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Speaker 1: the biggest mistakes to lead to like a disorganized area.

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Speaker 2: I would say having too much stuff for the space

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Speaker 2: Being organized is not about being perfect. Being organized is

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Speaker 2: about having easy cleanup, having systems in place so that

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Speaker 2: getting your life back on track is quick and easy.

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Speaker 1: I have a new fiance. I'm learning to pick and

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Speaker 1: choose my battles. I'm like, I don't want to argue

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Speaker 1: about the silliest thing. So there's socks and then pants

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Speaker 1: that again he wants to wear you.

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Speaker 2: Oh the song? The song?

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Speaker 1: Besides the fact that there's a new Cheeks and Chill episode,

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Speaker 1: I love that Monday's are the start of a brand

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Speaker 1: new week, and that means a brand new start. And

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Speaker 1: that's what we're going to be talking about today, fresh

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Speaker 1: new starts. We're going to be talking to Janelle Cohen,

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Speaker 1: a professional organizer. She's going to teach us how to

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Speaker 1: take our old living and working spaces and turn them

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Speaker 1: into cleaner, fresher spaces. This is Cheeky's and chill. Sitting

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Speaker 1: here with me today is none other than the organizer

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Speaker 1: to the stars, Janelle Cohen. When she's not busy fixing

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Speaker 1: the homes of Jay Shehtty or the founders of Alo Yoga,

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Speaker 1: a number of publications like The Washington Post. Hi, Janelle,

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see you again.

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Speaker 2: So nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, of course, thank you for taking

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Speaker 1: the time. And I just want hopefully you're proud. My

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Speaker 1: Well, a little backstory, you guys, how I met Janelle.

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Speaker 1: I saw her on Instagram and I had her come

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Speaker 1: can you you also like decorate and I love the

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Speaker 3: Can you do that? So she did that for me.

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Speaker 1: She did the entire house because when I first bought

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Speaker 1: So I just said, here, this is kind of what

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Speaker 1: how whatever you see on Instagram, you guys, because I

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I love you so much to hear. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: also have a book I do it called Again. It's

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Speaker 2: The folding book, and the laundry room is the perfect

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have it there, because especially like men's shirts,

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Speaker 1: way of in your book, you explain this of folding

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Speaker 2: So yes, and it also reduces wrinkles, It takes better

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and I'm so happy for you because you

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Speaker 1: That's what I did, and you definitely did because with

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Speaker 1: we need to know in our life. So that's awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what is one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: I would say having too much stuff for the space

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Speaker 2: because you need to live for what your current circumstances

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Speaker 2: I believe you should be at seventy five percent capacity

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Speaker 2: to increase, decrease, move things around, tetris a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and it gives you wiggle room because there are days

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, because being organized is not about being perfect.

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Speaker 2: because everything has a place. You know where it's going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Everything should have

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Speaker 1: you suggest for people before they start organizing, obviously, like declutter,

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Speaker 2: And I don't have five different kinds of T shirts

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Speaker 2: no formula. But you absolutely editing is the most important

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Speaker 2: that's the clutter in your mind.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And that's how I feel right now. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Yes, because you are very very good at what you do.

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Speaker 2: of like it's a skill and some people have it,

433
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 2: some people don't. Some people need it to be to learn,

434
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 2: you know, and they can they can learn because they

435
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,360
Speaker 2: have the drive, but it's not natural. So I think

436
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,360
Speaker 2: that it's like a good thing. Figure out where those

437
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 2: holes are, what are those things that are really frustrating

438
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 2: and difficult and annoying to deal with, and then figure

439
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: out solutions around them because they're not going to change.

440
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to change overnight. So it's just like

441
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 2: accepting that breathing right and you know, then just doing it.

442
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I definitely don't want to come off as

443
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 1: like passive aggressive or feel like he feels that I'm

444
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 1: like his mom and I'm trying to organize his life

445
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to Obviously I'm not trying to emasculate

446
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: him in any way. It's just I like things a

447
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 1: certain way, and now that I've gotten older, and now

448
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: that you've organized my life, I want it to stay

449
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: that way.

450
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, now that I'm.

451
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 1: Older, I'm so particular, I'm so anal about certain things.

452
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 1: I just want things a certain way. And that's it. Like, oh,

453
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: you are preaching right now. Yeah, I'm like, what is

454
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: happening to me? I was like, I wasn't always like

455
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: this before. I'm like, okay, now I'm like, no, I

456
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 1: can't leave the house until this isn't its place. And

457
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 1: it's just getting it's getting a little like worse, you know,

458
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: or better. I don't know. I don't know if it's

459
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: a bad or good thing. It's just it's what it is,

460
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 1: you know.

461
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: It's everything in moderation, labeling, and also just like you

462
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 2: want to have control of your space, because there is

463
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: it's a subconscious thing. But we don't have control over

464
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 2: a lot of things in life, but we have control

465
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: of our surroundings. So at least for me, I feel

466
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 2: like when I'm feeling stressed out, when I'm feeling anxious,

467
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: that's when I'm like the bathroom is a mess. I

468
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 2: have to redo it, and I get a little crazy,

469
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: And I think it's just because I can control that, right.

470
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: I can't control what else is happening, right, and things

471
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: that you know are bigger than I am. But I

472
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: can control the way my bathroom sync looks, and I

473
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 2: can control that my clothes are put away, And so

474
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: I think it's like gaining feeling control, and I think

475
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: that it's a good outlet. I think though, also in moderation,

476
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to go so far that then it's

477
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: like you can't live your life because if it's not perfect,

478
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: you're not happy. So I think it's you know, somewhere

479
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of that and making it realistic. Okay

480
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: that honestly, I know we're talking about organizing, but like

481
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 2: I feel like we're having a little bit of a

482
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: therapy session because right now that you said that, I'm like,

483
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: I guess that's what it is. I'm like, I just

484
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: I can control this one thing and I want it

485
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: to be okay. And then my mind for some reason

486
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: has this space and I'm like, Okay, now I can

487
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: think about work and everything else I have to do,

488
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: but my home, my cars, even I cannot with a

489
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 2: dirty car. I'm like, I can't, Like if not, I

490
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: can't think it's like if that's I'm right, okay. I

491
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: think it's part of it is just taking control of

492
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: your space, Like take control of it, get that energy out,

493
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: set a timer. I mean, my advice is always to

494
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: put on a podcast and do an activity within that podcast,

495
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: because it's like your mind is working, you're thinking, but

496
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 2: you're thinking about something else. Right, So I'm thinking about

497
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: the conversation I'm listening to, or I'm thinking about the

498
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: story I'm listening to, and my mind is going, I'm

499
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: getting some stuff done, and then it's like, Okay, now

500
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 2: what do I have to do? Like what do I

501
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: have that I big that I need to accomplish, or

502
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: that I have to deal with, or that I have

503
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: to emotionally handle. I mean, I know, organizing is a

504
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: physical thing, right, it's your space, it's your surroundings. But

505
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: it's also very, very very emotional, and I feel like

506
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 2: a lot of my clients don't realize that, especially when

507
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: they do a closet edit. Like people sometimes have a

508
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: mental breakdown. They like they just start crying because they're

509
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: so relieved, and they didn't even realize they were so

510
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: stressed out by it. So I think it's just your surroundings,

511
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: your environment. Knowing what you have or where it is

512
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: can affect your ability to accomplish things every day.

513
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: I con oh my god, yes, And I realize is

514
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: that now that I've gotten older.

515
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, this is what it is.

516
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: It just makes everything better for it to be in

517
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: its place, you know, And I just have to control

518
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I understand that it's it's okay.

519
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Even if the scissors aren't where I put them in

520
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: the drawer and they should be there, then it's okay.

521
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: I think.

522
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: Now you gave me this amazing idea. I'm gonna buy

523
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: myself a label maker, think ye. And I'm gonna label

524
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: the shit out of everything. Yep, I'm gonna label everything.

525
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: He's here, scissors here, just the cleaning supplies because I'm like,

526
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: why is this cleaning supply? Because I did this the

527
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: other day. I organized and then I'm like, why is

528
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: this cleaning thing? I'm like, they all go together, you

529
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: see it, But maybe people don't see what I'm saying

530
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: because I organized it.

531
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Speaker 2: That's totally true. Like everybody sees things differently. I mean,

532
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: trust me, I see it on a daily basis. I'll

533
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: be like, what, that's what you But organizing is also

534
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: like my number one tip and how to figure out

535
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: where you should put things. As you close your eyes

536
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: and you think, where would I look for that? Where

537
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: would I look for the batteries? And that's where they

538
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: should be? And everybody's answer is different. And some people

539
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: say in the garage and some people say in the

540
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: I say, with my tools. Everybody has a different answer,

541
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: but it has to be where you would think it

542
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: goes and then label it because everybody thinks differently.

543
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, okay, cool, I'm going to do that. I

544
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: love shoes and I love bags, and I know a

545
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: lot of women out there do too. I used to

546
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: do this, and I don't know. It was a little frustrating,

547
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: but let me know if I did good.

548
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

549
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: But I bought like a bunch of plastic containers and

550
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: I put my shoes in the containers, and then I

551
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: took pictures of my shoes and I put the Is

552
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: that good?

553
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

554
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: Okay?

555
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Because I think I want to do that again because

556
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: right now in my closet they're open. But I feel

557
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: like they're getting dusty because I don't wear every pair

558
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: of shoes every day obviously, so I felt like they

559
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: were better taken care of when I had it in

560
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: that system.

561
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: I have mine in bins where they open in the front,

562
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: so they drop down in the front, so then you

563
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: can pull the shoe out and slide it back in.

564
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: I recommend that because then you don't even need to

565
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: do the picture thing and they can move around as

566
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: needed and you don't feel tied to it, but you

567
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: can still see them and they're protected. So yes, I

568
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: love that.

569
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: Okay, also, okay, cool? And what about bags? Purses?

570
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: They can bags because we have our go tos and

571
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: then we have the like do you recommend going organizing

572
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: by like these are my go to bags, my everyday bags,

573
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: and then a night like a date night bag or something.

574
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

575
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: So it's so funny because I have such strong opinions

576
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: about organizing purses, and I've organized a lot of purses

577
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: and a lot of incredible collections. I am a big believer.

578
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: Don't have it in the dust bag unless it can

579
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: really get damaged or a snag on something else. So

580
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: like maybe sometimes swayed I say, leave in the dust bag,

581
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: but besides that, take it out and just make sure

582
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: to dust them right.

583
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

584
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: Then I say, I like to do it by color.

585
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: And I like to do it by color because I

586
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes if you have like these are my

587
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: daily bags and these are my going out bags or whatnot,

588
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: I feel like then you get locked into using the

589
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: same thing over and over again. And there's some bags

590
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: that just never get to see the light of day. Yeah,

591
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: and they're so sad dying in your closet.

592
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

593
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like when you have things by color instead,

594
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: you're inspired, Like you're gonna get ready to go out

595
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: and you're gonna grab your you know, a bag for dinner,

596
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: and instead of grabbing the one you grab every time,

597
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: you'll be like, well, I was gonna grab black bag.

598
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: What other black bags do I have? Mm hmmm, And

599
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: then you can grab a different bag, and it gives

600
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: you the opportunity to wear more of what you have.

601
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: I believe, see everything that you have, because it's going

602
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: to inspire you to wear it.

603
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: Yes. Oh my god, I need you so bad. I

604
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: need you to come please help me, because that's what

605
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: I feel. I'm like, instead of buying another bag, because

606
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's ridiculous. I'm like, I still have bags

607
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: that I don't use enough, so what is happening. I'm

608
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: probably not seeing them or they're For instance, there's bags

609
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: behind other bags and I'm like, oh my god, I

610
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: forgot I had that, you know, so okay, by color.

611
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: There's no way you could go into your closet and

612
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: mentally remember everything you have. Like I get to the

613
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: grocery store and I can't remember if I've pasta sauce

614
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: at home. Like there's no way you could go into

615
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: your closet and be like, oh right, I remember that

616
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: bag I got three falls ago that looks great with

617
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: brown boots. Like there's just no way you need to

618
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: see it to really enjoy it.

619
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so see it.

620
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: And then as far as you're clothing, do you like

621
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: color coordinating as well? I like category and then within

622
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: that color blocking or color coordinating, but I feel like

623
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: the category is more important, So like jackets together, and

624
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: within jackets maybe like having blazers from casual sweatshirts and

625
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: sweatpants should be together, dressy tops, basic tops, pants, skirts,

626
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: Those are the categories that I feel like are important

627
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: and it's better to have those categories separate than deal

628
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: with color.

629
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm extra so I do color within the category.

630
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: But okay, if that sounds super overwhelming, you don't have

631
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: to do that.

632
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: Okay, now that you mentioned jackets and stuff. I had

633
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: a friend that used to do this, and I don't

634
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: do this, but she would put all her winter stuff

635
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: during summertime away and just bring out like her summer

636
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: stuff out.

637
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: That's what I do. Okay, I do that because I

638
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of space. So because I'm tight

639
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: on space, I have to be kind of vicious about,

640
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: you know, making sure that my summer spring stuff is

641
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: away so I could pull my fall out, which I

642
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: literally just did this weekend. It was so fun. But

643
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: I think that even if you have enough space, it's

644
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: really fun to do that. Because I didn't even remember

645
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: doing this, but I put like some yoga stuff away

646
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: that was like hunter green colors and they were like

647
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: more fall colors, and I put them away to make space,

648
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: and I forgot I did that, and then when I

649
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Speaker 2: pulled them out, I literally felt like I won the jackpot.

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is amazing. I have new leggings.

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Speaker 2: They're not new. I've had them maybe four or five

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Speaker 2: years now, but because I did that seasonal swap, it

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Speaker 2: made me feel like they were new, which was a

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Speaker 2: really fun, special feeling.

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Speaker 3: I love that feeling.

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Speaker 2: So I think that it's a really great thing to do.

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Speaker 2: And it's you want your stuff in your closet to

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Speaker 2: be stuff you're wearing current. Right, You're not going to

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Speaker 2: use a straw bag in November. It's just not going

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Speaker 2: to happen. So why see it on the shelf instead

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Speaker 2: put it away and then pull it out in spring

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Speaker 2: and then it's like so fun and exciting and you

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Speaker 2: feel like you got a new wardrobe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're so right. Okay, we need to do that too, because.

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Speaker 2: It's really fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm sure I have like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: jackets that, like now I can wear and I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited because it looks like it's gonna get cold. Find

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Speaker 1: my absolute favorite. I love falling too. Yeah, and okay,

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Speaker 1: so last question. Because I am a huge overpacker, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I need to be. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: think this is just me being like finding excuses, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, just in case I stay in extra day,

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Speaker 1: just in case I need my big bottle of shampoo,

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Speaker 1: Like it's ridiculous because everything's always overweight. Then it spills

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's honestly, it's ridiculous. But I can't

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Speaker 1: help it. I mean, are there any tips besides I know,

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Speaker 1: getting the travel sizes?

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Speaker 2: So actually what's crazy is that I'm also an overpacker

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Speaker 2: because I can pack a suitcase real, real good because

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Speaker 2: I fold like really perfectly. So I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring twenty T shirts and we'll just see

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Speaker 2: what I feel like. But I went on vacation a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago and we were going to multiple different

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Speaker 2: places for like a few weeks. And my friend is

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Speaker 2: a stylist, my friend Robin, So she came over and

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Speaker 2: she was like, Okay, we're gonna do this my way,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, show me Away's girl, and she

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Speaker 2: basically was like, Okay, what are you gonna wear on

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Speaker 2: the plane? Okay? What are you gonna wear the first

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Speaker 2: night you're there? Okay? Are you going out to dinner

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Speaker 2: that night? Okay? What do we And she like moved

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Speaker 2: my shoes around to like whatever, and she took a

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Speaker 2: picture of each bundle of whatever, of each little outfit.

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Speaker 2: I have never packed so perfectly for a vacation. I

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Speaker 2: had everything I need and for some stuff, I packed

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Speaker 2: like some stuff I rewore because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I can rewear this. But I had plenty and I

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00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: had an extra outfit or two and I was fine.

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Speaker 2: And I felt like I didn't have to spend any

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Speaker 2: brain power figuring out what I was gonna wear when

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Speaker 2: I was on vacation, because I was like, this is

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Speaker 2: the outfit that was picked for me today, and I

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00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: felt like I looked like a million bucks. My suitcase

705
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: was perfect. It was game changer. So I say, lay

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Speaker 2: everything out out really specifically, and then you'll see what

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: shoes you're naturally bringing, what bags you can naturally mix between,

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00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: and then you put your bra and underwear with that outfit.

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Speaker 2: So what bra are you wearing with that outfit? What

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00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: underwear are you wearing with that outfit? What socks are

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: you wearing with that outfit? So you have everything right there,

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00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: it's not like at the end you then have to

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Speaker 2: gather at all. It was amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's probably a game changer.

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Speaker 1: And do you put like your jewelry or like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear these little earrings with it, you take

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Speaker 1: a picture. And then I've seen those organizing bags on

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Speaker 1: Amazon as well, like where you can put your whole

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Speaker 1: outfit in there.

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Speaker 2: I actually I did packing cubes. I love a packing

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Speaker 2: cube because it's basically tuessing your suitcase and then I

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Speaker 2: just did it by day or like by like this

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Speaker 2: was the first week of my trip. This was the

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Speaker 2: second week of my trip, and that worked totally fine.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend a packing cube.

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Speaker 1: Okay, packing cube, got it labels check packing cube. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning so much And just a silly question. Do

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Speaker 1: you cause I'm sure like your fiance is probably like

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Speaker 1: so lucky you, like, do you pack for him?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, he lives a real privileged life. Like how awesome,

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Speaker 2: what a blessing he gets all his laundry folded by

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Speaker 2: me and organized.

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Speaker 3: And would she's so pretty?

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. It's so fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. I'm so happy for you. Okay, well, Janelle,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Honestly, I'm so grateful that he

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Speaker 1: came on the podcast. It was so interesting. I learned

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Speaker 1: so much and I'm sure my listeners did too. And

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Speaker 1: I'll be sending you a text message, see when you're

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Speaker 1: available to come help me with my lifey over soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh actually, you should share your your social media or

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Speaker 1: anywhere they can find you and your book and all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, straighten up by Janelle. That's my Instagram, that's

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Speaker 2: my TikTok, that's my YouTube, that's my everything.

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Speaker 1: I love it straight And my book is The Folding Book, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you can find that on Amazon target you name it,

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Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble. I love that, Okay. I was lucky

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Speaker 1: and blessed you you sent it to me, so thank you.

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00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: But you guys find it on Amazon. It's honestly a

752
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: really good one to have. You're gonna like, like, what

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00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: the heck? I could have the craziest things. You can

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Speaker 1: fold anything and everything, you guys, So make sure you

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00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: check it out. And you guys, before you go, I

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Speaker 1: always have a quote for you, okay. So the quote

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Speaker 1: for today, you guys is organization isn't about perfection. It's

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Speaker 1: about efficiency, reducing stress and clutter, saving time and money,

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Speaker 1: and improving your overall quality of life, which is what

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Speaker 1: we just talked about. And believe me, once you start,

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna love how you feel and it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of like, let me remove all this excess stuff

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Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily need that is just taking up space,

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Speaker 1: and it just gives you room to breathe in every way.

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Speaker 1: So Chanel again, thank you, and I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: and you guys, thank you for listening. And I'll catch

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Speaker 1: you on the next episode of Cheeks and Chill. Guys,

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