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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another episode of All the Smoke, Season three.

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Speaker 1: You're good, You're ready, ready to row, skiddy man. We

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Speaker 1: got a very special guest today, one of my brothers,

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Speaker 1: someone who I look up to in the space on hanging.

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Speaker 1: I'm a'm part of the team right now. So when

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Speaker 1: I look up to in the space who is continuing

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Speaker 1: to open up doors, breakdown walls, raise the bar in

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Speaker 1: this entertainment space that he's come for in the Hollywood

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Speaker 1: movie space, Welcome to the show. Dion Taylor. All right, man, man,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Brother? Right now? I'm here, but here we

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Speaker 1: finally got you here, man, We appreciate it. How do

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Speaker 1: we meet? I don't recall how we met? Do you

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Speaker 1: remember how we met? In passing through Bobby? Might have

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Speaker 1: been through Bobby first Bobby Jackson, and then we just

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Speaker 1: some something in that world some of the King's world. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet Dion, and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know my transition from basketball, I wanted to be in

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Speaker 1: the content creation space TV movies production and Dion was

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Speaker 1: in it. And someone who had a similar background. You know,

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Speaker 1: just kind of started taking me under his wing and

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Speaker 1: tell me about projects, let me come and shadow home

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Speaker 1: and really kind of a lot of people talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, let me show you how to do it,

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Speaker 1: let me show you this, but Dion is someone who

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Speaker 1: actually does it. Man. So I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: appreciation for you and your wife Rock saying and and

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Speaker 1: and the way you guys have always welcomed me around

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Speaker 1: things and and taught me the game. So I appreciate that. Man.

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Speaker 1: Always family. Man. Yeah, we're gonna start us off just

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Speaker 1: like this, right, That's how we gonna start it off

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Speaker 1: to getting to the money. Alright, what say, what roles

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Speaker 1: you out for me in your movies coming out? I

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Speaker 1: know you got all kind of movies coming out. What

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Speaker 1: roles do you have for me to go? We gotta

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Speaker 1: we gotta talk about it, man, but I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this, I will have a role for you both

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Speaker 1: of them. Obviously. You know, were getting ready to do

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Speaker 1: the Peeweek Kirkland story. Man shout out to Peewee man

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Speaker 1: uh to live in legendent legend of two games. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely man, next summer New York. You gotta be there, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm there. Uh, let's get it started. Uh, born in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: grew up in Gary, Indiana. Um, talk to us about

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Speaker 1: your upbringing, your family dynamic, and uh what was like

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Speaker 1: well you know, people that don't know Gary, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably know the history of Gary, which was for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Gary was the murder capital for a very

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Speaker 1: it's it's later when you leave you'll be like, damn.

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Speaker 1: It was like that. It was like that. But I

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Speaker 1: was actually blessed man. My tired family is still there,

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Speaker 1: but I was blessed enough man for my mom at

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Speaker 1: So it's an interesting story my mom actually, Um, I

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Speaker 1: Man was living my life there and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: low income housing, project housing, same old thing. And my

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Speaker 1: but then when you remove yourself, you're like wow, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But don't just breeze over what you were doing out there.

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Speaker 1: You said you shot the finale of Power. Talked to

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about that. Now you can't give

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Speaker 1: Tommy Man. Tommy's back. Man. Shout out to Joseph coor Man,

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Speaker 1: m you shout out the fifty cent Joseph Cord, that

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Speaker 1: whole team. Man. But yeah, I was driving on the

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Speaker 1: He's like, you want to come shoot the finale Power?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, uh, let me think about it. Like no,

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Speaker 1: I'll be right there. But it was great man, great show,

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Speaker 1: great people. And that was my first time doing television.

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Speaker 1: So for me going into television, you know from a

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Speaker 1: from a cinematic standpoint, being a film director, it was

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Speaker 1: able to shoot that show in a cinematic way, in

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Speaker 1: other words, being able to hold scenes, you know, intros, outros,

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Speaker 1: and normally TV is choppy, but the finale felt like

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Speaker 1: a movie. We're gonna get into your process and your

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Speaker 1: excuse me? Directed that the Power finale? And I have

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Speaker 1: Like when you really are out here and you really

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Speaker 1: Like we were told no for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: basketball and coming from where I came from, perseverance has

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Speaker 1: to us about that journey. Well, you gotta be a

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Speaker 1: so it no matter who you are, there's something for you.

425
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: Television used to be, you know, one size fits all,

426
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So if you got a team,

427
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was the black dude, and there was

428
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: the white dude, and there's the Jewish guys. Like that

429
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: was it, you know what I mean. But now it's

430
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: like you if you're you know, black, there's some black shows,

431
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: you white, his white shows, if you gave his gay shows.

432
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: It's like it's a plethora of things. And then every

433
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: now and he gets something to come. But I also

434
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: think TV is transformative. Um so it's like the Wire.

435
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: You know, if you remember the Wire, what that it

436
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: during that time and how incredible that was. I was

437
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: like before it's time, you know what I mean? Um

438
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think TV is gonna keep changing and

439
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: becoming whatever we wanted to be there. Look at this,

440
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: we don't y'all want TV. Matt Barns and Jack on TV.

441
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this is crazy. I mean, you've got

442
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: a taste obviously, you know, finding your route in your

443
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: foundation and filmmaking. You've crossed over a little bit and

444
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: done television. Obviously they're a huge difference. Do you see

445
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 1: yourself doing anymore television or you No? I think I

446
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: think it's great, man. I think the space is great.

447
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: I love that you could just kind of do it

448
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: and and and and be done, if that makes sense.

449
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: Film film, you live with it, man. I'm still living

450
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: with traffic, you know what I mean, Like, I'm still

451
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: figuring out where that's gonna go. You know, next year,

452
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: what network it will be on or you know, Like

453
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: film is a different beast. Television is kind of dope, man,

454
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: because you know, you do it, they're gonna air it

455
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: and then it lives there. That's it, you know what

456
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean. Film Man, you make a movie independently, you

457
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: like you like praying to God it opens, you know

458
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. You're laying in the bed the night

459
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: it comes out, you worry about what the critics go.

460
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's a whole world that goes

461
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: with it, you know what I mean. And uh, television

462
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: not fine, It's like it's it's it's it's very therapeutic

463
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: because you get to do the craft that you love.

464
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I can leave it there

465
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: being told no a lot obviously made you want to

466
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: start building your own Talk to us about the launch

467
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: of the Hidding Empire Film Group. Man, Hidden Empire Um

468
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: Film Group. Man like It's just a film company made

469
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: a people that just had dreams. Shout shout the team, out,

470
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: Shout out to rock sand who's here. Oh mam my brother. Um.

471
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: Our entire team is just made of underdogs, man. Like,

472
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: we are all the people that you know, like you,

473
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: We're the people that was told no. We're the people

474
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: that didn't have an opportunity. We didn't go to film school.

475
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: We just love film. We just love movies. And we

476
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, we're gonna be rebels and do that ship.

477
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: And uh, we got here by number one being passionate,

478
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: more passionate than most of the people we ever meet.

479
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, we've We've had twenty hour days on movie sets.

480
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: We've had twenty two hour days on movies sets where

481
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: people have pulled the plug and walked off, and I'm like,

482
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: we can't never come back, So I gotta get it all.

483
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: I gotta get it all man, you know what I mean.

484
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: So we just live in that world man to where

485
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: like I just told you a moment ago, everything we

486
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: do we have to do it because we don't know

487
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: if there will be another chance to do it. So

488
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: we try to lead by example in terms of like

489
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: hidden Empire represents people that I like to call our light. Um.

490
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: We feel like what you put into the universe is

491
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: what you get back out. So we try to just

492
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: lead with kindness, UM, lead with integrity, you know, make

493
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: sure that our words are buying when we say we're

494
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: gonna do something. But more importantly, man, if you get

495
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: on the set or a movie with us, like we're

496
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: gonna give you every thing we have. They didn't have

497
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: to drag me off set a few times. Man, where

498
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: you know I'm like delirious because I didn't shot so much,

499
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: or you know, did nineties setups in the day, or

500
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: because like I said, it's it's he's been. The film

501
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: is like the super Bowl, right, So pre production is

502
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: like the season, so you're like getting ready everything is,

503
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're putting all this stuff together and then

504
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: it's like the day you say, action is game time.

505
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: Like that's like it's everything in one So it's the

506
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: super Bowl to me, so it's like you gotta win, right.

507
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: And we were just talking on the way over here

508
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: that out of twelve and thirteen films, doing this for

509
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: almost fourteen years, I've never had one reshoot. Like every

510
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: movie you've ever seen that was it? Like that three

511
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: million dollar movie? You know, and people don't know this,

512
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, like these movies are under five million dollars

513
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: that we're making that an opening number one and number

514
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: two in the world, you know what I mean. Like

515
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: I've never had a budget over ten million dollars. Um,

516
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: I've never had a budget of nine min dollars. But

517
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: but your returns are crazy, returns are crazy. Um, the

518
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: movies are great, you know what I mean. But it

519
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: also puts you where you're like, Okay, I'm done with that,

520
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: Like I know how to make those types of films now,

521
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go here, you know what I mean.

522
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: So Hidden Empires, Uh, that's my life right now, man,

523
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: But kind of explain the business side of that for

524
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: people don't really understand. Okay, so you have the Hidden

525
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: Empire group. Why did you form that? Obviously you were

526
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: told no and you couldn't get distribution. To explain a

527
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: little bit of the business side. So independent film is

528
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: um studios make movies and then they own movies. Right,

529
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: So your work for hire period, no matter how you

530
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: want to dice it up or cut it. If you

531
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: go make Marvel Marvel movie, you're gonna pay you a

532
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: bunch of money. You're gonna get a little bit probably

533
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: if you're great, you're gonna get some back in and

534
00:26:53,359 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: then it's over. It's theirs forever, forever. Independent film, you're

535
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: the studio. So you make the movie, you create the

536
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: I P. You can then license that I P to

537
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: a studio to put out, but that's your product forever.

538
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: So if you can do that at a high clip,

539
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: then you become an owner, right. And there's a big

540
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: difference between a player and uh and the owner. Right. So,

541
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. Outside of the black culture, this

542
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: is common. This is common for Jack Nicholson to own

543
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: I P s or you know, or Christopher Nolan to

544
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: own a giant portion of or James Cameron to own

545
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was very unique to us.

546
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: When Tyler Perry came in, it was like he gonna

547
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: do it this way and slap it that way and

548
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: create that he's a billionaire. And what we're trying to

549
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: do is say, it's not militant to be an owner

550
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: of your own brand, right, It's not. You're not. Yeah,

551
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: it's spos. It's cool, you know what I mean? Like

552
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: I could work with anybody I want to work with.

553
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't want to work with you.

554
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: We're just saying there are times that we'll do one

555
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: for you, two for them, and then we'll do one

556
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: for us. And the idea is that we need the studios.

557
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: We want to work withever. You have to play well

558
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: in the sandbox. This is about everyone working together, not

559
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm just doing this is my thing and hoarding it.

560
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: M So we're trying to be that breakout company that's like, yo,

561
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: you can do this, own it as African American business people.

562
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time we can also partner and

563
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: work with studios or I love being worked for highre.

564
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: I've been in a couple of times, you know what

565
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean. It's great because I get to go over

566
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: there and play with those toys and make those films

567
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: and do something prolific and great for a studio, and

568
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: then I get better and then I go make something

569
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: for myself. Yeah, I want it. Directing your first film film,

570
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: Dead Tom Jesus Doug in The Crazy Dead tone Man

571
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: was the first one. That's my film school man. Shout

572
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: out to Brian Hooks who taught me how to actually

573
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: get a movie up and get a movie made. Um.

574
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Dead tone was crazy Man. That's the movie I wrote,

575
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: was writing trying to write coming out of coming out

576
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: of Germany. That was the movie. It was just a

577
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: great horror film, man classic. Five kids go up to

578
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: a big, big mansion and at the time, like they prank,

579
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: call a stranger and the stranger calls back and he's crazy.

580
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Started six didn't come back and it was great, Um,

581
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: great film man. But that film taught me everything I

582
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: needed to know from financing two uh, legal issues to

583
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: you name it. That film and that was the hardest

584
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: film to ever make and the worst film ever made.

585
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: But it was the first film and it's the film

586
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: that I love the most. But it's where you didn't

587
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: know nothing, you know what I mean. You didn't know

588
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: how to do an investment, You didn't know how to

589
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: deliver a movie. You didn't know who to sell it to.

590
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: So that became a seven year project. You got it done. Uh,

591
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: you struck gold with Meet the Blacks. Um, you did

592
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: House next Door Meet the Blacks two, which I was

593
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: involved in. Jack came and kicked in on the set.

594
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: But I think what's even doper about that? As you

595
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: were able to bring Cat Williams and Mike Epps back

596
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: together on one screen. There was obviously a little bit

597
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: of a turmoil between them, but tell us about your

598
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: ability to get both them and then just the process

599
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: of making that and and and successive classic too. Great job, man,

600
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for that man. Mike and Cat was that

601
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: was a unique situation. So Mike had did Meet the

602
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Blacks one, which was, you know, a hit, an independent

603
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: hit movie at open number four in the world independent,

604
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: and we released that movie by ourselves. Correct me from wrong.

605
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: You shot that in your neighborhood, right, The shot that

606
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: where I lived around the corner from the house by

607
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: our house. The twins were little about the twins on set.

608
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: We're in Sack for some reason. He's like, come by,

609
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: she live around the corners. Oh yeah, we're just shooting

610
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: here the around the corner from his house. Whole productions. Yeah,

611
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Mike and Cat were great. Mike was already there. Um

612
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I went to Cat because Cat was gonna originally be

613
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: in the first Meet the Blacks. And so when we

614
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: came back around with two, I knew that there was

615
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of an energy between the two of them.

616
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: But didn't know what that was. No one really does.

617
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Let me just hear that. And I went to Cat

618
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I'm with it. And then

619
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: I remember calling Mike and being like, man, he was like,

620
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm with it, and and never. It was like two months,

621
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: and I remember the first day was Gary Owen, Little Duval,

622
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: Brecia Webb, Michael Blackson. We was doing a table read

623
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and I had been talking to Mike for

624
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: a few months, had been talking to Cat, but they

625
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: had not talked to each other or being around like

626
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: at all. So at this particular table we was gonna

627
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: be the first time Mike and Cat was gonna come

628
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: into the room and read the script, and uh, everything, dude,

629
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: ball was crazy. Like ever, it was like tense for

630
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: some odd reasons. I was just like and Mike got

631
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: there first, and uh, we were all waiting, and obviously

632
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Cat was like running a little bit behind, remember getting

633
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: the text, and I'm like, Okay, he's gonna come in here.

634
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: And Cat came in and I remember like the whole

635
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: room was like and then Mike was like, what's up, nigga?

636
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: And then Cat was like, what's up, nigga? And it

637
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: was just It was from that point I was like

638
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: whoa and it just was over man. And I would

639
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: tell you this, man, what I think is fantastic about

640
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: both of them as their geniuses, And um, I don't

641
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: think either one of them get the credit that they

642
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: obviously need. And I'm being honest now, man, Like you

643
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: don't know Mike that's been doing that. You don't know

644
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: Cat has been selling out arenas arena not not venues,

645
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: arenas and you know those two man. To me, you know,

646
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: I was blessing up a better work with Cat, Mike,

647
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Paul Mooney, Charlie Murphy, you know what I mean. And

648
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: and when you start getting into that category, to me, man,

649
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: it ain't but a few more you can name where

650
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, you know, like who I mean,

651
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Cat is, you know, and Mike They're up there period.

652
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: You know. They gotta be in your top seven, if

653
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: not your top two, you know what I mean? So uh,

654
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: they were great, man, And they killed that movie every

655
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: day they worked together. They were funny, they the jokes

656
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: were great. The charter is great. And it was the

657
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: first time I got to work with Cat and I

658
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: fell in love with him, man, because I had never

659
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: seen anyone that passionate about film. He was really good man.

660
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: And uh he would come to set when we weren't

661
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: shooting and bring food and you know it's there, ain't

662
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: out like no, the night cat out there in the

663
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: trailer like yo, come get some wings. I was like,

664
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: this is crazy, but it was a blessing man, and um, yeah,

665
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: that was a great film to do, and I wanted

666
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to do part two. I didn't even have to do

667
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: part two, but I wanted to do part two because

668
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: that's our franchise that we own that, you know what

669
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Regardless of what anybody thinks, we own our

670
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: own comedy horror franchise. And a couple of years from now,

671
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: I already know what's gonna happen to phone a ring

672
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: and people like me when they already asked for three.

673
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: But we'll figure that out later. I think to you,

674
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys take enough credit for creating

675
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: that family environment. Like you said, he wanted to come back.

676
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: I've been on sets before where it's as doing your

677
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: job done. You don't see that person until they shoot

678
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: a few days later, you know what I mean. And

679
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you guys create a family environment where obviously work is

680
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: gonna get done. But when the cameras cut, motherfuckers, they're

681
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: talking ship to each other, laughing, joking, having a great time.

682
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: You're I'm like, damn, they should be filming this. But

683
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just it's just to take And

684
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: that's the environment you guys created. It's real people. Man.

685
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: That's how I think. That's how every movie said should

686
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: be because if you really are in a creative environment,

687
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: that's creative, right, it can't be creative when I just

688
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: came here, I've seen music playing, somebody over there dropping

689
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: it like it's hot somebody. That's the environment I want

690
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: to be in. I want to be in a world

691
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: where man, yeah, because you're not afraid to fail, right,

692
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Like that's my model man, Like you know, acting and

693
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: directing as ugly, you know what I mean. Part of

694
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: it is like let's try something. If it don't work,

695
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: all right, do it again. Like we're trying to be great, man,

696
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Like nobody got all the answers, especially when you're doing

697
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: independent movies. Man, here's what's crazy. We're working on four

698
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: and five minut dollar movies eight millton nine mint dollars,

699
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: like Black and Blue with Naomi Harrison Tyres like we

700
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: was going hard on that film, you know what I mean,

701
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: only to look up to make a great film that

702
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: I still feel like should have been nominated for a

703
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Um. But then when you look across

704
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the boarding you and you see that the other guys

705
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: that are making these other movies that got fifty million,

706
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: seventy million, sixty Yeah, you know what I mean. You like,

707
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: but we have more fun. We have more fun and

708
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: made a better film, you know what I mean. But

709
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like that creative process to

710
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: be able to do films like that and everyone. You know.

711
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I talked to Naomi Harris once every two weeks, but

712
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: because of that film, you know what I mean, Because

713
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, we gotta like you gotta figure something out.

714
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: And Tires is my brother. I talked to him once

715
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: a week or twice a week, you know what I mean.

716
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Like if it's nothing but a What's app for a

717
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: text just to check in. But it is a family environment, man,

718
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: and that's how it's supposed to be. Um. Because you

719
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: know that big money is gonna come knock on one day.

720
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell us. But if someone came

721
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: to you with a hundred million dollar budget. Do you

722
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: have a hundred million dollar idea movie idea? Boy? Do

723
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I no? No, no, you know what, man, I do.

724
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: I have a few ideas like that. Um, I tell

725
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: you what I would love to do, Man, I would

726
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: love to get into either the d C space or

727
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: the Marvel space, you know, just for one of them things. Man,

728
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's some cool stuff coming up. Man,

729
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: Like right now. I know they got like the Captain America.

730
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: They said, it was like I didn't know I was

731
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: watching something the other day. There's sixteen hundred Marvel characters.

732
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: Sixteen hundred, so they could give us one man. They

733
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: give us one right, give us man, give us one man.

734
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: You're set to direct Freedom Ride based on the historical

735
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: life of yours, Congressman John Lewis, You've uh praise a

736
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: great team. You put a great team together. Talk to

737
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: us about that project and and what drew you to it,

738
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: John Lewis, UM Good Trouble, Good Trouble one of the

739
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: most iconic figures we've ever had. Um So, this story

740
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: was brought to me um uh by company called Indie

741
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: Company and uh Matt Rhodes and Kim Leftford and Cameron

742
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: Mitchell brought me this project. And when I got the project,

743
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: I didn't realize at the time that attorney Ben Crump

744
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: was attached and the estate was attached, and uh, man,

745
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I was just honored, you know, we had that. I've

746
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of work as an activist for

747
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: a very long time, Me and my wife and my partners,

748
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: like we all are on the ground daily. And we

749
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: led to George Floyd March in Sacramento, which you know,

750
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: broke the record out there. I think we had sixty

751
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: three thousand people showed up and then we got eight

752
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand people to vote through bo Vote.

753
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Already shot the John Lewis No, No, it's getting ready

754
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: to come up. So what ends up happening is they

755
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: bring the project to me and I'm like, it's time

756
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: to do it, you know what I mean. Like, so

757
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: finished the script about two or three weeks ago. Uh.

758
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: The ideas to be in production here November December, Atlanta

759
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: and probably New Orleans. Yeah, I'll be right there are

760
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be but that that but that movie, man,

761
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: Like you know, as we talked about film, we laugh

762
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: about different things like that movie. Right there is the one,

763
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: man where you know, when someone bestows that type of

764
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: honor on you to do that, that's when you got it.

765
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: You gotta shut everything down. As a matter of fact,

766
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: I just did a thing a couple like a week ago,

767
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Like that's it like for me for the rest of

768
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: the year, Like that's cool to do this, that all

769
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: that's great, But this is the one, man, like, we

770
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: don't get to redo this. And and most of the times, man,

771
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: when we get to make historic films like that, we

772
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: don't get to make them. Someone else is telling our story.

773
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: Somebody's telling our story and they and they watching the story,

774
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, making it be whatever this might be or

775
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: that might be. I wanted I want this one. When

776
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm done, there should be no question and how a

777
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: biopic should be done. There should be no question on

778
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: what it meant to have that story as a filmmaker,

779
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So this's the one for me, man,

780
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna give everything I have to

781
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: make it right. There's a lot writing on that. Being

782
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: a former athlete, is I mean, is there pressure in

783
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: spaces like this, Like what kind of what comes with that.

784
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean you could, like you said, this is a

785
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: you don't you don't get a chance to make it

786
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: something like this again, this is a one and done.

787
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: A lot is going to be writing on it. Do

788
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: you it's a pressure that comes with that, or it's

789
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: a good feeling, like what is your mind set with

790
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: It's a great feeling, man, I think that. Look, you

791
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: always nervous, you know, planning the find those playing the championship,

792
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You're gonna be nervous. But you've been

793
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: doing this your whole life. What you make love to you,

794
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: you make love to it, right, That's right? Man. So

795
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: I feel the same. I feel the same way. Like

796
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: there's I'm not scared at all, Like I'm like I'm ready.

797
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm more excited about it, Like I'm like, yo,

798
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: bring But that also comes from me being ready to

799
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: do this, you know what I mean? Like there has

800
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: been situations year ago where I'm like, damn it, why

801
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: I didn't get that? But now when I look back,

802
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you weren't ready for that ship,

803
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You weren't ready to do

804
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: no movie like that at that time, Like six years ago,

805
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to do Black and Blue, you know

806
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? Or you know, But but my work

807
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: and my effort in terms of getting better and working

808
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: at it. It's like sports. Now you're like, oh, I

809
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: can shoot that, I can play with them, you know

810
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I feel like now I can

811
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: play with anybody, you know. I mean similar getting too

812
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: the NBA. I mean a lot of people come into

813
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: both of our spaces talented, but you don't understand the

814
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: space until you have some years in it. Period. Oh,

815
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: you've done the reps right right. You gotta do the work, man,

816
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do the work. They can't, they can't. I've

817
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: seen a few people get a couple of hundred minu

818
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: dollar movies and you see they weren't ready for that.

819
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: You've seen it. You've been to like, damn, who did this?

820
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like how they do that? Like, No,

821
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: they weren't ready for that. And that's not a knock

822
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: against nobody. It's just the fact that you got to

823
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: really do the work because when they when they when

824
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: the cameras and the lights come on, the actors show up,

825
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: have you been here? Do you know what you need?

826
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: To be doing period, no matter if you got a

827
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: million dollars or twenty million dollars. So that's kind of

828
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: approach it that way, like, man, I'm I'm more than ready. Man.

829
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: It's dope. You have some more up and coming stuff.

830
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: You told us some stuff off camera. Um, but talk

831
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: to us a little bit about free agents. I think

832
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: when you told me about this idea and then I

833
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: saw that you attached fifty two, and I'm like, this

834
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: ship is about to be inside fifty man, shout out

835
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: fifty on the show. We almost had him locked in,

836
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: but he was too busy this round. We're gonna get

837
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: him soon. You gotta you gotta like catch fifty like

838
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: you gotta catch him man, like you know in front,

839
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: liked where is he at? Like you he would just

840
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: readily pop up. No free agents man, Uh, second string

841
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: NFL players that rob banks while they're on the road.

842
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: Carnal that it's cold man, but yeah, we um we up.

843
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Dante Sperodia is shooting the movie man, the cinematographer that

844
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: shot heat. He's funny here, he's right, I've seen him.

845
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: He's around a lot of your Yeah, he's a beautiful man.

846
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: It's Michael Man, cinematographer, and I wrote this man a

847
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: letter five or six years ago and he went and

848
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: met him. Seventy three year old Italian man lives in

849
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Italy and uh me and him fell in love and

850
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: he's done the last three movies. For me, it's been

851
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Man. But the insider heat last of the

852
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: Mohicans Aunt man in the wash Um you know, Gigantic

853
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: dude h Narnia you know. Um. Anyways, this movie is crazy.

854
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Fifty is like a like a Denzel character in Training Day.

855
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: His name is Rush Daniels. He's on his way out

856
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: the league and basically he's lost all his money to

857
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: bad investments and a bad money manager who is Deontaylor.

858
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: Outside of filmmaking, Oh man, I'm this is it a hooper? Hooper? Man?

859
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: I really every time you left every time like damn

860
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: am I oh am I done? I don't know. No,

861
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: this what you see is what you get. Man, I'm

862
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: this guy all the time. UM. I think that's what's

863
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of cool about building yourself is you don't have

864
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: to be no one else, you know. Um. I love

865
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: the game. I love my family more you know than anything.

866
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, man, I understand what time

867
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: means and and and what family means to all of this.

868
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: So I kind of take the film thing where it's

869
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: like it's my passion. It has replaced Hoop, if that

870
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. Like I never thought I would ever say that,

871
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: but it's like I love it that much. But what

872
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: you see is what you get, because if if you're

873
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: anything else, then real they you ain't gonna make it. Brother,

874
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna make you know, Yes, I first at

875
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: the podcast, I was still playing basketball, still playing the

876
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Big Three. But as of now, this is my baby.

877
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: This is I love more than anything. You can tell.

878
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: You can tell that the the same reps that you've

879
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: been taking the basketball your whole life, now you're doing

880
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: it here. And what's crazy is you don't get that

881
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to you forty plus years old, do you know

882
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, like, that's what's crazy, man, is

883
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: that this has never been offered to us. So when

884
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you was younger, nobody ever said, Matt Man, you can

885
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: own your own production company. And like like, we don't

886
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: know none of that ship man. It's like we we're

887
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: this is why we're so behind. And while we're trying

888
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: to fight so much to get where we need to go,

889
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: because it's now your job to tell the twins, your

890
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: job tell your kids, Like, you know, you want to

891
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: be a director, you know what I mean. I didn't know.

892
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know my calling would be film. I knew

893
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: every film in high school I would quote the films.

894
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: I would get kicked out of class for screaming like

895
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: Onno Schwarzenegger, Predator, doing Eddie Murphy, you know what I mean.

896
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: But no counsel of academy is like, man, you interested

897
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: in film, That's what's crazy, you know what I mean.

898
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Or that dude that's beating on the table rapping at

899
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: lunch time to me and you both know, ain't no

900
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: counsel and said, hey, man, let me you should take

901
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: a music music class, and you know, it's like, no,

902
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: get your ass out, you know what I mean. So

903
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of like now to be able to just

904
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: to to create worlds that kids understand what you're doing

905
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: at an early age actually could be a real career

906
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: for you. Well, they're just not you know that It's

907
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: not just music or basketball no more nothing, you know,

908
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many way and that's one of

909
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: the main reasons why I started the Twins podcast and

910
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: it's taken off, and obviously shout out the Malcolm team

911
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: and Malcolm family for helping me do that, but showing

912
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: them at the age you know, ship me and Jack

913
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: got into the weird damn near forty, you know, the

914
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Twins got into it when they were eleven, you know

915
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's starting to build that and

916
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: then all the producing another show for them as well,

917
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: so just kind of getting them behind the scenes. Like

918
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, sports is great, but there's just so many

919
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: more things you can do. And like you said, we

920
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: had very few options coming up, like you got into space,

921
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: Like all we had was hoop, you know what I mean.

922
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: But to open those doors at an early age and

923
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: let you know you could be anything you fucking want,

924
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: That's right. That's what I think. It's our job, with

925
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: the opportunities now to open those stores for people and

926
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: just say it. I mean, the easiest thing is just

927
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: say it, Like don't nobody even say it when you're younger,

928
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: like man, you can do anything you want to do,

929
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Like you would hear that on the commercial, you know

930
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. But most people in in our neighborhoods,

931
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, because they didn't do it, so they don't

932
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: have a road map, you know what I mean. Like

933
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like the hate come is like

934
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: here you are trying to do something and all these

935
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: casts before you ain't never do this today. Yeah whatever,

936
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: So it's like damn man, Like you know, so I

937
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: think just saying it, man, but you're not just saying that,

938
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: You're actually putting energy and effort into the words. So streight, Um,

939
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: you spoke on family, your producing partners, your wife, what

940
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: is that dynamic? Like dope is that? Jesus? It's great.

941
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: It's great because she's also my best friend. Um. You know,

942
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: it's crazy man, because during the pandem me um, there

943
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: were so many people divorcing, you know, because it was

944
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: because the first time, the first time it was around heat.

945
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: I was hearing all these stories and people was like, man,

946
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know who I was living with,

947
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, that's crazy. Like I just felt

948
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: so blessed man, because like you know, I was able

949
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: to be with the woman that was my friend, you

950
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So yeah, first, so the pandemic

951
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: to us was like we was kicking it, you know

952
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's great because she's a lot

953
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: smarter than me. You know, I'm just a creative hound

954
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: man and she's a very book smart, you know, very organized.

955
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quarious man, I'm all over the place. I'm

956
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: going left, I'm going right, you know what I mean.

957
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: She's the other side of that, you know. So she's like,

958
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: you gotta focus and do this now, and I'm like, okay,

959
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: I'll do that. But it's fantastic because we don't get

960
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: in each other's way ever. She lets me be the

961
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: director and I let her be the producer. Now, when

962
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: it comes to producing stuff, we produced differently. You know.

963
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: She knows how to physically produced a film. I know

964
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: how to physically produced. Like the money and the capital talent,

965
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: you know what i mean. All starts working together. And

966
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: what a great year this has been, man like for

967
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: the first time, like we've been doing this for a

968
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: long time and she just started getting all the recognition

969
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: that she needs. She got a little card deal, go

970
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: a little card with got a Bentley deal. Yeah, I'm

971
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: sitting there and she get the car like, oh, that's

972
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Badley for me, Like, no, it's Billy for you like

973
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: the doors opened the off. She was the first black

974
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: woman to be given a marketing campaign from Bentley exactly. Yeah,

975
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: and look big shout out to Bentley for that, man,

976
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: because what they realized was and they didn't want no rapper,

977
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: they didn't want no athlete. They wanted a woman that

978
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: built herself, sell made. And it was rocks In. Man.

979
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is crazy. What's crazy? And

980
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: that was when they really came and shot the Bidley commercial.

981
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was an extra. Yeah, yo,

982
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: stand back there and hold the kids. I'm like, you know,

983
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: I was like, dude in the background, you have to

984
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: ask the bar of the car. Yeah. Yeah, and I

985
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: and I got to drive it once. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

986
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, talk to us about that magical day of

987
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: burger king how this all got started. Man, come on,

988
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: what was your game? What was your game? Like, I

989
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: want to hear what did she want to whop her

990
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: with cheese? No? I said that shape? He said shape.

991
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: That's dropped that line. Now. I was like buying some

992
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: food and she was at the back on the fries

993
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: and she was like, who is that? She saw you?

994
00:50:53,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: She wasna that cl she better come on I went

995
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: to burn King with a whole bunch of my friends. Man,

996
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: it's like ten of us in a in a geo storm,

997
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: you know how it is. Man Like we're coming from

998
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: the hood, bouncing in there. We do whatever, and I'm

999
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: like all of us was looking at her, like, yo,

1000
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: who is that? You know what I mean? Did? I

1001
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: ended up doing what I do, hung back for a minute,

1002
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: played you don't play the back. Finally I was like,

1003
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, get I'm not that light skinned, man, I'm

1004
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: actually kind of l skin. You got light skin moves,

1005
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: I got a couple of moves. I got a dark soul.

1006
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, I'm actually happy I got that

1007
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: phone up. But changed my life. How much of the NBA?

1008
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Do you watch? All of it? Man? Um? It's so

1009
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: easy now with all the technology now, I mean nothing,

1010
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: you can't miss nothing, you know, even if you miss

1011
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: a game. It's like NBA TV, online, Instagram. It's like

1012
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: everybody posting this. It's pretty great. But I think it's

1013
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: great about the NBA right now? Man? Is that? Um?

1014
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I just love man to stand that the league took

1015
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: during the George Floyd movement. Man, Like I thought a

1016
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand how powerful that was. Straight up.

1017
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: They caught a lot of flat four the things that

1018
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: they did, from shirts, two shoes to right on the

1019
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: court to the hundred million dollars. But you know it

1020
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: took a lot. Man, And shout out to my brother

1021
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: Kenny smith Man, like I love Kenny and I love

1022
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: what inside the NBA was doing it during that time,

1023
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: Like Kenny got up and walked out like it. I

1024
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: like what the NBA did, man, So they're gonna I'm

1025
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: gonna always support that brand, you know what I mean. Um,

1026
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: we do need more black coaches, you know what I mean,

1027
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: We need all of it. But I think it can

1028
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: get there because they have the door open and they're

1029
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: listening and they're trying to figure out how to do

1030
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: what they need to do. And that's big man for

1031
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: organizations like that. You know, you think about NFL, Ain't

1032
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: no movement, right, So while we sitting up here doing

1033
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: all that, like, ain't no movement, you know what I mean,

1034
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Every now and then they'll throw something out there like yo,

1035
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: how about that, like ain't no movement? Man? When you

1036
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: see black coaches can't get no job, Guys getting put

1037
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: off the team it's like politically, man, they haven't made

1038
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: any to me. I haven't seen any strides where you're like, yo,

1039
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: that's dope. They actually really did that, you know what

1040
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean. But the NBA did a really really good

1041
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: job of, you know, getting behind the culture. Who in

1042
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: the n B A do you remind yourself your kind

1043
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: of game? You got to compare your game to someone.

1044
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: Come on, don't do that question because he said he

1045
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: was braun. So he didn't, Yes, he did. He didn't

1046
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: say this game was like bro. That's why I asked.

1047
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: I want to laugh when I hear these. Maybe you'll

1048
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: be man, I don't know. You know what, I'll tell

1049
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: you this. I don't know, man, you know what my

1050
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: younger days, man, I was more like a Derek Os Okay, okay,

1051
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I mean, y'all can check it out. I jumped.

1052
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: Check it out. I jumped to forty two. But I

1053
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: want every national dunk contest there was, so I was

1054
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: a very explosive to guard. I just shoot no jumpers.

1055
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: I want to dunk over the mouth, that's all, you

1056
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But later on developed a really

1057
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: really good jump shot. That's how I got paid to play.

1058
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: But the athletic side of it was my claim to fame.

1059
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: Like even when I think they just had like the

1060
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: top dunkers in the country. You on that list. I

1061
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: was on that list. You was on that list, Matt. Yeah,

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00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: but the day I used to be able to bounce

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00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think that. But but what

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00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I have learned, like as I got old, I'm trying

1065
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: to show my son now like I never like below

1066
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: the rim guys like you ought to be like then

1067
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: they don't even jump high. But they played the longest

1068
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: because we you know, I'm so you were up alow

1069
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: the room guy. But but but you don't have me

1070
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: once in a while on you because no, he'll punch you.

1071
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: But but yeah, all that jumping and all that man,

1072
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: like I feel it every day now, I'd be like, damn, man,

1073
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: my knee, my ankle on my back. I'm like, I

1074
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: remember when I was younger, I hear my dad grunt

1075
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: getting up, sitting down, Like I'd be always grunting. Now

1076
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: it's just natural. I sit down, wake up, anything I

1077
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: move as a grunt. I'm like, okay, I know with them,

1078
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why my fun my dad was grunting,

1079
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: but I know why I'm running, Like what the fund

1080
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: is going on? My body is just not moving anyway. Man,

1081
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind were winding

1082
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: up the show right now. Five most impactful films in

1083
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: your opinion? Oh um oh man, Full Metal Jacket, recently

1084
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: Predator for my own my own reason, Um Hours Classic,

1085
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Nick Nelton, Um, you know the way they used to

1086
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: talk in the movies to back the fucking crazy if

1087
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: they would come out today, stuff they were saying, jeez, braveheart, Okay, damn,

1088
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: this is tough. That last spot, Boys in the Hood Classic.

1089
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: I go with them. Five like that, all different genres

1090
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: soon pretty much your dreamcast to work with. Name five people, dreamcast.

1091
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: You know you don't have to put me on, uh,

1092
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: dream people. I would love Will Smith, Um, this would

1093
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: never happen. Daniel day Lewis because he's done acting and

1094
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: he's arguably the greatest act of all time. Denzel for sure. Um,

1095
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw Kevin Hard in there. I really like

1096
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know him. I've never met Kevin Hard, but

1097
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: I really like him. Energies great da. I would have

1098
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: similar energy like every time you both you guys walking

1099
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: the room and you have no choice but to smile.

1100
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard I would love to work with him. And

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00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: then I think my last I said Denzel right, and

1102
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: then I think my last person would have to be

1103
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: Um right now, Violin Davis. Davis, Yeah, different. I like

1104
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: that said at any courtside NBA game in the history

1105
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: of the NBA court side in any game in the history,

1106
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: not in any finals. That was quick. Yeah, I would

1107
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: have loved to see that. That was bull that was

1108
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Bulls and Jazz. Yeah, I would love to see that.

1109
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: I would love to see that show Like that game

1110
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: to me, like if because I grew up in Chicago,

1111
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: so we've seen every game like w G N like

1112
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: it was that was it, Like I feel so lucky

1113
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. But that game, for instance,

1114
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: like it was just so like iconic and it still is,

1115
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the flu game

1116
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: is the shoe, it's the shot. It's like it was

1117
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: like the whole world can't come, you know, the combination

1118
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: of everything into one. So I would love that seen that.

1119
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: If you could be on any movies that ever, how

1120
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: would it our faut? What would it be? Any movie set? Ever?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I would I would have loved to see. Um,

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00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I would have loved to be on the set of

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Speaker 1: Eyesweight shut Stanley Kubrick. That's such a crazy ass movie, man,

1124
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: Like I would just want to see and not they

1125
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: shot that movie. I think over the course of a year,

1126
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Like I would have loved to just see what was

1127
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: happening there with time. Yeah, like that's just an eccentric,

1128
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: crazy movie. Uh. Five dinner guests dead are alive? Oh man,

1129
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: Um Sydney Portier, Um, Eddie Murphy, five dinner guess um Dad,

1130
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: that's good, met Dad are alive. I would have loved

1131
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: me tupap. I would have loved just met him and heard,

1132
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, just um. One of the people would have

1133
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: been Robert Smith, but I know him like um and

1134
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: sounds Robert when other people would have been nipped. But

1135
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: I met him and knew him. He was awesome. I

1136
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: wish we could have made a film together. I think

1137
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the other two people would probably be Eddie Murpher. I mean, uh,

1138
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor. That would be awesome of course, and uh

1139
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: probably I would have liked to have Matt Robin Williams. Okay,

1140
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I just just misses out fire as itself that's funny

1141
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: as hell. Crazy is here. You want to be missed out?

1142
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: Fire you crazy man before Jack gets the last question.

1143
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, since you're in this your favorite movie, we

1144
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: didn't ask you that your favorite name? Favorite movie? You

1145
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: can't really, okay, I tell you, I mean you name impactful, Like, yeah,

1146
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: that's too many movies that, like, you know, I mean,

1147
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: too many movies, man, it's too like I would. I

1148
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: would obviously go with forty Hours is like one of

1149
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: my favorite like if it comes on, if it comes on.

1150
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: I was just telling. I was just saying this like

1151
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's gold man. It's like you can't that

1152
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: in trading places like training places and all. You're crazy

1153
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: if you turn the town. I mean, you know what

1154
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just he was. He was just that great.

1155
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He was just that great man.

1156
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't I tell you I got some My chick

1157
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: is outside. Yeah, but you wouldn't know that because you're

1158
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: a big bad white man. The whole movie is great.

1159
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: Just anything Eddie Murphy eighties class classic. Last question, you

1160
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: can have a guest on All the Smoke? Who would

1161
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: it be? But you gotta help us get that guests

1162
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Speaker 1: on here. Oh man, um fifty cent fifty. You know what,

1163
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: I'll pick three people and I'll help all three. He's

1164
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: really gonna help. But you know why I'm gonna pick

1165
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: the three. I don't y'all real pot. We got him

1166
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: on the show, but they've real pot. We got I'm

1167
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: on the show, but they're real home boys. I'm gonna

1168
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: pick three people because they should be on the show,

1169
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: because I think they're they're their interview will help Cates

1170
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: fifty and Robert Smith. Yes, yes, three would be great

1171
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: on here just because of their stories. Either one of

1172
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Speaker 1: them would be great. I'm a bag for y'all. Come on,

1173
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: you gotta do the bab jack good and begging too.

1174
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: He might get off segment, but it wasn't going well.

1175
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna start. He gonna start begging as soon as

1176
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: we get off. Think he wanted he want to get

1177
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: on that big screen. Anyone who's gonna help you get

1178
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: a scene. It will be the person we interviewing today.

1179
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: Told you Pete kirkly Man, we gotta do that. I

1180
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: got to be a part of that. I'm ready. That's

1181
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. Man. Yes, well, Dian Taylor Man, we

1182
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, man, You appreciate you. Man. Love to see

1183
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: your journey man, And like I said to getting a

1184
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: chance to meet you a long time ago and when

1185
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: ship wasn't going good and just to see you be

1186
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: able to perseveale and now have everything of your own

1187
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: with you and Rock Sand and your team and built

1188
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: this beautiful man in and again, how you when you

1189
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: say you're gonna do something, you do it when you

1190
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: when you mentor when you open those doors. It's the

1191
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: family environment and we don't get that all time, especially

1192
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: you know how in this Hollywood ships and man, we

1193
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: want to thank you for being you, thank you for

1194
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: coming through and keep being great. Man. Oh man, appreciate you.

1195
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man. You got to wrap. Dion Taylor.

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Speaker 1: You catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the I

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Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week.

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