WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: The Sewing Machine

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm the executive producer of this show and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of others, and I love all things tech

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<v Speaker 1>and it is time for a classic episode of tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode originally published way back on October two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen. It was about a topic that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think when I first started going into it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be particularly interesting or have any controversy around it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was incredibly wrong. This is the sewing machine. Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to talk about patent wars, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about patent wars on tech Stuff before. Patent wars are

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got at least two, but sometimes multiple entities

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<v Speaker 1>all claiming ownership for some kind of technology and competing

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<v Speaker 1>against each other and sometimes taking each other to court

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<v Speaker 1>and saying nasty things about each other's moms. And you

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<v Speaker 1>might think that that's a pretty recent activity, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the smartphone, that that's a big patent war, right, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of modern viciousness around patents. But here's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>modern viciousness has a long and detailed history that we

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<v Speaker 1>can trace back to one of the most important pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. I am not using hyper bowl people, this

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<v Speaker 1>is true to me. It's certainly a super important piece

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. Mean, when you look at when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at mass production, this is one of the specific pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of technology that makes mass production possible. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machines. So sewing machines, as it turns out, were

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of one of the first major patent wars.

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<v Speaker 1>And the story is a complex one, filled with joy

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<v Speaker 1>and tragedy and a lot of crabbiness and some some stitches,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot needles, a lot of that. If

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<v Speaker 1>any of your listeners have listened to the Stephy Maston

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<v Speaker 1>history class episode on this very thing, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this will be repeat information. Yeah, but it's just so fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>how completely similar to modern day arguments over tech, these

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<v Speaker 1>ones where I mean it's it's it's you can draw

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<v Speaker 1>direct parallels. I mean, seriously, when you look at a

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<v Speaker 1>company trying to make a piece of technology as complex essay,

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<v Speaker 1>a tablet or a smartphone. Now, a tablet or a

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<v Speaker 1>smartphone by itself is one thing, but it's made up

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<v Speaker 1>of numerous individual components, some of which may not be

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<v Speaker 1>owned by one particular entity. The same thing is true

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<v Speaker 1>with sewing machines, as it turns out, absolutely So before

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<v Speaker 1>we jump into the sordid history of the sewing machine,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I would remind folks what a patent is.

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<v Speaker 1>What's all about. So patents are that's a set of

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive rights granted by a government some form of agency

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<v Speaker 1>that has authority to an inventor or an assigning for

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<v Speaker 1>the use of an invention. Now, an invention does not

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a complete thing all by itself. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be a component of a thing, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>were to have a full invention. Let's say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>washing machine, because we've done a tech stuff episode about

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<v Speaker 1>washing machines, and you come up with a way to

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<v Speaker 1>improve washing machines so that they wash clothes, uh more

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<v Speaker 1>thoroughly or without as much bashing around, so the clothing

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take as much of a beating. And you come

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<v Speaker 1>up with that that improvement, and then you patent it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do that, that's perfectly acceptable, and then any

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<v Speaker 1>washing machine that would use that particular improvement would have

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<v Speaker 1>to either have been made by you or have received

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<v Speaker 1>your permission to use that specific technology. So patents can

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<v Speaker 1>be for a full invention with all the different components,

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<v Speaker 1>or it can be just a tiny little thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>an improvement. The point of it is the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>you would want to patent it is that you get

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<v Speaker 1>those ex elusive rights to use that technology. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>return for that, you have to disclose how that technology works.

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<v Speaker 1>You submit a patent application that has a full description

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<v Speaker 1>of the mechanism and the purpose of your invention, and

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<v Speaker 1>that becomes publicly available, and once the patent expires, which

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<v Speaker 1>they do, anyone can access that information and make use

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But during the course of that patent, that

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<v Speaker 1>the lifespan of that patent, it's all you, boss. They

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<v Speaker 1>got to come through you. Yeah, Although that is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting one related to what we're talking about today, because

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<v Speaker 1>there were several instances on the road to the sewing

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<v Speaker 1>machine actually becoming a fully fledged thing where there were

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<v Speaker 1>some FIBs told in the patent filings so that they

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<v Speaker 1>could keep their proprietary information to themselves, so when people

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<v Speaker 1>tried to replicate them, they did not always work. Right. See,

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<v Speaker 1>you could if you wanted to, if you invented something.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing nothing that requires you to get a patent.

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<v Speaker 1>You could keep it secret and say this magical technology

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<v Speaker 1>is mine and minal loan. But the danger of that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is if someone gets hold of it and

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<v Speaker 1>figures out how it works, they could then make the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing with and you would have no protection. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only could they make the same thing, they could file

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<v Speaker 1>a patent for it, and then you would no longer

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<v Speaker 1>be able to use the thing you invented. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about first rites. Yeah, so, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>and we haven't even gotten into the complication of filing

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<v Speaker 1>for a patent in one country versus filing for a

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<v Speaker 1>button and another. But we've we've hemmed in hod long

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<v Speaker 1>enough about patents. Let's start off. Tell me what what

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<v Speaker 1>was sewing before the sewing machine. Well, most people would

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<v Speaker 1>probably recognize it if they thought about pre sewing machines sewing,

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<v Speaker 1>they would think of an needle and thread. But even

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<v Speaker 1>way before that, there were people using bones and sticks

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of poke holes into fabrics, usually leathers, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they would pass a lace through. It was not

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<v Speaker 1>all one continuous thing where the lace was attached to

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<v Speaker 1>the the boner stick and then they added the eye

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<v Speaker 1>that circle that the whatever you're lacing material passes through. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that confounds me whenever I have to thread

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<v Speaker 1>a needle. Many people say that I think he either

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<v Speaker 1>got it or you don't. I don't got it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I keep it forever, because I have a

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<v Speaker 1>few friends who are saying are getting to the age

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<v Speaker 1>and their eyesight isn't letting them keep it anymore. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that eventually that I was added and people were

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<v Speaker 1>able to do it all in one fell swoop where

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<v Speaker 1>they poked the whole and passed the binding material through,

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<v Speaker 1>and that also developed things like embroidery. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really until the Industrial Revolution that stitching became mechanized. And

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<v Speaker 1>even pre Industrial Revolution in the mid seventeen hundreds, where

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<v Speaker 1>kind of industry was first starting to get seated, is

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<v Speaker 1>really where we started having first people on record actually

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<v Speaker 1>filing things. Right. So you have Charles Wisenthal here who

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<v Speaker 1>received a patent for a needle for a sewing machine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it had a distinct disadvantage and that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a design for a needle for a machine that didn't exist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he just really felt like he had the needle situation

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<v Speaker 1>where down and eventually the rest would follow. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to really nail the needle. Is his approach, which is true.

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<v Speaker 1>The needle how it came to be where it is

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<v Speaker 1>today really took a lot of iterations. And his needle

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<v Speaker 1>had was pointed on both ends, and it had an eye.

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<v Speaker 1>But the eye was in the middle, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>If anybody knows a modern sewing machine or hand sewing needle,

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<v Speaker 1>the eye is usually not in the middle. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>then we move forward to we have Thomas st who

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<v Speaker 1>I love the title of his patents. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this in the history podcast. It's it's so succaint, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so delightful and just completely rebos. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to read it? Let me, let me do this all right?

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<v Speaker 1>So he's an English cabinet maker, so uh sorry, listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go an entire new method of making and

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<v Speaker 1>completing shoes, boots, splatter, dashes, clogs, and other articles by

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<v Speaker 1>means and tools, and by means of tools and machines

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<v Speaker 1>also invented by me for that purpose, and of certain

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<v Speaker 1>compositions of the nature of japan or varnish, which will

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<v Speaker 1>be very advantageous in many useful applications. End quote. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you just feel like this is sewing as described by

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<v Speaker 1>a Monty Python sketch. It does feel like John Cleese

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<v Speaker 1>is the person who needs to deliver that patent title.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's Terry Jones, but we all have our favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair. You went more Welsh. That's all right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine with that. So he's actually describing three different

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<v Speaker 1>machines in this patent um. So the second of the three,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why it's so crazy wordy, I mean Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and varnish, which are the words used for like these

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<v Speaker 1>coding um methods have nothing to do with stitching. But

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of lumped everything together. And he was a

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet maker. I think maybe he didn't like to file

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of paper. Yeah, that's probably one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things where thought, goodness, gracious, this is a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's just lump it all together. One very wordy

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<v Speaker 1>document will cover me. So the second part of his

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<v Speaker 1>patent was actually the one for stitching, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't terribly practical. It had a lot of components that

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<v Speaker 1>we actually associate with modern sewing machines. So it had

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<v Speaker 1>arm with the needle, it had a continuous thread from

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<v Speaker 1>a spool, uh and it had a table set up

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<v Speaker 1>that the cloth would sit on, and those all still

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<v Speaker 1>persist in some form or another. But his is a

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<v Speaker 1>case where there's no actual example of his machine having

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<v Speaker 1>been built, although in eighteen seventy three Newton Wilson, who

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<v Speaker 1>was from Great Britain, found the plans and he did

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<v Speaker 1>build this machine, but it did not work. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those ones that we talked about a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit ago, where the suspicion is that he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>entirely disclose what he was getting, right, leave a few

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<v Speaker 1>things out of the patent design so that folks don't

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<v Speaker 1>automatically go out there and actually start making one uh.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing about patents, by the way, there's no guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that your design has to work. It has to it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be reasonably you know, the people at the

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<v Speaker 1>patent offices have to reasonably believe that you you believe

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<v Speaker 1>it will work the way you've designed it. But you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to prove. Yeah, there's not a proofing stage design. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to bring one in and say, well, here,

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<v Speaker 1>let me put it in motion and show you that

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<v Speaker 1>all the parts move the way I've described it in

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<v Speaker 1>the patent. It really is just meant to prevent other

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<v Speaker 1>people from making that same design without your permission. All right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>then in four we've got this story about Thomas Stone

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<v Speaker 1>and James Henderson who were issued a patent in France

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<v Speaker 1>for their own kind of sewing machine. Right. Yeah. It

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<v Speaker 1>kind of created an overcast stitch. So if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that is, I do not. Um. If you

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<v Speaker 1>see like a situation where two pieces of cloth are

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<v Speaker 1>bound together and there's a stitch that passes through each

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<v Speaker 1>one and kind of spirals around the edges and then

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<v Speaker 1>back through, that's an overcast okay, all right, um, so

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<v Speaker 1>this was similar. It's also called a whip stitch when

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<v Speaker 1>you do it by hand, so it's very simple. But

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<v Speaker 1>it could work on all different kinds of fabrics. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was able to stitch curves. Okay, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a straight line like some of the other devices

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about. Correct, Like a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>will only go in a straight line, but this one

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<v Speaker 1>could handle curves. That The one big drawback of it, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was that it did not have a continuous thread feed,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was a lot of stopping and going and

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<v Speaker 1>re threading of needles and hating. So it saved time,

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<v Speaker 1>we think theoretically, I say that with a question mark

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose. Right, maybe it saves time for someone who

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<v Speaker 1>just really hates the motion of actually making a stitch. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're doing like large scale things like leathers

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<v Speaker 1>and probably help. So that same year you have John

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<v Speaker 1>Duncan of Glasgow here patenting an embroidery machine, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not quite the same thing as a stitching machine, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it does do stitches, but it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of utilitarian things that would hold together pants. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just make the pants beautiful. I've learned that through

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<v Speaker 1>a better experience. In seven we have Edward Walter Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>and Walter Chapman. It's not confusing at all receiving a

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<v Speaker 1>British patent three thousand, seventy eight. That's another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting. You look at the history of

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machines and you look at those patent numbers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they're still in the four digit range, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>If guys go to the patent I'll go to like

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<v Speaker 1>Google search for patents and look up any patent that's

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<v Speaker 1>been issued over the last couple of years. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>in the millions here, Yeah, and this is when they

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<v Speaker 1>were still in the thousands, which is pretty incredible. It

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<v Speaker 1>really does show that the patent industry here was very young.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this was the one that allowed a machine

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<v Speaker 1>that had a needle that would not have to pass

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through the fabric. It could just puncture it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh slightly and then pull back out and make the

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<v Speaker 1>stitch that way, right, which is how modern machines still

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<v Speaker 1>were for the most part. I think there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of specialty machines that do different things. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it had two needles. One, as you said, punched in

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<v Speaker 1>and passed the thread down. Another kind of shuttled through

0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.560
<v Speaker 1>it and then it got pulled back up. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>continuous stitching via these two different thread feeds. Cool. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have my favorite name on our list. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites eight thirty. So it's bartelling me Himnier.

0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I love a good French name. Yeah, that's a great one,

0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.679
<v Speaker 1>as there's two th in there, and as I recall,

0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a hard tea but I could be wrong. It

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<v Speaker 1>is it is. And his machine made a chain stitch

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<v Speaker 1>and there are still machines very similar to this functioning today.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not used a whole lot because it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. You may have even come across them periodically.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever have, like an article of clothing that's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not super pricy, you may be bought it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a cheap store, and you pull one thread and the

0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.680
<v Speaker 1>whole thing starts coming out. That's often a chain stitch

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the one thread holding everything together, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing stopping it from continuing to unravel. Right. That's what

0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.959
<v Speaker 1>I always get nervous now whenever I see a loose thread,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm more of a snipper than a than a

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<v Speaker 1>tugger at it. Not I'm a yanker, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>I can fix it if it all goes a right. Yeah.

0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.679
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's it's fixing means going out and buying

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<v Speaker 1>a new one. We're gonna pause on our stitching right

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<v Speaker 1>now with the sewing machine and take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>What I love about this story is it's interesting because

0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a real life story that mirrors something that is

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<v Speaker 1>um a popular misconception. And what I mean by that

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<v Speaker 1>is in the story you have Tumonier who had a

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<v Speaker 1>shop in Paris. Uh. He had lots of these different machines,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty of them working at a time, and Taylor's people

0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 1>who sewed by hand, stormed his store and destroyed some

0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of the machinery because they didn't want to be put

0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 1>out of a job. And the reason why I say

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting is that there's a story that we

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<v Speaker 1>have told on tech stuff before that is erroneous and

0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.520
<v Speaker 1>uh and in fact I have been guilty of of

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<v Speaker 1>pushing this forward. The idea of sabotage being named after sabo,

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<v Speaker 1>as in the French word for shoe. The story is

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<v Speaker 1>that you had often it was told about weavers who

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<v Speaker 1>came in and threw their shoes into large mechanized looms

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<v Speaker 1>in order to foul the workings and destroy them. As

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, that's not necessarily true. The first the

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<v Speaker 1>first appearance of the word sabotage doesn't come until in

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<v Speaker 1>the written word, as far as I can tell, until

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<v Speaker 1>which tells me that this incident, which happened in around

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<v Speaker 1>the mid eighteen hundreds, could have given birth to a

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<v Speaker 1>word involving tailors that would have replaced sabotage, and they

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't capitalize on it. I want it to include

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<v Speaker 1>Timonier somehow I got totally Timoniate today at work, walked

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<v Speaker 1>in and they just ambushed me. Yeah. So they came

0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and destroyed his shop and he had to flee. And

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<v Speaker 1>he did give financial backing, uh so that he could

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<v Speaker 1>continue his work and develop new machines. But unfortunately, uh

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<v Speaker 1>and he got some additional patents as well, both in

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<v Speaker 1>France and and Britain. But the revolution kind of caused

0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.520
<v Speaker 1>his legacy to get put on the back burner. Yet

0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there were some important things that people were attending to

0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.640
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Yeah, not so much with the let's

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<v Speaker 1>make machines. Now, we've got an American inventor coming up next,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's just take a moment to go America. Well,

0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and he becomes very important in the patent battles. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is Walter Hunt you're talking about here. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>he made a machine that it created a lock stitch.

0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 1>It used to thread sources, very similar to the bobbing

0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and school method you would see modern machines. Um and

0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.160
<v Speaker 1>this you know, of course, was different than the single

0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.480
<v Speaker 1>thread chain stitch of Timoni. A successful machines and he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of was a busy bee he had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of inventions going at the same time, and so it

0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like this sewing machine was his baby and he

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<v Speaker 1>had really put his heart and soul into it. He

0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, no, no, he's ever gonna be

0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.400
<v Speaker 1>interested in this, and he sold it. So he sold

0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the patent off to he didn't even have the patent.

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<v Speaker 1>He just I go, that's right, he didn't even patent

0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.280
<v Speaker 1>this invention. He's like, yeah, I could use the money.

0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.640
<v Speaker 1>He sold it to a man named George a aerosmith

0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and was basically like, yeah, well, you know, I'll fund

0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 1>some other projects with whatever I make off of this.

0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:13.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not that important. Um. As we said, he comes

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<v Speaker 1>up later and becomes very important to remember him. And

0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll also point out his machine was one that Jonathan

0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.040
<v Speaker 1>referenced earlier that would only go in straight lines. You

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.320
<v Speaker 1>couldn't really work curves with it, right, so that that

0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:30.200
<v Speaker 1>certainly limits its usefulness. Uh. Now, we also have to

0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.040
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge the fact that there's a challenge in really talking

0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about the history of the sewing machine because of an

0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.720
<v Speaker 1>event that happened in that the mid eighteen hundreds, early

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<v Speaker 1>to mid eighteen hundreds. Yeah, we had a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a fire in the patent office. Yeah, as it

0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.719
<v Speaker 1>turns out, patents are flammable. Yes, some one had patented

0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the the the not the inflammable that would also be flammable,

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.520
<v Speaker 1>but the impossible to burn patent. Yeah, And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a time where they were making tons of backups. It

0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:00.560
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like you find ELLT and you go

0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.240
<v Speaker 1>on your way. Because we're still in the thousands. They

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really gotten their game figured out yet, right, not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention the fact that they're making Making duplicates is

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<v Speaker 1>no easy task at this time, so they thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe enough. Yeah, that fire was in eighteen thirty six,

0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.399
<v Speaker 1>so they really did not have a plan in place

0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to keep duplicate copies. And as a consequence, there are

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot some sources will say that there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kind of partial patent documents that still

0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 1>exists that like they mentioned a needle, or they mentioned

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.919
<v Speaker 1>something sewing related, but like the attribution portion of the

0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.080
<v Speaker 1>document has been too damaged and they don't know who

0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.359
<v Speaker 1>filed it. So there could be families out there that

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.760
<v Speaker 1>could have, for all we know, inherited great wealth. But

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:48.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll never know because the capriciousness of fire robbed them

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of their place in history. Fire and it's ways possibly

0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.119
<v Speaker 1>on Martha's vineyard. In eighteen forty two, we've got John J. Greenoff,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the first guy, first American, to get a

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<v Speaker 1>patent for the sewing machine that we have a record

0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 1>of anyway. Um, so even though he made his invention

0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.000
<v Speaker 1>after Hunt had, Hunt had not patented it, and as

0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you have in your notes here, the aerosmith apparently never

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>got around the patenting it either. So, uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first one in the American patent system. Yeah, he

0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>there was no replication of his He basically kind of

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.240
<v Speaker 1>was one and done. Yes, So he made a prototype

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and then not a production model. Yeah, there's we don't

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.520
<v Speaker 1>know if he didn't get funding or if he just

0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.560
<v Speaker 1>abandoned the idea and moved on to something else. But

0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 1>it was only a year later when the second U. S.

0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Patent for a sewing machine came about, and that was

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>issued to Benjamin W. Bean, which is a great name,

0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I know. Um, and he created a unique development and

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.199
<v Speaker 1>that his machine was the first that actually fed the

0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>fabrics through gears. So for the stitchers in the house,

0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.399
<v Speaker 1>all three of us, um that's similar to feed dogs,

0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and if you don't stitch, what a feed dog is.

0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.200
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever looked at a sewing machine, you may

0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 1>see these two. They almost looked like little feet that

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.239
<v Speaker 1>come up and kind of kick at your fabric as

0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you're showing, and they have rigid edges and that's kind

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.679
<v Speaker 1>of pulling your fabric through as you go right, so

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to put through as much effort, you

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about misguiding the fabric. So it

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 1>helps feed the fabric through as you're stitching. Yes, sometimes

0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it creates great drama and it eats fabric, but not

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.560
<v Speaker 1>very often. Um and his also had a clamp mechanism

0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to attach it to a table, so that was also

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a new development. Uh, and there are still machines made

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Also that year, in eighteen forty three,

0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.679
<v Speaker 1>we got George H. Corliss, who uh you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was also a busy body making making a steam engine.

0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. We did a full episode in Tech

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Stuff on steam engine. So if you guys are are

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 1>big into that and you really want to know about

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the development of the steam engine, here's a here's an

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 1>interesting little fact. The original steam engines didn't push with steam.

0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 1>They rather would pull by letting steam condense and create

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.119
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum, thus pulling a piston down rather than pushing

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a piston out. But we go into full detail and

0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.680
<v Speaker 1>tech stuff, so I don't need to redo the whole thing.

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 1>It is exciting, it's actually not cool, it's actually quite hot,

0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>but but ump up. So Cordless had what's considered the

0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.760
<v Speaker 1>third u S sewing machine patents. His performed what is

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>called a saddle stitch, which is a specialized stitch that's

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 1>used to this day to join leather together. Uh, it

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of keeps it all stable. If anybody has ever

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>tried to sew with leather, if you've had like a

0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 1>leather pouch or anything, Uh, it can present some challenges

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 1>in terms of how it because it's so rugged usually

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and tough, it will chew on threads and or even

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.120
<v Speaker 1>if you have a lacing, the lacing even though it's leather,

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.359
<v Speaker 1>also we'll kind of get chewed up over time. So

0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a saddle stitch kind of gives you a tighter stitch

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and it prevents some of that friction. Okay, cool, And

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.120
<v Speaker 1>then also just a year later in eighteen forty four,

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we've got James Rogers getting the fourth US sewing machine pad.

0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.399
<v Speaker 1>And you may all wonder why we're covering every single patent.

0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.119
<v Speaker 1>The Patent Wars will make all clear. Everybody's gonna be

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 1>really apparent, and it's it's it's important because again we're

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to illustrate the fact that a lot of these

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 1>patents were not revolutionary devices that completely reinvented the machine.

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 1>They were sometimes incremental improvements that had a remarkable difference

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>from earlier machines, but it was one tiny element, right,

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:31.080
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a full reworking. Yeah. So yeah, James Rogers

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 1>patent was really only had a tiny change to beans design,

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 1>and that was that the gears were kind of in

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>a different place and that allowed him to be able

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to design a different needle that was shaped a little

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 1>more simply and would be easier to replicate. Um. And

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 1>so pretty much every patent that came after this used

0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>this simpler set up that built on Bean's design, So

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.199
<v Speaker 1>it really set a precedent here. But now we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the star of the show. Okay, who's the star

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of the show because not being a big sewing machine guy,

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 1>but you watch Schoolhouse Rock growing Up? Right, I did

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>he was in it? Was he? Yeah, in some mother

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Necessity episode. I'll have to go watch my DVDs. Alias

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.479
<v Speaker 1>can you help me with my sewing? So it's an

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>alias here. We're talking about Elias Howe Jr. All right,

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 1>And there's even a play on his name where he

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.400
<v Speaker 1>tells her he's gonna fix everything and she says alias

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 1>how And it's very witty to the sewing nerds in right,

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>all three of your three of us. So Elias how

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 1>was born in Spencer, Massachusetts in eighteen nineteen. Uh, and

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.159
<v Speaker 1>when he was a teenager, he decided to go and

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.959
<v Speaker 1>seek his fortune as a machinist, which was a brand

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.120
<v Speaker 1>new job in the Industrial Revolution. Yeah, he was kind

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of he had some bravado. He was not afraid of

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of breaking out on his own and making his

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>way in the world. He certainly didn't appear to be

0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 1>shy once we get into that. Noars, Oh, he was

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.640
<v Speaker 1>a very smart man. Yeah, so he's going to Uh

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.439
<v Speaker 1>he ends up as a machinist overhearing some talk about

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the idea of of a sewing machine and starts to

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of apply his own ingenuity. How would I achieve

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing. So he's important to remember, yeah,

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and he um So, he was granted the fifth U S.

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Patent in September of eighteen six. And it's one of

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>those things that I have to laugh because every year

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 1>when September comes around, you see the today on this day,

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Elias how invented the sewing machine, and I'm like, back

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>up the truck. Not entirely accurate, right, It's like like

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know Edison invented the light bulb, all right, No,

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.439
<v Speaker 1>as an improved and not a Eureka moment where it

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>comes from nowhere, although he did sometimes say that like

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 1>he had it kind of fully universally on his own.

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.199
<v Speaker 1>That's very tesla like to Yeah. Um so, this was

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>patent number four thousand, seven fifty in the United States,

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, the previous one we gave. The number two

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was the British patent. So and in both cases you

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.360
<v Speaker 1>see that these are very very early on during the

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>patent offices existence. Yeah, they're numbering schemes were kind of

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>neck and neck in terms of where they were at

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>in terms of um uh accession order. Um So, this

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>patent was actually his second version of the machine that

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he patented. He had another prototype a year before that

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>was capable of sewing, but he um, he fine tuned

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit more. And house patent is very

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>important because it makes five very specific claims about how

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.679
<v Speaker 1>the machine is going to work, and they come up

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot in court battles like yeah, so this is

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>where I was talking about how you can make claims

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:45.199
<v Speaker 1>within a patent and those claims will protect elements of

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>your invention. And claims can be everything from specific physical

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>uh mechanical ways that the machine works to UH specific

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>method like an implementation. We see that to day in

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>ways that are are less um. They're they're more difficult

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to understand because if you're talking about a physical machine,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you can say the physical machine does it in this way,

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and you can see whether or not the machine is

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>actually doing it in that way. When we talk about today,

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about stuff like you know, resizing images by

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>pinching or or moving your fingers further apart from each other,

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and it starts to get a little wibbly wobbly time

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you whiney when you are trying to say, oh, well,

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a method that is unique that

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I came up with and no one else can use

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>it unless they come through me. That's uh, it's one

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>of those evolutions of the patent office that we're still

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to kind of reconcile. Yeah, it's not all black

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and white, which is why you get into these huge

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.959
<v Speaker 1>battles and arguments and things go to court and you

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>hear about Apple having to pay money, but then Samsung

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>has to pay all the money, right, Yeah, and sometimes

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it just sometimes everyone just ends up like, well, let's

0:26:58.119 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>just all say we gave each other the money when

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>we supposed to call today. But anyway, there were these

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 1>five elements. Did you want to cover any of them?

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>You have all of them written out here they are,

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>and they're written out long because I cut and pasted

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>it from another document, but I'll kind of do the

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 1>short version. So the first was he describes how he's

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>going to form a seam by using a curve needle

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>to go through the cloth and um a bobbin to

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of connect to that and and make the stitch,

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>similar to how we've talked about before this to thread version.

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>The second is how the thread is going to get

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>lifted and passed through the needle eye. There's a lifting

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>rod involved. That's very important. The third is how the

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 1>thread is going to be passed out by the shuttle,

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>so it has a lot to do with the tension

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>and how it passes through at a consistent rate. The

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>fourth is um how a couple of levers go together

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and enact. They're sort of mechanisms on the string or

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 1>the thread that's involved. And the fifth is how the

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 1>cloth is held in place by a baster plate, uh,

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 1>which is still a thing that happens like now, if

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you drop your foot down on your machine, it's kind

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 1>of pressing the cloth onto the plate of your machine.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 1>That's that keeps it from going just flying away when

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to stitch on it very important as I

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>understand it, in the sewing process. Yes, most machines made

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 1>today won't won't stitch at all if you don't have

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to press your foot down because they know they'll just

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>be wasting everyone's time. So how didn't meet with immediate

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>success with this design? Actually, he tried for a while

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>to get people here in the United States excited about it,

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and no one seemed to really give him much attention.

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>So he ended up selling the patent rights to a

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>or at least the British patent rights, I should say

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to William Thomas for the princely sum of two fifty

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>British pounds sterling. Uh and uh, I like, I like

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the other. Note here he also adapted his machine to

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>make umbrellas and corsets. That's fabulous. Yeah, I mean, I'm

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>in the market. We're both right now. So well, when

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>we talked about this on History, Tracy was saying, I

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>never thought about it before, but umbrella's, in course, it's

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>really are quite a lot alike. And that you know,

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you have a casing and you have these rigid elements

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>that passed through it and hold it all in shape.

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>And at this point it would have been all steelbone,

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>course tree. So it was very similar to an umbrella, right,

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>except that the main difference, at least in my experience,

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>is that it's a relief to have an umbrella and

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a relief to get rid of a corset. So don't

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>get it started. Of course, it's are good for you

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>if they're well fitted. They protect your back, they give

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you a great posture. Those tight lasers are a whole

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>different universe. Yeah. I worked at the Georgia Renaissance Festival

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>so I have a very specific experience of watching ladies. Know,

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a good foundation courset will keep your clothes in place.

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It holds up all those Victorian layers if it's a

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Victorian courset. So I'm kind of going from the time

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>period we're talking about. They're they're not mystery torture devices.

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Well really, we're not intended for that. You will clearly

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>need to have you come in and give a talk

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>because because those ladies, let me tell there is a

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of technology and physics and a courset either got

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to support from below or from above. It's fabulous. Well,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 1>moving on in the the evolution of the sewing machine,

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>we move up to and the sixth US sewing machine

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>patent from John A. Bradshaw, which was a little bit snarky. Yeah,

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>he talks about How's patent design in his patent and

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of says that it's bungling and it's an incumbrance

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to the action of the machine when he talks about

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the needle. So not only can How not get manufacturers

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>interested in his device, he has the next UH patent

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 1>UH petitioner completely dis him, totally trash in his work

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>even while he's building on it. He's still kind of

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>like he was onto something, but I really have this

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>thing figured out, Like, okay, well I can tell you

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>why it didn't do great with the manufacturers. Wonderful. So

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>eighteen nine we get how coming back to the United States, Uh,

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>he had gone to England, like we said to say,

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>to sell the British patent off. And when he comes

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>back he sees that that that what had been kind

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of a quiet, little tiny niche industry was starting to

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>take off. Yeah. The seventh patent for the sewing machine

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>have been issued to Charles Morey and Joseph B. Johnson

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen forty nine, and they were really some of

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the first two that were like, we need to start

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>selling this and making a bunch of them. And even

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>before they received their patent, they were selling machine, which

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>is perfectly fine. I mean, it's not like you don't

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>have to have a In fact, you often we'll see

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>today things like patent pending where people are trying to

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>capitalize on an idea because patent applications and patent grants

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>can take a long time, especially today now that you

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>have uh an exponentially larger number of applications coming into

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the patent ofvice than you did way back in the

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>mid eighteen hundreds. Yeah, there were some other people that

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>were trying to improve on Marie and Johnson's machine in

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the middle of eighteen forty nine. So that same year

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they got their patent, there was a man named Jotham

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>s Conan, and he was issued a patent based on

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a modification he made to their machine which just kind

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of altered the way that the cloth was held during

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the stitching. But his never really went anywhere. He didn't manufacture,

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>he didn't sell. But that same day that he got

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>his patent, another important person was getting a patent, John

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Batch Elder. So yeah, this was the continuous sewing mechanism

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and at an endless belt to feed the cloth into

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the machine. Yeah, thank you John, to make sure that

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to put in all that work yourself. Yeah,

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But the really important thing is who Batch Elder sold

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>his patent too. And here we come up to the

0:32:56.040 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>first name in this podcast that I recognize. I am

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Singer the Singer sewing machine. Everybody knows that well, I mean,

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, my my my grandmother and my my mom

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 1>both had Singer sewing machines. In fact, that there's the

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>both of them still exist. And my parents it's as

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like a little uh table that's next to the

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>front door of their house. But it's an old singer

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>sewing machine that that's operated by by pedal. Uh So, yeah,

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the one of those names that I think

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>most people associate it with sewing pretty quick. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>because I mean it's still a name. So yep, they're

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>still making. You don't hear about a lot of how

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>machines these days, but the singers still going. So now

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>we're to the argument phase. It's time for us to

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>take another quick break, but we'll be back with more

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>about the sewing machine in just a moment. We finally

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>reached the point now where things have come to ahead.

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>We've got the the snippy little patent applications out of

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the way. Now it's time to really get down to

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:13.879
<v Speaker 1>fisticuffs legally speaking. And uh it's the eighteen fifties where

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>we get that first enormous patent war. And it all

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>has to do with the fact that these different little

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>elements that have been improved upon over time, there were

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of arguments about who actually had ownership of

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>those ideas and in what implementations and who was owed

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>money by whom, and it got ugly, really really ugly.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So there was a a man by the name of

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Allen B. Wilson, and he in eighteen fifty was working

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>on this lock stitch machine very similar to the modern machine,

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and his mechanism could also go forward and backwards, which

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we had not encountered before. Uh. And he applied for

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 1>his patent. He had made a second prototype model, and

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the people that owned the brand shop patent from eight

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>got wind of this, and we're like, hold on a minute.

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.439
<v Speaker 1>For four Uh, we owned some of the concepts you're using.

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>The double pointed shuttle that made up a part of

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.919
<v Speaker 1>his machine was something that was part of their patent, uh,

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>they claimed, And that claim was not accurate. It was

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>complete bunk. So however, they think, well, let's throw a

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>wrench into this one. However, they had dollars and Wilson didn't,

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>so he could not fight them. So we get down

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to using the old idea of well, if if we can't,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>if we can't suppress this idea, one way, we can

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>just kind of run them out because we've got we've

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>got a larger reserve of cash. Yes, so, uh, he

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>had to give up half of his claim to a

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>P Kline and Edward Lee, who at that point held

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the Bradshaw patent, and that was in late November, and

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>then after a little while he just sold them the

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 1>rest of his interest. He didn't want to mess with

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>it anymore. He retained very limited rights. That's a very

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 1>sad story there, where essentially he was beaten down. Yeah,

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he really had the goods in terms of his invention

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to have been the singer of this story in terms

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>of name recognition, but because he just didn't have the

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>means to fight anybody that made a claim against him

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and vanished into history and to repsalt into the wound,

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>they would use his name in official advertisements. Yeah, people

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>recognize that he had invented something really pretty exciting because

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it could do these things that previous machines couldn't, And

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>so their advertisements went a by Wilson's sewing Machine, the

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>best and only practical sewing machine not larger than a

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>lady's workbox, for the trifling sum of thirty five dollars.

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>So not only does he not get the benefit of

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>actually owning this device that he invented, he then has

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the indignity of having his name used in the advertising

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>while this other company makes money off of it. Yeah,

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>he really did get shafted. So meanwhile, we've got to

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>lie as How who He's no dummy, No, he's witnessing

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>this and realizing some stuff is going down. Maybe I

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>need to maybe I need to kind of circle my

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>little my proverbial wagons here. So he decides that he's

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.760
<v Speaker 1>going to protect the rights to royalties from his inventions. Uh,

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and anything that could trace elements of the products being

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>sold back to one of his patents, right, Yeah, and

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>from the Branshaw model on. They really were working on

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>How's machine and kind of making twee tweaks to that. Uh.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>And then he really got angry because he saw Isaac Singers,

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>one of Isaac Singer's sons, demonstrating their sewing machine. Yeah,

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>and uh he said, huh, some of these elements look

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>awfully familiar. So of course he ends up doing the

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>responsible thing, you know. He contacts Singer and says, um, actually,

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I own the patent for this, this machinery, this particular

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>piece that you're using, and uh so by law, um,

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I should really receive a royalty payment because you're you're

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>using it in you or device and otherwise not not

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>compensating me for it, and so um, I'd really like

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>that two thousand dollars you owe me, and Singer, being

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the very level headed professional businessman, uh, decided to um

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>physically threatened How. Yeah. He Singer was known for having

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a really bad temper. He did some really seedy things

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just in business outside of this, and when it came

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to this, there was one incident where he allegedly threatened

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and nearly threw how down the steps outside his office.

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Like there were fisticuffs. It wasn't just yelling and through lawyers,

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>they were physically I get the feeling that Singer is

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>very much like the character from from Parts of the

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Caribbean who just says, you know, they're more like guidelines.

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>It's he's he's not not really one to necessarily be

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>too concerned with the actual rules of law. You know,

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that actor that plays Jackmi Gibb would make a great

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Isaac Singer, he would, But How did a super smart thing.

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 1>This is where we really realized that this man was

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>just really smart and very widely so. He like some

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of these previous sad stories. Really didn't have a lot

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of money to get into a lot of legal battles,

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>but he figures out a way to finance some litigation.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>He sells half of his interest in his patent to

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a man named George Bliss, and Bliss manufactured machines. He

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>built them as being House patent, even though they were

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty different from House initial design. But the money that

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>how made off of this partnership was basically put into

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.959
<v Speaker 1>his litigation machine and he just started fighting people. Oh

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>got you. So, so what he was doing was he

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>had made this partnership. He was making money off the partnership.

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Bliss is making money because of Howe's name. How is

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>making money because of the partnership with Bliss. He ends

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>up spending that money directly on lawyers to attack people

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>who are actually infringing upon his patents. Yeah, he went

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 1>after Singer with great vigor. But there we're a lot

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 1>of other people that were also in this mix. Uh,

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 1>two of them Laroux and Blodgett. That we're a pair,

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that we're making a firm, that we're making machines that

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>he thought infringed. There was actually a judgment in that

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>case in House favor that was the first one to

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.359
<v Speaker 1>be settled, and once it it was like the first

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>of the dominoes, because then everybody else kind of panicked.

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>He went, oh, wow, he really has a case. Right.

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>When you've got a precedent set like that, then the

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it becomes clear that's going to get harder and harder

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to win a case. Uh. You know when a defense

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>against such a claim, If the claim has already been

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 1>held up in court in one instance, then the fear

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>is that it will be the same in future ones.

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's cheaper to settle it is to go through

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the process and then maybe have to be forced to

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>to hand over a larger reward in a court decision. Yeah,

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and how was basically happy to any settlements, be like, okay,

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 1>let's set up a license. Like he was willing to

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>deal with them. It wasn't like he wanted to prevent

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 1>other people from making their machine. This is very different

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>from we see today when we were talking about similarities.

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>But today we got a lot of what we call

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>them patentrols. These are the folks who will get a

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 1>patent and then either they don't make anything on their own,

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>or they make something very very tiny, and then they

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>just kind of sit around and wait for folks to

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 1>infringe upon them. They threatened litigation in hopes of a settlement. Um.

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>But but what a lot of people have said about

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the recent patent wars is that the patent system needs

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>to create an incentive for patent holders to license their

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>ideas for royalties, which is exactly what hal was doing

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>back in this day. Yeah. I mean he really saw

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:40.919
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of like, hey, it would be a pain,

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>and that took us for me to set up my

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>own manufacturing plant and be churning these out. But all

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.839
<v Speaker 1>these people are already set up. I can just cut

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>deals with them. Everybody wins. Yeah, except not so much. No, No,

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I got I got ugly again. Apparently Singer was not done. Yeah,

0:41:56.239 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>he didn't settle, and so that case dragged on. Yeah,

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 1>and it got ugly in public. To write, you got

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>this great little story about to to advertisements that ran

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>on the same page of the New York Daily Tribune

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that tell very different stories. Yeah, the first one reads

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the sewing machine. It has been recently decided by the

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>United States Court that Elias how Jr. Of Number three

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.240
<v Speaker 1>zero five Broadway was the originator of the sewing machine

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>now extensively used. Call at his office and see forty

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of them in constant use upon cloth, leather, etcetera, and

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>judge for yourselves as to their practicality. Also see a

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>certified copy from the records of the United States Court

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of the injunction against Singers machine so called, which is conclusive.

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>You that want sewing machines, be cautious how you purchased

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>them of others than him or those licensed under him.

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Else the law will compel you to pay twice over. Meanwhile,

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we have the other advertisement sewing machines. For the last

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>two years, Alias how Junior of Massachusetts, has been threatening

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 1>suits and injunctions against all the world who make, use

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 1>or sells sewing machines. We have sold many machines, are

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.479
<v Speaker 1>selling them rapidly, and have good right to sell them.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 1>The public do not acknowledge Mr Howe's pretensions, and for

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the best reasons. One machines made according to House patent

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>are of no practical use. He tried several years without

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>being able to introduce one too. It is notorious, especially

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in New York, that how was not the original inventor

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of the machine combining the needle and shuttle and that

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>his claim to that is not valid. Finally, we make

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 1>and sell the best sewing machines. So yeah, there's um,

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>there's some vitriolic I love how It's it's like a

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.839
<v Speaker 1>sewing machine telenovelo. There's a lot of soap opera going

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>on here. And to make it even more soap opera ish,

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>How went after Singer for libel. But he also went

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>after the New York Daily Tribune for printing his advertisement

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.919
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. So we now have How going

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>after Singer both for patent infringement and reliabel. Yeah, fantastic,

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 1>just to make their relationship that much more delightful and huggy.

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So at this point Singer, Singer wakes up and just says,

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know you were right. I was wrong.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:23.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna be the bigger man walk away right,

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>not even a little. He instead just kind of goes

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 1>into a rage suitable to be played only by Daniel

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>day Lewis. Decides he's going to destroy How so this

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>is butcher Bill totally totally. He decides he is going

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to seek out every scrap of evidence on earth. He

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 1>even sought out sources in Europe and China, to prove

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that house design was not original. Uh. And the key

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>here is that the wording in house patent was really

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>his protection because he had patented the combination of the

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.280
<v Speaker 1>shuttle and the one I and the I pointed needle

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and how they would work together. But he never claimed

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to have invented either of those elements, and so his

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>patent remained accurate and correct and not infringing on anyone

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 1>else because he didn't say I invented the needle invent

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>at the shuttle. He said I invented this combination of

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>these two elements that work in this particular way. Correct,

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>and that is completely valid patent law. So again, if

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you come up with a new way to use existing

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>technology that you you can claim as an improvement over others,

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing stopping you from getting a patent on that. Yeah,

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you can patent an interaction of things. They don't have

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to be physical things necessarily. Uh. However, if you remember

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>back when we talked about Walter Hunt, who was the

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>guy who invented a pretty workable sewing machine but then

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of sold it off and abandoned it, he never

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he never patented his particular idea. Singer found him of course,

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.360
<v Speaker 1>because he thought that was his best shot at bringing

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 1>How down and showing that How is not, in fact

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the first person to invent a working so machine. So

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:06.879
<v Speaker 1>he I guess he just wanted to retroactively magically get

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 1>a precursor patent that couldn't have existed because William Hunt

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.959
<v Speaker 1>never patented his detention. That is exactly what he tried

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to do. So this this reminds me. I mean, there

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>there are entire books written about some of the more

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.320
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous things that have happened in patent law around the world,

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but particularly in the United States. So another good example

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 1>of some shenanigans that went on with patents involves Tesla

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and Radio because Tesla was awarded the patent the United

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>States UH the same year that Marconi actually filed for

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>a patent. In fact, he received the patent a month

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>before or two months before Marconi had filed for a

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.919
<v Speaker 1>patent in the US, and then famously, several years later

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the Patent office awarded they went back on their decision,

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>took the patent away from Tesla and awarded it to Marconi.

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>So even though that happens later, you know this this

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the events we're talking about here are earlier in the timeline.

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not unusual for us to see these kind of

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy political dealings. Yeah, and again remember, uh, you know,

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't a time when everything was duplicated and there

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.359
<v Speaker 1>was a trail of what had happened, when it would

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>be easy to fudge things. So it's it's reasonable that

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Singer could think that he was going to finagle something

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.240
<v Speaker 1>out of this. So what what happens due to this

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>this claim? Well, first Singer hires an engineer, William Whiting, uh,

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to basically help resurrect Hunt's designs. He's gonna go back

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to those original blueprints and schematics and he's going to

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>build it to prove that this one works and it's

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>great and how you got nothing? Uh? And uh, this

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Scientific American at the time, as this was all bubbling up,

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>actually published a pretty uh scathing article about Hunt, a

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>sting because he was like, oh, yeah, I did invent

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:03.919
<v Speaker 1>the sewing machine. Now that he sees that there's money

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 1>in it, and this is a litigious thing. They basically

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 1>said that his claims were rusty, he didn't he had

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:11.439
<v Speaker 1>no hat in this game, Like what was he trying

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to do? And no legal basis really, but there was

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>a trial with the Patent Office. There were hundreds of

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>pages of testimony. I mean it went on forever. Singer

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 1>dragged everybody in that he could think of that had

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>ever touched anything that vaguely resembled a sewing machine. UM

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Patent Commissioner Charles Mason, though, ruled in favor of Elias

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Howe on eighteen fifty four. And the big part of

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Hunt's loss, even though he really did have a pretty

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>good working machine, was that he didn't do anything to

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>patent it or protected eighteen years prior. So, uh, the

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Patent Office can't can't rule in favor of someone who

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>hasn't actually gone through the process. Yeah. Yeah, The commissioners like,

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 1>what are you trying to do? You didn't you don't

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 1>have these rights. Hunt did try to appeal to the

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Circuit Court of the District of Columbia, but that did

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 1>not go so well either. Mason's ruling was upheld. So

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 1>then how emboldened by this victory, decides to start going

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.760
<v Speaker 1>after other people that he has has perceived as infringing

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.720
<v Speaker 1>against his patents. Yep, everybody that was selling a Singer

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>machine he went after. Wow, that was a lot of people. Yeah,

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>and he asked for preliminary injunctions against all of them

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to shut down sales while they went through their court cases.

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>So he goes through this process, bringing it all the

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 1>way to courts when necessary. Um, and the they what

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.919
<v Speaker 1>happened the poor singer at this point, not not really

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>poor singer because he's kind of a jerk. But but

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>you've got you've got how going after the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are selling singer sewing machines or incorporating them. Then what

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>they're doing instead, you know, they get attacked by how

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<v Speaker 1>they turned around. They attack singers saying, you got us

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<v Speaker 1>into this. Yeah, you had no right to sell us

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<v Speaker 1>the licenses that you sold us because you didn't have

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a right to it. Didn't own the technology that you

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>were licensing to us. And and that's why we're in trouble. Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so litigious. By eighteen fifty four, keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind this started in the eighteen fifty By eighteen fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Singer and how settle their lawsuit and it's announced in

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<v Speaker 1>Scientific American. This is a big deal. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>tiny news. This is like this is just like when

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<v Speaker 1>you go on to Google news and you see like

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<v Speaker 1>Samsung and Apple settle lawsuit. That's that's equivalent. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like it reminds me of when those first

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<v Speaker 1>like headlines were happening about no Steve Jobs and Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Gates actually like each other. It's fine, and it's like

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 1>that level of wait, what we didn't think that's how

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>this worked, except there was very little pushing down of

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 1>stairs in any of them. Right, well, what what's really

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<v Speaker 1>cool about this? Okay, so this didn't end all litigation.

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>There was still some continuing. But by eighteen fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>we get the president of Grover and Baker, which was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the companies involved in the suits, that were, uh,

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that we're involving Elias How, I feel like we should

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<v Speaker 1>back up because we skipped that. People tried to then

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<v Speaker 1>sue how for improving Uh yeah, so How Basically at

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<v Speaker 1>this point was the you know, the czar of the

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machine in industry. He owned the patent to the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest chunk of it and was licensing those out, and

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 1>he thought, well, you know, I could really tweak that

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<v Speaker 1>original design as well. But every tweak he made other

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 1>people claim they had already made. So then he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting sued by people for patent infringement for improving on

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 1>his original design. Okay, so that's a litigation festival. Basically.

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Now you've got people saying, all right, well, these improvements

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you're making, we've already made and we've already patented. So

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>it's become a huge mess. By eighteen fifty six, you

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<v Speaker 1>get the president of Grover and Baker, which was one

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of the companies that was involved in these cases against

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<v Speaker 1>how about these improvements to the original designs and comes

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 1>up with a concept up called the combination, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, these days we would call this a patent pool. Yeah,

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and a patent pool is essentially when you get a

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of different stakeholders who all own different patents

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that are involved in the same general technology to essentially

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.359
<v Speaker 1>come to an agreement saying, all right, we're gonna pull

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>all these patents together, and as long as we are

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.240
<v Speaker 1>all officially part of this group and we all agree

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to operate by these rules, we're not going to sue

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the pants off each other. Whenever we make an improvement

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to that technology or incorporate that technology into our products.

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<v Speaker 1>Make suring that everyone's getting the royalties that they deserve exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the president of Grover and Baker was Orlando B. Potter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he, you know, I feel like he's a person

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>that's not very well known historically, but he really deserves

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of kudos because he was really the first

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>person to go, hey, you guys, we're only hurting ourselves.

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>We're kind of being idiots. And he really established this

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 1>concept of what is now a patent pool. Uh. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, let's stop, you know, holding up everybody's production.

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's stop throwing our money at lawyers. We don't need that.

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>We can work this out. Uh. And so he got

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 1>them all to join their forces. They pulled their patents.

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 1>They made one unified combination patent for sewing machines. How

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 1>initially was not on board with this. Well, now, when

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you own a huge chunk of the landscape, then you

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>feel like you have the most to lose that kind

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of agreement. He definitely felt that way, but eventually he

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>did agree to it. He had made some pretty heavy

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>stipulations and the other parties agreed. Basically, he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get a five dollar royalty on every sewing machine

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that was sold in the US, and for every sewing

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>machine that was exported, he would get a dollar. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this is in eighteen fifty six, so these

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>are not paltry sums. No, this is this is significant money.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the next eleven years between eighteen fifty six,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty seven, when How's Patton expired, he made

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 1>more than two million dollars. And that's two million dollars

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 1>in eight hundreds of money. Yeah, that's way more. But

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:07.799
<v Speaker 1>he would be a kajillionaire. Crazy crazy, I think that

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was accurate estimation there um. And he requested a an

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>extension to that patent, but was denied. Patents do, like

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, expire, and when they expire, you lose

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that exclusivity. You cannot demand licenses for it. That technology,

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 1>that implementation of that technology then belongs to the public,

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 1>so anyone can create any kind of device using that

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of approach um that was originally covered by that

0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:39.360
<v Speaker 1>patent that's now expired. So he doesn't get the extension

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 1>he wanted, and he dies of a broken heart. He

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really die of a broken heart. His heart was

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.799
<v Speaker 1>broken earlier in his life when his wife died, but

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it did not kill him. To the best of our knowledge, However,

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>some say that it did kind of spur his ft

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 1>because he just needed to focus on something else. Um.

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>But Singer of course continue to work his magic in

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the sewing machine industry. And now as a consequence, you know,

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he's really the name we remember more than Alliance. How yeah, yeah,

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you see that name all over. The was exceptional at marketing,

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<v Speaker 1>very much again, kind of like Edison, who was brilliant

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 1>in many ways, and one of the big ones was

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>that he was a very smart businessman and marketer. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is again you can see the parallels with modern

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>patent wars. Everything from the cooperation of various companies to

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:36.720
<v Speaker 1>make sure that business can continue, the arguments that patent

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>litigation harms innovation, that that pat that's sitting on patents

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 1>harms innovation. These are not new ideas. No, you gotta

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 1>look at you know, early to mid nineteenth century and

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you can see it all there as well. So very

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:54.759
<v Speaker 1>interesting that there's so much in common with what we

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<v Speaker 1>see today. That wraps up this classic episode about the

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machine. I hope you and joined it. If you

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