WEBVTT - Not-So-Shocking Development: Machado Gives Trump Her Nobel Peace Prize

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Friday, January sixteenth, and only

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<v Speaker 1>four US presidents in history have ever won the Nobel

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Prize. But as of this morning, five presidents have

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<v Speaker 1>a Nobel Peace Prize. And with that, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ. This no shit Sherlock episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ. Okay, I saw this one coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take credit and say we called it,

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<v Speaker 1>but everybody should have called this.

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<v Speaker 2>You called it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody should have called it.

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<v Speaker 2>Took more than one minute. You just were off on

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<v Speaker 2>your timing.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe it didn't though we just found out about

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<v Speaker 3>it a few hours after the fact. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 3>within the first minute, so I stand corrected, or at

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<v Speaker 3>least I don't know. But you mentioned how many presidents

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<v Speaker 3>have received this honor?

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<v Speaker 2>How many of them have been gifted this honor.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump is likely the only person who has been

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<v Speaker 3>given the Nobel Peace Prize from someone other than a

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<v Speaker 3>Norwegian institution.

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<v Speaker 1>She dropped it off, she came, she came bearing gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>The current Nobel Prize Laureate brought her physical Nobel Prize

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<v Speaker 1>medal to the White House, and she gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald J. Trump yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there were strings attached.

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<v Speaker 1>They were understood strings, even if they weren't fully articulated

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<v Speaker 1>or written down. I think obviously we know what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here. She wants power in Venezuela. There's another group

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<v Speaker 1>already that wants to hold on to power. You essentially

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<v Speaker 1>have two women now in President Trump's ears saying gimme, gimme, gimme,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want his support. He is being wooed in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways now publicly and who knows how much privately.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, she yes, she knows what she's doing and

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<v Speaker 1>playing this carefully. So we talked about it. She is

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<v Speaker 1>the opposition leader, yes, in Venezuela that many people felt

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<v Speaker 1>should be in power right now. She tried to run

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and twenty three, twenty twenty three, the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Within twenty twenty four, she was essentially forced to quit

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<v Speaker 1>that race. Has been in hiding. This woman has been

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<v Speaker 1>in hiding over her safety and won a Nobel prize

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<v Speaker 1>and gave it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about this. She won a Nobel Prize.

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<v Speaker 3>That she was too unsafe to actually physically personally accept.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in Oslo, but her daughter had to accept

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<v Speaker 3>the award for her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how much.

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<v Speaker 3>She has put her life on the line for the

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<v Speaker 3>country that she loves, and so she gets this coveted,

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<v Speaker 3>incredible honor that again she has put herself in so

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<v Speaker 3>much danger to receive. And then she just flies to

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<v Speaker 3>Washington d c. Walks into the White House and hands

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<v Speaker 3>it over in a beautiful plaque to President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it wasn't in a bag or a box,

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<v Speaker 1>so she didn't pull it out of her pocket. This

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<v Speaker 1>she went to Frame Bridge before going to the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing was beautifully done. It in a nice frame.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you call that type of frame it is?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a gilded frame. Gilded gilded frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 3>That is it's fit for a presidential plaque or certainly

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<v Speaker 3>it looks the part, and it would be beautiful hanging

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<v Speaker 3>just about anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has it now. He wasn't awarded it. He's

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<v Speaker 1>smiling fine in that picture. But roads he has been

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<v Speaker 1>campaigning like shamelessly. That shouldn't be a bad word, but

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<v Speaker 1>he has no shame about saying to anybody who will listen, Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>I deserve it, and it's a shame I didn't win it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of like a wanna be fiance walking

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<v Speaker 3>by a jewelry store to her fiance, like dropping major

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<v Speaker 3>heavy hints about exactly what she wants and when she

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<v Speaker 3>wants it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what's been happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the more and more go that she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it, things get a little more hostile, don't they.

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<v Speaker 1>And now this is what's happening with the president. He did,

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<v Speaker 1>he got even I think some of his language. He

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<v Speaker 1>said they were embarrassed by what happened by not giving

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<v Speaker 1>it to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, that was one of my favorite parts about this,

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<v Speaker 3>that this whole when he found out and he knew

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<v Speaker 3>Machada was coming to the White House to give him,

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<v Speaker 3>among other obviously she wanted to have a conversation with him,

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<v Speaker 3>but he knew a big part of her visit she

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<v Speaker 3>was going to give him physically this Nobel Peace Prize medal.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, the funny thing is he made.

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<v Speaker 3>A point to say that the folks in Oslo are

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<v Speaker 3>just so embarrassed that they've just completely screwed up and

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<v Speaker 3>they can't believe the error of their ways.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not exactly what we're hearing from Oslo.

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<v Speaker 1>FYI obviously not. But he has had no shame the

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<v Speaker 1>first year of his presidency. At every turn the number moves,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I've settled seven, settled eight wars, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was one point he said there was a half

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<v Speaker 1>one he settled.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight and a half. Is that where we're at?

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<v Speaker 1>There was that, But he has absolutely said he deserved

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. She said immediately after she got it at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of last year, wasn't it It was just October

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<v Speaker 1>that they announced that she was the winner. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even have this thing long enough to enjoy it, so

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<v Speaker 1>she just got it. But at the time of the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement she said she was accepting on behalf of in

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<v Speaker 1>honor of President Trump. So this moment has been coming

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<v Speaker 1>robes now. We saw her walk in. I was paying look,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that that thing was pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>It's huge that it was framed. I was I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I was thinking, as if she would be

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<v Speaker 1>carrying it in. But I was watching the video of

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<v Speaker 1>her going into the White House. Oh is she carrying anything?

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<v Speaker 1>How big is her purse? Can you feel a medal?

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually a small medal, you pointed out, you said it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I ended up looking at pictures later it

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<v Speaker 3>really does kind of look like a penny, like a

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<v Speaker 3>slightly enlarged pretty penny. But it is not a large medal.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not what you would think. I guess I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of like our running medals or an Olympic medal. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's very different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's under stated, it is, but she packaged it now

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<v Speaker 1>in such a way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's larger than life.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is a centerpiece in any room. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>thing will tell you says it's a gilded frame, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you had to get me, it's at least the

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<v Speaker 1>size of a movie poster. When you say the way

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<v Speaker 1>to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's smart. She knew her audience, she knew who she

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<v Speaker 3>was giving it to. The bigger the better.

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<v Speaker 1>And so let's tell you now what it says on it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's kind of a one section at the top with

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<v Speaker 1>a line and something in the middle, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>hole rite up at the bottom. But we'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what this thing says. And it's fair to say

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<v Speaker 1>the metal is kind of fram right dead center for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part of it, and then some language at

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<v Speaker 1>the top and at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, it says to President Donald J. Trump, in

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<v Speaker 3>gratitude for your extraordinary leadership in promoting peace through strength,

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<v Speaker 3>advancing diplomacy, and defending liberty and prosperity. Presented as a

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<v Speaker 3>personal symbol of gratitude on behalf of the Venezuelan people

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<v Speaker 3>and recognition of President Trump's principled and decisive action to

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<v Speaker 3>secure a free Venezuela. The courage of America and It's

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<v Speaker 3>President Donald J. Trump will never be forgotten by the

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<v Speaker 3>Venezuelan people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's some ego stroking. I mean, that's uh, that's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>His name was in there three times, in one, two,

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<v Speaker 3>three and four sentences.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was in three lines. She knows her audience

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<v Speaker 2>this look.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a The picture is a little it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's he's holding it right in the picture and

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<v Speaker 1>she's standing right next to him.

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<v Speaker 3>In the Oval office. Yes, I actually was just looking

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<v Speaker 3>at Yes, he is holding it and it's almost as

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<v Speaker 3>big as him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like he.

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<v Speaker 3>Has a grin on his face where he actually looks

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<v Speaker 3>like an eight year old boy. I'm not kidding that

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<v Speaker 3>that is how I would describe that grin. It's childishly

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<v Speaker 3>sweet almost in a way, like he's so excited he

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<v Speaker 3>got what he wants. It's like he opened up his

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas present and it was the I don't know, the

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<v Speaker 3>bb gun he always wanted, Like what.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like? I know this look on my face

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<v Speaker 1>at my fifth birthday party when I got this g

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<v Speaker 1>I Joe set that I really wanted exactly because I

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<v Speaker 1>know there's love, but it looks like I know this

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<v Speaker 1>look very well. I didn't think about this. You put

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<v Speaker 1>me in that mindset, and right now I went back

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<v Speaker 1>to a memory from forty three years ago in.

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<v Speaker 2>My life that was child it's childlike joy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is and that's cool. That makes him happy. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what happens I really wonder what happens next year?

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to get nominated next year? What is the

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<v Speaker 1>is he?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yes, you're right, anybody nominate him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But now that's going to be an even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>pressure campaign. And then he'll come out and say he's

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<v Speaker 1>the only person in the history to have received two

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prizes, or it is going to be Are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to be so annoyed with him next year?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are they going to bow?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I look, we I can't guess in this world

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<v Speaker 3>the way people have kissed his ring and they've understood

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<v Speaker 3>that it's just better for them to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>And that has been what we have seen.

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<v Speaker 3>The majority of folks do people make complete about faces

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<v Speaker 3>like Mark Zuckerberg, and you know, you can just go

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<v Speaker 3>the list goes on and on. But they've just realized

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<v Speaker 3>that it's better to have Trump like you than the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, yes, there's the carrot, but there's the stick,

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<v Speaker 3>and both of them are effective when it comes to Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>and he has made it very clear he is unafraid

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<v Speaker 3>the trump. Well, no, he will give you the stick

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<v Speaker 3>either either he'll give you the carrot because he likes you,

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<v Speaker 3>or he'll give you this stick when he doesn't. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I meant he was wielding the carrots and the sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if he gives you a carrot, it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>chance a stick is coming later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you better.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's it's it's only on a temporary basis. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's your last act whatever it was, that's what you get. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>But I I wonder though, you know, the Scandinavians and

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<v Speaker 3>Norwegians they are a.

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<v Speaker 1>A rule following, very polite, very formal group of folks.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not going to mix. They are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to rattle. They know that there is order there like

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<v Speaker 1>I have never seen this.

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<v Speaker 2>Emotion does not rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're not upset.

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<v Speaker 3>Culturally speaking, emotion does not rule these firs. Yes, And

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<v Speaker 3>if you've ever visited that part of the world, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you're related to or you are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a way of operation over there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I it would be hard for me to imagine

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<v Speaker 3>a world in which they would then next year say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what we messed up last year, We're gonna give.

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<v Speaker 2>It to you this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, anything could happen, but that will be fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. But folks, what does this mean now?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she still officially the Nobel Laureate or has it

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<v Speaker 1>been transferred to President Donald J. Trump. Well you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably guess, but just to make sure there was no confusion,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nobel Institute made sure to clear this up. Stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll tell you what they said about this trans of

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<v Speaker 1>the prize. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>You pointed something out about the picture that we just

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know. People have their opinions about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get a lot of opportunities to look and go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh that's sweet. Really, I mean, you look and you Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he got what he wanted. You can make complaints about

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<v Speaker 1>how he got it, how he went about, but he

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<v Speaker 1>got something he really wanted. And it's you don't get

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times to read an emotion on his

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<v Speaker 1>face outside of anger or right, he's usually fiery. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked like he was really happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny because usually we're used to seeing these

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<v Speaker 3>photos of Trump and look, he's made it very and

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<v Speaker 3>he pays a lot of attention to the photos that

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<v Speaker 3>are used of him. He switched them out in the

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<v Speaker 3>White House, he switched them out in various areas. When

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't like how he looks, he makes it very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>So he cares immensely about his facial expressions, what a

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<v Speaker 3>photo says about him. So I just actually got a

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<v Speaker 3>kick out of seeing this photo because it's unlike all

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<v Speaker 3>the others where he shows this, you know, this terse face,

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<v Speaker 3>this face of strength, this don't mess with America face,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's kind of his thing. And you can see,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he juts his jaw out, he's got a stern. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>he looks like an eight year old in this photo.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you're no, I'm not being Your heart softens

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<v Speaker 2>a little. You're like, oh, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>There is somebody in there who is sweet and.

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<v Speaker 3>Excited and childlike. He's in there somewhere and he's in

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<v Speaker 3>that picture.

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<v Speaker 2>He's come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm looking at it closer now is it awkward?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it an awkward photo?

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<v Speaker 2>I just it. It's unbridled excitement. And if he knew

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<v Speaker 2>he was making.

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<v Speaker 1>That pit you still there? Okay, Look, she looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gritting her teeth like I have to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like you could actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of I hate to say this, but put a

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<v Speaker 3>gunder her head and that smile would also read like

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<v Speaker 3>they have two very different smiles.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know, but you're right. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a podcast they analyze the face.

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<v Speaker 3>It just jumped out at me when I saw am

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<v Speaker 3>it was such an unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Photo of President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Well again the Nobel Institute. Look, when

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<v Speaker 1>this was being talked about in recent weeks, they took

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's an extraordinary step or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had to clear things up for people in

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<v Speaker 1>explaining if someone who is a Nobel Prize laureate, can

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<v Speaker 1>you actually give your Nobel prize to somebody else? And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess rope with the answer is yes and no,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. They put out an official statement they said this,

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<v Speaker 3>the Norwegian Nobel Committee and the Norwegian Nobel Institute receive

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<v Speaker 3>a number of requests for comments regarding the permanence of

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<v Speaker 3>a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate's status.

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<v Speaker 2>The facts are clear and well established.

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<v Speaker 3>Once a Nobel Prize is announced, it cannot be revoked,

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<v Speaker 3>shared or transferred to others. The decision is final and

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<v Speaker 3>stands for all time. I love that last little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's funny. I just they wanted it to be very,

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<v Speaker 3>very very clear, and I think that's pretty clear. They

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<v Speaker 3>also the Post described this a medal can change owners,

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<v Speaker 3>but the title of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate cannot.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is what they said on X on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 3>after it appeared that this transfer or this that Machado

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<v Speaker 3>had given Trump the medal.

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<v Speaker 2>That was their response on X.

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<v Speaker 1>And it took I believe Ropes hours after she left

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<v Speaker 1>the White House for word to officially come out, because

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<v Speaker 1>she made some comments to reporters and a crowd that

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<v Speaker 1>was surrounding her, and she just said, I presented the

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<v Speaker 1>medal to him, and there was confusing did he accept

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<v Speaker 1>it or where is it now? And we had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more than just the handing over of them.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a big framed, planned exchange yeat.

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<v Speaker 3>Once she said or suggested that she was going to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, there was no going back because he had

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<v Speaker 3>an expectations or everything right, and clearly he expected her

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<v Speaker 3>to bring this medal to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He expected her to give this medal to him.

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<v Speaker 3>So if she showed up empty handed, I cannot even

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that would have gone.

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<v Speaker 2>How long that meeting was, you know, expectations are everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and to build it up. Yeah, that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been enough. But hey, we it's what you do right.

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<v Speaker 1>People come to your house. Last few guests we've had

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<v Speaker 1>here at the house, they bought a bottle of wine,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some champagne, there were little serving dishes. She

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<v Speaker 1>brought a Nobel prize. You bring something to the house

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<v Speaker 1>when you vidit, somebody folks want to hop out and

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<v Speaker 1>give you that update and update that we could have

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<v Speaker 1>recorded this probably on Wednesday and it wouldn't have changed much.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, five US presidents now have a Nobel Peace Prize.

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<v Speaker 1>Four have woned with that, folks who always appreciate you's

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<v Speaker 1>been some time with us. You can look for our

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<v Speaker 1>morning run that'll be on the feed here in just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, our News daily podcast. But until then,

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<v Speaker 1>Framie Ropebok, I'm t J. Holmes. Talk to y'all, real, real,