Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to Okay f Daily with me
Speaker 1: your girl Danielle Moody recording from the home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I am really excited for this morning show to share
Speaker 1: with you our friend MSNBC legal analyst and the host
Speaker 1: of Justice Matters on YouTube, Glenn Kirshner, as always joins us.
Speaker 1: But today is a supersized show to go through, my god,
Speaker 1: all of last week's Trump legally's bullshit, from his belief
Speaker 1: that he could, you know, just think things as president
Speaker 1: and then they happen as if he is, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, the character from Bewitched, he can just wiggle
Speaker 1: his nose and then poof, things just happen. To the
Speaker 1: fact that he thought him and his legal team thought
Speaker 1: that by appointing the Special Master and having Judge Cannon
Speaker 1: in their pocket, that you know, Judge Deery was going
Speaker 1: to move in a similar way that Judge Cannon moved,
Speaker 1: which was a course in Trump's favor. Well, that has
Speaker 1: been far from the fucking truth, and Judge Deery has
Speaker 1: showed that he is not coming to play games with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Neither were the two judges on the three
Speaker 1: judge panel who Trump appointed in the Eleventh Circuit who
Speaker 1: were also like, so, no, right. It's good to know this, folks,
Speaker 1: And I know that the bar is so fucking low,
Speaker 1: but it is good to know that, regardless of what
Speaker 1: President appointed these judges, that there are still some Republican
Speaker 1: appointed judges that actually believe in the fucking rule of
Speaker 1: law and understand how dangerous it is to America's national
Speaker 1: security that Donald Trump would walk out of the White
Speaker 1: House with boxes of classified information and just be having
Speaker 1: them sitting around at his fucking retirement home in mar Lago.
Speaker 1: So last week, in my humble opinion, was actually a
Speaker 1: win for justice. Now, I believe that the mount Everest,
Speaker 1: as I have been calling it on wok app, the
Speaker 1: mount Everest of evidence against Donald Trump from New York
Speaker 1: with Tish James to Fannie Willis in Georgia to Garland
Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice. I believe that the walls
Speaker 1: actually are closing in. And I think that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is going to end up most likely going down not
Speaker 1: for sedition, which is what the fuck he should be
Speaker 1: brought down for, and the coup to overthrow the government
Speaker 1: and the election. I think that it's actually going to
Speaker 1: be his tax evasion and his fucking hubris that is
Speaker 1: going to bring Donald Trump down. And it's amazing to
Speaker 1: me that the Republican Party continues to rally around this
Speaker 1: motherfucking fraudster. My only hope. Let me tell you so,
Speaker 1: let me just put it out there, Let me put
Speaker 1: it out to the universe. Let us all put out
Speaker 1: good energy and intent into the universe right now, because,
Speaker 1: as David Pluff said recently on MSNBC with Joy Reid,
Speaker 1: that you know, America falling into fascism. If you're an optimist,
Speaker 1: which we all know that I am not, we got
Speaker 1: a sixty forty chance of that not happening. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it's actually fucking fifty fifty my one hope, right.
Speaker 1: And I said this the other day to a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, I said, you know what, faith is a flashlight.
Speaker 1: Faith is a flashlight that we hold in ourselves when
Speaker 1: we are moving through the darkness. The faith that I
Speaker 1: am holding onto is that Donald Trump's ego, his belief
Speaker 1: that he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He
Speaker 1: can inflate numbers, he can bring him up, he can
Speaker 1: bring him down, he can tell you they don't exist,
Speaker 1: he can think about things that Donald Trump's ego right
Speaker 1: and his cloak of white privilege is going to be
Speaker 1: what actually does him in. And my hope, the faith
Speaker 1: that I have is that when Donald Trump is finally
Speaker 1: indicted and exposed as the lying, grifting piece of shit
Speaker 1: that he is, that everything and everyone that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: has touched in his criminal career will also go down.
Speaker 1: That includes the investigations into federal judges that were impointed,
Speaker 1: That includes investigations into members of Congress. That, dear friends
Speaker 1: to me, will be when my optimism and faith in
Speaker 1: system and government and institution actually rises, and I think,
Speaker 1: hold me to it. I believe that we are getting
Speaker 1: closer than I actually ever thought that we would get.
Speaker 1: And I want to applaud my hero, not of the week,
Speaker 1: but of the fucking month of the season, New York
Speaker 1: Attorney General Letitia James, who did not let up after
Speaker 1: three years, who had kept her foot on the fucking pedal,
Speaker 1: who has now so much information, so much evidence, that
Speaker 1: she has referred Donald Trump to the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: and to the i r US and said, here, I've
Speaker 1: done your work for you. So let us hope, dear friends,
Speaker 1: let us still walk with that mustard seed of faith
Speaker 1: that justice will prevail, that there is still enough good
Speaker 1: people that can turn these bad people on their fucking heads.
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Speaker 1: as it pertains to Donald Trump, our democracy and the
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Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analysts,
Speaker 1: to drop by and join us on Woke app Glenn, Man,
Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a week, right, um, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: I would not want to be the walls in Mara
Speaker 1: Lago for fear I would be suffocating in catch up.
Speaker 1: But let's start. Let's let's let's start with Judge Aileen
Speaker 1: Cannon makes her ridiculous recommendations with regard to a special Master,
Speaker 1: with regard to, you know, not wanting to Donald Trump's reputation.
Speaker 1: The Department of Justice Appeals to the Eleventh the Eleventh
Speaker 1: Circuit Court. We were all holding our breath because you
Speaker 1: had told us on Woke f that the Eleventh Circuit
Speaker 1: Court was actually, you know, kind of jam packed with
Speaker 1: Trump appointees even still on the panel is kind of
Speaker 1: like wheel of fortune, right, you don't know who is
Speaker 1: going to be sitting on the judge panel. It ended
Speaker 1: up being two Trump appointees. Their decision, however, with regard
Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice ability to continue their criminal
Speaker 1: investigation and probe into Donald Trump, their decisions, and what
Speaker 1: they alerted us with regard to their thoughts around Cannon's
Speaker 1: decisions was wow. So I just want to give you
Speaker 1: the floor to walk us through their opinions, which were
Speaker 1: I mean, I did not need a law degree to
Speaker 1: pick up what they were putting down. It was very clear.
Speaker 1: But please walk us through it. Yeah. The three judge
Speaker 1: panel of the Eleventh Circuit just unanimously smacked down Judge
Speaker 1: Aleen Canon in using terms that we don't often hear
Speaker 1: in appellate opinions. And I say that because I argued
Speaker 1: lots of appeals in military appellate courts and civilian in
Speaker 1: local appellate courts and federal federal court. Judges usually use
Speaker 1: gentle euphemisms when they're criticizing what a lower court judge did.
Speaker 1: You know, man, you know, perhaps the judge could have
Speaker 1: exercised different discretion. That's not what this panel did. This
Speaker 1: panel said, basically, Judge Cannon abused her discretion by even
Speaker 1: exercising jurisdiction and deciding to order the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: the FBI to stop criminally investigating Donald Trump as his
Speaker 1: conduct pertains to these classified documents that were seized from
Speaker 1: Mara Lago. And when courts just flat out say judges
Speaker 1: abuse their discretion and shouldn't have even exercised the courts jurisdiction,
Speaker 1: what they are saying is, Judge Cannon, you are not
Speaker 1: very good at this judging thing. And it was a
Speaker 1: royal SmackDown, and the reason it was so important, and
Speaker 1: I think there are some things that we can tease
Speaker 1: out of what we've just seen. Our faith in the
Speaker 1: federal judiciary is at an all time low because our
Speaker 1: federal courts are now populated with unqualified judges that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Mitch McConnell crammed down the throats of the
Speaker 1: American people right and a lean Cannon was confirmed by
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell Senate after Donald Trump lost the election. The
Speaker 1: opinion she issued saying things in essence like Donald, I
Speaker 1: treat Donald Trump differently than I treat every other litigan
Speaker 1: before the court. That is a violation of her oath,
Speaker 1: quite frankly. And we'll see if she's referred for potential
Speaker 1: judicial misconduct. But because our faith in the federal bench
Speaker 1: is at an all time low, I was holding my
Speaker 1: breath waiting to see how Trump appointed judges might deal
Speaker 1: with this, and I was so thrilled to see that
Speaker 1: two of the three judges Trump appointees not only decided
Speaker 1: this at light speed because they got a forty page
Speaker 1: brief from Donald Trump's criminal defense team on Tuesday. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: they said, you lose. That's light speed for an appellate court.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I'm really pleased about
Speaker 1: is Judge Deerie in New York, who's the special Master
Speaker 1: reviewing us. It was a Ronald Reagan appointee. So what
Speaker 1: we have our republic judges, federal court judges who are
Speaker 1: basically the adults in charge once again as opposed to
Speaker 1: the alien canons, and they are taking this deadly seriously.
Speaker 1: The need to investigate Donald Trump's crimes and the need
Speaker 1: to protect our national security and assess the damage Donald
Speaker 1: Trump did to our national security by stealing and then
Speaker 1: unlawfully concealing these classified documents. I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: things that really got me in the opinion from the
Speaker 1: Eleventh Circuit Court was the term red herring, basically calling
Speaker 1: out Trump lawyers and Donald Trump himself in saying that
Speaker 1: you have put on a ruse for the American people
Speaker 1: like you can't regardless of whether or not you believe
Speaker 1: in your mind, as we saw via Eclipse with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Sean Hannity on Fox, whether you believe in
Speaker 1: your mind that you have classified this information, it doesn't
Speaker 1: change the content of said information, nor does it make
Speaker 1: it your own private property. And I thought that that
Speaker 1: was so glaring because in the Cannon decision, it was
Speaker 1: we're just going to take this on a matter of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said it, so it must be true, and
Speaker 1: we must take what this former twice impeached lying president
Speaker 1: has said over our Department of Justice, essentially signaling, well,
Speaker 1: he could be right. They could be gunning for him.
Speaker 1: And what the Eleventh Circuit Court said was miss me
Speaker 1: with it right, Like, are you kidding me? If it is?
Speaker 1: If Donald Trump is so concerned about the hands that
Speaker 1: this classified information would fall into, well, then who's better
Speaker 1: hands for it to be in. Who's better vault for
Speaker 1: it to be in? Right? Then in the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: his hands as opposed to your kitchen table at Mara Lago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there you go, talking sense and logic, Danielle. And
Speaker 1: that's not what Donald Trump is about, as we both know.
Speaker 1: But you know he's There's so much good now that
Speaker 1: has come out of Donald Trump's lies that maybe I
Speaker 1: thought it declassified and poof, it was declassified. A lot
Speaker 1: of good comes out of that. First of all, as
Speaker 1: you just noted, the Eleventh Circuit said this is a
Speaker 1: red herring. But before they said it was a red herring,
Speaker 1: they said, there is zero evidence that Donald Trump declassified anything,
Speaker 1: and we'll come back to that in a second. But
Speaker 1: then they said, and it's a red herring because, just
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, he stole these documents, and whether
Speaker 1: he declassified them or not, he still stole these documents.
Speaker 1: That's why he said it's a red herring. The declassification
Speaker 1: means nothing because it's still a crime. But then let's
Speaker 1: go to the declassification piece. In twenty nineteen, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: declassified some documents the way a president declassifies documents. He
Speaker 1: went through the process when he declassified them. Now, he
Speaker 1: did it because he thought he was going to make
Speaker 1: the Democrats look bad, but he failed. Every single copy
Speaker 1: of it has to be marked declassified, the hard copies,
Speaker 1: the electronic copies, and the Trump followed the procedures. He
Speaker 1: didn't do any of that here. What does that tell
Speaker 1: us he needed now to actually declassify things. He failed
Speaker 1: to do it here. But the other thing that this
Speaker 1: is a gift to prosecutors because by him saying, well
Speaker 1: to Hannity, maybe I thought them declassified and they were
Speaker 1: magically declassified. You know what that is. That's an admission
Speaker 1: by a party opponent under the rules of evidence, that
Speaker 1: we will introduce as incriminating information. So Donald, please keep
Speaker 1: talking and talking and talking. And I know some say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this is the master plan. Give enough rope to
Speaker 1: hang himself. I don't even like to use the term
Speaker 1: hang himself, but give him enough rope. Listen, he's got
Speaker 1: miles of rope. He's got rope to the moon and back.
Speaker 1: We don't need to give him anymore rope. We need
Speaker 1: to indict him, we need to charge him, we need
Speaker 1: to hold him accountable. So we put a stop to
Speaker 1: the deep injustice that we're experiencing in America right now,
Speaker 1: where everybody that he ordered to attack the Capitol is
Speaker 1: going to trial being convicted and being in prison and
Speaker 1: he keeps playing golf. That's a deep injustice at play
Speaker 1: right now. You know. One of the other things that
Speaker 1: really struck me too about the decision by the Eleventh
Speaker 1: Circuit was basically them saying that they agree with the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice as it pertains to not allowing Donald
Speaker 1: Trump or this Special Master to now review go back
Speaker 1: again and review the classified documents, which to me, Glenn,
Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm interpreting this wrong, tells
Speaker 1: us that these documents, what the contents of these documents
Speaker 1: are incredibly serious that we that the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: as well as the Eleventh Circuit Court want to limit
Speaker 1: the eyeballs that continue to review these documents. One of
Speaker 1: the things too, is that they're not going to be able.
Speaker 1: And by they, I mean the Department of Justice proved
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump paraded these documents and was showing them
Speaker 1: like a friggin you know, sylvaneer that he got from
Speaker 1: the White House to god knows who came into Mara Lago.
Speaker 1: But what did you make of that decision as well
Speaker 1: to say, even though this Special Master was appointed, we're
Speaker 1: deciding no, no, you don't get eyes on this. You know,
Speaker 1: that is a group of adult judges acknowledging the national
Speaker 1: security risks that Donald Trump has inflicted on us, on
Speaker 1: our nation. And you know, there's a body of case
Speaker 1: law that says when suits are brought, and these suits
Speaker 1: involve matters of grave national security, the courts generally will defer,
Speaker 1: you know, appropriately, but will defer to the federal government
Speaker 1: to the intelligence communities assessment of the possible risks to
Speaker 1: national security. And the Supreme Court has supported that over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. And Judge Cannon was like,
Speaker 1: I don't care about any of that. I'm treating Donald
Speaker 1: Trump differently. And you know, I called her a classified
Speaker 1: documents denier. She said, I don't even know that. I'm
Speaker 1: not prepared to take this is what she said. I'm
Speaker 1: not prepared to take DJ's assertion that these documents are
Speaker 1: classified materials. She's a classified documents denier. We saw the picture.
Speaker 1: These are classified documents that were taken from his office,
Speaker 1: from his desk drawers. And so the adults are back
Speaker 1: in charge on the federal bench, and they said, no,
Speaker 1: there's a reason we have national security laws, procedures and
Speaker 1: protocols in place. It's to protect the American people, and
Speaker 1: they're taking that seriously. So before we move on to
Speaker 1: Judge Deery and the I mean shot shot shots that
Speaker 1: he has that he has sent over the fence to
Speaker 1: the Trump to the Trump team legal team. You know,
Speaker 1: the other day I was watching Joy Read on MSNBC
Speaker 1: and she said something that really struck me, and then
Speaker 1: I tweeted it. She said something to the effect that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has multiple properties around the country, right and frankly,
Speaker 1: around the world. What is making us think that Mara
Speaker 1: Lago was the only place that Donald Trump was holding documents,
Speaker 1: that he was stashing documents And why wouldn't Why haven't
Speaker 1: we then seen a warrant being delivered for Trump Tower
Speaker 1: in New York City for other properties that he has
Speaker 1: around the country, with the idea that we know based
Speaker 1: on testimony from January saying that he was traveling around
Speaker 1: into foreign nations with these documents. So do we believe
Speaker 1: that Mara Lago is the only place where classified documents
Speaker 1: could possibly be. Yeah, there's legal sense and then there's
Speaker 1: common sense. And what you and I Enjoy are applying
Speaker 1: is common sense common sense and says, you rob the
Speaker 1: bank and you got five properties. Well, you may have
Speaker 1: your proceeds of crime, the money you stole at any
Speaker 1: one of those five properties. So isn't it prudent for
Speaker 1: law enforcement to look at all five of your properties. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's prudent, and that's common sense. But here is looking
Speaker 1: at it through the lens of how we do search warrants.
Speaker 1: Here's my thinking about this. If the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: if the FBI had probable cause, based on evidence they
Speaker 1: had developed, that Donald Trump was concealing classified materials stolen
Speaker 1: documents at any of his other properties, what we would
Speaker 1: almost always do is coordinated simultaneous search warrants because, and
Speaker 1: we do this all the time, when we're dealing with
Speaker 1: multiple crimes, multiple criminals, multiple targets of an investigation, the
Speaker 1: last thing we want to do is only have one
Speaker 1: search warrant hit one location when we know there's lots
Speaker 1: of other evidence of crime at other locations, because that
Speaker 1: alerts everybody that you better get rid of all the
Speaker 1: other evidence right right before we come for you. That's
Speaker 1: why we do simultaneous coordinated search warrants. But we can
Speaker 1: only do that if we have probable cause and we
Speaker 1: can present it to a judge and the judges persuaded
Speaker 1: that yes, based on the evidence, I can conclude there
Speaker 1: are also stolen classified materials at Bedminster, at Trump Tower,
Speaker 1: at where Dral, at wherever. And because I know we
Speaker 1: would have done simultaneous search warrants and we didn't, that
Speaker 1: leads me to believe we only had probable cause that
Speaker 1: we could use to persuade a judge to issue a
Speaker 1: search warrant for one location. Marilago got it, okay, which
Speaker 1: you know and in all honesty, which kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense just based on Trump's ego, which is that he
Speaker 1: wants these documents where he is right and and and
Speaker 1: and that that in and of itself is like no, no, um,
Speaker 1: these are mine right? And so where is Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: as Chris Hayes said the other night, at his retirement
Speaker 1: home in Florida, So that's where the documents would be.
Speaker 1: Um okay, switching gears, um, but staying on obviously the
Speaker 1: same topic, Judge Deary, this was the special Master that
Speaker 1: the Trump team wanted. The DJ said, okay, have that
Speaker 1: at it. We're not going to fight this now. Again.
Speaker 1: They got what they wished for, and it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be going their way because the decisions and the
Speaker 1: pace at which Deary is moving is not what they
Speaker 1: had anticipated. They wanted to drag this out. Deary is
Speaker 1: set in time lines that are like no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: If you have evidence that you declassified documents, send it.
Speaker 1: They said, no, no, we couldn't possibly so talk to
Speaker 1: us about the other decisions that that he has made
Speaker 1: that are letting us know that he did not come
Speaker 1: to play with them. Yeah, Judge Derry is making life
Speaker 1: hell for Donald Trump and his criminal defense team because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said that Judge Cannon, I want a special Master,
Speaker 1: even though the law doesn't entitle me to one. Judge
Speaker 1: Cannon said, you got it, mister Trump, he said, and
Speaker 1: I want that special Master to be Raymond Deary, senior
Speaker 1: judge up in the Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: And Judge Cannon said, you got it, mister Trump. And
Speaker 1: now Judge Deary said, okay, you want me to review
Speaker 1: these documents for possible privilege. First, Trump defense team tell
Speaker 1: me what he declassified, if anything, because unless Judge Derry
Speaker 1: has that information, he can't even begin to do an
Speaker 1: informed review of this stuff. And this is my favorite part,
Speaker 1: and this may be the only time I've ever agreed
Speaker 1: with anything that a Trump criminal defense attorney has ever said.
Speaker 1: They said, we're not telling you because that would that
Speaker 1: will hurt our ability to defend Donald Trump when he's indicted. Yes,
Speaker 1: I embrace that. I agree with the defense team that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs to be and will be indicted. So
Speaker 1: that that's one wonderful thing that came out of Dearies,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's presiding over this as Special Master.
Speaker 1: The second thing he just said, I think yesterday, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you have claimed that the FBI planted evidence. Put up
Speaker 1: or shut up? Right now, present to me the evidence,
Speaker 1: because if I'm going to be reviewing these documents that
Speaker 1: you wanted me to review, I need to know what
Speaker 1: you claim the FBI planted because I guess I don't
Speaker 1: have to review those for privilege, right because you didn't
Speaker 1: even take those so's he is, pardon the term, trumping
Speaker 1: them over and over and over again and then most recently,
Speaker 1: and I still need to read up on this one.
Speaker 1: But you know, I have two heroes this week, Tiss
Speaker 1: James and Raymond Deary. Judge Deary said, you will now
Speaker 1: be fine, Donald Trump five hundred dollars an hour. That'll
Speaker 1: add up quickly until you tell me the following, And
Speaker 1: I need to read what the following is. I think
Speaker 1: it has to do with him divulging what he claims
Speaker 1: the FBI planted. But I'm learning more about that topic
Speaker 1: right now. But Judge Deery did not come to play.
Speaker 1: Judge Deerrey's a real judge. He was a fis a
Speaker 1: court judge. And why somebody told Donald Trump, Oh, I
Speaker 1: think Judge Deery once made this decision that you know,
Speaker 1: really ticked off the Department of Justice. So I think
Speaker 1: he might be a good one. That's me trying to
Speaker 1: look into the mind of the pick. But boy was
Speaker 1: out of miscalculation. I mean, he only surrounds himself with
Speaker 1: the best people, Glenn, so you know what else would
Speaker 1: we expect. Okay to the hero of the week, Tish James.
Speaker 1: Three years of investigating Trump organization, Donald Trump his spawn,
Speaker 1: she has come to the conclusion and in her press
Speaker 1: conference laid out everything that you have known and said
Speaker 1: everything that I have known, and said, this is not
Speaker 1: your average family. This is a crime family that has
Speaker 1: been running a fraudulent scheme by inflating, deflating the values
Speaker 1: of their properties, their wealth in order to secure insurance
Speaker 1: and deals that would be better for them. Essentially what
Speaker 1: we were told a while ago. Donald Trump is not
Speaker 1: as rich as he says that he is. He's rich,
Speaker 1: but he ain't billions rich. So walk us through Tish
Speaker 1: James what she has uncovered. The fact that we know
Speaker 1: that again, this is a civil matter. She is suing
Speaker 1: Donald Trump for two hundred and fifty million dollars and
Speaker 1: also has referred to both the IRS and the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice for criminal pro which has now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, we just got a statement from the man
Speaker 1: that's been asleep at the wheel Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg,
Speaker 1: who I've been saying for months should be investigated for
Speaker 1: his like quick about face on the initial Scythance investigation
Speaker 1: into Donald Trump. So tell us what we need to
Speaker 1: know about where we think this case Tis James's civil
Speaker 1: case is going, and also the referrals. Yeah, Tis James
Speaker 1: dropped a two hundred and twenty page lawsuit complaint in
Speaker 1: a lawsuit. We should keep in mind this is civil
Speaker 1: not criminals. So Donald Trump won't go to jail behind
Speaker 1: this action. But as you say, Tis James found so
Speaker 1: much evidence of crime that she referred him for criminal
Speaker 1: investigation to the Southern District of New York US Attorney's
Speaker 1: Office and Arm of the Department of Justice, and to
Speaker 1: the IRS for tax fraud. And it really does highlight
Speaker 1: the poor decision Alvin Bragg made some months back to
Speaker 1: overrule his career prosecutors who said, Boss, we got enough
Speaker 1: to indict and convict Donald Trump of multiple fell Any crimes.
Speaker 1: And Bragg said, yeah, I'm not feeling it. I'm killing
Speaker 1: the investigation into Trump. Now, all of a sudden, Bragg
Speaker 1: is playing catchup. Well no, no, no, no, I'm still investigating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll see sport. You know, your track record is
Speaker 1: not strong at this point. But so Tish James basically
Speaker 1: has the goods against Donald Trump that he has been
Speaker 1: engaged in financial fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud for a
Speaker 1: very long time. And what I loved about a G.
Speaker 1: James press conference is she gave us the receipts that
Speaker 1: we can all understand. Because insurance fraud, banking fraud, tax fraud,
Speaker 1: it can be pretty murky stuff for people to understand.
Speaker 1: She said, let me give you just two examples. One
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has an apartment, and for any number of
Speaker 1: financial purposes, he certified that his apartment it has thirty
Speaker 1: thousand square feet in it, when in fact it has
Speaker 1: less than eleven thousand square feet, and he used that
Speaker 1: information to defraud. Right, I can understand that. I get that.
Speaker 1: Here's the other example she gave, which I loved. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump apparently owns some rent subsidized apartments and they are
Speaker 1: professionally valued at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and
Speaker 1: he certified that they were valued at forty nine million
Speaker 1: dollars for fraudulent purposes. I can understand the disparity in
Speaker 1: those numbers. She not only has the goods, Danielle, she
Speaker 1: makes clear in that two hundred and twenty page complaint
Speaker 1: that she has the witnesses who can provide those goods.
Speaker 1: Because that complaint is replete with phrases like Donald Trump
Speaker 1: signed the following document defying this was accurate. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: told his staff to do X Y n Z. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump arranged to have and over and over again, because
Speaker 1: we know he tries to act like a mob bosson
Speaker 1: insulate himself from ever being personally held accountable for anything. Well,
Speaker 1: she dug in for three years, went through millions of documents,
Speaker 1: and she's got the goods of Donald Trump personally orchestrating
Speaker 1: and directing massive fraud that she says, I think was
Speaker 1: in the billions of dollars. Ultimately, although she's suing to
Speaker 1: get two hundred and fifty million dollars out of him,
Speaker 1: bar he and his adult children from ever serving on
Speaker 1: a board or as an officer of any New York corporation,
Speaker 1: barring them from applying for any loans from New York
Speaker 1: institutions or being involved in any real estate deals in
Speaker 1: New York for five years. I mean, this puts a
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin of the Trump organization. And this
Speaker 1: is a nice incremental step of accountability for Trump. It's
Speaker 1: not the first criminal indictment, but I hope we see
Speaker 1: that soon. You know. The thing that that also got
Speaker 1: me with regard to the press conference, and I believe
Speaker 1: it was a question asked by a reporter in the room,
Speaker 1: which was why not just settle right? And frankly, what
Speaker 1: I believe that what James offered was that the Trump
Speaker 1: team came back with a settlement, and she was just like,
Speaker 1: this is not it. So tell me again, not a lawyer,
Speaker 1: but if you're offering up a settlement, that means that
Speaker 1: you are guilty. Yeah, that means that you would like
Speaker 1: to wash this away and go So she's asking for
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 1: didn't come close to that number. And she was like,
Speaker 1: so no, but they knew. The lawyers knew by virtue
Speaker 1: of them saying, hey, hey, hey, let's not drag this out.
Speaker 1: Let's you know, just just take this and we'll and
Speaker 1: we'll walk away. And Tis James said, no, what do
Speaker 1: you infer from that? So, first of all, his attorneys,
Speaker 1: I don't know who's representing him in this civil suit.
Speaker 1: You know, he really is scraping the bottom of the
Speaker 1: barrel on the attorney front. The attorneys assessed the litigation
Speaker 1: risk after they saw what Tis James had. They knew
Speaker 1: they were wrong, they knew their client would lose, and
Speaker 1: they said, we really want to make this go away.
Speaker 1: Can we settle? And Tis James said no, I mean,
Speaker 1: the only settlement that I think would be acceptable to
Speaker 1: me if I were on Tis James team, would be
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. And you agree to
Speaker 1: be barred from everything we are seeking to bar you from.
Speaker 1: We'll take that settlement because that's what we're suing you for.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that is just beautiful is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Remember was deposed, He sat for a deposition and testified.
Speaker 1: Tis James investigation pled four hundred forty times. He pleaded
Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment, he invoked his Fifth Amendment right against
Speaker 1: self incrimination. And I can tell you what Tis James
Speaker 1: and her team did. They had a draft of that
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty page complaint, and they asked him
Speaker 1: every single question that addressed every single allegation in that complaint,
Speaker 1: and every time he said, if I answered truthfully, I
Speaker 1: would incriminate myself. That's admissible at his civil trial, and
Speaker 1: the jury can draw inferences against him that if he
Speaker 1: had answered, he would have lost. He's done. He has
Speaker 1: nowhere to go in this litigation, nowhere. So the only
Speaker 1: settlement that I would take is I want everything that
Speaker 1: we are suing you for, and then will settle. And
Speaker 1: the funny thing is is that I think that we
Speaker 1: believe that Donald Trump is worth about two hundred what Danielle.
Speaker 1: He ain't a billionaire. I don't think he's a Millionaire's
Speaker 1: lucky if he's a thousand air Oh god, all right,
Speaker 1: Glenn Um, I appreciate this supersized review of where Trump's
Speaker 1: no good, very bad week came from. Just um. You know,
Speaker 1: last question for you looking ahead? What are you looking
Speaker 1: out for and what can we expect? I guess in
Speaker 1: the in the coming weeks. You know, we've got a
Speaker 1: J six hearing coming up. I don't know what the focus.
Speaker 1: They haven't told us what the precise focus will be,
Speaker 1: but I hope it starts to take us from the
Speaker 1: insurrection into the Willard war Room and then into the
Speaker 1: direct contacts between folks in the Willard war Room and
Speaker 1: the Oval Office and Donald Trump. I will be covering
Speaker 1: for MSNBC the first seditious conspiracy trial that kicks off
Speaker 1: this week in District Court in DC. So that's going
Speaker 1: to be interesting to watch and see how the government
Speaker 1: presents the evidence in that case. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Classify Documents investigation is something that if
Speaker 1: DJ chooses to jump out and do some indictments fairly quickly,
Speaker 1: they can. I don't know if they will, but at
Speaker 1: least the scheduling front that may have eclipsed, you know,
Speaker 1: the J six investigation with respect to where we might
Speaker 1: see the first federal indictments come down, Okay, Oh it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. It is gonna be a busy, busy fall.
Speaker 1: I love it, Love to see it. Glenn Kirshner, as
Speaker 1: always appreciate you making the time for Woke app and
Speaker 1: we will see you next week. And let's hope that
Speaker 1: the good times actually keep rolling towards an indictment. Yeah. Thanks, Danielle.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke
Speaker 1: a App. As always, power to the people and to
Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.