1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: What a day. John Bolton throws impeachment into chaos. President 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Trump's legal team comes out swinging on their first full 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: day of arguments, and the senator of this very podcast 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: drives at least one journalist completely up a wall. This 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: is Verdict with Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles. Thank you so much to 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: all of the listeners who have kept this show at 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: the top of the charts again now into our second week. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: What a big day. It started as a crazy day 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: before the impeachment trial even began, because of a leak 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: from the new memoir of John Bolton, the former National 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Security advisor, leaked to the New York Times, and it 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: alleges that President Trump tied Ukraine aid to an investigation 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: of the Biden's quid pro quo. He's guilty as charged, 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: isn't that right? Well, today was a big and consequential day, 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: and you're right, it started off crazy. We all had 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: off yesterday, so I flew home, was home with my family, 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: then came back to DC at the crack of dawn, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: walked into the Capitol. The press was going nuts. They 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: were in a total tizzie The New York Times had 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: broken the story that Bolton says there was a quid 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: pro quo, and I got to say when I sat 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: down at lunch today before we started the trial, there 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: were a lot of Republican Senators who were feeling a 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: little rattled by it. I mean, it was designed to 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: shake people up in it. It had a little bit 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: of that effect. I'm actually somewhat surprised that this shook 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: up Republican senators because the story itself made all of 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: these headlines a big splash. And yet it seems to 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: me just reading about it, and especially given our previous 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: conversations on how the quid pro quo was not really 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: a big deal, that it's a lot of sizzle and 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: no stake. Well, that's exactly right, and one of the 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: most important things for people to understand. It does not 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: matter if there was a quid pro quo or not. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: It does not matter. It doesn't make a difference for 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: the issues before the sentence. Something we talked about last 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: week in our first couple of podcasts. Look, quid pro 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: quo sounds scary. It's a Latin phrase. I don't know 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: what it means, but it sounds really bad all. Quid 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: pro quo means as you exchange one thing for another, 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: and this is not an exaggeration. Every president, yea, from 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: George Washington to today has done quid pro quos by 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: the hundreds, and foreign policy does it every single day. 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: So whether or not it's a quid pro quote doesn't matter. 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: The question is did the president commit high crimes and misdemeanors? 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: And a quid pro quo is not. Whether it is 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: or not, it is not the constitutional stand. So then 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: why is this such a big headline? Because that was 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: my reaction to I said, hold on, I got to 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: talk to the Senator about this last week. I can 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: see through the headline. Why is everybody making such a 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: big deal about the John Bolton leak. Well, look, part 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: of it was that the defense team on Saturday had 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: some fun pointing out that the evidence was contradictory whether 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: it was a quid pro quo or not. So they 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: leaned in a little bit saying there wasn't clear evidence 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: there was a quid pro quo, and so that let 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: the New York Times say, oh goodness, now we have 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: someone saying there was. It doesn't matter because look, quid 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: pro quos. Obama's a rand deal is a quid pro quo. Right, 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: Russia sanctions. I just passed last month sanctions on the 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: Nord String to Russian gas pipeline. If a company builds 64 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: the pipeline, they get sanctioned. That's a quid pro quo. 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: You build the pipeline, you get sanctions. You're admitting to 66 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: a quid pro quo right now. And Venezuela sanctions. We're 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: telling Venezuela today that if Nicholas Maduro steps down from Venezuela, 68 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: will lift sanctions. And we do by the way carrots 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: and sticks all the time, where we'll give you aid, 70 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: will impose sanctions. That's how we conduct foreign policies. So 71 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: the Bolton leak, the quid pro quo news, that doesn't 72 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: matter to the argument for impeachment itself. And yet surely 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: it matters to the impeachment trial, because now we're hearing 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: more reports that we could drag this thing out weeks 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and weeks and finally hear from the witnesses, which the 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Democrats have been asking for now for weeks. So I 77 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: think the chances of the Senate hearing witnesses and of 78 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the trial being dragged on that those chances have increased. 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: We will vote probably on Friday, whether or not additional 80 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: witnesses will be brought in. All forty seven Democrats will 81 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: vote yes, if four Republicans join them, if fifty one Republicans, 82 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: if fifty one Senators vote yes, then we're going to 83 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: have additional witnesses. Do you think that those four Republican 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: senators will go over and now vote for the witnesses? Hey, 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not certain about that. I think there 86 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: are a couple who have been pretty clear they will. 87 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if we get to four. And you know, 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: one of the striking things, I don't know that I 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: have seen two Senate meals more different than lunch today 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: and dinner today. How so what's the difference? All right, 91 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: So lunch today everyone had just out and back they 92 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: were there. The press was all in a frenzy about 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: John Bolton. We're talking about, oh, we gotta have witnesses, 94 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: quit pro quo. Not sure what quid pro quo is. 95 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: And then we had this afternoon where the Trump defense 96 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: team finally got to put on their arguments and their 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: evidence and listen, as you know, I have been begging 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: them put on systematically. Clearly the evidence of Barissma and Hunter, 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: Biden and Joe Biden, all of the evidence of corruption. 100 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: That's what matters. The central question in this trial is 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: whether a president can investigate corruption, and the answer to 102 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: that is obviously yes, if they're real incredible allegations of corruption. 103 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: With Hunter and Joe Biden, Barissma that there was enormous 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: evidence of corruption. We finally heard that today and by 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: dinner time the Republican senators were happy. The last serene 106 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 1: it was totally different because we'd just gone through several 107 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: hours of the actual defense in the case, which finally 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: got to be able to put onto. Okay, well, I 109 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: want to get into those arguments then, because this was 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: a pivotal day. We got a little preview of the 111 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Trump team's arguments on Saturday, but today was the first 112 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: full day. Last week the Democrats make their arguments, and 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: then this week the Trump team gets to do it. 114 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: It opened up with Ken Starr, who was the star 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: of the Clinton impeachment trial back in the nineties. Then 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: it went on to some of President Trump's other lawyers. 117 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Toward the end, you get Alan Dershowitz, very famous lawyer, 118 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: a professor of yours. I believe you know him well. 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Taught me criminal law one oh one my first week 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: in law school, and I've known him twenty five thirty years. 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: So I hate to put you on the spot because 122 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: you know one of the lawyer. You know multiple lawyers 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: who were arguing today. How did they do? They did 124 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: very well. This was a very good day for President Trump. 125 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: This was a very bad day for the Democrats. And 126 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: I gotta say watching the Democrats at council table, when 127 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi got up, when so Pam Bondi is won 128 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: a President Trump's law right and Eric Hirshman, who are 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: two of the lawyers for the for President Trump, they 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: both got up and they laid out the evidence of Barisma, 131 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian natural gas company that was built in corruption, 132 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: that was paying Hunter Biden a million bucks a year. 133 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: And they finally showed the tape of Joe Biden bragging 134 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: about how you want to talk about quid pro quo? 135 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: So on Donald Trump. The evidence is conflicting on whether 136 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: there's a quid pro quo. There's some evidence that some 137 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: testimony said there was, some testimony said there was. It 138 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, do you know, the one undisputed quit pro 139 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: quo in this in this entire proceeding, Joe Biden. Joe 140 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Biden on video said he told the President of Ukraine 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: he would block a billion dollars in aid unless he 142 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: fired the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Barisma, which was 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: paying his son Hunter Biden a million bucks a year. 144 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: And as you know, Biden ends it with going, well, 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: son of a bitch, they fired him. That's a quid 146 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: pro quo, and Biden not only admits to it, he 147 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: brags about it. He's proud. And I got to say 148 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: playing that, I think the Trump team did a good 149 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: job laying it out. I think they walked through the evidence. 150 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: But but I spent a good chunk of it just 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: watching the house manager's faces. I gotta say Adam Schiff 152 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: was ashen. I mean really that their faces were horrifying 153 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: because we couldn't see that. I certainly didn't see that 154 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: they so you would see him kind of try to 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: smile and like puff up his chest and then it 156 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: sort of slumped down. But the interesting thing is they 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: knew this was coming. It's why several days ago, I said, 158 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: the house managers through Joe Biden un the bus because 159 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: when they spend several hours of their presentation making the 160 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: case that there is zero evidence to investigate Borismo or 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: the Biden's for corruption, which is a laughable proposition, they 162 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: knew to a metaphysical certainty that today would happen. In 163 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: other words, they knew. They knew about the Son of 164 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: a Bitch video. I mean, it's not like they're living 165 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: in a cave and they set it up. They team 166 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: about the video we played last week on the podcast 167 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: where ABC asked Hunter Biden, would you have gotten this 168 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: job been paid a million bucks a year if your 169 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: name wasn't Biden. He's like, no, I mean, they knew 170 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: that was coming, but it was still painful. But did 171 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: you know that the Trump team would be so aggressive 172 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: because I going into it, I had this fear, and 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: we talked about it on the show that the Trump 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: team would play it cautious, play it's safe, simply answer 175 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: the Democrat accusations from last week, and instead they got 176 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: pretty aggressive. Well, I think they heard from a lot 177 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: of voices that they needed to affirmatively present the president's 178 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: defense that the president is innocent and there's a reason 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: he's innocent. It is perfectly okay, and in fact that 180 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: the president's got a responsibility if there's credible evidence of 181 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: corruption to investigate that evidence. Yeah, and you know it 182 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: was striking. You remember in the first couple of days, 183 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Nadler, one of the house managers, he said, out 184 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands of Ukraine companies, why would Trump 185 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: be interested in this one? And the screaming answer as well, 186 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: as far as I know, it's the only Ukrainian company 187 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: that was paying the son of the vice president a 188 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: million bucks a year. And the point is, it's not 189 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: about some abstract interest in Ukrainian corruption. It's not like 190 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the President's worried about someone knocking off seven elevens in Ukraine. Right, 191 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: This is about American corruption. This is about the prospect 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: of a corrupt foreign company effectively bribing the vice president 193 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: of the the United States. Now that may not be the case. 194 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that happened, but there's more than enough 195 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: evidence to investigate it and find out whether it did. 196 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: So you think that the Trump team did a good argument, 197 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: Ken Star, Alan Dershowitz, everybody in the middle. I actually 198 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: think that the biggest fireworks of the day were not 199 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: presented by the Trump legal team. I think they were 200 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: presented by you when you were talking to the press, 201 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: because during one of these breaks you had a press gaggle. 202 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: You were answering their questions and speaking to them. You, 203 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: more than anybody that I've seen, have been very aggressive 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: on this, saying that this impeachment is about Bisma, it's 205 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: about corruption in Joe, a potential corruption by Joe Biden 206 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: in the Obama administration. Go after that. I think you 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: got under the press's skin so much that at one point, 208 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: one of these reporters suggested throwing your nine year old 209 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: daughter in jail. Do we have the clip? Basically got 210 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: a job that vice president? If that's a crime, I name, 211 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't half of your children be in prison? My children 212 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: are nine and eleven. I'm sorry that you want to 213 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: throw a nine year old in prison, but at this point, 214 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: my my third grader plays basketball and softball at our school. 215 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: So so stop playing the nasty no, no, stop playing 216 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: the nasty Washington game attacking a nine year old. All right? 217 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: You know, I I love that you kept your cool 218 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: there and you kind of laughed it off, but that 219 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: is pretty deranged for a reporter to say they want 220 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: to throw your kid in jail. Well, you know, it 221 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: shows the desperation of the press corps. So Trump has 222 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of consequences for America, many of which 223 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: have been fantastically good in terms of policy, in terms 224 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: of substance. One of which that has been also really 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: really good is exposing the rampant bias of the media. 226 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: And Donald Trump has broken the media that their role 227 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: right now is they're desperate to be the defenders of 228 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: the Democrats. And so I had just finished standing up 229 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: and saying today with devastating for the house managers and 230 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: walking through a little bit of the evidence of corruption 231 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: that was laid out, the media doesn't want to cover 232 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: any of this. So what that guy was doing, I 233 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: mean he was trying to say, well, everybody does it, 234 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Come on, your kids do it? And they're desperately Okay, 235 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: so I got news for the media. No, everybody doesn't 236 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: do this. I promise you. If there's anybody else in 237 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: Washington that has a kid making a million bucks a 238 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: year from a corrupt company that is getting favors from 239 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: the Vice president of the United States, that ain't something 240 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: everybody does. Like. Look, I mean it's they're trying to 241 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: cover it up as Oh, it's Uncle Joe, it's no 242 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: big deal. This is bad stuff. This stinks. You know. 243 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: One of the things the Trump's defense team did today 244 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: is they played from the ABC clip with Hunter Biden 245 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: a component. We still don't know, by the way, how 246 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: much money Hunter Biden made. Well, we know he was 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: driving around Hollywood in a very expensive Porsche, so I 248 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: think he did pretty well well. An ABC asked him, so, 249 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: how much did this corrupt Ukrainian natural gas company pay 250 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: you while your dad was vice president? And why while 251 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: he was leading Ukraine policy for the Obama administration, And 252 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: he said, well, I'm not going to tell you. I 253 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: don't have to be open kimono. Well, do you know 254 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: that nobody knows how much he was paid with We 255 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: know it was at least eighty three thousand dollars a month, 256 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: but he's never answered that, and the house managers have 257 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: no desire to know the answer to that. Well, what's 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: so shocking to me about many of these interviews, and 259 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: that clip in particular, is the media have been going 260 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: after not just you, but a lot of Republican senators, 261 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: and they've been assailing you all for not being objective 262 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: and completely without an interest in this impeachment trial, because 263 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: you know your Republicans. Of course, in impeachment trials different 264 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: than other trials, right, you're going to have interests on 265 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: both sides. The one group that is supposed to remain 266 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: disinterested objective is the media. And then the moment you 267 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: get over the target of what this impeachment is all about, 268 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: they clearly lose their minds. Well, you know, Judge ken 269 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: Starr started the argument today and he did a very 270 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: good job of pointing out so a lot of folks 271 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: in the media like to say, oh, the senators are jurors. 272 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: That's not in fact, right. And in the Clinton impeachment trial, 273 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: a Democrat senator objected to senators being called jurors, and 274 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Chief Justice Rank quest sustain the objection. Starb actually put 275 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: it very well. The Senate is a court, which means 276 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: the Senate where the judges, where the jurors were deciding 277 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: questions of law and fact. And we're not supposed to 278 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: be disconnected from the process. The framers knew what they 279 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: were doing when they handed it to the upper Chamber 280 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: of Congress. But you know what we do need to 281 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: do is keep the focus on the actual legal question, 282 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: which is whether high crimes or misdemeanors were committed. And 283 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: it's why. Look, the fundamental answer, the reason the House 284 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: Manager's case fails and the president will be acquitted is 285 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: because presidents, it's not an impeachable offense to investigate credible 286 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: evidence of corruption. By the way, it would have been 287 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: very different if Trump had said to Ukraine, hey, would 288 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: you concoct some fake and bogus material on Joe Biden 289 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: and fraudulently accused him of something. Look, we'd have a 290 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: totally different case there, right, But that's not what he said. 291 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: All of the evidence, one hundred percent of it said 292 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: investigate what happened. This is bad Biden bragged about getting 293 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: the prosecutor fired. It is not an impeachable offense to 294 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: investigate credible evidence of corruption. That's the issue that matters, 295 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: and the press is going to try to change the subject. 296 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: You know what, this this Bolton bombshell today. It won't 297 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: be the last bombshell. We'll see another one coming up 298 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: later this week. And actually, a bunch of us in 299 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: the Judiciary Committee who went through Kavanaugh, Yeah, we were 300 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: saying we're kind of stealed to this because we saw 301 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: I remember, day after day there was another revelation. By 302 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: the end of it, they had him in high school, 303 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: like drugging people and like participating in you know, all 304 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: sorts of I mean, it got Remember Michael Avanettie, briefly 305 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: the media wanted him to be the Democratic nominee. He 306 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: was this lawyer who would go on CNN. This was 307 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: during now Justice Kavanaugh's information hearings to the Supreme Court. 308 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: It was the timing of every big scandal bombshell. It 309 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: seems so perfectly coordinated. And that's what I mean, that 310 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: is the big news of the day. Is this Bolton bombshell. 311 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're right it won't be the last. But 312 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: for those of us who don't know the inner machinations, 313 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: how this was leaked, who leaked it, Who's going to 314 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: leak the next one? I guess the question all of 315 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: us have is what happens next. Let's say that because 316 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: of this bombshell from John Bolton, we now get witnesses 317 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: and this trial drags on well passed Saturday, maybe for 318 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: weeks and weeks. What are we going to look forward 319 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: to next? So we don't know for sure. Tomorrow will 320 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: be the last day of arguments opening arguments for the 321 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: Trump legal defense team. Okay, so they'll start tomorrow at 322 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: one o'clock. Go as long as they go. Then the 323 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: next two days we're gonna have questions from senators eight 324 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: hours a day for two days. We ask questions, but 325 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: we don't get to ask them ourselves. We write them 326 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: down and the Chief Justice asked them for us. So 327 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: I will say to the folks listening to this podcast, 328 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: if you have questions that you want me to ask, 329 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: either the House managers or Trump's legal defense team, suggest 330 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: them you can. You can tweet them. I'm at Ted 331 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Cruz and just put hashtag verdict. And we are looking 332 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: at what's what's what's online on Twitter and looking for 333 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: questions that will help help focus on the issues that matter. 334 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: After the questions are over, then at the end of 335 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: the week, we're going to vote up or down our 336 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: additional witnesses necessary. If we get fifty one Senators who 337 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: say yes, then frankly, it's Katie bar the door. If 338 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: it ends up that there are four Republicans who join 339 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the Democrats and say, okay, we need to hear from 340 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: John Bolton, I think that's possible. I will give you 341 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: some good news if that happens. I'm extremely confident we 342 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: will also hear from Hunter Biden. So you don't think 343 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: there's a world in which they vote for witnesses. But 344 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: the only witness who is called is John Bolton's zero, 345 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: chancel zero. And the Democrats are terrified about that. You know, 346 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer's like, no, no no, no, we can't call Hunter Biden. 347 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: You're seeing Democratic senators going no, no, no, don't call 348 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. Look, today's testimony revealed if there's one witness 349 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: that was called, it should be Hunter Biden because he's 350 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: right at the center. And remember, the issue is not 351 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,239 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. I don't know the guy. It looks like 352 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: he's led to a pretty troubled life. The question is 353 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: not even about whether he's involved in corruption. It's about 354 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: whether his father, the vice president, who was making the 355 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: Obama administration's policy and leading it, whether he was involved 356 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: in corruption. And that's a question that goes right to 357 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the heart of Trump's asking it to be an investigated. 358 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: And I want to underscore a point we said last 359 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: week because it people may not have focused on its importance, 360 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: and it's about to become very very important. If we 361 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: have witnesses, which is if Hunter Biden has called as 362 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: a witness. If we subpoena Hunter Biden, he will almost 363 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: certainly plead the fifth He'll almost certainly come in and 364 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: say I refuse to answer questions. And he has a 365 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: right under the under the Bill of right. He doesn't 366 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: want to testify and admit to committing a crime. Here's 367 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: a piece almost nobody knows if he does that. There 368 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: is a statute that explicitly gives the Senate the power 369 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: to give him testimonial immunity, which means he would be 370 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: immune from being prosecuted for what he says in his testimony. 371 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: Why does that matter? You may think, gosh, immunity sounds 372 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: like a good thing for him, It's actually not, because 373 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: immunity means we can force him to testify, because we 374 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: want to get the evidence of what did your dad know? 375 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: You know. One of the interesting things that we heard today, 376 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: So Hunter Biden had two business partners. It's guy Devin 377 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: Archer was also on the border Barisma, and then John 378 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: Kerry's son in law. What a coincidence or not? Son 379 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: in law stepson rather and his stepson when his two 380 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: business partners joined the board. He sent an email to 381 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the State Department to his stepfather's chief of staff saying, 382 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Devin and Hunter have joined the board of Barisma. I 383 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: don't know why they did this, but I got nothing 384 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: to do with it, and he broke off doing business 385 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: with them because of their poor judgment in getting paid 386 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: millions from this corrupt company. You know, we actually got 387 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: a mail bag question specifically about the ability of the 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: Senate to force Hunter Biden to testify. And the question 389 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: comes from Susan. If the Senate forces Hunter Biden to 390 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: testify by granting him immunity, would he also receive immunity 391 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: if he perjured himself during the testimony? So if he lies, so, 392 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: immunity does not immunize you from perjury, and it doesn't 393 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: immunize you from the underlying crimes. But it does it 394 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: does prevent any prosecutor from using your testimony as evidence 395 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: against you. Well, then there's a similar follow up. And 396 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: by the way, the way the statute works is the 397 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: Senate fifty one senators vote to grant immunity. We then 398 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: have to go to a federal district court and file 399 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: that But the District Court has to grant it. Right, 400 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: it's mandator into the statute that I've seen that nowhere 401 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: in the press. Obviously, I think Hunter Biden's probably sweating 402 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: about that, and the Democrats in the House are probably sweating. 403 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is sweating more. And by the way, I'll 404 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: tell you some of the happiest faces in that Senate 405 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: where Bernie, Elizabeth Warren and Klobuchar. Now, I mean they 406 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: this was a bad, bad day for the House Democrats case, 407 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: but also for Joe Biden was this was not pretty. 408 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: So let's say President Trump gets off the hook, he 409 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: is not removed from office. Matthew asks, does the Fifth 410 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: Amendment regarding double jeopardy attach? Should the Senate exonerate the president? 411 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: Can the president be tried again for the same articles. 412 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen that situation in history. 413 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: So impeachment and prosecution for chrim defense are two different matters. 414 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: So yes, you can be tried separate. Now, you've got 415 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: to prove a crime. You got to prove beyond a 416 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. And amazingly enough, the House managers have an 417 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: alleged a crime. It's one of the things actually, Alan Dershowitz. 418 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz at the end did a really good job 419 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: of walking through the constitutional history that you can't high 420 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: crimes or misdemeanors, requires that you prove that the president 421 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: has committed a crime on the order of treason or bribery, 422 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: because that's what the Constitution said, And it was very interesting. 423 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz walked through a couple of other provisions of 424 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: the Constitution which almost no one knows who's looked at this. 425 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: So you know the impeachment clause, but there are two 426 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: other places where impeachment is referenced in the Constitution beyond 427 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: the power of impeachment and the trial. The impeachment clause 428 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: just saying that the Congress has the power to impeach 429 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: the president and the Senate will conduct the trial. And 430 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: actually the Constitution uses the word soul twice says the 431 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: House has the sole power of impeachment and the Senate 432 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: has the sole power to try impeachment. So the only 433 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: times the word sol is used in the Constitution concerns impeachment. 434 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: But there are two other references. Number one in Article 435 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: two concerns the presidency. It gives the president the power 436 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: to grant pardons and reprieves for offenses against the United 437 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: States except in cases of impeachment. So the president can't 438 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: pardon impeachment. But it also says offenses against the United 439 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: States which are crimes. In Article three of the Constitution, 440 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: which concerns the judiciary, the Constitution says trial of all crimes, 441 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury. Now, 442 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: what does that imply? Impeachment are crimes, And so the 443 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: House Democrats have admitted that they aren't alleging a crime. 444 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: So this is a unique historical situation inasmuch as we 445 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: have the impeachment going on, but when the Congress impeach 446 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: the president, they did not accuse him of a crime. 447 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: So are you saying we're just in uncharted territory. We are. 448 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: It has never happened in history that a president has 449 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: been impeached without the article's alleging he's committed a crime. 450 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: And actually, something ken Starr said that was really powerful. 451 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: We have never before in history seen a president impeached 452 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: on a pure partisan vote. Only Democrats voted for it. 453 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: And ken Starr made a great point. You know, the 454 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Constitution requires for conviction to remove a President two thirds 455 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: of the Senate. Impeachment was supposed to be a consensus, 456 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: a national consensus that this crosses a high threshold. There 457 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: ain't that consensus, and so fighting this is just a 458 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: partisan battle. The way the Democrats are doing is wrong. 459 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: You know. The conclusion I draw from all of this 460 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: is one of anxiety because we are in uncharted territory here. 461 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to make the question time on 462 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Thursday so important. So please, to all of our listeners, 463 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: get your questions in, tweet them at Ted Cruz, use 464 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: the hashtag verdict, and we will try to get those 465 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: questions asked during the impeachment trial. Then you can come 466 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: back here afterwards. You know this is an early night, 467 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: it's not even midnight yet. You've made it over from 468 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the Capitol and we will go through all of it. Then, 469 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: thank you. Two things I want to follow up on 470 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: quickly because I have been given an assignment. Okay, so 471 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: last week you'll recall I mentioned that I brought up 472 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: with Caroline, my eleven year old daughter, when we had 473 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: risen to the number three podcasts in the country. I 474 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: called her and told her and she said, Dad, I 475 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: really don't care. So I got home Saturday night. Sunday yesterday, 476 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: I was home and I told Caroline, you know, we 477 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: rose from number three all the way to number one, 478 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: and look, I thought that was kind of you know, 479 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, trying to like, you know, get my daughter 480 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: to think that's cool. And she said, I know, and 481 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: you passed Joe Rogan. And she said, and Joe Rogan 482 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: interviewed Robert Downey Junior, and that's the coolest thing in 483 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: the world. Caroline is like obsessed with Iron Man and 484 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: she's like, if he interviewed Robert Downey Junior. I don't 485 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: know how you passed him, Dad, I don't know how 486 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: that happened, but that's really cool. That's six to agrees 487 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: of Kevin Bacon. And I gotta say, for any dat 488 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: of an eleven year old, it is really hard to 489 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: like impress an eleven year old with anything. So I 490 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: thought it was very cool that passing Joe Rogan did 491 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: it with Caroline Cruise and that that made me pretty happy. 492 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: And there's a coincidence we passed Joe Rogan's show with 493 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: this show Verdict with Ted Cruz just about a day 494 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: or two after Joe endorsed Bernie Sanders is that a coincidence? Look, 495 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: I think it's it's cause and effect. But let me said, 496 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: everyone listening, if you haven't subscribed and signed up for 497 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: this podcast going forward, please do because because this uh, 498 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: we're having fun, we really appreciate it, and it looks 499 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: like with everything and uncertainty, I'll probably being stuck in 500 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: DC for quite a while now, so be sure to 501 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: tune back. I'm Michael Knowles. 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