WEBVTT - Oops, All Voicemail 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.079 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:25.800 production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.360 My name is Matt, my name is Null. Our compatriot 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.800 Ben is a way on on adventures what he would 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.520 call adventures, and we would incur our in fact adventures. Ah, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.000 and that makes this a slightly different version of stuff 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.279 they don't want you to know. It feels weird, always does, 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.920 always does when Ben is gone. But hey, guess what. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.240 As always we're joined by our superproducer, Paul Mission controlled decant. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.400 You are still you and you're apparently right here, So 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.600 that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.680 Can I still be me? Uh? Don't answer that. Let's 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.760 put a pin in that one. This is fun that 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.080 we've done this before when Ben's been away on adventures 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.440 where we this is not a typical day of the 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.640 week where you would normally hear our listener mail episode. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.640 But you know what, we don't believe in calendars here 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.280 and stuff they don't want you to know. We throw 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.240 those things out because it's all it's all sham anyway, 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.039 if you've listened to our recent episode on calendars, Uh, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.640 we're gonna do a listener mail episode today. But it's 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.120 different because you may notice that in our typical weekly 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.160 listener mail episodes we sort of do a smattering of 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.240 of missives from various sources, you know, from the internet, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:45.200 but today we're doing only voice driven missives a k a. Voicemails. Yes, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.760 it's over explaining this very simple concept that we're doing. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.800 That's correct. It's oops all voicemails today on stuff they 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.880 don't want you to know. And it's mostly a function 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.400 of us just having so many of these great messages 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.760 and we still have seventy five right now as we 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.000 were warning that we haven't even listened to yet. Oh boy, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.920 that's okay. Today we're gonna hear from Daniel Moore, broccoli 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.080 chef and Nick. Okay, here we go. Hey, guys, my 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.680 name is Daniel, love your show. I'm calling up about 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.480 the weird bit of news and the warehouse fire. I 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.239 am in the very tiny bit of the Zen diagram 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.919 of people who worked actually designing and building fire suppression 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.560 systems for warehouses, and a person who listens to your show. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.320 So here's what I can tell you about warehouse fires 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.560 and fire suppression systems. I talked to the lead project 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.400 manager and architects for our company, and he said, it 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.880 is virtually impossible to have a warehouse without a fire 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.519 suppression system. The only way he could think of is 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:52.680 somebody building their own warehouse out in the middle of Montana. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.040 So New York City, it's going to have a fire 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.240 suppression system. There are two kinds of fire suppression systems. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.960 There is E s f our early suppression fast response systems, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.720 which were meant to put out the entire fire. Then 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.240 there's non s f R those are meant to contain 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.680 the fire until the fireman show up. Now, it's not 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.919 to say that any s FR system will always put 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.680 out the fire, and it's not to say that ann 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.000 E s FR fire system won't put out a fire. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.960 It just depends. Um. The second thing, talked to the 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.960 president of the company and explain the situation to him 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:42.080 and explaining, you know, lithium batteries, motorcycles and stuff like 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.040 that and a lot of paper, and his response was 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:52.240 that ship's going to burn, so, um, yeah, it could 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.720 easily be an E S fr system and of course 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.920 being in Texas. His one thing was once I started 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.880 listening things, he's looked me and said, oh and ammo. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.360 So yeah, there was probably some ammunition in that warehouse. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.960 So that's my two bits on the warehouse fire. Um, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.600 good show, Look forward is listening to more episodes take 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.280 Care of Daniel. Oh my gosh, Okay, we really talk 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 much about that. Uh and when we when we discussed 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.599 this is obviously a where have I under any old warehouse, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:31.760 a massive warehouse compound housing evidence, you know, for presumably 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.600 an entire borough of New York, or maybe even greater 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.159 than that, maybe for the whole city. I'm not quite 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.760 sure how that works. Yes, it is a This is 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.680 a story we did on Strange News about a very 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.120 large warehouse in New York that burnt. There's a huge 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.080 fire there. It had a lot of evidence inside of it. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.359 It was run or owned I guess by a company 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.239 called the Eerie Basin Marine Associates. That's the whole warehouse itself, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.200 and then the police department use some portion of that 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.560 to store evidence, meaning they're like leasing it from the owners. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.440 Um I suppose, so, yeah, they're leasing it that the 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:15.200 landlord was eerie based in marine associates UM and you know, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.600 just hearing this information from David, learning about E s 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.840 f R and non E s f R, I'm thinking 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.160 about specifically E s FR systems like the large overhead 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.720 sprinklers that you may see if you maybe live in 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.080 an apartment complex. Many of those have uh kind of 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.920 the older sprinkler systems that will physically just shoot water 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.960 on everything. There are other versions of that that have 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:44.440 this really cool foam that which some of that foam, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.440 by the way, we've talked about it before on this show, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.359 has some of those p f A s chemicals in 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.679 it um. That's one of the reasons it's it functions 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.600 so well as a fire retardant or it stops the fire, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.359 which is a creepy thing to think about, just getting 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.920 forever chemicals all in or foam and then getting the 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.560 foam on everything, including on the people, uh you know 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.640 they are in the warehouse when the fire starts. UM. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.000 But those those would make total sense, and it feels 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.960 like either of those systems would have stopped that fire 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.080 really no matter what was burning in there, or at 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.080 least you know, slowed it down enough to where the 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.280 as David said, the fire department gets there then puts 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.200 the fire out. Um, but it doesn't seem like anything happened. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:31.680 And then, guys, I found some reporting from the I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.800 team at Channel four NBC in New York. Uh. They 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.719 put out something on December twenty after we had recorded 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:45.960 that episode, and it's specifically about fire safety violations sprinkler 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:50.520 system violations that Eerie Basin Marine Associates had over the 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.240 course of one UH, and it may be the reason 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.960 why the fire got out of control and why everything 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.240 burned instead of it stopped being h Listen to this 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:07.440 nor they had at least seventeen fire safety infractions in 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:16.120 so that's failure to test, inspect, or certify sprinkler systems. Yeah, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.360 so a little bit more on the negligent tip than 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.280 perhaps the conspiratorial you know, it was an inside job tip. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.880 But I also when looking this stuff because I'm fascinated too, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.480 because in my head I was also thinking about, like 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.160 what about firewalls, you know, like like things that separate 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.360 different areas of a building, uh and make it where 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.280 you like compartments on the Titanic, which obviously those didn't 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.560 work really well either, But the idea is to keep 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.160 the fire from spreading. But then you picture a warehouse. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.480 It's all pretty open, usually with like palette racks and 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.920 things like that stacking you know, upward. But then you 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.120 picture again, I'm I'm thinking about like assault on precinct 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.760 Precinct thirteen, breaking bad and you know heights and things 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.320 I've seen around police departments. UH. Usually those type of 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.960 evident storage facilities are more cordoned off and have you know, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.880 separated you know, parts between them. So you'd think there 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.760 would be some manner of slow burning material that would 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:16.960 keep the fire from spreading so quickly. That would make sense, 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.960 and I imagine that, Yeah, if you had something like 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.040 that in place those firewalls you're talking about, you could 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.640 at least prevent it from getting to the next warehouse. Right, Um, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.600 should be great. I did find an article because now 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.720 I'm like, you got going down this rabbit hole for 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.360 the from the National Fire Protection Association n f p 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:39.880 A is a thing headline from November of unique fire 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:45.160 protection challenges found in warehouse distribution centers. According to the 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.480 n f p A, UH, warehouse fires happened kind of 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.640 a lot, kind of an alarming amount, with with one thousand, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:57.319 four hundred and ten warehouse fires, two deaths, twenty injuries, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.839 and in estimated one hundred and fifty nine point four 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:06.120 million indirect property damage every year. UM, And and nobody 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.880 wants that, you know, I mean, especially again, you wouldn't 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.000 think necessarily unless it was an insurance scam that people 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.360 would be negligent about warehouses holding you know, stuff that 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.240 you sell to like make money. But still just the same, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.760 many of those do go up in flames, as it 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:27.720 turns out, more than one might think. So the scope 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.520 of the destruction, though, does make me scratch my head 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.439 a little bit. Right, it wasn't it like a complete 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.720 loss basically? Or you know what I can't yet. I 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.360 can't find an update to the story where the NYPD 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.319 is saying here's what was lost, here's what wasn't lost 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.560 in all of that. We half that somebody's job is 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.320 the catalog all of that stuff and make notes and 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.360 make a tick and a ledger for destroyed and fire. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.240 You know. But what I can find is the statements 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.800 from the f d N Y Fire marshals because it's 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.840 still under investigation, UM just saying yes, we're continuing to 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.360 assess the damage caused by their fire and an update 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.760 will be quote available in the future. Um, there were 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.600 a couple other things I just wanted to bring up here. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.160 An f d n Y spokesperson said, quote the warehouse 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.360 is sprinklered throughout, so like this one that caught on 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.400 fire does have sprinklers, and the sprinklers activated, but the 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.680 fire spread too quickly. And one of the points they're 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.680 making about this, and I think it speaks to what 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.200 David's talking about. When you're thinking about the layout of 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.480 a warehouse, like you said, it's just a big open 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.280 space often maybe with a few rooms in between, but 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:44.680 largely open space. The sprinkler layout needs to be modified 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.760 to how you've got things stacked in there, what types 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.400 of materials are stored in what areas. So that's a 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.520 tough that's a tough ask to like change the sprinkler 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.280 system around unless you've got, you know, a version where 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.080 you can easily change out head and where the water 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.959 is actually gonna come down. And the reason I asked 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.120 about the whole leasing situation is typically you think of 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:11.960 like government entities, you know, like the police department or whatever, 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.120 owning their own building in a space that was built 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.280 like for that express purpose, but we know budget cuts 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.120 and things like that might potentially cause them to have 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.160 to use a pre existing place maybe isn't exactly intended 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.480 for this, and do it quickly and get all that 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.080 stuff in there and make it, you know, make do 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.440 the best they possibly can. But no, sprinklers aren't exactly 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.360 something you can just kind of move around there. Their 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.800 pipes and they terminate, you know, water sources. You've got 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.400 to rerun them or like customize them. Well, yeah, so theoretically, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.560 what you would do, as the tenant is you would 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.319 stack up the things that are more flammable and more 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.200 at risk in the areas where there's more coverage from 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.280 the sprinklers. Right, it would be on you then. But 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.040 it appears that those two things just were out of sync. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.880 It wasn't there a thing though, where they were like 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.480 a lot of combustible like batteries to like like scooters 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.160 or electric bikes or something like that, And that was 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.480 a big part of the problem. Yeah, there were there 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.800 were numerous heavy metals that ended up catching on fire 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.840 due to some of the stuff that was kept there 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.480 at the pound. Remember fleet of hoverboards that was an 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.240 issue here. I don't think so. I don't think those 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.719 got hit. I think it was mostly lime scooters. No, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.000 I'm just joking. I don't know what it was. Um. Yeah, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.160 but we we don't have an inventory list here, but 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.640 just with this one, I just wanted to point out 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.840 there's no I don't have an update yet. I don't 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.280 have more information on what cases are actually going to 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.040 be affected. It's a lot of reporting about the potential 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.360 of many cases being affected. Uh. And that did happen 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:51.960 in mid December. I wasn't well, I'm sorry, what was 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.520 it on site? But I was in New York and somebody, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.400 some local uh mentioned that this was, like, you know, 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.440 being we're order on the local news and then they 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.600 knew where this place was, and it was like, you know, 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.200 it was kind of alarming. Maybe no, I know what 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.319 it was. It was when you you weren't with us, unfortunately, 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.360 because but but Ben and I went to New York 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.240 to do the Elvis Durand show and you had some 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.240 family stuff. You couldn't make it. And it was one 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.520 of the guys at Elvis Duran because he was interested 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.320 in the show and he thought it'd be something that 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:22.839 we would have a take on and he was like, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.800 oh my god, did you just hear about this? You know? 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.880 And so his immediate thought was, you know, that's where 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.720 the mind does tend to go when you hear warehouse 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.959 full of evidence destroyed, because again, my mind always goes 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.439 back to that breaking bad uh sequence where they are 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.280 trying to get one piece of evidence out of of 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.040 the you know, this lock up, which is basically impenetrable. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.800 In order to get there, they have to destroy everything 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.959 because that's the only way, because you can't really get in. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.800 It's the only way to make sure that your thing 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.640 isn't used against somebody or you or some you know, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.959 one of your associates, is to destroy the whole thing. Geez, yeah, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.000 I remember when we talked about that, go full destruction. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.800 If you wanted to take out one piece of evidence, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.560 that's nuts. Well, hey, David, thank you so much for 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.840 calling giving us that info and for speaking to all 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.560 the people you spoke to about this. That was very cool. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.439 You didn't have to do that, and we appreciate it. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.880 I just thought it's something kind of clever. I'm gonna 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.440 pat myself on the back of this one. Do you 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.000 want to find a needle in a haystack, burned down 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:28.640 the haystack. Oh snap, just saying how hot is the 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.240 fire gonna get? Is it gonna melt Is it gonna 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.560 melt down? Metal? I don't think so. I don't think so. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.520 I don't think so. Brilliant all right, And with that, 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.680 we're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:48.960 back with more oops. All voicemails, and we're back with 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:54.440 more oops. Left a voice man, Yes we are okay, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:15:00.040 we definitely are brittany and here we go says is 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.080 this a britty story? It's not at all. I just 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.240 that was the closest those those. Yeah. Sorry, I want 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:10.920 to learn about this tomato experiment, the famous tomato, the 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:17.040 masload tomato experience of of of of nineteen seven. Yes, no, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:22.320 more like of nineteen one. Uh yeah, let's let's get 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.120 right to it. This is fun. Hey guys, it's more 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:31.040 broccoli calling you. I have an identical tomato experience as 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.160 Noel does, from you know, being forced to eat this 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.800 life from someone and my aunt in the family, and 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.800 it was, you know, the best tomato, and they just 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.680 were convinced that if I tried the absolute best of 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.520 the thing that I hate that I would love it 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.800 or whatever at least appreciate it, which of course I 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.400 did not, And I also proceeded to throw up, and 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.840 they never made me do it again. But for the 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.680 most part, I'm totally great with tomatoes. Now. You know 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.440 that this happened with blueberries when I was a kid. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.920 You know, once I threw up the thing that they 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.160 knew I hated and didn't want to eat that they've 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.800 been making me eat, then I never had to eat 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:16.520 it again once the revergitation happened, which you know, I 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.480 bet you we're able to like make it happen because 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.600 that's like psychological damage as a kid. So it makes 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.400 sense that, like we would, our bodies would align with 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.320 our brain and result like our bodies. Like, yeah, I'm 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.480 on board with the brain. Screw your family. I'm gonna 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.320 pursness up. See if you want me to burst all 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.600 up again when it's good food, you're not gonna want 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:43.280 to waste it on me. See, there is evolutionary logic 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.320 for it. There isn't. Like studies indicate that like children 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:52.600 can taste things like bitterness, perhaps more than adult can, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.200 so like to some extent, like when kids don't want 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:03.280 to eat vegetables that maybe they're detecting. Can't maybe more serious? 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:12.560 Hys fact? Oh man, okay, where to where to start? 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.399 That is More Broccoli a k a. Stephanie, and I 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.400 hear her voice more than most other people on our 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.640 voicemail machine. So shout out to you more Broccoli. Oh 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.880 I think she's called in before, if I'm not mistaken. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.439 Oh yeah, oh yeah. We hear from More Broccoli all 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.120 the time. She calls in, probably more than anybody else 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.359 out there. There are a few of you you know 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.600 who you are calling a lot, but this is the 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.840 except you and non you don't know who you are yet. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.960 But she's called in. This is like the third or 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.199 fourth time we've used More Broccoli on the air. All right, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.840 thank you More Broccoli for sharing your trauma with me, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.320 because you're right, it was. It was psychologically traumatic because 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.560 any you know, I mean as you know um, anytime 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.720 you know, being words to eat something that you're body 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.240 and your brain are literally like recoiling from um is 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.439 not good. Is It can be a real shock to 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.639 the system. And uh it is such a parental I 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.439 know best thing to say. No, this is the best 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.119 one of this and therefore you will instantly change your 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.080 perspective if you just listen to me and do the thing. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.520 Uh And and I'm the first to say that as 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.000 a parent, you know, with a picky eater for a kid, 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.120 I think that way too. Sometimes it's just not how 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.200 it works, because you know, different people have different sensitivities 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.320 to texture. For example, sometimes it's not even about taste. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.199 It's about texture, you know, or it's about like, you know, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.320 something that's too squishy, or if it's too whatever, any 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.200 any of these kind of like adjectives. Like meally that 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.760 one grosses me out too. I think it's overwhelmingly about texture, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.000 and I still have some of that, some aversions to 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.719 certain things and foods because of what the texture is like. 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.639 But it is very interesting how that um texture preference 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.440 changes as you travel throughout the world and go to 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.800 different parts of the world, and then completely different textures 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.159 or normalized and then other ones that I really like 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.720 our weirdest heck, but also it's weird, like my kid 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.879 doesn't like creamy sauces for example, on pasta, but likes 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.280 macaroni and cheese. You know, what could be a creamy 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.080 or sauce than like, you know, Kraft macaroni and cheese, 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.280 or even that she likes. He prefers the kind that 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.280 comes out of the bag, the you know, the velvita, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.240 the shells, the kind of it's like pre mix and 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.240 this like bizarre creamy paste. It's a gloop. And but 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.240 my point is, though it's a lot of it is 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.080 framed by psychology, a lot of it is framed by 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.280 like how you interpret the thing. You know. It's like 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.399 some people only like food if it's in a certain shape, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.160 like if it's in a case of dilla versus if 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.399 it's in a bowl on its own. You know, you 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.120 need some kind of rapper. And I think that's true 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.359 of a lot of things, like not to be too 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.080 much of a stretch, but like even ideas, you know, 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.480 it's a lot easy or to to accept something if 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.359 it's kind of wrapped in like a nice pastry shell. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.520 You know. Like actually we talked about this the other 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.280 day in our episode about um, you know, helping people, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.040 you know, kind of talk to folks with very very 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.240 different opinions. Is sometimes you've got to sneak those veggies 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.520 in the conversation in order to uh, to get you know, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.399 the nutrients needed to the to the person who is 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.880 just already predecided they don't want them. But um, this 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.560 call from from more broccoli also made me think about 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:33.439 just how taste buds and our sense of taste is 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.000 also a product of evolution too, because you know, as 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.680 as we've evolved, it's like taste is much more of 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.600 a luxury than it is like a way of detecting 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.760 bad will this will kill you, you know. So now 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.239 it's like you that's itchy because it tastes like you know, 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.480 broccoli or whatever, instead of like, oh I I taste 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.800 in an herb or or some sort of ingredient or 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.800 substance that if I eat too much of it it 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.320 will kill me, you know. Um, So it's like taste, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.680 you know, like any sense we've it's kind of been 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.040 repurposed in a lot of ways. And now, you know, 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.480 as you get older, you you lose some taste buds, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.120 and your taste buds maybe get a little duller um, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.600 and but they also we kind of feed them in 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.920 different ways, Like when you get older, you might lose 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.520 your sweet tooth, but you might really really like like 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:26.240 kim che or something that you know, maybe a small 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.000 child might just be too overwhelming, you know, in terms 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.760 of the kind of funky spiciness of it all. And 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.639 then we get older, you create that. But I like 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.439 your cultural perspective on this too, Mad, I'd love to 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.000 explore that a little deeper, because in Korea, I'm sure 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.920 they feed small kids kim chi, and it's all this 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.760 about acclimating, you know, like from a from an early 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.520 age and what you get used to America, we feed 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:54.480 kids pablum and kind of flavorless crap. I mean, many 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.280 times it becomes, oh, I'm sorry, kid, you don't like 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.679 the way that tastes. We don't have any other foods, 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:04.720 so exactly, don't eat I guess until you're ready to 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:13.119 eat the raw tomatoes. Yeah right, So I have gotten 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.679 past it to a degree. I still would never in 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.399 a million years on purpose eat a tomato on its own, 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.399 but I like it on a burger. I like it 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:24.680 on a club sandwich, you know, seasoned. But yeah, the 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.040 thing if I ate a raw tomato right now, um less. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.280 So with cherry tomatoes, I find they're they're a little 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.919 sweeter or something, but it's got a thing to it 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:34.720 that I just don't love on its own. And I 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.400 can imagine as a kid with more perhaps sensitive buds, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.240 that that thing that I still don't kind of love 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.800 would have just been all encompassing and just kind of 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.679 knocked me on my ass and made me literally vomit 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.920 all over the lovely tray of tomatoes that my mother prepared, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.280 you know, the best of the season. That's whatever seems 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:59.840 like too many tomatoes. Yeah, it was a platter, And 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:01.760 like the I didn't let the look of him either. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.000 I don't know, man, tomatoes have always kind of but 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.680