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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: We played in front of five people before, but we've

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Speaker 2: So it's that growth, it's that evolution, and I think

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Speaker 2: that there's an unspoken respect between this band and our

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Music Save Me Podcast, a podcast about

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Speaker 1: the healing power of music. We are proud supporters of

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Speaker 1: Musicians on Call and we urge you to support them

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Speaker 1: by going to Musicians on Call dot org. They're a

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Speaker 1: fantastic organization. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, and today we

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Speaker 1: are fortunate, very fortunate to have an artist who leads

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Speaker 1: a band that makes amazing music and as also someone

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Speaker 1: who has really put his life's challenges out there for

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Speaker 1: the world to see and hear, which I always think

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Speaker 1: is just so amazing. Brent Smith is the founder and

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Speaker 1: lead singer of the rock band Shinedown, who have a

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Speaker 1: new album out called Planet Zero, which is fabulous. It's

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Speaker 1: a really cool way to put out an album with

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Speaker 1: all the It's almost like a throwback to the way

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Speaker 1: albums used to be made, really, because you want to

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Speaker 1: listen from the very beginning all the way to the end. Brent,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: What is happening?

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Speaker 2: It is so nice to meet you, and I am

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Speaker 2: unbelievably honored to be here today.

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Speaker 1: Well, the feeling is mutual. How has music saved you?

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting every day it evolved for me

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Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways. I think that it

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Speaker 2: because I had something to say. But I you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, writing songs and being a musician it was

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Speaker 3: Because you know, it.

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Speaker 2: Was a It's just it's something for me that it

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Speaker 3: You know, what I do as being a singer, a.

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Speaker 2: Songwriter, a performer in this industry that we call the

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Speaker 2: I always knew what I wanted to do because growing

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Speaker 2: in time, you know, And as I was getting older

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Speaker 2: and it's more built around the songs, because I think

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Speaker 2: what have you. But songs, it's there's a message inside

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Speaker 2: of them because there's a lyric. And I think for me,

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Speaker 2: whenever I was dealing with something from a cerebral, you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you do you believe that it has healing powers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one thousand percent, one thousand I've watched it cure cancer.

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Speaker 1: Really, can you give me the short story on that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, the thing is, that's so extraordinary. So

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Speaker 2: our guitar player, Zach Myers, he works with Saint Jude's

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Speaker 2: But going back to your your you know, your question

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Speaker 2: And so music has this very unique way of getting

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Speaker 2: of times people will forget that you have your physical health,

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Speaker 2: up when you're at your lowest point sometimes and you

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Speaker 1: It really helps you through some of the darkest moments. Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people even realize how much music affects

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Speaker 1: it's just on in the background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's astonishing too, how your ear will grab

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Speaker 3: You know, we always talk about how the We talk

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Speaker 2: You know, the universe helps you kind of like gravitate

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Speaker 2: you know, as your journey and your life is evolving,

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Speaker 2: you know, present day, you know, universe put us together today, it.

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Speaker 1: Sure did, you know, And the universe puts your fans

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Speaker 1: they have played a key role in helping lead you

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with the fan base is

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Speaker 2: that the fan base is constantly growing and evolving. We're

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Speaker 2: very proud that the audience from a global standpoint, it's

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Speaker 2: very much eight to eighty. So you know, there are

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Speaker 2: the platform they gave it to us, but that platform

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Speaker 2: they allow us to be ourselves and they allow us

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Speaker 2: to evolve. One of the biggest things that they've done

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Speaker 2: it's true. In Shinedown, we only have one boss. It

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Speaker 2: of that, you know, as we make these records, we're

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Speaker 2: And you know, what records do they like the most?

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Speaker 2: And obviously they're sweet and they say we.

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Speaker 2: But it's also too having that connection with them where

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Speaker 2: sometimes bands will get into that, or not even just bands,

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Speaker 3: It's about all music.

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Speaker 2: So you know, some artists and some bands have a

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Speaker 2: And I can't really speak on that because our audience

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Speaker 2: And that means a great deal when you have a

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Speaker 2: lets you evolve because you don't. We've never we're not

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Speaker 2: and we do our best not to write the same

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Speaker 1: Now, it's interesting that you say that they're very forgiving

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Speaker 1: also writing for a long time and you've been through

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Speaker 1: a lot. How does it make you feel today after

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Speaker 1: all these years, when when your music still really connects

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it makes me feel that I must

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Speaker 2: be doing something right. But again too, I understand the question,

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Speaker 2: But there's also something else I should say that kind

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Speaker 2: you know, all the records, and you know, they they

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Speaker 2: people that were in there sometimes, like back in the day,

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Speaker 2: And now as I talk to you today, though, I

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Speaker 3: So it's that growth, it's that evolution.

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Speaker 2: And I think that there's an unspoken just respect between

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Speaker 2: be proud of being a fan of this band.

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Speaker 1: You're so transparent with this band, with your music, with

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Speaker 1: your life. How are you able to do that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like when you put out an album, it's like

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Speaker 1: birthing a child, and you just put it out there

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Speaker 1: and everyone listens to it. Here's it watches your music

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Speaker 1: videos and you really don't have a choice but to

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Speaker 1: be judged. It's a difficult thing for most people to

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Speaker 1: share things like that. How are you able to do that?

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Speaker 3: I asked for it. I asked for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so unbelievably lucky. That from the moment

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Speaker 2: who is still alive, she is such a profound influence

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Speaker 2: always like, find something that you love, and you're never

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Speaker 3: Now. Don't get me wrong. I work really really hard.

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Speaker 1: Well, it takes one to know one A and B.

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Speaker 1: I smell a collaborative something in the future with you too.

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Speaker 1: Heard it here first. I was always wanted to say that.

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Speaker 2: just nothing but love and light and intense.

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Speaker 3: And me and Jacoby have always looked at it.

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Speaker 2: We welcome that healthy competition when when you're on tour

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Speaker 2: together like bring your a game. We love that because,

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Speaker 2: like it's so much better for the audience because they're

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00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: getting you know, it's a mutual love and respect for

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Speaker 2: each other, but it's a healthy competition with each other

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Speaker 2: and it makes you better. With Spirit Box too, I've

448
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: just been a fan for the last five years. I

449
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: found out about them about five years ago and today

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Speaker 2: actually I saw.

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of them as well.

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Speaker 2: They's got nominated for a Grammy, which is amazing, and

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Speaker 2: we just being able to bring them out on the road.

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Speaker 3: And that's the other thing too, like we shined down.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to be put in a box from

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Speaker 2: any aspect of who we are as a band.

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Speaker 3: You know, you should look at all the lanes.

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Speaker 2: And welcome the diversity in that with different types of

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Speaker 2: you know, musicianship different types of music, different types of

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Speaker 2: musicians and just different artists. You know, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to just stick to one particular genre when you're out

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Speaker 2: there and just letting people know that the community is

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Speaker 2: very open and we just want to celebrate, you know,

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Speaker 2: the human spirit and bringing people together.

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Speaker 3: That's probably the best. I hope that answered your question.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that lift us up out there,

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Speaker 2: but the most recent definitely the Spirit Box and the

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Speaker 2: popa Roach tour that we just finished it.

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Speaker 3: We had a blast.

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Speaker 1: Now, as someone whose face struggles, what do you want

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Speaker 1: those listening as we wrap things up to know about

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Speaker 1: those who are struggling from someone who has gone through

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Speaker 1: what you've gone through? What do you want Let me

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Speaker 1: try to rephrase that properly.

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Speaker 3: No, I know what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Good to make sure that your eyes and your ears

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Speaker 2: are open at all times, or just the make sure

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Speaker 2: that you you're being open minded not only for yourself

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Speaker 2: as you're on your journey, but the people that are

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Speaker 2: around you as well, the people that you love, your friends,

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Speaker 2: your family, and even total strangers.

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Speaker 3: I know that's going to sound.

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Speaker 2: A little odd, but again, you have to remember that

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Speaker 2: your mental health is just as important as your physical health.

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Speaker 2: And what I would say to people is, if you

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Speaker 2: yourself are dealing with thoughts, that you've never had before,

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Speaker 2: and it's coming from a dark place.

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Speaker 3: Number one understands something.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with you, like, you're evolving, you're growing,

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Speaker 2: and it can be scary and it can be a

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Speaker 2: difficult thing to kind of navigate, especially if you're having

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Speaker 2: feelings that.

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Speaker 3: You never had before.

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Speaker 2: But inside of that, do not feel ashamed or embarrassed

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Speaker 2: to ask for help. There are places that you can

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Speaker 2: go through. There organizations that can help you. Again, you

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Speaker 2: know a little bit more on the heavier subject matter,

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Speaker 2: but you know, one of the most incredible organizations on

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Speaker 2: the planet is the AFSP. They're a real organization that

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Speaker 2: knows how to help people get people the tools that

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Speaker 2: they need when it comes to mental health. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that I would say is just in general, if

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Speaker 2: you notice somebody that's close to you or in your

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Speaker 2: family or a friend of yours, and you can tell

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Speaker 2: that something is a bit off or maybe something has

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Speaker 2: changed behind the eyes, the worst thing you can do

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Speaker 2: is be quiet and not say something to them. And

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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: it's okay to go up to them and be like, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure what's going on, but

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Speaker 2: you can talk to me.

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Speaker 3: And if I can't help you.

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Speaker 2: I will find someone that can, you know, and I'll

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00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: we'll do it together. But just remember that because and

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00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: even if you see a total stranger sometimes and you

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00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: can tell something off, something's off, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit more ambitious, but going up to that

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Speaker 2: person and saying, hey, I don't know you, but are

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Speaker 2: you okay? Because I know people that have done that before,

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00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: and the response from total strangers sometimes it's just they

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: look at them and they're in awe that somebody just

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Speaker 2: took the time to add if they were okay today,

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00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: And because you could potentially save someone's life. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's what you got to remember is don't don't

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Speaker 2: be quiet. And on both sides, if you notice something

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00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: with someone, say something to them. And if you yourself

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00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: are just you're having a rough go at it, don't

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00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: don't stay quiet. Tell somebody that you need to talk

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Speaker 2: to somebody.

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Speaker 1: Just incredible, incredible advice, beautiful advice. And one thing I

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Speaker 1: could add to that is don't worry. It's all a

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00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: symptom of being human. There you go, amazing song. Now

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Speaker 1: put that on right now. If you're feeling like that,

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00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: it will it will change you. A beautiful song. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: rin I don't I could talk to you for hours.

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Speaker 1: We don't have that time, so I just want to

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your insight, for your time

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Speaker 1: and inspiration and your music, and thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Music saved me.

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Speaker 2: It's my absolute pleasure. I am happy to talk to

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Speaker 2: you anytime. I look forward to seeing you face to

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Speaker 2: face in the future. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Me too, me too, Thank you.