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Speaker 2: By November of nineteen seventy, FBI Director j Edgar Hoover

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Speaker 2: had been serving in his role for forty six years.

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Speaker 2: He had amassed so much power in the halls of Washington,

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Speaker 2: the bureaus. And by that I mean his priorities. His

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Speaker 2: In the nineteen seventy hearing, testifying before two senators in

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Speaker 2: Coast Conspiracy to Save lives. This is a militant group

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Speaker 2: of Catholic priests and nuns, he said, who have manifested

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Speaker 2: This group, he alleged, plans to blow up underground electrical

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Speaker 2: he closed, concocting a scheme to kidnap a highly placed

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Speaker 2: government official. Hoover had arranged for reporters to wait outside

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Speaker 2: the closed door testimony and immediately distributed copies of his report.

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Speaker 2: It was the first time in FBI history that the

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Speaker 2: had not been charged. There comes a point in any

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Speaker 2: protracted conflict, and each side starts to try and prove

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Speaker 2: had declared war on the Catholic left. I'm Brendan Patrick Hughes.

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Speaker 2: This is Divine Intervention, Chapter seven, The Fight of the Century.

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Speaker 3: So anyways, I was housebound with using Chin.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile in Boston, Marianne, a divorced welfare mother of two,

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Speaker 2: and Patrick, a Roman Catholic freaking priest. We're dealing with

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Speaker 4: You know the kind of whisker burn stuff you get.

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Speaker 2: I can confirm this. US Irish guys have some very

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Speaker 2: sharp stubble. I've seen some shit.

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Speaker 3: I remember.

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Speaker 4: The next night he came over to my apartment. I

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Speaker 4: And he was mortified because like, if I went to

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Speaker 2: Right, Remember hickeys, the scandal of physical evidence. After two

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Speaker 2: of your friends in high school hooked up over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: conducting his affairs like the Roman Catholic priest he still

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Speaker 3: The next night, he came over around ten o'clock. The

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Speaker 4: Dead and.

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Speaker 3: I opened the door and we just looked at each other.

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Speaker 3: Neither of us could believe what had happened. But it

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Speaker 5: Total, like the giving over of ourselves to each other

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Speaker 2: We can't know what kind of conversation Patrick was having

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Speaker 7: You know, did you ever pick up on any vibe?

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Speaker 6: I didn't. I did not, But I'm not that astute

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Speaker 8: But for him, he was still a practicing priest and

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Speaker 8: Still that element, you see, that he wanted so much

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Speaker 2: If Patrick were in the market for a strong rationalization

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Speaker 2: Patrick might have told himself that the church's real concern

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Speaker 9: Patrick. We have to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Tosey back from New.

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Speaker 9: Jersey, because you are afraid to love.

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Speaker 3: I am alone.

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Speaker 9: We schedule our days so that we can say to

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Speaker 9: we're all guilty.

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Speaker 3: How can people be so hard?

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Speaker 2: Sarah must have known things were different when she returned.

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Speaker 2: The tricycles had come to depend on was now a bicycle.

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Speaker 9: Romance and the revolution. Don't mix. See, there's no time

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Speaker 9: in your life. There's no time for that in your life.

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Speaker 2: And then when Marianne and Sarah's landlord on Florida Street

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Speaker 9: You kind of had to be there to believe it.

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Speaker 9: Wake up to god, damn it, you're all evicted, goddamn kids.

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Speaker 9: Goddamn mister Collins solo and attack on the front door.

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Speaker 9: The sound of ripping and falling paper. This isn't happening.

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Speaker 9: Goddamn goddamn outraged Chrissy, mister Collins, don't you rip down

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Speaker 9: my mommy's door? Mama, where's my pone? Our sentiments exactly?

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Speaker 9: Maybe we can move to the center.

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Speaker 2: Unsettled and on the move once more, Sarah picked up

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Speaker 2: her pieces and refocused her energy away from her disintegrating

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Speaker 2: part in a draft rate. Jay Edgar Hoover's testimony before

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Speaker 2: the Appropriations Committee was only the first punch of a

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice delivered a preliminary indictment of Catholic left

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Speaker 2: movement leaders in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. FBI agents fanned out with

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Speaker 2: arrested eight, including Ted Glick and Phil Berrigan, for conspiracy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we were arrested, taken to the county jail.

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Speaker 2: Telling them they were no longer fit to live in society,

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Speaker 11: Harrisburg were people charged with planning to kidnap Henry Kissinger

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Speaker 11: there was in the crowd, an FBI plant, an informant,

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Speaker 11: these sessions in letters to Philip Beregon, who was in prison,

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Speaker 11: and the letters were intercepted by the government.

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Speaker 2: Remember Boyd Douglas, the incarcerated man who helped plan the

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Speaker 2: Flower City conspiracy with Ted Glick and spirited messages to

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Speaker 2: phil Berrigan on the inside, Well, he was showing every

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Speaker 2: one of those letters to the FBI.

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Speaker 11: Those letters were the basis of the charges brought against

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Speaker 11: eight people, including the Berrigans, charges of conspiracy to kidnap

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Speaker 11: Henry Kissinger. They weren't going to kidnap Henry Kissinger. They

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Speaker 11: were going to make a citizens arrest. That's the way

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Speaker 11: they talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Vover's indictment was an important experiment. He was looking for

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Speaker 2: a new playbook for crushing descent in the US, and

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Speaker 2: he felt like if this grand jury could drain the

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Speaker 2: but immunize the government to unrest. And those in the

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Speaker 2: movement now knew they had to respond, and they began

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Speaker 2: trading blows with the most powerful man in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: In Boston. Sarah's wish for a draft board to raid

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Speaker 2: was granted when Paul Cooming returned triumphantly to the gang

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Speaker 2: after only three weeks in jail following his sanctuary. Now

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Speaker 4: And there was some talk locally here about doing a

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Speaker 4: the Summerville draft board.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, Paul, Marianne and a few others planned a little

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Speaker 2: They chose a draft board in Powderhouse Square Park, right

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can remember casing it and saying, my god,

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Speaker 7: I've never seen such a simple building. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: Sarah, Paul and some of the others would sneak in

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Speaker 4: I mean it would never go inside a draft board

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Speaker 3: So I would support in many, many other ways.

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Speaker 2: Marianne's job was to watch for passing police cars and

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Speaker 7: Happened, flashing her lights twice or something like that in

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Speaker 2: They were lest we forget the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

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Speaker 4: So I was in a car, I had my walkie talkie,

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Speaker 4: some radio Cebe channel, and this couple are having Cebe

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Speaker 8: She stap there.

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Speaker 5: I didn't dare shut it off because I well, I

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Speaker 2: Well, Marianne became more and more engrossed in a steamy

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Speaker 4: They got in through some windows in the back and

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Speaker 4: they went right to the files, got all the files.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they were in and out and no time

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Speaker 2: Back in Dorchester, Sarah and Marianne took their cue from

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Speaker 4: And we're driving to burn the files and these car

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Speaker 12: Like I was like, wait, they can just come and

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Speaker 2: The war between the Catholic Left and the FBI was

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Speaker 13: Know, Sarah Tosi's brother was an FBI agent, and most

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Speaker 9: I'm still reacting from seeing my brother. It is so strange.

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Speaker 2: She wrote letters back to Marianne and Patrick from Jersey.

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Speaker 9: I think my FBI brother is coming to visit next week.

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Speaker 9: I'm dying to find out what he knows about Barrigan,

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Speaker 9: but I don't think he'll tell me. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: I haven't thought of anything yet.

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Speaker 2: This cultural divide among siblings was very common in households

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Speaker 9: Last time he was here, he threw my friends out

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Speaker 4: Siblings three or five years older than you were completely

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Speaker 2: So Sarah, the newly minted draft board raider and her

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Speaker 2: Paul cooming very much a person of interest with the FBI,

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Speaker 7: Man and her brother came back. I'm realizing that he

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Speaker 7: So he taught me how to make omelets and nice

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Speaker 3: The FBI were everywhere.

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Speaker 2: At this point, Hoover's FBI had surrounded the Catholic left.

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Speaker 14: So yes, the FBI kept tabs on me and so

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Speaker 13: I kept a record, and I think I still have

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Speaker 4: I started to be followed very heavily by the FBI,

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Speaker 4: and we knew it, but you kind of don't believe it.

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Speaker 3: In a certain way.

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Speaker 10: I assume that my telephones were tapped. See what here,

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Speaker 7: They encouraged people to believe in their own paranoia. So

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Speaker 15: Now I'm being watched closely. I mean, I have FBI

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Speaker 10: Every week.

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Speaker 2: If you were in the movement, FBI agents would follow

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Speaker 2: They would visit your parents twice a week, sometimes for

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Speaker 2: of scandal. The FBI even followed Marianne's sister in law's

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Speaker 2: Hoover's testimony to the Appropriations Committee had granted him a

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Speaker 2: thousand new agents whose sole job was to crush descent,

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you anything about it, because I'm still

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Speaker 7: didn't do it, So I can't tell you anything about

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Speaker 7: that break in. That was an agreement made a long

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Speaker 7: time ago that I haven't officially heard it. It has been

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Speaker 7: then they'd have a smaller group of people to look

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Speaker 6: And I have.

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Speaker 7: Never been told officially otherwise, so I stick to that story.

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Speaker 7: It was a great action.

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Speaker 2: I recorded this interview with Paul Cooming in August of

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. And for those of you keeping

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Speaker 2: score at home, yes, this show has been in production

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Speaker 2: for a very long time. Media Pennsylvania media action subroup

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Speaker 16: That Media rate Media Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 17: The Media Pennsylvania experience was a really interesting Media.

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Speaker 14: Pennsylvania, very dramatic breaking in Media Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 17: Oh, it's always been a secret. I have a little

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Speaker 17: suspicion who did it, you know, It was always like

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Speaker 2: But then in twenty thirteen, Betty Medsger of The Washington

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Speaker 2: Her book finally revealed the identities of the people who

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Speaker 2: pulled off the craziest break in perhaps in American history.

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Speaker 2: Media Pennsylvania was where the resistance broke into an FBI office.

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Speaker 18: And here's where the Catholic left does its counter attack

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Speaker 2: Historian Charles M.

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Speaker 18: Konez, now, they're getting to a point where they're suppressing

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Speaker 18: of democracy in this country. That's what authoritatian redictatorial powers do.

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Speaker 18: It's the first thing they do is they crushed descent.

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Speaker 18: Then they can do whatever the hell they want. That's

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Speaker 2: With Hoover loaded for bear, it was the movement's turn

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Speaker 19: Everybody who was active in the movement knew that the

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Speaker 2: This is Keith forsythe.

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Speaker 19: They weren't out there trying to put the mafia in jail.

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Speaker 19: They were spending their time hassling movement people. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: Keith was radicalized against the government's suppression of dissent when

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Speaker 2: he heard an audio recording of the massacre at Jackson State,

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Speaker 2: He dropped out of college to devote himself full time

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Speaker 19: He called me up on the phone and said, you

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Speaker 2: When they met, the professor shared his dismay over Hoover's

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Speaker 2: undemocratic crushing of dissent and asked Keith if he'd consider

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Speaker 19: If we can get evidence of this and publicize it

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Speaker 19: at least to some extent.

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Speaker 2: In Flower City, ted Glick and his crew had hoped

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Speaker 2: to just vandalize the FBI office that happened to be

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Speaker 2: to steal all the files inside top secret documents that

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Speaker 2: addresses of would be inductees.

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Speaker 19: This was going to be different. For one thing, the

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Speaker 19: a draft board. At least in those days, you didn't

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Speaker 19: and we're going to try to find a time when

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Speaker 2: And they called themselves the Citizens Commission to investigate the FBI.

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Speaker 19: Now we knew that if we were successful, they would

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Speaker 2: The FBI Field office in downtown Media was on the

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Speaker 2: did was a walk by of the FBI office door.

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00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: He went to Goodwill to buy a cheap suit so

443
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: his hippie clothes didn't make him conspicuous. Then he casually

444
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: strolled down the second floor corridor past the bureau office.

445
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 19: My verdict was, it doesn't get any better than this

446
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 19: because you walk into the building off the street, there's

447
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 19: no restrictions. The doors are open all the time because

448
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 19: there's people living in the building. You walk up to

449
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 19: the second floor, take a left, and there's the front

450
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 19: door to the FBI office.

451
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: One look at the lock on the door, and Keith

452
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: knew it was possible, and.

453
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 19: They got one lock on the door. That's the same

454
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 19: as the lock on my front door. It'll take me

455
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 19: two minutes to get through that door. That's how it

456
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 19: looked at that.

457
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: Point, so a group of nine Raiders, handpicked by the

458
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: professor for their discretion, began meeting regularly.

459
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 19: I'm going to say probably at least a couple months,

460
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 19: because we would meet periodically, you know, to go over

461
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 19: maps and talk about casing observations.

462
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: Keith Forsyth took a correspondence course on locksmithing and spent

463
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: those months practicing and getting his time down so that

464
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: when he picked the lock in a public hallway he

465
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: could do it quickly. Then, to get a sense of

466
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: the inside of the FBI office, the Raiders posed as

467
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: a Swarthmore student writing an article about opportunities for women

468
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: in the bureau. She went into the office and interviewed

469
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: an agent, writing notes with gloves on and clocking the environment.

470
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: No locks on the filing cabinets, no alarms on the

471
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: doors or windows. As she was leaving, she pretended to

472
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: be confused about the exit and stumbled deeper into the office,

473
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: catching a glimpse of its alcove spaces plan in place.

474
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: The Raiders chose the night of March eighth, nineteen seventy

475
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: one because that was the night of the boxing match

476
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: between Joe Fraser and Muhammad Ali, a fight that had

477
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: basically become a referendum on the Vietnam War in popular culture,

478
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: dubbed the Fight of the Century. Literally everyone in the

479
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: world would be tuning in and no one would notice

480
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: a group of business people entering the building at one

481
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: Veteran Square in Media, Pennsylvania.

482
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 19: You know, I got a haircut. I was wearing a

483
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 19: white shirt and a tie, and a sport coat and

484
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 19: a trench coat and some nice leather driving gloves, so

485
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 19: I wouldn't leave any fingerprints.

486
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: On fight night, they staged themselves at a nearby holiday inn.

487
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 10: Somebody rented a motel room, and that's where that's where

488
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 10: he stayed. Sort of all met together and then came

489
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 10: and went as our assignments dictated.

490
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: That's Bob Williamson. Like Keith Forsyth, Bob had also dropped

491
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 2: out of college to oppose the war full time. He

492
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: was known back then to his friends as weed X.

493
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: Bob had already done some raids with Paul Cooming and

494
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: Anne Walsh. He joined them in a draft board raid

495
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: in Delaware, where, just like in Philly, they hid in

496
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: janitor's closets. Bob was a card.

497
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 10: I felt nervous, so I figured everybody else might feel

498
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 10: nervous too. So I decided that I was going to

499
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 10: tell a.

500
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: Joke and tonight he was part of the inside team

501
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: that would go in and retrieve the files.

502
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 10: Keith goes in first because he's got to get the

503
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 10: door open.

504
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 2: Keith walked into the building with his lock picking tools

505
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: and a crowbar up his sleeve.

506
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 19: And I go into the building. I go up to

507
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 19: the door. I go over to the lock and just

508
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 19: about had a heart attack because there was a second

509
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 19: lock added to the door that hadn't been there two

510
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 19: weeks earlier. It was not a standard lock, it was

511
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 19: a high security lock.

512
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: It was one of those circular keyholes like on a

513
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: Kryptonite bike lock.

514
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 19: So I'm like, what the hell has going on here?

515
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 19: All of a sudden, on the night of the action,

516
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 19: there's a brand new lock on the front door, and

517
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 19: I'm trying to figure out how this happened. Is this

518
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 19: a coincidence, which generally I don't believe in. Is there

519
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 19: some kind of a leak and they knew we were coming?

520
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 19: But if they knew we were coming, why would they

521
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 19: put a lock on the door. Why wouldn't they just

522
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 19: put twenty agents inside? And wait for us to come inside.

523
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 19: Nothing made sense.

524
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: Keith went back to the holiday inn with bad news

525
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: for the crew.

526
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 19: Said I can't pick this lock tonight.

527
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 10: He held it together and just had the presence of mind

528
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 10: to say, Okay, I'm gonna need to talk to people

529
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 10: and see what planned he's going to because plant ain't

530
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 10: gonna work.

531
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 19: And so people were saying, well, like what can we

532
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 19: do to salvage it? And somebody said what about the

533
00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 19: second door?

534
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: When the other raider had gone into the office incognito

535
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: as a Swarthmore student, she had noticed a second door

536
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: to the corridor was blocked with a massive filing cabinet.

537
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 19: And I'm like, oh yeah, the second door. Sure enough,

538
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 19: there was just one standard lock on that.

539
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 10: And i gotta say, man, I take my hat off.

540
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 10: He has stones.

541
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 19: So I picked that in no time. But then there

542
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 19: was a dead bolt on the other side. So meanwhile,

543
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 19: I'm hearing the building manager underneath me listening to the radio.

544
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 19: He's like, his living room is right underneath me. So

545
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 19: I'm like, how much noise can I make before he

546
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 19: hears me? So figured, well, we'll find out.

547
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: He could hear the building supervisor's radio downstairs and he

548
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: waited for a swell of crowd sounds during the fight.

549
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 19: So I put the pride bar in there and broke

550
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 19: the dead bolt off and tried to do it as

551
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 19: fast as possible so it didn't like make a creaking sound,

552
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 19: It just went bang. And so now I could open

553
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 19: the door a whole inch. And then and there was

554
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 19: a giant filing cabinet full of papers up against the

555
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 19: door behind that, so I had to move that out

556
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 19: of the way. And the office floor was carpeted, and

557
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 19: this giant thing was super top heavy, so if he

558
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 19: started to push the doorknob just started to tip it.

559
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 19: The building manager was directly below us the room, right

560
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 19: underneath where I was, so I couldn't drop that thing down.

561
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 19: So I went back to the car, got the jackpost

562
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 19: out of the trunk, stuffed it up underneath my trench

563
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 19: coat so you couldn't see it, walk back into the

564
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 19: building using the Pride boy, I finally got the door

565
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 19: open enough that I could at least get the tip

566
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 19: of the jackpost in there, and then started slowly moving

567
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 19: that file cabinet a fraction of an inch at a time.

568
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: And don't forget Keith was doing all this in a

569
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: public hallway in an apartment building.

570
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 19: I'm laying down on my back on the floor of

571
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 19: the hallway with my legs braced against one side of

572
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 19: the hall a hall pulling on this four foot steel

573
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 19: pole with two hands, but nobody came into the hallway.

574
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 19: Finally got it open enough I could squeeze in so that,

575
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 19: you know, it would be easy for people to get

576
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 19: in and out. And then I taped the lock, you know,

577
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 19: put a piece of tape over the latch so wouldn't relatch.

578
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 19: Pushed the door to and left, and went out and

579
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 19: called the motel room and told them that it was

580
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 19: a go, that it was ready for the inside team.

581
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 10: I was the flashlight guy that night. It was all

582
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 10: taped up with electrical tape except for a pinhole in

583
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 10: the center.

584
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Bob Williamson and three others pulled up to the building

585
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: and their business attire and filed in carrying empty suitcases.

586
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: They pushed the second door open and shimmy past the

587
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: filing cabinet, turned.

588
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 10: The flashlight on to shine it on the file drawer

589
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 10: so that they could see what they were looking at.

590
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 10: But other than that, there were no lights in the office.

591
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 10: While we were working. Everybody goes to their file, or

592
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 10: isn't They just started opening them and going through them.

593
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 10: I think most of the files that were in there

594
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 10: were files that we glanced at quickly and thought we

595
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 10: should take so as quickly as we could, we just

596
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 10: loaded the suitcases up and got out of there. I

597
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 10: don't think we were in there for more than twenty minutes.

598
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Keith was parked outside waiting for the inside team to

599
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: file out of the building.

600
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 19: And they come out carrying these suitcases and load them

601
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 19: into the back of the car.

602
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. The County courthouse also sits on

603
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: Veteran Square, just like the office building. And there was

604
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: a security guard pacing in front of the courthouse.

605
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 19: And the security guard in the County Courthouse is standing

606
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 19: there watching us through the glass door.

607
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: On his watch. Four business people filed into the building

608
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: carrying four suitcases and filed out twenty minutes later.

609
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 19: We didn't stand out, you know, we're a bunch of

610
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 19: white people wearing suits in downtown media across from the courthouse.

611
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 19: And then what could be more.

612
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: Normal sweating bullets. They drove the files to a remote

613
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: farmhouse owned by sympathetic Quakers, they popped champagne and got

614
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: to work sorting the resistance had hit back at Hoover's FBI.

615
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 10: I think the total number of documents that came out

616
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 10: of that burglary was about a thousand documents.

617
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 19: The first thing we did was to sort everything into

618
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 19: two piles, the political pile and the criminal pile. Very

619
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 19: roughly speaking, the piles were of the same size. So basically,

620
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 19: from that sample, you could say the FBI was spending

621
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 19: half of their time spying on Americans who weren't doing

622
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 19: anything illegal and trying to prevent them from speaking out.

623
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: And it really didn't take them long to find some

624
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: seriously fudged up shizz, like the FBI harassing a boy

625
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: Scout troop in Oregon for becoming pen pals with some

626
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: Russian kids, or agents keeping tabs on black student unions

627
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: on college campuses across the United States, or an FBI

628
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: agent starting rumors of infidelity about an activist couple and

629
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: successfully breaking them up, or the FBI intending to enhance

630
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: paranoia and activist groups and encouraging the sense that there

631
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: was an agent behind every mailbox. But the piece de

632
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: resistance was the revelation of Hoover's co Intel Pro.

633
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 14: These people made off with huge amounts of documents, FBI documents.

634
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 14: It was an amazing you might say, a bit of revenge.

635
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: Historian Howard Zinn.

636
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 14: The FBI had been collecting information on Americans. You know,

637
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 14: now information was being collected about the FBI, and now

638
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 14: what the FBI was up to was revealed. And what

639
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 14: was revealed was that the FBI had broken the law.

640
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 14: They were revealing a secret program of the government of

641
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 14: the FBI called co intel pro the counter intelligence. This program,

642
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 14: which involved break ins into people's homes and offices, secret

643
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 14: letters sent to members of the anti war movement, though

644
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 14: supposedly anonymous, letters trying to stir up conflict among different

645
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 14: parts of the anti war movement.

646
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: The Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI then did something

647
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: rather ingenious. They took their stolen documents and placed them

648
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: in pre addressed envelopes. Then they put those envelopes inside

649
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: of larger envelopes and mailed them to accomplices around the country.

650
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: That way, when the pre addressed documents finally arrived in

651
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: the hands of intended congressmen and press outlets, they appeared

652
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: postmarked from around the country. Several Congressmen immediately turned the

653
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: files back over to the FBI. The New York Times

654
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: and the LA Times immediately did so as well, but

655
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: The Washington Post decided it was too important. The FBI

656
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: was conducting illegal surveillance of American citizens based on their

657
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: political opinion, and as turn of the century Supreme Court

658
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: Justice Lewis Brandeis once said, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

659
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: The co Intel propapers, as they came to be called,

660
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: created a massive scandal for the previously revered Federal Bureau

661
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: and its director.

662
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 14: The FBI had sent a letter, sort anonymous letter to

663
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 14: Martin Luther King suggesting that he commits suicide. These papers

664
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 14: that were stolen from the FBI in the break in, well,

665
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 14: they became published very great embarrashment to the FBI. If

666
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 14: I think by the had the romantic idea of how

667
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 14: smart the FBI is, they learned differently.

668
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 7: JF. Hoover was pretty insulted that some of us somehow

669
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 7: got it away with that and released it to the press.

670
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: The papers also confirmed to the Catholic anti war movement that,

671
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: just as they'd suspected, the FBI was trying to perpetuate

672
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: a kind of psychological warfare to discourage ordinary citizens from

673
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: proto testing the war.

674
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 7: But that they encouraged that paranoia, and that they had infarmas,

675
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 7: and that the farmers encouraged that kind of paranoia to

676
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 7: think that there, you know, the wire the phones were

677
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: tapped all over the place, and some were some were.

678
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 17: They were programmed to think that they could like intimidate us.

679
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 17: Bob Kanaane, they just look at an ordinary citizens who

680
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 17: objected to the government, you know, and it was really

681
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 17: very disappointing.

682
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 19: God, they were a mean loss the media.

683
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania raid would lead to the first congressional investigation of

684
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: US intelligence agencies in United States history.

685
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 15: Hoover was apoplectic for the first time cookie these anti

686
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 15: war people who he always you know, was after we

687
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 15: had the most popular support.

688
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: Now Hoover was now more motivated than ever to grind

689
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: the Catholic left into dust under the heel of his

690
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: wing tipped shoe. The raiders in media, Bob Williamson, Keith Forsyth,

691
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: and six of the Americans agreed to never speak of

692
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: it again.

693
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 10: We had agreed because of the efforts that the FBI

694
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 10: was making to try and find out who had done

695
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 10: it that we just wouldn't. We wouldn't meet again as

696
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 10: a group.

697
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: And they remained anonymous for over forty years.

698
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 18: After media the Harrisburg trial came crashing in or at

699
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 18: least all the pre trial stuff.

700
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: Hoover was now out for blood. The following month, in

701
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: April of nineteen seventy one, Paul Cooming, Cookie Ridolphe, and

702
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: Anne Walsh were among one hundred witnesses subpoenaed to appear

703
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: before Hoover's grand jury in Harrisburg, the one that initially

704
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: was set up to investigate the bombing of the steam

705
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: tunnels and Kissinger's would be citizens' arrest, but since those

706
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: were weak cases to begin with, based merely on brainstorming sessions,

707
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: in the wake of media the grand jury hearing had

708
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: evolved into what many movement lawyers felt was a fishing expedition.

709
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: The government was hoping that subpoena testimony would yield some

710
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: more offenses and defendants would be caught up in a

711
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: giant dragnet that would spell the end of the movement

712
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: and maybe all movements.

713
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 16: They really wanted to send us to prison. It was

714
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 16: becoming too much of a popular movement. Too many people

715
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 16: were doing this, so they took one hundred people. They

716
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 16: called one hundred people to a grand jury in Harrisburg.

717
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 15: I had been subpeded to the grand jury for the

718
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 15: Harrisburg case.

719
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: Cookie the indictment came.

720
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 15: Out naming those I think it was eight people of Harrisburg.

721
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 15: Eight and then there was a list of other people

722
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 15: who they considered unindicted co conspirators.

723
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: The first witness called was Paul Koming. Paul, Smiling, refused

724
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: to testify. Instead, he passed around a statement in which

725
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: he vowed non cooperation with any branch of the US

726
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: government prior to a war crimes tribunal holding it accountable

727
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: for its inhumane use of power to crush the population

728
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: of Vietnam. The government then offered Paul immunity, and he

729
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: still refused, so they promptly indicted him with criminal contempt.

730
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: When Anne Walsh was called, she sat in the courtroom

731
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: during a recess and pulled out four photographs from her

732
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: pocketbook and stared at them. The pictures were of North

733
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: Vietnamese civilians killed in Hanoi by American bombers. Then she

734
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: stood up marched over to the chief prosecutor of the

735
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: DOJ held the photos up to his face and said,

736
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: this is what the movement is all about. One of

737
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: the pictures was of a twenty eight year old pregnant

738
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: woman sprawled on the ground. She said, this woman is

739
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: the same age I am, only she is dead. Her

740
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: eyes filled up as she continued. She said, I want

741
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: to talk to you as a human being, one human

742
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: being to another. Anne and the prosecutor were two of

743
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: the only people in the courtroom during this recess. Finally,

744
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: the chief prosecutor responded saying, I don't have any special

745
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: insights into the problems of the war, of the ghetto

746
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: of the country, but we have laws and we have

747
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: to uphold them, and we have to keep dissent in

748
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: legal limits. Finally, he said to her, you hold the

749
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: key to the jail. All you have to do is testify,

750
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: to tell the truth. She shook her head. I can't,

751
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: she said, my conscience won't allow me. Shortly after this exchange,

752
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: it was Anne's turn to take the stand, and.

753
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 16: They showed us pictures of virtually are really good friends

754
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 16: and saying do you know this person? And you had

755
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 16: to keep saying I refuse to answer this on the

756
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 16: grounds that it may incriminate me, which made you look

757
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 16: like a coward or something. It put you in a

758
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 16: really weird position.

759
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: Hoover's DOJ had dragged one hundred witnesses to Central PA

760
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: and the hopes that just one would crack.

761
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 16: But a one hundred people did not break set. They

762
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 16: refused to betray their friends.

763
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: Everyone, and I mean everyone in the whole Catholic left

764
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 2: pled the fifth without talking to each other beforehand, because

765
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: Catholics can be kind of like a pail of fish hooks.

766
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: You can't pick up one without it being in a

767
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: tangled mess with a bunch of others. With this crowd

768
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: of do gooders and hell raisers, the DOJ was going

769
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: to have its hands full. The government, however, was not

770
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: quite done with Anne Walsh.

771
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 16: And out of the hundred, they chose a fifty five

772
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 16: year old non named sister Joe Ziegan, who was president

773
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 16: of Marymount College, and me to say, if you don't

774
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 16: tell us, we're going to send you to jail for

775
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 16: an inja term in time.

776
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: So you know that's what I was prepared to do.

777
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 16: Anyway, it sounded very much like the convent in some ways,

778
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 16: you know, like a red brick building was grass, isolated,

779
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 16: boring in some ways, you know.

780
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: And started living out her days as if she was

781
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: on borrowed time.

782
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 16: So I kept going to lunch, and my last lunch

783
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 16: was always like a tune or fish sandwich in a

784
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 16: vanilla frapp. Every time I was in court, I was ready.

785
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 16: I had given my clothes away, my only possessions.

786
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: I said goodbye.

787
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: I said goodbye.

788
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 16: I mean a million times I said goodbye to people

789
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 16: because I thought I was okay now that I had

790
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 16: to go pay the dues right here.

791
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: An Walsh's lawyer launched an appeal, which started winding its

792
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: way through the legal system. While the threat of arrest

793
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: hung over her head like a sword of Damocles. And

794
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: as prison gets you thinking long term, Ann began to

795
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: wonder about the rest of her life, and her thoughts

796
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: landed on her old father, confessor from the convent, Bob

797
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Canane from the Milwaukee fourteen.

798
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: So at the time Bob was just coming back from Milwaukee.

799
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 16: Weren't you or you just back? Are you just back

800
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 16: from prison? It's the most sweetly embarrassing.

801
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: Tale thing to tell.

802
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 16: Once we started working together, because I really really attracted

803
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 16: to him and thought it was like really possible that.

804
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 19: He might like me back.

805
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: A mutual friend who lived with Bob on a commune

806
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: outside Boston pulled Anne aside one day and.

807
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 16: She said, of course, Bob Kane's in love with you.

808
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 16: You know, he talks about you all the time. So

809
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 16: I said, well, I think I'm going to write a letter. Okay,

810
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 16: now all our friends are friends in common now, so

811
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 16: that if he doesn't love.

812
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: Me back, I'm going to be like a fool.

813
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 16: So I'm going to have to move to some English

814
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 16: speaking island because I won't be here to be able

815
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 16: to be in his company.

816
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: I'll feel like a fool. So I wrote the letter.

817
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: But this was a complicated thing for Ann to do.

818
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: The future in the past or all at war inside

819
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: a progressive Catholic's heart.

820
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 16: But I was a traditional to the core girl, right,

821
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 16: and a girl didn't say you do you want to date?

822
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 16: Let alone?

823
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: Do you want to spend the rest of your life

824
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: with me?

825
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 16: Because I got a big, wicked crush on you, So

826
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 16: it was like, really, Chancy.

827
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 17: It pushed me, I must say, to make a decision

828
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 17: that point. I mean I had thought about it. If

829
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 17: I hadn't really kind of made a decise. So I

830
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 17: sat down for a good afternoon and just thought about it,

831
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 17: thought about what it would mean, everything decided, Yeah, I

832
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 17: think I'd go along with that.

833
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: But we're talking about a priest and a next nun.

834
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: So when it came to romance, they're both kind of rookies.

835
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 7: You know.

836
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 16: And it was like a little tough going because we

837
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 16: didn't eat that now how to do relationships like, we

838
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 16: didn't have a big dating history.

839
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Perhaps Anne was doomed to prison, but she and Bob

840
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: were in love and headed into an uncertain future together.

841
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: Jim Carroll was among many people who traveled to Harrisburg

842
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: during this time. He went to support Anne Walsh, whom

843
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: he worked with at BU, and to participate in some demonstrations.

844
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 11: The Harrisburg trial was an occasion of great celebrations of

845
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 11: resistance and many many people showing up in Harrisburg to

846
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 11: protest the government intrusions against the peace movement.

847
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: Jim's father was a general in the Air Force and

848
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: his brother was in the FBI, so he also carried

849
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: the extra burden of scandalizing his family with his anti

850
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: war activities.

851
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 11: And I was in a crowd at one point and

852
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 11: this foul smelling vagrant fellow sidled up to me and

853
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 11: he whispered, I won't tell on you if you don't

854
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 11: tell on me. And it was my brother who's there undercover,

855
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 11: watching all of us, and he didn't tell on me,

856
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 11: and I didn't tell on him until years later.

857
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: Of course, Sarah Tosi had a fed brother, Jim Carroll

858
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: had a fed brother. You'd be forgiven for mistaking this

859
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: for one big Catholic planet of lawbreakers and lawmen driving

860
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: each other crazy. And now Hoover was about to make

861
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: good on his wish to publicly destroy the Catholic Left.

862
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: Despite the uncooperative witnesses, the Harrisburg Grand Jury delivered a

863
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: new superseding indictment of seven movement leaders, including Phil Berrigan.

864
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: A massive trial was scheduled for the following February. A

865
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: giant mobilization and defense committee would soon begin, which would

866
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: inevitably drain the movement of all of its resources and energy.

867
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: Hoover had zeroed in on exactly how to crush unrest.

868
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: This would be the movement's waterloo. The Catholic Left, as

869
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: they knew it was dead.

870
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 7: Until the call came from Believe Cookie Ridolphie she said,

871
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 7: look at we're doing on board down here in Camaden,

872
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 7: New Jersey, and we need some help.

873
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: Hoover hadn't counted on the indomitable spirit of the Catholic resistance,

874
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: A big pail of fish hooks with a lot of sticktuitiveness.

875
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 7: And I said, sure, I can do it. And she

876
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 7: asked if we could bring any other out. So Sarahtosi

877
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 7: was there.

878
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 6: We drove down and.

879
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Hidden in an East Coast federal building was a draft board,

880
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: an FBI office, and an office of military intelligence. Camden,

881
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: New Jersey, just over the bridge from Philly, was a

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Speaker 2: perfect place for a showdown with j Edgar Hoover, Paul Cooming,

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Speaker 2: Sarah Toosi, Cookie Radolphie, Leeann Mosha, Keith Forsyth, Bob Williamson,

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Speaker 2: and about twenty two others would descend on Camden for

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Speaker 2: the biggest raid they would ever attempt to pull. But

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Speaker 2: this time they were walking into a trap. They had

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Speaker 2: a plant.

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Speaker 10: You know about this, don't you.

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Speaker 13: He came to one or two meetings and decided this

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Speaker 13: didn't sit right with him, so he went immediately to

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Speaker 13: the FBI to tell us what we were doing, and

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Speaker 13: they said, great.

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Speaker 2: Hang in there. Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It's produced by Wonder Media Network and it was created

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Speaker 2: and written by me, your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our

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Speaker 2: outlandishly nimble producers are Carmen Borca Correo, Abby Delk, Palomo Moreno, Jimenez,

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Speaker 2: Grace Lynch, and myself. Our editor is the inestimable Grace Lynch.

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Speaker 2: Scoring production from Adrian Bain for Wonder Media Network. Our

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Speaker 2: executive producers are Emily Rudder and Jenny Kaplan for iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producer is Christina Everett. The late Sarah Tosi

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Speaker 2: was voiced by Carly Pope. Our theme and end credit

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Speaker 2: music was composed and performed by Perfect Human Tanya Donnelly

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Speaker 2: and mastered by the also perfect Ben Aarons. This is

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Speaker 2: Brendan Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to Divine Intervention.