1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to Okay f Daily with me 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: your girl Danielle Moody recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: I am really excited for this morning show to share 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: with you our friend MSNBC legal analyst and the host 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: of Justice Matters on YouTube, Glenn Kirshner, as always joins us. 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: But today is a supersized show to go through, my god, 7 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: all of last week's Trump legally's bullshit, from his belief 8 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: that he could, you know, just think things as president 9 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: and then they happen as if he is, oh, I 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: don't know, the character from Bewitched, he can just wiggle 11 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: his nose and then poof, things just happen. To the 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: fact that he thought him and his legal team thought 13 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: that by appointing the Special Master and having Judge Cannon 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: in their pocket, that you know, Judge Deery was going 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: to move in a similar way that Judge Cannon moved, 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: which was a course in Trump's favor. Well, that has 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: been far from the fucking truth, and Judge Deery has 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: showed that he is not coming to play games with 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Neither were the two judges on the three 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: judge panel who Trump appointed in the Eleventh Circuit who 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: were also like, so, no, right. It's good to know this, folks, 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: And I know that the bar is so fucking low, 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: but it is good to know that, regardless of what 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: President appointed these judges, that there are still some Republican 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: appointed judges that actually believe in the fucking rule of 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: law and understand how dangerous it is to America's national 27 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: security that Donald Trump would walk out of the White 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: House with boxes of classified information and just be having 29 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: them sitting around at his fucking retirement home in mar Lago. 30 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: So last week, in my humble opinion, was actually a 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: win for justice. Now, I believe that the mount Everest, 32 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: as I have been calling it on wok app, the 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: mount Everest of evidence against Donald Trump from New York 34 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: with Tish James to Fannie Willis in Georgia to Garland 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice. I believe that the walls 36 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: actually are closing in. And I think that Donald Trump 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: is going to end up most likely going down not 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: for sedition, which is what the fuck he should be 39 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: brought down for, and the coup to overthrow the government 40 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: and the election. I think that it's actually going to 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: be his tax evasion and his fucking hubris that is 42 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: going to bring Donald Trump down. And it's amazing to 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: me that the Republican Party continues to rally around this 44 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: motherfucking fraudster. My only hope. Let me tell you so, 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: let me just put it out there, Let me put 46 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: it out to the universe. Let us all put out 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: good energy and intent into the universe right now, because, 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: as David Pluff said recently on MSNBC with Joy Reid, 49 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: that you know, America falling into fascism. If you're an optimist, 50 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: which we all know that I am not, we got 51 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: a sixty forty chance of that not happening. I'm gonna 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: say it's actually fucking fifty fifty my one hope, right. 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: And I said this the other day to a friend 54 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: of mine, I said, you know what, faith is a flashlight. 55 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: Faith is a flashlight that we hold in ourselves when 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: we are moving through the darkness. The faith that I 57 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: am holding onto is that Donald Trump's ego, his belief 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: that he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He 59 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: can inflate numbers, he can bring him up, he can 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: bring him down, he can tell you they don't exist, 61 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: he can think about things that Donald Trump's ego right 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: and his cloak of white privilege is going to be 63 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: what actually does him in. And my hope, the faith 64 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: that I have is that when Donald Trump is finally 65 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: indicted and exposed as the lying, grifting piece of shit 66 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: that he is, that everything and everyone that Donald Trump 67 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: has touched in his criminal career will also go down. 68 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: That includes the investigations into federal judges that were impointed, 69 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: That includes investigations into members of Congress. That, dear friends 70 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: to me, will be when my optimism and faith in 71 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: system and government and institution actually rises, and I think, 72 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: hold me to it. I believe that we are getting 73 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: closer than I actually ever thought that we would get. 74 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: And I want to applaud my hero, not of the week, 75 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: but of the fucking month of the season, New York 76 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Attorney General Letitia James, who did not let up after 77 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: three years, who had kept her foot on the fucking pedal, 78 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: who has now so much information, so much evidence, that 79 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: she has referred Donald Trump to the Department of Justice 80 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: and to the i r US and said, here, I've 81 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: done your work for you. So let us hope, dear friends, 82 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: let us still walk with that mustard seed of faith 83 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: that justice will prevail, that there is still enough good 84 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: people that can turn these bad people on their fucking heads. 85 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my super Side conversation with our friend 86 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner. It's no secret that the news is horsepill 87 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: hard to swallow. Thankfully, there's The Bituation Room podcast hosted 88 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: by comedian and commentator Francesca free Erntini for a lighter 89 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: take on the heavy stuff. 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We're always grateful for 106 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analysts, 107 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: to drop by and join us on Woke app Glenn, Man, 108 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a week, right, um, Donald Trump, 109 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: I would not want to be the walls in Mara 110 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Lago for fear I would be suffocating in catch up. 111 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: But let's start. Let's let's let's start with Judge Aileen 112 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Cannon makes her ridiculous recommendations with regard to a special Master, 113 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: with regard to, you know, not wanting to Donald Trump's reputation. 114 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice Appeals to the Eleventh the Eleventh 115 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: Circuit Court. We were all holding our breath because you 116 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: had told us on Woke f that the Eleventh Circuit 117 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Court was actually, you know, kind of jam packed with 118 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Trump appointees even still on the panel is kind of 119 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: like wheel of fortune, right, you don't know who is 120 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: going to be sitting on the judge panel. It ended 121 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: up being two Trump appointees. Their decision, however, with regard 122 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice ability to continue their criminal 123 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: investigation and probe into Donald Trump, their decisions, and what 124 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: they alerted us with regard to their thoughts around Cannon's 125 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 1: decisions was wow. So I just want to give you 126 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: the floor to walk us through their opinions, which were 127 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I did not need a law degree to 128 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: pick up what they were putting down. It was very clear. 129 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: But please walk us through it. Yeah. The three judge 130 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: panel of the Eleventh Circuit just unanimously smacked down Judge 131 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Aleen Canon in using terms that we don't often hear 132 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: in appellate opinions. And I say that because I argued 133 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: lots of appeals in military appellate courts and civilian in 134 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: local appellate courts and federal federal court. Judges usually use 135 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: gentle euphemisms when they're criticizing what a lower court judge did. 136 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: You know, man, you know, perhaps the judge could have 137 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: exercised different discretion. That's not what this panel did. This 138 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: panel said, basically, Judge Cannon abused her discretion by even 139 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: exercising jurisdiction and deciding to order the Department of Justice 140 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the FBI to stop criminally investigating Donald Trump as his 141 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: conduct pertains to these classified documents that were seized from 142 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: Mara Lago. And when courts just flat out say judges 143 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: abuse their discretion and shouldn't have even exercised the courts jurisdiction, 144 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: what they are saying is, Judge Cannon, you are not 145 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: very good at this judging thing. And it was a 146 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: royal SmackDown, and the reason it was so important, and 147 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: I think there are some things that we can tease 148 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: out of what we've just seen. Our faith in the 149 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: federal judiciary is at an all time low because our 150 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: federal courts are now populated with unqualified judges that Donald 151 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: Trump and Mitch McConnell crammed down the throats of the 152 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: American people right and a lean Cannon was confirmed by 153 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell Senate after Donald Trump lost the election. The 154 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: opinion she issued saying things in essence like Donald, I 155 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: treat Donald Trump differently than I treat every other litigan 156 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: before the court. That is a violation of her oath, 157 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: quite frankly. And we'll see if she's referred for potential 158 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: judicial misconduct. But because our faith in the federal bench 159 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: is at an all time low, I was holding my 160 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: breath waiting to see how Trump appointed judges might deal 161 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: with this, and I was so thrilled to see that 162 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,239 Speaker 1: two of the three judges Trump appointees not only decided 163 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: this at light speed because they got a forty page 164 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: brief from Donald Trump's criminal defense team on Tuesday. On Wednesday, 165 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: they said, you lose. That's light speed for an appellate court. 166 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I'm really pleased about 167 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: is Judge Deerie in New York, who's the special Master 168 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: reviewing us. It was a Ronald Reagan appointee. So what 169 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: we have our republic judges, federal court judges who are 170 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: basically the adults in charge once again as opposed to 171 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: the alien canons, and they are taking this deadly seriously. 172 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: The need to investigate Donald Trump's crimes and the need 173 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: to protect our national security and assess the damage Donald 174 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Trump did to our national security by stealing and then 175 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: unlawfully concealing these classified documents. I mean, one of the 176 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: things that really got me in the opinion from the 177 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: Eleventh Circuit Court was the term red herring, basically calling 178 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: out Trump lawyers and Donald Trump himself in saying that 179 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: you have put on a ruse for the American people 180 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: like you can't regardless of whether or not you believe 181 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: in your mind, as we saw via Eclipse with Donald 182 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: Trump and Sean Hannity on Fox, whether you believe in 183 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: your mind that you have classified this information, it doesn't 184 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: change the content of said information, nor does it make 185 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: it your own private property. And I thought that that 186 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: was so glaring because in the Cannon decision, it was 187 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: we're just going to take this on a matter of 188 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: Donald Trump said it, so it must be true, and 189 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: we must take what this former twice impeached lying president 190 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: has said over our Department of Justice, essentially signaling, well, 191 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: he could be right. They could be gunning for him. 192 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: And what the Eleventh Circuit Court said was miss me 193 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: with it right, Like, are you kidding me? If it is? 194 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: If Donald Trump is so concerned about the hands that 195 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: this classified information would fall into, well, then who's better 196 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: hands for it to be in. Who's better vault for 197 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: it to be in? Right? Then in the Department of Justice, 198 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: his hands as opposed to your kitchen table at Mara Lago. Yeah, 199 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: but there you go, talking sense and logic, Danielle. And 200 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: that's not what Donald Trump is about, as we both know. 201 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: But you know he's There's so much good now that 202 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: has come out of Donald Trump's lies that maybe I 203 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: thought it declassified and poof, it was declassified. A lot 204 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: of good comes out of that. First of all, as 205 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: you just noted, the Eleventh Circuit said this is a 206 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: red herring. But before they said it was a red herring, 207 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: they said, there is zero evidence that Donald Trump declassified anything, 208 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: and we'll come back to that in a second. But 209 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: then they said, and it's a red herring because, just 210 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, he stole these documents, and whether 211 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: he declassified them or not, he still stole these documents. 212 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: That's why he said it's a red herring. The declassification 213 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: means nothing because it's still a crime. But then let's 214 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: go to the declassification piece. In twenty nineteen, Donald Trump 215 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: declassified some documents the way a president declassifies documents. He 216 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: went through the process when he declassified them. Now, he 217 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: did it because he thought he was going to make 218 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats look bad, but he failed. Every single copy 219 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: of it has to be marked declassified, the hard copies, 220 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: the electronic copies, and the Trump followed the procedures. He 221 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: didn't do any of that here. What does that tell 222 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: us he needed now to actually declassify things. He failed 223 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: to do it here. But the other thing that this 224 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: is a gift to prosecutors because by him saying, well 225 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: to Hannity, maybe I thought them declassified and they were 226 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: magically declassified. You know what that is. That's an admission 227 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: by a party opponent under the rules of evidence, that 228 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: we will introduce as incriminating information. So Donald, please keep 229 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: talking and talking and talking. And I know some say, well, 230 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: maybe this is the master plan. Give enough rope to 231 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: hang himself. I don't even like to use the term 232 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: hang himself, but give him enough rope. Listen, he's got 233 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: miles of rope. He's got rope to the moon and back. 234 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: We don't need to give him anymore rope. We need 235 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: to indict him, we need to charge him, we need 236 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: to hold him accountable. So we put a stop to 237 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: the deep injustice that we're experiencing in America right now, 238 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: where everybody that he ordered to attack the Capitol is 239 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: going to trial being convicted and being in prison and 240 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: he keeps playing golf. That's a deep injustice at play 241 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: right now. You know. One of the other things that 242 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: really struck me too about the decision by the Eleventh 243 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: Circuit was basically them saying that they agree with the 244 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: Department of Justice as it pertains to not allowing Donald 245 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: Trump or this Special Master to now review go back 246 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: again and review the classified documents, which to me, Glenn, 247 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm interpreting this wrong, tells 248 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: us that these documents, what the contents of these documents 249 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: are incredibly serious that we that the Department of Justice 250 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: as well as the Eleventh Circuit Court want to limit 251 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: the eyeballs that continue to review these documents. One of 252 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: the things too, is that they're not going to be able. 253 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: And by they, I mean the Department of Justice proved 254 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump paraded these documents and was showing them 255 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: like a friggin you know, sylvaneer that he got from 256 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: the White House to god knows who came into Mara Lago. 257 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: But what did you make of that decision as well 258 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: to say, even though this Special Master was appointed, we're 259 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: deciding no, no, you don't get eyes on this. You know, 260 00:17:54,119 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: that is a group of adult judges acknowledging the national 261 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: security risks that Donald Trump has inflicted on us, on 262 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: our nation. And you know, there's a body of case 263 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: law that says when suits are brought, and these suits 264 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: involve matters of grave national security, the courts generally will defer, 265 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: you know, appropriately, but will defer to the federal government 266 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: to the intelligence communities assessment of the possible risks to 267 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: national security. And the Supreme Court has supported that over 268 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: and over and over again. And Judge Cannon was like, 269 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't care about any of that. I'm treating Donald 270 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: Trump differently. And you know, I called her a classified 271 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: documents denier. She said, I don't even know that. I'm 272 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: not prepared to take this is what she said. I'm 273 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: not prepared to take DJ's assertion that these documents are 274 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: classified materials. She's a classified documents denier. We saw the picture. 275 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: These are classified documents that were taken from his office, 276 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: from his desk drawers. And so the adults are back 277 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: in charge on the federal bench, and they said, no, 278 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: there's a reason we have national security laws, procedures and 279 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: protocols in place. It's to protect the American people, and 280 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: they're taking that seriously. So before we move on to 281 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: Judge Deery and the I mean shot shot shots that 282 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: he has that he has sent over the fence to 283 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: the Trump to the Trump team legal team. You know, 284 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: the other day I was watching Joy Read on MSNBC 285 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: and she said something that really struck me, and then 286 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: I tweeted it. She said something to the effect that 287 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has multiple properties around the country, right and frankly, 288 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: around the world. What is making us think that Mara 289 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: Lago was the only place that Donald Trump was holding documents, 290 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: that he was stashing documents And why wouldn't Why haven't 291 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: we then seen a warrant being delivered for Trump Tower 292 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: in New York City for other properties that he has 293 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: around the country, with the idea that we know based 294 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: on testimony from January saying that he was traveling around 295 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: into foreign nations with these documents. So do we believe 296 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: that Mara Lago is the only place where classified documents 297 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: could possibly be. Yeah, there's legal sense and then there's 298 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: common sense. And what you and I Enjoy are applying 299 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: is common sense common sense and says, you rob the 300 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: bank and you got five properties. Well, you may have 301 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: your proceeds of crime, the money you stole at any 302 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: one of those five properties. So isn't it prudent for 303 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement to look at all five of your properties. Yes, 304 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: it's prudent, and that's common sense. But here is looking 305 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: at it through the lens of how we do search warrants. 306 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: Here's my thinking about this. If the Department of Justice, 307 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: if the FBI had probable cause, based on evidence they 308 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: had developed, that Donald Trump was concealing classified materials stolen 309 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: documents at any of his other properties, what we would 310 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: almost always do is coordinated simultaneous search warrants because, and 311 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: we do this all the time, when we're dealing with 312 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: multiple crimes, multiple criminals, multiple targets of an investigation, the 313 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: last thing we want to do is only have one 314 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: search warrant hit one location when we know there's lots 315 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: of other evidence of crime at other locations, because that 316 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: alerts everybody that you better get rid of all the 317 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: other evidence right right before we come for you. That's 318 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: why we do simultaneous coordinated search warrants. But we can 319 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: only do that if we have probable cause and we 320 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: can present it to a judge and the judges persuaded 321 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: that yes, based on the evidence, I can conclude there 322 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: are also stolen classified materials at Bedminster, at Trump Tower, 323 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: at where Dral, at wherever. And because I know we 324 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: would have done simultaneous search warrants and we didn't, that 325 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: leads me to believe we only had probable cause that 326 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: we could use to persuade a judge to issue a 327 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: search warrant for one location. Marilago got it, okay, which 328 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: you know and in all honesty, which kind of makes 329 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: sense just based on Trump's ego, which is that he 330 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: wants these documents where he is right and and and 331 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: and that that in and of itself is like no, no, um, 332 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: these are mine right? And so where is Donald Trump, 333 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: as Chris Hayes said the other night, at his retirement 334 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: home in Florida, So that's where the documents would be. 335 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: Um okay, switching gears, um, but staying on obviously the 336 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: same topic, Judge Deary, this was the special Master that 337 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: the Trump team wanted. The DJ said, okay, have that 338 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: at it. We're not going to fight this now. Again. 339 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: They got what they wished for, and it doesn't seem 340 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: to be going their way because the decisions and the 341 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: pace at which Deary is moving is not what they 342 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: had anticipated. They wanted to drag this out. Deary is 343 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: set in time lines that are like no, no, no no. 344 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: If you have evidence that you declassified documents, send it. 345 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: They said, no, no, we couldn't possibly so talk to 346 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: us about the other decisions that that he has made 347 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: that are letting us know that he did not come 348 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: to play with them. Yeah, Judge Derry is making life 349 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: hell for Donald Trump and his criminal defense team because 350 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump said that Judge Cannon, I want a special Master, 351 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: even though the law doesn't entitle me to one. Judge 352 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Cannon said, you got it, mister Trump, he said, and 353 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: I want that special Master to be Raymond Deary, senior 354 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: judge up in the Eastern District of New York, Brooklyn. 355 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: And Judge Cannon said, you got it, mister Trump. And 356 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: now Judge Deary said, okay, you want me to review 357 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: these documents for possible privilege. First, Trump defense team tell 358 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: me what he declassified, if anything, because unless Judge Derry 359 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: has that information, he can't even begin to do an 360 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: informed review of this stuff. And this is my favorite part, 361 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: and this may be the only time I've ever agreed 362 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: with anything that a Trump criminal defense attorney has ever said. 363 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: They said, we're not telling you because that would that 364 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: will hurt our ability to defend Donald Trump when he's indicted. Yes, 365 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: I embrace that. I agree with the defense team that 366 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs to be and will be indicted. So 367 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: that that's one wonderful thing that came out of Dearies, 368 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he's presiding over this as Special Master. 369 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: The second thing he just said, I think yesterday, Donald Trump, 370 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: you have claimed that the FBI planted evidence. Put up 371 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: or shut up? Right now, present to me the evidence, 372 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: because if I'm going to be reviewing these documents that 373 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: you wanted me to review, I need to know what 374 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: you claim the FBI planted because I guess I don't 375 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: have to review those for privilege, right because you didn't 376 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: even take those so's he is, pardon the term, trumping 377 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: them over and over and over again and then most recently, 378 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: and I still need to read up on this one. 379 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: But you know, I have two heroes this week, Tiss 380 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: James and Raymond Deary. Judge Deary said, you will now 381 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: be fine, Donald Trump five hundred dollars an hour. That'll 382 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: add up quickly until you tell me the following, And 383 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: I need to read what the following is. I think 384 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: it has to do with him divulging what he claims 385 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: the FBI planted. But I'm learning more about that topic 386 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: right now. But Judge Deery did not come to play. 387 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: Judge Deerrey's a real judge. He was a fis a 388 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: court judge. And why somebody told Donald Trump, Oh, I 389 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: think Judge Deery once made this decision that you know, 390 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: really ticked off the Department of Justice. So I think 391 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: he might be a good one. That's me trying to 392 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: look into the mind of the pick. But boy was 393 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: out of miscalculation. I mean, he only surrounds himself with 394 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: the best people, Glenn, so you know what else would 395 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: we expect. Okay to the hero of the week, Tish James. 396 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: Three years of investigating Trump organization, Donald Trump his spawn, 397 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: she has come to the conclusion and in her press 398 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: conference laid out everything that you have known and said 399 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: everything that I have known, and said, this is not 400 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: your average family. This is a crime family that has 401 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: been running a fraudulent scheme by inflating, deflating the values 402 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: of their properties, their wealth in order to secure insurance 403 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: and deals that would be better for them. Essentially what 404 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: we were told a while ago. Donald Trump is not 405 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: as rich as he says that he is. He's rich, 406 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: but he ain't billions rich. So walk us through Tish 407 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: James what she has uncovered. The fact that we know 408 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: that again, this is a civil matter. She is suing 409 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump for two hundred and fifty million dollars and 410 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: also has referred to both the IRS and the Department 411 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: of Justice for criminal pro which has now all of 412 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, we just got a statement from the man 413 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: that's been asleep at the wheel Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, 414 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: who I've been saying for months should be investigated for 415 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: his like quick about face on the initial Scythance investigation 416 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: into Donald Trump. So tell us what we need to 417 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: know about where we think this case Tis James's civil 418 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: case is going, and also the referrals. Yeah, Tis James 419 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: dropped a two hundred and twenty page lawsuit complaint in 420 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: a lawsuit. We should keep in mind this is civil 421 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: not criminals. So Donald Trump won't go to jail behind 422 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: this action. But as you say, Tis James found so 423 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: much evidence of crime that she referred him for criminal 424 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: investigation to the Southern District of New York US Attorney's 425 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Office and Arm of the Department of Justice, and to 426 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: the IRS for tax fraud. And it really does highlight 427 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: the poor decision Alvin Bragg made some months back to 428 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: overrule his career prosecutors who said, Boss, we got enough 429 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: to indict and convict Donald Trump of multiple fell Any crimes. 430 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: And Bragg said, yeah, I'm not feeling it. I'm killing 431 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: the investigation into Trump. Now, all of a sudden, Bragg 432 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: is playing catchup. Well no, no, no, no, I'm still investigating. Yeah, 433 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: well we'll see sport. You know, your track record is 434 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: not strong at this point. But so Tish James basically 435 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: has the goods against Donald Trump that he has been 436 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: engaged in financial fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud for a 437 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: very long time. And what I loved about a G. 438 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: James press conference is she gave us the receipts that 439 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: we can all understand. Because insurance fraud, banking fraud, tax fraud, 440 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: it can be pretty murky stuff for people to understand. 441 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: She said, let me give you just two examples. One 442 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has an apartment, and for any number of 443 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: financial purposes, he certified that his apartment it has thirty 444 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: thousand square feet in it, when in fact it has 445 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: less than eleven thousand square feet, and he used that 446 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: information to defraud. Right, I can understand that. I get that. 447 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: Here's the other example she gave, which I loved. Donald 448 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: Trump apparently owns some rent subsidized apartments and they are 449 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: professionally valued at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and 450 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: he certified that they were valued at forty nine million 451 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: dollars for fraudulent purposes. I can understand the disparity in 452 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: those numbers. She not only has the goods, Danielle, she 453 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: makes clear in that two hundred and twenty page complaint 454 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: that she has the witnesses who can provide those goods. 455 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Because that complaint is replete with phrases like Donald Trump 456 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: signed the following document defying this was accurate. Donald Trump 457 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: told his staff to do X Y n Z. Donald 458 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Trump arranged to have and over and over again, because 459 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: we know he tries to act like a mob bosson 460 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: insulate himself from ever being personally held accountable for anything. Well, 461 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: she dug in for three years, went through millions of documents, 462 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: and she's got the goods of Donald Trump personally orchestrating 463 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: and directing massive fraud that she says, I think was 464 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: in the billions of dollars. Ultimately, although she's suing to 465 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: get two hundred and fifty million dollars out of him, 466 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: bar he and his adult children from ever serving on 467 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: a board or as an officer of any New York corporation, 468 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: barring them from applying for any loans from New York 469 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: institutions or being involved in any real estate deals in 470 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: New York for five years. I mean, this puts a 471 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: nail in the coffin of the Trump organization. And this 472 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: is a nice incremental step of accountability for Trump. It's 473 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: not the first criminal indictment, but I hope we see 474 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: that soon. You know. The thing that that also got 475 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: me with regard to the press conference, and I believe 476 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: it was a question asked by a reporter in the room, 477 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: which was why not just settle right? And frankly, what 478 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: I believe that what James offered was that the Trump 479 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: team came back with a settlement, and she was just like, 480 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: this is not it. So tell me again, not a lawyer, 481 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: but if you're offering up a settlement, that means that 482 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: you are guilty. Yeah, that means that you would like 483 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: to wash this away and go So she's asking for 484 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. I'm pretty sure they 485 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: didn't come close to that number. And she was like, 486 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: so no, but they knew. The lawyers knew by virtue 487 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: of them saying, hey, hey, hey, let's not drag this out. 488 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: Let's you know, just just take this and we'll and 489 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: we'll walk away. And Tis James said, no, what do 490 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: you infer from that? So, first of all, his attorneys, 491 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: I don't know who's representing him in this civil suit. 492 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: You know, he really is scraping the bottom of the 493 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: barrel on the attorney front. The attorneys assessed the litigation 494 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: risk after they saw what Tis James had. They knew 495 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: they were wrong, they knew their client would lose, and 496 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: they said, we really want to make this go away. 497 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: Can we settle? And Tis James said no, I mean, 498 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: the only settlement that I think would be acceptable to 499 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: me if I were on Tis James team, would be 500 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. And you agree to 501 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: be barred from everything we are seeking to bar you from. 502 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: We'll take that settlement because that's what we're suing you for. 503 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: But the other thing that is just beautiful is Donald Trump. 504 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: Remember was deposed, He sat for a deposition and testified. 505 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: Tis James investigation pled four hundred forty times. He pleaded 506 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment, he invoked his Fifth Amendment right against 507 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 1: self incrimination. And I can tell you what Tis James 508 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: and her team did. They had a draft of that 509 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty page complaint, and they asked him 510 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: every single question that addressed every single allegation in that complaint, 511 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: and every time he said, if I answered truthfully, I 512 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: would incriminate myself. That's admissible at his civil trial, and 513 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: the jury can draw inferences against him that if he 514 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: had answered, he would have lost. He's done. He has 515 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: nowhere to go in this litigation, nowhere. So the only 516 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: settlement that I would take is I want everything that 517 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: we are suing you for, and then will settle. And 518 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: the funny thing is is that I think that we 519 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: believe that Donald Trump is worth about two hundred what Danielle. 520 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: He ain't a billionaire. I don't think he's a Millionaire's 521 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: lucky if he's a thousand air Oh god, all right, 522 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Glenn Um, I appreciate this supersized review of where Trump's 523 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: no good, very bad week came from. Just um. You know, 524 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: last question for you looking ahead? What are you looking 525 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: out for and what can we expect? I guess in 526 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: the in the coming weeks. You know, we've got a 527 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: J six hearing coming up. I don't know what the focus. 528 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: They haven't told us what the precise focus will be, 529 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: but I hope it starts to take us from the 530 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: insurrection into the Willard war Room and then into the 531 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: direct contacts between folks in the Willard war Room and 532 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: the Oval Office and Donald Trump. I will be covering 533 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: for MSNBC the first seditious conspiracy trial that kicks off 534 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: this week in District Court in DC. So that's going 535 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: to be interesting to watch and see how the government 536 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: presents the evidence in that case. And then, you know, 537 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: I think the Classify Documents investigation is something that if 538 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: DJ chooses to jump out and do some indictments fairly quickly, 539 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: they can. I don't know if they will, but at 540 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: least the scheduling front that may have eclipsed, you know, 541 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: the J six investigation with respect to where we might 542 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: see the first federal indictments come down, Okay, Oh it's 543 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: gonna be. It is gonna be a busy, busy fall. 544 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: I love it, Love to see it. Glenn Kirshner, as 545 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: always appreciate you making the time for Woke app and 546 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: we will see you next week. And let's hope that 547 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: the good times actually keep rolling towards an indictment. Yeah. Thanks, Danielle. 548 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke 549 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: a App. As always, power to the people and to 550 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.