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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Website Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Graham Russell Leversa Griham. How'd you end

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Speaker 1: up living in Park City?

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting story. We were playing at the MGM.

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Speaker 2: We were doing two weekends in Vegas. This was in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, actually in nineteen ninety and normally I

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Speaker 2: would have gone home because I was living in Malibu, California.

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Speaker 2: Normally I would go home, but I decided to rent

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Speaker 2: a car and just drive north for a few days,

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Speaker 2: with no plans, no where to stay. I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to drive. And when I left Vegas behind, I entered

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Speaker 2: this desert area and I found it really intriguing. And

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Speaker 2: then all the red rocks appeared and I was driving

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Speaker 2: for about five hours and the road was dead straight.

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Speaker 2: I thought, wow, this is pretty cool. And when I

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Speaker 2: got to this little town, I got the phone book

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Speaker 2: and I called a real estate agent. So I just

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody. I called this gentleman up out

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Speaker 2: of the Yellow Pages and I said, I don't buy anything,

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Speaker 2: but what's going on here? It's kind of interesting and

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Speaker 2: he said, well, you know, it's a very rural area.

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Speaker 2: And we met for breakfast and he showed me some houses,

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Speaker 2: and the first one he showed me was the one

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Speaker 2: I bought, although he showed me about twenty five houses,

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Speaker 2: and I said, I don't want to buy anything. I

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Speaker 2: just want to see what's happening around here, because it

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Speaker 2: was all new to me. The mountains and the serenity

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Speaker 2: and the clowns and the fresh air. I thought, wow.

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Speaker 2: And he showed me a lot of houses. And then

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Speaker 2: when he finished showing me, I said, remember the first

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Speaker 2: one we looked at. I said, yeah, I said, I

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Speaker 2: want to go and see that again. But it was

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Speaker 2: just it was a weekender. It was it was just

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Speaker 2: a shell. But he came with one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: six acres, which I at that time I thought was

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Speaker 2: a lot of land. In Malibu, I had about five acres,

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Speaker 2: which was a lot of land. And I ended up

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Speaker 2: buying the house. You know. I said, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: buy it, you know, So I bought it. That's how

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Speaker 2: I came to be in Utah thirty four years ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how close to the town of Park City are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm about ten miles away.

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Speaker 1: I happen an old area, which direction, well.

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Speaker 2: I'm east of Park City, so it sees, oh, you

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Speaker 2: know the area. Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful area, you know.

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Speaker 2: And when I when I bought the place, it was

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Speaker 2: park City that really nailed it for me because it's

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Speaker 2: a cosmopolitan city, not too big, but it has great

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Speaker 2: restaurants and it's a very liberal place, which I was

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Speaker 2: not looking for, but it added to the mystique of it.

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Speaker 2: And so I thought, what these great restaurants around because

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Speaker 2: where I live then certainly there was nothing here, you know, nothing,

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Speaker 2: but that's what I really wanted. So but then if

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Speaker 2: I can be in park City within fifteen minutes at

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Speaker 2: all kinds of restaurants, yeah, that put the nail in

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Speaker 2: the deal for me, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Needless to say, in thirty four years, park City

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Speaker 1: has really changed.

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Speaker 2: It has it has? And you know, I actually don't

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Speaker 2: go in there that much anyway, as much as I

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Speaker 2: used to because there's a lot of people there now.

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Speaker 2: But when when I bought the house, I'm in now

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Speaker 2: the shells, should I say? The agent that I called

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Speaker 2: out the phone book, who became a really good friend.

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Speaker 2: We sat in the house and he said to me

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Speaker 2: there were five lots in front that were pretty big lots,

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Speaker 2: and he said, if I were you, if you can

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Speaker 2: get any closer. And I was able to buy them,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad I did now because nobody can get

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Speaker 2: my little sanctuary. And you know, when because I spent

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Speaker 2: so much time in cities and traveling around the world,

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Speaker 2: it's just wonderful to come back to the peace and

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Speaker 2: the serenity is great for me. But it's not for everyone.

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Speaker 2: You know. When I first bought it, Russell would come

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Speaker 2: He would he would look out the window and he

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Speaker 2: would say, Wow, it's the quiet is beautiful. But it

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Speaker 2: wasn't for him because he's more he needs a city.

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Speaker 2: But for me, it's perfect. You know. I can just

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Speaker 1: Okay, thirty four years ago, you leave Vegas, you come

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Speaker 1: to Park City, you call that real estate agent. Do

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Speaker 1: you tell him you're in air supply?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I never do to anyone. But if

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Speaker 2: once I wanted to buy the house because of finance

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Speaker 2: was shocked. He says, oh my god, I said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, but then they all get used to it.

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Speaker 2: They refer to me in this area, or they used

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Speaker 2: to as the movie star that lives upon the hill.

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Speaker 2: You know. They say, when I go to the grain

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Speaker 2: know me on a first name basis. But when I

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Speaker 2: first used to go, they'd say, are you the movie star?

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Speaker 2: And I'd say, no, I'm actually not a movie star,

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Speaker 2: you know, but they've got used to me. Now now

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Speaker 1: Okay, everyone knows the name ere supply, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the two of you, you and Russell have been in

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Speaker 1: the you know, the act forever. But then the other people,

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Speaker 1: are you recognized?

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Speaker 2: You know, yes I am. However, you know, when I

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Speaker 2: get on a plane, I'm recognized. But I'm six feet

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Speaker 2: five and tall, you know, so wherever I go, people

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Speaker 2: go whoa. But when Russell and I are together, we

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Speaker 2: certainly we get recognized, you know, but it's always a

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Speaker 2: positive thing. It's always great. People come up to us

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Speaker 2: all the time and that will say, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I got married your songs, and you know, there's that

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Speaker 2: and the other, and we'll go, oh, that's fantastic. And

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Speaker 2: people have done that for decades and we've never turned

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Speaker 2: think that has a lot to do with with our

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Speaker 2: fan base, you know, because it spreads. But we've never

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Speaker 2: said now, I'm not signing anything. We've never done that,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think we ever will, because we're very

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Speaker 2: aware that the people that come to our shows put

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Speaker 2: gas in my car, you know, and they're part of

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Speaker 2: the whole cycle of life. For me. They gave me

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Speaker 2: the place where I live and everything that I own,

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Speaker 2: they've given it me, They've helped me get it. So

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Speaker 2: I will always be grateful and indebted to them for that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that air supply gets the specter deserve.

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Speaker 2: I think so. You know, there are when you know,

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Speaker 2: in the eighties, for instance, you know, we had we

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Speaker 2: achieved a lot. At one point, we had as many

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Speaker 2: space of time, and that to us was quite staggering

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Speaker 2: because the Beatles are everything to us. They were and

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Speaker 2: still are. I think there are other bands that have

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Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't bother us because we prefer

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Speaker 2: to step back and let the music speak for us.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've never been in the magazines. We've never

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Speaker 2: Rolling Stone. In fact, when The One that You Love

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Speaker 2: was number one, Rolling Stone didn't even have in the

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Speaker 2: top twenty in the magazine. They pulled it out because

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Speaker 2: we probably weren't good copy. However, we've kind of got

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Speaker 2: used to it and it doesn't bother us at all

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Speaker 2: because what's important to us are the fans and us

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Speaker 2: getting on stage and playing. That's what we love to do,

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Speaker 2: and we probably do more shows than any other band

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Speaker 2: in the industry. We play one hundred and thirty every

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Speaker 2: year and we're almost at fifty six hundred in our career,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think a lot of artists have done that,

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Speaker 2: high level. I mean, we're not the Rolling Stones, but

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Speaker 2: for what we do, we do it with a lot

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Speaker 2: of class and we created our own sound and that's

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Speaker 2: what that's what we play.

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Speaker 1: You know, since you've done so many gigs, do you

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Speaker 1: find that it's a hardcore fan base that is coming

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Speaker 1: is it like air Supply goes to a town you've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of hits. People come as they say,

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Speaker 1: on the other stream, they have very hardcore of fans.

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Speaker 1: What are the fans like for air Supply?

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Speaker 2: They're hardcore the airheads that there's millions of them, and

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Speaker 2: some of them a few, not a lot. I've seen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their legion. And we talk to them because

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Speaker 2: have a as all artists do. Now, we have a

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Speaker 2: VIP thing at sound check and people come get a

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Speaker 2: you know, and we say why do you keep coming back?

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Speaker 2: And they say, we can't stay away. We don't know

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Speaker 2: I'm convinced that people go to see shows to hear

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Speaker 2: hit songs. There's no doubt about that. When I go

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Speaker 2: hit songs, you know. And fortunately we have a lot

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Speaker 2: be part of your journey, you know, with us. But

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Speaker 2: I think specifically with our music, it's very it's the word,

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Speaker 2: it's very family. It's family music. You know. They have

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Speaker 2: a lot of memories to us. They got married, because

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Speaker 2: we've been together for fifty years. It's their whole family

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Speaker 2: is part of it. They got married to us, they

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Speaker 2: had the babies, they've lost people that you know, we

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Speaker 2: can name any one of a dozen songs that are

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Speaker 2: So it's it's like this nuclear fission that just keeps

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Speaker 1: Okay, So with this date, why do you play so

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Speaker 2: You know, it's simply because we love to play, we

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Speaker 2: really do. And we've you know, Russell and I have

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Speaker 2: always said years and years ago, we said we'll stop

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Speaker 2: think we we offer a message. You know. The songs

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Speaker 2: see them. A lot of them are in tears, you know,

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Speaker 2: But it's not like it's different than like, although we

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Speaker 2: are a rock and roll band, it's different than most

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Speaker 2: other rock and roll bands. We don't come out and

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Speaker 2: It's a different energy with us, and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So to what degree are you a student of

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Speaker 2: No, I'm very aware of everything like that. I even

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Speaker 1: You know, do you know how much merch per head

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've had monster hits and there supply songs are

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Speaker 2: We we about five years ago we sold we sold

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Speaker 2: We're okay, we're fine. But it's like you said, we've

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Speaker 2: It's the singer, it's the songs, it's a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: our career.

431
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

432
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's incredible. And you know, Barry Siegel is

433
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: his name, and he advises us not only as management

434
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: to decide what we do in a year, but also

435
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: accounting and what we do with the money. And he

436
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: invests for us. But he said to us, you know,

437
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: I want you to have that money and I don't

438
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: want you to touch it, which is a very smart thing.

439
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: And so instead of us going through it and buying whatever,

440
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: he said, No, he's very he's very very frugal. So far,

441
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: we haven't touched any of it because he wanted us

442
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: to have it there as a backup in case anything happens.

443
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: Of course that's the smart the smart thing. But with

444
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: Barry in particular, we have an incredible relationship. Not only

445
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: are we extremely close friends, we go on vacation together,

446
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: we have dinners all the time. But we're very close.

447
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: But there's a great trust there and we look after

448
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: each other, you know. And I don't know if we'd

449
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: be where we are with that Barry. In fact, we

450
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't for sure.

451
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: So how did you meet him?

452
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: That's an interesting story when nineteen eighty when Lost in

453
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: Love was the biggest song in the world, and we

454
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: didn't have any representation, no manager, no accounting or anything.

455
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: And Russell and I were, of course still living in

456
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Australia and we got a lot of phone calls from

457
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: lawyers from Los Angeles and money people saying, oh, I

458
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: know you don't have any representation, I'd like to offer

459
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: our services and from great people. And we didn't get

460
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: a call from Barry. He came and knocked on my door.

461
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: He flew to Australia and he said I'm Barry seeing

462
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: on I am accountant and would you be interested in

463
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: talking to me? And at that point he was working

464
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: with a large accounting firm, but he wanted to go

465
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: out on his own with a partner. And I took

466
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: him out in Sydney that night and we got him

467
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: really drunk and we just left him alone and he

468
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: had to find his way through through his dodgy area

469
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: called King's Cross in Sydney and he couldn't remember where

470
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: his hotel I was. But we we just got on great.

471
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: And I Russell and I both thought that him coming

472
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: to Australia knocking on out door and saying I'd love

473
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: to represent you, you know, and we said, yes, let's

474
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: do it. And that's that was a long time ago,

475
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: and that's how we get. That's how it started.

476
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: So unlike most musicians, you haven't had an episode of

477
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: being seriously ripped off.

478
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: No, no, we haven't, thanks to Barry. We've had people

479
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: that have tried to do that, but they they're not successful.

480
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: You know, Barry Barry Barry's firm, which is PFM Provident

481
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Provident Financial Management, became very, very successful in an accounting world.

482
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: But I believe we're the only artist that he personally manages,

483
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: although he's company represents the krem Della Creme of artists

484
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: and actors in the industry. So it's great for us,

485
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, but we've never nobody's ever tried to rip

486
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: us off for him, well, they've tried a few times,

487
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: but Barry just knocks it all down, as it's known.

488
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: So he's you know, it's something about trust and when

489
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: you have a career and if you trust someone totally,

490
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: that's a big that's a big plus for us because

491
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: we don't spend any time wondering if anybody is ripping

492
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: us off. We just don't. And you know, it's a

493
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: wonderful experience that we've had together and we we refer

494
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: to ourselves as the Three Musketeers.

495
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Okay, jumping around. You were talking about in the eighties

496
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: on the road so much. Why were you on the

497
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: road so much? Today acts have to be on the road.

498
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, act starting up, recording step

499
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: for a few don't generate that much money. Were people

500
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: saying you have to go on the road to sell

501
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the act, to build the act, to visit the radio stations,

502
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: or they were saying, you're so hot. This is the

503
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: time to make money. Why were they having you work

504
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: so much?

505
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: We wanted to first up and we had the opportunity.

506
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: Suddenly we could have our own tour, which a lot

507
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: of artists they have to wait a long time before

508
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: they get that. They did say you need to headline

509
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: your own tour. So we did a theater tour in

510
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. I'll never forget it. I remember each show

511
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: and we were on a bus. So for us it

512
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: was exciting too. You know, I was in nineteen eighty,

513
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: I was thirty years old. Russell was thirty one. So

514
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: for us it was like, oh my, this whole new

515
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: life just started. And they said, if you want to

516
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: work every night, you can work every night, and we did.

517
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: We wanted to. We were on a bus. It was

518
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: a lot of fun where we had several buses. We

519
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: were doing the show. Getting on the bus, habit a

520
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: bottle of wine and life was fantastic. We'd be looking

521
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: we'd get the billboard positions a week early. Clive Davis

522
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: would be calling us all the time saying, oh, you've

523
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: jumped another ten places. So life was incredible. It was

524
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: what every artist, every musician dreams about. And it suddenly

525
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: came to us, and we were kind of late in

526
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: life for it to happen, thirty and thirty one years old,

527
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: so we didn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

528
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: Plus we wanted to play. We'd had four years of

529
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: not earning any money. We were broke before Lost in

530
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: Love hit in the US. We had no money, even

531
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: though it was a big hit in Australia. We had

532
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: several hits in Australia, we weren't earning anything. We couldn't

533
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: even play in Australia. We couldn't afford to hire musicians

534
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: or a PA system, so we just weren't working. So

535
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: suddenly to headline our own tour was a big deal

536
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: for us, and we wanted to get out there. You know,

537
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Lost in Love was you couldn't turn the radio one

538
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: without hearing Lost in Love at all anywhere, and we

539
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: had a little taste of that right before we came

540
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: to the US. We went to Japan because they asked

541
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: us to come. Lost in Love was released there, and

542
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: in Australia a gold record is twenty thousand copies. We

543
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: went to Japan in nineteen seventy nine and we sold

544
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: a million albums in a week and we thought, oh

545
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 2: my god, this is just outrageous, you know, and so

546
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: we said, yes, that's what we want. And it wasn't

547
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: the money, because we'd never had any all the fame.

548
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: It was just being able to do, to have a

549
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: career and to be able to play and get on

550
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: stage and having people in the audience. We we had

551
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: done shows in Sydney where nobody came. Nobody and the

552
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: problem the guy that was running the pub, you know,

553
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: he would because we'd do two we were booked for

554
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: two one hour sets. He'd say, okay, nobody's here. After

555
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: the first set, I'm going to give you half the money.

556
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: You can go home, and we say, no, we have to.

557
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: We want to, you know, sit by the contract. This.

558
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: We wanted to two shows, two one hour shows, because

559
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: we needed the money and we were making two hundred

560
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: dollars a night. It was out. It was stupid, you know,

561
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: but that's all we had. And then Lost in Love

562
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: hit and everything changed, you know. That's why we wanted

563
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: to play.

564
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Okay, you're in the pub in Australia, literally no one comes. Yeah,

565
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: how do you keep your attitude up?

566
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: It was very difficult, but just in case anybody was

567
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: to walk in, which they didn't. We just did the show,

568
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: so it was like a rehearsal and we played both

569
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: sets and it destroys you. It's really it breaks your heart,

570
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: you know. And at the same time we had a

571
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: top ten record in Australia lost in it was top

572
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: ten and we couldn't get anybody at the shows. But

573
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: our hearts were breaking. But we never gave up. We

574
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: never said this is I've had enough of this, I'm

575
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: going to get a job. I think we said. We

576
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: never did that. We said no, no, we've got to

577
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: hang on. We've got to hang on, you know, And

578
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: we did and I'm glad we did.

579
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: So where did you grow up?

580
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: I grew up in Nottingham in England, which is in

581
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: the center of England.

582
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: All I know was Nottingham. Didn't Raleigh bicycles made in

583
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: notting Yes.

584
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: He did. My sister used to work for him and

585
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: dunlocked tires.

586
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: So what were the circumstances? What were your parents doing

587
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: for a living?

588
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: Well, my mother died when I was ten, which was

589
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: really instrumental in me starting to write songs and writing

590
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: verse down because when my mother died I didn't speak

591
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: to anyone for three months. And when I came out

592
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: because I was I was ten years old, I was

593
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: in shock. When I started to talk, I would write

594
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 2: things down on a legal pad with add it around

595
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: my neck with a pen and I would write things down.

596
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Then I started to put things into verse and make

597
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: it right for fun. But then when I started to

598
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: speak to people, would I would show them the verses,

599
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, say this is what I'm feeling right now,

600
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: and they they turned into songs. But my father worked

601
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: in a factory. He had for years and years. We

602
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: never we didn't have a car or phone. We never

603
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: went on vacation anywhere. We didn't have anything. But I

604
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: had a great until when my mother passed away, which

605
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: changed my whole life. Before that, I had a great childhood.

606
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: I was happy and just like all the other kids.

607
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to be a songwriter from very

608
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: early age.

609
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: Okay, was your mother ill or did she die suddenly?

610
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: She died from cancer. She had breast cancer. But I

611
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: knew she was ill, but they kept it from me

612
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: that she was really terminal. And then one morning my

613
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: dad just said to myself, my two older sisters, he

614
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: said your mother's gone. And I said, oh, where is

615
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: she gone? And when she's coming back? And he said, no,

616
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: she passed away, and I didn't know what that meant.

617
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: I said, well, what when is she coming back? You know?

618
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: He said, she's not coming back. That's it. And I

619
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: was just devastated. And it took me a long long

620
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: time to get used to the idea, you know, which

621
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: is you know now, I understand when people when children

622
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: lose their apparent at an early age, I understand what

623
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: they're going through. But until you go through that, I

624
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: don't know if you can understand it. My whole world died,

625
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: everything died, and it took me a long time to

626
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: build my life back together.

627
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, you didn't speak for three months.

628
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: Now.

629
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: People noticed that when they say, or what you don't

630
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: want to take you to the doctor, they were ribbing you.

631
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: How are people here?

632
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: They were trying to comfort me because they realized that

633
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: I didn't know that it was going to happen, that

634
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: my mother was going to die. Everybody knew but me

635
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: that she was going to go, so it was all

636
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: it was a comfort thing. But I just didn't want

637
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. I didn't want to talk

638
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: to people. I didn't want people comforting me and saying, no,

639
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: it's going to be all right, because no, it wasn't

640
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: going to be all right, and I needed to go

641
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: through it. And even at that early age, I just

642
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: wanted to be on my own. I needed to deal

643
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 2: with it myself. But one must remember in England, where

644
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: I came from, then I don't ever remember embracing my dad,

645
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: or my dad coming up to me giving me a hug,

646
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: or ever saying I love you. It just didn't happen,

647
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: never happened. So I was on my own. I don't

648
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: even remember my sisters coming up to me and putting

649
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: their arms around me. And in fact, my sister was

650
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: one of my sisters is eight years older than me,

651
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: and we're very close now. But she said to me recently,

652
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: she said, I had no idea what you went through.

653
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: Nobody told you, and nobody tried to help you. And

654
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: I said, no, they didn't. But on reflection, it gave

655
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: me great strength and I started to listen to my

656
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: own voice in my head and it set me on

657
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: a path to write things down and to write verse.

658
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: And then I wanted to learn to play the guitar.

659
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: I got a guitar and I learned to play it

660
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: really quickly, and the first song I learned was Home

661
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: on the Range, which is like a two chord song.

662
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: As soon as I could look, as soon as I

663
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: could play that, I started writing my own songs. Not

664
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: knowing what I was doing. I just and that was

665
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: the beginning. And I would write songs maybe three or

666
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: four every week, even as a young teenager and right

667
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: into my adult life, you know. So it became second

668
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: nature to me, and it became everything to me. It

669
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: became the shoulder that I could cry on, and it

670
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: became my life everything, you know. So songwriting for me,

671
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: it's not just something to do to try and get

672
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: a song on the radio. I mean far from it.

673
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's the other, my other persona that I

674
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: talked to, and it's kind of like my twin if

675
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: you like.

676
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: Okay, is that when you knew you were going to

677
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: be a songwriter?

678
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, yeah, well not when I knew I

679
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: was going to be. It was when I wanted to be.

680
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: But you know, I was in the center of England.

681
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: The last thing anybody needs in the center of England

682
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: is a songwriter. But I never let go of it.

683
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: I always wanted my career's person, my career's teacher at school,

684
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: who I am actually still in touch with. Yeah, she

685
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: and I said, She said, well, what do you want

686
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: to be? Do you want to be a doctor or

687
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: policeman or what do you want to do? I said,

688
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: I want to be in a band. I want to

689
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: write songs. And I'm thirteen years old, right, And she says, ha, no,

690
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: you can't do that. What do you really want to be?

691
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: And I said, I really want to be a songwriter?

692
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, isn't that weird? It's funny?

693
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of things. You're very verbal thinking, but

694
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about this alone time when your mother pats.

695
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: Are you someone who likes their own company or you

696
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: someone like Jerry Maguire always has to have somebody around.

697
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: No. I like spending a lot of time on my own.

698
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's good or bad for anyone,

699
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: but I always have. Even at school, I was a loner,

700
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: you know. I know when I was fifteen sixteen, nobody

701
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: would go out with me on a day to the pictures,

702
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: the movies, and so I became I was my own

703
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: best friend, and then I would just The only thing

704
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: I used to run to was writing songs. I'd dash

705
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: home from school and i'd listened to this program on

706
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: the BBC called Pop Go the Beatles. It was on

707
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: a Tuesday afternoon at five o'clock, and I used to

708
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: dash home and listen to it. And then i'd listened

709
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: to that, and then i'd go and write a song,

710
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, obviously imitating what i'd just heard, but it

711
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: was a great What I didn't realize what I was

712
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: doing is I was informing myself. I was going to school.

713
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: I was going to the University of learning how to

714
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: write a song, even at thirteen and fourteen. But I

715
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: loved it. And you know, I would say to a

716
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: couple of school friends. They'd say, what are you just

717
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: still writing songs? I said yeah. They say, okay, let

718
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: me let me have a listen to some. And I

719
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: was never shy. I usually had a guitar with me anyway,

720
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: and I would say, okay, listen to this, and I'd

721
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: play them one or two or three or four songs

722
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: and they go wow, you know, And so that's how

723
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: over I overcame my shyness because I wasn't afraid to.

724
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: I would just stop and play for anybody. You know.

725
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're writing songs. I mean you're in England.

726
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: It's not the same as America. But in America, certainly

727
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: post Beatles, everybody got a guitar, drums, whatever, and they

728
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: started to play and they played it high school assemblies

729
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: and they played parties. Did you play those kind of gigs?

730
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: A few of them in England? When whenever I could,

731
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: If my school friends would say, oh, we're having a

732
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: few people around and I was invited, I always took

733
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: my guitar just because that was what I did. It

734
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: was like my date. You know, I had a guitar,

735
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: and of course if somebody sees you with a guitar,

736
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: oh you play guitar. There you want to play something? Yeah, sure,

737
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: so that's how it started. You know. I've never been

738
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: shy about playing. But I'm not a great guitar player.

739
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: I just play rhythm guitar and I play enough to

740
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: get by. I get I know enough guitar to play

741
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: my songs. But that's yeah. I used to play those

742
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: kind of things, you know for sure.

743
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: Okay. One have to ask many musicians play music because

744
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: it's a way to find girls or girls have been

745
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: drawn to them. Was that of your motivations? And did

746
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: it work?

747
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: It was never a motivation for me at all. In fact,

748
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: I never even thought about that. It wasn't on my

749
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: radar at all. I just wanted to play songs. I

750
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: wanted to play my own songs. And when I joined

751
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: the band in England and I played drums, you.

752
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: Know, how did that happen?

753
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: Well? I loved the Beatles and you know, I bought

754
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: every record they had. I used to go around to

755
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: my aunt's and say, the Beatles albums coming out? Can

756
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: you help me pay for it? You know? And they would.

757
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: And then I just had this thing of for ringo,

758
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: you know. And so I would sit on my couch

759
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: and I would play drums. I had a cardboard box

760
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: for the bass drum. I bought a cheap second and

761
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: not even second, and a kick drum pedal hitting a

762
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: cardboard box. And I had another cardboard box for a

763
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: tom tom and I would hit the couch and I

764
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: learned every single Beatles song, all the drums, so to

765
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: go into I wanted then, I wanted to go into

766
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: a band, and I joined a band, but quickly I

767
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: realized that drums weren't for me simply because it it

768
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: was playing a lot of blues songs, which I didn't

769
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: care for, and I wanted to play my own songs.

770
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: I would say to the guys man, hey, guys, how

771
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: about playing an original song, you know? And they go, no, no,

772
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: we're a cover band. So that's what was going on

773
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: in England, and I got really fed up with it,

774
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, and that's when I decided to leave England

775
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: because I couldn't get anywhere.

776
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: Okay, a few questions when you would play your songs,

777
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: was reaction always positive? Or was sometimes people would the

778
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: morning people said, hey, I'd rather listen to her hit song.

779
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: It was always positive, which was great for me because

780
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: a lot of my early songs they weren't great songs.

781
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: It was just a young kid trying to learn how

782
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: to write songs. But even my sisters, when I play them,

783
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: they say, oh, wow, that's really nice. But so they

784
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: empowered me. And my school friends would say wow, that's cool,

785
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: and they would start learning the songs with me and

786
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: they'd sing with me, and so I knew. I knew

787
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: the songs were okay. They weren't hit songs, and they

788
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: were all over the place, but they were finished, and

789
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: they had lyrics and there was a beginning, a chorus

790
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: and an ending. So I was very happy with that.

791
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: But everybody was always positive. Nobody ever said, oh, that's terrible.

792
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: I think if they had I would have been destroyed.

793
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: But nobody ever did, Okay, do you still write songs

794
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: to Oh? Yeah, every day, every day.

795
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell me a little bit more about that.

796
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know, a supply. We just finished our Ladies' album,

797
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: which is our first in fifteen years, so I don't

798
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: have a lot of outlet for my songs. So about

799
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: ten years ago I started to get involved with musicals.

800
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: I love writing musicals, and now I just finished my

801
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: twelfth musical simply because I love to write around a story,

802
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: so I get the story from somewhere and now I'm

803
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: getting the hang of it, and so it's something that

804
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: I love to do. I don't know if it's supply

805
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: after this album, won't make another album. I don't want

806
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: to say we won't, but this one took fifteen years

807
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: for us to come around to say, oh, yeah, let's

808
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: make an album. I don't know if we have that

809
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: much time left, but I just love writing songs. So

810
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: people started to come to me with with the scripts

811
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: and these stories and say, I really want to turn

812
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: this into a musical. Would you be interested? I say, yeah, sure,

813
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: So it's good for me. I just love writing songs,

814
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: you know. And you know the the air supply musicals

815
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 2: coming this year, so it's all kind of coming full circle.

816
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean once again. You know, I just have a

817
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: great life. I kind of do what I want to do,

818
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: and you know.

819
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So what happened with the twelve musicals you wrote?

820
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: Well, four of them were attempts at air supply musicals,

821
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 2: but the book, the book that people wrote, I never

822
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the book. People would say, oh,

823
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: the book's not great, you know, But then I try again.

824
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: But then I wrote three with two gentlemen from here

825
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: in Utah that were and two of them went on stage,

826
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 2: had limited runs, so that was great. So every every

827
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: musical I'm getting more and more experience. Now, last July,

828
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: I started to write one about David Copperfield, the Charles

829
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: Dickens Book, and I finished that in six weeks, and

830
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: so that's how it has a reading. A second reading

831
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: in March and I think it's going to open in

832
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: London in November. That's when I'm tough. So my musicals

833
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: are getting more and more notoriety. But even if they don't,

834
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: I just love doing it, you know, it's great. And

835
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the readings and they hire all these singers

836
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: and and suddenly I'm seeing all these people and rehearsal

837
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: singing all these songs, and wow, that's really cool. But

838
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: it's great, you know, it's wonderful for me.

839
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: So how do you write songs? And what's the difference

840
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: between writing songs for ear supplier for a musical.

841
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: Because in a musical, the parameters are given to me.

842
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: There's a story, the script or the book if you like,

843
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: and I read the book, I absorb it and I

844
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: think where a song should be, or the author of

845
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: the book will tell me where the song he thinks

846
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: or she thinks needs to be. And I like that.

847
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: They give me a lot of pointers and tell me

848
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: what should be said in the song. So for me,

849
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: it's kind of easy because they're telling me what needs

850
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: to happen in the song, who's singing it, and the

851
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: parameters of the scene. And then I go and I'll

852
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: write the song. So it's great for me, but for

853
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: a supply, I have to come up with everything, which

854
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: is great too. I have to come up with a

855
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: story well, because a song is a story that you've

856
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: got to have a beginning, a middle, and a great

857
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: ending in three and a half minutes, you know. So

858
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: that's a challenge for anyone. But that's what writing a

859
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: song is all about. And I love that too. But

860
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: there's no doubt I have a gift. I don't know

861
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: where it comes from, but I can pretty much write

862
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: a song on demand, you know.

863
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, some people eke it out. I mean, Leonard Cohen

864
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: wrote songs over years. Some of the greatest songs in

865
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: rock history were written in fifteen minutes. Yeah, So do

866
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: you work on inspiration or you know, is it something

867
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: you work on a song and you do a song

868
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: a day or a song a week. How do you

869
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: actually do it? Is it more workman like or is

870
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: it more a lightning bolt?

871
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: It's a lightning boat. But I'm very aware, after all,

872
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: you know, I've been writing songs now for over sixty years.

873
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: That's a long time. So I've kind of figured out

874
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: a few of the things. But for me and I

875
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: know a lot of songwriters are different, but for me,

876
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: I know when it's going to strike. I get a feeling.

877
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: If I know I've got to write a song, I'll

878
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: just sit at the piano or I'll sit my guitar

879
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: and I'll sit there and I think about what I

880
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: want to write about, and then I just do it.

881
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 2: And most of my biggest songs were written in fifteen

882
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: or thirty minutes. Yeah, Lost in Love was written in

883
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, simply because I know when the muse, if

884
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: you want to call it, that is there. I just

885
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: know it, and we have a communication. I just feel

886
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 2: it and I get goosebumps, and I say, Okay, I'm

887
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: going to write this song. And then when it's done,

888
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: you know, I have my phone going to record it.

889
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't have any sophisticated recording technique. I just record

890
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: the song and then I'll go back and I listen

891
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: to what's on my phone. And I'm always nervous when

892
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: I go back to listen because I say to myself, God,

893
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: that was great, but it isn't that great. I listen

894
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: to my phone and every time I go, yes, I

895
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: got I've got the essence of it. Then I go

896
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: back and tidy it up and you know, and finish

897
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: the lyrics. So it's a great revelation for me, and

898
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: it's I love it so much because and every time

899
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: that comes, where that inspiration strikes me, I end up

900
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 2: in tears because it's such an incredible feeling and a moment.

901
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I get taken over and I

902
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: just can't. I go into this massive crime thing almost

903
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: like wow, it happened again. But I don't deserve to

904
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: have these feelings and to do this. You know, there

905
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: should be somebody else, but it's not, you know, and

906
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't have any training, musical training

907
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: about anything. It's all intuitive, but it's never let me

908
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: down so far, and I just love it. I just

909
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: love it so much.

910
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know when you write a hit?

911
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: I do? Yeah? Well should I say I know when

912
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: I write a great song? I do yeah, because it

913
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: happens quickly, and I can just tell after all these years,

914
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: I go, oh yeah. But if I'm start to write

915
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: something and it doesn't reach my expectations, I'll stop and

916
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: I'll never go back to it. It has to happen

917
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: really fast so I can get that inspiration, that lightning boat.

918
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: I have to catch it and put it in a

919
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: bottle so that it's there, And when it is, it's

920
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: like the most incredible euphoria. It's like, I imagine it's

921
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: like a bit a drug. I don't do drugs, I

922
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: never have, but I imagine it's something like that where you know,

923
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: you go, oh my god, and it's incredible. It's like

924
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: you want to jump off the roof of your house.

925
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: You know, lightning doesn't strike every day, So if you

926
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: want to have an album with ten or twelve tracks,

927
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: my experience is you can't have lightning strike all those times.

928
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: No, that's true. But with this new album of ours,

929
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: we took a long time to record it, simply because

930
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: we were on the road so much and we wanted

931
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: to play, so we would block out two weeks or

932
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: three weeks and we'd go and record. So by the

933
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: time we came to a recording block, I'd written another

934
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: half a dozen songs, of which two or three I

935
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: was really I really knew that they were going to

936
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: be strong, so in my opinion, but I may be wrong.

937
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: This album is packed with really strong songs, but it

938
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: may not be. They may not be songs that people

939
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: want to hear anymore, because I don't pay any attention

940
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: to what's current or what's what's going to be a

941
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: hit or the new flavor of the moment. I just

942
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: don't pay any attention because if I did, I wouldn't

943
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: be doing what I want to do. I'm not going

944
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: to follow another person in their career because mine takes

945
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: two much time. I don't have time to listen to

946
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: new stuff because I'm working on songs all the time.

947
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: And maybe that's a failing, but I don't know. I

948
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 2: don't even know what gen x is or what's hip

949
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: or what's current or any of the new artists at all.

950
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: But I'm okay with that, you know, I don't. I

951
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: don't need to know anymore. And Air Supply takes a

952
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: lot of my time, but I love it, and it's

953
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: it's the band that Russell and I created, So why

954
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't I love to to fill that that energy, fill

955
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: the band with that energy. And the people that work

956
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: for air Supply, all that crew and the band, they

957
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: all feel the same way. They just love it and

958
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: it's we all have a part to play, and it's like,

959
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, when we I mean, I'm digressing. But when

960
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: we go to a show, like I leave tomorrow. We

961
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: go to Chicago and we have we have three shows

962
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: in a rown. When I see everybody, it's like, oh,

963
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: how you doing it? It's great to see you. I

964
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: mean I saw him four days ago, but we go,

965
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: oh wow, you know, it's great, what a what a

966
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: great life.

967
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: How did you feel towards the end of the peak

968
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: of the air supply career in the early eighties late seventies,

969
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: when you recorded other people's songs.

970
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, we were with Clive Davis for

971
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: a long time, and you know that I think maybe

972
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: eighty five or something. Yeah, it wasn't a good time

973
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: for me. Although everything was cool, we weren't selling any

974
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: albums anymore. It was just that time where people were

975
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: trying to have us hang on to everything. You're right.

976
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: We recorded a few songs that I really didn't care for.

977
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: You know, But I've always said this that Russell is

978
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: such a great singer. He deserves to sing other people's songs,

979
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: not just mine. He deserves to sing the greatest songs

980
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: in the world. But when we came on the scene,

981
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: of course, every man and their dog were sending songs

982
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: to Clive Davis for us, and some of them were

983
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: great songs. But then in eighty five or so people

984
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: thought they could reinventors. But I don't know where they

985
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: they figured out that we wanted to be reinvented because

986
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: we didn't. It was just we suddenly weren't on the

987
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: charts anymore. But that happens to every artist, or most artists,

988
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: should I say. And it was a weird time, you know.

989
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: All these songs were flying around and we had had

990
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: different producers for the albums and they said, oh, yeah,

991
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: record this, and ih, it just wasn't my thing. But

992
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: we recorded several of those songs that I really didn't

993
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: care for. One of them was a Bruce Springsteen song

994
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: that Clive Davis said, oh, you should record this. It

995
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: was called Sandy, and it taught I mean, I'm a

996
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen fan. I don't mean any disrespect, but this

997
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: Sandy was about the New Jersey or the Atlantic City

998
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: Boardwalkers something, and we'd never even been there, you know,

999
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: And I said, why are we recording this? Because apart

1000
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: from the fact that Clive said we should, why are

1001
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: we doing this? We know nothing about this And the

1002
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: song was a crappy song anyway. You know, every great

1003
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: artist writes crappy songs as well as great ones. This

1004
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: was one of those. And I thought, ah, you know,

1005
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: but anyway that we got through that episode and we said,

1006
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: you know, let's go to places that nobody's been to before.

1007
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: Let's let's go where they know who we are, and

1008
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: let's we went to Taiwan. At Taipei, we went to Vietnam,

1009
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: South Korea, they'd never seen a Western band before. We

1010
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: went to China and all these weird places, and it

1011
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: was great to see a different point of view, in

1012
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: a different perspective. And we went and talked these places

1013
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: for about five years, and everybody said, even Billboard Magazine said, oh,

1014
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: they've broken up. We never broke up. We just wanted

1015
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: to do a different thing. You know. We went to

1016
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: South America, into cities you can't even pronounce where we

1017
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: come into town. There would be everybody came out of

1018
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: their houses, dogs and cats, and people would just be waving,

1019
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: hundreds of people like, oh, you know, this is really

1020
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: what music is all about. It's doing things you haven't

1021
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: done before. And then we got used to the fact

1022
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: that we weren't going to be in the charts anymore.

1023
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: It's just it was a fact, you know. So we

1024
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: got used to that, and then we decided that we

1025
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: just love to play anyway, Let's just play. And that's

1026
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: that's when it started. We just played everywhere. We went

1027
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: all over and we go all over the world. And

1028
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: it's funny because not a lot of artists play all

1029
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: over the world, you know, And I'm surprised. I mean,

1030
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: of course, Taylor sway up the stones. Do not very

1031
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: few really venture out of the US and go overseas.

1032
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, you know, But we did and it was wonderful,

1033
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: you know. We we were up there and had a

1034
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: photo shoot at the Great Wall of China and the

1035
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: President of Taiwan gave us medals, you know, and he said,

1036
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: when you come to Taiwan in the future, you don't

1037
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: need to show your passport. You come straight through and go,

1038
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: oh okay. So it was just not being in the

1039
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: charts was a part of our career that we hadn't

1040
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: thought about when we were in the charts. But you know,

1041
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: then we went into a different a different phase, and

1042
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: here we are, we're still in that next phase.

1043
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: Okay, whose idea was it to tour all these disparate places?

1044
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: It was Russell and mine. It really was we. You know,

1045
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: when when my daughter was born in nineteen seventy, took

1046
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: way before the man. The first song I heard was

1047
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: a song called without You, which is which Nielsen's version,

1048
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: and I've always loved that song. And in I think

1049
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eighty eight or something, I said Harry, Harry

1050
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: Masleum was producing, and I said, you know, Harry, I

1051
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: want to record with at you. And he said, what

1052
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: have I done? He thought, what did you want him

1053
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: to do? I said, no, we want to record the

1054
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: song without You. So we recorded it just because it's

1055
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful songs ever written. And the

1056
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: story behind it is tragic how it came to be written.

1057
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: But anyway, we recorded it and it was on an

1058
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: album that we recorded with Harry, and it became this

1059
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: massive hit everywhere except the US, and then when people

1060
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: heard our version, everybody else started to record it, you know,

1061
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: Maria Carey, et cetera, all that. But it was a

1062
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: big hit for US, especially in South America and in Asia,

1063
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: and we said, okay, let's go down there. And it

1064
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: was everything happened all over again for us. So that

1065
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: introduced us to South America and places even in Asia

1066
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: we hadn't been before, so it was a great thing.

1067
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: And then once they got used to us again, another

1068
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: generation discovered us. All the all the old albums started

1069
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: to sell, and then everything became what it is now.

1070
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Really, okay, tell me about a couple of places you

1071
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: went there were really quite an experience.

1072
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: Uh do you mean the places are an experience?

1073
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, I like places that

1074
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: are very different, where they don't speak English. I went

1075
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: to Bogata once and literally everybody I interacted with it

1076
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: had a family member killed, and there were a lot

1077
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: of things, you know. Yeah, there are some other places.

1078
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, we have unique experiences that you

1079
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: don't encounter in the United States. Oh sure, So I

1080
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: was wondering if maybe you had a couple of experiences

1081
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: you could tell us about.

1082
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: Of course, Well, we played in Metagine. We played there

1083
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: two or three times. The first time we went there,

1084
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: the promoter was not a gangster, but he was he

1085
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: knew what he was doing. And we were in our

1086
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: transport going to the hotel from the airport and there

1087
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: were a couple of guys on the roadway that will't

1088
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: looked like they're laying down. They were resting or something.

1089
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: And I said, to that our promoter, what's going on there?

1090
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: He said, oh, he's just gone, you know. I said,

1091
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: what do you mean he's going? He said, oh, he's

1092
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: dead And I said really and he said yeah. And anyway,

1093
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 2: we he took us out that night and he said,

1094
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: I want I'd like you to take you out, you know,

1095
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: to a club and all that we used to go

1096
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: out in those days, not anymore. And then we said okay, yeah,

1097
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: and we had a security to security guards with us,

1098
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: and he said, we're going to go to this, to

1099
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: a club that I go to all the time, and

1100
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: I want you to meet my partner. So we go

1101
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: to this. We pull up to this club and this

1102
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: massive iron gates and on each side there's a there's

1103
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: a guy in a suit with a machine gun and

1104
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 2: we start freaking out, whoa And the gates open. We

1105
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: go and say, just don't worry, everything's great, and we

1106
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: go inside and it's a private club and there's you know,

1107
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: the guy greets us and he says, yeah, we're going

1108
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: to have a great time. You know, whatever you want.

1109
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: What do you want, you know, booze, broads or blow

1110
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 2: and we said we don't want any of those. So

1111
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: we go in and he got a dinner for us

1112
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: and on the table in the center at the table

1113
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: is like a big ball and it looks like sugar

1114
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: or salked and it's cocaine, you know. And he said,

1115
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: dig in whatever you want to do. But we've never

1116
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: been into that, you know. But some of our band impruded.

1117
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: But it's like whoa, you know, and all these guys

1118
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: walking around with you see the guns sticking out of

1119
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: the chest. So it was really heavy. And when we

1120
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: wanted we did the show and the promoter's partner wanted.

1121
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: He wanted us to do a TV show because we

1122
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: had bo guitar coming up. And we said, no, we

1123
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: don't want to do that, you know, and he said, well,

1124
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: I think I think you should. I said, no, we

1125
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: don't want to. We don't want to do a TV show.

1126
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: It was a day off, you know, and he said,

1127
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: you're going to do the TV show. He said, first

1128
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: of all, I have your passports. He said, if you

1129
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: don't do the TV show, you're going to stay in

1130
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: this hotel until you do. And we said, oh really,

1131
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: and he said yeah. So we ended up doing the

1132
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: TV show and then we left. Once we were in

1133
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: we were in Vietnam and it was the first time

1134
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: we'd gone there, and everybody was freaking out. They've never

1135
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: seen a band before, and we had to go before

1136
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: for all these generals and they were all in military dress,

1137
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: didn't speak a word of English, and I think it

1138
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: was like a dozen of them, and they said, through

1139
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: an interpreter, we want you to play your show. I said,

1140
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. He said, we want you

1141
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: to play your show. I said, We're not doing that,

1142
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: and I kind of dug in, you know, I said,

1143
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: you know what, We'll do our sound check. They can

1144
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 2: listen to that. They didn't speak a word of English,

1145
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 2: and we did the sound check and they said no,

1146
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 2: and the interpreter came up and he said, now you've

1147
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: got to play the whole show. I said, I'm not

1148
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: playing the whole show. And I said they can shove it.

1149
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: I don't care if we don't play it. And I've

1150
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: had enough and I put my guitar down and I

1151
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: walked out and I went back to the hotel and

1152
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: everything was fine. Nobody said anything, and we did the

1153
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: show and we left. But they they want to see you,

1154
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: you know, under their own terms. But I says, no,

1155
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. And I was just said, no,

1156
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. So and it didn't. When

1157
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: when we played China the first time in ninety six,

1158
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: they'd never seen a band before, a Western band, and

1159
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: we would go in the audience for the One that

1160
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 2: you Love, and the promoter said, well, you can't go

1161
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 2: in the audience here, you know. And it was a

1162
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: big twenty thousand seat arena and when we got there

1163
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: there was soldiers all around the perimeter, every six feet

1164
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: with machine guns, you know, army people, and you know,

1165
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: during the show, we came to the One that you Love,

1166
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: and you know, I started it and Russell and I

1167
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: looked at each other and I said, are we going

1168
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: and he said yeah. So we got down off the

1169
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: stage and we walked around. We went into the audience

1170
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: and all everybody freaked out and the soldiers were they

1171
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do, but we just walked around

1172
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: the wholes and everybody was fine. They were waving, and

1173
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: we went back on stage and finished the song finished

1174
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: the show, and they said, you can never come back

1175
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: to China again. You can't do that. Of course, we

1176
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: went back many times, but that was just what goes

1177
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: on there, you know, and it's part of getting people

1178
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: in the in the zone. You know, this is what's

1179
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: happening people, but they're very reluctant to to to share

1180
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: what's going on in the West, very careful about it,

1181
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: you know. But it was a great experience, and after

1182
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 2: that we've been back maybe half a dozen times to

1183
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: China and it's great now. Of course everybody screams and chants,

1184
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: but in those days they didn't do that, you know.

1185
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: So we were kind of pioneers, if you like, with music.

1186
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: But they wouldn't let any band whose lyrics or image

1187
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: is considered contrary to the communist way of life, you know,

1188
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: they they would We had to send all our lyrics

1189
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: in they had to be okayed, and what we were

1190
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: going to wear. We had to show pictures of what

1191
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna wear. And we couldn't swear on stage. We

1192
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: don't anyway, and we always cool. We never wear jeans

1193
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 2: on stage. So we passed all the auditions, but you know,

1194
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 2: we gave him a couple of things to think about,

1195
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: but we had to, you know.

1196
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to Clive Davis. He is very

1197
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: controlling of his artist careers. Yes, your experience, good beat

1198
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: or otherwise.

1199
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 2: It was good with Clive, and he had a lot

1200
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: to do with our success, you know. He All Out

1201
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 2: of Love was a big hit in Australia two years

1202
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: before it was released in the US, so you know,

1203
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: it was a hit, and so the song had been

1204
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: okay by everybody. But he came to me and he said,

1205
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: you know, we got to change some of the lyric

1206
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: a couple of lines in the corpse. Originally it was

1207
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm all out of love. I want to arrest you, right,

1208
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: which is really weird now I think about it. And

1209
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: he said, we can't. You can't have that here and

1210
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: I said, but it was a hit already, it says,

1211
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: yeah in Australia, not in the US. He said, you've

1212
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: got to change that, and he said, what about I'm

1213
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 2: so lost without you? And I sort of think thought

1214
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: about it, you know, and the guy that was my

1215
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: publisher pulled me aside and he said, listen to Clive.

1216
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 2: He said, if you change that line, it'll be the

1217
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: mass the biggest hit you'll ever have, and he said,

1218
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 2: it's up to you. He says, change the line. What

1219
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: the hell you know? And he said, Clive's right, it

1220
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: may not get played, and so I said, okay. So

1221
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: Clive got a credit, a writing credit on the song,

1222
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: and he always donates it to charity. So instead of,

1223
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 2: you know, a part of me said, God, somebody's trying

1224
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 2: to mess with my songs. But then I thought, if

1225
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: it's going to be a big hit, it's going to

1226
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 2: be part of our legacy. So I said, yeah, let's

1227
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 2: do it, you know. And you know, that was the

1228
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: beginning of a great relationship with Clive. But then I learned, whatever,

1229
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: if Clive suggests something, it's not merely a suggestion. He's

1230
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: really telling you that you should do this. And all

1231
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: the artists that he's worked with went through the same thing.

1232
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: I had some stories, you know about that, And there

1233
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: was one Eric Carmen was one of them, and he

1234
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: was on Arista and Clive Clive wanted to wanted him

1235
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: to sing a Billy Joe song. You know, I don't

1236
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: know which one it was, but Eric says, now I'm

1237
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: not doing it, you know. Anyway, he had a single

1238
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 2: coming out and it came in the charts really fat,

1239
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: and I spoke to her, so I know this is true.

1240
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 2: He said, well, if he said, if you don't record

1241
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 2: this song, the single just just come out for you

1242
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: is going to die. And eric'sas now, it came in

1243
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: the chart at like seventy with the bullet. Sure enough,

1244
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: next week it just disappeared. So I learned that Clive

1245
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: likes to have things his way, you know. But by

1246
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: the same token, he gave us a great career, you know,

1247
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: and he's always been very respectful to us and we

1248
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: to him. We've never spoken derogatory about Clive. I mean

1249
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: all the artists he's worked with, whether he has a

1250
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 2: lot to do with their career or not, I mean

1251
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: it's pretty much everybody. But with us, he was great.

1252
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: You know. He came, he flew out. We were mixing

1253
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: the one that you loved, and he wanted to know

1254
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: what was going on with that because this was our

1255
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: second album, which is very important, you know, we'd had

1256
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: threest fives. He flew out to the he came to

1257
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 2: the studio in Los Angeles and he sat right in

1258
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: the middle of the console and he said to Harry,

1259
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 2: who was producing the track. He says, okay, I'm ready

1260
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: to hear it, you know, and he played the one

1261
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: that you look a rough mix and he just sat

1262
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: there with his eyes closed and he didn't say anything

1263
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: for like two minutes. And I said, oh Jesus with one.

1264
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: And he turned around and he said, it's going to

1265
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: go to number one and it'll win. You were grammy,

1266
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: he said, and he said that he walked out and

1267
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: he was right, and we went, oh, okay, that that

1268
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 2: just gave us another ten years on our career, you know.

1269
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: So he was he was something else like.

1270
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Well, you know the first yeah, the hit in Australa yea.

1271
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: And he says, it didn't you know, work with Lyric

1272
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: in America. Now you have success in America. To what

1273
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: degree did he ask you to change or do things

1274
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: that you would not plan to do? Well?

1275
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: After all out of love? There was nothing after that,

1276
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: you know, with the one that you love. He never

1277
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: touched it. He said, it's perfect, it's going to go

1278
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: to number one, and it did. So I think I

1279
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: don't think it was it was never ego with Clive.

1280
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 2: It was just he wanted his way. He was the president.

1281
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: Of Arista Records, which was an independent record company, and

1282
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 2: he had a lot of success with Barry Manilow. And

1283
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 2: you know, we went to see him in New York

1284
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: in the early days in like nineteen eighty or eighty one,

1285
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: because we'd go and he wanted to take us to

1286
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: lunch whenever we were playing in New York. We were

1287
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: in his office and there was this young African American lady,

1288
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: she was really young, waiting to see Clive. It was

1289
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston and and we were you know, we said, oh,

1290
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm Graham and Russell. She knew who we were. She said, oh,

1291
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm really use and I'm I'm going to make a

1292
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: record with Live. And Clive came out and he introduced

1293
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 2: us again to and of course that became history. You know,

1294
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 2: she was just incredible. She was such a she was

1295
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: really young, and she was just bouncing with energy and

1296
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,839
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, she's going to be a big start.

1297
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: And Clive was, you know, she was the new the

1298
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: new kid on the block. I mean we still were too,

1299
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: but that's what he did when he when he got

1300
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: into an artist, it was total and for some reason,

1301
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 2: he just got into us and he loved Lost in

1302
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: Love And I asked him how we found lost enough.

1303
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 2: He said, every every Monday morning he'd have a stack

1304
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: of singles on his desk and he got one. It

1305
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: was Lost in Love from Australia and he said he

1306
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 2: played it and he loved it, and he said, I

1307
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: want to buy this, and he bought the rights to it.

1308
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: And that was it. Once he got into your space

1309
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: and you were agreeing with him, you could do anything.

1310
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 2: You know. He was the man that made careers or

1311
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 2: didn't you know?

1312
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: So how did it end with Clive?

1313
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: Oh? It ended great. I mean we left Arista. Suddenly

1314
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: we weren't in the charts anymore, and we left Arista

1315
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: and we went with Irving as Off. We went from

1316
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: one legend to another one, and Irving was great. But

1317
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: when we left Arista, we left on great terms. And

1318
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: Clive chords. He had a nineteen ninety he had I

1319
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was, something going on at Radio

1320
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: City Music w and he had a lot of big

1321
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: stars and in he called us and he said, would

1322
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 2: you come and play Radio City for me? You know?

1323
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah, So Russell and I went and we

1324
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: did it. We just we played all out of log

1325
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 2: just one guitar and two voices sounded incredible. And then

1326
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: right at the beginning of COVID, uh yeah, he said, well,

1327
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: he called me and I didn't know who it was,

1328
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, and he said, this is Clive. He said,

1329
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: oh really, he said yeah, He said, would you do

1330
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: a zoom thing for us? You know, a friend of

1331
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: his was doing zooms and he had all these big

1332
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: stars singing on zoom. He said, yeah, of course. So

1333
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: we have a great relationship with him. He called me.

1334
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 2: It was his ninetieth birthday and he said, what do

1335
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: you want to come to this party? We couldn't come.

1336
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: We already had shows books. So we have a great

1337
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: relationship with him, which is wonderful, you know. But then

1338
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,440
Speaker 2: we went from Clive to Irving.

1339
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: And how was that experience?

1340
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: It was great, It was wonderful. You know. We went

1341
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: to his label Giant, and it was with him we

1342
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: had with that you became a massive here. And he said,

1343
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: I remember we sat down to a restaurant and we

1344
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: had that album and it sold way over a million

1345
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: copies overseas, which was huge in those days. And we

1346
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: wanted to see if we couldn't record another album. We

1347
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: read it and he said, we said, well, we'd like

1348
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: to record another album, you know, and he said, go

1349
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: and do it. She says, just go and do it,

1350
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: and so we did, and that that was even bigger

1351
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: than the one with without you on it. It was

1352
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: called the Vanishing Race. And so we had great success

1353
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 2: with Irving and he was he was terrific, you know,

1354
01:24:52,439 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: terrific guy.

1355
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back a story. How did you end

1356
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: up leaving the UK for Australia.

1357
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 2: Well, after my mother died, there was two years where

1358
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: my dad was just working. Then suddenly he started seeing

1359
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: another lady, I mean fairy enough. He was still quite young,

1360
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, and then suddenly, without telling us, he got married.

1361
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: You know. So I had a bit of an axe

1362
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: to grind. And suddenly this lady came to our house

1363
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: and he said, we just got married. And she had

1364
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: three children too, and I had two sisters and we

1365
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 2: were all going to live in the house that we had.

1366
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 2: That wasn't a big house. It was two up. Oh,

1367
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: he had won three bedrooms, an attic up on top

1368
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: and then two rooms downstairs in the kitchen. Well, then

1369
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: my eldest sister decided to leave and my other sister,

1370
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 2: who was four years older than me, decided to get

1371
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: married because she didn't want to live with another person

1372
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: in the house. And I really resented it. And you know,

1373
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: my dad's knew wife, whose name was Dorothy, had three children,

1374
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 2: so they came into the house. So suddenly I had

1375
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: to give my bedroom. I was sharing my bedroom with

1376
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 2: two other boys that I didn't care for. And then

1377
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: they started to talk about going to Australia, and I said,

1378
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm not really into that. I was doing very well

1379
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: at school, you know, academically, I was really doing well,

1380
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: writing my songs and everything was great. Then suddenly he said, well,

1381
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: we've actually got a date to leave for Australia and

1382
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: it's in like a month, and I said really, And

1383
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: I didn't want to go. So when it came time,

1384
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: when the night before they were going to leave, they

1385
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 2: were going to go on the boat before they were

1386
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: going to leave for Southampton on the train to get

1387
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 2: on the boat, I said, I'm going to say goodbye

1388
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: to my school friends. And I had a little rocksack

1389
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 2: on my back and I left and I ran away

1390
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: and I never saw him for five years, and only

1391
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 2: two people knew where I was. I couldn't tell anybody,

1392
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: even my closest friend at school. I couldn't tell because

1393
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: I knew if he was questioned by the police, he

1394
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: would tell him where I was. So I didn't tell.

1395
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: Only two people knew, and for two days I went underground.

1396
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 2: You remember, I was fourteen years old, you know, I

1397
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 2: had no money, but I just didn't want to go

1398
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 2: to Australia and I didn't want to go with his

1399
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 2: new wife and their kids. Then I found out that

1400
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 2: my dad left. He went, so that was the biggest

1401
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 2: relief for me. So then I was on my own

1402
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: and I went to my live with an aunt an uncle.

1403
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 2: Then I went to live with another art and uncle.

1404
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 2: I got passed around, you know, and then I started

1405
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 2: to I had a girlfriend and I was seventeen. She

1406
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: got pregnant and I had a son. Seventeen years old,

1407
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: I had a son, and we decided to go to

1408
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: Australia on our own terms. My sister had already gone

1409
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 2: as well, and so we decided to go. And interestingly enough,

1410
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: I was ready to go. Then musically I was playing

1411
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 2: drums in this band going Nowhere and do It, playing

1412
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: songs I didn't want to play, and I thought it

1413
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 2: would be a nice change and maybe an Australian an

1414
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: English musician might have some chance in Australia. So I

1415
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 2: went there and everything was cool. I lived with my

1416
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 2: sister and her husband, and you know, my dad never

1417
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: mentioned anything about me running away ever, even to the data.

1418
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: He never mentioned it, and neither did his new wife.

1419
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: And I never really thought about it. And we became

1420
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 2: very close as a family because I had my family,

1421
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 2: and I started playing guitar and writing songs. Still, I

1422
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 2: was playing in pizza parlors and I was making a

1423
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 2: decent living. I was doing okay, you know, and that's

1424
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 2: but that's how I went to Australia with a family.

1425
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: So playing in pizza parlors, you could support your wife

1426
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: and young child.

1427
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. So one story, I don't mean to interrup,

1428
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: but we went to a this place called Papa's Pizza,

1429
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: which is where we lived, and I I saw her

1430
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: in the corner. They had this little dice about four

1431
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: feet square diace and I said to the guy, the

1432
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: manager that said, what's that over there? He said, it's

1433
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 2: a it's a little dice. He said. We used to

1434
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 2: have a singer songwriter come in and not a singer songwriter,

1435
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: a singer come in and play cover songs. I said, well,

1436
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 2: you don't do it any much as now. He left

1437
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: and I never got around to it. He said, would

1438
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: you be interested in I mean, somebody come in and play?

1439
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: He said yeah. He said, do you know anybody? I

1440
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: said yeah, I said it's me, And so I went

1441
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: there and after and he really liked I was playing

1442
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 2: some cover songs Neil Young, you know, Van Morrison, and

1443
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 2: a lot of my songs. But the people there didn't

1444
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: care what it was. They just wanted some music. A

1445
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: lot of kids throwing pizza around and slurping everything. But

1446
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: I was making decent money there, and he said to

1447
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:00,480
Speaker 2: me one about after two or three weeks, he said,

1448
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,480
Speaker 2: would you be interested in playing at other Popper's pizzas?

1449
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Because there was a lot of it was a chain.

1450
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: I said yeah, sure, I said, okay, would you be

1451
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 2: interested in playing five nights at different ones? I said absolutely?

1452
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 2: So I got paid and I got a big giant

1453
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: pizza to take home for dinner. So I ended up

1454
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: playing at all these Popper's pizzas, and I was making

1455
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: a pretty decent living for then, you know, And I

1456
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: was playing a lot of my own songs, some covers

1457
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: which I played really well. And then I used to

1458
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 2: start making songs up on the spot because nobody cared anyway,

1459
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 2: and the kids really liked me. They come up and

1460
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: pull faces and I would do the same thing, and

1461
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: I went down really well and you got great reports.

1462
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: And then I started to play universities at lunch time

1463
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 2: and making even more money. And I played folk club

1464
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: so I got a bit of a following. So that

1465
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: how it began for me.

1466
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, so you never from the moment you landed

1467
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: in Australia, you didn't get a street job. You just

1468
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: started making music.

1469
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: I did have a straight job yet, and the job

1470
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 2: I had, which I loved, It was the best job

1471
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 2: I ever had, except for a supply. And I needed

1472
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 2: a job where I could finish early because my wife

1473
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: at the time was one was working, so I needed

1474
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 2: to look after my son, who was five years old,

1475
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: and then we had a daughter too that was one

1476
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: one year old. I needed to look after them in

1477
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: the day so I could play at night. So I

1478
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 2: got a job delivering bread in a truck. You know,

1479
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: people want bread early, so I started at four o'clock.

1480
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: By seven o'clock seven point thirty, I was finished and

1481
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 2: I could go home, get to sleep, look after the kids,

1482
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 2: and then when my wife came home, I could have

1483
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 2: a nap, oh go and play do my papa's pizza.

1484
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 2: But I had to be in bed early because I

1485
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: was getting up at three thirty every day. But I

1486
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,759
Speaker 2: loved it because I was my young boss. My round

1487
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: was in the mountains in the Dandinong's a mountain range

1488
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: in Victoria, Australia, and I loved it. I was on

1489
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 2: my own. I could smell beautiful trees early in the morning.

1490
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: All these weird creatures would make all these weird sounds,

1491
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,879
Speaker 2: and I was finished early. I would meet the butcher.

1492
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 2: We'd swap bread for meat and dairy and all kinds

1493
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 2: of things. It was a wonderful job. I loved it

1494
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 2: so much. I was really sad when I left. But

1495
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 2: I left to go into Superstar. So that's what that

1496
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 2: was my main job.

1497
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: So tell me about how you ended up going into

1498
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Jesus Great Superstar.

1499
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 2: Well, when I was doing my bread run, I was

1500
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: driving my car in the day after I got back

1501
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 2: from my bread run, and I had this really weird

1502
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 2: feeling come over me, and this is true, it's a

1503
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 2: bit weird. I had this incredible feeling welling up from

1504
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: my feet up through my whole body, and I started

1505
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: to cry, like profusely, and I thought I was having

1506
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 2: a heart attack. I had to pull over. I couldn't drive.

1507
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 2: I was crying and making this ridiculous noise and I

1508
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: didn't know what was happening to me. And I pulled

1509
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 2: over and I had my head in my hands, and

1510
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 2: suddenly I lost all hearing. I couldn't hear anything, and

1511
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: all I could see the car that I was in disappeared.

1512
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: I was just sitting there. Everything was quiet, and it

1513
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: went kind of a gray, misty color. And over there

1514
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: to the right, I saw this figure and he was

1515
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 2: off the ground. He was about three or four feet

1516
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: off the ground and he was and he had a

1517
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 2: beard and a big, long, you know, white rope and

1518
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 2: he came over in front of where the car was,

1519
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: and I thought, I remember thinking to myself, don't look

1520
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: at me. I will freak, you know. I didn't want

1521
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 2: him to look at me. And he came over. He

1522
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 2: stood right in the middle of the of where the

1523
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 2: road was, and he turned to look at me and

1524
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm dying, but I couldn't move. I'm crying profusely. I

1525
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,480
Speaker 2: had this incredible feeling over me that I'd never experienced

1526
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 2: until then or since. It was this incredible feeling of love.

1527
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 2: And he looked at me. He didn't say anything, but

1528
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: I knew what he was saying, and he said, not speaking,

1529
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 2: he just I knew what he was saying. He said,

1530
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 2: it's not time for you yet, and I don't know

1531
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 2: what it meant. And after he said that, he carried

1532
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 2: on off the ground, just floating, and he disappeared. And

1533
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 2: then gradually the car came back and I could hear things,

1534
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 2: but I had this incredible feeling and it stayed with me,

1535
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: and I went home. I didn't tell my wife Linda

1536
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 2: about it for some time because I couldn't. I couldn't.

1537
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was. I thought I was

1538
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 2: dying or something. But I had this incredible feeling, and

1539
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 2: I started to reach I wanted to read some books,

1540
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: so I started a couple of religious books. And then

1541
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: this friend of mine that was a guitar player too,

1542
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 2: who I used to speak every couple of weeks, speaks

1543
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 2: on the phone every couple of weeks. He came to

1544
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: my house and he said, he said, I don't know why,

1545
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: but I could have called you, but I needed to

1546
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 2: come and I have to tell you something. I said,

1547
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 2: what's that. He said, there's a lady. Her name's Dorothy Whittle,

1548
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 2: and he said she's a friend of mine and she

1549
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 2: has a book for you, and you need to go

1550
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 2: and see her. I didn't know who she was. I

1551
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 2: went to her house and then she was about seventy,

1552
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: this little lady from the north of England, beautiful, beautiful soul.

1553
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 2: And she said, you've had a weird experience r I said, yeah,

1554
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: I have. She said, I got some books for you

1555
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: to read, and I said, okay. I said, that's what

1556
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm looking for. So I became a verac reader. When

1557
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,480
Speaker 2: I came home, would come home from my bread run,

1558
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: I'd read a book every day and it was, you know,

1559
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 2: on Comparative Religion, the first book I ever I read

1560
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 2: on it was it was a religious book, but I

1561
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 2: wasn't a religious person and I'm still not. It was

1562
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 2: the power of positive thinking. But it changed my whole life.

1563
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 2: And I read it and I needed more, and I

1564
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:34,839
Speaker 2: read book after book after book trying to find an answer.

1565
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 2: And then one day I went to Dorothy's house because

1566
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 2: she lived near where my work was, so i'd go

1567
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: to her place and she became like a library for me,

1568
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 2: and I would swap books. She said when I went

1569
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 2: there wondering, she said, did you see they had for

1570
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 2: Superstar in the paper? I said, no, I haven't seen it.

1571
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 2: She said, they're advertising for singers and in dancers and stuff.

1572
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 2: I said, oh, really, I said, that's not my thing.

1573
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: I'm not singer, I'm not a dancer. And she said,

1574
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 2: she said, listen to me, if you go to that show,

1575
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 2: it'll change your life. And when I knew enough to

1576
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 2: know when she said something, I needed to listen, and

1577
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: I said, really, she said, it will change your life.

1578
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 2: So I went. I got the paper, I looked at

1579
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 2: the thing. I called them up, and I asked for

1580
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 2: an audition date and I got an audition. I didn't

1581
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 2: know what to sing, so I picked a song and

1582
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: I went to the audition. There were hundreds of people

1583
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: there waiting to get in, and I thought, oh, the

1584
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: chances of me getting an audition, not even getting a part,

1585
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 2: so remote. But because she told me to do it,

1586
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: I stuck it out and I waited. I did my audition.

1587
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 2: It took about three minutes. I said thank you and

1588
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 2: I was done, and I thought, thank god, that's over.

1589
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 2: I followed through and I thought, great, now I can

1590
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,799
Speaker 2: get on with my life. And I didn't let Dorothy down.

1591
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, I get a cool this is Superstar

1592
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 2: of the Office from Superstar. We're offering you a part

1593
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 2: in the show. You have to leave in two weeks.

1594
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:18,719
Speaker 2: There's a month rehearsal in Sydney and you'll be gone

1595
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 2: for eighteen months to two years. Can you take the job?

1596
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 2: And they told me how much I was going to

1597
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 2: get and I said yes, and I was on top

1598
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: of the world. My whole life had changed suddenly. I

1599
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 2: was going to be a professional singer, not singing my songs,

1600
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 2: but singing Superstar music, which is incredible. And so I

1601
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: go the first day of rehearsal, I meet this guy

1602
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 2: with the big afro and we sing together for the

1603
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 2: first time and I hear and it was Russell. Of course,

1604
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 2: we hadn't even met nobody, knew anybody in the room

1605
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 2: and he was sat next to me and I went,

1606
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 2: I said, after the rehearse, I said, what an incredible voice.

1607
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 2: You have. He said, oh, really, thank you, He said,

1608
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 2: I've never really sung much before. I said, you sign incredible.

1609
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 2: But an alarm went off in my brain and it said,

1610
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 2: you need to meet him, you need to work with him.

1611
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 2: Because I knew how to write songs, not hit songs

1612
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 2: at that point, but I was never a singer, and

1613
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 2: I knew it. You know, I didn't want to be

1614
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: a lead singer, but this guy was. And we became

1615
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 2: such incredible friends from the very first moment we met.

1616
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 2: It was a pluncanny. We had so much in common.

1617
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, we have the same name,

1618
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 2: We're born three days apart. Neither of us had a brother.

1619
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: We had a sister. I had two sisters, and you know,

1620
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,799
Speaker 2: we didn't have anything else. We grew up with nothing

1621
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 2: and we just hit it off. You know. It was uncanny,

1622
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 2: and that's how that's how it all began.

1623
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: Okay, what did your wife say when you said you

1624
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: were going to go on the road for eighteen months.

1625
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 2: I must say she was incredibly supportive. She had we

1626
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 2: had two kids, but I was going to make a

1627
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 2: lot of money, well for me then, you know, I

1628
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 2: was assured of making a decent wage and she liked

1629
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 2: that it wasn't any uncertainty, and she was so supportive,

1630
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 2: and I said, I want you to come with me

1631
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 2: when we start touring, not in rehearsal. We were in

1632
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 2: rehearsal for Sydney for a month, but when we went

1633
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 2: we started in New Zealand, and I said, you're coming

1634
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 2: with me, and she did, and she brought the kids

1635
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 2: and straight away she got a job in the show

1636
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 2: selling programs, and so she was earning money. We had

1637
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 2: a babysitter for the kids. Then then she got into

1638
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 2: the office because she was in accounting. She was really

1639
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 2: good too, so she took a job selling programs, became

1640
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: really good at that, and then she ended up in

1641
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 2: the office. So she went all over with Superstar working.

1642
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 2: So that was great. The family were there and during

1643
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 2: that time, even from the very early days when I

1644
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 2: met Russell, we said are you inter forming a bat

1645
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 2: and he says, yeah, I'm into it. And he said

1646
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 2: to me, she said, bro, I don't want to write

1647
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 2: any songs, and I don't write songs. I just want

1648
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 2: to sing. And I said that's perfect. I'll write the

1649
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 2: songs and you sing. And it was the most perfect

1650
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 2: scenario that we could even actually, and we were both

1651
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 2: green as grass. We didn't know what we were doing,

1652
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 2: but we just knew we wanted to do it, and

1653
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: that's how it began. And it went from there, you know.

1654
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So what was the experience of being in Superstar

1655
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: like and how did that end?

1656
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 2: Well? I knew when we went in that we were

1657
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 2: going to be guaranteed eighteen months, maybe longer. But I

1658
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 2: also knew that Superstar at that time, in nineteen seventy

1659
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 2: five was a big, big show. It was when it

1660
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 2: came to Towan, it took over all the media, all

1661
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 2: the papers, and I knew that it was a stepping

1662
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 2: stone for us. We had to make use of it.

1663
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 2: We had to use Superstar. So straight away we got

1664
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 2: we started singing my songs and a couple of other

1665
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 2: cover songs, and we started and we had the lady,

1666
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 2: another lady in the show that actually got the role

1667
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: of Mary eventually, but she was I knew her from

1668
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 2: before my Papa's Pizza days. She was in the show.

1669
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 2: She had a great voice, and she came in with

1670
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 2: us and we had a little trio three part harmonies

1671
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 2: Lack Crosby, Stills and Nash I was playing guitar, Russ

1672
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: was playing congers, and we sang all these songs, ninety

1673
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 2: nine percent of in with my songs, and we sounded

1674
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 2: fabulous and people would come by the dress room and say, God,

1675
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: you guys sound good. And we started. I would call

1676
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 2: clubs wherever we were in New Zealand say, we're from Superstar.

1677
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,799
Speaker 2: We have a little act. Can we come and play? Yeah?

1678
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 2: Of course, because it was a big draw Superstar, we would.

1679
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 2: They would pay us to come and play. We'd do

1680
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 2: an hour set and we sounded so good, and that

1681
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 2: just grew and grew. We ended up doing making videos.

1682
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 2: People would come up to us and say, do you

1683
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 2: want to make a video? Yeah, let us do it,

1684
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 2: and we got this reputation of being with Superstar.

1685
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Superstar plays every night. When were

1686
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 1: you playing these.

1687
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Gigs, the show would end about ten point fifteen. We

1688
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 2: go to a club at eleven o'clock and play pretty

1689
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: much every night. So we got really good at doing this.

1690
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 2: And we were young. We didn't care if if we

1691
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 2: got tired or anything. You know, we weren't We weren't

1692
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 2: doing any drugs, we weren't drinking or anything. We were

1693
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 2: just wanted to play, and we were really good at it,

1694
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 2: and everybody in the show was noticing and they come

1695
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 2: and see, say, god, you guys great. Then suddenly Chrissy

1696
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 2: got the role of Mary. They fired Mary. She got

1697
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 2: the role of Mary Magdan, so she couldn't sing with

1698
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 2: us anymore. So when we got to Brisbane, they high

1699
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 2: had another three people and one of them was this guy,

1700
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 2: Jeremy Paul and he was a bass player and he

1701
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 2: had a great voice. He was our age and we

1702
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,600
Speaker 2: said to him, do you want to step in and

1703
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 2: sing with us? And he says, yeah, I'd love to,

1704
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 2: and that that became a supply. That was the first

1705
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 2: one and we made we were We made a demo

1706
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 2: in the pit of Superstar, using the show's drummer and

1707
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:31,480
Speaker 2: the show's keyboard player. We recorded two of my songs

1708
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 2: on a cassette and you know, talk about low fi.

1709
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: We just did it live on a little portable cassette

1710
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 2: machine and it sounded amazing. It was no high fire

1711
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 2: or anything, but it sounded great. Russell's voice was incredible,

1712
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 2: and we took that little cassette we only had one

1713
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 2: copy around to all the record companies and they all

1714
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 2: said no. And then the last one we took it

1715
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 2: to was CBS Records, and it was a guy that

1716
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 2: had just been made a producer for CBS. He was

1717
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:11,799
Speaker 2: already a famous producer. He had a lot of success

1718
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: with other artists. And he listened to it and he said,

1719
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 2: he said, this kind of music isn't isn't happening. But

1720
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 2: he said, something's telling me to sign you guys that

1721
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. And he signed us

1722
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 2: and we made it. We made a single, and we

1723
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 2: made the album in a week and the single came out,

1724
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 2: it screamed up the charts. It was the biggest hit

1725
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 2: of the year. And nobody knew who we were because

1726
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 2: we were still in the show. And he before the

1727
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 2: record came out, he said, we didn't have a name,

1728
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 2: and he said, what are you going to call yourself?

1729
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 2: We said, we don't know. He said, I need a

1730
01:48:55,280 --> 01:49:00,679
Speaker 2: name by tomorrow morning. So that night we were trying

1731
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 2: to think of names, and I had a dream, and

1732
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 2: this is a true story. I dreamt of a big

1733
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 2: billboard and it was pure white and on the perimeter

1734
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,879
Speaker 2: with flashing lights or strokes and neon lights going crazy,

1735
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 2: and in the middle of the billboard in big black letters.

1736
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,759
Speaker 2: It said air supply. And I told Russell and Jeremy

1737
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 2: in the morning, I said, I don't know what this means,

1738
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 2: but I had this really vivid dream and they said, well,

1739
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 2: we haven't got any names either, let's go with it.

1740
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 2: So that's how we got the name. And that's that's

1741
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 2: it began right there, and the record was going to

1742
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 2: come out, and the producers said, Peter Dawkins was wonderful person.

1743
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 2: He said, there's a friend of his wants to play

1744
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: the song at like nine o'clock at night the first time.

1745
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 2: He said, he's given him the right to be the

1746
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 2: first one to play, and so we all wait. You know.

1747
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 2: It was a Sunday, so we were doing a superstar

1748
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 2: show and the guy said, yeah, I've got this band.

1749
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 2: It says, I'm going to play this record first time

1750
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world. You know, I'm going to play it,

1751
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 2: and then I hope you're listening, guys, here here we go,

1752
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 2: you know. So he played it and it sounded amazing,

1753
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 2: you know, first time he had heard a song on

1754
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:30,680
Speaker 2: the radio. And about half an hour later he said,

1755
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 2: my fans have gone berserk. He says, I've got to

1756
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 2: play this song again, and he played it about ten

1757
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 2: times that night and his phones just lit up. Everybody

1758
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 2: wanted that song, and within two weeks it was in

1759
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 2: the top ten. So suddenly this band called Air Supply,

1760
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 2: we're getting all these plays and it became a big, big,

1761
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 2: big hit. It became a classic song in Australia.

1762
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, So how do you then with Superstar? And

1763
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 1: then you made a couple of records before you know,

1764
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: Clive picked up.

1765
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 2: We did well Superstar. We were told it was going

1766
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 2: to end, so we had about a month's notice, but

1767
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: our record was in the charts when it Superstar ended,

1768
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: so we were pretty happy about it. We were ready

1769
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 2: to make that move, and so we made the move.

1770
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: And they had a show called Superstars in Rock or

1771
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: the two big stars were Trevor White and John English

1772
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:39,759
Speaker 2: who played Jesus and Judas, and they were the biggest

1773
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 2: stars in Australia. We become really good friends with them.

1774
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 2: So we were on their show Superstars in Rock, and

1775
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 2: we opened the show and we pretty much stole the show.

1776
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 2: We had top five songs and then suddenly were going,

1777
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 2: oh wow, this isn't a supply. We know who they

1778
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 2: were and so we played with them for about six

1779
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:06,919
Speaker 2: weeks all around Australia. Then we started our own shows.

1780
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:10,799
Speaker 2: So Superstar ended and we went straight into our supply.

1781
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 2: One of the first shows we played on our own

1782
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 2: after we played with John with Superstars in Rock was

1783
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 2: at the Opera House and New Year's Eve on the

1784
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 2: steps of the Opera House, and there were ninety thousand

1785
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 2: people there. We weren't the only act on the build.

1786
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 2: There were a lot of other big acts, but nevertheless

1787
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 2: it was our first big show to a lot of people,

1788
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 2: and we were like whoa, we were so green, we

1789
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 2: had no idea what we do. We hastily put a

1790
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 2: band together and we went on tour and that's how

1791
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 2: it all began. So Superstar ended and air supply began.

1792
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:51,520
Speaker 1: Okay, how'd you end up in Los Angeles?

1793
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 2: Brook, Well, we had a two or three big hits.

1794
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Next year we were touring in Australia, big hits, but

1795
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 2: we couldn't really make any money. And in the end

1796
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: we we said, God, what are we going to do?

1797
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 2: You know? And then suddenly Rod Stewart was touring and

1798
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 2: we were asked to open for him because we were

1799
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 2: like the biggest band in Australia at the time, so

1800
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: we opened for him. After the first show, Rod came

1801
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:37,599
Speaker 2: to our dressing room personally and he said, I want

1802
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 2: I want you to open for me in the US

1803
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 2: next year, and we went what we couldn't believe it,

1804
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 2: but he meant it, and so we went to the US.

1805
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: We opened for Rod. We did about sixty shows and

1806
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 2: we everything was happening for us so fast, and we thought, oh,

1807
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 2: this is it, We're going to break wide open, but

1808
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 2: we didn't. But we learned from Rod. We watched this

1809
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: show every night. We became really good friends, and we

1810
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 2: learned so much from him, just about an audience, how

1811
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 2: to handle big audiences. We played everywhere, we opened for him,

1812
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 2: Madison Square, Gardens, everywhere. But then we got we got

1813
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 2: dropped after you know, when that tour ended, we were

1814
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 2: back in Australia and we had no hope. We had

1815
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 2: no shows to do, we had no band, we had nothing.

1816
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 2: We were broke, and I went I decided to go

1817
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 2: away and I just wanted to write some songs on

1818
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 2: my own. So I went to a friend's place in

1819
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 2: Adelaide to get away from everything, and I started to

1820
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 2: write some songs and then I over six month period.

1821
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 2: I called Russell up and I said, I think I've

1822
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 2: got some interesting songs, you know, And he came down

1823
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 2: on a bus. He took her like a twenty two

1824
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 2: hour bus ride to come and see me. And the

1825
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 2: first song I played him was lost in Love, and

1826
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 2: I thought lost in It was a good song, but

1827
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 2: he said stop. He said, this is the song that's

1828
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 2: going to change it for us. I said really, he

1829
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 2: said yeah. I played him that, and I played him

1830
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 2: a few of the songs, Chances, all out of Love.

1831
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 2: He said, okay, let's do it again. Let's put a

1832
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 2: band together. So we did. We released an album we

1833
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: Lost in Love on it. It became a big hit,

1834
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 2: but we still weren't making any money. We had a

1835
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 2: gold album, twenty thousand copies of an album, but we

1836
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 2: weren't making anything. We couldn't afford to do anything. So

1837
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 2: I decided, well, we both decided to stop. I wanted

1838
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 2: to go to this music festival in Cannes, in the

1839
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 2: south of France, so I sold a couple of guitars

1840
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 2: to get to go there to try and sell some songs.

1841
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 2: I get to can and I got food poisoning. I

1842
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 2: couldn't get out of bed for three days. I thought

1843
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 2: I was going to die. And by the time I

1844
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 2: got out of bed and walked down the street, the

1845
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 2: whole festival was over. It was done. And I thought, okay,

1846
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 2: here we go. Just my look. And then there was

1847
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 2: a copy of Record World was blowing down the street.

1848
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: It's all rubbish blowing. Every everybody had left, and I

1849
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 2: picked I thought, okay, I picked it up. I picked

1850
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: it up. On the front cover it said lost in Love.

1851
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 2: I turned to page five. This song is destined to

1852
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 2: go all the Way? And I thought, oh great, somebody,

1853
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: somebody's written a song called lost in Love, which is

1854
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 2: our biggest chance of anything. And I thought everything. I

1855
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 2: thought we were sunk. But I turned to page five

1856
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 2: and there's a picture of Russell and myself there on

1857
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 2: that page, and it said air supply going to go

1858
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 2: all the way and is an article by Clive Davis.

1859
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 2: He'd licensed the song without our knowledge. So I thought, WHOA,

1860
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 2: what's going on here? I called Clive, who I didn't know,

1861
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 2: and I reversed the chargers. Because I had no money.

1862
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 2: I called him at Arista Records. He was in I

1863
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 2: called New York. He said he's in Los Angeles. I said,

1864
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 2: can you give me the number? He gave me the number.

1865
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 2: I reversed the chargers. He accepted and he said, are

1866
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 2: you from air Supply? I said yeah. He said what

1867
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 2: where are I said, I'm in the side of France.

1868
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 2: He said, what are you doing there? Get back to Australia.

1869
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 2: We need that album. He said, Lost in Love's going

1870
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 2: to be the biggest song of the year. But as

1871
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 2: soon as I heard that, I knew everything was going

1872
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 2: to be okay. But on my way back, I went

1873
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 2: through Los Angeles. I said, can I come and meet

1874
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 2: you to tell me that this is all for real?

1875
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, come on, we'll have lunch. I

1876
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 2: went to the Bevery Hills Hotel and his bungalow lunch

1877
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,960
Speaker 2: and he kept it and said, you've got to get

1878
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 2: out of it. Get back to Australia, get that album

1879
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 2: right now. And so I went back. We made the

1880
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 2: album and then everything after that became history.

1881
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, Just a couple of questions after the

1882
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 1: Rod Stewart tour, Yeah, did you and Russell think you

1883
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: were going to continue?

1884
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 2: No? We well, we weren't going to give up, but

1885
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 2: we just had no money. You know. Russell was working

1886
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:51,879
Speaker 2: on videos with other artists with a fog machine, sticking

1887
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 2: a fog machine in a bass drum. And he was

1888
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 2: actually on a little riverband video for reminiscing, and he's

1889
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 2: sticking the fog machine in the base room. And they

1890
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 2: knew he was a singer, and they said, and what

1891
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 2: are you doing here? You need to get to the

1892
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 2: US because they were a huge little rivermand But I

1893
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 2: just needed to earn some money. I had two children,

1894
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I wasn't making any money. I needed

1895
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 2: to do something. So the only thing I should think

1896
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 2: of was to sell songs. And somebody recorded Lost in

1897
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 2: Love in Europe, a Greek artist called Demise Rusos, and

1898
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 2: it was a big hit all over Europe. So I

1899
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 2: made a little bit, a few thousand dollars from that.

1900
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 2: But I thought, I've got to sell all the songs.

1901
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 2: I've got to earn a living, you know. But that

1902
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:47,680
Speaker 2: was the only way I could think of. I had

1903
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 2: no skills. I wasn't a tradesman or anything. I had nothing,

1904
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 2: you know. The only skill I had was I knew

1905
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 2: how to write songs, but I was unknown. Nobody wanted

1906
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 2: to buy songs from me, I was unknown.

1907
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:03,360
Speaker 1: How did it end with your first wife?

1908
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, when I went with Rod, you know, she knew

1909
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 2: I was going to be gone for six months, which

1910
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:13,840
Speaker 2: I was, and we kind of knew it was going

1911
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 2: to come to an end, you know, we both realized it.

1912
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 2: And once I was there for a month and two months,

1913
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 2: you know, she said, I'm going to go back to

1914
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 2: England and she went back to England with the kids

1915
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 2: and we were okay with it. I said, yeah, it's

1916
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 2: a different vibe now, isn't it. She said, yeah, it is.

1917
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Speaker 2: But she was never antagonistic. She was always very supportive

1918
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 2: and I must give her that, and I always have.

1919
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 2: You know. She was wonderful and the only thing that

1920
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 2: was important to us was the children, making sure they

1921
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 2: were okay, and they were, you know, I would see them.

1922
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:56,400
Speaker 2: I went to England to see them. I threw them

1923
02:00:56,400 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 2: out to Australia all the time, and I always wanted

1924
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 2: to maintain a great relationship with them. And now they're

1925
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 2: in the fifties, so I have a great relationship with them.

1926
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Speaker 1: You know, what are they doing.

1927
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 2: My son lives in Tennessee. He works on a big

1928
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 2: ranch actually, and my daughter lives in Brisbane, Australia, and

1929
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 2: she worked for the government on ecosystems and things like that.

1930
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 2: So they're doing really well. They You know, I have

1931
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 2: six grandchildren, so life has been good to me. You know.

1932
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 2: There was that time around Rod's time where I thought,

1933
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 2: oh god, I've got no money, I'm losing my family,

1934
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 2: I've got no prospects. But right when it was darkest,

1935
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 2: there was a light shining. You know.

1936
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,520
Speaker 1: So are those the only two kids you have?

1937
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Speaker 2: Yeah? They are. Yeah. I didn't want to go through

1938
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 2: it all again, you know, but you ultimately got red, Ma,

1939
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 2: I did. Yes.

1940
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 1: So how did you meet your new wife?

1941
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 2: She was at a show in Rockford, Illinois with her mother.

1942
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:16,280
Speaker 2: She was quite young, and somehow she got backstage and

1943
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:18,880
Speaker 2: we swapped her dresses and I said I'd love to

1944
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 2: She was like sixteen. I said I'd love to write

1945
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 2: to you, you know. And we wrote to each other

1946
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 2: for two years. And when she was nineteen, they were

1947
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:35,880
Speaker 2: looking for somebody to shoot the video of making love

1948
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 2: out nothing at all, and they couldn't find anybody. And

1949
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:40,800
Speaker 2: they said to me, do you know anybody this young

1950
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:46,440
Speaker 2: blonde lady that's kind of very good looking and attractive

1951
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 2: and I said, as a matter of fact, I do,

1952
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 2: and they called her and they said we want, we

1953
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,920
Speaker 2: want you to come out and be in that video.

1954
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:59,840
Speaker 2: And when she came out, we we final in love

1955
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 2: because we were thrown together for the first time to

1956
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 2: fun in Love. We got engaged and we got married

1957
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 2: when she was twenty one and ever since.

1958
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:15,200
Speaker 1: Wow, just one other thing, going back to Rod's do

1959
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: it you did all those dates, no one came up

1960
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 1: and said, wait, wait, I don't want to sign you.

1961
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:22,760
Speaker 1: There's something going on here.

1962
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 2: Well, we were signed to CBS because we were signed

1963
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 2: to CBS Australia and CBS in the United States were

1964
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 2: really handed us. They were given us. They had to

1965
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:41,000
Speaker 2: look after us, you know, and they really didn't want to.

1966
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:43,680
Speaker 2: They didn't see any future for us. So you know,

1967
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 2: our album wasn't in the stores. We never did any

1968
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 2: press or any interviews. They just didn't want anything to

1969
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 2: do with us. We just happened to be on their

1970
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 2: label and they were handed us and that they had

1971
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 2: to do something with us, but they never did. There

1972
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 2: was nobody that came to the show said hey, guys,

1973
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,200
Speaker 2: let's release a single. They never released anything. The album

1974
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:09,800
Speaker 2: was released, but nothing happened. They just didn't want anything

1975
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 2: to do with it, you know.

1976
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, it was a typical opening act deal.

1977
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,240
Speaker 1: The money was so poor that at the end of

1978
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 1: the tour there was nothing.

1979
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:22,720
Speaker 2: Left, nothing left. I think we made maybe five hundred

1980
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 2: dollars a show. But I must say Rad and his

1981
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 2: entourage really did the right thing. You know. We never

1982
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:31,200
Speaker 2: had a sound check. We were just got thrown on.

1983
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 2: I mean, this is his show, you know. But we

1984
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 2: were fortunate enough to be opening for the biggest act

1985
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 2: in the world. We didn't make any money, but we

1986
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,920
Speaker 2: became good friends with his whole entourage. We would he

1987
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 2: we would have dinners with them all night, so you know,

1988
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:51,720
Speaker 2: suddenly we'd be I mean, we were nobody, you know.

1989
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:54,360
Speaker 2: Then we'd be having dinner with the biggest act in

1990
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 2: the world at a posh hotel and we'd never been

1991
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:03,880
Speaker 2: used to eating whatever we felt like or drinking fine wise,

1992
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 2: and we would say, you know, we can we have

1993
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 2: this this or that, and they say, whatever you want,

1994
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, And it was pretty much two or three

1995
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:16,880
Speaker 2: nights a week was like that. So we really were

1996
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 2: looked after, and they did the right thing with us,

1997
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 2: which was incredible. They could have just you know, they

1998
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,000
Speaker 2: didn't need to have us open for them. They didn't

1999
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 2: need us. We needed them. And you would imagine that

2000
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 2: we would break after doing sixty shows with them, but

2001
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 2: we just didn't. And it was meant on reflection that

2002
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,520
Speaker 2: it was meant for us to get in the trenches,

2003
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:47,120
Speaker 2: go back and learn your craft. We'd learned a lot

2004
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 2: from Superstar, we'd learned a lot from being with Rod.

2005
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:54,280
Speaker 2: Now we had to learn to be ourselves and to

2006
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:58,400
Speaker 2: get ready for the success that was coming our way.

2007
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,120
Speaker 2: But we didn't even know it.

2008
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, Well, we've learned a lot here, Graham. Today,

2009
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 1: I think that we've covered the surface at least of

2010
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: what's going on, and I think we're gonna stop it here.

2011
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for taking the time with

2012
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: my audience, Bobby.

2013
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 2: It's been such a pleasure. Thank you for the invitation.

2014
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 2: When they first had always it's going to be two hours,

2015
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:26,120
Speaker 2: I thought, God, I don't know if I can sit

2016
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:29,400
Speaker 2: still for two hours, but I managed to do it

2017
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 2: and it's been fantastic. Thank you so much.

2018
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:35,160
Speaker 3: Well, you know, once we hit the groove there, you know,

2019
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,000
Speaker 3: it's like you you start telling this stray, I can

2020
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 3: as I say we can talk all day. I got

2021
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:42,720
Speaker 3: a few more questions, but we're gonna leave it here

2022
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:43,720
Speaker 3: for now.

2023
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll see on the road at some point, I hope.

2024
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 2: So, I hope you come and see how show it again?

2025
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:53,160
Speaker 1: Right? In any event, till next time. This is Bob

2026
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 1: Leftstock