1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky and I'm pretty 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, help, I'm ghosted. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: By ras Dress. Hey boo, it's me, Roz. Happy Pride Month. 5 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Of course, that's something that means a lot to me, 6 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: and I thank you for for always you know, embracing 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: me as a member of the lgbt q I A 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: plus community. And here it ghosted by Roz Jesepheles. We 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: celebrate that all year long, and I think you tell 10 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: you allies and and members of the LGBTQI A plus 11 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: community as well. Go back and listen to some more 12 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: episodes with all the wonderful queer people I've had on 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: the show, and spread the word if people are looking 14 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: for a you know, queer friendly, queer hosted, queer embracing 15 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: podcast about ghosts. Oh my god, Okay this episode today, 16 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: you guys, I had so much fun and this is 17 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: a two parter. Okay this week. Well, first of all, 18 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: my guest is Andrea Parrin, who famously grew up in 19 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the house that went on to inspire the first Conjuring movie, 20 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: and so we had a lot to talk about. She's 21 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: my new friend she's got a great sense of humor, 22 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: she has a lot to say, and I feel like 23 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: we have and even scratch the surface. So hopefully I 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: can have her on again in the future. She sounds 25 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: she sounds down to do it, so UH this will 26 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: hopefully be the first of many conversations that I'll have 27 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: with her on this podcast. And in this first week's 28 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: UH version of our conversation, we talk a lot about 29 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: bath Sheba Sherman, who I talked to Amy Brune about. 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: And it's also there's also some some stuff about bath 31 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: Sheba Sherman and Amy Brune's book as well. And you know, 32 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: she's the woman that was made out to be this awful, spooky, 33 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: scary witch in the Conjuring movie, and so you'll hear 34 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: a lot about that today. And yeah, there's just there's 35 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: just so much. And as always, I have a little 36 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: bit extra if you want to hear on Patreon. She 37 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: tells the story that I first heard in that documentary 38 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: that came out about Edim Lorraine Warren a couple months back, 39 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: I think, not that long ago. What is time? You know? 40 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: It was at some point there was a documentary that's 41 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: pretty good. It's on Discovery. Plus, now somebody tells a 42 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: story about in the house that Andrea parent grew up in. 43 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Her mom bit into an orange and blood started gushing 44 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: out in like a paranormal way. And so I asked 45 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Andrea that story, and we talk about that on Patreon. 46 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: And I also asked her about like when the Amneyville 47 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Horror came out and Edie Lorraine Warren were on TV, 48 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: and like there was all this talk about, you know, 49 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: this haunted house case, which came after the original Conjuring 50 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: case with Ada and Lorraine Warren, and so I was 51 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: curious what that was like for her to see those 52 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: two paranormal investigator people, the Warrens on TV. But like, wait, 53 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: those are the people that were over here investigating my house. 54 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just I thought it was 55 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to ask her about. So you can 56 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: hear that on Patreon and that's patreon dot com slash 57 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: rosdres Fales And as always, I have a little video 58 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: this week. It's just a fun little game where I 59 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: tell I guess you could say I do dramatic readings 60 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: of real encounters or statements about aliens that celebrities have said. 61 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: And I have you guess which celebrities said that, So 62 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: it's all fun. Patreon dot com slash roz jes Fales. Okay, 63 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Here's Part one with Andrea Parrin 64 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: on with the show. I am so good you and 65 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: I we just met through Patrick Keller. Shout out to 66 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: Patrick and we we talked on the phone the other 67 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: day and I had so much fun talking to you. 68 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: You're you're a blast. 69 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm what is known as a live wire, and you know, 70 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: I mean you had me in stitches because at one point, uh, 71 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: you know, both of us were so wound up, and 72 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: you said, okay, we have to stop because you know, 73 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing because I'm you know, this is what this 74 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: is the kind of stuff we need to say for 75 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: the show and that and my response to that was, 76 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: oh honey, this doesn't run out. It's not like draining 77 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: a water pipe. You know, there's there's more where that 78 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: came from. 79 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you wrote about your uh just 80 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: your time living in that the famous house that we 81 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: all know about, and that span three books. I mean, yes, 82 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: you have a lot to say on this and it's 83 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: all gold and I can't wait for it. But Another 84 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: thing that you were telling me is that you love 85 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: drag queens. And I love that. 86 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: I do. I do. Years and years ago when I 87 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: lived just north of Atlanta in Roswell, Georgia, on the weekends, yeah, 88 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: the other Roswell. Yeah, I used to go into the 89 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: city with my sister Christine and some of our friends 90 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: and we would hit the drag bars and so I 91 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: got to know all the queens and oh my god, 92 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: I would fall at their feet, so talented, so beautiful. 93 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 2: It was. It was a blast. It was a period 94 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: of my life that was just you know, filled with 95 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: fun and excitement. And then a few years ago I 96 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: went to Gulf Pour Gulfport, Florida, which is it's near 97 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: it's south of Saint Pete and they had a great 98 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: drag bar. So for the time that I spent there, 99 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: I was I was out and about in town with 100 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: the queens, you know. And it's and the thing that 101 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: I love about it is my readers. A lot of 102 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: my readers, you know, they have nicknames for me, and 103 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: one of them is Queen of the Alternate Universe and 104 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: h and I tell them, you know, but I don't 105 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: have a crown, except you know, in the back of 106 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: my mouth and it's gold. But it's just for you know, 107 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: evening weear. And so every time I go to an 108 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: event somebody brings me a tiara or a crown, it's 109 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: they're precious. They're just lovely. 110 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: Oh, listen to us, just a couple of queens, I know, 111 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: getting speaky. Well, when you come to LA, you're gonna 112 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: have to come to one my shows. 113 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: Oh, I would love to, I truly would. 114 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Well, Okay, where do we start in a conversation about you? 115 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've talked about this stuff bajillion times, 116 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: so I hope that we can keep it fun and 117 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: interesting for you to talk about. 118 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't you know. I'm so I'm so grateful 119 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: that anybody I'm one of these humble, grateful souls, you know. 120 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm just so glad anybody wants to talk to me 121 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: about anything at all. You know, I would have thought 122 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: years and years ago that this story would have, you know, 123 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: worn its legs out and become passe. And I'm just 124 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: so happy when anybody wants me to come on their show. 125 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: And I do thousands of interviews and they've never subsided. 126 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: And my books are selling as well now as when 127 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: the story first came out, and sometimes better. So you know, 128 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: I just I look at this as this is my 129 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: privilege and my pleasure to connect and reconnect with not 130 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: only my friends and my followers, but to introduce the 131 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: story to new people. And you know, even if it's 132 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: just a handful of people that have never heard of 133 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: it before that you know, aren't you know, I don't 134 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: know what planet they would be from, but you know, 135 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: didn't know about the conjuring, didn't know about you know, 136 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: the backstory. Then this is my opportunity to tell them. 137 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not bored by it at all. 138 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: I just you know, I'll mix it up with you. 139 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: You can ask me anything, Roz. Believe me. I told 140 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: you the other day on the phone. There is no 141 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: there's no question off the table, none. I'll answer everything. 142 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: Well, I'm such a horror fan, and you know, especially 143 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: like these big budget horror movies, sometimes they just you know, 144 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: they come and go. And I know from you know, 145 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: being a part of the horror community and going to 146 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: horror conventions and that movie. I mean, it's been what 147 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: eight years or so since it came out, and it 148 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: is still it's still is it's clearly going to be 149 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: known as one of the most iconic horror movies, especially 150 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: in the haunted house paranormal horror movie genre. And then 151 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: I think that the success of it, which of course 152 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: has gone on to you know, a series of other films, 153 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the third one coming out like very soon, the it 154 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: has caused people to now be more interested in the 155 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: Warrens and you and the real story. And that's what 156 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: I really want to get into today. 157 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Well, you know, the real story behind The 158 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: Conjuring is so intense and so complicated, so spiritual in nature. 159 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: I think of it as a love story with a wicked, 160 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: supernatural twist. In fact, I think of our story as 161 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: an odd combination of The Exorcist meets Little House on 162 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: the Prairie. And so you know, when they the screenwriters 163 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: for The Conjuring, Chad and Carry Hayes, they're twin brothers, 164 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: lovely people read my books. They freaked out. They were like, 165 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: we have to include this. You know, this can't just 166 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: rely predominantly on the case files of the warrants. We 167 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: need to include some of what's real in this story 168 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: into the story. And they desperately wanted to do so. Unfortunately, 169 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: every time they attempted to incorporate elements of the truth 170 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: into the story, it scared the execs at Warner Brothers 171 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: and New Line Cinema so much that they told them 172 00:11:52,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: to take it out. They actually submitted their screenplace even times, 173 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 2: and seven times it was rejected, and they were told 174 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: to delete anything that came out of my books because 175 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: you know, even studio execs or fear based carbon units, 176 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: they were trying to get a PG. Thirteen rating, which 177 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: they didn't get anyway, and they were trying not to 178 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: literally scare people out of the theater, and so based 179 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: on their reaction, their personal reaction to our true story, 180 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: they told the screenwriters that they had to take it out. 181 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: So the Conjuring screenplay is kind of an interesting amalgamation 182 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: between the case files of Ed and Lorraine Warren Cherry 183 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: picking what they felt was safe from my books than 184 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: the screenwriters Chad and carry kind of conjured up a 185 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: whole third story and that's what became the Conjuring. So 186 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: it bears no actual resemblance to the truth, and the 187 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: portrayal of my family is inaccurate at times in the extreme, 188 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: but I don't mean for that to sound critical in 189 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: any way, because they were trying to do something that 190 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: was quite literally impossible. They were trying to compress a 191 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: ten year period into a two hour film, and with 192 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: the focus being on Ed and Lorraine Warren as one 193 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: of their primary cases. And before Ed died, he told 194 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: Lorraine that he wanted her to move heaven and Earth 195 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: to get the paren family story told. He was on 196 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: the record verbatim as saying it was the most intense, 197 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: most disturbing, most compelling, and most significant of all of 198 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: the investigations that they ever conducted. So when James wand 199 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: read my books, He's like, how the hell do I 200 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: not know about this? You know, he was an officionado 201 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: of the Warrens. He was like totally into what they 202 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: were doing and how they were doing it. And he 203 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: followed them for well, practically for as long as he 204 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: was alive, and they, you know, were well into their 205 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: career when he was a kid, so he naturally gravitated 206 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: toward them as being pioneers in the paranormal and he 207 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: just he's like, how do I not know about this? 208 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: When I first met with him in Hollywood, you know, 209 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: he asked me, we're sitting at a production meeting and 210 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: he's like, you know, why was this not out in 211 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: the world. And I said, there's a very simple reason. 212 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: My mother said, no, that's why. And then thirty years 213 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: later I picked up a pen and started writing our truth, 214 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: not even knowing if there was going to be anyone 215 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: out there that was interested in hearing it. 216 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I always I have a lot of 217 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: conversations on this show about it's like a weird formula 218 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: of things to happen for something like the Amneyville Horror 219 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: to become what it is, because you have to have 220 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: people that live in a house that are going to 221 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: talk about it and want to go on TV. And 222 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, that's not always the case. There's a lot 223 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: of people that live in these situations that may never 224 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: even publicly share them. And so I mean, when this 225 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: was happening, your family, your parents were not the personalities 226 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: to say let's go on TV, right or. 227 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: Oh god, no, oh my god. Now. In fact, that's 228 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: one of the major discrepancies in the film, because well, 229 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: there were several and we can cover them all, but 230 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: the one that my mother was kind of shocked by. 231 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: She never went to see it in the theater. My 232 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: mother's very reclusive. She doesn't like she's like Dorothy Gale 233 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: and the Wizard of Oz. She doesn't really want to 234 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: go outside her own yard. And yet you know, she's 235 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: been to Oz and back, except that she's been to 236 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: Helen back, and. 237 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: She's been portrayed by Lily Taylor, which is iconic. 238 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lily was wonderful in the role. I think she 239 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: got totally screwed not getting nominated for some kind of 240 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: an award for her portrayal. 241 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: I thought Hollywood's idea of the. 242 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: Very powerful performance that she delivered. But you know the 243 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: thing is that we didn't know who the Warrens were 244 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: when they showed up at our door. My mother did 245 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: not go seeking out the warrants. We didn't know who 246 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: the young team of paranormal investigators were that pulled into 247 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: our yard in August of nineteen seventy three and why 248 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: they were there, And to this day we cannot explain 249 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: the mystery around that because a young and interestingly twin 250 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: brothers kind of like the screenwriters were. Chad and Carrie 251 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: Hayes were the screenwriters, but the twin brothers that showed 252 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: up at our house in nineteen seventy three or Keith 253 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: and Carl Johnson and their team of paranormal investigators from 254 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: Rhode Island College, and Keith said that my mother called 255 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: him and asked him to come out out to the house. 256 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 2: And my mother never called anybody and asked anyone to 257 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: investigate what she didn't even understand herself. Wow. And he said, 258 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: but I recognize your voice, missus Parrin, And she said, dear, 259 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't know who called you, but it wasn't me. 260 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: And even saying those words now sends a chill up 261 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: my spine because my mother was already being oppressed by 262 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: a spirit that you know, they can be very powerful, 263 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: and my mother was already in transition the spirit in 264 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: the house that wanted my mother out, that just loathed 265 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: her and threatened her and wanted her out of that house, 266 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: figured by my own assumption that if she couldn't get 267 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 2: her out, then she would go within. And my mom's 268 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: voice was changing. She was wearing vintage clothing, she was 269 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: using archaic English terminology in her you know, matter of fact, 270 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: normal day to day speech. And at first we thought 271 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: it was because she was doing so much research on 272 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: the house that she was kind of getting it into 273 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: her head and you know, reading that language so much 274 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: that she was incorporating it into her normal patterns of speech. 275 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: But it was something more than that. And I do 276 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: believe that the visage of my mother called Keith Johnson, 277 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: but it wasn't my mother. 278 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: God, I like that version. I like the idea of 279 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: of seeing in a horror movie a ghost calling somebody 280 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: or something. 281 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I've had a numerous incidents where 282 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: I've been in contact with Bethjieba Sherman through spirit box, 283 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: and she will attempt to throw my voice, to use 284 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: my voice instead of her own. And one of the 285 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: sessions that I was doing with my friend George Lopez 286 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: was with her. 287 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Well white, the actor comedian George Lopez. 288 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: No, my friend George Lopez is the sit on your 289 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: ass comedian, not the stand up one. Oh he's yeah, 290 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: he lives here in Florida and he yeah, George is 291 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: always most comfortable if he's down in a chair and 292 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: completely out of the public eye. So's he's the antithesis 293 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: of the original George Lopez. 294 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Well, the famous George Lopez lives in a haunted house. 295 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I know he does. 296 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really want to talk to him at 297 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: some point, but oh. 298 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: You should, Yeah, you should hook us up too. I'd 299 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: like to have a conversation with him. So but anyway, 300 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: I was at George's house, I don't know, probably about 301 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: six or seven years ago, and we were doing a 302 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: spirit box session and my voice came through that box 303 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: and George was like, oh, hell no, you know, we'll 304 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: talk to you, but you can't throw Andrea's voice. You 305 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: need to use your own voice or we're not doing this. 306 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, the voice of it sounded 307 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: like a child came through. And Bethsheba was a very 308 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: diminutive person. She was a very small framed woman with 309 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: a high pitched voice, and I have her on several 310 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: recordings coming through and communicating with us. Well that's how 311 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: she came through. And once she finally did, we had 312 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation and George asked her at one 313 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: point what one word she associates with me, and instantly 314 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: her response was love. And I know why because I've 315 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: been her defender. You know, she was made out to 316 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: be the villainous, you know, to be the offending spirit 317 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: in the conjuring, and that was based on Missus Warren's 318 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: interpretation of things, But she was not the one that 319 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: was haunting and taunting my mother, and in fact was 320 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: not even born yet when the spirit that was coming 321 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: after my mother was long dead. You know, my father 322 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: believes that it's actually Missus John Arnold, who was found 323 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: hanging in the barn in seventeen ninety seven at the 324 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: age of ninety three, who took her own life after 325 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: her husband passed away. And that was according to the 326 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: town historian who came and met my parents and told 327 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: them as much as he knew of the history of 328 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: the farm. You know, now, the thing is, none of 329 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: them ever walked up to any of us and said, oh, hello, 330 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: my name is You know. There was literally only one 331 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: self identifying spirit at the farmhouse, and he was a 332 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: little boy that my sister played with. You know, that 333 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: was one element that they picked up in the conjuring 334 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: that was accurate. But you know, they portrayed my family 335 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: as godless heathens as juxtaposed to the devout Roman Catholic Warrens, 336 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: when nothing could have been further from the truth. We 337 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: were all born and raised Catholic. My father had intended 338 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: on serving his tour in the navy and then coming 339 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: back and going into the seminary to become a priest. 340 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: He was born and raised in the parochial Roman Catholic tradition, 341 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: had served as an altar boy for you know, the 342 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: bulk of his youth, and had been very influenced by 343 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: a couple of priests who he admired greatly, and he 344 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: won to follow in their footsteps. And it was only 345 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: during you know, that period where he was in the 346 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: navy and met my mother that all bets were off 347 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: about the priesthood because he fell in love with her, 348 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: and so you know, bingo, that's where we all come from. 349 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: But we were not godless, you know, we weren't paran 350 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: Pagans or godless heathens. You know, although pagan does you know, 351 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: Pagan is a religion, and you know, more closely akin 352 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: to what I practice, because you know, I say, if 353 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: you want to know God, go to the woods. But 354 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: I just I look at the you know, that was 355 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: the thing my mother took the greatest exception to. She 356 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: thought that the whole possession and exorcism scene in the film, 357 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: and she watched it on DVD. One night, she walked 358 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: into the parlor and She's like, Okay, I'm ready to 359 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 2: watch it. And I said, well, you know, mom, we 360 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: were going to watch The Princess Bride. She's like, just 361 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: put the movie in. So I mean, yeah, we're going 362 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: to watch The Princess Bride for like the fiftieth time. 363 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: And she's like, no, you can quote the script on that. 364 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm ready to see the movie now. 365 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: Ye see me? 366 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it. So she's so funny and uh 367 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: oh when I showed her, I got just as an aside, 368 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: when I showed her the trailer for the first time, 369 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: the initial trailer that came out for the film. She 370 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: stood there and we had it up on a big 371 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: mac and she is watching this thing and with her 372 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: arms crossed and her foot tapping, and when it was 373 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: all done, she said, I wouldn't have been caught dead 374 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: in that skirt. 375 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: That is something we talk about this all the time 376 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: on this show, getting re enacted, because you know, we talked. 377 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of people that have been 378 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: on celebrity ghost Stories and various shows where they get reacted, 379 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: and that is one of my favorite things is people 380 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: are like, my hair isn't like that. I didn't wear that. 381 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, We didn't listen to music like that. We listened 382 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: to hippie music. What's wrong with these people? You know? 383 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh God, she's so funny, she's so sweet. 384 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: Well, but who the whole bad Sheba Sherman thing. We 385 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: talked to Amy Bruney about that, and I know she 386 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: talks about it in her book about just you know, 387 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's unfortunate to see how somebody's image, 388 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: even though they're long past, can be portrayed and skewed. 389 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: And and there's been a number you know, that happens 390 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: all the time. There's so much folklore that gets gathered 391 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: around people that it's like they they that's not who 392 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: they were. 393 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: You know. 394 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how I would feel about that. If 395 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: my spirit was lingering around and everyone had something bad 396 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: to say about me. 397 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: Well, she's pissed, I can tell you that, you know. 398 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: And I and right after the movie opened, some moron, 399 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: some idiot, decided to go into the cemetery where she 400 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: was buried, is buried and desecrate her gravestone. And when 401 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: I found out about that, I went immediately to one 402 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: of my producers. I said, I need to make a 403 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 2: video right now. He said, okay, okay, okay, and I 404 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: put it out, and you know, I basically said, you know, 405 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: here's the thing. I don't know who you are, but 406 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: she does. And woe be unto you for going into 407 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: that cemetery on sacred ground and using whatever you did 408 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: to destroy one hundred and fifty year old gravestone. This 409 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: will haunt you for the rest of your life. And 410 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: I was, I was just, you know, I really think 411 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: that's why Bethsheba cares for me, because yes, I did 412 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: write in the books what you know people said in 413 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: town about her, what the historian. 414 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Said about her, But which is what. 415 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: Well, when he came he knew her when he was 416 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: a child. Who did the historian did. Yes, he had 417 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: lived in that town lifelong. His name was mister mckeachen, 418 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: and he was in his nineties when we met him. 419 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: She died in eighteen eighty five. We moved there in 420 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, so you do. The math was she 421 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: died when he was ten years old, and she had 422 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: a reputation as a very mean spirited woman. She was 423 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: born in eighteen twelve. She died in eighteen eighty five, 424 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: and she was apparently quite cruel to her. Farm hands 425 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: would beat them, would starve them, would you know. I 426 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: mean when he spoke of her, he would drop his eyes. 427 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: He wouldn't even look directly at you. It was like 428 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: it pained him to tell the story of her. She 429 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: was not an arnold. She never lived at the farmhouse. 430 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: She was a product of a union between the Fair 431 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: family and the Taft family, both families of extraordinary means. 432 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: Both there was a president Taft right from her bloodline, 433 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: and the Fairs basically helped build Brown University. Fair Street 434 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: is probably the most famous street in Providence. And how 435 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: she hooked up with Judson Sherman, a farmer out in 436 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: the backwoods of Harrisville, Rhode Island. You know, nobody will 437 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: ever know. But she was a young woman when she 438 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: moved there, probably sixteen or seventeen years old when she married, 439 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: and you know, and that was considered late back then, 440 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: because life expectancy was around forty five years old, And 441 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: so she had a reputation that preceded her when we 442 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: moved to the farm, and mister mckechen told my mother 443 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: that at some point she was accused of having taken 444 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: the life of an infant while at our home at 445 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: the Arnold estate, and we don't know if she was babysitting, 446 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: if she was visiting and she had one of her 447 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: own children with her, We don't know. And I'd be 448 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: the first one to say, you know, they are a 449 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: huge glaring holes in this story. Worry, but you know, 450 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: piecing it together. He said that she was accused. Upon 451 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: examining the infant's body, it was found by the doctor 452 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: that there was a needle that had been impaled at 453 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: the base of its skull and the cause of death 454 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: was listed as convulsions. That's what he told my mother, 455 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: which absolutely unnerved her, appalled her. But then there was 456 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: apparently some inquest. The town that we lived in was 457 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: not even incorporated then, it was just a smattering of villages. 458 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: So there was an inquest in the town seat of Chapatchet, 459 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: which is actually now the town seat in Gloucester Leocester, 460 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: Rhode Island, the town just south of Burrelville, and there 461 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: was an inquest that involved a judge. There was something 462 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: written up in a local paper. My mother found an 463 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: article about it in archives that were actually stored in 464 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: western Massachusetts, and she included it in her notebook of 465 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: historical records, births, deaths, you know, all the different certificates. 466 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: When she was doing research on the house, and Missus 467 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: Warren asked for that notebook to make xerox copies of 468 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 2: everything in it, and my mother never saw it again. 469 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: So she was working from memory in terms of telling 470 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: me this to put it into the book. But according 471 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: to the inquest, she was absolved of responsibility and if 472 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: she did something wrong, then she talked herself, you know, 473 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: talked her way out of it. But you know that 474 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: was back at a time when things could, you know, 475 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: terrible accidents could happen. There was a sewing basket in 476 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: every room. We don't know if it was an infant 477 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: or a toddler, if you know, a baby had been 478 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: laid down in the soft of a yarn, a basket 479 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: of yarn, and a terrible accident happened. We don't know. 480 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: And I just don't think that it's right to accuse 481 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: someone of murder if you don't have any evidence of that. 482 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: So the judge said, no, there's you know, basically, there's 483 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: nothing to see here. This looks like it must have 484 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: been some kind of an accident. But in the court 485 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: of public opinion, Bathsheba was tried and convicted and lived 486 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: a long and miserable life. And you know, just one 487 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: hundred or so years earlier, being called a witch in 488 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: New England, just up the road in Salem would get 489 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: you killed. That's still a very dangerous word to throw 490 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: around in some parts of the world. Women die every 491 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: day on this planet somewhere for being accused to being witch. 492 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: Well, because in the movie what was how was she 493 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: portrayed inaccurately? I mean, I'm trying to It's been like 494 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: about a year since I've seen the movie, but I'm 495 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: trying to remember she was a witch in the movie? 496 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: Is that right? 497 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: Or yeah? Well that's you know, kind of how they 498 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: portrayed her, and she took tremendous exception to that. But 499 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: her biggest gripe was she was really angry that a 500 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: man played her and that she was so ugly and hideous, 501 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: because Bathsheba was actually quite beautiful. And the research that 502 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: I did about her, I surmised that one of the 503 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: reasons why she was accused of selling her soul to 504 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: the devil for eternal youth and beauty and sacrificing a 505 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: baby to do it, was because the women. Some of 506 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 2: the women in town were threatened by her, and the 507 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: men would often gaze upon her with rapacious eyes. So 508 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: she was a threat. And you know, had there been 509 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 2: any evidence, any proof whatsoever, that Beth sheeba Sherman was 510 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: a practicing witch and that had done something as hideous 511 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: and heinous as taking the life of a baby, she 512 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: would not be buried in hallow ground, hallowed ground in 513 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 2: the middle of the Riverside cemetery in Harrisville, Rhode Island, 514 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 2: next to her husband, with three tiny little graves right 515 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: beside hers. Because three of her four children didn't live 516 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: past the age of four. Wow, and that was not 517 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: that unusual. That's not you know, any kind of implication 518 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: that she killed off her kids as she had at all. 519 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: You know, common cold could take you out in the 520 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds and prior to that, you know, even today, 521 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, let's face it, we're in the 522 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 2: midst of a battle with a new coronavirus. You know, 523 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 2: it's it's it's shocking to walk through the cemeteries of 524 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 2: New England, the early cemeteries. You are there's not a chance, 525 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: there's a guarantee that you are going to trip over 526 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 2: a tiny little gravestone that doesn't even have a name 527 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: carved on it because it was considered bad luck to 528 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: name your baby before it was a year old. God, 529 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: can you imagine now children and going through that whole 530 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: process of bringing a new life into the world, only 531 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: to see the common cold kill it. 532 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: Right, So you how often do you talk to her 533 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: or have you been in contact with her spirit? 534 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: I've spoken with her through spirit box sessions several times. 535 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: And so she I mean, I don't know how it 536 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: works in the ghost world, but she has seen the 537 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: movie or like she knows about. 538 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: Me, knows she knows, Yeah, she knows. And I was 539 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: a few years ago, I was giving a lecture near 540 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 2: her gravestone. Only had about maybe twenty or thirty people 541 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: with me, and I was just talking about her and 542 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: what I knew of her. And you know, I have 543 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: a whole entire chapter in volume three of my book's 544 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: House of Darkness, House of Light, and it's called Season 545 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: of the Witch. And not only does it address what 546 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: is most likely you know, I can't absolve her because 547 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I certainly have given 548 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: her the benefit of the doubt, and in that chapter 549 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: of the book. It retraces the entire history of that 550 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: word in use and the ramifications of such. And I 551 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 2: was talking about that near her gravestone. I guess it 552 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: was about maybe four or five years ago, and one 553 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: of the young men that was at the lecture was 554 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: recording it unbeknownst to me. And when I got back 555 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 2: to my home, he called me up and he said, Andrea, 556 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: you're not going to believe this. He's like, oh my god, 557 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 2: wait till you hear this. I said, well, you know, Cody, 558 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 2: you know, wait till I hear what. And he sent 559 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 2: me an audio clip of a disembodied voice of Beth 560 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: sheeba Sherman, screaming her name allowed over me as I 561 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 2: was as I was lecturing, and no one heard it, 562 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: but it was recorded on the videotape and it was 563 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: absolutely her voice. 564 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: But you think she sounded mad. 565 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: I think it was more frustration than anything. She screamed, 566 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 2: bath Sheba, like I'm here, I'm right here. No, and 567 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 2: nobody heard it, but it was captured on tape. He 568 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: was recording what I was saying, and there it was, 569 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: and it was her. So you know, I have you know, 570 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 2: and I've mixed it up with her a little bit 571 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: here and there because she has a tendency to misbehave, 572 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: but that she she came through. 573 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: A spirit box with your voice. Is that what you 574 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: said earlier? 575 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 2: Yes? 576 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: Okay, now here's my show bizweel's turning. We get you 577 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: on America's Got Talent. You could do ventriloquist. 578 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 2: Act smart ass? 579 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: Well, can we talk about like see, I talk to 580 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: people that live in haunted houses, but it's like, uh, 581 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: there's just so much here and usually what we do 582 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: is we kind of start from the beginning and and 583 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: get into it a bit. So if we could do 584 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: that as much as you're you're willing to share. I'm 585 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: curious because you said that your your family was Catholic, 586 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: and I always think that because I grew up Catholic too, 587 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: and I always think that Catholic people tend to kind 588 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: of have a belief in the supernatural. There's lots of 589 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: supernatural elements to Catholicism, I feel. So before you guys 590 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: moved in, did you guys believe in this stuff or 591 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,760 Speaker 1: have any it Wasians or anything. 592 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't on the radar at all. The closest 593 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: we ever came to go was when Mom took old 594 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 2: linen sheets and cut holes in it so that we could, 595 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: you know, go out for Halloween. It was absolutely not 596 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 2: on the radar. My mother was drawn to that house 597 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 2: for one reason only as a historian, someone who's deeply 598 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 2: steeped in not just American history, but you know, ancient history. 599 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 2: She was fascinated when she saw the place and wanted 600 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 2: it because it was one of the last authentic colonial 601 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: homes left in America. And it is absolutely stunningly beautiful. 602 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, the guy that you guys got it from, did 603 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: he have anything to say about the paranormal. 604 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 2: Well, mister Kenyon, I think, in his own way, tried 605 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: to tell my father that there was activity in the house, 606 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 2: but my father was oblivious to what he was. He 607 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 2: took my dad out for a walk just before just 608 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: before dusk the day that we moved in, and he 609 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 2: was moving out, and he said, Roger, for the sake 610 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: of your family, leave the lights on at night. And 611 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,479 Speaker 2: my father didn't know how to interpret that. The way 612 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 2: that he did interpret it was, you know, this is 613 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 2: a huge, vacuumous old house that is new to my children. 614 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 2: All the bedrooms are upstairs, the stairwells are very steep 615 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: and narrow, and if you don't want your kids falling 616 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 2: down the stairs in the middle of the night to 617 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 2: go to the one and only bathroom on the first floor, 618 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 2: you'd better leave some lights on in the house. That's 619 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 2: how his mind, his pragmatic Burgo mind, processed what would 620 00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 2: otherwise be a rather cryptic comment. And as things were 621 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 2: happening in the house, mister Kenyon would stop by pretty regularly, 622 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 2: and my mother would question him about strange noises and 623 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 2: happenings in the house. And she was being very she 624 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 2: was walking on eggshell She was being very delicate with 625 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 2: it too, and he would just pat her on the 626 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: hand and say, swallows in the chimney, My dear, swallows 627 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 2: in the chimney. 628 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: What was that? 629 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 2: Me? 630 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: Oh, like birds or they make a noise? 631 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he just didn't want to talk about it. 632 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 2: But as we lived there, we found out from people 633 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 2: that lived I mean we had two hundred acres, you know, 634 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: couldn't even see the nearest neighbor's house. But just traveling 635 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 2: on the school bus and getting to know some of 636 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 2: the other people that lived in the area, we discovered 637 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 2: that there was never ever a time that someone drove 638 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 2: past that house in the middle of the night or 639 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 2: in the wee hours of the morning, that that house 640 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 2: wasn't lit up like a Christmas tree on the dark 641 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 2: landscape in the remote woods of Harrisville, Rhode Island. Every 642 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 2: single light was on in that house every single night. 643 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: So when you guys move in, and it's always so 644 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,720 Speaker 1: interesting when there's a lot of people in one house, 645 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: when the stories start to come out, you know, like 646 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: I experienced something. Oh my god, that happened to me too, 647 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: Like where did that start? And how soon did it start. 648 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 2: We visited the house a number of times prior from 649 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: the time my mother found it till we actually owned it, 650 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 2: which was about June, about six months maybe less a 651 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 2: little less. My mom found it in June of nineteen seventy. 652 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 2: My parents bought it in December of nineteen seventy and 653 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 2: we moved in on January eleventh, nineteen seventy one. 654 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: Is this were in the area at the time or where. 655 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 2: We well, yeah, we lived in Cumberland, Rhode Island, which, 656 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 2: as the crow flies, is only about maybe twenty twenty 657 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: five minutes away. But in all of our visits to 658 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 2: the farm and to mister Kenyon. Prior to owning it, 659 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 2: no one in the family ever remembered seeing anything, hearing, anything, 660 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 2: smelling anything weird, you know. I mean, there was just 661 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 2: no indication at all that there was anything weird or 662 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 2: bizarre about that house. It wasn't until the day we 663 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 2: moved in. It was almost as though they were waiting 664 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 2: in the wings. And the day we moved in, I 665 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 2: was the one that saw a full body apparition first. 666 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 2: But he appeared as absolutely solid and flesh and blood 667 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 2: as any living mortal being to me. And when I 668 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 2: walked past him, he was standing in the door to 669 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 2: the foyer of the dining room. And I walked in 670 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 2: with a box that my dad had handed me off 671 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 2: the back of the moving truck, and he said, take 672 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 2: this to your mom in the kitchen. Mom had gone 673 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 2: around to the kitchen door. She had my baby sister 674 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 2: April with her, and the rest of us were big 675 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 2: enough that we could help move things in the house. 676 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 2: So I brought the box in through the parlor door, 677 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 2: took a hard rite and there was mister Kenyon packing 678 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 2: some of his belongings on the dining room table, and 679 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 2: I stopped for a moment and greeted him, and then 680 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 2: I turned around and there was this man standing in 681 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 2: the corner of the room, and I noticed that he 682 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 2: was dressed rather oddly, but he appeared absolutely solid to me. 683 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 2: Was wearing he was wearing it looked like handmade pants 684 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 2: and a linen shirt and kind of a handmade vest, 685 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 2: and he had his arms crossed. He had one leg 686 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: up against the wall and he was leaning against the wall, 687 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,879 Speaker 2: and his head was kind of cocked a little sideways 688 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 2: with a quirky grin on his face, and he was 689 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 2: completely transfixed on mister Kenyon and watching him. And as 690 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 2: I walked past him, I said, good morning, sir, and 691 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 2: he looked right through me like I was an invisible ghost. 692 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't want to press it. I 693 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 2: didn't know who he was. So I walked into the 694 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,760 Speaker 2: kitchen and I said, Mom, who's that man with mister Kenyon? 695 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 2: And she said, there's nobody with mister Kenyon. His son's 696 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,959 Speaker 2: on the way, but he's not here yet, so I'm sure. 697 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 2: I just presumed it was a neighbor who had stopped 698 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 2: by to say goodbye. And I walked out the kitchen 699 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 2: door and walked back around to the moving van. In 700 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,479 Speaker 2: the interim, my sister Christine walked in and she saw 701 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,280 Speaker 2: him and walked into the kitchen and said, Mom, who's 702 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 2: the man with mister Kenyon? And She's like, I don't 703 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. As far as I know, 704 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 2: there's nobody with mister Kenyon. And I can't go look 705 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 2: because I'm on backing boxes so we can have dinner tonight. 706 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 2: And so Chris walked out the kitchen door and then 707 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 2: Cindy comes in the kitchen and with her box and 708 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 2: she says, Mom, who's that And my mother's like, I 709 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe I don't know. And then Nancy, Nancy, 710 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it was mayhem, it's chaos. It's moving day, 711 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 2: for God's sake. Yeah, and you know, So then Nancy 712 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 2: walks in the kitchen and she leans over to Cindy 713 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 2: and she says, Sin, did you see that man with 714 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 2: mister Kenyon? I did. Buddy just disappeared. And that was 715 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 2: our introduce, our introduction to the paranormal world. 716 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: Did you ever see that man ever again? 717 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god. He was like a member of the 718 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 2: freaking family. He was around all. He was very sweet. 719 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 2: He was very sweet, and you know, he never caused 720 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 2: a problem. He never made eye contact with any of us, 721 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 2: except one time with my mother just once and acknowledged 722 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,919 Speaker 2: her and she acknowledged him. 723 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: Did you ever figure out who that was? 724 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 2: We don't know for certain, but we think it might 725 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 2: have been Johnny Arnold, who was who died in the 726 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 2: mid eighteen fifties and had apparently a drinking problem and 727 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 2: he would drink horse liniment because it was the percentage 728 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 2: of alcohol was so high and it killed him. Wow. 729 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: So at what point do you guys go, wait a minute, 730 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: I think that was a ghost right away? Or did 731 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: you kind of let it go? 732 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 2: Well, none of us knew what a ghost was. 733 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: Its Yeah, you're like, he doesn't have on a sheet 734 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: with holes cutouts. He's just some guy. 735 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, the closest we ever got 736 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 2: to anything supernatural was, you know, coming home from school 737 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 2: and watching dark shadows. 738 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, I love dark shadows. 739 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh so much fun. You know, vampires 740 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 2: are very sexy, not for nothing, but you know they 741 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 2: really are. I mean, have you ever seen the Hunger? 742 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 743 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 2: What I mean, that's just about as erotic as it gets. 744 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 2: Oh well, there are several but okay, all right, I digres. 745 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: Well, wait, now that we're on the topic of hot guys. 746 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: Was that ghost hot? Yes, but he needed a makeover 747 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: with those homemade ass clothes. 748 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, Oh no, I thought you were 749 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 2: talking about David Bowie and I was talking about Catherine Denov. 750 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: No, the ghost at your house with the homemakers. 751 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 2: No, he was. Even though he was a relatively young 752 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 2: man when he died, he looked much older than he was. 753 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 2: He was kind of well, I guess, not short for 754 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,879 Speaker 2: his his time, his era. But he had very very 755 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 2: weathered skin, aged skin, a lot of wrinkles, but very 756 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 2: sweet blue eyes. And no, you know, I don't know. 757 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 2: I mean we you know, we don't know for sure. 758 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 2: We may never know. You know, it's not like, you know, 759 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 2: they lived in the days of Facebook and Instagram and 760 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 2: you knew what they had for dinner every day, and 761 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 2: you know everybody that they were related to or ever 762 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 2: slept with, or you know. I mean, it's like there's 763 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 2: no record of this. You know, there's birth and death 764 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 2: certificates and not much else. 765 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,280 Speaker 1: You just have to put the pieces together. 766 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's time, yes, it is, you know, But 767 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 2: I've said many times, and I think that it bears repeating. 768 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 2: It's it doesn't matter who they were in life, that 769 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 2: they still are is proof of an after life. 770 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: Yes, well, and you believe that the house is a portal, right. 771 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've described it as a portal cleverly disguised as 772 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 2: a farmhouse. You know, it's I mean, we never knew. 773 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it was like God, we never knew if 774 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 2: you know, if it was nineteen seventy two, if it 775 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 2: was eighteen seventy six, it was seventeen forty, you know, 776 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we just we never knew who we were 777 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 2: going to see, what time period they would come from. 778 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,440 Speaker 2: One of the most fascinating things, and I'm jumping years 779 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 2: ahead now, but one of the most fascinating things that 780 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 2: ever happened in that house was when my mother looked 781 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,240 Speaker 2: into the dining room and saw an entire family having 782 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 2: dinner at our table, a woman cooking over a fireplace 783 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 2: that had been closed up solid for more than one 784 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 2: hundred years when we moved into that house, and there 785 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 2: were two men sitting at the table. They had Pewter 786 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 2: Stein's in front of them, so it would be you know, 787 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 2: indicative of the seventeen hundreds because pewter was outlawed for 788 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 2: use and you know, for eating or drinking from because 789 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 2: of the lead content in the eighteen hundreds. And they 790 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,319 Speaker 2: were sitting there and one of them looked into the 791 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 2: parlor and saw my mother standing on the hearthstone, and 792 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 2: he nudged the man behind him and pointed her out. 793 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 2: And she was the ghost, right, So she was looking 794 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 2: into the past as they were simultaneously peering into the future, 795 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 2: which would certainly lead one to think that dimensions can intermingle. 796 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, that's so weird. It's like she time traveled, 797 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, in their. 798 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 2: Eyes, Yeah, and vice versa. 799 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: Yes. Well, and especially being like you know, very interested 800 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: in the history, as you said your mom was. It's 801 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: it's very odd when you hear about all these different 802 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: ghosts from different time periods living among you, because you're 803 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 1: literally living amongst people from history, Like, it's very strange. 804 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, dwelling among the dead. Well challenge 805 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 2: you psychologically. You can't help but question your own sanity, 806 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 2: to question your own senses. Did I just see that? Right? 807 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,800 Speaker 2: You know? I mean it? And that was I asked 808 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 2: my sister Cindy one time. I said, sent you know, 809 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 2: I was. I was writing the books at the time, 810 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 2: and I wanted everybody's unique perspective, and they're all different 811 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 2: on the experience of the decade that we spent there. 812 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,240 Speaker 2: And I asked her one time, you know, the age 813 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 2: old question, what was the scariest thing that ever happened 814 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 2: to you? I didn't put it quite that way, but 815 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 2: I wanted her to divulge more. And she said, the 816 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 2: thing that frightened her most about living at the farm 817 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 2: was you never knew what was coming next. Yeah, there 818 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 2: was nothing predictable. The unexpected was expected, and anything could 819 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 2: happen at any time. When Missus Warren first came to 820 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 2: the house, you know those the guys Keith and Carl Johnson. 821 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 2: Keith Johnson saw out the Warrens at a seminar at 822 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 2: the University of Rhode Island in September of nineteen seventy three, 823 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 2: and he's the one that informed them of our family's predicament. 824 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 2: And then they waited until the night before Halloween in 825 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 2: seventy three to show up at our door. And when 826 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 2: my mother opened the kitchen door, she had absolutely no 827 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 2: idea who these people were. She was on Halloween the 828 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 2: night before. 829 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, she I thought they were trigger treaders. 830 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 2: Well she you know, my mother was very cordial and 831 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,720 Speaker 2: had no reason to suspect that this middle aged couple, 832 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 2: you know, posed any threat, and so she figured they 833 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,640 Speaker 2: were just lost, and so she let them in the house, 834 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 2: and they identified themselves, and missus Warren walked over to 835 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 2: our old black stove and put her hand on the 836 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,319 Speaker 2: corner of it and covered her eyes, and she said, 837 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 2: I sent a malignant presence in this house. Her name 838 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 2: is Bethsheba. Now, to her credit, she knew nothing, nothing 839 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 2: about the history of the house, so that she plucked 840 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 2: that name out of thin air speaks volumes. But then 841 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 2: she blamed her for everything that was nefarious that ever 842 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 2: happened in the house, as though she was, you know, 843 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 2: the lone culprit, and and as though the other spirits 844 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it. And it was I 845 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 2: believe that the spirit that was, you know, that just 846 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 2: ran my mother ragged clearly obviously had a broken neck. 847 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:50,280 Speaker 2: And Bathsheba died from a stroke in eighteen eighty five. 848 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:57,160 Speaker 2: So she did not hang from a tree. There was 849 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 2: no exorcism in our house. There was a seance that 850 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 2: was rather foisted upon my parents at my father's great 851 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 2: objection in August of seventy four, but I think maybe 852 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 2: the fifth time that they had come to conduct their investigation, 853 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,960 Speaker 2: and my father wanted absolutely no part of them. He 854 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 2: didn't trust them. He thought that, you know, all of 855 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 2: this was bs that that they were just going to 856 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 2: exploit our family. And he didn't understand my mother having 857 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 2: faith in them and spelling her guts about what happened 858 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 2: at the house. I mean, he was still, you know, 859 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,320 Speaker 2: trying to deal with it himself. He was just coming 860 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 2: out of complete and utter denial of it when they 861 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 2: showed up, so, needless to say, he was highly skeptical. 862 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 2: But they showed up one night with a priest and 863 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 2: a medium, and they had cinematographers and they had an 864 00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 2: audio specialist, and I mean they showed up with a 865 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 2: whole entourage, and I thought my father's head was just 866 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 2: going to blow off. He did not want them there. 867 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 2: And missus Warren said, your wife is oppressed, and if 868 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 2: we do not intervene on her behalf, then she's going 869 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,960 Speaker 2: to end up in full blown possession and you're going 870 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 2: to lose her. And you know, he just basically said 871 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,640 Speaker 2: you know, I don't believe in ghosts. And she just 872 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 2: looked at him with venom in her eyes, and she 873 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 2: said to him, if you love your wife, you'll let 874 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 2: us do this. Well, thank god she wasn't a man, 875 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 2: because had she been, he would have cold cocked her 876 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 2: and her husband ed and the priest had to remove 877 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 2: him from the room and take him into the bedroom 878 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 2: and kind of talk him off a ledge. And meanwhile 879 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 2: they took my mother and they put her at the table. 880 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 2: And all the four of the five of us of 881 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 2: the children, were home that night, and we were all 882 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 2: told to go upstairs and close our doors and be quiet. Well, 883 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, you think we stayed up there. You know, 884 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,920 Speaker 2: I came down with my sister Sindy, and we snuck 885 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 2: into the front foyer, and somebody had pushed the door 886 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,439 Speaker 2: closed to the dining room, but it was still open 887 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 2: a crack about an inch ech and a half, and 888 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 2: all the lights were turned off. Nobody could see us. 889 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:28,320 Speaker 2: And what I saw, what I saw happen not only 890 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 2: solidified my faith in God as I prayed for my 891 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,480 Speaker 2: mother's life, but it also taught me that there is pure, 892 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 2: unadulterated evil in the world. And it is with that 893 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 2: knowledge that I deliberately choose to live in the light. 894 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 2: Evil doesn't it doesn't, dare my mother. My mother was attacked, 895 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 2: and some would say possessed, and perhaps if she was, 896 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 2: technically it was for a very brief time. But my 897 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 2: mother was attacked at that table because a medium who 898 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 2: obviously didn't know what she was doing, threw open wide 899 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 2: the doors to the nether world and conjured the spirits 900 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 2: and invited everything in to an already supremely haunted house. 901 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 2: So to determine who the actual culprit was, that is 902 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 2: spiritual malpractice, and whatever it was that came into my 903 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 2: mother spoke in a language that does not exist on 904 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 2: this planet and likely never did. My mother was screaming 905 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,120 Speaker 2: and writhing in pain. Her body wadded up into a 906 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 2: ball on the seat in the chair in which she 907 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 2: was seated, I mean literally ros to the extent that 908 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 2: you would expect to hear or her bones breaking. And she 909 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 2: threw her head back and howled like a banshee, and 910 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 2: then her chair levitated, and in a fraction of a 911 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 2: second she was tossed in the chair from the middle 912 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,040 Speaker 2: of our dining room a good twenty feet away into 913 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,680 Speaker 2: the middle of our parlor, and when her head struck 914 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 2: the floor, everyone who witnessed that was quite certain that 915 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 2: they had just watched her die. 916 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 917 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 2: So you want to talk about fucking childhood trauma. There 918 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 2: it is there, It is right there. 919 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Andrea Parrin. And of course 920 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: don't forget next week. We will hear way more next week. 921 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, we get into more when the movie was made, 922 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: and we talk about a whole bunch of other stuff 923 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,880 Speaker 1: surrounding this story. And make sure you're subscribed and you 924 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,000 Speaker 1: look forward to that. 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