Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, help, I'm ghosted.
Speaker 1: By ras Dress. Hey boo, it's me, Roz. Happy Pride Month.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's something that means a lot to me,
Speaker 1: and I thank you for for always you know, embracing
Speaker 1: me as a member of the lgbt q I A
Speaker 1: plus community. And here it ghosted by Roz Jesepheles. We
Speaker 1: celebrate that all year long, and I think you tell
Speaker 1: you allies and and members of the LGBTQI A plus
Speaker 1: community as well. Go back and listen to some more
Speaker 1: episodes with all the wonderful queer people I've had on
Speaker 1: the show, and spread the word if people are looking
Speaker 1: for a you know, queer friendly, queer hosted, queer embracing
Speaker 1: podcast about ghosts. Oh my god, Okay this episode today,
Speaker 1: you guys, I had so much fun and this is
Speaker 1: a two parter. Okay this week. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: my guest is Andrea Parrin, who famously grew up in
Speaker 1: the house that went on to inspire the first Conjuring movie,
Speaker 1: and so we had a lot to talk about. She's
Speaker 1: my new friend she's got a great sense of humor,
Speaker 1: she has a lot to say, and I feel like
Speaker 1: we have and even scratch the surface. So hopefully I
Speaker 1: can have her on again in the future. She sounds
Speaker 1: she sounds down to do it, so UH this will
Speaker 1: hopefully be the first of many conversations that I'll have
Speaker 1: with her on this podcast. And in this first week's
Speaker 1: UH version of our conversation, we talk a lot about
Speaker 1: bath Sheba Sherman, who I talked to Amy Brune about.
Speaker 1: And it's also there's also some some stuff about bath
Speaker 1: Sheba Sherman and Amy Brune's book as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's the woman that was made out to be this awful, spooky,
Speaker 1: scary witch in the Conjuring movie, and so you'll hear
Speaker 1: a lot about that today. And yeah, there's just there's
Speaker 1: just so much. And as always, I have a little
Speaker 1: bit extra if you want to hear on Patreon. She
Speaker 1: tells the story that I first heard in that documentary
Speaker 1: that came out about Edim Lorraine Warren a couple months back,
Speaker 1: I think, not that long ago. What is time? You know?
Speaker 1: It was at some point there was a documentary that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's on Discovery. Plus, now somebody tells a
Speaker 1: story about in the house that Andrea parent grew up in.
Speaker 1: Her mom bit into an orange and blood started gushing
Speaker 1: out in like a paranormal way. And so I asked
Speaker 1: Andrea that story, and we talk about that on Patreon.
Speaker 1: And I also asked her about like when the Amneyville
Speaker 1: Horror came out and Edie Lorraine Warren were on TV,
Speaker 1: and like there was all this talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: this haunted house case, which came after the original Conjuring
Speaker 1: case with Ada and Lorraine Warren, and so I was
Speaker 1: curious what that was like for her to see those
Speaker 1: two paranormal investigator people, the Warrens on TV. But like, wait,
Speaker 1: those are the people that were over here investigating my house.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just I thought it was
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to ask her about. So you can
Speaker 1: hear that on Patreon and that's patreon dot com slash
Speaker 1: rosdres Fales And as always, I have a little video
Speaker 1: this week. It's just a fun little game where I
Speaker 1: tell I guess you could say I do dramatic readings
Speaker 1: of real encounters or statements about aliens that celebrities have said.
Speaker 1: And I have you guess which celebrities said that, So
Speaker 1: it's all fun. Patreon dot com slash roz jes Fales. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Here's Part one with Andrea Parrin
Speaker 1: on with the show. I am so good you and
Speaker 1: I we just met through Patrick Keller. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Patrick and we we talked on the phone the other
Speaker 1: day and I had so much fun talking to you.
Speaker 1: You're you're a blast.
Speaker 2: I'm what is known as a live wire, and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean you had me in stitches because at one point, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, both of us were so wound up, and
Speaker 2: you said, okay, we have to stop because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing because I'm you know, this is what this
Speaker 2: is the kind of stuff we need to say for
Speaker 2: the show and that and my response to that was,
Speaker 2: oh honey, this doesn't run out. It's not like draining
Speaker 2: a water pipe. You know, there's there's more where that
Speaker 2: came from.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you wrote about your uh just
Speaker 1: your time living in that the famous house that we
Speaker 1: all know about, and that span three books. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: you have a lot to say on this and it's
Speaker 1: all gold and I can't wait for it. But Another
Speaker 1: thing that you were telling me is that you love
Speaker 1: drag queens. And I love that.
Speaker 2: I do. I do. Years and years ago when I
Speaker 2: lived just north of Atlanta in Roswell, Georgia, on the weekends, yeah,
Speaker 2: the other Roswell. Yeah, I used to go into the
Speaker 2: city with my sister Christine and some of our friends
Speaker 2: and we would hit the drag bars and so I
Speaker 2: got to know all the queens and oh my god,
Speaker 2: I would fall at their feet, so talented, so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was. It was a blast. It was a period
Speaker 2: of my life that was just you know, filled with
Speaker 2: fun and excitement. And then a few years ago I
Speaker 2: went to Gulf Pour Gulfport, Florida, which is it's near
Speaker 2: it's south of Saint Pete and they had a great
Speaker 2: drag bar. So for the time that I spent there,
Speaker 2: I was I was out and about in town with
Speaker 2: the queens, you know. And it's and the thing that
Speaker 2: I love about it is my readers. A lot of
Speaker 2: my readers, you know, they have nicknames for me, and
Speaker 2: one of them is Queen of the Alternate Universe and
Speaker 2: h and I tell them, you know, but I don't
Speaker 2: have a crown, except you know, in the back of
Speaker 2: my mouth and it's gold. But it's just for you know,
Speaker 2: evening weear. And so every time I go to an
Speaker 2: event somebody brings me a tiara or a crown, it's
Speaker 2: they're precious. They're just lovely.
Speaker 1: Oh, listen to us, just a couple of queens, I know,
Speaker 1: getting speaky. Well, when you come to LA, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to come to one my shows.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would love to, I truly would.
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, where do we start in a conversation about you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've talked about this stuff bajillion times,
Speaker 1: so I hope that we can keep it fun and
Speaker 1: interesting for you to talk about.
Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't you know. I'm so I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: that anybody I'm one of these humble, grateful souls, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm just so glad anybody wants to talk to me
Speaker 2: about anything at all. You know, I would have thought
Speaker 2: years and years ago that this story would have, you know,
Speaker 2: worn its legs out and become passe. And I'm just
Speaker 2: so happy when anybody wants me to come on their show.
Speaker 2: And I do thousands of interviews and they've never subsided.
Speaker 2: And my books are selling as well now as when
Speaker 2: the story first came out, and sometimes better. So you know,
Speaker 2: I just I look at this as this is my
Speaker 2: privilege and my pleasure to connect and reconnect with not
Speaker 2: only my friends and my followers, but to introduce the
Speaker 2: story to new people. And you know, even if it's
Speaker 2: just a handful of people that have never heard of
Speaker 2: it before that you know, aren't you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what planet they would be from, but you know,
Speaker 2: didn't know about the conjuring, didn't know about you know,
Speaker 2: the backstory. Then this is my opportunity to tell them.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not bored by it at all.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I'll mix it up with you.
Speaker 2: You can ask me anything, Roz. Believe me. I told
Speaker 2: you the other day on the phone. There is no
Speaker 2: there's no question off the table, none. I'll answer everything.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm such a horror fan, and you know, especially
Speaker 1: like these big budget horror movies, sometimes they just you know,
Speaker 1: they come and go. And I know from you know,
Speaker 1: being a part of the horror community and going to
Speaker 1: horror conventions and that movie. I mean, it's been what
Speaker 1: eight years or so since it came out, and it
Speaker 1: is still it's still is it's clearly going to be
Speaker 1: known as one of the most iconic horror movies, especially
Speaker 1: in the haunted house paranormal horror movie genre. And then
Speaker 1: I think that the success of it, which of course
Speaker 1: has gone on to you know, a series of other films,
Speaker 1: the third one coming out like very soon, the it
Speaker 1: has caused people to now be more interested in the
Speaker 1: Warrens and you and the real story. And that's what
Speaker 1: I really want to get into today.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Well, you know, the real story behind The
Speaker 2: Conjuring is so intense and so complicated, so spiritual in nature.
Speaker 2: I think of it as a love story with a wicked,
Speaker 2: supernatural twist. In fact, I think of our story as
Speaker 2: an odd combination of The Exorcist meets Little House on
Speaker 2: the Prairie. And so you know, when they the screenwriters
Speaker 2: for The Conjuring, Chad and Carry Hayes, they're twin brothers,
Speaker 2: lovely people read my books. They freaked out. They were like,
Speaker 2: we have to include this. You know, this can't just
Speaker 2: rely predominantly on the case files of the warrants. We
Speaker 2: need to include some of what's real in this story
Speaker 2: into the story. And they desperately wanted to do so. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: every time they attempted to incorporate elements of the truth
Speaker 2: into the story, it scared the execs at Warner Brothers
Speaker 2: and New Line Cinema so much that they told them
Speaker 2: to take it out. They actually submitted their screenplace even times,
Speaker 2: and seven times it was rejected, and they were told
Speaker 2: to delete anything that came out of my books because
Speaker 2: you know, even studio execs or fear based carbon units,
Speaker 2: they were trying to get a PG. Thirteen rating, which
Speaker 2: they didn't get anyway, and they were trying not to
Speaker 2: literally scare people out of the theater, and so based
Speaker 2: on their reaction, their personal reaction to our true story,
Speaker 2: they told the screenwriters that they had to take it out.
Speaker 2: So the Conjuring screenplay is kind of an interesting amalgamation
Speaker 2: between the case files of Ed and Lorraine Warren Cherry
Speaker 2: picking what they felt was safe from my books than
Speaker 2: the screenwriters Chad and carry kind of conjured up a
Speaker 2: whole third story and that's what became the Conjuring. So
Speaker 2: it bears no actual resemblance to the truth, and the
Speaker 2: portrayal of my family is inaccurate at times in the extreme,
Speaker 2: but I don't mean for that to sound critical in
Speaker 2: any way, because they were trying to do something that
Speaker 2: was quite literally impossible. They were trying to compress a
Speaker 2: ten year period into a two hour film, and with
Speaker 2: the focus being on Ed and Lorraine Warren as one
Speaker 2: of their primary cases. And before Ed died, he told
Speaker 2: Lorraine that he wanted her to move heaven and Earth
Speaker 2: to get the paren family story told. He was on
Speaker 2: the record verbatim as saying it was the most intense,
Speaker 2: most disturbing, most compelling, and most significant of all of
Speaker 2: the investigations that they ever conducted. So when James wand
Speaker 2: read my books, He's like, how the hell do I
Speaker 2: not know about this? You know, he was an officionado
Speaker 2: of the Warrens. He was like totally into what they
Speaker 2: were doing and how they were doing it. And he
Speaker 2: followed them for well, practically for as long as he
Speaker 2: was alive, and they, you know, were well into their
Speaker 2: career when he was a kid, so he naturally gravitated
Speaker 2: toward them as being pioneers in the paranormal and he
Speaker 2: just he's like, how do I not know about this?
Speaker 2: When I first met with him in Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 2: he asked me, we're sitting at a production meeting and
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, why was this not out in
Speaker 2: the world. And I said, there's a very simple reason.
Speaker 2: My mother said, no, that's why. And then thirty years
Speaker 2: later I picked up a pen and started writing our truth,
Speaker 2: not even knowing if there was going to be anyone
Speaker 2: out there that was interested in hearing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I always I have a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations on this show about it's like a weird formula
Speaker 1: of things to happen for something like the Amneyville Horror
Speaker 1: to become what it is, because you have to have
Speaker 1: people that live in a house that are going to
Speaker 1: talk about it and want to go on TV. And
Speaker 1: you know, that's not always the case. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that live in these situations that may never
Speaker 1: even publicly share them. And so I mean, when this
Speaker 1: was happening, your family, your parents were not the personalities
Speaker 1: to say let's go on TV, right or.
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, oh my god. Now. In fact, that's
Speaker 2: one of the major discrepancies in the film, because well,
Speaker 2: there were several and we can cover them all, but
Speaker 2: the one that my mother was kind of shocked by.
Speaker 2: She never went to see it in the theater. My
Speaker 2: mother's very reclusive. She doesn't like she's like Dorothy Gale
Speaker 2: and the Wizard of Oz. She doesn't really want to
Speaker 2: go outside her own yard. And yet you know, she's
Speaker 2: been to Oz and back, except that she's been to
Speaker 2: Helen back, and.
Speaker 1: She's been portrayed by Lily Taylor, which is iconic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lily was wonderful in the role. I think she
Speaker 2: got totally screwed not getting nominated for some kind of
Speaker 2: an award for her portrayal.
Speaker 1: I thought Hollywood's idea of the.
Speaker 2: Very powerful performance that she delivered. But you know the
Speaker 2: thing is that we didn't know who the Warrens were
Speaker 2: when they showed up at our door. My mother did
Speaker 2: not go seeking out the warrants. We didn't know who
Speaker 2: the young team of paranormal investigators were that pulled into
Speaker 2: our yard in August of nineteen seventy three and why
Speaker 2: they were there, And to this day we cannot explain
Speaker 2: the mystery around that because a young and interestingly twin
Speaker 2: brothers kind of like the screenwriters were. Chad and Carrie
Speaker 2: Hayes were the screenwriters, but the twin brothers that showed
Speaker 2: up at our house in nineteen seventy three or Keith
Speaker 2: and Carl Johnson and their team of paranormal investigators from
Speaker 2: Rhode Island College, and Keith said that my mother called
Speaker 2: him and asked him to come out out to the house.
Speaker 2: And my mother never called anybody and asked anyone to
Speaker 2: investigate what she didn't even understand herself. Wow. And he said,
Speaker 2: but I recognize your voice, missus Parrin, And she said, dear,
Speaker 2: I don't know who called you, but it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: And even saying those words now sends a chill up
Speaker 2: my spine because my mother was already being oppressed by
Speaker 2: a spirit that you know, they can be very powerful,
Speaker 2: and my mother was already in transition the spirit in
Speaker 2: the house that wanted my mother out, that just loathed
Speaker 2: her and threatened her and wanted her out of that house,
Speaker 2: figured by my own assumption that if she couldn't get
Speaker 2: her out, then she would go within. And my mom's
Speaker 2: voice was changing. She was wearing vintage clothing, she was
Speaker 2: using archaic English terminology in her you know, matter of fact,
Speaker 2: normal day to day speech. And at first we thought
Speaker 2: it was because she was doing so much research on
Speaker 2: the house that she was kind of getting it into
Speaker 2: her head and you know, reading that language so much
Speaker 2: that she was incorporating it into her normal patterns of speech.
Speaker 2: But it was something more than that. And I do
Speaker 2: believe that the visage of my mother called Keith Johnson,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't my mother.
Speaker 1: God, I like that version. I like the idea of
Speaker 1: of seeing in a horror movie a ghost calling somebody
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I've had a numerous incidents where
Speaker 2: I've been in contact with Bethjieba Sherman through spirit box,
Speaker 2: and she will attempt to throw my voice, to use
Speaker 2: my voice instead of her own. And one of the
Speaker 2: sessions that I was doing with my friend George Lopez
Speaker 2: was with her.
Speaker 1: Well white, the actor comedian George Lopez.
Speaker 2: No, my friend George Lopez is the sit on your
Speaker 2: ass comedian, not the stand up one. Oh he's yeah,
Speaker 2: he lives here in Florida and he yeah, George is
Speaker 2: always most comfortable if he's down in a chair and
Speaker 2: completely out of the public eye. So's he's the antithesis
Speaker 2: of the original George Lopez.
Speaker 1: Well, the famous George Lopez lives in a haunted house.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really want to talk to him at
Speaker 1: some point, but oh.
Speaker 2: You should, Yeah, you should hook us up too. I'd
Speaker 2: like to have a conversation with him. So but anyway,
Speaker 2: I was at George's house, I don't know, probably about
Speaker 2: six or seven years ago, and we were doing a
Speaker 2: spirit box session and my voice came through that box
Speaker 2: and George was like, oh, hell no, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: talk to you, but you can't throw Andrea's voice. You
Speaker 2: need to use your own voice or we're not doing this.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, the voice of it sounded
Speaker 2: like a child came through. And Bethsheba was a very
Speaker 2: diminutive person. She was a very small framed woman with
Speaker 2: a high pitched voice, and I have her on several
Speaker 2: recordings coming through and communicating with us. Well that's how
Speaker 2: she came through. And once she finally did, we had
Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation and George asked her at one
Speaker 2: point what one word she associates with me, and instantly
Speaker 2: her response was love. And I know why because I've
Speaker 2: been her defender. You know, she was made out to
Speaker 2: be the villainous, you know, to be the offending spirit
Speaker 2: in the conjuring, and that was based on Missus Warren's
Speaker 2: interpretation of things, But she was not the one that
Speaker 2: was haunting and taunting my mother, and in fact was
Speaker 2: not even born yet when the spirit that was coming
Speaker 2: after my mother was long dead. You know, my father
Speaker 2: believes that it's actually Missus John Arnold, who was found
Speaker 2: hanging in the barn in seventeen ninety seven at the
Speaker 2: age of ninety three, who took her own life after
Speaker 2: her husband passed away. And that was according to the
Speaker 2: town historian who came and met my parents and told
Speaker 2: them as much as he knew of the history of
Speaker 2: the farm. You know, now, the thing is, none of
Speaker 2: them ever walked up to any of us and said, oh, hello,
Speaker 2: my name is You know. There was literally only one
Speaker 2: self identifying spirit at the farmhouse, and he was a
Speaker 2: little boy that my sister played with. You know, that
Speaker 2: was one element that they picked up in the conjuring
Speaker 2: that was accurate. But you know, they portrayed my family
Speaker 2: as godless heathens as juxtaposed to the devout Roman Catholic Warrens,
Speaker 2: when nothing could have been further from the truth. We
Speaker 2: were all born and raised Catholic. My father had intended
Speaker 2: on serving his tour in the navy and then coming
Speaker 2: back and going into the seminary to become a priest.
Speaker 2: He was born and raised in the parochial Roman Catholic tradition,
Speaker 2: had served as an altar boy for you know, the
Speaker 2: bulk of his youth, and had been very influenced by
Speaker 2: a couple of priests who he admired greatly, and he
Speaker 2: won to follow in their footsteps. And it was only
Speaker 2: during you know, that period where he was in the
Speaker 2: navy and met my mother that all bets were off
Speaker 2: about the priesthood because he fell in love with her,
Speaker 2: and so you know, bingo, that's where we all come from.
Speaker 2: But we were not godless, you know, we weren't paran
Speaker 2: Pagans or godless heathens. You know, although pagan does you know,
Speaker 2: Pagan is a religion, and you know, more closely akin
Speaker 2: to what I practice, because you know, I say, if
Speaker 2: you want to know God, go to the woods. But
Speaker 2: I just I look at the you know, that was
Speaker 2: the thing my mother took the greatest exception to. She
Speaker 2: thought that the whole possession and exorcism scene in the film,
Speaker 2: and she watched it on DVD. One night, she walked
Speaker 2: into the parlor and She's like, Okay, I'm ready to
Speaker 2: watch it. And I said, well, you know, mom, we
Speaker 2: were going to watch The Princess Bride. She's like, just
Speaker 2: put the movie in. So I mean, yeah, we're going
Speaker 2: to watch The Princess Bride for like the fiftieth time.
Speaker 2: And she's like, no, you can quote the script on that.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to see the movie now.
Speaker 1: Ye see me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it. So she's so funny and uh
Speaker 2: oh when I showed her, I got just as an aside,
Speaker 2: when I showed her the trailer for the first time,
Speaker 2: the initial trailer that came out for the film. She
Speaker 2: stood there and we had it up on a big
Speaker 2: mac and she is watching this thing and with her
Speaker 2: arms crossed and her foot tapping, and when it was
Speaker 2: all done, she said, I wouldn't have been caught dead
Speaker 2: in that skirt.
Speaker 1: That is something we talk about this all the time
Speaker 1: on this show, getting re enacted, because you know, we talked.
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of people that have been
Speaker 1: on celebrity ghost Stories and various shows where they get reacted,
Speaker 1: and that is one of my favorite things is people
Speaker 1: are like, my hair isn't like that. I didn't wear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We didn't listen to music like that. We listened
Speaker 2: to hippie music. What's wrong with these people? You know?
Speaker 2: Oh God, she's so funny, she's so sweet.
Speaker 1: Well, but who the whole bad Sheba Sherman thing. We
Speaker 1: talked to Amy Bruney about that, and I know she
Speaker 1: talks about it in her book about just you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's unfortunate to see how somebody's image,
Speaker 1: even though they're long past, can be portrayed and skewed.
Speaker 1: And and there's been a number you know, that happens
Speaker 1: all the time. There's so much folklore that gets gathered
Speaker 1: around people that it's like they they that's not who
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would feel about that. If
Speaker 1: my spirit was lingering around and everyone had something bad
Speaker 1: to say about me.
Speaker 2: Well, she's pissed, I can tell you that, you know.
Speaker 2: And I and right after the movie opened, some moron,
Speaker 2: some idiot, decided to go into the cemetery where she
Speaker 2: was buried, is buried and desecrate her gravestone. And when
Speaker 2: I found out about that, I went immediately to one
Speaker 2: of my producers. I said, I need to make a
Speaker 2: video right now. He said, okay, okay, okay, and I
Speaker 2: put it out, and you know, I basically said, you know,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I don't know who you are, but
Speaker 2: she does. And woe be unto you for going into
Speaker 2: that cemetery on sacred ground and using whatever you did
Speaker 2: to destroy one hundred and fifty year old gravestone. This
Speaker 2: will haunt you for the rest of your life. And
Speaker 2: I was, I was just, you know, I really think
Speaker 2: that's why Bethsheba cares for me, because yes, I did
Speaker 2: write in the books what you know people said in
Speaker 2: town about her, what the historian.
Speaker 1: Said about her, But which is what.
Speaker 2: Well, when he came he knew her when he was
Speaker 2: a child. Who did the historian did. Yes, he had
Speaker 2: lived in that town lifelong. His name was mister mckeachen,
Speaker 2: and he was in his nineties when we met him.
Speaker 2: She died in eighteen eighty five. We moved there in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, so you do. The math was she
Speaker 2: died when he was ten years old, and she had
Speaker 2: a reputation as a very mean spirited woman. She was
Speaker 2: born in eighteen twelve. She died in eighteen eighty five,
Speaker 2: and she was apparently quite cruel to her. Farm hands
Speaker 2: would beat them, would starve them, would you know. I
Speaker 2: mean when he spoke of her, he would drop his eyes.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't even look directly at you. It was like
Speaker 2: it pained him to tell the story of her. She
Speaker 2: was not an arnold. She never lived at the farmhouse.
Speaker 2: She was a product of a union between the Fair
Speaker 2: family and the Taft family, both families of extraordinary means.
Speaker 2: Both there was a president Taft right from her bloodline,
Speaker 2: and the Fairs basically helped build Brown University. Fair Street
Speaker 2: is probably the most famous street in Providence. And how
Speaker 2: she hooked up with Judson Sherman, a farmer out in
Speaker 2: the backwoods of Harrisville, Rhode Island. You know, nobody will
Speaker 2: ever know. But she was a young woman when she
Speaker 2: moved there, probably sixteen or seventeen years old when she married,
Speaker 2: and you know, and that was considered late back then,
Speaker 2: because life expectancy was around forty five years old, And
Speaker 2: so she had a reputation that preceded her when we
Speaker 2: moved to the farm, and mister mckechen told my mother
Speaker 2: that at some point she was accused of having taken
Speaker 2: the life of an infant while at our home at
Speaker 2: the Arnold estate, and we don't know if she was babysitting,
Speaker 2: if she was visiting and she had one of her
Speaker 2: own children with her, We don't know. And I'd be
Speaker 2: the first one to say, you know, they are a
Speaker 2: huge glaring holes in this story. Worry, but you know,
Speaker 2: piecing it together. He said that she was accused. Upon
Speaker 2: examining the infant's body, it was found by the doctor
Speaker 2: that there was a needle that had been impaled at
Speaker 2: the base of its skull and the cause of death
Speaker 2: was listed as convulsions. That's what he told my mother,
Speaker 2: which absolutely unnerved her, appalled her. But then there was
Speaker 2: apparently some inquest. The town that we lived in was
Speaker 2: not even incorporated then, it was just a smattering of villages.
Speaker 2: So there was an inquest in the town seat of Chapatchet,
Speaker 2: which is actually now the town seat in Gloucester Leocester,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island, the town just south of Burrelville, and there
Speaker 2: was an inquest that involved a judge. There was something
Speaker 2: written up in a local paper. My mother found an
Speaker 2: article about it in archives that were actually stored in
Speaker 2: western Massachusetts, and she included it in her notebook of
Speaker 2: historical records, births, deaths, you know, all the different certificates.
Speaker 2: When she was doing research on the house, and Missus
Speaker 2: Warren asked for that notebook to make xerox copies of
Speaker 2: everything in it, and my mother never saw it again.
Speaker 2: So she was working from memory in terms of telling
Speaker 2: me this to put it into the book. But according
Speaker 2: to the inquest, she was absolved of responsibility and if
Speaker 2: she did something wrong, then she talked herself, you know,
Speaker 2: talked her way out of it. But you know that
Speaker 2: was back at a time when things could, you know,
Speaker 2: terrible accidents could happen. There was a sewing basket in
Speaker 2: every room. We don't know if it was an infant
Speaker 2: or a toddler, if you know, a baby had been
Speaker 2: laid down in the soft of a yarn, a basket
Speaker 2: of yarn, and a terrible accident happened. We don't know.
Speaker 2: And I just don't think that it's right to accuse
Speaker 2: someone of murder if you don't have any evidence of that.
Speaker 2: So the judge said, no, there's you know, basically, there's
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. This looks like it must have
Speaker 2: been some kind of an accident. But in the court
Speaker 2: of public opinion, Bathsheba was tried and convicted and lived
Speaker 2: a long and miserable life. And you know, just one
Speaker 2: hundred or so years earlier, being called a witch in
Speaker 2: New England, just up the road in Salem would get
Speaker 2: you killed. That's still a very dangerous word to throw
Speaker 2: around in some parts of the world. Women die every
Speaker 2: day on this planet somewhere for being accused to being witch.
Speaker 1: Well, because in the movie what was how was she
Speaker 1: portrayed inaccurately? I mean, I'm trying to It's been like
Speaker 1: about a year since I've seen the movie, but I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember she was a witch in the movie?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Or yeah? Well that's you know, kind of how they
Speaker 2: portrayed her, and she took tremendous exception to that. But
Speaker 2: her biggest gripe was she was really angry that a
Speaker 2: man played her and that she was so ugly and hideous,
Speaker 2: because Bathsheba was actually quite beautiful. And the research that
Speaker 2: I did about her, I surmised that one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why she was accused of selling her soul to
Speaker 2: the devil for eternal youth and beauty and sacrificing a
Speaker 2: baby to do it, was because the women. Some of
Speaker 2: the women in town were threatened by her, and the
Speaker 2: men would often gaze upon her with rapacious eyes. So
Speaker 2: she was a threat. And you know, had there been
Speaker 2: any evidence, any proof whatsoever, that Beth sheeba Sherman was
Speaker 2: a practicing witch and that had done something as hideous
Speaker 2: and heinous as taking the life of a baby, she
Speaker 2: would not be buried in hallow ground, hallowed ground in
Speaker 2: the middle of the Riverside cemetery in Harrisville, Rhode Island,
Speaker 2: next to her husband, with three tiny little graves right
Speaker 2: beside hers. Because three of her four children didn't live
Speaker 2: past the age of four. Wow, and that was not
Speaker 2: that unusual. That's not you know, any kind of implication
Speaker 2: that she killed off her kids as she had at all.
Speaker 2: You know, common cold could take you out in the
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds and prior to that, you know, even today,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, let's face it, we're in the
Speaker 2: midst of a battle with a new coronavirus. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's shocking to walk through the cemeteries of
Speaker 2: New England, the early cemeteries. You are there's not a chance,
Speaker 2: there's a guarantee that you are going to trip over
Speaker 2: a tiny little gravestone that doesn't even have a name
Speaker 2: carved on it because it was considered bad luck to
Speaker 2: name your baby before it was a year old. God,
Speaker 2: can you imagine now children and going through that whole
Speaker 2: process of bringing a new life into the world, only
Speaker 2: to see the common cold kill it.
Speaker 1: Right, So you how often do you talk to her
Speaker 1: or have you been in contact with her spirit?
Speaker 2: I've spoken with her through spirit box sessions several times.
Speaker 1: And so she I mean, I don't know how it
Speaker 1: works in the ghost world, but she has seen the
Speaker 1: movie or like she knows about.
Speaker 2: Me, knows she knows, Yeah, she knows. And I was
Speaker 2: a few years ago, I was giving a lecture near
Speaker 2: her gravestone. Only had about maybe twenty or thirty people
Speaker 2: with me, and I was just talking about her and
Speaker 2: what I knew of her. And you know, I have
Speaker 2: a whole entire chapter in volume three of my book's
Speaker 2: House of Darkness, House of Light, and it's called Season
Speaker 2: of the Witch. And not only does it address what
Speaker 2: is most likely you know, I can't absolve her because
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I certainly have given
Speaker 2: her the benefit of the doubt, and in that chapter
Speaker 2: of the book. It retraces the entire history of that
Speaker 2: word in use and the ramifications of such. And I
Speaker 2: was talking about that near her gravestone. I guess it
Speaker 2: was about maybe four or five years ago, and one
Speaker 2: of the young men that was at the lecture was
Speaker 2: recording it unbeknownst to me. And when I got back
Speaker 2: to my home, he called me up and he said, Andrea,
Speaker 2: you're not going to believe this. He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: wait till you hear this. I said, well, you know, Cody,
Speaker 2: you know, wait till I hear what. And he sent
Speaker 2: me an audio clip of a disembodied voice of Beth
Speaker 2: sheeba Sherman, screaming her name allowed over me as I
Speaker 2: was as I was lecturing, and no one heard it,
Speaker 2: but it was recorded on the videotape and it was
Speaker 2: absolutely her voice.
Speaker 1: But you think she sounded mad.
Speaker 2: I think it was more frustration than anything. She screamed,
Speaker 2: bath Sheba, like I'm here, I'm right here. No, and
Speaker 2: nobody heard it, but it was captured on tape. He
Speaker 2: was recording what I was saying, and there it was,
Speaker 2: and it was her. So you know, I have you know,
Speaker 2: and I've mixed it up with her a little bit
Speaker 2: here and there because she has a tendency to misbehave,
Speaker 2: but that she she came through.
Speaker 1: A spirit box with your voice. Is that what you
Speaker 1: said earlier?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's my show bizweel's turning. We get you
Speaker 1: on America's Got Talent. You could do ventriloquist.
Speaker 2: Act smart ass?
Speaker 1: Well, can we talk about like see, I talk to
Speaker 1: people that live in haunted houses, but it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's just so much here and usually what we do
Speaker 1: is we kind of start from the beginning and and
Speaker 1: get into it a bit. So if we could do
Speaker 1: that as much as you're you're willing to share. I'm
Speaker 1: curious because you said that your your family was Catholic,
Speaker 1: and I always think that because I grew up Catholic too,
Speaker 1: and I always think that Catholic people tend to kind
Speaker 1: of have a belief in the supernatural. There's lots of
Speaker 1: supernatural elements to Catholicism, I feel. So before you guys
Speaker 1: moved in, did you guys believe in this stuff or
Speaker 1: have any it Wasians or anything.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't on the radar at all. The closest
Speaker 2: we ever came to go was when Mom took old
Speaker 2: linen sheets and cut holes in it so that we could,
Speaker 2: you know, go out for Halloween. It was absolutely not
Speaker 2: on the radar. My mother was drawn to that house
Speaker 2: for one reason only as a historian, someone who's deeply
Speaker 2: steeped in not just American history, but you know, ancient history.
Speaker 2: She was fascinated when she saw the place and wanted
Speaker 2: it because it was one of the last authentic colonial
Speaker 2: homes left in America. And it is absolutely stunningly beautiful.
Speaker 1: Well, the guy that you guys got it from, did
Speaker 1: he have anything to say about the paranormal.
Speaker 2: Well, mister Kenyon, I think, in his own way, tried
Speaker 2: to tell my father that there was activity in the house,
Speaker 2: but my father was oblivious to what he was. He
Speaker 2: took my dad out for a walk just before just
Speaker 2: before dusk the day that we moved in, and he
Speaker 2: was moving out, and he said, Roger, for the sake
Speaker 2: of your family, leave the lights on at night. And
Speaker 2: my father didn't know how to interpret that. The way
Speaker 2: that he did interpret it was, you know, this is
Speaker 2: a huge, vacuumous old house that is new to my children.
Speaker 2: All the bedrooms are upstairs, the stairwells are very steep
Speaker 2: and narrow, and if you don't want your kids falling
Speaker 2: down the stairs in the middle of the night to
Speaker 2: go to the one and only bathroom on the first floor,
Speaker 2: you'd better leave some lights on in the house. That's
Speaker 2: how his mind, his pragmatic Burgo mind, processed what would
Speaker 2: otherwise be a rather cryptic comment. And as things were
Speaker 2: happening in the house, mister Kenyon would stop by pretty regularly,
Speaker 2: and my mother would question him about strange noises and
Speaker 2: happenings in the house. And she was being very she
Speaker 2: was walking on eggshell She was being very delicate with
Speaker 2: it too, and he would just pat her on the
Speaker 2: hand and say, swallows in the chimney, My dear, swallows
Speaker 2: in the chimney.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 1: Oh, like birds or they make a noise?
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he just didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: But as we lived there, we found out from people
Speaker 2: that lived I mean we had two hundred acres, you know,
Speaker 2: couldn't even see the nearest neighbor's house. But just traveling
Speaker 2: on the school bus and getting to know some of
Speaker 2: the other people that lived in the area, we discovered
Speaker 2: that there was never ever a time that someone drove
Speaker 2: past that house in the middle of the night or
Speaker 2: in the wee hours of the morning, that that house
Speaker 2: wasn't lit up like a Christmas tree on the dark
Speaker 2: landscape in the remote woods of Harrisville, Rhode Island. Every
Speaker 2: single light was on in that house every single night.
Speaker 1: So when you guys move in, and it's always so
Speaker 1: interesting when there's a lot of people in one house,
Speaker 1: when the stories start to come out, you know, like
Speaker 1: I experienced something. Oh my god, that happened to me too,
Speaker 1: Like where did that start? And how soon did it start.
Speaker 2: We visited the house a number of times prior from
Speaker 2: the time my mother found it till we actually owned it,
Speaker 2: which was about June, about six months maybe less a
Speaker 2: little less. My mom found it in June of nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: My parents bought it in December of nineteen seventy and
Speaker 2: we moved in on January eleventh, nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: Is this were in the area at the time or where.
Speaker 2: We well, yeah, we lived in Cumberland, Rhode Island, which,
Speaker 2: as the crow flies, is only about maybe twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes away. But in all of our visits to
Speaker 2: the farm and to mister Kenyon. Prior to owning it,
Speaker 2: no one in the family ever remembered seeing anything, hearing, anything,
Speaker 2: smelling anything weird, you know. I mean, there was just
Speaker 2: no indication at all that there was anything weird or
Speaker 2: bizarre about that house. It wasn't until the day we
Speaker 2: moved in. It was almost as though they were waiting
Speaker 2: in the wings. And the day we moved in, I
Speaker 2: was the one that saw a full body apparition first.
Speaker 2: But he appeared as absolutely solid and flesh and blood
Speaker 2: as any living mortal being to me. And when I
Speaker 2: walked past him, he was standing in the door to
Speaker 2: the foyer of the dining room. And I walked in
Speaker 2: with a box that my dad had handed me off
Speaker 2: the back of the moving truck, and he said, take
Speaker 2: this to your mom in the kitchen. Mom had gone
Speaker 2: around to the kitchen door. She had my baby sister
Speaker 2: April with her, and the rest of us were big
Speaker 2: enough that we could help move things in the house.
Speaker 2: So I brought the box in through the parlor door,
Speaker 2: took a hard rite and there was mister Kenyon packing
Speaker 2: some of his belongings on the dining room table, and
Speaker 2: I stopped for a moment and greeted him, and then
Speaker 2: I turned around and there was this man standing in
Speaker 2: the corner of the room, and I noticed that he
Speaker 2: was dressed rather oddly, but he appeared absolutely solid to me.
Speaker 2: Was wearing he was wearing it looked like handmade pants
Speaker 2: and a linen shirt and kind of a handmade vest,
Speaker 2: and he had his arms crossed. He had one leg
Speaker 2: up against the wall and he was leaning against the wall,
Speaker 2: and his head was kind of cocked a little sideways
Speaker 2: with a quirky grin on his face, and he was
Speaker 2: completely transfixed on mister Kenyon and watching him. And as
Speaker 2: I walked past him, I said, good morning, sir, and
Speaker 2: he looked right through me like I was an invisible ghost.
Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't want to press it. I
Speaker 2: didn't know who he was. So I walked into the
Speaker 2: kitchen and I said, Mom, who's that man with mister Kenyon?
Speaker 2: And she said, there's nobody with mister Kenyon. His son's
Speaker 2: on the way, but he's not here yet, so I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I just presumed it was a neighbor who had stopped
Speaker 2: by to say goodbye. And I walked out the kitchen
Speaker 2: door and walked back around to the moving van. In
Speaker 2: the interim, my sister Christine walked in and she saw
Speaker 2: him and walked into the kitchen and said, Mom, who's
Speaker 2: the man with mister Kenyon? And She's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. As far as I know,
Speaker 2: there's nobody with mister Kenyon. And I can't go look
Speaker 2: because I'm on backing boxes so we can have dinner tonight.
Speaker 2: And so Chris walked out the kitchen door and then
Speaker 2: Cindy comes in the kitchen and with her box and
Speaker 2: she says, Mom, who's that And my mother's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe I don't know. And then Nancy, Nancy,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was mayhem, it's chaos. It's moving day,
Speaker 2: for God's sake. Yeah, and you know, So then Nancy
Speaker 2: walks in the kitchen and she leans over to Cindy
Speaker 2: and she says, Sin, did you see that man with
Speaker 2: mister Kenyon? I did. Buddy just disappeared. And that was
Speaker 2: our introduce, our introduction to the paranormal world.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that man ever again?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He was like a member of the
Speaker 2: freaking family. He was around all. He was very sweet.
Speaker 2: He was very sweet, and you know, he never caused
Speaker 2: a problem. He never made eye contact with any of us,
Speaker 2: except one time with my mother just once and acknowledged
Speaker 2: her and she acknowledged him.
Speaker 1: Did you ever figure out who that was?
Speaker 2: We don't know for certain, but we think it might
Speaker 2: have been Johnny Arnold, who was who died in the
Speaker 2: mid eighteen fifties and had apparently a drinking problem and
Speaker 2: he would drink horse liniment because it was the percentage
Speaker 2: of alcohol was so high and it killed him. Wow.
Speaker 1: So at what point do you guys go, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I think that was a ghost right away? Or did
Speaker 1: you kind of let it go?
Speaker 2: Well, none of us knew what a ghost was.
Speaker 1: Its Yeah, you're like, he doesn't have on a sheet
Speaker 1: with holes cutouts. He's just some guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, the closest we ever got
Speaker 2: to anything supernatural was, you know, coming home from school
Speaker 2: and watching dark shadows.
Speaker 1: You know, I love dark shadows.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh so much fun. You know, vampires
Speaker 2: are very sexy, not for nothing, but you know they
Speaker 2: really are. I mean, have you ever seen the Hunger?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: What I mean, that's just about as erotic as it gets.
Speaker 2: Oh well, there are several but okay, all right, I digres.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, now that we're on the topic of hot guys.
Speaker 1: Was that ghost hot? Yes, but he needed a makeover
Speaker 1: with those homemade ass clothes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, Oh no, I thought you were
Speaker 2: talking about David Bowie and I was talking about Catherine Denov.
Speaker 1: No, the ghost at your house with the homemakers.
Speaker 2: No, he was. Even though he was a relatively young
Speaker 2: man when he died, he looked much older than he was.
Speaker 2: He was kind of well, I guess, not short for
Speaker 2: his his time, his era. But he had very very
Speaker 2: weathered skin, aged skin, a lot of wrinkles, but very
Speaker 2: sweet blue eyes. And no, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean we you know, we don't know for sure.
Speaker 2: We may never know. You know, it's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: they lived in the days of Facebook and Instagram and
Speaker 2: you knew what they had for dinner every day, and
Speaker 2: you know everybody that they were related to or ever
Speaker 2: slept with, or you know. I mean, it's like there's
Speaker 2: no record of this. You know, there's birth and death
Speaker 2: certificates and not much else.
Speaker 1: You just have to put the pieces together.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's time, yes, it is, you know, But
Speaker 2: I've said many times, and I think that it bears repeating.
Speaker 2: It's it doesn't matter who they were in life, that
Speaker 2: they still are is proof of an after life.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, and you believe that the house is a portal, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've described it as a portal cleverly disguised as
Speaker 2: a farmhouse. You know, it's I mean, we never knew.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like God, we never knew if
Speaker 2: you know, if it was nineteen seventy two, if it
Speaker 2: was eighteen seventy six, it was seventeen forty, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, we just we never knew who we were
Speaker 2: going to see, what time period they would come from.
Speaker 2: One of the most fascinating things, and I'm jumping years
Speaker 2: ahead now, but one of the most fascinating things that
Speaker 2: ever happened in that house was when my mother looked
Speaker 2: into the dining room and saw an entire family having
Speaker 2: dinner at our table, a woman cooking over a fireplace
Speaker 2: that had been closed up solid for more than one
Speaker 2: hundred years when we moved into that house, and there
Speaker 2: were two men sitting at the table. They had Pewter
Speaker 2: Stein's in front of them, so it would be you know,
Speaker 2: indicative of the seventeen hundreds because pewter was outlawed for
Speaker 2: use and you know, for eating or drinking from because
Speaker 2: of the lead content in the eighteen hundreds. And they
Speaker 2: were sitting there and one of them looked into the
Speaker 2: parlor and saw my mother standing on the hearthstone, and
Speaker 2: he nudged the man behind him and pointed her out.
Speaker 2: And she was the ghost, right, So she was looking
Speaker 2: into the past as they were simultaneously peering into the future,
Speaker 2: which would certainly lead one to think that dimensions can intermingle.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, that's so weird. It's like she time traveled,
Speaker 1: you know, in their.
Speaker 2: Eyes, Yeah, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: Yes. Well, and especially being like you know, very interested
Speaker 1: in the history, as you said your mom was. It's
Speaker 1: it's very odd when you hear about all these different
Speaker 1: ghosts from different time periods living among you, because you're
Speaker 1: literally living amongst people from history, Like, it's very strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, dwelling among the dead. Well challenge
Speaker 2: you psychologically. You can't help but question your own sanity,
Speaker 2: to question your own senses. Did I just see that? Right?
Speaker 2: You know? I mean it? And that was I asked
Speaker 2: my sister Cindy one time. I said, sent you know,
Speaker 2: I was. I was writing the books at the time,
Speaker 2: and I wanted everybody's unique perspective, and they're all different
Speaker 2: on the experience of the decade that we spent there.
Speaker 2: And I asked her one time, you know, the age
Speaker 2: old question, what was the scariest thing that ever happened
Speaker 2: to you? I didn't put it quite that way, but
Speaker 2: I wanted her to divulge more. And she said, the
Speaker 2: thing that frightened her most about living at the farm
Speaker 2: was you never knew what was coming next. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was nothing predictable. The unexpected was expected, and anything could
Speaker 2: happen at any time. When Missus Warren first came to
Speaker 2: the house, you know those the guys Keith and Carl Johnson.
Speaker 2: Keith Johnson saw out the Warrens at a seminar at
Speaker 2: the University of Rhode Island in September of nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 2: and he's the one that informed them of our family's predicament.
Speaker 2: And then they waited until the night before Halloween in
Speaker 2: seventy three to show up at our door. And when
Speaker 2: my mother opened the kitchen door, she had absolutely no
Speaker 2: idea who these people were. She was on Halloween the
Speaker 2: night before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she I thought they were trigger treaders.
Speaker 2: Well she you know, my mother was very cordial and
Speaker 2: had no reason to suspect that this middle aged couple,
Speaker 2: you know, posed any threat, and so she figured they
Speaker 2: were just lost, and so she let them in the house,
Speaker 2: and they identified themselves, and missus Warren walked over to
Speaker 2: our old black stove and put her hand on the
Speaker 2: corner of it and covered her eyes, and she said,
Speaker 2: I sent a malignant presence in this house. Her name
Speaker 2: is Bethsheba. Now, to her credit, she knew nothing, nothing
Speaker 2: about the history of the house, so that she plucked
Speaker 2: that name out of thin air speaks volumes. But then
Speaker 2: she blamed her for everything that was nefarious that ever
Speaker 2: happened in the house, as though she was, you know,
Speaker 2: the lone culprit, and and as though the other spirits
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it. And it was I
Speaker 2: believe that the spirit that was, you know, that just
Speaker 2: ran my mother ragged clearly obviously had a broken neck.
Speaker 2: And Bathsheba died from a stroke in eighteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: So she did not hang from a tree. There was
Speaker 2: no exorcism in our house. There was a seance that
Speaker 2: was rather foisted upon my parents at my father's great
Speaker 2: objection in August of seventy four, but I think maybe
Speaker 2: the fifth time that they had come to conduct their investigation,
Speaker 2: and my father wanted absolutely no part of them. He
Speaker 2: didn't trust them. He thought that, you know, all of
Speaker 2: this was bs that that they were just going to
Speaker 2: exploit our family. And he didn't understand my mother having
Speaker 2: faith in them and spelling her guts about what happened
Speaker 2: at the house. I mean, he was still, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to deal with it himself. He was just coming
Speaker 2: out of complete and utter denial of it when they
Speaker 2: showed up, so, needless to say, he was highly skeptical.
Speaker 2: But they showed up one night with a priest and
Speaker 2: a medium, and they had cinematographers and they had an
Speaker 2: audio specialist, and I mean they showed up with a
Speaker 2: whole entourage, and I thought my father's head was just
Speaker 2: going to blow off. He did not want them there.
Speaker 2: And missus Warren said, your wife is oppressed, and if
Speaker 2: we do not intervene on her behalf, then she's going
Speaker 2: to end up in full blown possession and you're going
Speaker 2: to lose her. And you know, he just basically said
Speaker 2: you know, I don't believe in ghosts. And she just
Speaker 2: looked at him with venom in her eyes, and she
Speaker 2: said to him, if you love your wife, you'll let
Speaker 2: us do this. Well, thank god she wasn't a man,
Speaker 2: because had she been, he would have cold cocked her
Speaker 2: and her husband ed and the priest had to remove
Speaker 2: him from the room and take him into the bedroom
Speaker 2: and kind of talk him off a ledge. And meanwhile
Speaker 2: they took my mother and they put her at the table.
Speaker 2: And all the four of the five of us of
Speaker 2: the children, were home that night, and we were all
Speaker 2: told to go upstairs and close our doors and be quiet. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, you think we stayed up there. You know,
Speaker 2: I came down with my sister Sindy, and we snuck
Speaker 2: into the front foyer, and somebody had pushed the door
Speaker 2: closed to the dining room, but it was still open
Speaker 2: a crack about an inch ech and a half, and
Speaker 2: all the lights were turned off. Nobody could see us.
Speaker 2: And what I saw, what I saw happen not only
Speaker 2: solidified my faith in God as I prayed for my
Speaker 2: mother's life, but it also taught me that there is pure,
Speaker 2: unadulterated evil in the world. And it is with that
Speaker 2: knowledge that I deliberately choose to live in the light.
Speaker 2: Evil doesn't it doesn't, dare my mother. My mother was attacked,
Speaker 2: and some would say possessed, and perhaps if she was,
Speaker 2: technically it was for a very brief time. But my
Speaker 2: mother was attacked at that table because a medium who
Speaker 2: obviously didn't know what she was doing, threw open wide
Speaker 2: the doors to the nether world and conjured the spirits
Speaker 2: and invited everything in to an already supremely haunted house.
Speaker 2: So to determine who the actual culprit was, that is
Speaker 2: spiritual malpractice, and whatever it was that came into my
Speaker 2: mother spoke in a language that does not exist on
Speaker 2: this planet and likely never did. My mother was screaming
Speaker 2: and writhing in pain. Her body wadded up into a
Speaker 2: ball on the seat in the chair in which she
Speaker 2: was seated, I mean literally ros to the extent that
Speaker 2: you would expect to hear or her bones breaking. And she
Speaker 2: threw her head back and howled like a banshee, and
Speaker 2: then her chair levitated, and in a fraction of a
Speaker 2: second she was tossed in the chair from the middle
Speaker 2: of our dining room a good twenty feet away into
Speaker 2: the middle of our parlor, and when her head struck
Speaker 2: the floor, everyone who witnessed that was quite certain that
Speaker 2: they had just watched her die.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So you want to talk about fucking childhood trauma. There
Speaker 2: it is there, It is right there.
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Speaker 1: huge craze in the seventies. You know that that was
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