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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack arm Strong, Jetty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and Key arm Strong and Gay.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 3: We are on vacation, but boy, do we have some good.

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Speaker 2: Stuff for you. Yes, indeed we do.

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Speaker 4: And if you want to catch up on your ang

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Speaker 3: Now on with the infotainment ELSA is a liar. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: It's all about Ai. Speaking of Ai.

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Speaker 4: Ah Yeah, so Layer listener Mike sent us an email

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Speaker 4: with an intriguing link to chat GPT. He was trying

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Speaker 4: to remember specifically how I worded something the other day

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Speaker 4: about swimming in a pool of Satan's sulfurous boiling hot

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Speaker 4: urine or something like that, and uh, and he couldn't remember.

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Speaker 4: He talked about us uh, replacing Rush Limbaugh as his favorite.

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Speaker 4: You know, Klay and Buck never talk about waiting in

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Speaker 4: a sea of urine, at least as far as I've heard.

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Speaker 4: They do not have my flair for Wordsmith or anyway,

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Speaker 4: So he asked chat GPT, Hey, what did Joe say exactly?

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Speaker 2: And it told him.

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Speaker 4: Immediately and then uh, then he says, uh. It continued

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Speaker 4: to I decided to train it by saying this is

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Speaker 4: my exact sense of humor, and it continued to come

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Speaker 4: back with more and more quotes from the show, but

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Speaker 4: amusing to Jack and myself. It also came back with

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Speaker 4: comments like, uh, we had a conversation about Putin being

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Speaker 4: a war criminal. I said, I trust this guy like

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Speaker 4: I trust gas Station. They don't hold back on blunt

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Speaker 4: global judgments and those instantly memorable visuals. Okay, Jack Armstrong

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Speaker 4: riffing on political caution, boarding up my house when I

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Speaker 4: see you're wearing a helmet as well, That absurd is

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Speaker 4: twist on paranoia is pure A and G.

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Speaker 2: And then this is one of my favorites.

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Speaker 4: On flights packed with wheelchairs and as Joe says, they're

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Speaker 4: magically heal tering the flight. It's a miracle. They lampoon

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Speaker 4: the system while staying hilarious. Thank you, chet GPT.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, but they lampoon the system while staying alarious.

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Speaker 4: That's chet GPT's review of our show. Well, so I

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Speaker 4: agree with you that AI does have ways to.

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Speaker 3: Go or it's hallucinating completely, which is the problem we've

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Speaker 3: got here with ELSA. So ELSA is the new AI

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Speaker 3: thing they're using at the FDA. One of the most

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Speaker 3: concrete claims that anybody who's pro AI has been making

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Speaker 3: sense its inception is what it could do with like

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Speaker 3: medicines and health care and stuff like that, that it

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Speaker 3: could just figure out all kinds of health complicated health things.

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Speaker 4: Fastially, yeah, diagnosis, figuring out drugs, all kinds of different things,

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Speaker 4: way faster than human beings could.

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Speaker 3: And so this ELSA has been working on some of

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Speaker 3: this stuff at the FDA, and they just have discovered

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Speaker 3: that it is doing a lot of hallucinating in the

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Speaker 3: way that AI does, and nobody's exactly sure why or

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Speaker 3: if it can be stopped. But for some reason, like

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Speaker 3: my one kid used to be when he was six,

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Speaker 3: if you ask him a question and he didn't know

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Speaker 3: he for some reason, why my son is a little

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Speaker 3: kid couldn't say I don't know, he would make something up.

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Speaker 3: But I finally caught on to that and I'd say,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to do that, Just tell me I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's perfectly fine to say I don't.

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Speaker 4: No. Yeah, kids are rewarded and praised for knowing the

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Speaker 3: So I get why a six year old would do that.

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Speaker 3: Why's Ai do it because he gets a cookie or

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Speaker 3: you say, man, you're smart. Anyway, Elsa was making stuff

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Speaker 3: And uh, some within the FDA so say, it's really

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Speaker 3: really not as helpful as they were hoping in that

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Speaker 2: And it goes so far as to like make up

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Speaker 3: All the data you know, and it you know, we

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Speaker 4: It just makes this crap up. This is audio, so

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Speaker 4: you don't know, I'm making my what face? And I'll

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Speaker 2: Lot of y'all are too. That's crazy. All the details

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not that surprising given the fact that what

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Speaker 2: Cites the law Google v. Tennessee. It's not completely made up.

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Speaker 3: What an interesting thing that just seems to occur, apparently

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Speaker 3: or just open AI. They all AI does this. It's

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's practically impossible to explain technically, and you find

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Speaker 4: yourself going to you said, it has a need, and

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't know about you. My coffee machine

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Speaker 4: it's just a machine. Uh, what what is it that

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Speaker 2: It's just nuts.

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Speaker 4: So the speaking of nuts, before I forget, I brought

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Speaker 4: to you yesterday the article about the guy who was

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Speaker 4: having manic episodes in Borderline Psychosis and chat GPT just

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Speaker 4: kept egging him on.

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Speaker 2: I read further.

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Speaker 4: Into that and it's it seems to have a need

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure it was programmed into it in one

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Speaker 4: is kind of fun if you're using it for something.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to London. I'm really into history.

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Speaker 4: I'd appreciate your recommending this. And it does and says

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Speaker 4: we can tell you more Winston Churchill sites if you like,

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Speaker 4: and I say yes, please, and it says great, and

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Speaker 4: it's kind of endearing, but evidently it goes way too

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Speaker 3: It does do that. Yeah, I had never really noticed

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Speaker 3: it until you said it. It is cheerful and enthusiastic,

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Speaker 4: I am including when you're delusional and heading towardumental breakdown.

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Speaker 4: I know you're right, you are smart. It's the other

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't had a hallucination yet where I like,

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Speaker 2: It's the best great breakfast place.

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Speaker 3: And I end up going to forty third and H

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Speaker 3: just completely made up a place that serves friends, show

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Speaker 3: mos pancakes. You got to go to mos pancakes if

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Speaker 2: Maybe that'll happen someday.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, briefly, just to get back to this, so, the

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Speaker 3: agency was already using ELSA, their their AI chat thingy

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Speaker 3: scientific evaluations, identify high priority inspection targets, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: They're at the FDA, but.

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Speaker 3: Now they've had to pull way back because of the hallucinations.

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Speaker 3: And they talk about how it's still very very handy

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Speaker 2: So AI is really good at that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But that's wild.

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Speaker 3: If this wouldn't it be something If this all gets

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Speaker 3: stymied by you can't figure out why, it just lies

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Speaker 3: list of instructions. One of our beloved listeners gave to

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Speaker 3: whatever AI system he was using, and it was it

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Speaker 3: was damn near a dozen different instructions about if you

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Speaker 3: do not know, say so, do not create anything, do

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Speaker 3: not make anything up. If you are speculating or based

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Speaker 3: was again, it was at least half a dozen, and

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Speaker 4: It's weird that that's necessary. But I wonder whether that

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Speaker 4: It's certainly one of those you remember that robot whirling

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Speaker 4: at putting the rivet there in the bumper, but stay

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Speaker 4: out arranged, Jim hear if you hear the thing, if

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Speaker 4: you see the overheating light, come on, step back.

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Speaker 3: Prices are going up already or about to go up

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Speaker 4: when tolerance is taken too far, societies become totalitarian and

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Speaker 3: Brett Stevens New York Times, Israel is not committing a genocide.

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Speaker 3: I want to read a little from that, just so

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Speaker 6: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getti the Armstrong and Getty Show,

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Speaker 6: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 7: High pretension is something that will be recognized with lower numbers.

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Speaker 7: Used to be one forty was the number you really

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Speaker 7: paid attention to before thinking about treatment. Now it's one thirty,

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Speaker 7: and they want to talk about treating that more aggressively. So,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's interesting if you look at one twenty.

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Speaker 7: Most people know these numbers, but one twenty over eighty

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Speaker 7: and lower that's considered normal. One twenty to one twenty

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Speaker 7: where people are really starting to pay attention. If you

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Speaker 7: have blood pressure that falls into that range for three

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Speaker 7: to six months, you should try, you know, basic lifestyle changes,

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Speaker 7: which you know, diet, exercise, cutting back on salt. But

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Speaker 7: that doesn't work after six months, you probably need to

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Speaker 7: be thinking about medication.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's is I'm I'm always cynical about this sort

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Speaker 3: of thing. I know it's not always warranted, but man,

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Speaker 3: there's a tremendous amount of money to be made if

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Speaker 3: you lower that number.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm such a fool. I hadn't even thought

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Speaker 4: of that. I was thinking in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 4: what is the ideal. You're a great athlete, you're perfectly

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Speaker 4: healthy level of blood pressure. But no, you're right, My god,

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Speaker 4: there's there's there's so much money to.

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Speaker 3: Be billions and billions and billions of dollars to be

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Speaker 5: Or I hear Ram Emmanuel is gonna run for president?

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Speaker 4: and he clearly was because it was all us. The

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Speaker 4: second thing is his argument that it was merely the

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Speaker 4: intelligentsia of the Democratic Party that came up with a

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Speaker 4: conspiracy to get rid of Biden, and that's why it happened,

445
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Speaker 4: as opposed to seventy five to eighty percent of America

446
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Speaker 4: was run around saying the guy's too old to be president.

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Speaker 2: Or that the New York Times was your enemy.

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Speaker 3: They stood, They covered for your dad the entire time

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Speaker 3: until it was I mean they still are, because they

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Speaker 3: still haven't come forward and admitted that they were ignoring

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Speaker 3: it to try to keep Trump from getting elected again.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, the New York Times was on your side.

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Speaker 3: They had their thumb on the scale, so hard for you,

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Speaker 3: and you're acting like the New York Times was your

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Speaker 3: enemy and that's what kept you down. That's hilarious, seriously delusional,

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Speaker 3: absolutely amazing that he looks at the world that way,

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Speaker 3: especially after the debate. Well, and I know you're leading

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Speaker 3: to that clip, but I'm not done yet. So his

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Speaker 3: I lost my train of thought. His always think at

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Speaker 3: the beginning, were you surprised your dad dropped out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely you were. You were surprised that that happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't. I can't with these people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just.

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Speaker 4: How long before he dropped out? Was it that I

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Speaker 4: was saying, I'm one hundred percent certain he's dropping out?

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Speaker 2: A year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And in granted, you know, sometimes a blind pig

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Speaker 4: finds an acorn, but no, I was one hundred percent confident.

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Speaker 4: The math just did not work. You could not get

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Speaker 4: him through a presidential campaign to election day and it

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Speaker 4: didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: But Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 4: Didn't see it coming at all until the intelligence you

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Speaker 4: launched their evil plot.

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Speaker 3: I know the other part that I hate. So his

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Speaker 3: level of victimhood and delusion. My dad was in public service,

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Speaker 3: and the New York Times is against us, and they

478
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Speaker 3: put all these hurdles in front of us. You're talking

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Speaker 3: about millionaires in Beverly Hills and white guys. You're a

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Speaker 3: rich You're in the top point zero eight zeros to

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Speaker 3: the one percent of elite in the world have been

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Speaker 3: your whole life, got that rich and then didn't pay taxes,

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Speaker 3: and you're still living in a place. I believe that's

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Speaker 3: like thirty thousand dollars a month paid for by somebody else.

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Speaker 4: How do you have the balls to talk about rich

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Speaker 4: people at Beverly Hills. He is a seriously nutty guy.

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Speaker 3: God, I'd say again, I'm surprised he sober, or I

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Speaker 3: wonder if he actually is. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: gonna be able to stay sober at that attitude. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: he explains why his dad failed on the debate stage.

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Speaker 5: And then they said, well, look, it's all gonna come

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Speaker 5: down to this state of the Union speech. Goulda come

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Speaker 5: down to the state of Union speech. I was, and

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Speaker 5: he knocks it out of the park.

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Speaker 2: And it was that one debate that caused the full back.

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Speaker 5: Set man, and I'll tell you what I know exactly

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Speaker 5: what happened in that debate. He flew around the world,

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Speaker 5: basically the mileage that he could have flown around the

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Speaker 5: world three times. Yeah, he's eighty one years old, he's

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Speaker 5: tired of give him ambient.

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Speaker 2: To be able to sleep.

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Speaker 5: He gets up on the stage and he looks like

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Speaker 5: he's a deer in the headlights. And it feeds into

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Speaker 5: every story that anybody wants to tell.

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Speaker 2: And Jake Tapper with literally.

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Speaker 5: How many anonymous sources if this was a conspiracy?

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Speaker 2: Andrew you know this.

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Speaker 5: Somehow the entirety of a white house in which you

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Speaker 5: literally living on top of each other, has kept their

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Speaker 5: mouths shut about you know, like what in what's conspiracy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah that Joe Biden got old. Yeah he got old.

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Speaker 2: He got old before our eyes. I don't even think

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Speaker 2: that needs any comment.

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Speaker 3: So some of the details of a utation, some of

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Speaker 3: the details on that I'm quoting News Nation. I haven't

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Speaker 3: done the fact checking on this myself, but I assume

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Speaker 3: they're right.

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Speaker 2: He had nine days to get ready for that debate.

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Speaker 3: After all, his traveling around, his traveling, having to travel

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Speaker 3: so much included his choice to fly from the big

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Speaker 3: G seven or G eighteen or whatever meeting they were having.

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Speaker 3: He flew back to Hollywood to do the George Clooney fundraiser,

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Speaker 3: then had to go back to the meeting.

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Speaker 2: That's your choice, dude.

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Speaker 3: You got a debate coming up in a week or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and you want to do that, go ahead, knock yourself out.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you chose the date for the debate.

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Speaker 3: If you remember how that unfolded, Trump and we were

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Speaker 3: amazed by this at the time, gave up everything venue

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Speaker 3: day moderators. Trump just said, you know, however you want

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Speaker 3: to do it, we'll do it. So you chose the date.

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Speaker 2: How are you blaming this on like circumstances.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's just he's obviously delusional. He knocked it

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Speaker 4: out of the park. The State of the Union. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he shouted in a weird, manic way for the longest time,

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Speaker 4: and the very intelligency Hunter's blame Aim. We're backing Biden that, Oh,

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Speaker 4: he knocked it out of the park, whereas most of

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Speaker 4: America said, no, it was weird and off putting. But again,

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Speaker 4: the guy's just he's lost his marbles. Whether it was

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Speaker 4: the cracker he's born that way, or entitlement. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but he just he doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 3: God, he is so entitled and a victim and just

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Speaker 3: like the worst kind of character you can imagine. I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be involved with him in any way.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he's like a black hole of negative energy

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Speaker 4: and victimhood.

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Speaker 2: God, i'd say, Hunter, you're a loser. He is.

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Speaker 3: He is absolutely a loser who happened to be born,

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Speaker 3: you know, into one of the most powerful families on earth.

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Speaker 2: Here he is.

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Speaker 4: Blamed painter there for six months now, I mean, unbelievably talented.

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Speaker 4: Here he is funny how those paintings aren't selling anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the styles come and go. That's a

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Speaker 2: good point. Here he is blaming some other people.

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Speaker 5: The people that came out against him were who nobody

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Speaker 5: except Speaker Pelosi emeredis Speaker of Meredith Pelosi did not

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Speaker 5: give a full throat an endorsement, which allowed everybody else

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Speaker 5: to kind of go okay, except who came out full

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Speaker 5: thrown Progressives AOC Bernie, the entire progressive bring Roe Connam,

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Speaker 5: the entirety of the progressive side of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 5: said Joe Biden has got more of our agenda accomplished

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Speaker 5: in four years than any president in history.

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Speaker 3: You know, this might actually be important in that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was regularly portrayed throughout his career as like a centrist.

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Speaker 3: Was he way more progressive than he let on all

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Speaker 3: those years? I mean, because Hunter thinking that David Axelrod

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Speaker 3: and Ram Emmanuel are a ridiculous choice.

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Speaker 2: No, that sounds like a pretty good choice to.

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Speaker 3: Try to get the Democratic Party back on track and

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Speaker 3: like in the mainstream of America. But he's touting the

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Speaker 3: aocs and the birdies of the world as being like

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Speaker 3: the center of the party. So maybe the whole Biden

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Speaker 3: klan was just way more progressive than we ever realized.

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Speaker 3: Or Biden was just a weather vein through his entire

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Speaker 3: career and especially in his final years in office when

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Speaker 3: he was clearly senile. He was so in the thrall

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Speaker 3: of his progressive advisors and he was convinced that's where

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Speaker 3: the energy in the party was. And he's right to

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Speaker 3: some extent that he just did the weather vein that

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Speaker 3: he is turned in that direction.

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Speaker 2: I think that's more likely.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, my last comment on this would be if Hunter,

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Speaker 3: if anybody thinks Joe Biden would have won if he'd

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Speaker 3: have stayed in. I don't I don't even think there's

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Speaker 3: a point in trying to have a conversation with you.

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Speaker 3: Or you're crazy. You're crazy. If you think Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: staying in the race he would have won. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're absolutely flutely deluded. Maybe that helps you.

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Speaker 2: Sleep at night.

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Speaker 4: That in the handle of vodka. It's an ambient, but

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Speaker 4: give it nine days to bounce back from that ambient.

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Speaker 2: Man's rough stuff. Of course, that's the person, crazy person.

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Speaker 3: First time we've ever heard about Biden being on ambien,

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Speaker 3: So who knows if that's true or not. He didn't

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Speaker 3: look like a guy who needed ambien to go to sleep,

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Speaker 3: and look like all he needed to do was just.

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Speaker 2: Be in a room.

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Speaker 4: Well, and during the debate prep eight or nine days. Famously,

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Speaker 4: according to multiple accounts, he would tire of the prep

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Speaker 4: a few minutes in and go sit by the pool

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Speaker 4: and stare into space.

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Speaker 2: Right right.

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Speaker 4: But it was just a cabal of insidious intelligentsia that

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Speaker 4: convinced us all that he was too old.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Hunter, you're right. Those bastards.

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Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 3: We were wondering if, like, if he used the therapist

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Speaker 3: Harry on chat GPT, if it's different than just generally

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Speaker 3: asking questions a way the rest of us have been doing.

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Speaker 2: What did you find out, Katie?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's significantly different. So for example, I just used

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Speaker 8: like one of the medications from my IVF process, and

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Speaker 8: chat GPT regular kind of sympathized with that it might

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Speaker 8: make me not feel good, but then gave me a

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Speaker 8: list of resources and things I can do to feel

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Speaker 8: better in all this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was totally unaware is Katie pointed out this

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Speaker 4: segment that they have like individual bots with specialized programming

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Speaker 4: for different topics, including the number one being astrology. So

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Speaker 4: there's no hope for humanity. But number two was find

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Speaker 4: my celebrity look alike, And so I did that.

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Speaker 2: I uploaded a photo and it struggled for a while.

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Speaker 4: I could tell it was thinking, Chase, if somebody looked

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Speaker 4: like you, they wouldn't be a celebrity.

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Speaker 2: That's what do we tell this guy did give you? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Did he give you Barney Rubble?

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Speaker 4: Looking No, As a younger man, I did resemble the

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Speaker 4: great Barney Rubble a great deal. Uh. Looking closely at

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Speaker 4: your features, strong brow lines, expressive forehead, square jaw, with

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Speaker 4: a salt and pepper beard, and a slightly rugged but

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Speaker 4: approachable look. Hey, it's doing pretty well so far. If

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Speaker 4: it is, you have a resemblance to Nick Nolty in

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Speaker 4: his later years Lute Hollywood and Sleeping on park bench.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Buddy Holly, Nick Nolty, not now, Nick Nolty.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, unfortunately not, and also a bit of Kurt

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Speaker 4: Russell in his more recent roles. Again in Nignulty, resemblance

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Speaker 4: comes through in the weathered, expressive foreheadlines and the way

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Speaker 4: your beard frames your face, especially like Nolty around the

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Speaker 4: two thousands. Ah oh oh, they cite Kurt Russell and

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Speaker 4: the hate late Yes, if only.

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Speaker 3: The fact that the number one use for AI for

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Speaker 3: Dunderpates is astrology.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that you're combining like.

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Speaker 3: The most cutting edge advanced thing human beings have ever

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Speaker 3: come up with with the most old timey dumbest from

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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand years ago, reading the stars for your future.

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Speaker 4: Well, more importantly, I need Katie to react with complete

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Speaker 4: honesty to this. Your look has that mix of ruggedness

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Speaker 4: and warmth that both of those actors are known for

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Speaker 4: in their later careers.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd probably agree, wouldn't you nailed that?

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Speaker 3: Why is that thing giving you all positive feedback? And

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Speaker 3: there's no You look sort of like a hobo I

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Speaker 3: saw on the way to work, or just are you

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Speaker 3: all right?

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Speaker 2: Do you have medical professionals you can call?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how long did the doctor tell you had? Oh? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: On one final AI note, Katie mentioned this headline Jeffrey Hinton,

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Speaker 4: often called the godfather of AI. He's calling on researchers

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Speaker 4: to design systems that will take care of us like

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Speaker 4: we're babies, And we all reacted like, I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: I need that, but thanks very much. But I read

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Speaker 4: what Hinton's reasoning is that's the only way to keep

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Speaker 4: them from becoming like our overlords who shred us and

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Speaker 4: take our organs for whatever purpose. He's like, we need

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Speaker 4: to make machines that are smarter than us to care

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Speaker 4: for us, like we're there babies. We need to imbue

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Speaker 4: them with genuine concern for human well being.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise really, yeah, so we need to convince AI to

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Speaker 3: care about.

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Speaker 2: Us so they don't, you know, eat us.

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Speaker 1: Wow, the Armstrong and Getty show yea or Jack or

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