already heard you can't take them? 132 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Where are you going? You can't take them. They're gonna 133 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: make you win them that you can't do that. You're 134 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: not what what's your name? You said your name is? Yeah, okay, 135 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: I don't hear ma'am. They're here. Okay, I'm gonna go 136 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: ahead and speak. Okay. I have to tell you that 137 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: as I was listening to Bellamy crying and sobbing on 138 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: the phone, I physically found myself cringing my body. It's 139 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: just cringing as I listened, and it took me back 140 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: to the days in court when I would have to 141 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: play not when one calls in front of a jury 142 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: and they would hear in the moment, the anguish and 143 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: the suffering that was happening at that moment, and now 144 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Bellamy is gone. You heard her on the phone at 145 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: the time her ex was taking away the twins, the 146 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: infant twins, then infant twins, and the anguish in her voice. 147 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: Nothing was done. Nothing, And now she's gone. Why why 148 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: we're looking for her body? And in my mind, this 149 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: entire scenario, this domino effect of domestic beatings ending in 150 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: what I believe to be her murder, could have been 151 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: stopped with me. Dr Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrist. 152 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: Dr Judah, thank you for being with us in a nutshell. 153 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: And I know that's hard to do. I I read 154 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: about it, I took classes on it, I dealt with 155 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: it on a hotline. But why is it moms don't 156 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: leave when they're being beaten? Do they think it's going 157 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: to get better? Nancy? This that phone call was terrifying. 158 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean when I listened to it, I got chills. 159 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: And and typically from what I understand about domestic violence 160 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: is that it is a cycle. And she sounded terrified. 161 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I was terrified for her, and fair is extremely crippling. 162 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: And when someone is threatening to rip apart a mother 163 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: and her child. That is torture. It may not be 164 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: physically painful, but it is emotionally abusive. And mothers will 165 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: do anything for their children. You've seen the Mama Bear, 166 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: You've seen the Mama Lion. They will do anything to 167 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: stay attached to their children. And she was trying to 168 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: be there for her children. And that's you know, I 169 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: haven't treated her, han't met her. However, I've seen a 170 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: lot of cases like this, and you know, it's very 171 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: tempting to think, well, why didn't she leave, Why didn't 172 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: she just run away? Why did the family do something? 173 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: Because those children are there and it's not as straightforward 174 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: as one might think. So I think that she was 175 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: being abused on both a physical level and an emotional level. 176 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: And one would argue that the emotional abuse that threat 177 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: to tear a part of mother from her twins, from 178 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: her babies, that's more painful than any physical abuse that 179 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: one can suffer well. And also to Joseph Scott Morgan 180 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, death 181 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: investigator and author Joe Scott, she would be covered in bruises, 182 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: her her children saw it or the other she got 183 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: uh teenage children as well. They saw it. They saw 184 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: bruises all over mommy. And you heard her on the 185 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: nine one one. I fail b s. She did not fall. 186 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: He beat her. And now I'm telling you, I don't 187 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: know where her body is, but she's dead and I'm 188 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: telling you he did it. Yeah, I'd agree with you, Nancy. 189 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: It's so calm. Yeah, I agree with the woman has 190 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: been beaten for God only knows how long because she 191 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: didn't tell her family, her children, the teen saw bruises, 192 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: but nobody knew. Now she's quote missing, missing, She's dead, 193 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. And this whole thing could have been stopped 194 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: if she had been convinced to leave that home. Yeah, 195 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: this is not something that just happened in a vacuum, 196 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: just in a moment. I think that it was probably 197 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: going on for some time. Go back to the one call. 198 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: You heard her, uh in fear and terror on that line. 199 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: And you know what was absent in there, Nancy, is 200 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: that in this heated moment. Uh, this guy was not 201 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: backing down, but he wasn't saying anything either. Can you 202 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: imagine him scowling at her across the room, maybe mouthing 203 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: words at her, threatening her, and she's terrified. She wouldn't 204 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: even she she didn't even want to go back and 205 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: give the address where she was he had plan. It'll 206 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: just make it worse. It'll just get worse. Address, It'll 207 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: just get worse. Yeah, and you know he's he's shaking 208 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: proverbial fist in her face. And you don't have to 209 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: do that verbally, do you. You know he can do 210 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: this in nonverbal, nonverbally. And this has been going on 211 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: for a while. She knew what was going on here, 212 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: and it's terrifying. And yeah, I agree with you. I 213 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: think making me sick. Joe Scott with me right now. 214 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, renowned lawyer. Kathleen, just tell me one thing, 215 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: one thing, And this is a truth that I don't 216 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: like the truth many of them, this is one of them. 217 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: Domestic homicides get pled down to me and slaughter. They 218 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: get led down to voluntary or even involuntary manslaughter. The 219 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: person might might get seven years and they'll walk in 220 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: about five. Why is it that so often domestic abuse, 221 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: which I consider to be murder, is plied down and 222 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: the person gets a light sentence. Why is that, Kathleen. 223 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: They're not taking it seriously, and that is a big 224 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: problem because in family court, I have a case that's 225 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: coming up now, and my client is clearly terrified of 226 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: her husband, and you want the court to consider factors 227 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: of domestic violence because this guy was using these building 228 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: against this mother, and that happens every day. It is 229 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the leverage, and so the victim does not participate in 230 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: the process because of these children. And the law needs 231 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: to change and allow parents who are victims of domestic 232 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: violence to keep their children safe and secure. And that 233 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: is not Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina lawyer. Let me tell 234 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: you a little story. I had just managed to fight 235 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: my way out of juvenile which you know, in juvenile 236 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: court there's not juries, you don't have rules of evidence. 237 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of like you try a case with a 238 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: kind of a judge and as psychologist or a therapist. 239 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: Somebody's in there and the parents. It's kind of like 240 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: y'all sit around and you figure out what's the best 241 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: thing for the purp okay because they're a juvenile Okay. 242 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: I got out of that and I made it to 243 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: quote big court, and uh, I had one of my 244 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: first aramic calendar is a hundred and fifty new felonies. 245 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: We're in a big court now and I saw a 246 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: woman from the side of my my eyes walked in 247 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: with crutches. Crutches, Kathleen. She came in with her husband 248 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: begging me to drop charges. She had a broken leg, Kathleen, 249 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: a broken leg. And I did not know what was right. 250 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was wrong. She was begging me 251 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: to drop charges. Kathleen. I couldn't do it. I could 252 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: not do it. I said, listen, I know you want 253 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: to drop charges. And I'll look right at the husband said, 254 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: but I'm the one bringing these charges, not you. So 255 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: it's not your fault. It's my fault. And oh, I'll 256 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: never forget. It's giving me chills on my arms remembering 257 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: it when I hear this nine one one call. Let 258 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: me just get to the point, Lee Egan, Crime Online 259 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. What is the latest in the 260 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: search Rebellamy Gamboa, Well, so far they are searching the 261 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: Apparently the ex boyfriend's name is Lamont Johnson. He told 262 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: them that he put her in the Chesapeake area. He 263 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: didn't say exactly where, just let's be specifically, he did 264 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: not say he quote put her in the Chesapeake area. 265 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what he actually said. That he pushed 266 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: Gamboa down the stairs. Wow, that's eerily reminiscent of her 267 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: nine on one call where she says she fell, pushed 268 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: her down the stairs, quote fell on top of on 269 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: top of her. That is a lie, not fall on 270 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: top of her and then choked her until she died. 271 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Documents that we have just obtained say he then put 272 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: her in a bag and brought her to Chesapeake. Is 273 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: that a little more like what he Saidly now that 274 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: he put her in the bag, like he gently laid 275 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: her there for her to float on her back for 276 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: a while. That is absolutely exactly what he said. I mean, 277 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: I want to hear the truth. I don't want some sugarcoated, 278 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: air brushed version of what happened. Now, what happened? He 279 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: killed her? He exactly what you said. He claims that 280 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: he fell on top of her. I don't see how 281 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: he can just fall on top of her. He began 282 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: strangling her until she died, and then he put her 283 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: in a bag and dumped her body. Lee, I'm not 284 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: angry at you, That's not it. I used to do 285 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: the same thing. You sugarcoat it because it hurts, it 286 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: actually taste bad in your mouth to actually say what 287 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: was done to this beautiful young mom. And now with 288 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: me is Bellamy's sister, Charise Cherie. He has just been 289 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: charged with learning with second degree murder and four counts 290 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Sure, he's 291 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: gambo with me, the sister of Bellamy. Tell me your 292 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: reaction to what you are learning about the hell your 293 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: sister was living through just unending, an underending nightmare. I 294 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: cry for help and I wish that I was in 295 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: Virginia every day now. So do not blame yourself. Don't 296 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: because very often the family, the sister of the parents, 297 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: they don't know because the woman doesn't tell them because 298 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: she's either a shamed or embarrassed doesn't want the children 299 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: to be taken away. And you, you live on the 300 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: other side of the country. There is no way she 301 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: was telling you, and there was no way you could 302 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: have known. It's all about five her body now, enter 303 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: of those children, guys. Uh. Cherie has given me an 304 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: updated tipline if you have any information, if you saw 305 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: anything that number is seven five seven three eight five 306 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: zero one repeat seven five seven three eight five four 307 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: one zero one. We will not rest until her remains 308 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: have been found and this man is behind bars for life. 309 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: You know what, It is so hard to work cold cases. 310 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: I know I have worked them myself, especially when you 311 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: know your co workers and colleagues have already worked the case. 312 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: But there's a former prosecutor named Kelly Siegler who is 313 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: a true champion for justice, and she is on a 314 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: mission across America. What I love about Oxygen's Cold Justice 315 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: program is that Kelly and her team of detectives take 316 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: on real unsolved murder cases and get really ill answers 317 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: for victims and their families. You will love how immersive 318 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: this show is. You feel like you're right there with 319 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: the team writing Shotgun. They are passionate crusaders for justice, 320 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: and I like that That's what makes each case so 321 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: personal to this team. Watch the new season of Coal 322 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: Justice Saturday, six pm, Eastern five Central on Oxygen. You 323 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: can't give up Hope. I mean, I know if if 324 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: it were me that we're missing Molly wouldn't give up Hope. Young, healthy, beautiful, 325 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: a college student loved by her family and boyfriend, the 326 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: world in front of her missing. Where is Molly Tibbitts. 327 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: The search is on. I mean, I see, Grace. This 328 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us now. 329 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: It had been put out there that Molly vanished while jogging, 330 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: and I picked the evidence apart along with her awesome 331 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: investigative team, and it didn't seem right to me. It 332 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: was not conclusive that she was taken while jogging. I 333 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: could not establish the timeline, and we all know that's 334 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: where you start with any investigation. The timeline was off 335 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: in my mind, it didn't make sense. And now we 336 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: are hearing the very latest is that the missing University 337 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: of Iowa student, just twenty years old, actually returned to 338 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house after the jog and she sent the 339 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: boyfriend a final snapchat before she mysteriously disappears seemingly into 340 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: thin air. And this is according to the FBI. Now, 341 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: this is making sense based on the facts that we know. 342 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: Repeat breaking news right now. According to the FBI, they 343 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: are telling us Molly did not go missing from a jog, 344 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: and that's a fatal flaw. That's a fatal flaw. Because 345 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: for days now we've been taking that as truth and 346 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: that has been the basis of the investigation. That's not 347 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: what happened. She was back in the boyfriend's home. Now, 348 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: before you leap to the idea was the boyfriend, which 349 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: I did too, because statistically that's true, it was not 350 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: the boyfriend. The boyfriend is cleared. He was working a 351 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: couple of hours away in Dubuque. He wasn't there. It's 352 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: not him. So that leads me with thinking of a 353 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: stranger on stranger attack. Mmmmm mmmmm. Let's just go straight 354 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: out to Lee Egan. With me is Lee Egan, Crime 355 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: online dot Com, investigative reporter for Now New York, Psychologist 356 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, judge and advocate, founder of child time watch 357 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: dot com, Ashley Willcott, and cop turned p I Vincent Hill. 358 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Special guests joining me right now, relative and close friend 359 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: confidante of Molly Morgan column Lee Hold on a moment, 360 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: I want to go to Morgan Morgan. First of all, 361 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: please pass on to the family about all the prayers 362 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: that are being sent up to bring Molly home. Number one. 363 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Number two, when did you learn Molly was missing? I 364 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: learned that she was missing, uh Thursday July. I had 365 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: gone to a movie with my cousin Joe and my 366 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: cousin Jake, who is Molly's older brother, And I had 367 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: received the text message from my stepsister who works with UM. 368 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: One of her best friends works with Molly, and she 369 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: had sent me a text prior to the movie starting 370 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: asking if I had heard from Molly that day because 371 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: she didn't show up her work. She works at a 372 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: a day camp for children in Grinnell, Iowa. And I 373 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: did think that was odd. It's out of character for 374 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: her to simply not show up for work without a 375 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: phone call or a reason why. You know, that's interesting, Morgan, 376 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: and you may be able to show some wine on 377 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: this for me, because I was told that the day 378 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: before she went missing, the work day before she went missing, 379 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: the counselors at the camp or the daycare had been 380 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: handed out some red T shirts they were to wear 381 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: the next day they were going on a field trip, 382 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: I think, and Molly's red T shirt could not be found. 383 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, we have looked at the house 384 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: where she was staying, where her boyfriend lives, and then 385 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: we had also checked her house UM that her mom 386 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: owns where she lives, you know, with her siblings, because 387 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: she kind of bounces back and forth to both places. 388 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: And we checked in the vehicle that she shares with 389 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: her brother, and we cannot find See. The reason I 390 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: care about the shirt, Morgan guys with me is relative 391 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: and confidante, close friend of Molly tibbitts now missing, and 392 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what our families going through. I 393 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: don't even want to put this out there if one 394 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: of my twins was missing, I just as I always say, 395 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: just lay me on the railroad tracks, because I don't 396 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: even want to live without them. I know her family 397 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: is devastated. Right now, there's a chance we can bring 398 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Molly home. And I'm focusing on this red T shirt 399 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: for a reason because it goes back to the timeline. 400 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: She was supposed to wear that the following morning, if 401 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: she was if she disappeared the night before, it should 402 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: still be somewhere in her closet, laid out to where 403 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: the next day, folded up in a stack in the bathroom, 404 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: somewhere in her backpack in her car. We can't find it. 405 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: That says to me that she may have been alive 406 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: the following more and had put it on to go 407 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to work when something went sideways. That's why I care 408 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: about her red tshirt? Morgan. Is this making any sense 409 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: at all what I'm saying? Yeah, it does. H You know, 410 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: my family and I have rattled our brains trying to 411 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: think of what the timeline could be, what could have 412 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: possibly happened. And you know, for the longest time we 413 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: had told ourselves, oh, that's out of the norm for Molly, 414 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: she wouldn't do anything like that. And we had to 415 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: stop thinking that way because, you know, we we just 416 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: need to be open to different possibilities of what could 417 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: have happened. And it's difficult, but but I understand the 418 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: red shirt. You mean she wouldn't just disappear on her own. 419 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Right? Absolutely, we did not 420 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: think that she would have ever done something like that, 421 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: so that that really didn't even cress our minds. We 422 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: were just more so thinking, you know, what routes did 423 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: she run that evening? Who saw her, you know, with 424 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: the house unloft, just various things like that. Let me 425 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: ask you this. We know now that she did jog 426 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: that evening and apparently came back to the boyfriend's house 427 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: where she was dog sitting. Do I have that much right, right, Okay, 428 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: do we have any idea what time that was she 429 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: came back to the house. I'm not sure. Um, she 430 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: usually does a pretty lengthy run, so my guess is 431 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: it would have taken her possibly over a half hour 432 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: to maybe forty minutes. But she the kind of person 433 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: like to run in the evening. I used to love 434 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: to run at night after work, you know, just before 435 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: it was getting darker, after it was dark then, you know, 436 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: once I had the twins, I have to get up 437 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, before they're awake and do 438 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: whatever I'm gonna do, because once they're awake, it sits, 439 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, full on with them. So was she a 440 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: nighttime runner or an evening runner? Morgan? Yes, I would say, um, 441 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: right before the sun was about to set, which here 442 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: for us, but you know, right around that six seven 443 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: o'clock time frame that she likes to go. Um, and 444 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: then typically she'll eat supper after she's done having her run. Yeah. Yeah, 445 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: nobody wants to run after they ate, not that i've anyway. 446 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. The reason I'm asking 447 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: him back on the timeline. I hate to be a harpie, 448 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to figure this thing out. So if 449 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: she runs in the evening, was there any evidence that 450 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: she had had dinner supper that night? I drive through, receipt, 451 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: use of an a T m uh, evidence she cooked 452 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: in the home, anything like that, show me she had 453 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: dinner after she ran. No, not that we're aware of. Um. 454 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: The interesting comment that I have to make about that, 455 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: she had actually been in texting conversation with my aunt Laura, 456 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: who's Molly's mother, and Molly had shared with my aunt 457 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: that she had planned to come over her supper that night, 458 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: and she didn't end up coming over for supper, which 459 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: concerned me. But my aunt had said that that's not 460 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: out of the norm for Molly to say she's going 461 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: to come over for supper and then not come over 462 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: for supper. Um. So as far as did she eat anything, 463 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: what did she eat? I'm not sure yea. And the 464 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: only reason I asked is if there's evidence that she had, 465 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, made a sandwich or cooked something and there 466 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: was trash in the trash coming she was the one 467 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: living there while the boyfriend was out of town, And 468 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. Don't don't laugh at me, Vincent Hill. 469 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: You remember very often they still do it in the tabloids, 470 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, the inquirer of the Globe, the Star. They'll 471 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: go through celebrities trash and they'll like lay it all 472 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: out and then take a picture of it, and they'll 473 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: say something like, oh, look, you know Liz Taylor had 474 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: six buckets of ice cream just two days. Things like that. 475 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: All right, So what I'm saying is, but then fast forward. 476 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: I remember me. Anytimes you see on TV, you look 477 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: at you catch and window, there's the FBI picking through 478 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: your trash. That's not a good thing. It's for a 479 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: reason because it shows you something. I wonder if the 480 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: cops looked in the trash to see did she make 481 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: a Link cuisine or Anny's bowl or whatever, because that's 482 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: helping me with my timeline. Vincent, Nancy, You're absolutely right. 483 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, when I was working in narcotics, we would 484 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: do what was known as a trash bull to look 485 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: for things that led to the belief that there was 486 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: a narcotics So when you're looking at a missing person, 487 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: you do want to look at these things like, hey, 488 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: did she recently eat? Is there a receipt? Is there 489 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: a box from a frozen meal? Is there addition that sink. 490 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: You want to look at all of these things to 491 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: establish some type of timeline. And if there was no 492 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: forced entry inside that home, which we haven't heard any window, 493 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: that makes you question big time. Was it someone she knew? 494 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Was the door unlocked, that she answered the door? Maybe 495 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: she ordered the pizza and we don't know the answer. 496 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: There so many questions. Did she typically use her cell phone, Morgan? 497 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: Or would she? Would she have used a landline? She 498 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: would have used her cell phone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 499 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: The other day, Morgan, my twins are tim the landline 500 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: rang and they said, what's that? As the children, that's 501 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: what we call a landline, Okay, I mean we used 502 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: it so rarely they didn't even know what it was. 503 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: So Morgan, once you you're telling me you found out 504 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: Molly was missing the day she didn't show up for 505 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: work at the daycare. What happened next? Right? So, my 506 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: cousins and I had gone to a movie on Thursday afternoon, 507 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: and my cousin Jake, who was sitting next to me 508 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: in the theater, kept getting phone calls, and I mean 509 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: he received probably eight phone calls, and finally he said 510 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: to me, I'm going to go step outside of the theater. 511 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: My phone won't stop bringing I have this call from 512 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: a number I don't recognize, and he was outside of 513 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the theater for a majority of the movie, and it 514 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: it was really strange. UM. I remember telling my cousin Joe, 515 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: who was also there with us, that I was going 516 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: to get out my cellphone and send a text to 517 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: Jake and just ask him if everything was okay. And 518 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: when I did pull out my cellphone to check, I 519 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: noticed that I had a miscall from my dad, who's 520 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: Molly's uncle, my brother who's Molly's cousin, my cousin Scott, 521 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: who is Molly's brother, um, you know, and and from 522 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: Molly's mother, And that was definitely concerning. I knew right 523 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: away that something was not right, um. And it wasn't 524 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: really until we got home from our movie that reality 525 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: kind of set in. Um. The cops had been called. 526 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: They were at the scene of where she had gone missing, 527 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: and it just it was terrifying. Um. I it's hard 528 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: to describe that feeling when you know that something's not 529 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: right and you're seeing all of the pieces kind of 530 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: come together and you know there's there's somebody that I 531 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: love that's missing, and I have no idea. You know, 532 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: it's frustrating and it's scary. Morgan. How are her parents? 533 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: How's her family doing? They're hanging in there. Um, you know, 534 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: they're just taking things one day at a time. UM 535 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: My aunt who's Molly's mother, is being incredibly strong and 536 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: she is remaining incredibly hopeful, and you know, like I said, 537 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: just taking things one day at a time. Obviously we're Morgan, 538 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, has Molly ever gone missing before? 539 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: Has she just gone away for the weekend and not 540 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: told anybody. No, Molly is a very social creature, and 541 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: she is constantly in communication with her friends, or her family, 542 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: or her boyfriend, and someone someone always knows where she 543 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: is most like, I mean, she because she's social. She's 544 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: usually with people constantly. She's not the type of person 545 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: that um is lone often. I mean, if she is, 546 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: it's when she's going for a run or you know, 547 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: in the case of Wednesday evening, when she was dog 548 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: sitting and no one else was there. But but typically 549 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: she's always surrounded by friends, or she's with her boyfriend, 550 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: or she's with family. She's very, very social. Is it true, 551 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Morgan that she when she ran she liked to run 552 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: through corn fields, because I've never heard of that. No, 553 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: that is not true. I'm so glad you told me 554 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: that I've never heard of anybody running through corn fields 555 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: because you know, there's corn snakes. Uh, there's just no 556 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm glad you dispel that myth. That never made sense 557 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: to me having grown up around cornfields. Yeah, that that 558 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: would be incredibly difficult to run through a cornfield. Hey, 559 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: nanswy can I can I interject? Really? Quit jump in? Hey, 560 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: So I do have a question for Morgan since she 561 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: was dog sitting, and this could be very crucial. You know, 562 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: smaller dogs can't hold their urge to go to the 563 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: restroom as much as bigger dogs. So what kind of 564 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: dogs when she actually dogs it, because that could be 565 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: crucial if there was something inside the house like dog urine, 566 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: dog feces, that could be crucial to the timeline. Right. Um, 567 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: they are larger sized dogs, I know. I think one 568 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: of them is a yellow lab, so it's a good 569 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: sized dog, and the other one, I'm not sure on 570 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: the breed, but I do know that it's a larger 571 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: sized dog. We've learned the dogs are kept in the basement. 572 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: Typically that's where they stay. Were the dogs back in 573 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: the basement, Morgan, because that would tell me she had 574 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: gotten back and put him in the basement. I was 575 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: told that they were in the basement. Yes, And I 576 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: know it's so like we're splitting hairs, but at this point, 577 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: we're trying so hard to help find Molly. Guys, if 578 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: you have information, there is a financial reward. The tip 579 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: lines four or five to one one one will be 580 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: that with Morgan, friends and relative of Molly, we're looking 581 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: desperately to bring home Molly. Tip is listening to what 582 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: Molly's mother says to ABC. My son Scott, he gave 583 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: me a call about five fift pm. Same mom, did 584 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: you know Molly didn't go to work? At which point 585 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: I said, I will be right home. She's in big trouble, 586 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: just making me do TV interviews because she was very 587 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: comfortable going on stage and you know I'm not, but 588 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, Okay, if this is 589 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: what it takes to get the word out there and 590 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: get Molly home, I'll do it. Because you can't give 591 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: up Hope. I mean, I know if if it were 592 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: me that we're missing, Ally, wouldn't give up hope. It's 593 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: just been um excruciating, my numbing, you know, all the 594 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: range of emotions. You won't see me giving up hope. 595 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: There's that's that's not an option. There's really no clues. 596 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: There's a d c I agent who said she's been 597 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: in the business for twenty three years and only one 598 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: other case where she had so few leads, so I 599 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: can't speculate. I'm just hoping for the best. The desperate 600 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: search for Molly tip. It's beautiful, young, healthy and love 601 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: about to move into her first apartment. She goes jogging, 602 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: gets back, snapchats her boyfriend who's out of town, and 603 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: she's never heard from again. I Nancy Grace, this is 604 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Please help us bring home Molly tipline eight 605 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: hundred war five to one one one one to Lee 606 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: Egan with me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. We 607 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: are now learning that the timeline we first heard was 608 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: all wrong. This is significant. She was not snatched while 609 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: she was out jogging. Okay, she got back to the 610 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend's home and snapchat at him before she mysteriously disappears. 611 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: Lee Egan, who actually call nine one one to report 612 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: her missing, who was that that was Molly's mother. She 613 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: called right after her son. Molly's brother told her that 614 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: Molly had missed work that day, Lee Agan, what more 615 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: do we know? Right now? We have a new information 616 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: that authorities have determined that she did log into her 617 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: laptop on the evening of Wednesday U to work on 618 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: some kind of school project. They're saying it's late in 619 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: the evening, but they're not giving an exact time because 620 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: they said it's private to the investigation. And then we 621 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: also know another neighbor came forward and said that he 622 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: too saw her walking down the road in their neighborhood. Well, 623 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: he said she was walking nonchalantly, as if she had 624 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: no care in the world. I bet that was after 625 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: she went running, because you know, with me, is Morgan column, 626 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: Molly's a friend, confident relative. If she were running, that's something. 627 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: But then when you finish your run, many people were 628 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: like walk a few minutes as they're walking back to 629 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: their destination or they're cooling down. That tells me that's 630 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: what she was doing right then when he saw her 631 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: just walking nonchalantly. But Nancy, this is Ashley. It all 632 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: depends on the chronological time frame of this, right like 633 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,879 Speaker 1: we've talked about in the chronology. So yes, that might 634 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: have been it, but I have to play devil's advocate 635 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm really hopeful that she's okay because at 636 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: this point we don't have enough evidence and thank god, 637 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: law enforcements looking at both sides of this, we don't 638 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: know if she may have even though it's out of character, 639 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: even though she's never done it. How don't I and 640 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: said I'm gonna go on vacation or I'm gonna go 641 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: take off and do this, And maybe it's irresponsible, but 642 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: but at her age we act irresponsibly sometimes or did 643 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: something really happen to her? So these time frames are 644 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: so imperative because we really don't know which of these 645 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: two things happened. You know, I'm glad you brought that up. 646 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: Ash with me as she Willcott judge, lawyer, founder of 647 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: child Crime watch dot com with me, Kieren Stark, Lee Egan, 648 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill and Morgan column Morgan, let's talk about what 649 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: as she brought up. Did she just take a powder 650 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: or did she go away? Where was her? Do we 651 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: know where her cell phone is? Does she have her 652 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: cell phone with her? We presume that she had her 653 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: cellphone with her. UM. One thing that you know we 654 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: had talked about as well. UM, her boyfriend's brother and 655 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: his fiancee are actually to be getting married later this 656 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: week down in the Dominican Republic, and Molly had her 657 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: passport for that. She was extremely sited to take that trip. 658 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: She'd been talking about it for months. Um, she loves 659 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: her job, she's currently taking a college class, and you know, 660 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: we think we just don't think that she would have 661 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: often gone because of those Also because I think she 662 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: would feel extremely guilty having known how much pain and 663 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: hurt we've been experiencing since she's been gone. UM. You know, 664 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: we did run that scenario through our heads very briefly 665 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: and it was dismissed. We we don't think that she 666 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: would have run off like that. Let's talk about it. 667 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: I think you're right from what I know of Molly, 668 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: what I've gleaned about Molly. But let's put it to rest. 669 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: Where was her driver's license and credit cards? Where was 670 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: that her wallet? What I've been told was at the 671 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: house where she was last seen. Okay, I find it 672 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: very difficult to believe that's what he's going to take off. 673 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: Karen Stark Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologist, without their 674 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: I D cell phone, says to me that maybe she 675 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: grabbed it on her way out. I don't know what 676 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: the cell phone means to me yet, but I do 677 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: know if I were leaving to go to just Vanish, 678 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: I would need at least an I D at least 679 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: an I D just my driver's license. But she left 680 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: her wallet behind, driver's license, a t M, credit cards, everything. Yes, yes, 681 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: I agree, Nancy, that doesn't make a lot of sense 682 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: to me. Cell phone. We hardly go anywhere without our 683 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: cell phones these days, so even if she took a 684 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,479 Speaker 1: little walk, she might take her cell phone. But any 685 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: place important she would know to take her while at 686 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, just to get extra cash, and and had 687 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: her a t M. So I don't I don't see 688 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: her just going out, decide that she's going to take 689 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: a trip somewhere and leaving something that important behind. This 690 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: also brings up the brother the longtime boyfriend Dalton Jack 691 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: is not a suspect um. We know that the snapchat 692 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: from her around ten pm the night she goes missing 693 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,479 Speaker 1: appears to be taken indoors. All right, So the job 694 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: was done. Morgan do you understand that the snapchat was 695 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 1: sent around t MPM or he opened it around ten pm? 696 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, it was sent around ten pm. UM. 697 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: Just based on what I've heard, it sounds like her 698 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: boyfriend Dalton was getting pretty sleepy, and I believe that 699 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: he had fallen asleep and then opened the snapchat the 700 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: next morning. But the sense time would have been around ten, 701 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,479 Speaker 1: So that in my mind, places her alive at ten 702 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: unless somebody is smart enough to break into her snapchat 703 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: and send the photo to the boyfriend, which I doubt. 704 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: So I've got our lives. At ten o'clock, everything seems 705 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: to be normal because she's sending a snapchat. What in 706 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: the hay happened after ten o'clock? Two? Lee Egan Crime 707 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Lee that snapchat maybe central 708 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: to this case. What do we know about the snapchat? Yeah, 709 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: it absolutely would, but we're getting a bit of different information. 710 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: Police reported that Dalton opened it at ten pm, and 711 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: they're still not clear when it was sent unless there 712 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: was something new that developed since then. That was the 713 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: last we heard. Okay, So that tells me I can't 714 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: rely on that for my timeline. Okay, we are on 715 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: the search for Molly Tibbitt's, last seen visually out jogging. 716 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: She was a University Iowa student looking forward to a 717 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,320 Speaker 1: big trip to the Dominican Republic for a destination wedding. 718 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend's brother getting married. Where was the boyfriend's brother, 719 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: Morgan the night she goes missing? He was out of town. 720 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: But I do know that he was out of town somewhere. 721 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: So he's out of town. Um did he travel? What 722 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: was his job? To my knowledge? I think he recently 723 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: opened his own construction company. Um, And I think that 724 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: that it could have possibly been that he was out 725 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,320 Speaker 1: of town for his his work. You're right, he was 726 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: out of town. He was out of town with his 727 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: girlfriend somewhere, all right. So the reason I was asking 728 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: is to rule him out as well, because this is 729 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: a home shared by the boyfriend and the boyfriend's brother. 730 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: We are on the search for Molly Tibbitts. Take a 731 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: listen to this. Uh, what you were hearing is the boyfriend, 732 00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: Dalton Jack discussing Molly with wo I t V. This 733 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: is not like her. I figured, you know, i'd speak 734 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: to her in that hour or so. I came home 735 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: as soon as her mom said that she called the 736 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: hospital and she wasn't there. The last time the twenty 737 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,240 Speaker 1: year old saw Molly was on Wednesday at ten pm 738 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: when he opened a snapchat from her. It was just 739 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: a selfie with the caption and I don't remember what 740 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: the caption said, but it looked like she was inside. 741 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: One of her co workers called me, said, Molly had 742 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: not called in to work that day and she hadn't 743 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: showed up. And then I looked at the messages and 744 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: she hadn't opened or read any of them. So I 745 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: started getting in contact with her friends and her family, saying, hey, 746 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: have you seen her? Have you heard from her? And 747 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: everybody came up with the same thing. No, I haven't 748 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: seen her since yesterday. If this is her running off, 749 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: this is just nobody was just seen coming. Nobody in 750 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,760 Speaker 1: Nobody in the world, not her family, not me. Nobody 751 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: would have ever guessed that she would just take off 752 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: and not tell anybody. Take a listen to what Molly's 753 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: mother says to ABC. She was very much so looking 754 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: forward to this um vacations she and Dalton were going 755 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: to take to the Dominican Republic first part of August. 756 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: She had her first passports to Lee Egan. Crime online 757 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Lee tell me how police and 758 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: the FBI are using Molly's fitbit. What they're trying to 759 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: do is get GPS information off of her fitbit, and 760 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: they're also they're trying to figure out her heart rate 761 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: at the time of the time she goes missing, and 762 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: if there was any major activity during that time to 763 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: show any distress. You know what's interesting to Morgan column 764 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: Molly's close relative, is we're not hearing anything about a 765 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: struggle within the home. We're not hearing anything about a 766 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: forced entry, trying to figure out who Molly would have 767 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: let into the home or with no struggle her cell 768 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: phone missing. I agree with her mom, it's hard to 769 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: figure out which way to go. Morgan, what do you 770 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: have to say to everyone listening now? I would just 771 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,280 Speaker 1: encourage everybody to stay vigilant and if they see anything, 772 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: please call it in. We've been told that there's no 773 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: such thing as a tip too small, because you never 774 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 1: know what piece of information could help to bring Molly home. 775 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: Morgan tell me about Molly. I mean, I see the 776 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: beautiful photo of her and the big smile. What what 777 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 1: is Molly like, Yeah, the smile matches the personality completely. 778 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: Molly is very caring. She's helpful, she's funny, she's smart, 779 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: she loves to help, um, anybody that needs help. She's 780 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: got a great laugh. She's just somebody that if you 781 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: didn't know her, you would want to be friends with her, 782 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,399 Speaker 1: you would want to spend time with her, because she's 783 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: such a light. You know, she's just radiates positivity and 784 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: she's she's amazing. What was she studying, Morgan Psychology And um, 785 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting, she actually had to take a foreign language 786 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: course at her at the University of Iowa, and she 787 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: actually chose sign language, which I think is is really cool. So, 788 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: but that's not her main course of study. She was 789 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: studying psychology. She is studying psychology. The very latest. Right now, 790 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: the missing University of Iowa student just twenty years old, 791 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 1: breaking now, was not kidnapped while on a jog. She 792 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: returned to the boyfriend's house after the jog, sending him 793 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: a final snapchat before she mysteriously seemingly disappears off the 794 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,800 Speaker 1: face of the earth. Right now, we know the FBI 795 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: has taken command of the investigation and they are focusing 796 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: on her digital footprint, including data they are obtaining from 797 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: her fitbit tracker. There has been an extensive volunteer search 798 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: effort all around her home, out into cornfields where she 799 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: may have run. There is a reward right now for 800 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: information on Molly's disappearance. Boyfriend and boyfriend's brother ruled out. 801 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: That's very rare. You hear that up front. They have 802 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: been ruled out. Where is Molly? Tibbets tipline eight four 803 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: or five to one one one one, Take a listen 804 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 1: to Molly's mother if it were meither were missing, Molly 805 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't give up hope. Um, that's not a thought. You 806 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: won't see me giving up hope. There's that's that's not 807 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: an option. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend