Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, January sixteenth, and only
Speaker 1: four US presidents in history have ever won the Nobel
Speaker 1: Peace Prize. But as of this morning, five presidents have
Speaker 1: a Nobel Peace Prize. And with that, welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. This no shit Sherlock episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Okay, I saw this one coming.
Speaker 1: I want to take credit and say we called it,
Speaker 1: but everybody should have called this.
Speaker 2: You called it.
Speaker 1: Everybody should have called it.
Speaker 2: Took more than one minute. You just were off on
Speaker 2: your timing.
Speaker 3: But maybe it didn't though we just found out about
Speaker 3: it a few hours after the fact. Maybe it was
Speaker 3: within the first minute, so I stand corrected, or at
Speaker 3: least I don't know. But you mentioned how many presidents
Speaker 3: have received this honor?
Speaker 2: How many of them have been gifted this honor.
Speaker 3: President Trump is likely the only person who has been
Speaker 3: given the Nobel Peace Prize from someone other than a
Speaker 3: Norwegian institution.
Speaker 1: She dropped it off, she came, she came bearing gifts.
Speaker 1: The current Nobel Prize Laureate brought her physical Nobel Prize
Speaker 1: medal to the White House, and she gave it to
Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump yesterday.
Speaker 2: Do you think there were strings attached.
Speaker 1: They were understood strings, even if they weren't fully articulated
Speaker 1: or written down. I think obviously we know what's going
Speaker 1: on here. She wants power in Venezuela. There's another group
Speaker 1: already that wants to hold on to power. You essentially
Speaker 1: have two women now in President Trump's ears saying gimme, gimme, gimme,
Speaker 1: and they want his support. He is being wooed in
Speaker 1: some ways now publicly and who knows how much privately.
Speaker 1: But yes, she yes, she knows what she's doing and
Speaker 1: playing this carefully. So we talked about it. She is
Speaker 1: the opposition leader, yes, in Venezuela that many people felt
Speaker 1: should be in power right now. She tried to run
Speaker 1: in two thousand and twenty three, twenty twenty three, the election.
Speaker 1: Within twenty twenty four, she was essentially forced to quit
Speaker 1: that race. Has been in hiding. This woman has been
Speaker 1: in hiding over her safety and won a Nobel prize
Speaker 1: and gave it away.
Speaker 2: Think about this. She won a Nobel Prize.
Speaker 3: That she was too unsafe to actually physically personally accept.
Speaker 3: She was in Oslo, but her daughter had to accept
Speaker 3: the award for her.
Speaker 2: That's how much.
Speaker 3: She has put her life on the line for the
Speaker 3: country that she loves, and so she gets this coveted,
Speaker 3: incredible honor that again she has put herself in so
Speaker 3: much danger to receive. And then she just flies to
Speaker 3: Washington d c. Walks into the White House and hands
Speaker 3: it over in a beautiful plaque to President Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it wasn't in a bag or a box,
Speaker 1: so she didn't pull it out of her pocket. This
Speaker 1: she went to Frame Bridge before going to the White House.
Speaker 1: This thing was beautifully done. It in a nice frame.
Speaker 1: What do you call that type of frame it is?
Speaker 2: It's a gilded frame. Gilded gilded frame.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: That is it's fit for a presidential plaque or certainly
Speaker 3: it looks the part, and it would be beautiful hanging
Speaker 3: just about anywhere.
Speaker 1: And he has it now. He wasn't awarded it. He's
Speaker 1: smiling fine in that picture. But roads he has been
Speaker 1: campaigning like shamelessly. That shouldn't be a bad word, but
Speaker 1: he has no shame about saying to anybody who will listen, Yep,
Speaker 1: I deserve it, and it's a shame I didn't win it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like a wanna be fiance walking
Speaker 3: by a jewelry store to her fiance, like dropping major
Speaker 3: heavy hints about exactly what she wants and when she
Speaker 3: wants it.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what's been happening.
Speaker 1: And then the more and more go that she doesn't
Speaker 1: get it, things get a little more hostile, don't they.
Speaker 1: And now this is what's happening with the president. He did,
Speaker 1: he got even I think some of his language. He
Speaker 1: said they were embarrassed by what happened by not giving
Speaker 1: it to him.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that was one of my favorite parts about this,
Speaker 3: that this whole when he found out and he knew
Speaker 3: Machada was coming to the White House to give him,
Speaker 3: among other obviously she wanted to have a conversation with him,
Speaker 3: but he knew a big part of her visit she
Speaker 3: was going to give him physically this Nobel Peace Prize medal.
Speaker 2: And yes, the funny thing is he made.
Speaker 3: A point to say that the folks in Oslo are
Speaker 3: just so embarrassed that they've just completely screwed up and
Speaker 3: they can't believe the error of their ways.
Speaker 2: That's not exactly what we're hearing from Oslo.
Speaker 1: FYI obviously not. But he has had no shame the
Speaker 1: first year of his presidency. At every turn the number moves,
Speaker 1: he said, I've settled seven, settled eight wars, and then
Speaker 1: there was one point he said there was a half
Speaker 1: one he settled.
Speaker 2: Eight and a half. Is that where we're at?
Speaker 1: There was that, But he has absolutely said he deserved
Speaker 1: this thing. She said immediately after she got it at
Speaker 1: the end of last year, wasn't it It was just October
Speaker 1: that they announced that she was the winner. She didn't
Speaker 1: even have this thing long enough to enjoy it, so
Speaker 1: she just got it. But at the time of the
Speaker 1: announcement she said she was accepting on behalf of in
Speaker 1: honor of President Trump. So this moment has been coming
Speaker 1: robes now. We saw her walk in. I was paying look,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that that thing was pretty big.
Speaker 1: It's huge that it was framed. I was I don't
Speaker 1: know what I was thinking, as if she would be
Speaker 1: carrying it in. But I was watching the video of
Speaker 1: her going into the White House. Oh is she carrying anything?
Speaker 1: How big is her purse? Can you feel a medal?
Speaker 3: It's actually a small medal, you pointed out, you said it,
Speaker 3: and then I ended up looking at pictures later it
Speaker 3: really does kind of look like a penny, like a
Speaker 3: slightly enlarged pretty penny. But it is not a large medal.
Speaker 3: It's not what you would think. I guess I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of like our running medals or an Olympic medal. It's
Speaker 3: it's very different.
Speaker 1: It's under stated, it is, but she packaged it now
Speaker 1: in such a way.
Speaker 2: It's larger than life.
Speaker 1: And it is a centerpiece in any room. Now, this
Speaker 1: thing will tell you says it's a gilded frame, but
Speaker 1: if you had to get me, it's at least the
Speaker 1: size of a movie poster. When you say the way
Speaker 1: to say it.
Speaker 3: She's smart. She knew her audience, she knew who she
Speaker 3: was giving it to. The bigger the better.
Speaker 1: And so let's tell you now what it says on it.
Speaker 1: There's kind of a one section at the top with
Speaker 1: a line and something in the middle, and then a
Speaker 1: hole rite up at the bottom. But we'll tell you
Speaker 1: exactly what this thing says. And it's fair to say
Speaker 1: the metal is kind of fram right dead center for
Speaker 1: the most part of it, and then some language at
Speaker 1: the top and at the bottom.
Speaker 3: All right, it says to President Donald J. Trump, in
Speaker 3: gratitude for your extraordinary leadership in promoting peace through strength,
Speaker 3: advancing diplomacy, and defending liberty and prosperity. Presented as a
Speaker 3: personal symbol of gratitude on behalf of the Venezuelan people
Speaker 3: and recognition of President Trump's principled and decisive action to
Speaker 3: secure a free Venezuela. The courage of America and It's
Speaker 3: President Donald J. Trump will never be forgotten by the
Speaker 3: Venezuelan people.
Speaker 1: That's some ego stroking. I mean, that's uh, that's good stuff.
Speaker 3: His name was in there three times, in one, two,
Speaker 3: three and four sentences.
Speaker 2: His name was in three lines. She knows her audience
Speaker 2: this look.
Speaker 1: And it's a The picture is a little it's fine,
Speaker 1: but he's he's holding it right in the picture and
Speaker 1: she's standing right next to him.
Speaker 3: In the Oval office. Yes, I actually was just looking
Speaker 3: at Yes, he is holding it and it's almost as
Speaker 3: big as him.
Speaker 2: And he's like he.
Speaker 3: Has a grin on his face where he actually looks
Speaker 3: like an eight year old boy. I'm not kidding that
Speaker 3: that is how I would describe that grin. It's childishly
Speaker 3: sweet almost in a way, like he's so excited he
Speaker 3: got what he wants. It's like he opened up his
Speaker 3: Christmas present and it was the I don't know, the
Speaker 3: bb gun he always wanted, Like what.
Speaker 1: It looks like? I know this look on my face
Speaker 1: at my fifth birthday party when I got this g
Speaker 1: I Joe set that I really wanted exactly because I
Speaker 1: know there's love, but it looks like I know this
Speaker 1: look very well. I didn't think about this. You put
Speaker 1: me in that mindset, and right now I went back
Speaker 1: to a memory from forty three years ago in.
Speaker 2: My life that was child it's childlike joy it.
Speaker 1: Is and that's cool. That makes him happy. That's cool.
Speaker 1: Now what happens I really wonder what happens next year?
Speaker 1: He's going to get nominated next year? What is the
Speaker 1: is he?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean yes, you're right, anybody nominate him?
Speaker 1: Yes, But now that's going to be an even bigger
Speaker 1: pressure campaign. And then he'll come out and say he's
Speaker 1: the only person in the history to have received two
Speaker 1: Nobel Prizes, or it is going to be Are they
Speaker 1: going to be so annoyed with him next year?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Or are they going to bow?
Speaker 3: Look, I look, we I can't guess in this world
Speaker 3: the way people have kissed his ring and they've understood
Speaker 3: that it's just better for them to do so.
Speaker 2: And that has been what we have seen.
Speaker 3: The majority of folks do people make complete about faces
Speaker 3: like Mark Zuckerberg, and you know, you can just go
Speaker 3: the list goes on and on. But they've just realized
Speaker 3: that it's better to have Trump like you than the opposite.
Speaker 3: And so, yes, there's the carrot, but there's the stick,
Speaker 3: and both of them are effective when it comes to Trump,
Speaker 3: and he has made it very clear he is unafraid
Speaker 3: the trump. Well, no, he will give you the stick
Speaker 3: either either he'll give you the carrot because he likes you,
Speaker 3: or he'll give you this stick when he doesn't. I
Speaker 3: guess I meant he was wielding the carrots and the sticks.
Speaker 1: Even if he gives you a carrot, it's a good
Speaker 1: chance a stick is coming later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you better.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's it's only on a temporary basis. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's your last act whatever it was, that's what you get. Yes,
Speaker 3: But I I wonder though, you know, the Scandinavians and
Speaker 3: Norwegians they are a.
Speaker 1: A rule following, very polite, very formal group of folks.
Speaker 1: They are not going to mix. They are not going
Speaker 1: to rattle. They know that there is order there like
Speaker 1: I have never seen this.
Speaker 2: Emotion does not rule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not upset.
Speaker 3: Culturally speaking, emotion does not rule these firs. Yes, And
Speaker 3: if you've ever visited that part of the world, you'll
Speaker 3: know exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Or if you're related to or you are you know,
Speaker 2: and it's just a way of operation over there.
Speaker 3: So I it would be hard for me to imagine
Speaker 3: a world in which they would then next year say,
Speaker 3: you know what we messed up last year, We're gonna give.
Speaker 2: It to you this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, anything could happen, but that will be fascinating.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. But folks, what does this mean now?
Speaker 1: Is she still officially the Nobel Laureate or has it
Speaker 1: been transferred to President Donald J. Trump. Well you could
Speaker 1: probably guess, but just to make sure there was no confusion,
Speaker 1: the Nobel Institute made sure to clear this up. Stay here,
Speaker 1: we'll tell you what they said about this trans of
Speaker 1: the prize. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ. Robes.
Speaker 1: You pointed something out about the picture that we just
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. People have their opinions about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You don't get a lot of opportunities to look and go,
Speaker 1: oh that's sweet. Really, I mean, you look and you Okay,
Speaker 1: he got what he wanted. You can make complaints about
Speaker 1: how he got it, how he went about, but he
Speaker 1: got something he really wanted. And it's you don't get
Speaker 1: a lot of times to read an emotion on his
Speaker 1: face outside of anger or right, he's usually fiery. He
Speaker 1: looked like he was really happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because usually we're used to seeing these
Speaker 3: photos of Trump and look, he's made it very and
Speaker 3: he pays a lot of attention to the photos that
Speaker 3: are used of him. He switched them out in the
Speaker 3: White House, he switched them out in various areas. When
Speaker 3: he doesn't like how he looks, he makes it very clear.
Speaker 3: So he cares immensely about his facial expressions, what a
Speaker 3: photo says about him. So I just actually got a
Speaker 3: kick out of seeing this photo because it's unlike all
Speaker 3: the others where he shows this, you know, this terse face,
Speaker 3: this face of strength, this don't mess with America face,
Speaker 3: like that's kind of his thing. And you can see,
Speaker 3: you know, he juts his jaw out, he's got a stern. Look,
Speaker 3: he looks like an eight year old in this photo.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're no, I'm not being Your heart softens
Speaker 2: a little. You're like, oh, there.
Speaker 1: Is it's in there.
Speaker 2: There is somebody in there who is sweet and.
Speaker 3: Excited and childlike. He's in there somewhere and he's in
Speaker 3: that picture.
Speaker 2: He's come out.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at it closer now is it awkward?
Speaker 1: Is it an awkward photo?
Speaker 2: I just it. It's unbridled excitement. And if he knew
Speaker 2: he was making.
Speaker 1: That pit you still there? Okay, Look, she looks like.
Speaker 2: She's gritting her teeth like I have to do this.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you could actually.
Speaker 3: Kind of I hate to say this, but put a
Speaker 3: gunder her head and that smile would also read like
Speaker 3: they have two very different smiles.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, but you're right. This was not
Speaker 1: supposed to be a podcast they analyze the face.
Speaker 3: It just jumped out at me when I saw am
Speaker 3: it was such an unusual.
Speaker 2: Photo of President Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well again the Nobel Institute. Look, when
Speaker 1: this was being talked about in recent weeks, they took
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an extraordinary step or not.
Speaker 1: But they had to clear things up for people in
Speaker 1: explaining if someone who is a Nobel Prize laureate, can
Speaker 1: you actually give your Nobel prize to somebody else? And
Speaker 1: I guess rope with the answer is yes and no,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yes. They put out an official statement they said this,
Speaker 3: the Norwegian Nobel Committee and the Norwegian Nobel Institute receive
Speaker 3: a number of requests for comments regarding the permanence of
Speaker 3: a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate's status.
Speaker 2: The facts are clear and well established.
Speaker 3: Once a Nobel Prize is announced, it cannot be revoked,
Speaker 3: shared or transferred to others. The decision is final and
Speaker 3: stands for all time. I love that last little bit,
Speaker 3: but it's funny. I just they wanted it to be very,
Speaker 3: very very clear, and I think that's pretty clear. They
Speaker 3: also the Post described this a medal can change owners,
Speaker 3: but the title of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate cannot.
Speaker 3: So that is what they said on X on Thursday,
Speaker 3: after it appeared that this transfer or this that Machado
Speaker 3: had given Trump the medal.
Speaker 2: That was their response on X.
Speaker 1: And it took I believe Ropes hours after she left
Speaker 1: the White House for word to officially come out, because
Speaker 1: she made some comments to reporters and a crowd that
Speaker 1: was surrounding her, and she just said, I presented the
Speaker 1: medal to him, and there was confusing did he accept
Speaker 1: it or where is it now? And we had no idea.
Speaker 1: It was more than just the handing over of them.
Speaker 1: This was a big framed, planned exchange yeat.
Speaker 3: Once she said or suggested that she was going to
Speaker 3: do it, there was no going back because he had
Speaker 3: an expectations or everything right, and clearly he expected her
Speaker 3: to bring this medal to him.
Speaker 2: He expected her to give this medal to him.
Speaker 3: So if she showed up empty handed, I cannot even
Speaker 3: imagine that would have gone.
Speaker 2: How long that meeting was, you know, expectations are everything.
Speaker 1: Wow, and to build it up. Yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: been enough. But hey, we it's what you do right.
Speaker 1: People come to your house. Last few guests we've had
Speaker 1: here at the house, they bought a bottle of wine,
Speaker 1: there were some champagne, there were little serving dishes. She
Speaker 1: brought a Nobel prize. You bring something to the house
Speaker 1: when you vidit, somebody folks want to hop out and
Speaker 1: give you that update and update that we could have
Speaker 1: recorded this probably on Wednesday and it wouldn't have changed much.
Speaker 1: But yes, five US presidents now have a Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 1: Four have woned with that, folks who always appreciate you's
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Speaker 1: Framie Ropebok, I'm t J. Holmes. Talk to y'all, real, real,