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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to have a

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Speaker 1: dialogue about a conversation. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with Patrick Claibahn and Jordan Rodrieg.

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Speaker 1: It's Preview Day.

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Speaker 2: That's Preview Day.

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Speaker 1: What is that dialogue going to be about? Patrick?

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Speaker 2: That dialogue, that conversation is going to be about the

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Speaker 2: conversation and dialogue that leads to the farcical nature of

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Speaker 2: the MVP of world. And I think we should start

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Speaker 2: that dialogue on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Greg, Okay, So that's a good tease, Yeah, where we

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Speaker 1: start deciding who is in the conversation and then yes,

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Speaker 1: boot them out while a little early.

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Speaker 2: While also highlighting how, you know, insane of an idea

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Speaker 2: that is, but we need to do it.

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Speaker 1: My thing, it was more in terms of the conversations,

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Speaker 1: like everyone can't be part of the conversations. Also, so

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Speaker 1: early it is meaningless. Let's like see what's up around

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Speaker 1: ten or eleven or twelve weeks. But this show, I

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Speaker 1: try to make it a democracy. So I think we

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Speaker 1: should have this. We should have this show starting on

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Speaker 1: some I'm into it.

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Speaker 3: I love a conversation, but not a full show, just

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Speaker 3: to see if Patrick we're geeking out over all the

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Speaker 3: all the ways we could have said conversation.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot of people that would

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Speaker 1: be in it. We'll talk about a lot of them

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Speaker 1: today if you weren't with us last week. We changed

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Speaker 1: the game and we broke it up between early games

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Speaker 1: and then late games and primetime games, and it was

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Speaker 1: a popular change. So it is sticky. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, for once, the early I think the early

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Speaker 1: slate is better overall. It's it's pretty spicy. This week,

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Speaker 1: it's best one we've had in a few weeks.

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Speaker 4: I think they're all beautiful.

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Speaker 2: We had a statistically significant number of blowouts last week,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully of the early and late do look better

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Speaker 2: than they did in a weekend. Let's get to the

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Speaker 2: beginning here, the Minnesota Vikings with JJ McCarthy going on

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Speaker 2: the road to take on the Detroit Lions and that

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Speaker 2: legion of whom in the second I love that nickname.

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Speaker 2: The Lion's favored by eight and a half points, the

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Speaker 2: over under is forty eight, and have Kevin Burkhart and

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady will be there to see this game. How

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Speaker 2: the Vikings look with JJ Gregg.

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Speaker 1: That's an impossible question to answer. I listened to Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell on the way into work. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: not reflective exactly, but much more understanding with the media

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Speaker 1: in terms of all their questions of what happened to

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Speaker 1: The problem is the maybe number one story of the

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Speaker 1: season is the Lion's defense. I actually think it might

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Speaker 1: be the most important thing we learned in the entire

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Speaker 1: first eight weeks of the season, and that the Lions

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Speaker 1: defense looks super Bowl worthy in a way that I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect. And this week I tried to dive deep

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Speaker 1: and like figure it out with the numbers and players

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Speaker 1: the fewest penalties in the league, for instance, they are

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Speaker 1: they're pretty mid range in terms of blitz. Obviously, Aiden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: who became the richest according to guarantees non quarterback in

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Speaker 1: as as big a difference maker as you could ever

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Speaker 1: hope for coming off of an injury. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just like good fundamental play. And maybe

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Speaker 1: I should have led with hutch because that's a big deal,

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Speaker 1: signing that big of a contract this early in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible the amount of money the Detroit Lions have,

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Speaker 3: not all of it guaranteed, but have.

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Speaker 4: At least dedicated to their core of this team.

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Speaker 3: It's almost a billion dollars, and I just think it

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Speaker 3: shows again when they believe in their guys and Brad

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Speaker 3: is this really a cool thing for Adon Hutchinson after

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Speaker 4: Mentioned this before.

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Speaker 3: Greg are an extension of that defense in a big

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Speaker 1: Would we have a Defensive Player of the Year conversation

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Speaker 1: the conversation. But why am I doing it now?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're doing it the part we got him.

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Speaker 2: The most important part of the conversation that we were

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Speaker 2: going to have is to highlight the absurdity of it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but I also think about the Aiden Hutchinson deal is

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Speaker 2: the league that it's not against the rules to do this,

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Speaker 2: Like you can sign the guy and it's not violating

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Speaker 2: some sort of prime directive. I understand that people are

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Speaker 2: yourself from consternation and drama and maybe.

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Speaker 1: Trust, so you can do it during the season. Wasn't

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Speaker 1: that the whole thing the Bengals, Well, they don't. They

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Speaker 1: don't like negotiating during the seasons, Like why not.

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Speaker 2: What else are you doing? These guys have to play

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Speaker 4: They're busy. Okay, that's a conversation.

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Speaker 2: You can have how much money would you like to make? Oh?

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Speaker 2: This much? Okay, here's this, But I think right when

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Speaker 2: looking back at what Kelvin Shepherd in this defense have

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Speaker 2: am I looking at Jake Browning a little bit differently

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Speaker 2: after what the Lions did to him? Like is it

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Speaker 2: defense causing all sorts of problems to a hurt team,

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Speaker 2: Like they continue to do this and I'm worried because

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Speaker 2: the now I'm doing it too. The JJ McCarthy conversation

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Speaker 2: has just been this ever last oh Carson Wentz been

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Speaker 2: How bad is JJ McCarty, Like, let let the guys

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Speaker 2: start a few games, but now he has to do

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Speaker 2: it against this defense that has so many different looks

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Speaker 2: that's so good in man coverage where I'm I'm concerned.

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Speaker 1: And they're getting healthier too. Terry On Arnold was back

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Speaker 1: say is even more motivated than ever. I know you're

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Speaker 1: is going to be tricky. We'll see how the Vikings

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lions can rush for and have all season,

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Speaker 3: and certainly it's being more effective than ever, especially with

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Speaker 3: allowed them, to your point, Greg, to play more man

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Speaker 4: To me, that's first of all.

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Speaker 3: That's players buying in and obviously players go out and

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Speaker 4: Do all of that.

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Speaker 3: But that's really good coaching to me too, is being

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Speaker 3: and Kelvin Shephard is do an incredible job. I think

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Speaker 3: it's one of the hardest places for a quarterback to

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it is.

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Speaker 3: The stakes are extremely high for JJ McCarthy in this game,

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Speaker 3: for Kevin O'Connell, and for the entire team building infrastructure of.

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Speaker 1: What they did sign your boy. Though the wolf Pack

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Speaker 1: But Kevin O'Connell did say it's going to be Brosmer

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 3: I did I actually miss that. That's awesome new. I

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Speaker 3: think that's great. Bane and John Wolford are very similar people.

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Speaker 1: They're back together again, and reading between the lines, it

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Speaker 1: does sound like Darrisatt and O'Neill could be back for

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Speaker 1: this game. The problem with darricize. And this is why

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Speaker 1: it's such a gift that in Hutchinson is playing so well.

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Speaker 1: as tough a matchup as possible because Dan Campbell kind

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Speaker 1: you're in a division against a team that you can't beat.

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Speaker 1: And the Lions have won this game five straight times,

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Most of the games have been close.

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Speaker 1: It was not close if you remember in Week eighteen

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Speaker 1: partly because Jared goff in this offense picks on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still blitzing at a very very high rate, but

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Speaker 2: in terms of generating pressure when they blitz. They're number

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Speaker 2: this like veteran defense with Brian Flores where they have

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Speaker 2: all these different looks. Have have people gotten enough looks

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Speaker 2: at it at this point with this particular group of players,

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Speaker 2: or you know, is age making its way into the

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Speaker 2: circumstances where you start to wonder, here's here's the week

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Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, eight and a half point favorites for

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Speaker 4: Think part of it.

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Speaker 3: They're allowing so many explosive plays upfront on defense, the

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Speaker 3: explosive run plays. Specifically, they invested in this defensive line

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Speaker 3: and we mentioned this, We talked about this a couple

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Speaker 4: This is a problem.

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Speaker 3: The Lions are not only explosive in the run game,

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Speaker 3: but they're fast in the run game. This is if

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Speaker 3: they can run the ball effectively against this Vikings group,

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Speaker 3: they are in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One last note on those contracts from our expert

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Speaker 1: producer slash former researcher Drew Christensen. The Lion have made

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Speaker 1: twenty two contract extension since twenty twenty four. One of

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Speaker 2: Okay, watch watch that beloved Steelers defense that you enjoy

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Speaker 3: And I you're watching, if you're Shane Steichen in that

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Speaker 3: you brought a really good point earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. That's a win for me. We don't have

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're walking into a trap too. It

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Speaker 1: You look beneath the hood on some of the Colts

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Speaker 1: So that's all helpful. But I think that the recipe

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Speaker 1: Jalen Warren, like Jonathan Taylor put him in the you

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Speaker 2: I agree, Jalen Warren is a Pro Bowl running back

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Speaker 1: Greg, He's in the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Conversation, We're gonna wear this out before we ever get

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Speaker 2: It's only so we have to do some work on

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Speaker 2: go two. Who are the Houston Texans. They're at home,

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Speaker 2: The over under is thirty nine and a half points.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Coogler and Mouse Johnston on the call, Greg, which

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Speaker 1: See? I want this game too, I expect until I

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Speaker 4: Remember the show is a democracy patch.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I can't. I'm not gonna take them both.

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Speaker 3: None of this matters. Nothing matters on either side of

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Speaker 3: Stroud was only pressured six times last week, and it

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Speaker 1: And yet it was when I watched that game I

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Speaker 3: this is a really, really talented defense. And so to me,

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Speaker 3: I did see enough of the Texans to offense to

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Speaker 3: build on, especially because like I mentioned, they were able

440
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Speaker 3: to get that timing and that rhythm passing game going.

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Speaker 3: And yes, some of the downfield shots especially, and some

442
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Speaker 3: of the low probability plays that were made, they were there,

443
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Speaker 3: they were open, they were schemed to be made, and

444
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Speaker 3: in the first half c J. Straud did miss a

445
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Speaker 3: couple of those throws and he hit him in the

446
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Speaker 3: second half, So I do think that that's a big factor.

447
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Speaker 3: But again he wasn't pressured, so that that's the hinge

448
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Speaker 3: point for all of it.

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Speaker 2: And that's the difference in this Texans offense because it's

450
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Speaker 2: a lot like like both offenses in Texas in the

451
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Speaker 2: State of Texas, right, Dak's going to have those low

452
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Speaker 2: completion percentage throws that he's had for years, and CJ.

453
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Speaker 2: Shroud also does that as well. Where you've it's the

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Speaker 2: way that the offensive structure and the way the quarterback

455
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Speaker 2: plays where they take those chances when they get clean

456
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Speaker 2: pockets to throw from, except the variance there when Dak

457
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Speaker 2: has you know, things are a little muddy, he can

458
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Speaker 2: still be successful, not like he was against the Denver

459
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Speaker 2: Broncos where things went absolutely left, and that was for

460
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Speaker 2: an offense that was playing well. And now you're asking

461
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Speaker 2: this Texans line where it's like there's been two through

462
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Speaker 2: three games this year where CJ looks great and he's

463
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Speaker 2: you know, arms cross celebrating as guys going the end

464
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Speaker 2: zone and everything looks good. But when things do get difficult,

465
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Speaker 2: the offense completely falls apart. And it's kind of what

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Speaker 2: I expect to have.

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Speaker 1: But so does bow Knicks. That's the good thing. Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: so bow Knicks this year against pressure, Now he faces

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Speaker 1: the least amount of pressure in the league, like last

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Speaker 1: week for CJ was every week for bow Knicks, and

471
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Speaker 1: that's key, but by far the least amount of pressure.

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Speaker 1: And that's partly because of the scheme too. It gets

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Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands.

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Speaker 4: Bring line.

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Speaker 1: But he's got a great line and it's a big

476
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Speaker 1: test for Garrett Bowles, and you know, on the right side,

477
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Speaker 1: like Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter just have to have

478
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Speaker 1: you know, a massive game when bo Nicks is pressured.

479
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Speaker 1: Only two quarterbacks in the league have a lower yards

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Speaker 1: per attempt than bo Knicks, and that's Jake Browning who's

481
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Speaker 1: long gone, and Russell Wilson, who's long gone. They still

482
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Speaker 1: barely qualify in terms of these stats. So if you

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Speaker 1: can get pressure on bow Knicks, it just hasn't worked

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Speaker 1: this year. He's coming off his best game of the

485
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Speaker 1: season far like they they should feel confident, but that

486
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Speaker 1: was a game. Again he's proven in this scheme with

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Speaker 1: all the weapons that they have, that he'll he'll make

488
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Speaker 1: it happen against this Texans defense though, like they're a

489
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Speaker 1: defense first team, Like Will Anderson wants to be in

490
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Speaker 1: a conversation at the end of the year, by the way,

491
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Speaker 1: you know, like these are the types of games they

492
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Speaker 1: just have to be absolutely special and just shout them.

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Speaker 3: I think what's something that doesn't bode well for the

494
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Speaker 3: way that this I almost said Saints, but the way

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Speaker 3: that this Broncos offense kind of operates, especially with bo

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Speaker 3: Nix and Sehn Payton as collaborators here, and it's probably

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Speaker 3: I think a benefit for the Texans defense with how

498
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Speaker 3: aggressive they play and how frequently they are able to

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Speaker 3: make plays on the ball. Is he's throwing short of

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Speaker 3: the sticks on over half of his third downs. And

501
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Speaker 3: this Texans defense, they jump routes, They're super sticky and

502
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Speaker 3: aggressive in coverage, and they will play tighter than you

503
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Speaker 3: want to be played right and good point. And I

504
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Speaker 3: just think that that's a huge swing point of this

505
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Speaker 3: of this game because the Texans have had to score

506
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Speaker 3: points on defense to win some of these games because

507
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Speaker 3: the offense has looked so bad in spurts and flashes.

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Speaker 3: So I do think that this is where one of

509
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Speaker 3: the hinge points.

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Speaker 1: Is looking forward to Jalen Petrie. Maybe I'll pro right now,

511
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Speaker 1: would he be your best nickel in the NFL? He

512
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Speaker 1: might be my choice.

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Speaker 4: I can have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we absolutely. I'm looking forward to this one. Nico

515
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Speaker 1: Collins should be back, and so they're kind of figuring

516
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Speaker 1: out what there. I think offense is gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a lot of Jalen Noel,

518
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Speaker 1: a lot of Nico. You got Xavier Hutchinson, maybe a

519
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Speaker 1: little you know less of Jade Higgins and Woody Marx

520
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Speaker 1: in the mix. They got a chance. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this one. Let's take a break, and yes, we

522
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Speaker 1: got more good games in the early slate. For once

523
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Speaker 1: the early slate came through. Back at NFL Daily, I

524
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Speaker 1: just feel like the air has been let out of

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Speaker 1: the Bengals balloon over the last handful of days. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, as we learned with that Pittsburgh win,

527
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Speaker 1: like it just takes one win to just flip it

528
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Speaker 1: right back around. The question though with this Bengals Bears

529
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Speaker 1: game is will Joe Flacco be available? I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that was going to be such a serious question. But

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Speaker 1: let's listen to Zach Taylor talking about Joe Flacco's injury.

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Speaker 5: He wants to play in the game, and so kudos

533
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Speaker 5: to him. Man, he's been here three weeks. He wants

534
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Speaker 5: to play. I hetees speaking for him, but that's what

535
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Speaker 5: he's told me. We'll have to work through the week

536
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Speaker 5: to see if that's that's able to do that. It's

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Speaker 5: a throwing shoulder, it's painful. Does he need I mean,

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Speaker 5: you've seen, you've seen what he's done. Came in played

539
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Speaker 5: on a Thursday, you know, after three days of practice.

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Speaker 5: So I think if anybody, if anybody in this league

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Speaker 5: can get by with minimal reps right now, it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's him.

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Speaker 1: It's an acy joint brain in his throwing arm. We've

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Speaker 1: seen quarterbacks have those over the years. It's tricky. At

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Speaker 1: another point, Zach Taylor said it would be fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty if Flacco played.

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Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty and and that's a's this point on Wednesday, Well,

548
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Speaker 2: he wants to play, and our friends at spot Track

549
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Speaker 2: or spow Treck note in that contract that's seventy five

550
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Speaker 2: K for every win that Joe Flacco starts. So I

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Speaker 2: would I would want to play as well against the

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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears, who are three point favorites. Jordan against Joe

553
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Speaker 2: Flacco's Cincinnati Bengals, the over under is fifty one and

554
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Speaker 2: a half. He is out of Archiletta. There for the call.

555
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Speaker 2: Are we going to see a better version of the

556
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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears offense against the defense that has been rough?

557
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Speaker 3: And the sky would be falling in Chicago if you know,

558
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: it's that market if they don't see a better or

559
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Speaker 3: at least a more complete and consistent version of this offense,

560
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Speaker 3: because we see it in spurts and fits that this

561
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Speaker 3: offense really can be something and can do something. This

562
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Speaker 3: Bengals defense, it either implodes right away or it's a

563
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Speaker 3: slow implosion that is sort of happening over the course

564
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Speaker 3: of a game like it did last week. And I

565
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Speaker 3: would really expect the Bear the Bears to play better

566
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Speaker 3: than they have or at least more consistently, because I

567
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Speaker 3: think the ideas are there and I think the players

568
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Speaker 3: know what they're supposed to do. The penalties keep setting

569
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Speaker 3: them back. They are leading the league in penalties and

570
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Speaker 3: penalty yards against them, and I think it's it all

571
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Speaker 3: starts with running the ball. Yes, by the way, you

572
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Speaker 3: can run the ball against the Cincinnati Bengals defense, because

573
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Speaker 3: they are averaging. Not just they're not just one of

574
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Speaker 3: the words in terms of yards allowed in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: They're also allowing themselves to be blocked out of the

576
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Speaker 3: play on yards before contact at the sixth highest frequency

577
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Speaker 3: in the NFL right now, which is not good.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's not higher that that tape last week.

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Speaker 1: I finally got to it watching that Bengals Jets game.

580
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: That was a game that is part of a season

581
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Speaker 1: that gets an entire regime fired. That was a fiasco.

582
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: If that had been like a primetime game. It was crazy.

583
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Speaker 1: And they're playing these two linebackers, rookies Barrett Carter and

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Speaker 1: Demetrius Knight at linebacker and it is just not going well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've benched a couple of guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but there they don't have any choices like

587
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: they bench Logan Wilson. He came back in and he struggled.

588
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: Those two guys are out there basically every snap and

589
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: they are getting picked on. And I think Ben Johnson

590
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: and this Bears offense can be good at like targeting

591
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: a weakness on the opposing team and you don't have

592
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Speaker 1: to worry about the pass rush because Trey Hendrickson still hurt.

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Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart I went and checked, does not have a

594
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Speaker 1: QB hit or a sack this year. I think he

595
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Speaker 1: has three total pressures. There's just there's leaks everywhere. But

596
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Speaker 1: to me, it's like coaching and lack of talent, like

597
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: it's it's all bad.

598
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Speaker 2: And we see the coaching increase. When we've discussed Ben

599
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: Johnson and what this Bears team has done since the bye,

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Speaker 2: they have fourteen explosive runs since the that's far and

601
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Speaker 2: away the most in the NFL. And that since week five,

602
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: the one hundred and eighty three rushing yards a game,

603
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Speaker 2: and considering what Breeze Hall and Davis the backup did

604
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Speaker 2: against this Bengals defense last week, it's just hard to

605
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Speaker 2: not see a scenario where Chicago scores a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of points in this matchup.

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Speaker 1: The recipe is that Joe Flacco plays close to what

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Speaker 1: he's played lately, which is incredible. By the way, I

609
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: can't believe how well he's playing. I think people are

610
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Speaker 1: getting a little loss. It's like, oh, Joe Flacco, like,

611
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Speaker 1: you know, he's turning back to the playing this one.

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Speaker 1: Did he play this well normally?

613
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Speaker 2: Never played this like other than the hottest streak in

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Speaker 2: postseason history.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's those solo dinners man.

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Speaker 1: Really, at the very least, he is at his level

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Speaker 1: where he was during the peak of his career, which

618
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Speaker 1: is incredible. He was fantastic last week. Their offense is

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Speaker 1: kind of a wagon right now in terms of rushing

620
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Speaker 1: success rate inefficiency. They've been one of the best teams

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Speaker 1: in the league the last three weeks out of nowhere

622
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Speaker 1: after being the worst team in the league. So that

623
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Speaker 1: this Bears defense has its share of problems and start

624
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Speaker 1: the clock. I don't know if we have a sound

625
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Speaker 1: effect or anything. CD Deuce is back in the league,

626
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: chimes Gardner Johnson, So.

627
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Speaker 2: Are we starting the clock for him and DA to

628
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: have a very passionate conversation.

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Speaker 1: I love that they're back together. Strange bedfall fellows Dennis

630
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Speaker 1: Allen who once traded you know John C. Gardner Johnson.

631
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Speaker 3: Because but that's the thing, that's his pattern. He goes

632
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: back to teams and people that know him. He cycles

633
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: through these different defensive coaches and teammates that know him well,

634
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: and then you start the clock.

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Speaker 1: It's all had relationships that like had to end, but man,

636
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: there was a lot of good stuff to it. So

637
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: so you come back back.

638
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: Slide break in case of safety emergency, and then you

639
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: go to the Super Bowl. Oddly enough, like that's all right,

640
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: that's the method or C.

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Speaker 1: I could I don't know if I could see that happening,

642
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: but I could see like the Bengals really doing well

643
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: if lack of plays because it's been a little lost

644
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: that the Bears are down their top three cornerbacks. Kyler

645
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Speaker 1: Gordon was put back on injured reserve. Jalen Johnson has

646
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Speaker 1: been out like they have major injuries. My last I

647
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: just did want to point out it is a revenge game. Quietly,

648
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Speaker 1: do you remember how Zach Taylor got in the league,

649
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Like people would get on him a little bit because

650
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Speaker 1: he was friends with sem No, Mike Sherman's son in law.

651
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: That's how Yeah, he was Mike Sherman's son in law.

652
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Speaker 1: He was on that team, and then Mike Sherman was

653
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Speaker 1: at Texas A and m and Zach Taylor brought him

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Speaker 1: to Miami. This was a little highlighted because he was

655
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Speaker 1: on hard knocks and everything, and he ended up being

656
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach with the Dolphins for a long time.

657
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: You know who was his assistant quarterbacks coach who he

658
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: elevated over and became the offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson. So

659
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: it's like, Ben Johnson, you were just handed everything on

660
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: a silver spoon. I'm going to take it out on you,

661
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor.

662
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: You know what's kind of wild.

663
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm probably friends he wasn't.

664
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Speaker 4: I would.

665
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's seeming a lot of people are friends

666
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: with Zach Taylor. But it's interesting because it wasn't a burn.

667
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: I think it's it wasn't a burn.

668
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: I think it's true.

669
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like a sneaky way to

670
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: explain his career though, just people like him know that

671
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Faylor Jordan has the high ground.

672
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I recall back to I don't think

673
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: this was about him, but Ben Johnson's opening press conference

674
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: when he took the job. He's like, I basically want

675
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: to beat all the NEPO babies in the league. That's paraphrasing,

676
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: that's basically what he.

677
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Said, zeroed in, target locked on Zach Taylor. The Bears

678
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: are going to score fifty points. Let's go run it

679
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: up Dan Campbell's style. Let's get to another you know,

680
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: talking about Super Bowl contenders.

681
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Atlanta.

682
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Falcons, no not them, are on the road at the

683
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. Greg rosents All the Patriots are favored

684
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: by five and a half points. The over under is

685
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: forty four and a half. We do think Michael Pennock's

686
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: general will be back, hopefully for Falcons fans. It was

687
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: not the best cousins outing Andrew Catalan, our good friend

688
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Charles Davis and Jason mccordy. Are there can anything slow

689
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: down the New England Patriots of twenty twenty five, Greg, Yeah, I.

690
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Think this Falcons defense has shown that they can cook

691
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: up specific game plans that'll confuse you, and the offensive

692
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: line communication for the Patriots hasn't been great. Drake May,

693
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I think is taking the fifth most amount of pressure

694
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: in the league, which you.

695
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: Know, did those numbers go up because they played arguably

696
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: the one of the top three defensive players.

697
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: Of our era last They certainly went up. And actually,

698
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: the Falcons have been continuing to blitz a ton all

699
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: season and it's kind of stopped working the last couple

700
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: of weeks. They really have not been able to pressure

701
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: either the forty nine ers or the Miami Dolphins. So

702
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: do the Patriots have like a good short game type

703
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: of answer? Because I really thought Raheem Morris got out

704
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: coached a little bit by what to and Mike McDaniel

705
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: wanted to do last week. That isn't really Drake May's game.

706
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: He likes to hold the ball a little bit, He

707
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: likes to invite that pressure before he tries to make

708
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a play.

709
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this could be a pretty cool another

710
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: pretty cool Drake May game. I want to ask you

711
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: your opinion. Actually, you're more plugged in I think to that, well,

712
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: certainly to that team but also to that market. I

713
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: think in some of the reporting out there, Ramandri Stevenson

714
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: was not a practice on Wednesday. Oh so kind of

715
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: wondering what your instant reaction to that is.

716
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be anything until I saw the report

717
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are looking for running back help from

718
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Mike Reese at ESPN in the trade market. They wanted

719
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: edge help and running back help, and I'm thinking, I mean,

720
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: they're pretty Ramandri and Trevia Henderson. You would think that

721
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: would not be a primary position.

722
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: So I didn't know if there was like an injury

723
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: that we hadn't seen, or something that hadn't that hadn't

724
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: been reported yet, or if you've heard of anything, or

725
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: if maybe he's on the block. I mean, I don't

726
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: know if they're But then that report kind of He's

727
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: been playing well though, yeah, and but that report kind

728
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: of counteracts it. They seem to want to put Travion

729
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Henderson on the field a little bit more, which I

730
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: agree with.

731
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: And he played great until then he lost the fumble

732
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: right at the end of that game. So I was thinking,

733
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: he's a.

734
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: Patriots game without a lot of right, although it's becoming

735
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: a tradition.

736
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking that was a big step forward from him.

737
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Last week he had some good pass pro reps. But

738
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: like my my most obvious reason I'm a Patriots fan

739
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: is that I checked that Trayvon Henderson pass bro reps

740
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: every week, and uh, I do want to play more obvious.

741
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it is.

742
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: The pass per reps are are a little bit sick.

743
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to see him like on the field,

744
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: and there's only it's very easy to do. There's like

745
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: seven of them every week, and they had been going

746
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: poorly and they went great last week. They made a

747
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: couple of traits. We should we should do the news

748
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: portion of the show. Uh. Kean White, a second round

749
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: pick who threw two weeks last year. I believe it

750
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: was leading the NFL in sacks little known stat. I

751
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: think four sacks through two weeks last week. Last year.

752
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Was traded to San Francisco and Kyle Duggar, their safety

753
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: who got a huge contract almost immediately after their supposed

754
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: personnel chief, Elliott Wolf arrived in New England. Was traded

755
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: to the Steelers, both of them essentially for nothing for

756
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: sixth and seventh round pick swaps. So just they moved

757
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: up one round from the seven to the sixth. It

758
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: was basically they just gave them away. So there's two

759
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: former Patriots on that Steelers safety group, with Jabill Peppers

760
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: who started out the season there too. I don't know,

761
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: it's weird. It is weird to be Sellers just giving

762
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: away guys.

763
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: While you're leading the division.

764
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: Where it's Keon White. I get he was down to

765
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: being a healthy scratch and I think it was something

766
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: where he was not. He was passed by Kate Calebon

767
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: Chase on in camp and it just didn't seem like

768
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: that was working with Mike Brabel. Kyle Dugar, by all accounts,

769
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: was like accepted his demotion. He was out there for

770
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty. So they have like two safeties on

771
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: the roster. I don't get it. They're just getting rid

772
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: of all the Belichick guys. White for Marcus Jones.

773
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: White had four sacks in those games you mentioned, Yeah,

774
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: in the other thirty two he has two.

775
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guy who who's a pretty good interior rusher.

776
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: I love that trade for the forty nine ers. I

777
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: mean it probably only has like a thirty percent chance

778
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: of mattering that much, but if you use him as

779
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: an interior rusher, he could be fun. We should get

780
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: back to this game. Should we give the Falcons any

781
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: chance here at responding? Because I really do they seem

782
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: like a four and four type of team, you know,

783
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: is how I picked games. Sometimes I gotta say, the Patriots,

784
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: what are they right now? Six and two? They seem

785
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: more like a six and three. Well, I just forgot

786
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: if they had a buyer or not. This does seem

787
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: like a game to pick the Falcons just for that,

788
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: because they seem like a four and four team and

789
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots seem more like a six and three team.

790
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: How about that.

791
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: They're just so frustrating to me because they are so mercurial,

792
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: and you see an identity start to emerge from them

793
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: one week and then it's completely gone or easily sniffed

794
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: out by the opponent. Or they're beating their heads against

795
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: a wall trying to do the same things and getting

796
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: the same results and not adjusting or evolving the potential

797
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: of this defense, especially relative to expectation, is great. The

798
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: potential of this offense is great. This Atlanta Falcons team

799
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: is not meeting its potential regularly, and I think that's

800
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 3: very concerning and I don't I don't know if I

801
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: would pick them in any game moving forward. They're gonna

802
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: win some games, but I don't trust I don't trust

803
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: this team.

804
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: Well, they're power hitting on both sides, and there's high

805
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: variants with that blitz rate and also with the number

806
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: of plays where they're stretching guys out trying to get

807
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: Beijon to break six tackles, are relying on Kyle Pits

808
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: in the flat to get past guys, and you know

809
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: seeing Pinnicks fire those slants in to Drake London where

810
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: you know the ball could go the other way or

811
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Drake London could take it. It's it's just a high

812
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: variance team where the outcomes could be any number of things.

813
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: Like if you just watched the game in Charlotte, the

814
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: game last week against the Dolphins, you think this is

815
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: one of the worst teams in the NFL. Then we

816
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: see them against the Bills, the defense in that performance

817
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: against the Minnesota Vikings where it's like okay, like there

818
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: are the Falcons are a coin flip.

819
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: And then he was Zach Robinson was asked about it

820
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: this week about like our defense is showing you things

821
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: You're not ready for and he said, we've actually been

822
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: seeing simpler looks than we've been anticipating. What an insult, which.

823
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Makes it find the mirror on that.

824
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: One, but maybe kind of an insult to his players

825
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: is like more frustrating for everybody knowing, hey, we can

826
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: own these looks, we can anticipate what coming, what's coming,

827
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: but we just have to get it cleaned up. Drake

828
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: London is expected to be back at practice. They're also

829
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: talking about that. Darnel Mooney's kind of hasn't been himself

830
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: all the way back from his injury, but they think

831
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: this week now he's he's ramped up and he's ready

832
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to go. Michael Pennix is expected to take the majority

833
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: of snaps, so that's a good sign. On the other hand,

834
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: they're like it on paper, it's a mismatch when the

835
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: Falcons are running the ball, which doesn't make sense. The

836
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Patriots efens is built to stop the run. They're playing

837
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: bass defense. They're very good stopping the run. They should

838
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: be vulnerable against the pass. But the Falcons haven't been

839
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: very good running the ball. They're below average with Bijon

840
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: Robinson running the ball twentieth and rushing Dvoa.

841
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah it drives me nuts. Yeah, it drives me absolutely nuts.

842
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: This is We did a segment earlier this week about

843
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: things were haunted by and I almost knew I was

844
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: gonna get too mad if I brought up the Falcons

845
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: sort of wasting this Beajon Robinson season all. You know,

846
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: I just I can't stand it. It drives me absolutely nuts.

847
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: Now, you got to go against Chris Tanga. I'm not

848
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: sure how you you were give him a contract.

849
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: You were feeling like persnicketty this week. Greg, you could

850
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: give me this game and that would piss me off.

851
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: But I kind of want to watch it also, but.

852
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: I would give it to you, give it to you.

853
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: I hate watch it. Although I love what the Patriots are.

854
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: Doing right now, hate watching the Falcons because they drive

855
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Jordan nuts. It drives me nuts. Also, the punchline to

856
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: one of my favorite Pirate jokes will tell you one day.

857
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: The the San Francisco forty nine ers are on the road.

858
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: They're favored by two and a half points at the

859
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 2: New York Giants. The over unders forty eight and a half.

860
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan and Trent Green are on the call, and

861
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: it is a it's a sad one because we love

862
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: what Camps Kataboo was doing. The Giants not only have

863
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: lost Camps Kataboo, the league neighbors the injuries becoming a

864
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: whole lot. But they've still got Jackson Dark against a

865
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: forty nine ers defense and offense. Greg that had a

866
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: weird performance in Houston, still favorite about two and a half.

867
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: How do you see this one going?

868
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching that game and wondering, like, is

869
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: their offensive line becoming a problem. Maybe it's the matchup

870
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: that'll that'll happen, but they've had people in and out

871
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: of the lineup. Colton mckivitz was really struggling in that game.

872
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: And you know when they try to pass the ball

873
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: in this game, you do worry about that against this

874
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: Giants front. But then the answer to that is pretty simple,

875
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: just don't pass the ball, and just I know you

876
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: at some point, but this is the worst running defense

877
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: in the league by far. Like the gap between the

878
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Giants and thirty first is pretty wide right now, so

879
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: it could be a CMC get right.

880
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: I know you were like shocked about the Bengal statistic

881
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: that they weren't lower and I was like that, did

882
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: you forget about the Giants.

883
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: They're one of the worst run defenses of the last

884
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: twenty years, at least right now they are.

885
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I also think that this is another

886
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 3: game where to mitigate the pass rush that the Giants

887
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: do still have available to them. You get the ball

888
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: out quickly, especially to a mismatch player such as Christian

889
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: McCaffrey in the screen game and in the little quick

890
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: outs in the flat, and you ask their defenders to

891
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: come and tackle, which they don't do well, especially in

892
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: the second and third level of the defense. They are

893
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: they've been so just rolling through these these corners and

894
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: trying different things. They're undermanned there. This front is still

895
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: a strength in terms of the pass rush for the Giants.

896
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: I know that there's some weird I don't want to

897
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: say weird because it's but reporting about maybe Keveon Thibodeau

898
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: ahead of the trade deadline and just uncertainty throughout the

899
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: entire group, and that's that doesn't bode well either, especially

900
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: when you're coming off of just like the gut punch

901
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: of losing a player who truly boyd the the entire team.

902
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: Clearly, Skataboo is wheeling around the facility on Wednesday. According

903
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: to Brian, he can't get hard.

904
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: Do you think it is to keep that guy in

905
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: the chair honestly, like har do.

906
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: You think it would be?

907
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that will be. The hard thing is making sure

908
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: that he, you know, adheres to the timeline and doesn't

909
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: try to go to bananas during this bounce back. But

910
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: that was it was nasty to see, but it was

911
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: great to see, you know, his teammates helping him off

912
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: the field and the fans in Philly applauding him off

913
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: the field as well. And yet the Thibodeau conversation which

914
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: Mike Garifolo came out and reported that you know, the

915
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: team says they have no intention of trading kve On Tipodau.

916
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: I think that would be a great time Greg to

917
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: do what the Lions did. If you want to keep

918
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: him so much, go ahead and go ahead and lock

919
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: it up.

920
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's happening. There's so many injuries

921
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: on this team. You really feel for the Giants. So

922
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: Jermaine Iluminor, who's been great as a peck strain, he's

923
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: not practicing.

924
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: He did tell reporters he's going to play this week.

925
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: So that's a great sign, but it's much less certain

926
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: looking negative for cord Ale Flat, who's in the concussion protocol.

927
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Been their best cornerback. Paulson Adebo is still out of practice.

928
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: There are other big money cornerback and so like man,

929
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: that's just weakness on weakness, giant giants every o. The

930
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: forty nine ers need to win here.

931
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah they do.

932
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 3: They're still yeh, white baby, They're still creaking back to health.

933
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: Rock Purty may Or may not play. Kyle Shannon said

934
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: it was not a long shot. Now, Cynthia I think

935
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: puts it well in a much more succinct way than

936
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: I do. But it's really hard sometimes to tell how

937
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: truthful Kyle Shanahan.

938
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: Is because I'm the lion liar who lies. But she

939
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: has a personal relationship with him and somehow can get

940
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: away with that, I believe.

941
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 4: I think she's also a badass.

942
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: So oh, either way, that's for sure.

943
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so and then and then also it's you know,

944
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: no Brandon Nyuk, which is another problem. They're just they're

945
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: so decimated in terms of guys who catch the ball

946
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: for them that I do think this is it sort

947
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: of sets up nicely to play to what's a current

948
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: what a current team strength is. Help the line dig

949
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 3: in a little bit more. Don't have them pass setting

950
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 3: all the time they were. They had a new center,

951
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: They've had new centers in and out. Trent Williams looked

952
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 3: banged up as well against Houston. So you can solve

953
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: a lot of problems at once here and sort of

954
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: get your your team dug in a little bit more

955
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: if you just run the ball.

956
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if it, you know, if it was

957
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: a game plan thing because the CMC volume had been

958
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: so high, if Kyle was trying to restrict CMC touches

959
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: last week. You have to go back to like twenty

960
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: twenty one Panthers for CMC to have less than eight

961
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: carries in three catches and three targets, I believe against

962
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans. So maybe more a little more Christian

963
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: McCaffrey in this one.

964
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they just need their defense to get off

965
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: the field. Like I think this could be a good

966
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart fantasy type of game. And Jackson Dart has

967
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of replaced. Look, Drake may is still like he's

968
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: all that matters in New England and that that's.

969
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: The case, and in Los Angeles.

970
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like for this time of year,

971
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, Jackson Darts all that mattered

972
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: in all that matters for the Giants, and I've been

973
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: really impressed. He's been better than I would have expected.

974
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: And if he continues along this path, it's going to

975
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: be like a successful season in my mind for the

976
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: Giants if Jackson, if they feel like they found a

977
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: real franchise.

978
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: Court, successful enough to save save the jobs.

979
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: I think so. I think if Jackson Dart plays well

980
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the year, it makes sense to keep

981
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Brian Dable. That's my opinion.

982
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: I think that well.

983
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: I think what what also keeps Brian Dable and Joe

984
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: Shane is the fact that they've got Jackson Dart. You've

985
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: seen enough from him at this point to I think

986
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: sort of temper ownership a little bit.

987
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you gotta keep it going. That's why,

988
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: That's why it's all that matters. We got eight or

989
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: nine weeks to go. But the forty nine Ers have

990
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: the worst pressure rate of any team in the entire NFL,

991
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: so he could be protected. Well, let's take one more

992
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: break where we wrap up the early games of Week nine.

993
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: The official midpoint of the season is after Monday Night football.

994
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: Actually nine eighteen divide it by nine.

995
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good.

996
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Well, back on NFL Daily and noticing looking at this

997
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: next game, we're going to talk about that. G Reg

998
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: been on a lot of Panthers games this year, just

999
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of like Spirodidas is the designated Bengals guy. I

1000
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: think they're just staying in Cincinnati, Spire Adidas and friends.

1001
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we keep it so many and we'll

1002
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: go to Jordan Rodrigue, a pre Alta Panthers at the

1003
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers, who are favored Jordan by thirteen and

1004
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: a half points. The over under is forty four and

1005
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: a half. Aforementioned g Reg and Adam Amin are on

1006
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: the call. The only thing I think that matters in

1007
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: this game is Bryce gonna play, and so I feel

1008
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: like that number is way too high.

1009
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna play. Took all the first team

1010
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: reps this week of practice so far that a little

1011
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: good news, bad news sitch happening in Carolina. The good

1012
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: news is they have determined that Rico Dowdell, to my

1013
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: understanding of kind of the reports out of camp or

1014
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: out of practice, will be the lead back. They're not

1015
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: going to go with this very on again, off again

1016
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: two back system, frustrating that really I think limited the

1017
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: maximum potential of each running back. They're a week too

1018
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: late of doing this, because the bad news here is

1019
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: that they are missing multiple offensive linemen as they go

1020
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: against the best pure pass rusher in football, maybe ever

1021
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: in Micah Parsons and all so a very stout Packers front. Oh,

1022
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: they already were missing Brady Christensen he had the ACL

1023
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: or at the scunity Achilles Taylor Moten is questionable, he's

1024
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: been their stalwart right tackle forever. And Cade Mays will

1025
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: not be available. So this is not a great week.

1026
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: Never a great week to be missing your line, but

1027
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: having a quarterback coming back from an ankle injury and

1028
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: also facing the Green Bay Packers defensive front.

1029
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: That's why that number isn't that crazy. And it's one

1030
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: thing I've learned from Cynthia's model over the years, and

1031
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that different from some of

1032
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: the computer models that create these numbers. Is offensive line

1033
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: injuries really make the number move, so that that could

1034
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: be a factor, and I think it's baking into something

1035
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: that I've thought about, which is. I don't think this

1036
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: Panthers team is much better than they have been the

1037
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: last few years. Like they've found a way to win

1038
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: games against bad teams, and I think that's great, and

1039
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: I think long term, like we're going to be able

1040
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: to evaluate them. But when they play one of the

1041
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: best teams in the league, like the Packers are in

1042
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and maybe like the Bills were, you know, last week,

1043
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty overmatched. They's still like a bottom

1044
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: six or seventeen in terms of like just total talent.

1045
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: But it'll be good if Brice is back.

1046
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it will be just in terms of the

1047
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: way that the Carolina Panthers have been successful is moving

1048
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 2: the ball, running the ball successfully having key fourth down

1049
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: conversions in all of those wins to an extent that

1050
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: I think managing to get that thirteen and a half

1051
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: point gap becomes a little bit different because of the

1052
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: time involved and the Packers propensity to run the ball

1053
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: as well as the reason. Again, I'm not confident that

1054
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 2: the Panthers would win the game. I just the number

1055
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: feels like it's tilted a little bit more, especially when

1056
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: the Packers one of the more willing to run teams.

1057
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: Despite the way that they can be explosive in the

1058
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: past game they stay committed to it. Josh Jacobs has

1059
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: been very effective in the run game and the Panthers, honestly,

1060
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, we celebrated the growth and the shift and

1061
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: the ability to stop the run. The Bills exposed one

1062
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: thing with with the gaps, and it was not fixed

1063
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: over the course of the game. James Cook would still

1064
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: be running if not for the end zone being the

1065
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: limit to where the plays is.

1066
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I do think about that sequence in the offseason where

1067
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting Milton Williams and they ended

1068
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: up signing to Shawn Wharton sort of as a consolation

1069
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: price and gave him a lot of money. And he's

1070
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: struggled so far for the Panther so that that change

1071
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: has not worked. And yet you're going up against the

1072
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: quarterback who, more than any other is asking the people

1073
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: in this room why am I not on quarterback Island? Exactly?

1074
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I am not asking me.

1075
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm first in the NFL conversation and EPA for dropping back. Jordan.

1076
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Just keep it up and you can join your other

1077
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: Jordan's soon enough.

1078
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 4: I know, man, how fun was that to watch?

1079
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: I just I keep thinking about what Tucker Craft just did,

1080
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: and what Jordan Loved just did, and how well they're

1081
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: running the ball, And I think about Tucker Craft in

1082
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: a mismatch situation against like say Christian rose Boom, for example,

1083
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 3: and some of these defensive backs who have played really

1084
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: well at times but also are not really have not

1085
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 3: really been huge factors in run support either or catch

1086
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: and run support. I think the middle of the field

1087
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: is going to be wide open all day for Matt

1088
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: Lafleur to try to exploit and maximize this momentum that

1089
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: they have with this tight end that seems to be

1090
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: now turning into the volume one on this team the

1091
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: way we thought maybe a receiver would.

1092
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I regretted on Sunday night not making even a bigger

1093
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: deal of what Tucker Craft just a complis because the

1094
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: numbers are crazy, so let's just give him his love.

1095
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1096
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: The third most YAK yards after catch in a game

1097
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: by any tight end since two thousand and six, according

1098
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: to Jacob Gibbs on Twitter, and this season, you know,

1099
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: the most YAK per catch of anyone in the league,

1100
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: the most overall. Like he is, that dude, But I

1101
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: think part of that and I guess i'd have to

1102
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: go back and really watch it. But I think part

1103
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: of this offense becoming whole is Christian Watson. He looked

1104
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: great in his first game back, and he offers something

1105
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: no one else on that Packers team does. I think

1106
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: he really changes the upside of this entire offense.

1107
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, on all of the levels, right, because you see

1108
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Christian Watson in the way that these Packers receivers kind

1109
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: of get siloed into certain roles and he legitimately fills

1110
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: all of them in different spots where when they're all there,

1111
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: because I know the fantasy evaluation of the Packers is

1112
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: generally it's frustrating. We don't know where the targets are

1113
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: going when Christian Watson is there, right, The targets are

1114
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: going to Christian Watt like it. It is a constant thing.

1115
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: And we saw him with a great block to spring

1116
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: a touchdown as well, and I think right charting guys

1117
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: in their path back from injuries, like, yes, it was

1118
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: a devastating injury and it's going to take time for

1119
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: him to be one hundred percent fully back, just like

1120
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: it did with Tucker Craft last year. He was still contributing,

1121
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: but now we see like when Tucker Craft is fully healthy.

1122
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: How different things can be like with a full off

1123
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: season to be able to come at these things so.

1124
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: Not man, he looked back, he looks so fast. It's

1125
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: I guess you don't you never know. Yeah, but sometimes

1126
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: the guys come back and they're clear, like Christian Diresow

1127
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: right now, we mentioned just Trevon Diggs when he came back,

1128
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: like you kind of don't know until you see them

1129
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: on the field. And Watson. Maybe it's because if you

1130
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: take ten percent off Pete Christian Watson, he's still the

1131
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: fastest guy on the.

1132
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: Field, the very explosive, big fast player and the what

1133
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: what did I say?

1134
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 4: You just have away with the words. I'm sorry. I

1135
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: just like how you describe things.

1136
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a large person who runs fast and to contrast.

1137
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: That big guy run fast ross Tucker's game.

1138
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: No, sorry, no, let's go over to the Tennessee Titans

1139
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: where they are facing off. If Greg Rosenthal likes past

1140
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: blocking reps, might I introduce him to the starting running

1141
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: for the Los Angeles Chargers the past few weeks. Oh

1142
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Bannie Adell out of Troy University. The Chargers are eight

1143
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: and a half point favorites on the road against the

1144
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans. The over under is forty three and a half.

1145
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: The aforementioned Ross Tucker, along with Tom McCarthy calling this game, Greg,

1146
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: where we started to see things go right for the Chargers.

1147
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: Are you back on yes?

1148
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: That?

1149
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: Oh that was hesitance? Was it not?

1150
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: Well?

1151
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: It was he took bread.

1152
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: WHOA they're gonna get. I think they're going to get

1153
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: to their by at six and three, and they're coming

1154
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: off statistically their best performance of the Jim Harbaugh era

1155
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: on offense. And I think you saw just the energy

1156
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: that they played with on defense and some of the

1157
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: things Khalil Max said leading into the week and the

1158
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: injury that he played with that he is a force

1159
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: multiplier for that defense. So I still have questions there.

1160
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: But when Herbo is scrambling like that, and he is

1161
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: been as effective as any scrambler in the league right now,

1162
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: they should. They just should be a better red zone team,

1163
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: which is almost their number one problem as a team

1164
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: this year is being better in the red zone. And

1165
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: that was like a great red zone performance, So I'm

1166
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: hoping that reverts to the mean.

1167
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: I don't really correlate people's personal lives, especially I don't

1168
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: like to do this with players people's personal lives correlating

1169
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 3: to their play on the field.

1170
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't think the two are adjacent.

1171
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 3: I think that football players who play at a professional

1172
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: level are expert compartmentalizers and they can be a pro

1173
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: and all of that regardless of what's happening in their

1174
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: personal life.

1175
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: But oh, but took to week nine. What we want

1176
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: to step on your point. Let's go.

1177
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert's out of the house.

1178
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, Justin Herbert's.

1179
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: Out of the house and in the wild.

1180
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: He's at Dodgers games, he's at Lakers games, he's with

1181
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: he's I think he's dating Madison Beer.

1182
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: He's at Halloween parties. Yes, she's the common factor of

1183
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: all these.

1184
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: But he's got confidence and you know what, Like he's

1185
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: always been an incredible player, but you're seeing this, You're

1186
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 3: seeing more zest for life out of Justin Herbert when

1187
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: he's on the football field. And like, listen, I don't

1188
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: think the two are necessarily one and one correlated. But

1189
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: I love this for him. I love all of it

1190
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: for him. His play on the field. I mean, he's

1191
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: got he's got a little like zing to him, A

1192
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 3: little bit more. He's pointing on first downs, he's running more.

1193
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 3: He's really like lifting what this team can do when

1194
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 3: he does. And off the field, he's getting outside. He's outside,

1195
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 3: he's out and about. I think good for him.

1196
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was saying nine weeks so we got to

1197
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: the Madison.

1198
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 4: Ye, I was like, what's the trap?

1199
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm super familiar with, you know before this.

1200
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: But I do think winning has a little bit to

1201
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: do with with all of those things. Not necessarily that.

1202
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Because I think it doesn't have to be the cause,

1203
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: but they can be correlated.

1204
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure Justin had left the house prior to being.

1205
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: No famously famously never left the house like famously famously.

1206
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: He's like Davant, he has the taco bell.

1207
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: Inside of the house. I do think it makes us

1208
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 2: more likely to see him not at the house, considering

1209
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 2: his relationship status. But it's it's a it's a better team,

1210
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: I think, a better version of the team that's getting healthier.

1211
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: I was not kidding about Kamani Vadel in past protection

1212
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: where he was like a little portable offensive lineman out

1213
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: there where, considering like the issues that Bradley Boseman the

1214
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: bad you know, it's something that they needed. And as

1215
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: when Justin Herbert is making so many plays out on

1216
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: the edge, it's almost like he feels more uncomfortable within

1217
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: the pocket where he's not sure Yeah, out of the house,

1218
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: out of the pocket. The correlations are all there, it's

1219
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: all connecting. Whois Kaiser so saying where? I think, like

1220
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: we've just seen what a breakout for Rondez guests in

1221
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: the second everything is happening out outside for Justin Herbert

1222
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: and company. I would like to see the operation inside

1223
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: a little more succinct for long term, but if it's

1224
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: working out there, it's working.

1225
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: Joe All being back is the number one thing that, oh,

1226
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: it's incredible. Transforms this team and maybe even more in

1227
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the running game than as a pass protection, but certainly both.

1228
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 4: I think it's two things.

1229
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: One, yes, having Joe All back incredible, But I think

1230
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: really the transformation that you're seeing is a combination of

1231
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: Joe All being back and also Ronde Gadson emerging as

1232
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: a true double threat tight end so they can stay

1233
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: in these heavy personnels that.

1234
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: They love to use.

1235
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: You can be in twelve the entire game if you want,

1236
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: because you're getting the ability to block the way you

1237
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: want to for Kamani Vidal in the run game, and

1238
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: you're also able to disguise some of your passing looks,

1239
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: and you're funneling a lot of those that passing volume

1240
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: through the tight end who you can keep on the

1241
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: field for every down.

1242
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 4: It's so valuable.

1243
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: It's so valuable to have that guy thriving for this

1244
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: offense and for Justin Herbert, and in tandem with one

1245
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: of the best offensive linemen in the NFL and Joe

1246
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 3: All already in his young career. It's just I I'm

1247
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: back in, like I believe the Chargers.

1248
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: I was worried about.

1249
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: The best team in the NFL.

1250
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: I was worried about him for a while. I still

1251
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: want to see more consistency out of this defense. I

1252
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: believe that can come along too, especially getting a game

1253
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: like this could give them a good opportunity to get

1254
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: some of them confidence back.

1255
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 4: I didn't say momentum confidence back.

1256
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: Winning streak.

1257
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but I just I think I'm back yeah

1258
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: on the Chargers, I am so.

1259
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: This should be, you know, a matchup. They should feel

1260
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: comfortable on defense. I will say, though, that was a

1261
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: very good cam Ward game last week that I don't

1262
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: think not enough people saw he threw a late interception

1263
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: or he threw one interception that was like that he

1264
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: would like to have back. But other than that, I

1265
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: thought it was his best game as a pro, very composed.

1266
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: I think they found two dudes in too, Mary d

1267
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: k and alec I o'manner. Now they might be like

1268
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: a two and a three or two like whatever, but

1269
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: you just found two good NFL players. And then, my god,

1270
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing a bad job because not

1271
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: enough people hit me, like up on social or anything

1272
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: to ask me, did you see that Tase Spears game?

1273
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: Because my god, Taji Spears talk about coming back from

1274
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: an injury and back with the juice. He looked incredible

1275
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: last week, and that's one of the better now that

1276
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: Spears is back in, moving like that running back tandems

1277
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: in the league. So I actually feel like there's a

1278
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: little bit of positivity there. I know it didn't show

1279
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: up exactly in the box score, and the defense keeps

1280
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: trading away good players and wasn't very good to begin with,

1281
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: so that part of the it's bad. But I do

1282
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the difference of cam Ward the last

1283
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: two weeks since they made the coaching.

1284
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be more of a handful for

1285
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: the Chargers defense than people expect them to be. I

1286
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: think they'll make it competitive, especially early in the game. Ultimately,

1287
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: I think the Chargers take this.

1288
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 4: Easily, but I do.

1289
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: I like the way cam Ward has been playing, and

1290
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: you at least see the vision right Like I said

1291
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, they're trying stuff. They're seeing

1292
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: what's gonna work with this team moving forward, what kind

1293
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: of identity they want from.

1294
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 4: Their new coach.

1295
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they asked defensive coordinator Denard Wilson about the trade

1296
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: of Roger McCreary to the Rams, and he was just like, yeah,

1297
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, we started with with Roger McCreery and Brownlee

1298
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Speaker 1: and Lagarious Sneed and now Sneed's on IR and the

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Speaker 1: other two are playing with other teams and those were

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Speaker 1: good players. And I was just like, oh, that was

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Speaker 1: about as like, hey, why are you doing this to me?

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Speaker 1: Guys like we're trying to win over here. Good luck

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Speaker 1: to the Titans this week, good luck to everyone playing

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Speaker 1: in the early slate. We have one more preview show.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go through all the late games in

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Speaker 1: the primetime games, so just click over to that one

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Speaker 1: right now wherever you are