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Speaker 1: back to our Purpose, the number one a health podcast

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Speaker 1: to develop. Is something that the more you think of it,

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Speaker 1: the more you build it into your routine in life,

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Speaker 1: the more real it becomes because it's something that has

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00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: to be practiced and lived on a daily basis. It's

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Speaker 1: not just an idea or something that happens mentally. What

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Speaker 1: would you think about that if you think of hope

434
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: as a habit as well as a survival trait, well,

435
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: I guess you could say it's a habit. But I

436
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: mean the thing is once you once you start take

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00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean all these people who who become totally depressed,

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: sometimes even suicidal because they look around at the problems

439
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: of the world, and my goodness, it's terrible. I mean

440
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: not You cannot not be depressed if you look around

441
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: at the problems of the world. That's why you know

442
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: the messages. Don't think globally, at locally. At locally. First

443
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: see that you can make a difference. And when you

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00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: see that you make a difference, you want to do more.

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00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: And so taking that first step, it gives you hope

446
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: that your actions do make a difference, and then you

447
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: want to do more. And as you do more, it's

448
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: like a feedback loop and you inspire others to join you.

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00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: And as you see others making a difference, that increases

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Speaker 1: your hope. And so it's spirals like that, and that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening with the young people in our Roots and

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Speaker 1: Shoots program. I think, yeah, I would love to have

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Speaker 1: an experience with the Roots and Shoots program. It sounds

454
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: so exciting and inspiring. I think it would be wonderful

455
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: to get to be involved and get to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it, to really see it firsthand. I think

457
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: there's such a joy that comes from actually being involved

458
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: and getting your AND's dirty. There's times in seeing it

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Speaker 1: for yourself. So I'm wondering Jean. You know, obviously you

460
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: have such an abundant optimism, you have such a great

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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: strength in you and resilience from everything you've been. And

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, was there ever a time when someone or

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Speaker 1: something and I loved what you said earlier day, someone

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Speaker 1: made you angry? And I'm thinking, was there ever a

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Speaker 1: time where something that happened in the world or someone

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Speaker 1: or something in nature made you lose hope or being

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Speaker 1: close to losing hope? And I want to know how

468
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Speaker 1: you got it back, because I feel like a lot

469
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: of people are on that cusp of they're just about

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Speaker 1: to lose hope and they just need to grab hold

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Speaker 1: of it again. You know, I've experienced deeg depression, and

472
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, for example, I spent time in a small

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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: wooded area quite close to here and heard the birds.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why it was there, but I was.

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Speaker 1: And two years later it was yet another shopping mall.

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Speaker 1: I was angry, but first of all, I was really depressed.

477
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: I was sad. I sat there and felt like crying,

478
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: but then that sadness turned to anger. How dare they

479
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: do that? Well? I can't save this place now, but

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00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: there are other places like this that I can try

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Speaker 1: to save or inspire people living there, encourage them to

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Speaker 1: do what they can to save it before it's too late.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's the way I'm made. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very obstinate and like one of these dolls, you know,

485
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: these dolls with loaded bases and you knock them over

486
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Speaker 1: and they jump up. That's how I am like one

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Speaker 1: of them. I don't know what you call them, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like one of those dolls. I will not be

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Speaker 1: pushed down by anyone. I will bounce up. But just

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00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: the way I'm made. Yeah, I love that. I think

491
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: that's beautiful and I think I do believe that's the

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Speaker 1: only way we can learn to live. We need we

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Speaker 1: all need to learn to be that way because it's

494
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Speaker 1: you know, as we know, life's going to keep knocking

495
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: us down and we have to get back up and

496
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: we need that resilience, we need that strength. So I

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: love that. You know, the book mentions four components for

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Speaker 1: hope and making it sustainable and it's goals, pathways, confidence,

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Speaker 1: and support, and I wanted to hear about a few

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00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: of them that you see and you know you said

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Speaker 1: and the conversation you're having. The researchers call it the

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Speaker 1: hope cycle. What kind of goals should we have at

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Speaker 1: this time? What do you think? What goals do you

504
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: feel of realistic but also ambitious enough for us to

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Speaker 1: have at this time. You can't be passionate about everything,

506
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Speaker 1: but that's enough of us. That's one of the only

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Speaker 1: benefit I couldn't see in the number of people on

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Speaker 1: the planet was enough people to tackle all the different problems,

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00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, because nobody can tackle everything. So with our

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00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: groups of roots and tuts, for example, you find every

511
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Speaker 1: group for us, kids who are passionate about helping animals,

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Speaker 1: someone to help people, someone to help the environment. And

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00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: so if you choose something you're really passionate about and

514
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: you see that you can make a difference. You know,

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Speaker 1: that leads to this whole feedback system of hope. So

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Speaker 1: I don't quite know what else I can say about Now,

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Speaker 1: that's a beautiful example. No, I love that. Thank you

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00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: so much for sharing that. Again. I think that's just

519
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: a great reminder of recognizing that you don't have to

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00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: change everything, and you can't change everything, but there maybe

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Speaker 1: your passion is going to bring you towards a particular

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Speaker 1: area of impact. Or a pain that you see is

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Speaker 1: going to bring you to a particular are of impact.

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Speaker 1: Often it's what inspires us and sometimes it's what hurts

525
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: us that makes us want to take action. And so

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00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful answer, and I just wanted

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00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: to remind people of that. Sometimes as we were discussing,

528
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: so many people will be thinking so overwhelmed. There's so

529
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Speaker 1: many things that the world needs help with. There's you know, nature,

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00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: there's animals, there's cancer, there's and so knowing that people

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00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: can just start with what is deeply important to them, yes,

532
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: that's the way to start. Because then that's why Roots

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00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: and Choots is working so well, because the kids, they're

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00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: passionate about what they do because they chose it. We

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00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: don't tell them what to do. And so Roots and

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Speaker 1: Choots group will choose different projects, whether they're in the

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Speaker 1: city or rural area, rich or poor, whether they're in

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00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Indian Pakistan, whether they're in Africa or Florida or New York.

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00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: They're going to choose the projects that are important to

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Speaker 1: them where they live. And so I think it's because

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00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a not a top down but the

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00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: bottom up program that it's spreading around the world. Yes, yes, truly,

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00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: truly making a difference. And the thing is that these

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Speaker 1: three projects animals, people, environment, that every group must choose

545
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: between them, they all share the result of their products,

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: and therefore begin to understand how everything is interrelated. You know.

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00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: I learned that in the rainforest, every species has a

548
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: role to play in this beautiful tapestry of life. And

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Speaker 1: I see it as when one species disappears from an ecosystem,

550
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Speaker 1: it's like pulling a thread from that beautiful tapestry, and

551
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: as enough threads are pull that ecosystem, that tapestry will

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Speaker 1: hang in tatters and the ecosystem will collapse. Oh that's

553
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: such a great metaphor and analogy for us to visually.

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00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: I could visualize that as you are describing it. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I observed in nature that

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00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I love so much is that every part of nature

557
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: is always serving. So the trees are providing shade, they're

558
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: providing fruits and flowers, the water is moving and providing,

559
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: the sun is providing heat and warmth and light, and

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00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: every aspect of nature is always in service to others.

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00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: And it seems that the only part of nature that

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00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: is not in service is often us as humans and

563
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: people where we're trying to serve ourselves versus serve and

564
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: give and provide and share. And you talk about this

565
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: beautiful point about you know, the reasons for hope, and

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Speaker 1: one of them you give is the human intellect. And

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00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: we've all heard that it's our minds that separates from animals.

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00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: But in your book you mentioned that great apes can

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Speaker 1: learn four hundred or more words of American sign language,

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Speaker 1: workout complex problems on a computer, and like some animals

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, I think, including I think it's pigs. I

572
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: love painting and drawing. You mentioned the octopus. Yes, exactly, exactly,

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00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: And so if animals are smarter than most people give

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: them credit for, what is it truly that sets us

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Speaker 1: apart when you use the human intellect as a reason

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Speaker 1: for hope, Well, the human intellect differs from that of

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Speaker 1: all other animals chimpanzees, than everybody else to the links

578
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: to which it's gone, like, there's no animal, no matter

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Speaker 1: how intelligent, on the planet today, that could design a

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00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: rocket that goes up to Mars, launches a little robot

581
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: that goes around taking photographs. That is out of the category,

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Speaker 1: out of the league of animal intellect. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: way we're talking now is an example of human intellect.

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: There's intellect the zooms of the podcasts and all the

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00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: things that we do. It's just amazing. And I believe

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00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: that that was at least in part triggered by the

587
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: fact that at some point in our evolution we developed

588
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: this way of communicating as we are now with words.

589
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: So with words, you and I can send our message

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00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: to people and teach them something they never thought of before.

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00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: We can teach our children about things going on in

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Speaker 1: other countries. Chimpanzees can't do that. Their children learn by observing,

593
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: but we can use words, and we can bring people

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00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: together to have discussions, to try and solve problems. People

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00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: with different outlooks on different different jobs, different skills. So

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00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: that's the difference. And this is why it's so bizarre

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00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: that we're destroying our only home. We don't want to

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00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: live on Mars. We know that now, and I think

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00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: it's a disconnect between this clever, clever brain and as

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I said before, the human heart, love and compassion, And honestly,

601
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: I truly truly believe it's only when head and heart

602
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: work in harmony that we can achieve our true human potential,

603
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: which some people have. Yes, I think that I that

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00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: was so wonderfully shared. I I really believe that our

605
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: intellect and our intention have been disconnected, and so the

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00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: intellect is not being guided by or directed by intention.

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00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: It's being free to do whatever it needs to creed

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00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: to feel sense gratified, and to feel self you know,

609
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: self obsession almost freedom to that point, and their love

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00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: and compassion you're speaking about is such an intentionality with

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00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: how we use this intellect that we've been gifted with. Yeah, yeah,

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00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean it was Maha mc gandhi who said the

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00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: planet can produce for human need, but not human freed. Yeah.

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00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: You know, we need a new definition of success because

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: at the moment, if you talk to most kids, what's

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Speaker 1: a successful person, Oh, somebody who's making a lot of money,

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00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: or maybe somebody who's got a lot of power. And

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00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: that's the way we think about success. To me, success

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Speaker 1: is about having enough that you can feed yourself and

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: your family. You can perhaps go for a nice holiday

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Speaker 1: that you can enjoy spending time in nature and with

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Speaker 1: your family and people just you know. They did an

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Speaker 1: experiment where they followed different immigrant families who all arrived

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Speaker 1: the same with a wife and a kid and nothing.

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00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: And part of the group they managed to get jobs,

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00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: and they managed to find somewhere to live, and then

627
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: they upgraded it. They got a little house, they could

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00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: send their kids to school. And there's this King of

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Uturn's happiness index. And as this happened, whatever that index

630
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: is went up. The next group, they in the same way,

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00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: started to improve their lives. But when they got to

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00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: that level where the first group stopped, they went on.

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00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: They wanted more, they wanted more money, they wanted more power,

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00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: more well, more houses, and they succeeded, but the happiness

635
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: level dropped. And I love that experiment because they're true.

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Speaker 1: A lot of very wealthy people aren't happy people. Absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think when I love that you shared that study.

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Speaker 1: And I've also found that when someone's intention for more

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Speaker 1: is so that they can do more service, whether it

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00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: be financial, whether it be growth in any area of life,

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Speaker 1: it becomes actually very beautiful. We see so many, so

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Speaker 1: much incredible work happening with the world when people use

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Speaker 1: their platforms for a higher purpose. As you see, like, yeah,

644
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: people who have achieved great things and wonderful things and

645
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: they're using that power or that influence or that money

646
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: to have a change in people's lives and for the

647
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: environment as opposed to themselves only, as you rightly said.

648
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: And I think about that is something that's so needed

649
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: as well, to encourage young people to say, hey, if

650
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Speaker 1: you want to go and be successful, and you want

651
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: to go and do this, do it, but do it

652
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: in an intentional way, to use it as a way

653
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: to serve. Do it with that in mind, that you

654
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: don't want to harm the environment, and you want to

655
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: improve the lives for people and animals. And I think

656
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: if we could train people to not shy away from success,

657
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: but like you said, redefine success and use success for

658
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: something greater than success itself, then that to me feels

659
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: like a hopeful environment and world to live in. It's

660
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: quite true, you know. When I'm giving lectures, I always

661
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: say that we all need money to live. It goes

662
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: wrong unless we live for money, unless, yes, we live

663
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: for money in order to help make the world a

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Speaker 1: better place. And then I always make everybody laugh because

665
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: I pause and I say, like, giving some money to

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Speaker 1: the Jane Goodall Institute. That's brilliant. I love that that

667
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: is so good. That is such a beautiful statement, though,

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00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: could you repeat the full statement for us again because

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Speaker 1: it was so perfect and I was taking it in

670
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: that I want everyone else to hear it. I want

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00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: ever enough to hear it again. Okay, So I tell

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00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: people that, you know, we all need money to live,

673
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: and it tends to go wrong when we live for

674
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: money unless we live for money in order to use

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00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: that money to make the world better for animals, people environment,

676
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: like giving some funds to the Jane Goodall Institute. I

677
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: was holding back my laugh to Visnu was coming. I

678
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: love that's that's brilliant. But it's such a it's such

679
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: a profound statement, and it is such a wonderful way.

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00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: And I think that idea of engaging whatever gifts we have,

681
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: whatever wonderful opportunities we've been given, to engage them back

682
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: into the service. We had this beautiful practice Jane that

683
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: I think, I think you'd appreciate from what you just said.

684
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: When we would in India, it's common to bathe in

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00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: holy rivers, whether it's the Ganges, the Yamuna, the Cavary,

686
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: many holy rivers and whenever we would as monks made

687
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: in these rivers, the practice would be that we would

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00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: first scoop out water into our hands as much as

689
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: we could have, and then we would pour it back

690
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: into the river. And the purpose of this exercise was

691
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: to show us that whatever we were doing, we were

692
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: just scooping from the source and giving back to the source.

693
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: And the idea that any gifts you have, anything that

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00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you hold in your life, you want to engage it

695
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: back into the environment. So we take from the environment,

696
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: but then we give it back. And the amount we

697
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: take can ever be as much as the environment gives

698
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: to us an offers to us. And it was it

699
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: was just always a beautiful ritual that that made me

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00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: remember that you're only here to serve. You're only a steward,

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00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: You're you're only a you're only a housekeeper. You know,

702
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: you're not a It's it's not a it's not your

703
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: home in that sense. It's it's your home, but it's yeah,

704
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: it's not your you're not the owner. It's your home,

705
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: but you're not the owner. That's right, And that's why,

706
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 1: that's why you must feel so sad about the way

707
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: some of these Holy rivers are being polluted. And that absolutely, absolutely, yeah,

708
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. Isn't it. It is. It's really painful to watch.

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00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been trying in my own way,

710
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: with the with the organizations I work with to try

711
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: and be a part of that. But yeah, it's it's

712
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: becoming very difficult. Like you said, though, we don't lose

713
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: hope because we may not be able to impact this

714
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: one place, but there's another place where that's happening. And

715
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: I love that you said that. I think that's such

716
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: a We often get so attached to who we help

717
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: and how we help, and and I think real love

718
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: and real compassion is I want to help anyone who

719
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: needs it, and everyone who needs I'm able to. I'm

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00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: able to see that even though this is what I

721
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: see as valuable, if I can't impact that, I can

722
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I can create some value over here. I think that's

723
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: a beautiful reminder. In case you didn't know, we have

724
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: just started at two in good Old Institute in India,

725
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: which is registered as an Engino with roots and spreading

726
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: all over India. Wow, you know, hundreds of young people

727
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: wanting to help in this fight to restore rivers and

728
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: things like that. I just thought you might like to

729
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I am I love hearing that. I

730
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: think on my next visit there as well, i'd love

731
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: to experience that sounds sounds amazing. The second reason you

732
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: give for hope now, and I love these reasons. I

733
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: think they were so powerful is the resilience of nature,

734
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and one in particular, one story really stands out. And

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00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to shore with my community today

736
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: about the Survivor tree. If you were happy enough to

737
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: share that, I think it would be wonderful for them

738
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: to hear. I happened to be in New York when

739
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: the suicide bombers flew into the Twin Towers, and it

740
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: was terrible. It was terrible being there. You know, everything

741
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: went quiet and you could only hear police cars and

742
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: ambulance sirens, and it was, you know, this total devastation

743
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: and that it was horrible. It was horrible. Well, it

744
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: turned out that when they were clearing the rubble, it

745
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: was about two weeks after the towers fell. This young

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00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: woman actually she saw the remains of a tree on

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00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: a truck and I don't know how she persuaded the

748
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: truck driver, but anyway, she said, but this tree isn't dead. Oh,

749
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: he was going to put it on a dumpster and

750
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: destroy it. So anyway, she managed to get the tree

751
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: to a botanical garden and they nurtured and nurtured. All

752
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: that was left was one big root and one trunk

753
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: with one branch. That's all that was left. But they

754
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: nurtured it, nurtured it, nurtured it, planted it back on

755
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: the site where the towers fell. And now it's a

756
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: calorie pear, not a pear tree, but a calorie pear.

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00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: And in the spring it's big, now has these beautiful blossoms.

758
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: And so I was I had a group of my

759
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: young roots and shoots people around on International Peace Day

760
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: and the tree was shedding its leaves because it was autumn.

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00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: And so when I looked up into these branches, looked

762
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: past this great black fissure, which is, you know, where

763
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: the tree amazingly mended itself, and there was the nest

764
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: of above but obviously have fledged and flown. And that

765
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: was like the tree itself has survived the most horrendous

766
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: attack and it's put out leaves and it's beautiful and

767
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: it's nurtured another life form where the babies have fledged

768
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: and flown out into the world. I just it was

769
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: so wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, what a wonderful story. I'm so

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00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: glad you shared that with us. Thank you. And you know,

771
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: to hear about such devastation, you know you would you

772
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: could never imagine that something could recover from that, but

773
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: it did with some nurturing, with some love, with some attention.

774
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: And the third and fourth reason you share with us,

775
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: which we've spoken about a lot today, and I would

776
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: love for everyone to get the book to read more

777
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: about one and two, but three and four as well.

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00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Three is all about empowering young people. In four is

779
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: about that human spirit. So anyone who's listening and watching

780
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: right now and you're loving these stories and the examples,

781
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: and you're being filled with hope. I really hope everyone

782
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: who's listening and watching your body, your mind, your soul,

783
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: your heart and being filled with hope. And I promise you,

784
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: if you read this book, you will immerse yourself in hope.

785
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: And I think hope needs to be an immersion. It

786
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: needs to be a absorption in hope for us to

787
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: really feel its benefits. Just like this tree receives such

788
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: care and attention, you need that care and attention, and

789
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: we need to give that care and attention to ourselves.

790
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: In the last part of the book, you talk about

791
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: becoming a messenger of hope, and I think often when

792
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: we become messages of hope, people can say, oh, you know,

793
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: stop being so positive and you know, you're just always

794
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: trying to find the silver lining, and there could be

795
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: a lot of skepticism and cynicism around hope, unfortunately, because

796
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: we've created a world that amplifies negativity, as you said earlier,

797
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: with what we see on TV and the news. If

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00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: someone's listening and they're like, Jane, I want to become

799
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: a mess senger of hope. What's something that they could

800
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: do today for themselves or practically, Jane, that you think

801
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: will help them continue that desire to become a messenger

802
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: an ambassador of hope. You know, the first thing is

803
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: to really think in your mind, what do I really

804
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: care about? Okay, I really care about the way stray

805
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: dogs are treated some countries, stones are thrown at them.

806
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: I want to help. What can I do? And then

807
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: you find that you can volunteer and a shelter, or

808
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: you can adopt a little puppy or something like that,

809
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: And that first step gives you a feeling of what

810
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: it's like to be helpful because you've made a difference.

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00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: It's going to be different for everybody, and all you

812
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: need to be a messenger of hope is to feel

813
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: hopeful and to be able to tell stories. Stories. It's

814
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: no good talking in statistics and all that kind of

815
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: stuff because nobody remembers. But stories like the ones that

816
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: you asked me to share, people, even if they get

817
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: the details wrong, they remember the message. And so I

818
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: think messengers of hope need to be storytellers. They need

819
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: to have experienced the joy of doing something and seeing

820
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: that you've made a difference, and the even greater joy

821
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: of seeing that you've inspired others to get that same

822
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: feeling by taking action and making a difference. Yes, yes, absolutely,

823
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I love that answer, and I couldn't agree with you. More.

824
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: Stories define us and they define how we feel, and

825
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: they're the stories that resonate with our heart and statistics again,

826
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: like you said, statistics talk to our head, but stories

827
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: deal with our hearts. So, as you said, the head

828
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: and heart alignment, I think that's a beautiful reminder for

829
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: all of our messages of hope. Jane, you've been so

830
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: generous and kind and wonderful with your time. I couldn't

831
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: encourage people more to go and grab a copy of

832
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: the book. We'll have the link in all of the captions.

833
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: You can order it. If today's conversation has touched you,

834
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: I promise you the conversation in the book will truly,

835
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: truly help you, and it will help you become a

836
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: hopeful messenger, and help you with your children and make

837
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: them hopeful messengers and people around you in the world.

838
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: And we need more hope in the world. It's the

839
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: thing that we need most of right now. But Jane,

840
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: we end every episode with a final five, which are

841
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: a fast five where you have to answer every question

842
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: in one word to one sentence maximum. So we're about

843
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: to do that. But before we do that, I just

844
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: thought of something. Actually, I was asked CBS is doing

845
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: a primetime show called The Activist, and I was asked

846
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: to be a guest judged the other day. And the

847
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: three areas they chose our education, healthcare, and the environment,

848
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: and they're encouraging people to come up with ideas and

849
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: they're going to be funding them. And I believe the

850
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: final meeting is with Leonardo DiCaprio, who's going to be

851
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: really encouraging the ideas to move forward. I wanted to

852
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: ask you when you think when you see all these

853
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: things happening today in the mainstream, shows people such as

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Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio being so forward thinking about the environment, does

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Speaker 1: that give you hope? How do you feel about those

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Speaker 1: aspects outside where people are taking action? Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course it gives you hope because people

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Speaker 1: like Leonardo DiCaprio and to Lena Jolie, Dave Matthews. People

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Speaker 1: listen to them, and they're people I probably couldn't reach.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the fact that they're out there and

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Speaker 1: inspiring people and giving them hope, of course it reinforces

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Speaker 1: my own hope that we are getting there, that together

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Speaker 1: we can make a difference, and together we will. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful. I love that. Okay, we're going to move

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Speaker 1: into the final five one word to one sentence maximum

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Speaker 1: for each of these. Jane, are you ready for your

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Speaker 1: fast five? Well, I'm no good at this, but go on.

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Speaker 1: You can end up making a fool of me. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I made a fool of not at all, Not at all.

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Speaker 1: That is not my intention. Okay. So the first question

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Speaker 1: is what is the best advice you've ever received. The

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Speaker 1: best advice I've ever received was from my mother when

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Speaker 1: she said, if you really want to do something, work hard,

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Speaker 1: take advantage of opportunity, and don't give up. What is

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Speaker 1: the worst advice you've ever received. You can't make a difference,

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Speaker 1: so don't bother. Great answer, Okay. Question number three, what's

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Speaker 1: the first thing you do in the morning and the

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00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: last thing you do at night? Try and get out

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Speaker 1: of bed to face another day of podcasts and web

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Speaker 1: ours and those things. The last thing I do watch

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00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: some absolutely mindless and non intellectual something on TV or

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00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: an audio book or something like that take my mind

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Speaker 1: away from all the horror of the day. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Question number four, what's the biggest lesson you've learned in

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Speaker 1: the last twelve months? Patience? Wonderful and fifth and final question,

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Speaker 1: if you could create one law that everyone in the

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Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be? The law

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Speaker 1: that is shared by every single major religion? Do unto

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Speaker 1: others as you would have them do to you. Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much everyone in the Book of Hope.

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Speaker 1: Janiro We are so grateful for your time and energy.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to share this with millions of people

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Speaker 1: in our community that listen every single week, and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for more people to read the Survival Guide

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Speaker 1: for Trying Times, which is so needed right now. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I hope this wasn't too

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Speaker 1: much of a stressful podcast journey that you have to

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Speaker 1: get away from that. I'm really really honored to have

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Speaker 1: spoken to you, Jane, and I look forward to meeting

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Speaker 1: you so thank you so much. Yep, well, I've had

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Speaker 1: a wonderful talk with you. It wasn't stressful at all.

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Speaker 1: It was fun and it'spirational and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: meeting you as well. Thank you so much.