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Speaker 1: So this episode is a bit of a mashup. I
Speaker 1: have some data, I have an interview, and I have
Speaker 1: some fascinating DC gossip that I think you'll all really like,
Speaker 1: and then of course ask me anything. So first on
Speaker 1: the data. Everyone is talking about the New York Times
Speaker 1: article about voter registration and the Democrats numbers plummeting nationwide. Now,
Speaker 1: for those who listen to the show very often, I
Speaker 1: have talked about this a lot New Jersey in California especially,
Speaker 1: and how it has reflected poorly on the Democratic Party. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: most Americans don't listen to this podcast. So the Times
Speaker 1: article seems like it's brand new, and I want to
Speaker 1: go through the information really explain it to you in
Speaker 1: a deep way. The article is by Shane Goldmacher and
Speaker 1: Jonah Smith. I'm not familiar with Jonah Smith, but Shane's
Speaker 1: a very solid journalist. I actually invite him on this podcast.
Speaker 1: So he writes the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long
Speaker 1: before they even go to the poles. Of the thirties
Speaker 1: dates that track to registration by political party, Democrats lost
Speaker 1: ground to Republicans in every single one between twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four, often by a lot. The four
Speaker 1: year swing towards Republicans add up to four point five
Speaker 1: million voters, a deep political hole that could take Democrats
Speaker 1: years to climb out for out of And they use
Speaker 1: L two data to cite this.
Speaker 2: All I've used L two. L two is just a
Speaker 2: voter data company.
Speaker 1: So basically, if I say, hey, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a school board election in lim Brook, Long Island, or
Speaker 1: whatever the case is, L two can provide me data
Speaker 1: of who's likely to vote most most often, what party
Speaker 1: they're registered under. It's a good company anyway. They use
Speaker 1: that data to justify what they're talking about. So a
Speaker 1: little background in fact, For the first instance, twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: more new voters nationwide chose to be Republicans than Democrats
Speaker 1: last year. All told, Democrats lost two point one million
Speaker 1: registered voters between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four in
Speaker 1: those thirty states that allow people to register by political party,
Speaker 1: and Republicans gain two point four million. Consider this, In
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Democrats accounted for thirty four percent of new
Speaker 1: voter registrations nationwide. Republicans were only twenty get In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, Republicans had overtaken Democrats. For years, the left
Speaker 1: had relied on sprawling network of nonprofits which solicit donations
Speaker 1: from people whose identities they do not disclose, to register
Speaker 1: black and Latino young voters. Though the groups are technically nonpartisan,
Speaker 1: there is an underlying assumption that most of these voters
Speaker 1: will be Democrat. You can't just register young Latino or
Speaker 1: young black voter and assume that they're going to know
Speaker 1: that it's Democrat and that they have the best policies,
Speaker 1: says MS. Cardona, who is a liberal person. Okay, so
Speaker 1: stop right there with the article. Buck Sexton had mentioned
Speaker 1: this in his podcast, and he was one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: Liberals have been scamming tax nonprofit statuses for years to
Speaker 1: bolster Democratic voter registration. They knew that going into major
Speaker 1: urban areas and looking for someone with dark skin would
Speaker 1: be a positive assumption that they are more than likely
Speaker 1: than not to be Democrat, and probably nine times out
Speaker 1: of ten in many cases. But these nonprofits, and I
Speaker 1: give them credit, I mean, listen, they have worked the
Speaker 1: system for a long time to give tax breaks to
Speaker 1: these liberal donors. Basically, a liberal donor will give a
Speaker 1: nonprofit a million dollars or however how much they get
Speaker 1: to write off on their taxes as being you know,
Speaker 1: beneficial to society, and Democrats get more into registered voters.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least Scott Presler has a super pack
Speaker 1: where he doesn't get a tax break, you know, for
Speaker 1: registering Republicans. This is explicitly using the tax code to
Speaker 1: benefit to benefit Democrats. They claim that the reason they
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore though in the same capacity that
Speaker 1: they used to, is because of President Trump and how
Speaker 1: President Trump has changed the parties. So what they're missing
Speaker 1: from the story, what Democrats are missing from this narrative,
Speaker 1: And with the New York Times reporters, and they're good reporters,
Speaker 1: but what they're missing from this is that this didn't
Speaker 1: happen between twenty and twenty four. It did partially, but
Speaker 1: this has been going on for a long time, right,
Speaker 1: this at least the last four election cycles. So there's
Speaker 1: for a liberal firm called Catalyst, and they did this
Speaker 1: big breakdown of the twenty twenty four election in the
Speaker 1: past four elections, specifically looking at young minorities Democrats. This
Speaker 1: is among young black men, young black men being those
Speaker 1: who are under thirty years old. Democrats won ninety four
Speaker 1: percent of young black men in twenty twelve, ninety percent
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, eighty five percent in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: seventy five percent in twenty twenty four. That means that
Speaker 1: a quote nonprofit that is registering voters in the inner city,
Speaker 1: and they're almost all likely Black or Latino, they had
Speaker 1: a chance for every twenty five people they registered to
Speaker 1: vote in one of the two major political parties, twenty
Speaker 1: four of them would be guaranteed Democrats young Black men
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five twelve years ago. It's not
Speaker 1: that long ago, but a little by little it's been
Speaker 1: taken away. For young Hispanic it's been young Hispanic men. Rather,
Speaker 1: it's been even more extreme. Democrats went from winning seventy
Speaker 1: one percent of young Latino men in twenty twelve to
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent in twenty sixteen, to sixty three percent
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, to forty seven percent in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: It's all according to catalyst, and I want to point
Speaker 1: out that it is a trend because it is important
Speaker 1: to notice. Very few major political changes happen overnight. Right
Speaker 1: even the white working classes changed for Republicans. The last
Speaker 1: time that there was a overnight transformation, I would say
Speaker 1: would be like Cubans in the nineteen sixty who did
Speaker 1: change overnight with the Cuban missile crisis and the Bay
Speaker 1: of Pigs, like it was a overnight transformation. But that's
Speaker 1: probably the last one. It's probably the last time there
Speaker 1: was an overnight transformation of a specific demographic for a
Speaker 1: specific reason, because Democrats among young black men lost four
Speaker 1: percent between twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, five percent from
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, and ten percent from twenty
Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty four. Among young Latino men four percent
Speaker 1: from twenty twelve, four percent from twenty sixteen, and then
Speaker 1: sixteen percent between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. They
Speaker 1: had that shift going on, they just refused to notice
Speaker 1: it until it was too big, and not to notice
Speaker 1: until instead of going from twenty four out of twenty
Speaker 1: five young black men being Democrats to being three out
Speaker 1: of four, which is substantially less, and they don't want
Speaker 1: to risk bolstering so many more Republicans. Okay, back to
Speaker 1: the article not so long ago. In twenty eighteen, democrats
Speaker 1: accounted for sixty six percent of new voters under forty
Speaker 1: five who registered with one of the two major parties.
Speaker 1: Yet in twenty twenty four, that share has fallen to
Speaker 1: forty eight percent. In other words, Republicans went from roughly
Speaker 1: one third of newly registered voters under forty five to
Speaker 1: a majority in over six years. The story is leaker
Speaker 1: for Democrats in some key states. In Nevada, which releases
Speaker 1: particular detailed data, Republicans added twice as many voters under
Speaker 1: thirty five as Democrats did. The shift among men is
Speaker 1: substantially different. From nearly forty nine percent of newly registered
Speaker 1: voters and a major party chose the Democrats in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: that number went to thirty nine percent in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I want to focus on men because that's really where
Speaker 1: you're seeing these crazy numbers. Zachary Donini, who I've had
Speaker 1: on this podcast. He is a data scientist for Decision Desk.
Speaker 1: He posted that young white men, young white men, those
Speaker 1: being probably under thirty, definitely under thirty, maybe even under
Speaker 1: twenty five, are really the catalyst. Now there's a big
Speaker 1: shift among young Latinos. They're a majority of young Latino
Speaker 1: men voting, registering Republican one in four young black men.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about young white men for
Speaker 1: a second, because it is the biggest demographic among young
Speaker 1: men in this country. Young white men, according to Ainy,
Speaker 1: are registering or a Republican at an on precedented level.
Speaker 1: White men born in the eighties and early nineties, my
Speaker 1: generation right, who came of age when George W. Bush
Speaker 1: was president, and I know some people like him. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a horrible president. But they almost broke
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty Democrat Republican white men, which is like
Speaker 1: the Republican's key demographic. It was really bad when they
Speaker 1: started registering voting because the other the Iraq War, and
Speaker 1: Bush was just horrible. Now, young white men who register
Speaker 1: for one of the two major parties register seventy one
Speaker 1: to twenty nine Republican. It is the highest amount of
Speaker 1: any generation recorded since the nineteen thirties. Seventy one to
Speaker 1: twenty nine. That is fifty That was almost fifty points,
Speaker 1: or it's forty five points, whatever, it's forty two. Sorry,
Speaker 1: my internal math numbers coup in catching up forty two points.
Speaker 1: So although it's a six point Republican majority among young Latinos,
Speaker 1: and it's they're losing young young blacks by fifty points
Speaker 1: instead of you know, ninety two points. That forty two
Speaker 1: point bump for young white men is the game. It's
Speaker 1: it's that that is the number game. That is their path.
Speaker 1: As they continue to vote, as they vote more frequently,
Speaker 1: as they start paying taxes and becoming older and being
Speaker 1: more involved, that is the game for Republicans to grow substantially.
Speaker 1: Growing up hearing that you're a cancer for being a
Speaker 1: young white man, being you're part of the patriarchy, you
Speaker 1: are responsible for the victimhood of all generations throughout history,
Speaker 1: absolutely propelled this group of people. And even young white women,
Speaker 1: by the way, register a majority Republican fifty three to
Speaker 1: forty seven. Obviously not nearly as much as men. But
Speaker 1: it's not what you would think watching the internet where
Speaker 1: you see that all these like blue haired, short shaped,
Speaker 1: you know, white women who are all screaming about abortion progressive.
Speaker 1: No majority white women, young white women are registering Republican. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to remind you all that the trend of
Speaker 1: young people and minorities moving to the right is not
Speaker 1: isolated to America. We're seeing trends among minorities in basically
Speaker 1: every part of the Anglo world, in Australia, in Canada
Speaker 1: and the UK, more and more, especially Indian and Arab
Speaker 1: immigrant children who are registering to vote in those countries
Speaker 1: are increasingly voting for the Republican like party of the
Speaker 1: Tories or the Canadian Conservative Party or whatnot. Zachary Dnini
Speaker 1: once again, he actually looked at the name Mohammad, which
Speaker 1: is Zachary is so smart. He looked at the name
Speaker 1: Mohammad because it's obviously a very specific ethnicity, it's a
Speaker 1: very specific religion. Men who were born in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: with the name Mohammad registered eighty eight to twelve Democrat.
Speaker 1: Men born in two thousand and five with the name
Speaker 1: Mohammad registered fifty nine forty one Democrat. Look at that
Speaker 1: drop with this demo graphic, and this is a demographic
Speaker 1: who probably is pro Gaza, probably is or on the
Speaker 1: side of the palace stating and people. Rather, this is
Speaker 1: a demographic who has a lot in common on its
Speaker 1: space of the Democratic Party, and yet they are abandoning
Speaker 1: them because the people who run the Democra Party aren't
Speaker 1: screaming college educated women or black activists saying you should
Speaker 1: feel bad. I need reparations, I am the victim, or
Speaker 1: don't you shouldn't arrest somebody for burning down a building,
Speaker 1: burning down a school, not a school, but you know,
Speaker 1: a store or whatever. Now let's look at some key states,
Speaker 1: because remember, only thirty states have registered people by party registration. Okay,
Speaker 1: so places like Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, they don't register
Speaker 1: people by party. I wish they did it make my
Speaker 1: life a lot easier, but they don't. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to go over a few states because I think that
Speaker 1: that's important, just to highlight a few. One last thing
Speaker 1: voter registration except for new voters. Right, if you're eighteen
Speaker 1: in registering for the first time, you obviously didn't change party.
Speaker 1: But if you are changing parties and you're thirty, you're
Speaker 1: forty or fifty or sixty or whatever, it is the
Speaker 1: last thing to do before you've been a full transformation
Speaker 1: from one party to the other. In other words, no
Speaker 1: one who at fifty five years old, who has voted
Speaker 1: most of their life, who's re registering party registration as
Speaker 1: a Republican is because they're voting Republican for the first
Speaker 1: time ever. And not in most cases. Rather, so you're
Speaker 1: likely have voted Republican. If you're a demok registered Democrat
Speaker 1: and you're making the switch or vice versa, you have
Speaker 1: voted Republican for ten years, but you're friendly changing parties.
Speaker 1: So it's the last thing that ever ends up happening. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's look at West Virginia because it is the
Speaker 1: most extreme cases. It's not a swing state that on
Speaker 1: many congressional seats, but it is the It's almost all white,
Speaker 1: it is working class, very little college education, and it
Speaker 1: is a zeitgeist into the or it is a it
Speaker 1: is a it is a perfect analogy into the broader
Speaker 1: crisis democrats are having with white working class people. Remember
Speaker 1: West Virginia, for as Republican as it is now, was
Speaker 1: one of the few states that Jimmy Carter won over
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty. It is a state that
Speaker 1: voted for Bill Clinton twice. It is a state that
Speaker 1: probably if Hillary Clinton was the nomine in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, she'd be competitive, and Al Gore almost won
Speaker 1: it in two thousand, so that's not that long ago.
Speaker 1: It was a solid, solid democratic state, more democratic than
Speaker 1: like New Jersey, was from twenty sixteen until August twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, Democrats lost forty one point five percent of
Speaker 1: all their registered voters in that state forty forty one
Speaker 1: point five percent. Republicans grew their registration by twenty six percent.
Speaker 1: And I'm using twenty sixteen right, which is different than
Speaker 1: the New York Times article, because here's what happened. Between
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. Most state Democratic parties saw
Speaker 1: a big bump because it was you know, Trump's in power,
Speaker 1: it's fascism, it's you know, everyone puts your pink pussy
Speaker 1: hats on and sit there and start screaming into the
Speaker 1: wild like that was happening for those four years, and
Speaker 1: that bolster Democrat registration, and then twenty twenty happens. Obviously, yes,
Speaker 1: Biden's in charge, but the great wokeism happens, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's being me tooed and everyone's being canceled, and everyone's
Speaker 1: are racist, and you know, we have to have the
Speaker 1: trans bathing suits for six year olds of target. All
Speaker 1: that stuff happens post twenty twenty. But I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the long view from twenty sixteen. Okay, in Nevada, since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, No Democrats have actually grown their voter registration
Speaker 1: in Nevada. Nevada is a very fast growing state, so
Speaker 1: this makes sense. Democrats gained thirty three thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: registered voters. Republicans gained almost one hundred and nineteen thousand
Speaker 1: registered Republicans. In New Hampshire, a semi swing state which
Speaker 1: has Republican local government Democrat federal government, Democrats have lost
Speaker 1: five percent of all their registered voters, Republicans have gained.
Speaker 1: Republicans actually have a plurality of all or sorry, they
Speaker 1: have more registered Republicans in the state of New Hampshire
Speaker 1: than Demorcrats. In Pennsylvania, the most important swing state in
Speaker 1: the country, Democrats have lost sixteen percent of all their
Speaker 1: registered voters since twenty sixteen. Republicans have gained six percent.
Speaker 1: I have increased their popular their numbers by six percent.
Speaker 1: You have to two things. Democrats had nine hundred thousand
Speaker 1: more registered voters than Republicans in twenty sixteen. That's down
Speaker 1: to fifty nine thousand this time. And Scott Presser has
Speaker 1: done a lot of work and people have done a
Speaker 1: lot of work in Pennsylvania. But there's one thing that
Speaker 1: no one ever talks about, and I want to talk
Speaker 1: about it for one second, about Pennsylvania specifically. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: there was an article I think it was my, it
Speaker 1: was my Nate Cohen, it was by It was in
Speaker 1: five point thirty eight. It's called like the missing white voter.
Speaker 1: If Trump can find them, there are there were. As
Speaker 1: a twenty sixteen there were forty four million non college
Speaker 1: educated white Americans who were not registered to vote, and
Speaker 1: million of them lived in one state in particular, and
Speaker 1: that was Pennsylvania. So what happened in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: that didn't really make a lot of national news, Well,
Speaker 1: Governor Josh Shapiro announced automatic voter registration for people when
Speaker 1: they get driver's licenses, So everyone who renews, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden has to register, vote, and register in a
Speaker 1: major political party. And though the decline for the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party was happening before that happened, it expedited the process.
Speaker 1: Republicans started gaining thousands more than Democrats after that happened
Speaker 1: because all the non college educated white Americans who never
Speaker 1: bothered to vote, but all of a sudden it had
Speaker 1: to register to vote, who were registering Republican in huge numbers,
Speaker 1: and that was a major game changer in Pennsylvania that
Speaker 1: I think Joshapiro did not think long terms. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you would have done the same thing over
Speaker 1: again if he would have known how horrible it was
Speaker 1: for his party, last, but not least, the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: Because this is I mean, this is this is the
Speaker 1: whole kit and kaboodle. Democrats in twenty sixteen and three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand more registered members of their party
Speaker 1: than Republicans. And since twenty sixteen, Democrats lost seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand registered members their party and Republicans gained one million,
Speaker 1: one million. It is a collapse of a party that
Speaker 1: has no chance in the third largest day in this
Speaker 1: country for a very, very, very long time. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how you rebuild a party in that kind
Speaker 1: of situation. And once again, the differs from what I'm
Speaker 1: saying in the New York Times. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: long view, looking since twenty sixteen, because I think that
Speaker 1: it's important to see that even when you count the
Speaker 1: resist Trump voter surge that happened when you know he
Speaker 1: first took office and Madonna sanctioned to blow up the
Speaker 1: White House and all the rest of it, and Kathy
Speaker 1: Griffin is holding up a you know, is a fake
Speaker 1: head and is bleeding, even when you include that Democrats
Speaker 1: are in a worse place years later, even when you
Speaker 1: consider all of that. Okay, that's enough for the data.
Speaker 1: I have a great interesting guest coming up next. I
Speaker 1: saw him online and I was like, I got to
Speaker 1: talk to this kid. I think you guys would find
Speaker 1: him fascinating. That's coming up right after this. So I
Speaker 1: was scrolling on Twitter a couple of days ago, maybe
Speaker 1: a wee could go now, and I came across this
Speaker 1: episode of Jubilee. It's this kind of crazy website where
Speaker 1: twenty people scream at one person, and there was an
Speaker 1: activist by name Amanda Seals. I think I'm pouncing her
Speaker 1: last thing correctly, and she was debating twenty black conservatives
Speaker 1: and this young man, Matt Nuclear who's with us today,
Speaker 1: was on and he was really smart and came across
Speaker 1: really thought provoking, and I want to have him on
Speaker 1: the pod and talk about the debate experience and how
Speaker 1: he became such a well spoken conservative. And you're eighteen
Speaker 1: years old, right.
Speaker 2: Matt, I Indiana, i'ma maintained, I'm turning nineteen in two months,
Speaker 2: So how did you get invited to Jubilee. I've been
Speaker 2: doing like TikTok live debates for a bit, and I
Speaker 2: believe that they invited me from that specifically. It's not
Speaker 2: like I asked them to come on. And I was
Speaker 2: supposed to originally do a different episode that was canceled.
Speaker 2: But because they, you know, like my performance on the
Speaker 2: episode that got canceled, they invited me back to debate
Speaker 2: a radical, you know, black person, and I was like, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 1: So how long are you there for? By the way,
Speaker 1: is it hours and hours? I believe I believe that
Speaker 1: was three hours or two hours?
Speaker 2: It was that long. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now Amanda I never heard of Amanda Steals before.
Speaker 1: Her position was.
Speaker 2: What her position essentially was that reparations were just and necessary.
Speaker 2: I mean she's also now came out and to that
Speaker 2: black on black crime does not exist and it's not
Speaker 2: something of any relevancy whatsoever. And essentially that you know,
Speaker 2: black people are being oppressed by white people and this
Speaker 2: is why these sort of disparities exist.
Speaker 1: Now, you were you were really really smart, and how
Speaker 1: you came across what was your biggest oppositions to what
Speaker 1: she said?
Speaker 2: Are you naturally very conservative? Yeah, I am typically very
Speaker 2: conservative on basically almost everything, Okay, but I just naturally
Speaker 2: opposed to these handout to that this really isn't going
Speaker 2: to fix any problem. Like I told her, if you
Speaker 2: hand every black person fifty thousand dollars check in America,
Speaker 2: it isn't really going to increase the median huscle income
Speaker 2: by any significant amount in the next decade or two.
Speaker 2: It's not really going to change anything significantly. What we
Speaker 2: need to do is bring back the black nuclear family
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, stop the issues and reference
Speaker 2: to violence and reference to gain crime, and then we
Speaker 2: can see some improvements. But this idea that handing people
Speaker 2: a check is going to change something radically is just humorous.
Speaker 1: Now, how was she packs each other? I think you
Speaker 1: dm me said that she wanted to cut you off,
Speaker 1: or she didn't want parts of what you said aired right.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's she just didn't want to debate me.
Speaker 2: Like there was a point where, like I said, redlining
Speaker 2: didn't exist to the extent that you know, they tried
Speaker 2: to act as if it existed, and you didn't want
Speaker 2: to debate me right there, Like she literally asked the
Speaker 2: producers just not to debate me, and so they, well,
Speaker 2: they just wanted her to just finish that debate. They
Speaker 2: try to encourage her to just finish that debate. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean she kept threatening to quit debating a lot
Speaker 2: of people, like multiple different times during the break. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was it was insane. But that's that's wild, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I don't and this would never happen with a white
Speaker 1: conservative versus white liberal, but she did it to you.
Speaker 1: She said at one point, talk to me like I'm
Speaker 1: your mama or something. We would never say that to
Speaker 1: each other. What was your reaction when.
Speaker 2: She said that? Well, I just thought, like, what is
Speaker 2: what is going on with this woman? Like is is
Speaker 2: she okay in the head? Like, I don't know how
Speaker 2: that's a normal thing you can say to someone, like
Speaker 2: we're having a conversation and someone makes an argument and
Speaker 2: you are like, you know, speak to me as if
Speaker 2: I was your mama, Like, well, who says things like that.
Speaker 2: It's not a normal thing to say. And I remember
Speaker 2: watching the Megan Kelly Show. There was a guy on
Speaker 2: there who was like, when if I told someone, you know,
Speaker 2: speak to me as if I was their father during
Speaker 2: the middle of a conversation doesn't really make any sense.
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. And yeah, that's a weird way
Speaker 2: to respond to someone's argument, is they should treat you
Speaker 2: or speak to you as if they were you know
Speaker 2: the mother WHOA sorry, it's just so weird.
Speaker 1: What was was her?
Speaker 2: A lot of her arguments?
Speaker 1: I mean, there were grains from what I heard of it.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the entire episode.
Speaker 1: I literally just watched your segment because I thought you
Speaker 1: were really really well spoken, especially for such a young
Speaker 1: man and who doesn't do this for a living. There
Speaker 1: were like grains of truth and then a lot of
Speaker 1: emotional attachment to that. Is that what you found when
Speaker 1: she was talking to you?
Speaker 2: I think so. But I didn't really find that a
Speaker 2: lot of grains of truth really either. I mean, she
Speaker 2: try to act as if black people are still not
Speaker 2: considered what like a full person in America, which obviously
Speaker 2: isn't true. So yeah, I mean, it was not a
Speaker 2: lot of truth. And when, to be honest, I have
Speaker 2: a hypothesis.
Speaker 1: So I'm from Queens, New York, where most Black Americans
Speaker 1: living in my county are immigrants right there from Jamaica, Caribbean,
Speaker 1: they have the highest household income of any group of people, right,
Speaker 1: I mean far so exceeding even white This is according
Speaker 1: to the New York Times. You're an immigrant from I
Speaker 1: think Angola, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came from America in six.
Speaker 1: So do you think because you were not broad? Maybe
Speaker 1: you were, but were you.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 1: Kind of thrown at what you expect of the black
Speaker 1: experience in America in the same way that maybe somebody
Speaker 1: who's general, who's been here for generations would have been.
Speaker 1: Or maybe because because immigrants from Africa, not all of Africa,
Speaker 1: like Sudan and Somalians are not really exceeding, but but
Speaker 1: immigrants from Jamaica, Angla, black immigrant from Jamaica and gol
Speaker 1: a place like that, Nigeria, they do Kenya, they exceed
Speaker 1: Black Americans who have been here since slavery. Do you
Speaker 1: think because having a more immigrant experience had brought you
Speaker 1: different kinds of potential and different kinds of understanding what
Speaker 1: it's like to be an American maybe change why you're
Speaker 1: more conservative?
Speaker 2: Is that part? I think? I think it may have
Speaker 2: influenced me a little bit, But I just have to
Speaker 2: preface it by saying I was raised here. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been living here since I was six years old.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people, not a lot of people
Speaker 2: can tell you, you know, what they were doing prior to
Speaker 2: the age of six, or even remember a lot of
Speaker 2: those things, right, So the only difference was is that
Speaker 2: I was raised in Maine, which is like a significant
Speaker 2: majority white state, although I did live around a black
Speaker 2: immigrant community as well, and you know, I was taught
Speaker 2: you know, by my parents, I should respect this country,
Speaker 2: I should be grateful for being in this country. And
Speaker 2: so I've always had this kind of like appreciative look
Speaker 2: on America and its founding in general, where a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, people like a man Oficios obviously are
Speaker 2: not very appreciative at all, And that might be some
Speaker 2: of the distinctions and some of the differences. But apart
Speaker 2: from that, yeah, I think my experience.
Speaker 1: When I when I said the Emmergan experience, I more
Speaker 1: meant in your parents than you, Yeah, because your parents
Speaker 1: would have probably been more like, you need to hustle
Speaker 1: and make it and do everything that you possibly can.
Speaker 1: Have a different appreciation than somebody.
Speaker 2: Who's kind of been.
Speaker 1: Rightly or wrongly kind of bay them multi generational of
Speaker 1: like feelings of you know, you're a victim. You're a victim,
Speaker 1: and also every institution will rewards you for believing you're
Speaker 1: a victim.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, my parents, especially my mother has always told
Speaker 2: me to be appreciative of this country and to always
Speaker 2: look back at you know, where people in Engla, the
Speaker 2: DRC or an id year it currently are. And so
Speaker 2: that's that's one of the reasons why I have been
Speaker 2: a conservative or someone who is proud of this country
Speaker 2: is because of the opportunity this country has given me
Speaker 2: and the opportunity this country has given Black Americans. They
Speaker 2: should be very much proud too. I don't get the
Speaker 2: entitlement because while they may be making I don't know
Speaker 2: on average, I don't know, is it thirty six thousany
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year? There are people are living
Speaker 2: off of a dollar a year right now, right our
Speaker 2: people in Africa. So it's like very much. You got
Speaker 2: to be very much appreciative, right, I mean, you would
Speaker 2: much rather be a black black in America than black
Speaker 2: and Sudan. Right. Try to act as if they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: They try to act as if it's like there's always
Speaker 2: this constant mention of the transatlantic slave trade, which did happen.
Speaker 2: But let's be honest, Like when the Europeans were sailing south,
Speaker 2: either from North America or whatever, It's not like they
Speaker 2: would sail all the way down to Subseran African to
Speaker 2: start grabbing people, grabbing these Africans who are running constantly.
Speaker 2: That's not something that is even it makes any sense.
Speaker 2: These people were already brought as slaves by other African
Speaker 2: rulers of the coast because they knew Europeans would be
Speaker 2: there ready to trade, you know, give them items, gun
Speaker 2: and stuff like that for these slaves. It's the majority
Speaker 2: of these slaves were brought by Sub Saharan Africans themselves, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, really didn't want the transit land slave
Speaker 2: trade to end because they were enriching themselves, which she
Speaker 2: failed to understand with her you know degree in that
Speaker 2: African American studies.
Speaker 1: Do you have you been to Angle since moving here?
Speaker 2: No? No, no Ah, you've ever been back? Okay.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if there was a different opinion of
Speaker 1: black slavery in Africa versus America. I'm sure there is.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what is I've never been in Africa,
Speaker 1: but I just something that kind of popped in my head.
Speaker 1: What you know, I've been doing this whole thing today
Speaker 1: about the New York Times piece about voter registration right,
Speaker 1: and how voter registration has changed away from Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: especially for specifically young men. You are a young man,
Speaker 1: you're eighteen years old. Is this something that you have
Speaker 1: noticed a phenomenon among other young men in your age group?
Speaker 1: Because young men, young black men went from voting I
Speaker 1: think ninety six percent for Democrats in twenty twelve just
Speaker 1: something like seventy five percent. So I went from like
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five to one in four. We're
Speaker 1: voting republic when I was twenty five, voting Republican twelve
Speaker 1: years ago, when you were like six, and now it's
Speaker 1: like one in four. That's a hu tremendous growth. Is
Speaker 1: that something that you've seen among other like this growth
Speaker 1: of it, this acceptance, is normalization something you've seen among
Speaker 1: other young men your age?
Speaker 2: I definitely have seen it. And the reason obvious for
Speaker 2: why this is the case is because the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: really isn't giving any solutions. All they are doing is
Speaker 2: telling black people that you're a perpetual victim, and to
Speaker 2: freak out whenever there is a white man or a
Speaker 2: white police officer who want alives you when we have
Speaker 2: you know, black men being unlived every single day in America,
Speaker 2: And it's really a hypocritical perspective to act as if
Speaker 2: it is, you know, this atrocity, this significant injustice when
Speaker 2: you don't come outside every day when there are black
Speaker 2: men being un alive in southside Chicago. So are you
Speaker 2: really black lives matter? Or are you trying to just
Speaker 2: make white people look bad? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you grew up in Maine, you said, which
Speaker 1: is a fairly liberal state. It's not the most liberal.
Speaker 1: It's not Vermont, it's really liberal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you what do you like when you speak to
Speaker 1: like young, younger white people who have a tremendous level
Speaker 1: of white guilt or like they're extremely woke around race relations.
Speaker 1: How do you approach that? Because you know a lot
Speaker 1: more I feel like than the average person on even
Speaker 1: like slavery, with what you mentioned today, Yeah, I try
Speaker 1: to approach with just some like basic questions.
Speaker 2: You know that do you ever participate in slavery? Do
Speaker 2: you believe in generational punishment? Right? Countries like North Korea
Speaker 2: have like the three generational rule where if you know
Speaker 2: you do something, your children will suffer and you know
Speaker 2: your your father will suffer or something like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't you shouldn't have to pay for the consequences
Speaker 2: of your ancestors. Not to mention, many of these white
Speaker 2: people today did arrive as immigrants in the seventeen hundreds
Speaker 2: or eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, so a lot of
Speaker 2: them weren't even you know, their their family lineage, weren't
Speaker 2: even owning any slaves. They should still have to pay reparations.
Speaker 2: A lot of this is fallacious, and there has been
Speaker 2: reparations in terms of investment in low income black communities already.
Speaker 2: For example, I'm pretty sure what is they have Baltimore.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Baltimore public schools, it's twenty two thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred like dollars per students. There in Utah it's
Speaker 2: like half that, with like eleven thousand per student. And
Speaker 2: yet there's a big difference in like you know, test scores,
Speaker 2: in like school outcomes and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: So it's not even just funding. A lot of this
Speaker 2: has to do with, you know, the nuclear family, with
Speaker 2: prioritizing education, with having a father in the home, like
Speaker 2: all of those different other factors. We just know that
Speaker 2: pumping money into things just doesn't fix issues as long
Speaker 2: as much as like I know, that's what democrats want
Speaker 2: to hear and what leftists want to hear, that if
Speaker 2: you just pump money into these different things and don't
Speaker 2: focus on any cultural problems because there is no cultural
Speaker 2: problems according to the left, that that will fix the issue.
Speaker 2: But it just doesn't prove to be true.
Speaker 1: It's basically everything in Thomasaul has been saying for eighty
Speaker 1: five years. What did you ever read him?
Speaker 2: By the way, yes, Thomas Soul, He's also a big inspiration.
Speaker 1: Where did you get your concern? I mean you said
Speaker 1: your parents, but like where did you learn things from
Speaker 1: the internet mostly or did you read or.
Speaker 2: I think a combination of a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: I've looked into Ben Carson, Thomas Soul, and I've just
Speaker 2: done a lot of a decent amount of reading. Not
Speaker 2: I would say, like a crazy amount of ring, but
Speaker 2: I've done decent amount of reading in general. In reference
Speaker 2: to looking at things online, looking at statistics, looking at
Speaker 2: the facts, looking at the data, and then just starting
Speaker 2: to kind of figure things out, right, like one set up,
Speaker 2: one step at a time, trying to figure things out.
Speaker 2: And then middle started tiktoking your opinion right, just started Yeah,
Speaker 2: just started doing stick to doll lives.
Speaker 1: Normal gen Z stuff. So just two quick things. So
Speaker 1: one actually brought up to schools and in have you
Speaker 1: heard of the miracle from Mississippi? Have you heard of
Speaker 1: this phenomenon? Mississippi changed a rule when it came to education,
Speaker 1: which basically means if you could not read at a
Speaker 1: third grade level, you could not go to fourth grade.
Speaker 1: And there was basically no exemptions. And it was ten
Speaker 1: years but there was very little financial increases. But they
Speaker 1: got everyone on board. They retrained teachers, they did the
Speaker 1: science of reading, and black Americans in Mississippi actually have
Speaker 1: higher test scores than black Americans in Maryland, right among
Speaker 1: many other places. Refusing to allow people to fail and
Speaker 1: they fail forwards especially is a huge incentive to really
Speaker 1: improving the overall standards. Is this something that like is
Speaker 1: a broad understanding among like, I mean, I can know
Speaker 1: it's for conservatives, but I know I'm asking you a
Speaker 1: question me a conservative. Yeah, I believe it's like for
Speaker 1: other black people.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's abroad, I don't think most
Speaker 2: black people would necessarily agree with that. I'm not necessarily sure.
Speaker 2: I would assume that they probably you know, woul Int
Speaker 2: grew with it. But like I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's better for us to focus on, you know, the whole,
Speaker 2: like no Child Left Behind, steff just doesn't work, Like
Speaker 2: we have the data on this stuff. Nothing really is
Speaker 2: fixed by the trying to fix theseusparities, like the whole
Speaker 2: Lebron James School that's heavily funded still received like low
Speaker 2: test word. I'm pretty sure like the Akron Akron aboard
Speaker 2: they figured out that. Hold on, there's so much money
Speaker 2: being pumped in, why are the test scores not, you know,
Speaker 2: significantly increasing. So, yeah, there's there's cultural.
Speaker 1: Issues here right in among an immigrant you see you're
Speaker 1: you're with a lot of African immigrants in Maine. Was
Speaker 1: this a broadly accepted concept among African immigrants in America
Speaker 1: that the family unit is so important to raising people?
Speaker 2: Right? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a big difference between African Americans there's African immigrants.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I think there's a different cultural there's a
Speaker 2: significant cultural difference when it comes to that. I believe
Speaker 2: that we're much more appreciative when it comes to United States,
Speaker 2: less entitled as well more grateful because of where we're
Speaker 2: coming from specifically and understanding that. And yeah, big emphasis
Speaker 2: on the family.
Speaker 1: There's a huge difference from how I've noticed my friends
Speaker 1: who are African and Caribbean immigrants, how they speak of
Speaker 1: Black Americans, including my own family members. I have a
Speaker 1: few family mems who are Black Caribbean and they are
Speaker 1: They do not speak about African Americans the sentence of
Speaker 1: slaves very well. Just little note, side note. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can agree and disagree, but I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the the interesting trend that no one really talks
Speaker 1: about or knows is that black fertility rates African Americans
Speaker 1: hill rates is decline substantially. It's actually lower than whites
Speaker 1: for the first time I think almost ever documented. And
Speaker 1: a bigger and bigger percentage of people who have children
Speaker 1: today who are Black have ancestry in immigration right, which
Speaker 1: is completely different from all historical standards. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that changes the dynamics of the future of how Black
Speaker 1: Americans a significant portion no longer rooting their life to slavery,
Speaker 1: into redlining and to everything else will change their relationship
Speaker 1: either not only just between the parties and African Americans,
Speaker 1: but African Americans' opinions of our own country because it
Speaker 1: is very low.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it would. It's definitely a
Speaker 2: possibility that there's going to definitely be some change there
Speaker 2: in general. But I also do see a lot of
Speaker 2: African Americans who try to assimilate into Black American culture
Speaker 2: a lot of the times, and you know that's also something.
Speaker 1: So what does that means assimiling in Black American culture?
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of them that are immigrants
Speaker 2: who come here try to do this thing where they're
Speaker 2: trying to necessarily fit in with all of the narratives
Speaker 2: surrounding Black America Erica, and to me, I find find
Speaker 2: it a lot of cringe cringeing. I'm not saying Black
Speaker 2: American culture is just gang violence, because of course there's
Speaker 2: more than just gang violence, but a lot of them
Speaker 2: do specifically try to get on the negative parts and
Speaker 2: try to, you know, join gangs or be in the
Speaker 2: street life in general, which I don't understand how you
Speaker 2: could after you come from a third world country and
Speaker 2: you're given such an opportunity, but you know, stuff works
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: I I that's that's really interesting. I live a lot
Speaker 1: of times in the zeep South. A half the year
Speaker 1: I spend in Louisiana, so I see a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of that, more than I than I care to.
Speaker 1: What do you think if you're a young person, if
Speaker 1: you you do some TikTok all the time, what are
Speaker 1: like three two or three things that like young people
Speaker 1: are talking about on the internet As far as because
Speaker 1: you talk a lot about Israel and other things, I've
Speaker 1: noticed I saw some of your tiktoks?
Speaker 2: What made you engage? Like?
Speaker 1: What are the topics that you ask so often find
Speaker 1: yourself engaged? Obviously it's not all race relations as it
Speaker 1: was in this you you Believe video? No, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fleeen Israel and Palestine. And the reason why I started
Speaker 1: engaging in those conversations is because I kind of I
Speaker 1: saw the whole cures for Palestine movement and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how can you support people who would literally want you
Speaker 1: dead and don't align with the views whatsoever? And you know,
Speaker 1: I went into the whole conversation about you know, Israel
Speaker 1: being that's basically the only democracy in the Middle East,
Speaker 1: the only country where Arabs can vote in the Middle East,
Speaker 1: in the only country that is not an open deocracy
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, who was attacked and should have
Speaker 1: the right to at least defend itself as any other
Speaker 1: country would probably behaved if they were an attacked in
Speaker 1: the same exact way. And so what I felt that
Speaker 1: I have a duty as an American to support our
Speaker 1: ally and give justifications for why we support our ally
Speaker 1: and why a lot of people just don't have good
Speaker 1: reasons as to why we shouldn't support Israel. And so
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I got into that whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it kind of leaks over into the whole idea
Speaker 1: of colonialism of people who are who are victims versus
Speaker 1: you know, people who can com people who commit atroscies
Speaker 1: on people versus victims. Their whole understanding, I'm very basic understanding.
Speaker 1: I have like two woke white lived cousins who like
Speaker 1: say shit like this all the time, but they're like
Speaker 1: they very much opinion is well, if they are brown
Speaker 1: or therefore they must be victims.
Speaker 2: It kind of does boil down to that. Did you
Speaker 2: ever come across absolutely that is essentially left this ideology.
Speaker 2: A lot of people ask me why don't people care
Speaker 2: about the DRC or Sudan. Is it because the people
Speaker 2: that are black? And that's not really the reason, because
Speaker 2: the Arabs in Gaza are not much different from the
Speaker 2: Arabs in Cyria or the Arabs in Yemen, who have
Speaker 2: went through worse things and have you know, actually experienced
Speaker 2: a lot of hunger while Kaza has received the most
Speaker 2: amount of food or capita. And it's not about the
Speaker 2: death count obviously either. So what the MA main issue
Speaker 2: is that the left in order for them to care
Speaker 2: about anything, is that there has to be a white
Speaker 2: or if you know, they state they make Jews white
Speaker 2: in order if for it to fit the narrative, you know,
Speaker 2: oppressor slash brown black victim. If there's not that dynamic,
Speaker 2: then they don't really care. It's not about atrocities, it's
Speaker 2: not about who's hungry. It's not about what's going on
Speaker 2: and how bad it is, how bad the conditions are.
Speaker 2: Because when the Rwanda, which is a black majority country
Speaker 2: in some Seran Africa, invades at the RC while they're
Speaker 2: both black guys, so we can't call Rwanda apparently a
Speaker 2: colonizer because you know, white people never imperialize each other,
Speaker 2: or black people can't imperialize each other. So it's just
Speaker 2: typicualt left this ideology, and that leaks othern to America.
Speaker 2: What you said before, why don't you care about the
Speaker 2: southside of Chicago because it's a black person killing another
Speaker 2: black person? Exactly, it's typical left this ideology, the same
Speaker 2: thing that works with BLM, the same thing that works
Speaker 2: with the you know, radical movements. You have to have
Speaker 2: that sort of dynamic. You have to have someone to
Speaker 2: blame right.
Speaker 1: Right, and unlike I think, unlike leftist theory from even
Speaker 1: thirty years ago when I was a kid, which is
Speaker 1: a lot of which is a lot of rooted in
Speaker 1: class dynamics, it's almost all race dynamics.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I mean there's, I guess hints of class dynamics, but
Speaker 1: it's almost.
Speaker 2: All the basis of race.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if that has affected because I said
Speaker 1: this in the in the in the monogue earlier, seventy
Speaker 1: one percent of white young white men are now registering
Speaker 1: Republicans people who are born when you were born, right,
Speaker 1: That has never happened before, and there's been an increase
Speaker 1: in black and Hispanic too. But I wonder if the
Speaker 1: overwhelming consciousness of race being the center of everything has
Speaker 1: really turned down young gen Z men like yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely, And people say, you know, black fatigue
Speaker 2: and all these different things. It's really just leftist fatigue
Speaker 2: and leftist ideology fatigue in general. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: everyone's tired of it. I think this is why many
Speaker 2: young men, regardless of black or white or you know,
Speaker 2: leaning more conservative, leaning more right, and which is why
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is losing out of support, because people
Speaker 2: are tired of the Democratic Parties, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: exhausted arguments that people are tired of hearing the other victim.
Speaker 2: People are tired of not getting any answers or any
Speaker 2: explanations whatsoever. And of course it's made the popular party,
Speaker 2: I mean, made it more unpopular. And when you have
Speaker 2: someone like, for sample, a man of seals who responds
Speaker 2: to people's arguments by saying that, you know, treat me
Speaker 2: as if I was your mom, or speak to me
Speaker 2: as if I was your mom, it's not really, you know,
Speaker 2: anything that's compelling. It's not a compelling argument whatsoever. So
Speaker 2: I don't know how can they not lose a part
Speaker 2: when that's how they behave, when they behave out of emotionality.
Speaker 1: Two quick questions, so too, last questions. One, is there
Speaker 1: anything you didn't get to say in that Jubilee debate
Speaker 1: that you wished you would have that you could say now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I wanted to mention more, you know,
Speaker 2: in like ways that racism has been happening against white people.
Speaker 2: I did mention the University of Western Washington, but for example,
Speaker 2: Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, who has been touting
Speaker 2: the amount of black people he's hired for his you know, administration,
Speaker 2: and help few white people and all those different things.
Speaker 2: The DJ Actually, I think the Civil Rights Division specifically
Speaker 2: opened up an investigation into Brandon Johnson because of that, obviously,
Speaker 2: and that's another waste of something racism has been going on.
Speaker 2: I also wanted to mention United air Yeah, United Airlines,
Speaker 2: because they said that what in the year twenty fifty,
Speaker 2: I don't know that there or forty percent of the
Speaker 2: pilots will be block It's like this weird thing where
Speaker 2: you're like, we know for a fact, by this year
Speaker 2: we're going to have this many black pilots and we're
Speaker 2: totally not discriminating anyone to get to that point, totally
Speaker 2: not right. So I think I wanted to mention that
Speaker 2: as well, because it's like, it's it's silly if if
Speaker 2: any this is the thing is that it's so hypocritical.
Speaker 2: A lot of black people can do things that white
Speaker 2: people could never do or even say. Right, if any
Speaker 2: like you know, black person you know, owned any company
Speaker 2: and said I'm going to make sure that this is
Speaker 2: going to be fifty percent black by this year, no
Speaker 2: one's gonna have a problem. Then I's gonna figure out.
Speaker 2: If a white person said I'm gona sure this is
Speaker 2: fifty or sixty percent white by this year, everyone goes out.
Speaker 2: I might as well, you know, do riots and loot
Speaker 2: from small businesses when that happens, right, So it's it's
Speaker 2: just humorous. Everyone's tired of this whole you know, you know,
Speaker 2: white people are guilty, White people are evil, colonizers, and
Speaker 2: all these sorts of different things. People are tired of it.
Speaker 2: And that's just the truth.
Speaker 1: Do you find that in like your own life in
Speaker 1: Maine like that? I mean I asked this before, but like,
Speaker 1: is it more common than not even in a blue
Speaker 1: place like that. But do you ever find someone who,
Speaker 1: like a white kid, who does say those things and
Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, this is really refreshing and doesn't come
Speaker 1: off like a crazy person to you.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't. Well, when I was in Maine, I
Speaker 2: didn't really hear much people will specifically talk about that.
Speaker 2: The people in Maine, by the way, are very nice
Speaker 2: in general, very kind hearted people, although I did is
Speaker 2: a majority liberal state, but in general, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever heard a lot of these
Speaker 2: arguments from the white people in main in general. I
Speaker 2: don't think that they're really willing to say that because
Speaker 2: they think that you might come out as racist or evil,
Speaker 2: which you know, brings me to another point is the
Speaker 2: fact that if we were sitting across from NSCLS and
Speaker 2: we were white, she would definitely be calling us racist, okay,
Speaker 2: And she tried to exclude me by oh, well, you
Speaker 2: you know, you came from Africa a little later than
Speaker 2: my family did, therefore were better than you in some
Speaker 2: sort of way or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are more like got that, yes, which is really
Speaker 1: silly as well. If a white person ever said that
Speaker 1: you're less authentically American to a black person, it would
Speaker 1: also be considered racist. Matt, where can people go to
Speaker 1: like listen to you more and see more of your stuff?
Speaker 1: Because I think you're really engaging, that you're really smart.
Speaker 1: I think you could have a big career in this.
Speaker 1: And I was tweeting about you like crazy, saying someone
Speaker 1: and I think you're to twenty thousand followers close to.
Speaker 2: On Twitter and I at twenty one point three or
Speaker 2: four thousand followers now, and and I appreciate everyone follow
Speaker 2: the kind messages and generosity. People can find me on
Speaker 2: the X. I did finally fix my handle. It's just
Speaker 2: Matt nuclear X. It is Matt Nuclear. On TikTok. It
Speaker 2: is Matt Nuclear also on YouTube, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: create a Instagram account as well pretty soon so people
Speaker 2: can find me there. Yeah, and you're going to talk
Speaker 2: about Israel and other stuff like this or yeah, I
Speaker 2: talk about multiple different subjects, whether it's Israel also semic racism,
Speaker 2: any of these different things.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Matt, You're really smart. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: where you go with this stuff. And I think that
Speaker 1: I think you have a bright future ahead of you.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for having you onrun.
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Speaker 1: So a piece of DC gossip that I heard that
Speaker 1: I thought you guys would find fascinating. There is a
Speaker 1: member of Trump's cabinet. I'm not going to name names
Speaker 1: until this comes out publicly, but you guys put two
Speaker 1: and two together and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: There is a member of the cabinet who's well known,
Speaker 1: and it's well known that this member, it's a woman,
Speaker 1: is having an affair, a very semi public affair, and
Speaker 1: if you're in political circles, you know.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: A reporter walked up to her and said to her,
Speaker 1: why are you having this affair? Why haven't you met
Speaker 1: up with your husand why don't you divorcing your husband?
Speaker 1: And she blurted out to this reporter who.
Speaker 2: I know, and said, oh, my husband's gay.
Speaker 1: Like what, didn't even try and I don't know, make
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Speaker 1: we're still together, Please respect my prep blurt it out,
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Speaker 1: so interesting that they just blurted out and whatever, we'll
Speaker 1: see if it comes about. I thought you guys would
Speaker 1: find it fascinating. If it becomes a story, I'll talk
Speaker 1: more about it. I don't someone's private life, but if
Speaker 1: it becomes a story, I just think that it's very
Speaker 1: interesting that they this person did not try harder to
Speaker 1: protect their spouse in this conversation. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to ask me anything. I know some people really like
Speaker 1: the gossip, so I try to give it when I
Speaker 1: have it. All right, so they asked Me Anything segment
Speaker 1: of this podcast. If you want to part of Ask
Speaker 1: Me Anything, email me Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan at numbers Game podcast dot com. The first
Speaker 1: question I have is from a friend of mine who
Speaker 1: doesn't want their name revealed, which is most friends of
Speaker 1: mine when they have to associate with me. They say,
Speaker 1: how does someone who has never been pulled get their
Speaker 1: voice heard? And what is your implication towards voluntary polling
Speaker 1: responses and biases? Okay, this is a great question. So
Speaker 1: there is a polling bias in the sense that people
Speaker 1: who want to be polls listen. Polling is very expensive, right,
Speaker 1: It's extremely expensive. Polls cost thirty forty fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: per pole. That's why you're seeing fewer and fewer poles
Speaker 1: come out. By the way, if you notice there was
Speaker 1: a lot more polls back in twenty sixteen and twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: when you could just still still sit there and call
Speaker 1: a landline or you know, just get a hold too
Speaker 1: much easier. It's much harder now and you have to
Speaker 1: use different forms of technology to get a hold of somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, the.
Speaker 1: Story with polling biases. People who answer polls are asked
Speaker 1: again more often because they know they're likely to answer,
Speaker 1: so it creates a polling bias. And also people who
Speaker 1: are highly engaged in polling usually want to answer them more.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of like the bias. And you can
Speaker 1: see it sometimes in the cross tabs when you see
Speaker 1: you'll see a poll and it'll be like Trump is
Speaker 1: losing perfect I have perfect perfec. For example an Seltzer
Speaker 1: and Seltzer's famous Iowa pull from twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 1: called this as BS from the get go, and why
Speaker 1: do I call it this bs? From the get go,
Speaker 1: they had Trump losing white women over sixty five by
Speaker 1: like thirty points. It was his worst demographic. Now, sixty
Speaker 1: five year old white women in Iowa are more than
Speaker 1: likely fairly religious, evangelical. They're probably not watching Rachel Maddow,
Speaker 1: that is, and yet they were overwhelmingly shown in this poll.
Speaker 1: They were overwhelmingly noticed in this poll. And you could
Speaker 1: just spot it out saying there's there shouldn't be this
Speaker 1: forty point demographic fallout with population. It's fairly fixed. It's
Speaker 1: not like you know your your there's a huge population
Speaker 1: changed in Iowa. It's not like you're importing a million
Speaker 1: sixty five year olds and their sixty five year old women.
Speaker 1: It was a very obvious thing, and so you can
Speaker 1: kind of spot the biases there. And that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of these pollsters are showing up huge problems when
Speaker 1: it comes to their results, especially when Trump's involved, because
Speaker 1: they can't get a hold of the low information voter
Speaker 1: or something they don't want to show them. They would
Speaker 1: love to that the polster who got it right. A
Speaker 1: lot of them can't find them, and they do the
Speaker 1: lazy work, and if a poll asks like seventy five
Speaker 1: eighty questions, only someone who's so deranged like me would
Speaker 1: answer eighty questions to a polster and they can't wait
Speaker 1: for it. A normal poll would be like seven eight
Speaker 1: questions because someone's got to cook dinner, they got to
Speaker 1: go take care of the kids, they got to do
Speaker 1: they got to go to work. They're not answering eighty questions.
Speaker 1: So you can kind of see the participation rates by
Speaker 1: how many questions are asked of whether or not it
Speaker 1: has a likelihood have a high voter bias. How do
Speaker 1: you get your voice across answer one poll? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's basically it. You probably will get polled at least
Speaker 1: one point. You can't ask the polster like, oh, please,
Speaker 1: please reach out to me, but if you answer once,
Speaker 1: you'll more than likely be asked again. I can ask
Speaker 1: pretty frequently to answer a poll because they know I
Speaker 1: answer them. But I'm the wrong person because I love politics.
Speaker 1: I'm too involved.
Speaker 2: You need people who.
Speaker 1: Are not so in love to be more representative. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Thank you to my friend who
Speaker 1: asked a question. Last question of the Paul today comes
Speaker 1: from John from Connecticut. He writes, Ryan great podcasts. I
Speaker 1: know you favorite jdvans, but what is Disanta's path to
Speaker 1: the presidency if you are gaming it out? He can't
Speaker 1: wait eight years of JD? Does he need the economy
Speaker 1: to crash or what other considerations are at play?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: I like both JD and Dessanta's. I think Desanda has
Speaker 1: been a great governor JD.
Speaker 2: I worked for him.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of what he does publicly, so
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not besmirching one or the other.
Speaker 1: They're two totally different types of animals. And I met
Speaker 1: It's very well known because I wrote about it because
Speaker 1: it was being leaked about. But I met with Dessanta's
Speaker 1: to try to talk to about the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: election primary. And this is Desanta's problem one. The policies
Speaker 1: are there, but the vibes aren't. He's got to loose
Speaker 1: a lot more. And I sat talking about music the
Speaker 1: other day, but it was kind of stiff what he
Speaker 1: was saying. He needs to show more that he's a dad.
Speaker 1: He needs to show more that he is a person.
Speaker 1: He needs to show less about policy. He needs to
Speaker 1: build his social media following. That's like more friendly towards
Speaker 1: like who he is as a person. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a four year job right there, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's even comfortable doing that. Like I told when
Speaker 1: I talked to the Sandas, I said to him, you
Speaker 1: need to bring up the fact that if he for
Speaker 1: as good as a ballplayer as you were and as smart
Speaker 1: as you are, you would have not likely gotten to
Speaker 1: Yale if you were born twenty years apart because you're
Speaker 1: a white man and they're discriminated against. And he wouldn't
Speaker 1: bring that up. And I know people brought up to
Speaker 1: him afterwards and he would not bring that part up.
Speaker 1: So he'd have to tactically move to the right in
Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations that I don't think that he's been willing
Speaker 1: to have. He needs to show more of his personal side.
Speaker 1: But look, unless Jad really says something wild and out there,
Speaker 1: or Trump and horses against him, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anyone who could beat him. And I'm just being frank.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to game it out because
Speaker 1: it just I just don't see how that's I just
Speaker 1: don't see the path. There's only been one vice president
Speaker 1: who's ever ran for the party's nomination and lost it
Speaker 1: in any sort of living memory, and it was Mike
Speaker 1: Pence and it's only because he ran against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think doing what I advised to Santas to do
Speaker 1: would help him overall long term if he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a senator, which I don't think he wants to be,
Speaker 1: or do something else, or prepare for a run at
Speaker 1: some point, but it's very difficult to unsee the party's
Speaker 1: nominee also talk less about Florida. I was, I told
Speaker 1: it to Santa's, like, no one like the whole country
Speaker 1: is in Florida. I know you guys love it down
Speaker 1: there and you think you're your own country, but it's
Speaker 1: it's not the whole country like some people do want
Speaker 1: to live in Michigan. So like, I mean, you got
Speaker 1: to talk about bigger things than that. Anyway, I like
Speaker 1: Desanta's I'm not I'm not crapping on him, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a big fan of JD. But
Speaker 1: that's what I would best advise. I guess if I
Speaker 1: was going to take on climbing that adverse, which is that?
Speaker 2: So anyway, thank you guys for listening. To this podcast.
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