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Speaker 1: for having me back. I had so much fun last time.

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Speaker 1: combat experience. They were just rolling guys through there all

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Speaker 1: the time until they left. We've been there longer than

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Speaker 1: the Russians. I mean, it's tough. I met when I

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Speaker 1: went over to Afghanistan, I met some incredible Afghan people.

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Speaker 1: But and I don't quote and Culter ever, she had

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Speaker 1: one great line, which is, it's tough to bring democracy

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Speaker 1: to people who have more goats than flush toilets. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not a believer in bringing democracy to anybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm a believer, and if you want it,

432
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Speaker 1: you gotta fight for it. You can't hand it to people.

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Speaker 1: And then we like idiots as a nation, Like in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's set up your constitution. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's base it on Sharia law, the most unindividual thing

436
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Speaker 1: there is out there, and so I don't know how

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Speaker 1: we move people towards freedom and liberty if we don't

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Speaker 1: empower the individual. I was going to get to this

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Speaker 1: later because you know, we're kind of on the topic

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Speaker 1: of the book and we still have more questions about that,

441
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Speaker 1: but you're kind of getting into it from this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: your future aspirations of I was pretty shocked to see

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Speaker 1: Brad Thor. You know, you've been brah, I'm not running

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Speaker 1: for president definitely, and you've been a very vocal critic

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Speaker 1: of President Trump. So yeah, I compliment him, if you know,

446
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: what is the whole thing with running for president making

447
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Speaker 1: an announcement? Yeah, so that was the height of my

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Speaker 1: frustration with Trump and the Republican Party. Uh. Like I

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Speaker 1: said earlier, my dad's a marine. Okay, we learned about leadership,

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Speaker 1: we learned about taking personal responsibility, we learned about protecting

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Speaker 1: the week, all of those good qualities. My brother and

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Speaker 1: I learned him from my dad. Okay, there was a

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of responsibility. Like Trump. Don't like Trump, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. He's the president of the United States. He's

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Speaker 1: not the president of of you know, his followers, his base.

456
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Speaker 1: He's the president of all of us. It has gotten

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Speaker 1: more toxic and more divided in this country since the

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Speaker 1: rise of Trump, and I think he contributes to it.

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Speaker 1: I think the way he is his kind of you

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Speaker 1: know Roy Cohne as his mentor, Roy Kone, the guy

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Speaker 1: that worked with Joseph McCarthy. Roy Cone was not a

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Speaker 1: good guy. He's a lousy son of a bit. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: I don't like Trump calling names and being so divisive,

464
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Speaker 1: but this is what's always worked for Trump. Right, He's

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Speaker 1: a reality show star. He's like a wrestling guy, so

466
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Speaker 1: he always needs the evil guy to playoffs of the

467
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Speaker 1: drama daily. And you know there there have been these

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Speaker 1: reports that Trump has said he wants to run it

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis, like a reality show

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Speaker 1: where there's always some big headline and tune in tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He did that with the Gorsetch appointment a while ago,

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Speaker 1: where you didn't know who you can see it with

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court justices. Who's it going to be tune

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Speaker 1: in Monday? Or is the North Korea something going to

475
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Speaker 1: happen in Singapore? Right? So from I don't see him

476
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Speaker 1: as a take all of his personality out and I

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Speaker 1: can't stand his personality. I'm a Midwest guy. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a boorish New York kind of a queen's you know,

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Speaker 1: just what's amazing. He wasn't always that way. He was

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Speaker 1: very self confident. If you go back and look at

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00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Trump footage from the eighties, like the Today Show interviews

482
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Speaker 1: or Larry he's a little more well spoken, polysyllabic words,

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Speaker 1: coaching arguments. He didn't lose track of the subject halfway

484
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Speaker 1: through the sentence. He's a different guy at seventy two,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, than he was thirty years ago. So good bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not judging him on that

487
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Speaker 1: he's different. I don't like his style, and I think

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Speaker 1: style is important, particularly for such a noble nation. My

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Speaker 1: concern is that we have a nine eleven or something

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Speaker 1: like that he's going to need to rally the country

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Speaker 1: and it's so divided. He's not He doesn't possess the

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Speaker 1: skills of an effective leader to nit people together. If

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Speaker 1: we have a serious recession, some sort of national emergency, yep,

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Speaker 1: it's concerning, Yep, the divisions. God forbid, we have economic

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Speaker 1: hard times, because boy is that people are gonna start

496
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Speaker 1: eating each other in the streets because it's so toxic

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Speaker 1: and so divided. I think, you know, on the right,

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Speaker 1: there's this attitude right now of you know, let's make

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Speaker 1: America great again and screw the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: On the left, there's this sort of like Howard Zen

501
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Speaker 1: interpretation of history, like handwringing America's an evil, racist country. Um.

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Speaker 1: I sense that you have another perspective on it, that

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Speaker 1: America has been a vanguard force, has been a force

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Speaker 1: for good the world. It has. And if I can

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Speaker 1: recommend another book after you've read Spymaster and enjoyed it,

506
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: please please go out and buy my buddy Jonah Goldberg's book,

507
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: Suicide of the West. It's fantastic, brand new. I I

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Speaker 1: blurbd it because I thought this book was awesome. What

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Speaker 1: Jonah talks about is that up until the last three

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Speaker 1: hundred years, the condition of mankind on this planet has

511
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Speaker 1: been grinding poverty, in an early death, duitive disease, or

512
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: you die in warfare, bad bad stuff. Then something happened

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Speaker 1: three hundred years ago. You get kind of the Scottish

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Speaker 1: English Enlightenment. Suddenly we start celebrating ideas the individual, and

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Speaker 1: you get the rise of democratic capitalist, so not democrats

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Speaker 1: in Democrat party, but democrat. You know, we've changed terms

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Speaker 1: over the years, like classic classical liberalism, you know, is

518
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Speaker 1: what we would further is kind of conservatism today. But

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Speaker 1: what Jonas says is is that we are living and

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Speaker 1: he's right, we're living in the best country at the

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Speaker 1: best moment in history. We're sitting in an air conditioned

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Speaker 1: studio right now. That's a fact. It's a fact. And

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Speaker 1: yet there is a sector among us who they're not

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Speaker 1: happy and they're looking for things to be piste off about,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the fact that there isn't there aren't transgender

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Speaker 1: bathrooms or whatever they're they're actually manufacturing trouble. I would

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Speaker 1: also argue seven news cycles and social media when you

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Speaker 1: watch I blame Nancy Grace for the fact that I

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Speaker 1: don't let my kids play outside my line of sight

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Speaker 1: because she said she was the one that focused on

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Speaker 1: all the child predators and it was in your face

532
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Speaker 1: all the time. My parents would throw me out in

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Speaker 1: the morning and say don't come home to And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not to minimize the problem of it, like these

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Speaker 1: school shootings happen, happening, horrible problem, but it's not to

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Speaker 1: the level of the way that seven news media makes

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Speaker 1: you feel it is still a rarity, even though it's

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Speaker 1: happening so often. It is a It is still very

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Speaker 1: low chances that you're going to send your child to

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Speaker 1: school and this tragedy, or that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: killed by terrorism or something of that nature. It um,

542
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's clickbait, and it's clickbait, and that gets put

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Speaker 1: in front of our faces all the time, and then

544
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: every time something like this happens, you know, it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting happened, and

546
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Speaker 1: I thought for sure there was going to be a

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Speaker 1: ban on AUR fifteen. You know, anything that there was

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Speaker 1: New York there was here. Yeah, well that's because you

549
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Speaker 1: live in New York. Well, and I'm not saying the city,

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Speaker 1: because I live on the Capacity the Safe Act or

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Speaker 1: whatever it was. Until up until Sandy Hook on Long Islands,

552
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Speaker 1: you could buy lawfully buy an a R fifteen and

553
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Speaker 1: then that got shut down. And it's so stupid. If

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Speaker 1: you know anything about firearms, I mean, this is this

555
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: is ridiculous because it looks scary, you know what I mean.

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00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: So much of it is based on ignorance, and when

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Speaker 1: you get into an argument, you're talking to people who

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Speaker 1: know nothing about firearms. Uh. You listen, when seconds count,

559
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: the police are only minutes away. So what I find

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Speaker 1: really striking, you know, going back to what you were,

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Speaker 1: you were saying that it feels like, you know, we

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Speaker 1: live in this marvelous time in history. Uh, and yet

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Speaker 1: there's so many Americans who act as if they want

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Speaker 1: to throw it all away over what amounts to a

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Speaker 1: teenage temper tantrum. Look at the rise of socialism on

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Speaker 1: the left, with the success of Bernie Sanders and now

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Speaker 1: the congresswoman to be from New York fourteen. Yeah, I

568
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Speaker 1: mean she's an out and out and now they're trying

569
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Speaker 1: to parse. They're trying to split hairs. Well, socialist versus

570
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Speaker 1: democratic socialist. You know, it's like come invader versus you know,

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Speaker 1: guy that's good with with burglary tools the same thing, right,

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00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, same philosophy. What I try to tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know, who think, you know, America is like this evil, racist,

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Speaker 1: imperialist country. Like you said before, I mean, if we

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Speaker 1: don't play that vanguard role, somebody is And I say

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Speaker 1: to them, when Russia fills that void, or when China

577
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Speaker 1: fills that void. How are those guys on LGBT rights,

578
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Speaker 1: How are those guys on environmentalism? How are I mean,

579
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Speaker 1: any any metric you want to use. And not only that,

580
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Speaker 1: but if you judge the folks on the left that

581
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: are saying that America is such a bad country, why

582
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Speaker 1: in such a hurry to get so many foreigners in here?

583
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Speaker 1: Why are you looking to bring as many people? This

584
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Speaker 1: is such a terrible country. You ought to be standing

585
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Speaker 1: at the border warning people don't come in America is awful? Yeah, listen,

586
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Speaker 1: it is. It is interesting. I have family members, I

587
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Speaker 1: have dear friends who are on the other side of

588
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Speaker 1: the aisle for me, and I think part of what

589
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Speaker 1: I can do to help the situation is to listen

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Speaker 1: and to be your minds like a parachute. Right, It's

591
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: got to be open at well. And that's what we're

592
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Speaker 1: missing a lot of is people being the adult, being mature.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with Marxism leninis Um. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: in redistribution of wealth. You can't multiply wealth by dividing it.

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Speaker 1: I believe in you've got to work hard. I also

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Speaker 1: believe there are always going to be people among us

597
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Speaker 1: who need help. Okay that for you know, there should

598
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: be a safety net. It shouldn't be a hammock. We

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00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: should encourage people. You know, I thought one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest things that happened under Bill Clinton's presidency was welfare reform. Now, granted,

601
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Speaker 1: the Republicans took over control of Congress and they were

602
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Speaker 1: able to push that, but that was a good thing

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Speaker 1: because even the Brits, when they study their welfare system,

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00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: they realized that people don't actively look for work until

605
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Speaker 1: the benefits are about to run out. So there should

606
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Speaker 1: be an incentive incentives work, right. It works with our children,

607
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: that works with our employees to think that somehow we're

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Speaker 1: not creatures of we act in our self interests. Right,

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Speaker 1: So why wouldn't we apply that psychology and encourage people

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Speaker 1: to fend for themselves because that is empowering. You. People

611
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Speaker 1: don't feel good taking government assistance. They'd feel much better

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Speaker 1: on their own. Help them and help them get to that.

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Speaker 1: That's where the Europeans got it wrong and we got

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Speaker 1: it right, is that, you know, we have some programs,

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Speaker 1: and probably rightly so, so that we don't have people

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Speaker 1: starving in the streets and things like that, but we

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Speaker 1: don't have so much welfare that it's like in some

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Speaker 1: parts of Europe where you can literally just live off

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Speaker 1: of benefits. Well, the Swedes have realized it. They've had

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Speaker 1: to scale their stuff back too much. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people I I always kind of get a kick out

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Speaker 1: of this, um. This isn't so much Europeans, but I

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Speaker 1: find more people I know who immigrated here from the

624
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Speaker 1: Middle East and they're kind of shocked by how hard

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Speaker 1: Americans work. They're like, you guys work a lot, like

626
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Speaker 1: you don't you don't have time to enjoy your lives.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing here when we got here, right there

628
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Speaker 1: were no roads, no hospitals, no schools, no houses. It's

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Speaker 1: part of our culture to work hard. That's why taking

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Speaker 1: that day of rest, that that's Sunday off if you will,

631
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Speaker 1: to go to church and that kind of stuff was

632
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Speaker 1: such a big deal because it was hard, hard physical

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Speaker 1: lab The relationship with work is different to like, like

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Speaker 1: you work because this is your passion. You know, you

635
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Speaker 1: really believe in what you're doing. This is our passion

636
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Speaker 1: for us. I mean, we were happy to come to work.

637
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: UM in Europe for a lot of Europeans, not all

638
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: work is just something you do get over with so

639
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Speaker 1: that you can have dinner parties and spend time with

640
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: your friends and your family. Yeah, they choose to put

641
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: the emphasis on leisure. That's why so much of their

642
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: legislation protects, you know, how many hours a week they

643
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: can work. They've got a thing where your boss, now

644
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: there's a law over I don't know if it's France

645
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: where your boss can't email you after five o'clock, or

646
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: if you evenore it. I'm actually I'm gonna get that

647
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: instituted here. Soft rep that. But um, I think the

648
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: people who from Europe, from everywhere, who come to this

649
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: country are the ones who want to be hard workers.

650
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, because if you look at the if you

651
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: look at the difference between what's happening in Greece with

652
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: the economy there and then Greek Americans I used to

653
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: live in Greece, open diners all over, historian our business owners.

654
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: It's a totally different mentality. I think. I agree. And

655
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: back to what Jack said about oh, such a bad

656
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: racist country, and we know it's not. You look at

657
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: the success rate for black immigrants who come here and

658
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: start businesses, their self starters, right, it's a big deal

659
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: to leave your home country. If you're from Africa, you

660
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: have today and they come over here and they kick ass,

661
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: and they open businesses and they work their asses off,

662
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: and you get people they come, whether it's from Asia

663
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: or from Africa, where they may have been a doctor,

664
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, and they'll open they'll open whatever kind of

665
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: business they can, and then they send their kids to school.

666
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: That's the American dream is that you bring your you

667
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: you set your family up so that each generation. I know,

668
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: with my dad the Marine, he grew up on the

669
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Speaker 1: South side of Chicago, and the one thing he repeatedly

670
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: told me and my brother is I want you guys

671
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: to go further in life than I did. He said,

672
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps was my ticket out of the South

673
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: side of Chicago. Now I'm starting starting my family on

674
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: the North side of Chicago. Now you guys, go out,

675
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: kick ass and do better than I did. That's all

676
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I ask of you. And how many authors do you

677
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: meet that are stuck at a job that they hated

678
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: and wanted to follow their passion and become an author,

679
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: and you know they've become successful with it because there

680
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: was no total safety net for them, and they you know,

681
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: probably some of the worst times, people say, like, I

682
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: gotta go for it, I gotta follow my passion. I

683
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: think it's a good thing. Sometimes it's a blessing in disguise.

684
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: For some people, it's a hell of a motivation. You know,

685
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you don't you don't work, you don't eat. I mean,

686
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big deal. Is it like being

687
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: a uh? Like? I've heard a lot of artists say this,

688
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: that you operate with this constant sense of like self doubt,

689
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: Like am I am I gonna lose the pixie dust

690
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: that allows me to do my job? You know? The

691
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: pixie dust thing doesn't bother me. But what is interesting

692
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: is I was going through books. I got thousands of

693
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: books at home, and I found this book. I was

694
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: looking for something new to read, something I had, and

695
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I pulled a book off the shelf, and I a

696
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: dear friend of mine out in Utah as a psychologist

697
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: with the v A out there, and I was convinced.

698
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: He gave it to me. It was from the nineteen seventies.

699
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: It was called The Seasons of a Man's Life, and

700
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: it tracked different groups of men in New York City

701
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: in their thirties, forties and into their fifties and how

702
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: things change with them. And one of the groups was

703
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: fascinating they chose was auf I'm like, huh, this is

704
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: really weird. How do you get authors as a group

705
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: to study for kind of a psycho psychological profile? And

706
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: what they found with the authors was not so much

707
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: the pixie dust, but that every book those authors worked on,

708
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: they hoped, this will be the one that breaks through

709
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: for me. I'll finally have sales success, my readers will

710
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: be happy, but I'll finally get critics to say, you

711
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: know what, this guy is an important guy in that genre.

712
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: And that's what they were always chasing with with that.

713
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: So for me, My and I realized, I'm not gonna

714
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it's always gonna be a mixed bag

715
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: because people can't do reviews without politics involved anymore. So

716
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: I know certain outlets are gonna are gonna look at

717
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: my politics, not at my art, and I there are

718
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: certain areas that are actually you know, it's funny. The

719
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: New York Times gave me a great profile last year.

720
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Speaker 1: I'm stunned. I know the author coolish, Yeah, I think that, Yeah,

721
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: I know, and he was. He was He's a military guy.

722
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: He comes from a military family, and I'm not saying

723
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: that he's history played into the review. I thought the

724
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: review was very fair. Um, and I got another review recently.

725
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna cite where it's from,

726
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: but it was completely unfair. And it was a guy

727
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: I could tell I have a feeling we vote differently,

728
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: but which interest you know, because he was immediately virtue

729
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: signaling to his crowd Thors and NR a member. There's

730
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guns in his books, and a military

731
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: book of that gun. Find me a Hollywood movie without

732
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: guns in it. I mean, the only thing you won't

733
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: find in one of those movies is a Muslim bad

734
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: guy because they refused to do that. So it was

735
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: it was fascinating where this guy was judging my books

736
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: based on my politics, not on the art, you know,

737
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: Like I wish I could send in a book with

738
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: the name not on it and get it reviewed and

739
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: see would it be any different? But that's the world

740
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: we live in. We're very political. Uh. But back to

741
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg's books Suicide of the West, we have forgotten

742
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: how to be grateful and every morning to that point,

743
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: I get up and remind myself that we were endowed

744
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: by our creator with certain unalienable rights, chief among them

745
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: the pursuit of life, liberty, life, liberty in the pursuit

746
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: of happiness. That last one is very important. When I

747
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, I remind myself that people

748
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: have sacrificed everything so that I can have that pursuit

749
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: to happiness. And happiness is a choice. I get up

750
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: every day and I say to myself, I'm going to

751
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: choose to be happy today. It's the best time to

752
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: be alive. In the greatest nation in the history of

753
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: the world. I can find things to be happy about.

754
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: It's a choice. I mean, think about how much has

755
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: been sacrificed to establish Western civilization, from the Westphalian Agreement

756
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: up until today. I mean, it's incredible, and I don't

757
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: think it's something we should take for granted or just

758
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: throw away. Maybe we should have a little bit more

759
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: humility about the society we live in. And there's there's

760
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: lots of room for improvement. There's always to work together

761
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: to improve things absolutely um, but it seems yeah that

762
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: we're we have this sort of callous disregard for our

763
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: own We're lazy, We're victims of our own press, parity

764
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: and success. You know what I mean? It really is.

765
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm stunned. It's funny we uh we were talking with

766
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: someone earlier today. I was at another thing and there

767
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: was a young person there and it was it was amazing,

768
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: like how many phrases uh don't get kicked around in

769
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: their age group. You know. We used to have this

770
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: thing when I was growing up that came from my

771
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: parents day and maybe even further back about keeping up

772
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: with the Jones is right. They were the neighbor next door.

773
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: He buys a new Cadillac. You get a new Cadillac,

774
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: got a washing machine for the wife? Oh, I get

775
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: got a washing machine for mine. And we're now at

776
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: the point where shame. Uh Van, who's here with me?

777
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about shame and how good that

778
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: was for a culture. You know, we should say shame

779
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: on you, you know, and we used to say, what

780
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: what what are the neighbors going to think? So we

781
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: were afraid of shame. We don't want to be shamed.

782
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Now we don't know our neighbors, and you see just

783
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: ridiculous things happening because people have no shame. In the

784
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: news recently was the woman who turned in the little

785
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: girl for selling water bottle of water and the guy

786
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: on the bark train in San Francisco calling the cops

787
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: because somebody's eating a burrito. What's interesting is if you

788
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: look at kids, Jonah, it's back to Jonah Goldberg's book.

789
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm plugging his book more than mine, but I think yet,

790
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: but I think culturally Jonah's book is brilliant and really important.

791
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: But what Jonah said is when somebody cuts in line

792
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: in front of the grocery store, there is a visceral

793
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: reaction which is completely out of proportion with the act itself.

794
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: But it's because if people break cultural norms, it's those

795
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: cultural norms that hold that held us together as tribes,

796
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: as small bands as we developed forward, and people who

797
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, like, we're all gonna go dig a

798
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: ditch and this guy's gonna sit in the sunshine, but

799
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: he gets part of the lunch that we're all participating in. No,

800
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: we had these cultural norms because it was a way

801
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: to work together to get us to the Westphalia Agreement

802
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: and get us to the nation state and all that

803
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So when people break those cultural norms,

804
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: we have this visceral reaction to it, and we're seeing

805
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that. So that stuff is fascinating for me. Well,

806
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the fictive kinship that when we had John

807
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: rob on the podcast, he talked about that there there

808
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: are these fictions like like, for instance, the West, there's

809
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: no such thing as the West. Like we speak different languages,

810
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: different ethnic groups as an identity. We constructed for mutual security,

811
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: to for a sense of kinship, uh, and away for

812
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: all these very different countries to relate to one another

813
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: and cooperate together. Uh. And now we're seeing a lot

814
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: of that breakdown, which yeah, I mean it is, and

815
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: some of it is being purposefully accelerated constructed. Yeah, I

816
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: mean obviously Putin wants to see as much chaos sown.

817
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: He was very active in trying to meddle in Brexit

818
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: because he doesn't like the EU either. He's trying to

819
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: he's trying to wreck that. But then, you know, we've

820
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: got a trading surplus with Canada and we've got our

821
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: president taking pot shots at Trudeau for him just saying

822
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: in a press conference, you know, I'm gonna stick up

823
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: for the Canadian people, and he was Canadian. He wasn't rude.

824
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: But some of the politest people you're ever gonna meets

825
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: our dear friends in Canada, So you know, the Chinese curses.

826
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: May you live in interest interesting times and I think

827
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: it's I think it's very interesting. Right, But look at

828
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: the silver lining, Brad. Right right now, the left is

829
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: in love with the FBI, in love with the CIA.

830
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: They're fighting for fair trade. Yeah, there seem to now welcome.

831
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: They're very concerned that America is losing its prominence on

832
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: the global stage. I'm like, come on, yeah, I'm glad

833
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: to have you come on into my arms. Yeah. You

834
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: know what, it is very interesting in what I hope

835
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: we will see a breakout of is maturity, being an adult,

836
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: being civil, some common ground, maybe some common ground. But

837
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: what I'm afraid of is what you and I talked

838
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: about a little earlier, Jack, is that it's going to

839
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: take something really bad to pull us back together. Because

840
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: we have a leader right now who's not interested in

841
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: pulling us together. He is he is targeting stuff very

842
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: early at his base because that's where he's been successful. Listen,

843
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: takes a lot of guts to reach across to somebody

844
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: who disagrees with you to You know, Reagan and Tip

845
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: O'Neil used to sit and drink together, you know, a

846
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: couple of Irish guys. I think that's fantastic. Doesn't mean

847
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: they agreed on everything. There was a lot of horse

848
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: trading involved. I mean, we had to give up a

849
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: lot just within in America between Republican and Democrats just

850
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: to be able to outspend the Soviets and win the

851
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Cold War. So it's never gonna be kind of sunshine

852
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: and skittles raining for the sky and unicorn rides. Uh.

853
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: But we need to have responsible, mature Americans talking to

854
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: their friends saying, you know, what does it mean to

855
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: be American? Where are we going? But even on our

856
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: side on the right, it's so splinter There are people

857
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: that just happened as long as it makes the liberals cry.

858
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: But I can't stand that. I just think that is

859
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: so immatrore. It is trolling, and I get it. You know,

860
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you've had a finger poked in your eye by the

861
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: news media forever and it hasn't been fair and all

862
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But rise above that. You know

863
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: it's now because guess what the shoe is gonna be

864
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: on the other foot. You know, what we do today

865
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: is going to be visited upon us politically at some

866
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: point down the line. We're not going to be empowered.

867
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: What you're saying is reminding me off. You remember on

868
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: I think it was Fox and Friends for Hank Williams Jr.

869
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Was on there and he was commenting on Bayner meeting

870
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: with Obama at the at you know, some golf course,

871
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, net and yah, who might

872
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: as well meet with Hitler? And it was like, these

873
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: are two members of our government. Is what you sign

874
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: up to do when you become a member of government.

875
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: You have to negotiate, work together. And it's become this

876
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: thing that like I don't even want them meeting together

877
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: on a golf course, which is weird, insane. We you

878
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: know what we can do better than this. We are

879
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: capable of great good, of great nobility. This is an

880
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic country. And you know what, sometimes I think

881
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: the success of this country is that we have kind

882
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: of these stress relief valves that we do let some

883
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: of the steam out every once in a while. Obviously,

884
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: we had a lot of people that wanted to change

885
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: things up. A lot of people voted this last cycle

886
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: differently than they had before, and I think it's great,

887
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: particularly when you can have a group that feels they've

888
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: been forgotten by their government that they can affect change.

889
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. That's what. Our government is not going to

890
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: destroy itself. It's not going away anywhere. The Founders did

891
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: a damn good job building this repose. Election especially has

892
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: showed well, no, actually the system isn't rigged. I mean,

893
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: democracy is a real thing. If the deep state exists,

894
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: they stuck. Yeah, they're terrible. Getting back in a spy

895
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: master because I know we've talked a lot about it

896
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but this is why you're here. Obviously

897
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: we're putting this up on the fourth and we're talking

898
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: about American independence and stuff like that, which is great.

899
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, big day for you that it's released

900
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: today July. Part is we're recording this and I'm just wondering.

901
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: We were talking before we even recorded about this being

902
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: your book in the series, like and you were saying

903
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't get easier, Like what goes through your head

904
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: of how do I keep people entertained who have read

905
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: seventeen books thus far? And they're still going to be

906
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: interested in Scott Harvath and keep coming back. Well, first

907
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: of all, I call what I do faction where you

908
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: don't know where the facts end and the fiction begins.

909
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of people tell me they love

910
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: to read my thrillers with their laptop open, Google some

911
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: of these things. It's real. Is that Oh my gosh,

912
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's a great feeling for readers. It is fun.

913
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: It's like the stuff that I know you knew about

914
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: those caves in Norway where all this American military equipment

915
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: is kept. I didn't know that. I didn't know about

916
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: the Russians and the de escalation nuke, and there's that

917
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: nuke isn't in the book. I'm not giving away spoilers,

918
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: but I choose things that I find fascinating in the

919
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: real world, and then I say, how do I put

920
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: this in a thriller? So as I learned about it,

921
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: I distill it for for the purposes of the story.

922
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: So that's kind of you get that, you get that

923
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: double barreled shotgun, you get that great white knuckle thrill ride,

924
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: and you get some cool information in a book. Um,

925
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: And that's the challenge for me. That's how I raised

926
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: the bar every year. But I am bringing back a

927
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: heat character and I read each book. So if you

928
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: haven't read a Brad Thor thriller before, you can start

929
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: with Spymaster. You don't need to have read anything before

930
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: to start with this, because you'd be an idiot businessman

931
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: to do that. Because somebody walks into their local bookstore

932
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: and there's your fifth book, but the bookstores out of

933
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: stock on the previous four. You don't want people to go.

934
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I'll buy a patternson, especially for you if they're just

935
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: starting out. It's a tough sell to make someone right

936
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: into the apps. You can jump right in. So what

937
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I've been working on is how do I take my

938
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: main character, Scott harve At, how do I keep learning

939
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: about him? How do I reveal things and stuff that

940
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: he's going through that all the readers can relate to.

941
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: So you know, we all have problems that our office,

942
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: we have problems in our family life. You know, guys

943
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: that go down range. He can be very difficult on

944
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: families and all that kind of stuff. And what I've

945
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: got now, I had a guy from Seal Team three

946
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: take me to a very interesting facility down in Florida

947
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: that is set up to rehab professional athletes, get football

948
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: players ready for the comm buying and all that kind

949
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: of stuff. But they realized that a lot of the

950
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: injuries that special operations guys were getting were similar to

951
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: what we were seeing in football players in the NFL,

952
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And they said, well, why should the US military have

953
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel. Bring some of your guys down here.

954
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Let's see we can work with him and get them back,

955
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, on the tip of the spear very very fast,

956
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: and help the United States invest a ton in our warriors.

957
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of training, there's there's so much that

958
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: goes there in you've got these incredible warrior athletes. I mean,

959
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: you're really an athlete when you're particularly in special operations.

960
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: It's very very athletic. So um, that was some of

961
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: the stuff I was playing with harvat too, because you

962
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: know he's getting injuries creeping up on him. Yeah, he's

963
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: gotta he's got a chug, you know, with some some

964
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: motrin vitamin M as my seal friends call it. When

965
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: he gets up in the morning. But what's he willing

966
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: to do to stay in the field. It's like Tom

967
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Brady right, it is Tom Brady gonna do one more

968
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? What would he be willing to do if

969
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: there were no rules? You know, are you willing to

970
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: do some injections and stuff like that as a former seal,

971
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: which harv At is. Um, So that's that's part of

972
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: what I play. Those guys are so motivated and so patriotic.

973
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: It's like they'll they'll never say no, right, like they'll

974
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: always answer the phone. I'm deployment Roger that here we go. Um.

975
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Another question I had for you, since this is book eighteen,

976
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not asking for a specific, a specific answer,

977
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: because I know you can't give that, but I want

978
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: to ask you if, in your mind, do you have

979
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: a endpoint for this character. No, I don't know. It'd

980
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: be like saying, hey, keep coming to the restaurant. We're

981
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna close it, you know, in X amount of months,

982
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna start a I'm gonna start a Delhi.

983
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: I hope all you will lead at my deli. It's

984
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: like I gotta steak restaurant and I love serving it up.

985
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna close. Yeah. I like Carvat doing what

986
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's got lots of years of kicking indoors

987
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: and shooting bad guys. There's no plan of like, maybe

988
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,959
Speaker 1: this guy goes out in a blaze of gory. Maybe

989
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: he retires to a log cabin. Nope, Nope. There's a

990
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: little bit of his boss is now out of the

991
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: aim in. His boss put a lot of pressure on

992
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: him to say, you know what, you're being selfish. You

993
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: keep going down range. You're too valuable to be going

994
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: out on these assignments. You, Tom Brady. I gotta get

995
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: your butt off the field, start become the manager, help

996
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: scout out the new talents, help build the team, and

997
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: take it into the future. And that's a big wrestling,

998
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: a big internal thing that Harvests dealing with in this book,

999
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: where he's like that I got so much left to give,

1000
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: And then there's this question of are you being selfish?

1001
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: Are you putting the bigger mission? Uh, you're putting yourself

1002
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: ahead of a bigger mission. And so that's part of

1003
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: the neat stuff that I reveal about Harvat in this book,

1004
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: which is fun, particularly if you've never read them before.

1005
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: You you really get a great grasp for who he

1006
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: is as an American, as a man, as maybe a

1007
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: father because he's looking at boy, maybe I'd like a family,

1008
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: and that would require me to kind of dial it back. So, uh,

1009
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff packed in this thriller. It's a

1010
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: lot harder to drop that ruck sack than people think

1011
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: nothing worse than being a former action guy, right, I

1012
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: mean it can it can be. But I'll tell you.

1013
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: My children's godfather was a fifth fifth Special Forces guy

1014
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: and he now works for the State Department. And he

1015
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: had done kind of his hardship tour for State. He

1016
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: had to go to Iraq. He was at the embassy

1017
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: over there and he went for a meeting. It was

1018
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: like an economic development meeting or whatever, and there was

1019
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: a there was a guy contractor Poland security and he

1020
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of looked at him. He's like, I know that guy.

1021
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: He came out and realized, Okay, this is a guy

1022
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: he knew at one point from Fifth Group. And they

1023
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: were kind of chatting before they had to jump back

1024
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: on the cars and go, and he said, hey, how

1025
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: are you doing. You know you still married? The guy's like,

1026
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: no divorce three times, but I love my job. How

1027
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: about you? And my buddy who had left uh Fifth

1028
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: Group and had gone started his own business, successful business.

1029
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: But then nine eleven happened and he went to work

1030
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: for the State Department and his wife agreed. They traveled

1031
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: the world. He's not, you know, out running and gunning,

1032
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: but the guy that decided he couldn't get away from

1033
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: the lifestyle and went over to the private contractor side.

1034
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, three divorces. It it takes its toll. I

1035
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: think it takes a special wife but also a special

1036
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: husband who keeps going down range that can can both

1037
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: maintain that relationship. It can't be easy. I mean, that's yeah,

1038
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: that's something that I was single the entire time I

1039
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: was in the military, and so I can't even begin

1040
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: to imagine. I remember one Special Forces wife telling me

1041
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: because now and working as a journalist, I've come to

1042
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: learn more about that side of things from talking to

1043
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: different people, and uh, one uh wife was telling me,

1044
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, when you're married to a Green Beret,

1045
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: you're the mother, you're the father, and you're everything else.

1046
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Run the house while they're gone. I mean, it's a

1047
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. And that's why I always I

1048
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: always want to remember and I always tell people on

1049
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: social media never forget families served too. So when you

1050
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: thank a you thank somebody in in the army or

1051
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: the coast Guard or the Navy. The Marines thank their

1052
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: families too, because those families serve. It may not be

1053
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: in the same location, it may not have the same requirements,

1054
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: but there's is a life of service to our nation

1055
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: as well, and you can't forget that. That's in the

1056
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Speaker 1: birth of your children. I mean, it's I I can't

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00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: even fathom the stress on the lives wondering, Oh my gosh,

1058
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: I just heard this in the news, and I can't

1059
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: reach out because it's it's worse for them than it

1060
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: is for the guys because you don't know. Yeah, you

1061
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: have no idea not knowing. It's got to be a

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00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: terrible thing. The last book was used force. That's the

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00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: last time that you were in here with us. I

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00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: have to hear the story because apparently I didn't know

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00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: the real story of Chris Christie on the beach reading.

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Speaker 1: So all right, So last last year New Jersey shut

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Speaker 1: its beaches about this time kind of ended you in

1068
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of July because they had all these financial problems. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In New Jersey, the governor has the Governor's mansion and

1070
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Speaker 1: there's a beach house at a state park in New Jersey.

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00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: So all the beaches for like fourth of July were

1072
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: shut down, you know, Christie shut everything down. But a

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00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: helicopter got pictures of Christie sitting on the beach in

1074
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Speaker 1: a in a beach chair with like friends and family enjoying.

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00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: The beach closes for Caesar, right, no beach closes for

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Speaker 1: Chris Christie. So what's funny is I was talking to

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Speaker 1: my web designer, uh and we were happen about this,

1078
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know, the only thing Chris Christie's

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: missing in that picture. I said, yeah, it's a good summer.

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00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: Thrilled that good beat. So we so my guy photoshops

1081
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: my my then brand new hardcover Use of Force last

1082
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: Summer into Christie's hands and then and then pixelates out

1083
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: Christie's junk, right because he's in a real tight bathing suit.

1084
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: And we put this. I put it up on Twitter

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Speaker 1: with the with the caption that says, I think I'm

1086
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Speaker 1: the only guy in America who doesn't hate Chris Christie,

1087
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: and it went viral. Do you remember remember over It

1088
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: was my most popular tweet ever, and news organizations were

1089
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: running it as if it was true. Only a handful

1090
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: reached out to me to actually fact check, actually do

1091
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: their job as journalists, but tons of them ran with

1092
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: it and it is still today. It just cracks me

1093
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Speaker 1: up because I'll get asked about it in interviews and

1094
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: when I came in, you know, I thought he was

1095
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Speaker 1: really reading thought it was really reading it right, But

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00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: it was so funny it was almost and then I'd

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00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: have people like off heir go, you know, the pixelation

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Speaker 1: of the bathing suit was the best part of the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. So brilliant marketing on your part. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's my sense of humor. I like to

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Speaker 1: just you know, just goo fund stuff and it just

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00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: it was so perfect. But I got a hand it

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Speaker 1: to Evan are design guy. He was the one that said,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's pixelate out the jump and it was

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00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: so funny, brilliant product placement that yeah. Yeah, it was

1106
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: right time, right place, right photoshop. So that's awesome. So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited that this is out today. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: for people who have never read anything in the Scott

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Speaker 1: Harvat series, what would you say to them if they're

1110
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Speaker 1: thinking of picking up, you know, their first bread door bus.

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Speaker 1: Start with Spymaster. I think you know what if I

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Speaker 1: can't get you with this and make you fall in

1113
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Speaker 1: love with Harve Bath, I can't do it. So I

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Speaker 1: would say start with Spymaster. You can always go back

1115
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Speaker 1: and read the other ones. They're meant to be read standalone.

1116
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Speaker 1: You don't need to start with the first book. Start

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Speaker 1: start with Spymaster and uh and hop on Twitter or

1118
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Speaker 1: Facebook and let me know what you think, because if

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Speaker 1: you buy a copy of my book, you are my boss.

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Speaker 1: I work for you, and I want to what you think.

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Speaker 1: Tweet bread or at brad Thor. The website is bred

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Speaker 1: Thord dot com. Um, anything else that you want to

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Speaker 1: get to, because I wanted to mention what we're up

1124
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Speaker 1: to a hurricane group and then I mean, this has

1125
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: been awesome. I think we've gone all over the place

1126
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: to say no, I think that's great. I want to

1127
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: say congratulations on the book police. Um can I take

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Speaker 1: this one with me? I would love that. You bet,

1129
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: I'll take this one. I'll read this on vacation this summer, okay.

1130
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: And I was saying vacation for you is usually like

1131
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Speaker 1: the middle of a war zone with Benny, not this

1132
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: time with my wife. No, we're we're going to Europe.

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Speaker 1: My my wife is from Italy. Oh neat Yeah what

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Speaker 1: part of Italy? Milan? Oh wow? Okay, you guys gonna

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Speaker 1: go someplace nicer, yes, okay, And especially in the summer

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Speaker 1: in August, if you go to Milan, this is this

1137
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Speaker 1: is no, this is no joke. If you go to

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Speaker 1: like Milan's equivalent of Times Square in August, you can

1139
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: lay down in the street and there's nobody in that

1140
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: city that it just empties out in August. Everyone's gone.

1141
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Because again, the Europeans have a different relationship with work.

1142
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: I've started to think Brandon has a very European relationship

1143
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: with work if I. But I love following his Instagram

1144
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: because of all the pictures and that when he was

1145
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: when he was doing the float plane stuff on Lake Como.

1146
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, some of the most beautiful pictures I've seen,

1147
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Speaker 1: so I I really enjoy those. But yeah, I just

1148
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Speaker 1: I think it's great. Listen, That's why you work so

1149
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Speaker 1: hard in the military and you're working hard in your

1150
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Speaker 1: private business now, right, is to pursue your own self

1151
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1152
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Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's what you live, the American dream.

1153
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Speaker 1: And let me say thank you to you for your service,

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Speaker 1: because I tell my kids all the time that there

1155
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Speaker 1: volunteered to do so for the United States. So thank you, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you, brad Um Wrapping things up here, there's only

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Speaker 1: But this was awesome. Once again, it's Brad Thor dot

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Speaker 1: com at brad door on Twitter. Uh, spymasters out today.

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Speaker 1: Most people I know are listening July four, so they're

1205
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Speaker 1: probably enjoying barbecue with their family and stuff and perfect

1206
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Speaker 1: pick up spymaster, spymaster while you're at it um And

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Speaker 1: as you said recently, I mean I think the same

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Speaker 1: goes for Memorial Days. Fourth of July. It's okay, tokay

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: to barbecue and also remember these great things that we're

1210
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: talking and spend some time with your family, which is

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Speaker 1: where you're off to right, going right to the airport

1212
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Speaker 1: from here and flying back to Nashville. And uh, I'm

1213
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Speaker 1: gonna fire up the barbecue tomorrow and uh and thank

1214
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Speaker 1: god for that Independence Day, and and just respect to

1215
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Speaker 1: admire the courage it must have taken for those colonists

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Speaker 1: to stand up to Great Britain. It's a pretty it's

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. We don't think of what they were able

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Speaker 1: to do, and we we we reap the benefits of

1219
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Speaker 1: that bravery every single day we wake up in this

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Speaker 1: great nation. One of the largest upsets in history. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the apartment It might be the largest upset

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Speaker 1: in history, you bet. And Nashville, by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: like it's like the New l A. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: there anything prominently, but yeah it's booming. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: there since I left for Campbell. It's been so I

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's yeah, yeah, right across there in Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: it's listen. Nashville's fantastic. It's booming. We joked that the

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Speaker 1: State Bird ought to be the construction crane because there's

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Speaker 1: so much building, there's jobs. They actually can't hire people

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Speaker 1: fast enough. That's the biggest problem. People are moving in,

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Speaker 1: but the companies are moving in so quick that if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for work, think about Nashville, because they need

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Speaker 1: talented go getters down there. But I'm just thinking of,

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Speaker 1: like that's where all the songwriters go now and country

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Speaker 1: has made this huge comeback all over the country. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and there's healthcare down there, and there's financial

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Speaker 1: services firms. It's just booming. It's crazy though, So when

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Speaker 1: I get into Penn Station a lot of the time

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Speaker 1: and you see these people here for concerts at MSG

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Speaker 1: half the time country concerts, people in like cowboy hats,

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Speaker 1: and for the first time in my lifetime, like New

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Speaker 1: York has a successful country station, and it's all like

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Speaker 1: thanks to Nashville. It's pretty interesting, pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: No income tax in Tennessee, there's no state tax. There's

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Speaker 1: great medical in Nashville, but that was the big thing.

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Speaker 1: Very light on regulation. They're running a budget surplus, so

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Speaker 1: financially it's very sound. And then me being a shooter

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Speaker 1: coming from Chicago where it was just so anti gun,

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Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled to be I mean, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: walk in, walk out, same day, you know, same hour,

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Speaker 1: with whatever you want. There's no waiting period as long

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Speaker 1: as you clear the background check. So that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: Always an honor to have Brad Thor in studio brad

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Speaker 1: Thor dot com at Brad Door on Twitter. The books

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Speaker 1: available everywhere spymaster and also in audible. I saw it, yes,

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Speaker 1: Is it you reading it? Or no? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: big Broadway actor who can keep track of the voices

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of you have a good voice.

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Speaker 1: I got it okay, one, but I can't do it's

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Speaker 1: kind of reading the entire It's a talent. It's a

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Speaker 1: talent to be able to do the different. Well, Happy

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Speaker 1: Independence Day. Thanks for having me on the joy for broadcast.

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