1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Official Jets podcast is presented by When bet Betty's a 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: team sport but Together When Beat, Eric Allen, joined by 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Jets Edge, Carl Loss and Carl. Following your social media accounts, 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: oftentimes you post the word one word limitless. What do 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: you mean by that? 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm limitless. There's nothing I really can't do. There's nothing 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: no obsolete I can not overcome my I'm never gonna 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: stop growing, I'm never going to stop getting better. It's 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: I'm limitless. There's no like, how good could you be? 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: Who knows? I mean, I'm in the mindset of, you know, 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: shooting for trying to trying to reach the sun until 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: I burn up. You know, that's limitless. 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Have you always been so driven? Looking back? 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I said I was. 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: But then again, like each time I've had some type 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: of adversity, I've seen how driven I really can be. So, 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think through a lot of suffering, you know, 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: you understand how driven you really can be. And so 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: now I'm in that mode. It's just like whatever life brings, 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: you know, could. 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: You talk about the physical suffering that you've had throughout 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: your football career. Let's just talk about football injuries going 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: back to the days at Armor. 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had so many different injuries and just like 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: you kind of ask yourself, why does this happen? And 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: what this? And that, like oh woe is me? And 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, and then you know, you get people like, well, 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: he's not gonna be this and he's not gonna be that, 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: and then it's just like it doesn't matter. Really. What 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: really matters is you get another opt to go out 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: there and just ball and see what happens. And it 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what anybody else says. It doesn't matter what 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: the circumstances are for life. As long as you keep 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: fighting and you don't quit, you're gonna come out on top. 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: So I think that's that's that's how it's been for 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: my injuries. And each time I'm just like I amazed myself. 37 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: There's recently, like I think like in the last like 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: two years, I was like that was probably the first 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: time that I was like WHOA, Like I don't know, 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: But even after that, I just keep I keep impressing myself. 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: I keep impressing myself. 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: So in that moment mm hmm, you allow yourself to 43 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: have self doubt and then how quickly do you turn 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: the page. 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Probably, I mean I think recently the longest one I 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: had was like probably like two or three days, and 47 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: and it lingered for like a long time, maybe like 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: a year. But like I only probably give myself probably 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: like about two days to two days or something like that, 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: talk to my family and then you know, and like 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: pick yourself up and like let's let's get it. Let's 52 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: get the work. 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: You're smart, dude. You follow what's going on out there 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: as far as sports is concerned. From an injury perspective. 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: If you look see, hey, maybe this guy in the 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: National Football League has had a parallel path as far 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: as going back to college, because you're talking about a 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: couple of acls and then achilles. 59 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: I think I tried to look at Frank Gore one 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: time and then I was like, there's no one else. 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: There's no one like me. There's no one, no, absolutely 62 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: no one that I know of. There's never been anybody, 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: no one, absolutely no one. There's never been anybody who's 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: had and I mean I've I've been blessed to meet 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: a lot of great people to help me physically get 66 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: back to where I need to be. But like I mean, 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm I'm overdoing it. But I can't name 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: any athlete that's had what I've had and just been 69 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: able to come back and come back better each time. 70 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know who to follow. 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: What were your expectations following the Achilles? You sign with 72 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: the Jackson and then the Achilles happens, and then people 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: are wondering, hey, what do. 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: You I'm wondering the same time, I'm like, yo, like 75 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: I did every thing right? Yeah, h you know, I mean, 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: of course I was feeling a little something, but I'm 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: like everything that was. I think that's why it was like, 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: come on, I finally get my op, Like, I did 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: everything right, I trained really hard. Oh what was me? 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: And then it's just like bam. So even with that, 81 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: it's just like pick yourself off the payment and keep doing. 82 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: That's it, you know, there's no there's nothing else between. 83 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: You were having an unbelievable camp. 84 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know. 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: But so you go to Green Bay that happens. Yeah, 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: what was that process like for you to get back 87 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: to what you did last year? Because I don't think 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: people give you enough credit for what you did if 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: you just look pure statistically, I don't think. 90 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: But I don't think it matters. You know, every time 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: you go out in that field, it's not fair or 92 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: not what. And I mean I didn't see it like that. 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: I was like, yo, I need to be I need 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: to go out there and be balling. I mean, but 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: I did talk to my mom after the season. She 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: was like, yo, what you did? She was like just 97 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: to be able to be out there. She was like, 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: you did fine, son, And I was like, I took 99 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, I take part in that. And I was like, 100 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: I was real happy about that part because you know, 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: I put a lot of pressure on myself and it 102 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: was like I didn't I didn't see it as that. 103 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: But that process was horrible, I mean physically mentally just 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: not being yourself and then trying to figure it out 105 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: because it's like it's not only an injury. Then it's 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: like you ain't play football in like two years, right 107 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: cause it's just like you know, I haven't hadn't had 108 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: a game, not two years. But like I think it 109 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: was like I think it was like I played for 110 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: my last game for the Bengals, missed the whole season. 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: Then you got a whole off season and you just 112 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: don't have football. So it's just like you're constantly trying 113 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: to get the body back right, and you're trying to 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: get the scheme right, and you're trying to you know, 115 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: get used to helmet and stuff like that. So it's 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: just like it was a lot, But I mean, it 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: only made me stronger. It's only gonna make me stronger. 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: It's only gonna make me a better man. You know, 119 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: one day, it's gonna make me a great father. All 120 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: the stuff that I've been through. So I'm blessed. 121 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: How unique was that rehab compared to anything that you've 122 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: experienced before. 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: It was the hardest thing you ever do because it's 124 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: like it's like taking your superpower away from you because 125 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: you can't train through it. You have to it's a 126 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: season of patients, and even throughout this past season, the 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: season of season of patients because you got to get 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: through like the growing pains and things of that nature. 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: So it's just it's really really tough when you can't 130 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: when you're helpless, and to be a helpless part like 131 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: helpless for anybody. It's like, you know, like I can't 132 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: control things that I can't control, Like, you know, I 133 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: can't work this thing because if I work this thing 134 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: to death. I wouldn't go to sleep, right, but just 135 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: it's just time and just being consistent and day and 136 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: day out and just trying to do your best. So 137 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: that's what I did, you know, and I'm here now 138 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: and I'm smiling. 139 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: So seven sacks in your first year back, twenty four 140 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: quarterback hits, fifty one pressures. Those fifty one pressures fourth 141 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: in the National Football League pressure rate. You're hard on yourself. 142 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: What did you think about what you and and what 143 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: you were able to accomplish as far as that first year. 144 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: Like I said, it's two different things. I don't feel 145 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: like I did well based off of what my expectations. 146 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: I have so many high expectations for myself, but based 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: off of what really I did extremely what what actually happened, 148 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: I did extremely well for the situation. Like I told you, 149 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: I was talking to my mom, like after the season, 150 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: she just you know, she she she allowed me to, 151 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, not beat myself up. And because you know, 152 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: you got to be because when you're in that mode, 153 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: you have to. You're in the most competitive field in 154 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: the world and you have to be you have to. 155 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: You have to be your biggest critic. You know what 156 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying because like I've been in the NFL and 157 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: I've seen stuff and coaches with you know, not saying 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: this about my coach, but coaches be like won't say 159 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: stuff to guys, and guys think stuff is okay, Like nah, 160 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: like your piss gotta be hot like at all times, 161 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: like because this is everybody wants this job and I'm 162 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: blessed just to have it. So yeah, so I'm really 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: really hard on myself. You know. 164 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Can you speak to that as far as your relationship 165 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: with your mom, because uh, I think about my relationship 166 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: with my mother and stuff like that, like in those 167 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: times when hey it might be a gray day, like 168 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: that's so important. 169 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: I mean, she's she's very much in that same like 170 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: go get her mindset. She's like on tons of businesses, 171 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: hair salon's real estate, been on been on TV tons 172 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: of times recently. You know, she's just she's just a monster, 173 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: you know. So, I mean she's but she also knows 174 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: how to like she does a better job of being 175 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: able to chill and just be like relaxed and it's okay, 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: like you're gonna be fine like that type of deal. 177 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: So I mean it's That's that's where I get like, 178 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: you know that that that chill, you know what I'm saying, 179 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: Like she like that that buying balance and looking at 180 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: her and you know, knowing when to not be stressed 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: and when to be stressed. Is that's a good resource 182 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: for me, you know, talking to her. So that's our relationship. 183 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: How much do you love the game? How much do 184 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: you love your craft? Because if people I wish they 185 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: had an opportunity come out here at one Judge Drive 186 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: and watch you with practice because oftentimes the defensive line 187 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: might be working on their own stuff and you're always 188 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: doing something. 189 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, cause I mean it's just fun. I mean like 190 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: I can get better at something, Like I think I 191 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,479 Speaker 2: never I'm never at work, Like I'm never like I'm 192 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: I'm doing this for free. Like I'm like I'm happy, 193 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I have, I really 194 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: do love this, Like I'm not like it's never a day, 195 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: Like when I get in the building, it's just like 196 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: that I feel like I'm at work, you know, So 197 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: it's easy to just go. You know. It's kind of 198 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: like almost like playing a video game. I love playing 199 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: Madden because you have attributes and you can work on yourself. 200 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: Same concept. When I get here, it's just like all right, 201 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: and it's like, all right, well, you don't have these 202 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: tools to do this. I'm like, well, can I work 203 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: at it? Like if I can, if in the realm 204 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: or something I could do, I'm like, Yo, let's let's 205 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: see if I can get this thing done. So that's 206 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: just how I think about it. 207 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: You know what what makes for a great pass rusher? 208 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: The ability to I think the ability to finish is 209 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: that's something that's I've just been working on for like 210 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: my whole career, and I'm not gonna stop until I 211 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: get it. I think the ability to finish, that's what. 212 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: But get off. Get off is the first fundamental for 213 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: a great pass rusher. And then I think the ability 214 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: to finish in whatever regard, whether it's off, the speed 215 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: to power off the edge. I think those are the 216 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: two things that make for a great pass rusher. 217 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: What do you do in the off season? Not just okay, 218 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: like you said, you have a hard time shutting it off, 219 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: but as far as approaching the craft away from here 220 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: because you're getting coached up here. But the one thing 221 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: that if you follow anything as far as social media, 222 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: is concern. Like you're in there, You're in the lab. 223 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like trying to just find always trying 224 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: to find something improve on it. And like I said, 225 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: I love I love this, so I like I want 226 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: to be a part of something. Like you know, I 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: don't plan on retiring for like a long long time, 228 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: maybe like like after like thirty five, but like I 229 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: love football enough. Like I'm in the lab, I'm watching 230 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: trying to see stuff that I could add to my 231 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: game to make myself better. If it's in a room, 232 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: it's something I can do. And I just love watching 233 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: the game. I love watching different people. Like I can 234 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: see why scouts are scouts because they just they just 235 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: love picking at people's because they love football too. So yeah, 236 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: I just I just love everything about the game and 237 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: just you know, a lot of stuff that we do 238 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: in trading. It's just like understanding movement movement coach that 239 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: I haven't uh Tony Vellani down there, and like you know, 240 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: seeing how that translates, like how receivers and defensive ends 241 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: are damning the same, and defensive backs and offensive tackles 242 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: are very very similar, right because one is an attacking 243 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: When I said, you know, like a defensive end, we 244 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 2: know where we're going, we're approaching, and then defensive backs 245 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: and offensive tackles and often like they're moving backwards and 246 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: they have to if they get out of position, you know, 247 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: they have to you know, stay in position to play well. 248 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: So it's just it's just cool. I love everything about 249 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: the game. 250 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: Why are you able to do it? Why are you 251 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: able to be successful? Because if you go back and 252 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: look at the scouting reports coming out, and you know this, 253 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 1: everybody talks about past rushers all the time, talking about length. 254 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, get off, get off, and I've probably yeah, I've 255 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: I've topped three power in the NFL, So that's probably 256 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: I think those are my those are my attributes that 257 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: I you know, I want to add on to and 258 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: then I want to add all the stuff that I 259 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: don't have, uh and make that really really good and 260 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: I think that makes you into a great player. So 261 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: that's what I've been striving for each and every year 262 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: in my career, maximizing the talents that I do have, 263 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: get off and explosive power, and then and then maximizing 264 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: the stuff that I might be lacking on. 265 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Who are the best pass rushers in the National football 266 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: over right. 267 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: Now, uh. I mean the guys that got the most 268 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: sacks consistently each and every year. I mean, you know, 269 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: Garrett for one, Bosa Parsons, you know, t J. Watt, 270 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: you know the guys who are consistently, you know, getting 271 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: those double digit sacks each and every year. I mean, 272 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: Hassan Reddick has done it, you know, I mean shout 273 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: out to him. Trey Henderson has done it consistently. Those 274 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 2: double digit sat guys, you know, and it's really fun 275 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: to see those guys too. That's why That's another reason 276 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: why I'm motivated, because it's like you the NFL is 277 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: really one of those places where you can you the 278 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: narrative about you can change in a heartbeat and a heartbeat, 279 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: and people can doubt you and and things like that. 280 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: And I look back to it and I was like, 281 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: this is one of the biggest motivations I've seen. I remember, 282 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: and I'll forever look into this. I remember in two thousand, 283 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: I think eighteen, I think the Bucks played Pittsburgh and 284 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: then Joey Porter came on and was talking about how 285 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, TJ. Watt and Bud Dupree were blahed. A 286 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: lot of we need pass rushers, we need this, we 287 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: need that. It is. It was so fun to see 288 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: the sension of Bud Dupree the following year, and it's 289 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: so fun to see the sension of Tjat because I 290 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 2: was in that division to see how much better they 291 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: got as players, and they didn't, you know, talk about like, 292 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: you know, oh my coach said this about me. I'm like, 293 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: the one dude when changed himself is being considered just 294 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: an athlete and then had a ten set sax season 295 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 2: to following your and Bud Dupree and one dude's on 296 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: the way to the Hall of Fame. Yes, So it 297 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: doesn't matter who talks about you. It doesn't matter who 298 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: says anything about you. It's just like the narrative can 299 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: change like that. It's what you do. It doesn't matter 300 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: what they say, is how you respond. And those two responded. 301 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: And I don't want to give them two credit because 302 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: I was a Bangalo for a long time the Pittsburgh 303 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: but I was I was so like, you know, I'm like, 304 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: I'm not where I want to be, but like there's 305 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: the op to get there, you know what I'm saying 306 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: that that's it. I can I can visually see that. 307 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: I've visually watched that happen, so it was really cool. 308 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: You know, Jets fans were in our final push and 309 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: the clock is ticking. 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The best part you get an 319 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: entry for every one hundred dollars you wager. 320 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: What do you think's next for you to. 321 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: Keep getting better? That's it. That's what I mean to 322 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: get the best version of myself. I'm not I'm not 323 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: stopping until, like you know, until like the OP is 324 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: not there. I have an opportunity. I'm just gonna keep 325 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: taking advantage of it. You know, the op I have 326 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: the OP. That's it. And take advantage of the op 327 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: And so I'm gonna keep getting better. I'm gonna get 328 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: the best version of myself and I'm gonna keep working. 329 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about this group? 330 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: But defensive uns here? 331 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: I think we got a lot of like minded people 332 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: like myself, man, a lot of and it's like, you know, know, 333 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: like what is and that's That's another cool thing is 334 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: like when you got a room touch for talented guys, 335 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: like how do you not elevate? How do you not 336 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: get better? It's like no offense to like, you know, 337 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: anybody who I was with in Cincinnati, you know those 338 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: are my ogs, but there was nobody like, you know, 339 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: just like straight like I came in to kind of 340 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: like with Michael Johnson and Carlos was kind of like 341 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: very different style pass rushers. There were six seven a 342 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: lot of bad at balls that are like there's never 343 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: been no like get off type rushers that I've been 344 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: in a room in or different styles like with JFM 345 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: and and and Bryce and Jermaine and now we got 346 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: well who Bendon. And I'm not saying I'm a copy 347 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: everything that they do, but like I get to see it. 348 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: I get to see the body with cannons. I get 349 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: to be pushed by that, you know what I'm saying. 350 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: So I'm like, there's only way that one thing that 351 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: can happen. You elevate, that's it, because you've got a 352 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: room full of dogs. 353 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: So so word association, let's play a little bit of that. 354 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Jfi you very unique and limber and strong for his 355 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: his foot quickness is ridiculous for how big he is, 356 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: and he's he does things effortlessly and he is very powerful. 357 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, Jermaine Johnson, very long. 358 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: Very technical, he's stronger than what he looks like, very 359 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: very fast. Yeah. I like Jermaine. He's very He's like 360 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 2: a very like technical, technical rusher. He can do a 361 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: lot of good things and he uses length. He's kind 362 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: of similar to like I see a lighter version of 363 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: of Cam Jordan m. Yeah, a very very lighter version 364 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: of Cam. 365 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: I saw him today coming over to you while you 366 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: were getting in your stance and working on a couple 367 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: of things, and he was getting in your about Bryce. 368 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: Uf explosive speed and power, bend bend violence, just like 369 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: almost like like a bomb went off. He's uh, he's 370 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: I wanted to say, like he's like a little bit 371 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: he's kind of similar to like matthis, but like not 372 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: as bendis mathis, but like as far as like twitched up, 373 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: he's kind of like ever Sin. So he's like he's 374 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: very unique in like what I've seen on tape, Like 375 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: but just like, don't just I'm taking off, like hey, 376 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: I don't hear nothing else. I'm like I'm getting like 377 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: that's it. Like, so that's kind of like what I 378 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: say for Bryce. How about Michael Klements A force, very 379 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: very violent. You know, you know the word violence is coming. 380 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: That's I think that's what they drafted here, like violence. Yeah, 381 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: that like, uh, he can he and he he did 382 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: a lot in camp. He can play inside really really well. 383 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: He did a lot and he just I mean, he 384 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: just didn't get the op, but he was. He was 385 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: really really well. He had a mean cross shop in camp. 386 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 2: He can get off, he can penetrate, and he can 387 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: run as fast as the wind. I mean his I 388 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: don't know what his combined forty time is, which is different, 389 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: but his strides and his length he's very high cut effort, 390 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: violent and efforts, violent and effort. He got a mean 391 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: cross shop. Yeah, I mean there's not really somebody I 392 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: would compare him to Mike is Mike, but yeah, that's 393 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 2: kind of what I see for him. 394 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, has talked about that and using his versatility. 395 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: Like I remember in camp, I was watching him and 396 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: I was like he could play inside like he's he 397 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: was winning really really fast too. 398 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, how about the rookie. Will McDonald's very very, 399 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: very very bendy, like you know, just touching the ground. 400 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: Just from what I seen him in the drills, he's 401 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: very very relaxed, and I feel like because I feel 402 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: like he's he had he doesn't. He's not very and 403 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: not very entitled to much, and he's gonna let he 404 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: even when he's stressed, he's not stressed. He's like, man, 405 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: I gotta get this right. I'm like I'm over here 406 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 2: freaking out, like man, I need to do. He's very 407 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: very chill, you know what I'm saying. He's very very 408 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: and that's his and I think I'm thinking, was the 409 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: interview smooth as fast? That's that's accentually what what what 410 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: he does well is smooth fast, you know, very very 411 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: like he like he're shaking like day day from Friday. 412 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: Like he's he's you see him jumping over cars and stuff. 413 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. He's smooth man, So I mean 414 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: that's kind of what he what he is. That's even 415 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: his personality is just very very very chill. But he's 416 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: not like a lack of urgency. I don't want to 417 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: say that, but it's just letting life come to him. 418 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: And that's kind of how I see what his past rushers. 419 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: It's like I'm just gonna touch the ground and just 420 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: bend him come around the corner. 421 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: You know. 422 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: That's kind of like, you know, I do it effortlessly. 423 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I see for him. And 424 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: as far as comparing him to pass rushers, I feel 425 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: like there's been guys that there was. He's not real, 426 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: real well named known, but like we had a guy 427 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: here a couple like a year ago. His name was Tim. 428 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: Tim Ward. He's probably like, you know, a more a 429 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: stouter version of More and a more football aware version 430 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: of Tim, you know. So that's what's what I see. 431 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: You are so insanely competitive, and you're talking about something 432 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys having like mindsetses you. What's 433 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: it like if you see a guy because you have 434 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: whether it's in your room now or not the defensive 435 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: line room, but inside the locker room or back in 436 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: Cincinnati or back at Aufern, who does not have the 437 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: same drive. How do you approach that? 438 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: At first, I had the mindset to just leave that 439 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: guy alone and stuff like that. But I think I 440 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: was like, I hope I don't not. I was talking 441 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: to one of my coaches here and he was telling me. 442 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: He's like, you can't have that mindset towards people. And 443 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: it was a valuable lesson because he was like, you 444 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: don't know what people are going on throughout their life. 445 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 2: You don't know what they have. Because I was like, man, 446 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: because this is when I was in that whate was 447 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: me type deal, was like, man, I've been through so much. 448 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: Da da dada dah. Like if this guy doesn't care, 449 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: why should I care about him? And I had to 450 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: take a step back when I was talking to this 451 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 2: coach and he was like, Yo, you don't know what 452 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: people have going on in their life. You don't know 453 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: what's going on in their daily day, today's stuff and 454 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: so to So when I see that, I'm just like, 455 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: first figure out what's going on in that person's life, 456 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: and then try to get him on the right path 457 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: or get him on the same wave, and you know, 458 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: and then help that person maximize his talents because if 459 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: we're all better, you know, the team is better and 460 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: we all get the accolades, and it's just better just 461 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: to be a good overall human being, just to help 462 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: society grow. So when I see that, I want to 463 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: first ask what's going on in your life, you know, 464 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: to make your job first, football not your main priority, 465 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: or not have that mindset and not take advantage of 466 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: the op that you were given. You know what I'm saying, 467 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: like what what? 468 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: What? 469 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: What's going on that you know that's that's causing you 470 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: not to be like that? And then a lot of 471 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: times if you get to actually sit there and talk 472 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: to people and understand them, you will be able to 473 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: help guide them to to take an appreciation for something 474 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: that's very that they love to do and is uh 475 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: and is very it's very flimsy because we could lose 476 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: this game at any time. So I kind I think 477 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: that's kind of like my answer. And as opposed to 478 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: being like, man, I forget this dude, it's like, let 479 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: me try to understand this person first, because they're they're 480 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: in this building for a reason. There's there was at 481 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: some point like they love football, they want to provide 482 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: for their family, right, so what's taking you away from that? Yeah, 483 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: you know so that's kind of yeah, that's kind of 484 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: how I think about it. 485 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: Robert de Niro was in a movie called Bronx Tell 486 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: He said his character at one point in that movie said, 487 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than wasted talent. 488 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 489 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: I kind of think that is the way your approach 490 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: is to everything, that you are going to maximize everything 491 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: you got. 492 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, that's and that's what I'm saying. 493 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: I'm getting better at doing that because a lot of 494 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: times you tell yourself that, but then you really really 495 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: really life like when life hits you hard, that that's 496 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: when you really know that you're not you know you 497 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: if you're thinking about quit, and that's when you know 498 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: you're not doing enough. So yeah, that's like, that's that's kind. 499 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Of but do you do you ever quit? 500 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: I've gotten I've gotten close and all one time and 501 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: like that was like a year I didn't quit, but 502 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: it was like the first time I was like, obviously 503 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: this wasn't meant for me. And I was, as I said, 504 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: I gave myself that tour through gap and that's that's all. 505 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: Faith in God, that's all. That's what he was like, 506 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: he wouldn't let me quit that. But that was the 507 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: one time that I was like, I'm not quit, but like, yo, 508 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: like I've done everything I could do. What's going on? 509 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: Like maybe this just wasn't meant for me. I got 510 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: over and I told you I got them two or 511 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: three days and like, hey, let's let's get to the suffering. 512 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: Like you know, but it is what it is. 513 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Defense be he saw the strikes. 514 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: I think the sky's limit. You just gotta keep adding 515 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: on to each and every single day, each and every 516 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: single day, just keep working, keep getting better. And we're 517 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: already way ahead of where we were last year. Every place, 518 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: you know, there's there's stuff, but we just gotta be 519 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: consistent and we gotta I got coaches talking about today 520 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: just like the little things, you know, the we could 521 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: be good all the way up until and then those 522 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: small details like we had something maybe in two minutes 523 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: we didn't take care of. And that's that's the different 524 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: those six inches. Finding those six inches in our game, 525 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: and that's when our defense can realize our potential when 526 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: we get those turnovers that you know, those those things, 527 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: those things. 528 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: How much do you appreciate what's going on in the 529 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: back end. You saw Sauce Gardner come in take the 530 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: NFL by storm last year, DJ read Rifley Soul getting 531 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: a lot of credit for scary hours. 532 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: Scary hours. Scary hours, I mean when you got it 533 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: on all all three levels and then let's bring it. Hey, 534 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: let's let's throw a Hall of Fame quarterback in there. 535 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: That's right, scary hours. So I don't want to say, 536 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: you know, put but besides this year, I'm putting expectations 537 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: on myself. But I'm gonna leave everything else. You know, 538 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: we just gotta keep working. You know, we got the groundwork. 539 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: We just gotta keep working. 540 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: Rogers, what has he been like just in the brief 541 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: moments we've had on the field, and also what's he 542 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: likes the guy as a teammate. 543 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I've every time I've met him, he's 544 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: just been like one of those like calm but confident. 545 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 2: You know, when I played in my rookie year, I'm like, 546 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: I'm like sacked him like four times. It's my breaking 547 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: out party. We're up by twenty one points in the 548 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and I'm looking at him. He's like fifty eight. 549 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: He's got a little chin strap halfway off. I knocked 550 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: it off my first play, took his helmet off. I 551 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: was like, I thought I'd get a flag. But he's 552 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: like in the fourth court, he looks at me from across, 553 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: He's like, fifty eight. Calm down, Like, I'm like, what 554 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: are you talking about? Calm down? Like we're up and 555 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: I've been sacking you all game, I'm like, what are 556 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: you talking about? Sure Enough, twenty one points in the 557 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: fourth quarter comes back in beazzas. That's that's a that's 558 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: a dude, man, that's a that's a dude like you 559 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: not there's no pressure on you in the fourth quarter 560 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: after you got sacked this many times and you come 561 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: back twenty one points. 562 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: Did you remind him of that? 563 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what I need to tell him for. 564 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: He's probably he does it like. 565 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: No, I know he does it all the time, but 566 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: just I don't know. 567 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 2: I don't I don't sit there and mind if he 568 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: reminds me to calm down. In Green Bay, he's like, 569 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: calm down. He's like, fifty eight, Calm down. So the 570 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: last three time I seen I was like, fifty eight. 571 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: Calm down. When I saw him the other day, he's like, hey, 572 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: fifty eight calm down. Oh so you do he remembers 573 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: that it's been four different times. I'm just like he's 574 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: about to out here sling the ball around like he's 575 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: passing out poker cards or whatever. So all right, I 576 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: just know what it is. Every time I see him, 577 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: I'm just like, here we go. 578 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: Man. I love what you just said. Downstairs, just said 579 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: they approached you about a contract renegotiation, and you said, 580 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, hey, I can take less now and 581 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make more down the line. 582 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not even about like it's not even really 583 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: about like money like that is like I plan on 584 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: playing a really really long time and if people give 585 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: me ops, which I think i'll you know, cause I'm 586 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: gonna get better and better and better and better and 587 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: better and better and better. I'm gonna get those ops 588 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: to play. So I mean not really a you know, yeah, 589 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: of course I'm a I'm a prideful person, but I 590 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: mean like I'm more sensible than anything. You know what 591 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's just like it wasn't really it's not. 592 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't really a phase to me. It was more 593 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: so like it didn't phase me much. I just wish 594 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: it was like so I could focus on my training. 595 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: It was just done a little bit earlier. That's it. 596 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: That's the only that's the only thing. That's it. Like literally, 597 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: and then I plan on playing a long time. It's 598 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: like I have a lot of money, like and I 599 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: don't know, I haven't even really spent it. Other thing 600 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm spent it on is just making sure my family 601 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: is straight, you know. So it wasn't really a as 602 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: big a hysteria as it was. I'm like, I'm getting 603 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 2: calls from my grandpa, like early in the off season, like, yo, 604 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: you're talking about this. I'm like I'm like yeah, I mean, 605 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: I guess, Grandpa, like what do you want me to 606 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: what do you want me to say? It's not that, 607 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: but but I guess in the social media world, it's 608 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: like a big thing. So I gotta get I guess 609 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: I gotta be more aware of like I don't know, 610 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know as some mass hysteria. I'm 611 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: just like, just come talk to me, like, you know, 612 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: get us done. We need a quarterback, especially Rogers. But 613 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't want to get 614 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: into it. I loved I'd rather just be in the football, 615 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: the true, purely football side of things, not like money 616 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: and contracts and all other stuff. 617 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: What did it mean to you when Roberts said he 618 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: was asked to the league meetings in Arizona this year, Hey, 619 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: what do you see? What do you envision Carl's future 620 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: being with the roster Because at that time a lot 621 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: of people were talking about, well, hey, maybe he's a 622 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: cap casualty and Roberts said, clear is day that as 623 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: long as Carl can walk, pass rushers don't grow on trees, 624 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: he is not going anywhere. 625 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: Oh I mean yeah, I mean I guess that's what 626 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: it is. What it is. I mean, like I don't know. 627 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: I just didn't I didn't really understand like why it 628 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: needed to get the hysteria, and like, I guess it's 629 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: just for people to talk about just to get to 630 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: that point. And if it's you know, and if they 631 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: you know, they I don't want to say this, like 632 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: I want to be here. If they if they never 633 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: wanted me here like I would, there would never be 634 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: like a major gripe because I mean, like just be 635 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: transparent and then you know, like like I said, they 636 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: gave me an opportunity of lifetime. I got the op 637 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: like to provide for my family and to play. That's 638 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: all I've ever wanted, you know what I'm saying, to 639 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: be a starter in like in a big market. So 640 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: like I would never even be mad. It's just like, 641 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't do well enough at that time, 642 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: and I get another op to play and just prove myself. 643 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: That's why I said the beauty of this league the 644 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: narrative about you can change in a heartbeat. Yes, so yeah, 645 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: so that's kind of where I was coming from on that. 646 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: It was just like I have an op. 647 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: If you allowed yourself to think about what it would 648 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: be like you talked about playing in this market two 649 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: potentially play in the postseason. 650 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna play in the postseason. So I mean, yeah, 651 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: that's gonna be big. Like it's like we like we 652 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: all in like they you know, they know at no 653 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: option like this this is it like it's kind of 654 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: like do or die, like you know, like I'm and 655 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak for everybody on this cause that's what 656 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: when you make big moves like this, That's what it is. 657 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: Like. 658 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: It is like we're going to be in the postseason. 659 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: Like I'm speaking it like it ain't no, because that's 660 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: because ain't know. 661 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh well, you know that's an expectation. 662 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: That is the expectation. Do you do you how do 663 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: you feel? That's that's why you make moves like this, 664 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: right right, it is what it is. So it's just like, 665 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: shaddle up, we're on the boat together. Hey, hey, if 666 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: it crashes, we're gonna crash together. But we're gonna succeed 667 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: so well. 668 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: And we know one thing about you. You you are 669 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: going to strive to get there or you're gonna die trying. 670 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much like it was like like what I'm saying, 671 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: like it ain't no, there's no other options. Like he's like, 672 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: I don't think he went and did his what is it? 673 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: What is his I was hearing about it the I 674 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: don't think Rogers went did his his trip to be like, 675 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: oh the darkness, retreat, the darkness to tree. I don't 676 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: think he's in the darkness, Like, man, let's not go 677 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: to the post postseason. I'm pretty sure he was like, 678 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: we gotta do what we gotta do we try and 679 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: get Super Bowl. So I mean like, hey, all right, captain, 680 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 2: we're in the boat with you. Let's go. 681 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: Let's here. We've talked about this in the past. How 682 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: much can the home crowd help you? You got nine 683 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: home games this year, got a lot of prime time games. 684 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: As far as where you're coming off that edge and 685 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: disruption is concerned, how much do you feed off of 686 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: that and playing here? 687 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: Please get loud you It is such a big advantage 688 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: when you have the crowd noise and and you know 689 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: also like if you get booze in the crowd, that's 690 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: that goes against you know, the team as well. So 691 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: like the fans you're you guys are so important. If 692 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: I could put a message out there, like you know, 693 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: the stadium and being able to use that to our advantage, 694 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: It's it's extremely important, Carl. 695 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: It's always fun catching up that you have done incredible 696 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: things throughout your career. And if anybody's betting against you, now, 697 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, God bless them. 698 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: This is what it is. I mean, helps you get better. 699 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: So thanks man, appreciate appreciate it.