1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Dear listener, You're about to experience a conversation that is 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: extraordinarily unique, and I would say it's pretty special because 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: what we have done is gathered three superstar Latino Latina 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: LATINX Latine journalists who together have covered our community for 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: several decades, and if I include myself in the conversation, 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: we have over one hundred years of journalistic experience. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: In the United States. 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: The high speed vote demonstration. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: For the Principetti with the big election just weeks away, Beauty. 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 3: Queens Vicky Martin. 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: There are Devilax, humanitarian christ There's. 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: So many mass shootings in this country. 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 5: Te Barack Obama, Dio Compestina is about to record. 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 4: Marillina Selinas, Johnes Palamas. 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: From Futuro Media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: noo Posa. Today we continue our special election coverage for 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the Latino factor, how we vote. We're 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: talking about Latino media coverage with the Latino and Latina 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: journalists who have covered it all. Jianquinonez, Marie Lena Salinas 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: and Baola Ramos. Just a few weeks ago, I was 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: in Aspen, Colorado, celebrating Latino excellence at the third annual Raisado. 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 6: Festival Rai Sado Fisiva. 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: There was a lot of music, there was dancing, there 24 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: was food. There were actors like Justina Machado and Diyuego Luna. 25 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: But there were also. 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: Latino media icons reporters in our community who have been 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: covering politics for decades. So of course I wanted to 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: ask them what they think of the political tug of 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: war to get the Latino vote, the second largest voting 30 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: cohort in the United States, and to talk about what 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: the next generation of Latino voters looks like. So on 32 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: a cool Saturday morning, way before anybody else was up 33 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: and before all of the festivities at the Raisado Festival began, 34 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: we met up at the recording studios of Aspen Public Radio. 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Before we're going to jump into the conversation, I actually 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: want each of you to introduce yourselves to how you 37 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: believe our audience knows you and how you know someone 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: from this little round table. We're going to start with you. 39 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: We're going to start with you. Who are you? 40 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 6: John Quinones born in San Antonio, Texas, Chicano Mexican American 41 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 6: father was a janitor. My mom used to clean houses. 42 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 6: We were migrant farm workers. When I was thirteen, I 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 6: had a dream of being a reporter, and the dream 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 6: came to But of what I do, I'm doing what 45 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 6: I always wanted to do is tell stories, and I'm 46 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 6: still doing them after all these decades. 47 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: Our next guest shall reveal herself. 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: Marie Lena Salinas. 49 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: Yay, and I am also Mexican American, right, but not 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: from Texas, from California, born in La Mexican parents. 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: And how do people know me? 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: I think that people know me because I was as 53 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: the La Sopa for so many years for these poor 54 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: young people who were forced to watch TV in Spanish 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: and Univision during the dinner time and didn't happen to 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: have video games or a cell phone to escape ya 57 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: Maria Salina benicosaki yo. So I was anchored Univision for 58 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: very many years, thirty seven years. The first six years 59 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: it was at channel thirty four and the other thirty 60 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: one were at Univision. And that's not what I do now. 61 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I am a contributor with ABC News right now. 62 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: But you know, your question was what do you think 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: people know you for? And I think that's what people 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: know me for. And I know people here. John I 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: know because of NHJ. That's where I met him National 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: Association of Hispanic Journalists forty years ago. And Maria Maria, 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 4: I also met you at NHJ. Yes, Sorrymas introduced this 68 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 4: on the dance floor, So. 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: I met you on the dance floor. 70 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: I met you dancing Zachament and have admired you ever since. 71 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 4: And Paula I've known since she was born. Literally I 72 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 4: did because her dad, Ramos, and I were co anchors 73 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: for thirty something years at a Nibson. 74 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: Lay stage Pudo. 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: So I've watched her grow into this amazing young woman 76 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: who is not only brilliant, but kind and empathetic and 77 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 4: just amazing overall. 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: Okay, well, she told everybody who you are. 79 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 5: Ramos Mexican American, Cuban American with a Spanish accent. I 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 5: grew up literally in the studio of Marie Lena Salinas 81 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 5: and my dad. I feel like I grew up spending 82 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 5: my summers and really like seeing the evolution of Marie 83 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 5: Lena become this like icon and then also at the 84 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 5: same time hearing my dad say, but you can also 85 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 5: be a Maria and no Josa and break into the 86 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: English language cable Unis network, and I feel like that's 87 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 5: where I find myself. 88 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 7: No, sort of like dipping my toes in both. 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 5: Foreign journalists are generally blocked from entering the country to 90 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 5: report in the regime, but as tensions boiled over last July, 91 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 5: we risk detention and enter Cuba as tourists and trying 92 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: to like constantly figure out what does the young Latino 93 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 5: audience wants. 94 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 7: That is the question that I'm constantly trying to. 95 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: Not that there's any pressure, of course. 96 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 7: Oh and that's the beauty. 97 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: We don't. 98 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 7: We don't. We're figuring it out. We don't know. 99 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: It's okay to not know. So I should probably say 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: how I know each of you. So, John, I saw 101 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: you locally in Chicago, then on the front lines in Nicaragua, 102 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, what But always 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: with humanity, Mariolena was a star. So when I meet 104 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: you on the dance floor, I was like, you know, 105 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's Mariolena. And we 106 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: quickly became friends and then colleagues and Baola she appears 107 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: on the scene and it's like, oh, jor Ramos's daughter, 108 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: which I know is hard, but we have all witnessed 109 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: your growth as a journalist, a solid journalist with a 110 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: persona that is really important, and we do have quickly 111 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: become friends. So I was like, I have to be 112 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: able to talk to all three, all four of us 113 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: in this conversation. 114 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: And by the way, you can interrupt. 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: Let's breaking the rules. 116 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 6: You know, we ask questions. We don't like being interviewed, right, we. 117 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: Want interview you. 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: But the thing is John, and I'm going to start 119 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: with you because you well you are Albitrano, you are 120 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: a bit right in English language news, we were watching you. 121 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering, because you've done it all in 122 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: terms of reporting, how do you see the state of 123 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: journalism in the United States of America right now? 124 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 6: Well, we used to cover stories in a bigger way 125 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 6: than we do now. Part of it is that technology. 126 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 6: Folks can get the video to us so quickly from 127 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 6: Latin America, which is where I cut. My teeth was 128 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 6: based in the Miami Bureau starting in nineteen eighty two, 129 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 6: with Peter Jennings assigned to cover Nicara well Salad Or 130 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 6: Panama The Invasion. My producer Robert Gompos was kidnapped in fact, 131 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 6: in Panama when the US invaded in nineteen eighty nine. 132 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: After a full day into this invasion, it is still 133 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: not clear tonight who controls the streets of the Capitol. 134 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 6: So back then we used to literally jump on lear 135 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 6: jet planes and go cover the story on a moment's notice, 136 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 6: and we did it often, and it costs a lot 137 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 6: of money. So budgets have gotten a little bit tighter, 138 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 6: and again the technology isn't such that you have to 139 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 6: carry all that equipment. But as far as Latinos and journalism, 140 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 6: I'm really proud of what ABC is doing. I mean, 141 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 6: we have a multitude now of talent and Latinos and 142 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 6: Latinas and Latina's right in LATINX and that's impressive. I'm 143 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 6: so glad Madelena Salinas is with us now talking about 144 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 6: the Hispanic vote on ABC News in on Nightline. 145 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: And the Latino vote in the hotly contested state of 146 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 4: Florida could play a huge role in choosing who goes 147 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: to the White House. 148 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 6: I'm a guy who sees the glass half full. I 149 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 6: know we have problems and that we don't have enough 150 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 6: Latinos in powermaking position the guys who tell Marie, Lena 151 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 6: and jan Kinyonis and Paola where to go on a 152 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 6: story or green light a story. I love the fact 153 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 6: that I've crossed over into entertainment a little bit in 154 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 6: that What would You Do? This show is a hybrid 155 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 6: between news and entertainment, so the question is what would 156 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 6: you do? 157 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 8: Is I was here all the time because it's so 158 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 8: popular among kids and especially young people's. 159 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 6: It blows me away that I reinvented myself. This whld 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 6: veteran of news now has a show that young people 161 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 6: just love. I mean, my kids told me, Dad, you're 162 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 6: blowing up on TikTok a couple of years ago. Excuse me, ma'am. 163 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 6: I'm John quin Janis with the TV show What Would 164 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 6: You Do? And I said, what's TikTok? 165 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: So I love that. 166 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 6: I love that I can still bring value to journalism 167 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 6: tackling issues that are really important, racism and bullying and 168 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 6: body shaming. So I'm I'm ecstatic. I really am very 169 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 6: happy with where I'm at in my career, and I 170 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 6: think I'm looking at it through rosy glasses, but I'm 171 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 6: more encouraged than not with a state of journalism at 172 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 6: least in my little corner of the world. 173 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: No, Myria Elena. 174 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you so, Komolo is how do you 175 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: see the state of journalism now well? 176 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: Coming after John? I wish it could be an optimist 177 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: that he is. 178 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: He's always an optimist, He's always smiling, he's always happy. 179 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm as optimistic as he is. 180 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 4: In the state of journalism, I think we've deteriorated a bit, 181 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: actually a lot in the last couple of decades because 182 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: we have this issue with credibility, and gone are the 183 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: days when people used to wait until six thirty to 184 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: watch Peter Jennings or to watch Urquie and I and 185 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: if it was in Spanish, to see what the news is. 186 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: Now they watch it on TikTok, on YouTube, on any 187 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 4: social media, on x and I think that has led 188 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: to misinformation, and that is one of the things that 189 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: worries me the most about the state of journalism and 190 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: of media. 191 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: Then misinformation. 192 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 6: Twenty one percent of Hispanics rely on social media for 193 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 6: their news, and we all know that social media is 194 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 6: not journalism. No one's vetting. 195 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 5: I think that's the way that our roles are evolving, 196 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 5: right like you have to be on social media, right, 197 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 5: Like the credibility now part of the strategy of journalism, 198 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 5: fortunately or unfortunately has forced us to be everywhere. I 199 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 5: think of Madelena and my father. Today Univision newscast maybe 200 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 5: has an average of like six hundred thousand viewers per 201 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: night if they're lucky, and it used to be it 202 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 5: used to be what at least over a million, sometimes 203 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 5: two million, maybe like twenty years But then think about this. 204 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 5: Then today if Madeleine or my dad like hot f 205 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 5: he Ramos puts an Instagram ry on about that newscast, 206 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: it can get around a million views within two days. 207 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 5: So that's the difference, right the demographic that had this 208 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 5: like sacred ritual of turning on cable news. Now we're 209 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 5: looking at a Latino electorate, Latino community where the fastest 210 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 5: growing segment within US are third generation Latinas, so we 211 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 5: speak English predominantly, we are younger, The majority of us 212 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 5: are under fifty years old, the majority of us are 213 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: US born. And to your point, John, like we're living 214 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 5: on social media. We depend on social media, and the 215 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: difference between us and say like White America is that 216 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 5: our phones have become this. 217 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 7: Sort of like Survival network as well. 218 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 5: Now, like this is how we communicate with our loved 219 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: ones across the border. 220 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 7: This is how we love. 221 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: This is our part of our love language, and like 222 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 5: that is what makes it both so so dangerous and 223 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 5: beautiful at the same time. 224 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, most some of our segments on what would 225 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 6: You Do have gotten one hundred and fifty million vw oh. 226 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: Exactly, my god, can you walk anywhere? A few times? 227 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: I'm waiting they stop them fifty times in order to 228 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: do that. Love that. 229 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, Latino Journalist Legends, John Guignonez, 230 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: Marielena Salinas and Baola Ramos get into the state of journalism, 231 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: conservatism in our community and the twenty twenty four Latine vote. 232 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: Stay with usas Hey, we're back, and before the break 233 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: John Guignonez, Marielena Salinas, and Baola Ramos, we're breaking down 234 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: how journalism has changed and how social media continues to 235 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: change our profession. 236 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: Now we're going to get. 237 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Into a little bit more of the complexity of the 238 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Latino population across the United States and how we're going 239 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: in places and ways that you might not expect. Let's 240 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: jump back to our conversation. So let's let's actually move 241 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: into because the missing disinformation. We're obsessed all of us 242 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: with this because as journalists, we are meeting, in particular 243 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: fellow Latinos and Latinas Latina who are believing the miss 244 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: and disinformation in an election year. And so it is 245 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: when we are the second largest voting cohort in the 246 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: United States, we are the swing within the swing states 247 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: right now, really Latinos and Latinas are going to be 248 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: central to determining who the next president is going to be. 249 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: You know, we used to say that all the time 250 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: in every election, so that've covered ten elections, and Hawk 251 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,119 Speaker 4: and I used to say that all the time. 252 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: Been teachings and Latinos and Lhibris. 253 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: Presidencyl I think this time is than ever because it's 254 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: now so centralized in those swing states and Arizona and Nevada. 255 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: Definitely the Latinos are going to decide. 256 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: But now also you have to consider Georgia and Pennsylvania 257 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: and the same thing in Wisconsin. So Latino voters are 258 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: in states that are not the traditional Latino states that 259 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: you would expect. 260 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to say, is that 261 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: Maria Lena has seen this. John has seen it, has 262 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: seen this. We are out there on the ground and 263 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, North Dakota, Hey, oh hello Georgia with 264 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinas. Okay, Marie, Lena, what are you hearing 265 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: in seeing? 266 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: You know? 267 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: What I see is that Latinos are beginning to get 268 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: a little bit more enthusiastic about the election. One of 269 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: the things that surprises me in this election is the 270 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: issues that Latinos care about just like everyone else. Yes, 271 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: they care about the economy. They always have. They've always 272 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 4: cared about economy, education, healthcare. That's always been their issue. 273 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: But one of the things that surprises me is their 274 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: views on immigration and how it's changed. 275 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Decades ago. 276 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: When I started covering politics, and when I started covering immigration, 277 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: Latinos would always support anyone who promised to pass some 278 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: kind of immigration reform that would open the door to 279 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 4: the legalization of undocumented immigrants. 280 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 6: Understandably, you're frustrated that way, I have not been able 281 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 6: to move this over the finished line. 282 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: Yet or to dreamers later on when that started happening, 283 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: and now it's switched. Now they're looking for someone who 284 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: has a hard line on immigration. And I've been trying 285 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: to figure out why. And I mean my theory in 286 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 4: some of the things that I hear is I think 287 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 4: a lot of people don't want to be associated with 288 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: that very negative vettering. 289 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 9: When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best, 290 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 9: They're not sending you, They're sending people that have lots 291 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 9: of problems. 292 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: You know what, if I have a choice of being 293 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: on this side, I don't want to be the ones 294 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: that are being called criminals and are. 295 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 5: Exactly at the end of the day, the anti immigrant sentiment. 296 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 5: There's nothing more powerful. A senophobia like that works across 297 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 5: the board, right, it doesn't matter if you're white, if 298 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: you're black, if you're a Latino, you're an immigrant. It's 299 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 5: contagious because I think that is the brilliant part of 300 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 5: trump Ism, that they have been capable of getting the 301 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 5: segment of Latinos to fall under the illusion that they 302 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 5: are as American as white America and that they are 303 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: not the other. 304 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: All right, Baubles, So you have just spent several months 305 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: going deep into this thing, which is conservative Latinos, right 306 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: wing Latinos, racist Latinos, fascist Latinos. 307 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's we've never been more 308 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 5: powerful ever than in this moment. 309 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 7: But it's also a voting block that. 310 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 5: I think nothing like any other iteration of the Latino 311 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 5: story we've ever heard or talked about. Look at the 312 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 5: map right now, We're so powerful, and I feel like 313 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: we're in the middle of these two opposing forces. Now 314 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 5: you have this very like palpable right wordshift happening that 315 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 5: you know, now we're sort of all trying to ignore. 316 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 5: But at some point The New York Times was telling 317 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 5: us that, to Madelena's point, like Latino's were warming up 318 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: to this anti immigrant sentiment, to mass reportations, Latin evangelicals 319 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 5: war warming up to Christian nationalism, Latinos were warming up 320 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 5: to the like anti trans crusade. So there is something happening. 321 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 5: As that's happening, then you have this like opposing force, 322 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 5: which is this like emergence of this more like youthful, progressive, 323 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 5: diverse coalition of Latinos. And that, to me is where 324 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: the election stands right now. It'll be somewhere between these 325 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 5: like two opposite forces. And I think when it comes 326 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 5: to the sort of Latino conserners that spent a lot 327 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: of time with it has less to do with the 328 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 5: politics and more to do with like the culture. It's 329 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 5: like understanding, how does the racial baggage from Latin America 330 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 5: manifest in the United States? Like how does the sort 331 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 5: of like colonized mindset manifest here? How does the political 332 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 5: trauma has nothing to do with politics. It's like suddenly 333 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 5: it's okay for people to say that they no longer 334 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 5: feel this political affiliation with Democrats, and the why is 335 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 5: less about from business and it's more to do with 336 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 5: a very complicated messiness of who we are. 337 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: So we're in Aspen right now for the Raisava Festival, 338 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: and I'm interviewing as many people as I can about 339 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: the politics of the moment. I interviewed somebody who was 340 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: working the festival, and she came undocumented but is Evangelical, 341 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: and so she said, I'm divided because my undocumented partner 342 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: wants me to vote for Kamala because of a possibility 343 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: of something on immigration and the tone. But I'm an 344 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: evangelical Christian and i feel like I'm turning my back 345 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: on my values and my church because I don't support 346 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: abortion and access to abortion. And I'm wondering, can you 347 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: go into this place that you're seeing latinos saying because 348 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: of abortion or because I want them to continue to 349 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: build that wall, we're gonna side with Trump. 350 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 5: I've introduced so many Latin evangelicals, and the question I 351 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: have is, what do you see in Trump? 352 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: Right? 353 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 5: Like, what do you see in someone that has been 354 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 5: accused of like sexually assaulting women and found guilty and 355 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 5: found guilty exactly like within your moral compass, Like, what 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 5: is it that you see in someone like him? And 357 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 5: the question that I keep getting is it's the Democratic 358 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 5: Party in their eyes, has gone too far left. Now 359 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 5: that's the first ticking point, like it has gone too 360 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 5: far left. And what they see in trump Ism has 361 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 5: nothing to do, in their words, with the politics. It 362 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 5: has to do with the survival of a Christianity. They 363 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 5: feel that Trump is a vehicle to get them there. 364 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 5: It's less about him and his character and it's more like. 365 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: But is he a Christian? 366 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 6: He sells bibles. 367 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 7: He made a lot of money selling bibles. 368 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm asking I'm not criticizing. 369 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 4: I'm asking President Donald Trump is now selling bibles as 370 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: he runs to return to the White House. 371 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 7: All Americans need a Bible in their home. 372 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: And I have many It's my favorite book. 373 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying, Baula and both Marielna and 374 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: John is that our countries in Latin America have experienced authoritarianism. 375 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: We have lived through in fact, dictatorships and anti democratic processes, 376 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: anti blackness, anti indigeneity. So we bring that with us 377 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: when we come to the United States to pick up 378 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: Baula saying, I think, because now Florida, let's take the 379 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: state where you live, Marielina, because it is actually in play. 380 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: That's hard to believe. 381 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: Hard to believe, but okay, but big enough that they 382 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: never we never thought it would be at least possible, right, 383 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: And I think that there are young Latinos and Latinas, 384 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: latinx Latine who are having these conversations somewhere intergenerationally now 385 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: where it's like not that nolam, like let's talk about 386 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: the Trump situation or let's talk about Kamala running. Do 387 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: you think that there is some intergenerational things that are happening. 388 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and Florida used to be a swing state 389 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: and then it became a red state because of consecutive 390 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: elections voted read so then it became a red state, 391 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: but it was always a swing state. They voted for 392 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: Obama and Miami Dade County was the bluest county in 393 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: Florida and then it turned red. Why because in twenty 394 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 4: twenty they really brought home that Biden is a communist. 395 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 4: Biden is a communist. Biden is a communist. And if 396 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 4: he's not communisty enough where you look at the people 397 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: he surrounds himself with, so is. 398 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 8: President Biden a communist? 399 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: Of course he is. 400 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 4: One of the many reasons why Joe Biden's going to 401 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: lose in November is because he's beholden to the radical 402 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: phrasey communist left wing of the Democrat Party. Lookod Bernice 403 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 4: Sanders and and all these other people in AOC blah 404 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 4: blah blah, and the Democrats didn't do anything. They just 405 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 4: kind of let it happen, right, And it used to 406 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 4: be that the younger generation was more progressive than their parents. 407 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: But when it comes to the one issue of Cuba, 408 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: the younger generation Cubans are going to go with their parents, 409 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 4: and Republicans did a good job and exploiting the very 410 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: real pain that these communities feel from having left there, 411 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: and those people now became in play. And what is 412 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 4: different now is that they're not buying it anymore. They 413 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 4: realize that that's not true. I mean, they're not communists. 414 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 4: Now there are other issues, and now they're talking more 415 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: about the economy. 416 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: So is it in play? 417 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: I think it might be that people are just tired, 418 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: and this could be Florida, this could be anywhere else. 419 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: Of the hatred, of the negativity, of the anger, of 420 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 4: people not talking to each other, of families being separated, 421 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: of friends not being able to have a normal conversation 422 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 4: having to be careful not to talk about politics. I mean, 423 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: I live it every day. My daughter tells may sometimes 424 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 4: my friends are come out of please don't say anything. 425 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 4: So I don't know if to go as far as 426 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 4: you and say that it's in play. 427 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say it's ruby red. I would say 428 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: maybe it's pinkish. 429 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 5: I don't know, it's not really even This discussion to 430 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 5: me is like almost shocking. Now the idea that like 431 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 5: this state that is has one of the most highest 432 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 5: rates of immigrants in the state, like a huge and thriving, 433 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 5: incredible Latino community. In the fact that fifteen years since 434 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: Obama's incredible historic win, Like we're talking about this state 435 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 5: shifting to the right like that to me is almost remarkable. 436 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: So we have also lived through what people now call DEI, 437 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: which was, you know, we have got to diversify the media. 438 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always said just because it means excellence 439 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: in media. It's like you have to have diversity representation 440 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: in your media in order to have excellence in journalism. 441 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: Period. 442 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: Well, Baola, we know know that the Border Patrol, the 443 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: largest law enforcement agency in the United States of America, 444 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: is majority Latino in Latina, so we got there. 445 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: We're represented at the Border Patrol. 446 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: From what I understand that one of the reasons why 447 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 4: it's South Texas was so pro Trump in twenty twenty 448 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 4: was because that's their livelihood, that's their jobs, that how 449 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 4: they paid the rent and feed their kids. 450 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: More money is going to law enforcement on the border. 451 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 5: Texas is getting millions of dollars to better secure the 452 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 5: southern border, fifteen million dollars. But I also think that's 453 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: to me, that's why, like our community is so fascinating, right, 454 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 5: Like I think for thirty years, right, we all believed 455 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 5: that to be a Ladina, to be adjacent to the 456 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 5: ammergrant community meant to your point, a certain set of values, right. 457 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 5: It meant that we were going to be part of 458 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 5: like the Democrats, like multi racial strategy to win. No, 459 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 5: it meant that we were going to be at the 460 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: heart of what like social justice was supposed to mean 461 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 5: that in twenty forty five, because of this country being 462 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 5: majority minority, that America would look a certain way. It 463 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 5: turns out it's not that way. And that to me 464 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 5: is like such an incredible problem to solve that has 465 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 5: again less to do about the politics and more to 466 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 5: do about like understanding Latinos as these like extremely complex 467 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 5: humans with really complicated histories, and like that's where we're 468 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 5: at right now. I actually think what we're seeing now, 469 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 5: particularly like among younger generations of Latinos, I do believe 470 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 5: that we're progressive. I do believe that this like affiliation 471 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 5: with Democrats, it's a healthier connection because we're entitled to 472 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 5: question and to poke holes and to demand more and 473 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 5: to ask our candidates to do more for us than 474 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 5: our grandparents did and our parents did. 475 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 7: And that's a good thing. 476 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: But do you think that we are the ones that 477 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: have an identity crisis or it's the parties that have 478 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 4: an identity crisis and everything. We don't know who I mean, 479 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't know who stands for what or 480 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 4: what parties. 481 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 6: These parties would do well to invest time, energy and 482 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 6: resources in the Latino community just. 483 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: As they do they are I mean I I said 484 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: that they should develop the most amazing jingles in every 485 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: musical form that we have. Retona norteno is the like 486 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: the best best jingles ever. 487 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: When I would see Marie Elena my friends sitting down with. 488 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: Manuel Antonio, Noriega. 489 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 4: Lok concidera el centro conflict, it's just part. 490 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 8: Of the perro el prolema. 491 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: What I would see when I would watch Madelena was 492 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: her composure, and that was the lesson to me was 493 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: how you are a professional when you know what you're doing. 494 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: You're on network television, and so Marielena has always represented 495 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: for me such a high level of professionalism and composure 496 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: and capacity to ask really tough questions, and how you 497 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: asked the tough questions without losing your marbles. 498 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: Persona. 499 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 4: I am amazed by how carelessly he explains that he 500 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: assumes no responsibility for his merchandise as many called the undocumented. 501 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: You're one of the most prepared people I've ever met, Thankruly, 502 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 5: why he answer anything? If you if you were facing 503 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: a Vice President Kamala Harris today, if she was in 504 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 5: this room, what would be your main question to her? 505 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 506 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 4: I think one thing that turned me off about her 507 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 4: many years ago was her answer on immigration when they 508 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: asked her, why haven't you been to the border? I 509 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: think she could have answered that in so many different ways. 510 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: This whole thing about the border. We've been to the border. 511 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: We've been to the border. 512 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: You haven't been to the border, and I haven't. 513 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 8: Been to Europe and I don't I don't just stand 514 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 8: the point that you're making on it. 515 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: Or when she said in what they amount of don't come, 516 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: she said to the refugees, don't come. 517 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: Do not come, do not come. 518 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: So I think that what I would ask her is 519 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: how can you combine having loss that will prevent people 520 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: from coming in illegally and at the same time work 521 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: on what you were supposed to work on, which is 522 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 4: a root of the problem, Because no matter how many 523 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: laws we have that will restrict people from coming in, 524 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 4: what you can't do is stop people from trying to 525 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 4: come in, because then you'd have to change the world, 526 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 4: and that's one thing that people don't understand, right, So 527 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 4: you know, I would say, how would you do that? 528 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 7: John? 529 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: I think one of one of the greatest things about 530 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 5: you is you are able to depoliticize and humanize a 531 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: lot of like really tough issues for people that may 532 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 5: be on the sidelines, and you bring them in, like 533 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 5: when you're doing difficult interviews and touching on like political 534 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 5: issues like you did for many like like what's what's 535 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 5: your approach in an interview to like bring people into 536 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 5: a conversation compassion. 537 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 6: I think, coming from where I come from, because I 538 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 6: had that background, I always put myself in the shoes 539 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 6: of the person I'm interviewing, particularly if it's a Latino 540 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 6: or someone who's faced adversity. I've been there, so I 541 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 6: can I can relate on what would you do? The 542 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 6: people who step up and do the right thing are 543 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 6: invariably people who have been there themselves. I think if 544 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 6: I were to be able to pinpoint one thing, that 545 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 6: would be it. I mean and realizing that I'm not 546 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 6: going to condemn that person for their point of view. 547 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 6: It's a free country. Everyone has an opinion. I challenge 548 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 6: them as best as I can, But I think that's 549 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 6: it just listening more than rapid fire questions. 550 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: What would you tell Kamalak to do? 551 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 5: I mean, the first thing I would do is like, 552 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 5: look at the twenty twenty coalition that we're led by 553 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 5: a lot of undocumented folks and immigrant folks in Arizona 554 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: that really really pulled for Biden in that state. Like 555 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 5: the organizers in Phoenix that are completely disillusioned until now, 556 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: that have been completely completely on the sidelines, Like, talk 557 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 5: to them, what did they do to mobilize their communities 558 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 5: to flip Arizona? Because that to me is like a 559 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 5: winning formula. So I would be like to go to Phoenix, John, 560 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 5: what would you. 561 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 6: Tell to invest time and energy and resources in the 562 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 6: Latino community to get and in rural areas where people 563 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 6: are not mobilized right now? 564 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Door knocking, You're talking about 565 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: like get people out on the streets. 566 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 567 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 6: No one really knows where this election is going to 568 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 6: wind up. And there are still far too many undecided 569 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 6: Latino voters and that could swing the election. 570 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: It's not just on decided. 571 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: They don't apathetic and yes, yeah, that's yeah, that's I 572 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 4: think the biggest concern is people a low voter turnout, 573 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 4: especially among Latinos, is going to hurt definitely her that 574 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 4: it's a little bit better now, but you still have 575 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 4: a lot of empathy, especially among Latinos. I think I 576 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 4: would just tell her, don't be so careful, just be authentic, 577 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 4: be yourself, go out and talk to people and say 578 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: what you really think, because I think people appreciate that, 579 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: and people can tell the difference between someone that is fake, 580 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 4: that is pretending to be something that they're not. She 581 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 4: is daughter of emigrants herself. Her lived experiences are a 582 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: lot of people's lived experiences, I think, because at the 583 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 4: end of the day, my experience in covering ten elections 584 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 4: is that it ends up being a popularity contest, a 585 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: beauty contest, or a popularity contest. 586 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: At the end, people don't even focus on the issues. 587 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: Makeaveene no mcaveen. 588 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: First of all, it's our job as journalists to try 589 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: to get people the information that they need to make 590 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 4: a wise decision, like inform yourself. These are the issues, 591 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: is where they stand, this is what they represent. But 592 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: it's really up to the candidate to be endearing to 593 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 4: reach those people at a different level, at a human level, 594 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 4: like John says, I think that's what's going to help. 595 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: So here's what I would say. I would say, change 596 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: the narrative on immigration period. Yes, of course your law enforcement. 597 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: Of course you're a prosecutor, but just stop with the 598 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: we're bringing problems. Celebrate. Just change the narrative. Have a 599 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: now have a primetime address where she says, let me 600 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,239 Speaker 1: just set the record straight enough with this. 601 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: They are a problem. They are this. Let me give 602 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: you all of the data in a national primetime presentation. 603 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: All right. 604 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: So this was so much fun. 605 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: El Rey, Jena, marielenas alenas la Princes. 606 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: That's because I'm wearing my jingo and a necklace. Thank 607 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: you so much. This has been amazing. 608 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 5: Thank you, Ada, thank you so much. 609 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for inviting us and uniting us. 610 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Monica Morales Garcia and myself 611 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: and edited by Bennile Ramides, Andrea Lopez Cruzado, then Ariel Goodman. 612 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: It was mixed by Julia Caruso with engineering support from 613 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: JJ Carubin. Special thanks to James Bars and Aspen Public Radio. 614 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: The Latino USA team includes Jessica Ellis, Victoria Estrada, Rinaldo, 615 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: Leanoz Junior, Stephanie Lebau, Ruis, Luna Dori mar Marquez, Marta Martinez, 616 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: Nor Saudi and Nancy Trujillo. Benile Ramirez is our co 617 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: executive producer. I'm your co executive producer and host Martuino 618 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: Fossat join us again for our next episode. In the meantime, 619 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: I'll see you on all of our social media, especially Aneline, Stagram, 620 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: Ire guerdaes Chao. 621 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 9: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation, 622 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 9: working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide, 623 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 9: Druckenmiller Foundation, and the John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.