Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode of the Vextel Cast.
Speaker 1: Here we are and my name is Caitlin And what
Speaker 1: you're about to hear is a bit of a frankenstein
Speaker 1: of an episode about the movie Toy Story. Ever heard
Speaker 1: of it? That's right, because we recorded two different live
Speaker 1: shows about the same movie about Toy Story on our
Speaker 1: most recent East Coast tour. One was in Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: Good Good Comedy Theater and one was at the Rockwell
Speaker 1: as a part of the Women in Comedy Festival in Boston,
Speaker 1: Um with our wonderful guest speed Or Teases Sadie Dupre So,
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who came to those shows. And
Speaker 1: I think we we've got the best of both, to
Speaker 1: quote my Lord and Savior Hannah montana Um contained in
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Speaker 1: a feminist movie podcast where we examine the representation of
Speaker 1: women in movies not that good, and we use the
Speaker 1: Bechtel test as a jumping off point to initiate that conversation.
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Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires that in any piece of
Speaker 1: media there there there be pirate. Uh, there are two
Speaker 1: female identifying characters with names who speak to each other
Speaker 1: about something other than a man. Sounds like it should
Speaker 1: be easy. But but but the movie we're talking about tonight,
Speaker 1: you know. So we're super we're super psyched to be here,
Speaker 1: and I'm really really happy to bring out our guests. Yes,
Speaker 1: she is a writer, a poet. She is the guitarist,
Speaker 1: vocalist and songwriter for the rock and roll I ever
Speaker 1: heard of it? Uh the rock band Speedy Ortiz. It's
Speaker 1: Sadie Dupuis, welcome, thanks for being here. Thank you the
Speaker 1: city where dreams sometimes come half true and then you leave.
Speaker 1: That's sums it up for me too. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that about here. So we're talking about Toy
Speaker 1: Story today by rock of applause? Is anyone not seeing
Speaker 1: the movie Toy Story? Yes, one person brave bravely applauded. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: so we Yeah, no, I really I always love the
Speaker 1: noise that the person who hasn't seen the movie chooses
Speaker 1: to make because it just is very There is a
Speaker 1: cowardly way to do it, in a nod cowardly way
Speaker 1: to do it. Now you owned it. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, fuck that. So Sadie, tell us about
Speaker 1: your history, your relationship with the movie Toy Story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it in theaters. I think I'm probably the
Speaker 1: same age as the kids in Toy Story. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I'm like the target demographic for buying a Mr. Potato
Speaker 1: Head loved the Randy Newman songs, have gone to see
Speaker 1: the subsequent Toy Stories in theaters, But I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever repeat watched any of them until last night, Jamie,
Speaker 1: what about You? I've seen a million times. The first
Speaker 1: time I saw it, I don't know if I was
Speaker 1: fully forming memories yet. I feel like those are the
Speaker 1: kind of movies that funk with your head the most,
Speaker 1: Like the ones that you don't even remember seeing for
Speaker 1: the first time and then you're like, oh, I enternalize
Speaker 1: whatever funked up thing happened in that one. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love. It's not my favorite Pixar movie
Speaker 1: because I'm Monsters Incorporated, stand But I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just as attached to it as
Speaker 1: as any kid. It's it's good. What's your history with it?
Speaker 1: I guess I would have been nine when it came out,
Speaker 1: so I like, saw it right away, grew up with it,
Speaker 1: watched it quite a bit. I love Toy Story three.
Speaker 1: I've never cried harder in my life except for the
Speaker 1: beginning of Paddington one and the end of Paddington two.
Speaker 1: Story three, like in any other Disney movie putting characters
Speaker 1: in a trash compact or about to die a fiery
Speaker 1: hell death, would I mean in Toy Story if like
Speaker 1: you're so emotionally attached that it's really sad. But in
Speaker 1: any other like underthought Disney franchise, it would be kind
Speaker 1: of funny, Like if Beauty and the Beast tour in
Speaker 1: a trash compactor about to be lit on fire, I'd
Speaker 1: kind of like, maybe go for it. So yeah, should I?
Speaker 1: We just jump in with the recap. Let's do the recap? Okay?
Speaker 1: So we meet Andy. He is a young boy who
Speaker 1: loves playing with toys. He's very original. His favorite toy
Speaker 1: is Woody the Cowboy. Yeah. He And then we meet
Speaker 1: various of Andy's other toys, Slinky Rex, bo Peep, Mr
Speaker 1: Potato Head Ham Ham Ham, I like Cam. He's got
Speaker 1: all male toys except for a piece of his lamp,
Speaker 1: which I never realized watching this movie before the bow Peep,
Speaker 1: How does she? How does she detach? She would shatter
Speaker 1: right right, like those three sheep are stuck together? Why
Speaker 1: is she not on that lamp? And then yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it's like she's porcelain because like she's they can't
Speaker 1: get down from the night stands. That's a problem I
Speaker 1: always have. God relatable. And then we learned that all
Speaker 1: of these toys are alive. They are sentient. They have
Speaker 1: more complex emotions than I do. Uh, that scene is
Speaker 1: still so fun. I don't know. I like, I know, obviously,
Speaker 1: I know that the toys come to life, right, but
Speaker 1: I sort of forgot and and then the mom re
Speaker 1: shuts the door, and then Tom Hanks is like hello,
Speaker 1: Like it's well because the first scene they're getting battered
Speaker 1: around violently like lifeless toys. Yeah, and then suddenly potato
Speaker 1: heads like no more toddlers. Does that hurt them? I
Speaker 1: think it must on an emotional level at least, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, they can't bruise, but they do hurt.
Speaker 1: They have a nervous system, but they have cognition like this,
Speaker 1: how do you have a brain but not a nerve?
Speaker 1: It's fine, I just have a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: the toys. Okay. So in a week from the day
Speaker 1: that we opened the story, we learned that Andy's family
Speaker 1: is moving. But today is Andy's birthday party, which is
Speaker 1: concerning because all the toys are worried that Andy will
Speaker 1: receive gifts that are other toys that will be cooler
Speaker 1: and that will replace the existing toys. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: like that whole like line of thinking. I feel I
Speaker 1: just generated a whole generation of child hoarders, right because
Speaker 1: in theory sharing is good and like giving your toys
Speaker 1: away to someone else's in theory nice, But in this
Speaker 1: universe it makes the cowgirls sing a really sad song
Speaker 1: about you in the second movie. Yes, but the toys
Speaker 1: are sitting there. We've got these like g I Joe standings.
Speaker 1: I think they're called combat carls. Yeah, they're spying every
Speaker 1: toy that comes in on the birthday party, and the
Speaker 1: toys upstairs are like judging what comes in potato heads,
Speaker 1: Like someone brings like bed sheets or something, and he's
Speaker 1: like seven years old, who brought bed sheets to his
Speaker 1: birthday party? Yeah? That that goes on to expless. They're
Speaker 1: buzz light ear Budge, which which we do see Andy
Speaker 1: having like a new bed spread and maybe but changes
Speaker 1: his whole bed and the decor of his room a
Speaker 1: week before they move. I don't think so that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mom's just doing whatever it takes to get through that
Speaker 1: move with less crying children. Yeah. So everything seems fine
Speaker 1: at first during the birthday party, but then a surprise
Speaker 1: gift comes out. It turns out that it's a buzz
Speaker 1: Light year figure see I like my version of the twist,
Speaker 1: which is that Tom Hanks peeks over the bed and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, it's Tim Allen, a Republican,
Speaker 1: and he gets really freaked out. Politically, sure, because there
Speaker 1: is what feels like a pretty complex power structure within
Speaker 1: the toy community, like a dictator who like, no one
Speaker 1: elected Woody, He's just the leader because he's Andy's favorite toy.
Speaker 1: There should be a democratic election. What are they doing? Well?
Speaker 1: They set Woody up in the opening scenes as this
Speaker 1: gregarious boss of all the toys. He's like if Michael
Speaker 1: Scott never fucked up. But as soon as there's competition,
Speaker 1: Woody gets really sour. Yeah, and I guess the original
Speaker 1: direction of Toy story was for Woody to be like
Speaker 1: a bully villain. They had Josh Wheden like doctor the
Speaker 1: script because wood he was too mean. And yet he
Speaker 1: is still very means. He's still attempts a murder in
Speaker 1: the movie, and then probably casting Tom Hanks, they're just like,
Speaker 1: no one will notice, no one will remember the murder.
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks was still when they cast him, he was
Speaker 1: like not really quite famous yet, like Forrest Gunk came
Speaker 1: out after he'd already been cast, so he was like
Speaker 1: a relative unknown because this was like one that they
Speaker 1: cast him. Yeah, because computer here, I'm about to say
Speaker 1: something very intelligent. Computer movie take a long time. Thank
Speaker 1: you had no idea. It just comes out of me sometimes.
Speaker 1: But do you have a master's degree in screenwriting from
Speaker 1: Boston University. I don't like to bring it up. So
Speaker 1: buzz let your shows up on the scene. He's this
Speaker 1: space ranger doll and what he goes and talks to him,
Speaker 1: and buzz does not realize that he is a toy.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's like a real space ranger and then
Speaker 1: the other toys are like immediately very impressed with buzz
Speaker 1: Bo Peep's horny although that is he that's her resting face.
Speaker 1: Both people in this movie like first of all, and
Speaker 1: we'll like really get into this later. She's the only
Speaker 1: female character really that like or the one who appears
Speaker 1: on screen the longest, even though no woman in this
Speaker 1: movie has narrative impact. But the way she talks, it's
Speaker 1: like so horny that you don't really know what she's saying.
Speaker 1: She it sounds like he reminds me of Jessica Rabbit
Speaker 1: if she were drawn good right, like like a chaster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like her mouth never fully closes, you know.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I'm just a cup of it back well,
Speaker 1: which is funny because we see some of those, like
Speaker 1: toy Wooden get a really hilarious joke. Probably so all
Speaker 1: the toys are obsessed with buzz, and so is Andy,
Speaker 1: and it feels to Woody as though Andy might be
Speaker 1: replacing him with buzz. He gets worried. Then the whole
Speaker 1: movie just turns into like a toy dick measuring contest. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like I have wings that become immediately erect.
Speaker 1: What He's like, what are you? He's like fingering his
Speaker 1: little string scure, He's like, why is string not hard?
Speaker 1: He's just dangling behind me, man emasculating the Meanwhile, we
Speaker 1: meet Sid the sky boyfriend. Yes, he is the neighbor
Speaker 1: boy who tortures toys for fun. And yeah he's a maker.
Speaker 1: He started Double Team. Sid could go to Harvard on
Speaker 1: an independent study. I mean he is creative. We have
Speaker 1: to give him that. He does have a sign in
Speaker 1: his bedroom that says I heart explosives, which is concerning.
Speaker 1: It was really when I saw that, like the aesthetic
Speaker 1: of his room, like the glowy poster. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've fucked future. That guy he's got like a fake
Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson poster. It says like rocker dude or something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, so we meet Sid and then Andy's
Speaker 1: mom's like, let's go to Pizza Planet Andy, and he's
Speaker 1: like okay, and she's like, you can only bring one
Speaker 1: toy and wood. He knows that and he's going to
Speaker 1: pick Buzz. So he premeditates a crime. Okay. The way
Speaker 1: that premeditation is shown though, it's like in one shot
Speaker 1: and you just see would he look at Buzz look
Speaker 1: at a window and they go, which is I guess premeditation.
Speaker 1: But he sends the RC car flying across the window
Speaker 1: sill without its consent, making him an accessory to his crime.
Speaker 1: Not fair to the car, right, and then it is
Speaker 1: attempts to just like knock him under the bed. He
Speaker 1: accidentally knocks him out of the window and all the
Speaker 1: other toys are like, oh my god, would you you're
Speaker 1: a murderer? Right, and he's like it was an accident
Speaker 1: and we know We're like what do you are a murderer? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mr potato head like pulls out like an undercover cop badge,
Speaker 1: and it's like I've been trailing you for here. It's
Speaker 1: also like, um, I think the etch a sketch at
Speaker 1: that point sketches a noose and a sketch when other
Speaker 1: people are involved, like what he's in the beginning, there's
Speaker 1: this gag where um would he's like draw with the
Speaker 1: to sketch and etch a sketched as a pistol Um
Speaker 1: potato Head has him doing noose when Ea sketches of
Speaker 1: his own volition, he's drawing buzz fan pictures. Fan art
Speaker 1: is key, which is not good like it looks like okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Only other options are to draw weapons of death.
Speaker 1: Let Edra sketch do his buzz fan art even though
Speaker 1: it's bad. Just don't understand why he's you like he's
Speaker 1: a good Sorry to gender at don't gender I did
Speaker 1: it first, I did it. I mean all of Andy's
Speaker 1: toys are coated male, so I think it's except the
Speaker 1: troll and etch a sketch. True, So this whole accident
Speaker 1: happens or that's what like woo are He's trying to
Speaker 1: convince the toys that there was an accident. Um so
Speaker 1: now Andy has to take Woody to Pizza Planet, but
Speaker 1: Buzz like manages to hitch a ride along. They're getting
Speaker 1: a little scuffle and they get left behind, but then
Speaker 1: they make it to a piece of planet. And then
Speaker 1: before Woody and Buzz can get back to Andy did
Speaker 1: the scary neighbor boy part of the Aliens? He comes
Speaker 1: into the Little Claw and then the Aliens are there
Speaker 1: and we're like, where that's when we go? What's what
Speaker 1: I show up for? The little Alien scene? Really, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait till this is over. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so annoying. I love it there. I feel like
Speaker 1: the Aliens are like a prototype for what the Minions
Speaker 1: would later become. It like looks great on a lunchbox.
Speaker 1: They basically say the same thing, except I think that
Speaker 1: maybe like the Aliens were too christ complex e to
Speaker 1: like get their own franchise because I forgot They're like
Speaker 1: the Claw is God, I haven't chosen. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. The Minions are like Lawless, but the Minias
Speaker 1: are wild and also I love them. They're so they're cute.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do can we do Minions Month on the
Speaker 1: Patreon for my birthday. Oh, in August, I get to
Speaker 1: choose minions. August would be fun. That's horrible. Um, there's
Speaker 1: no end. They're all like dudes, all the minions. Yes,
Speaker 1: or would we even talk about we're talking about the
Speaker 1: complex male dynamics and how they're toxic. Yes. So they
Speaker 1: get captured by Sid, who takes Buzzing Woody back to
Speaker 1: his house. And there are some other toys who have
Speaker 1: been They've gotten plastic surgery, and they're like amazing because
Speaker 1: baby Spider, Baby Spider, we got roller Bob, We've got
Speaker 1: we got legs, we got wind the frog. Yes, little
Speaker 1: wine ducky. Sid is taking these toys in for surgery
Speaker 1: and Buzzes observing this, He's like, I don't believe that
Speaker 1: man ever got his medical degree. And I love you
Speaker 1: know how like um, cats think that everything is a cat,
Speaker 1: Like cats think you are a cat. I know that
Speaker 1: cats have eight nipples and that well, I can't really
Speaker 1: think that every think something like this. I can't speak
Speaker 1: to how many nipples buzz has, um if any, but
Speaker 1: I'm willing everything is like a man like he believes
Speaker 1: he's a full size man, and Sid, in his mind
Speaker 1: as a grown man, not a real doctor, but so
Speaker 1: buzz and what do you look at these toys and
Speaker 1: they think that they are cannibals because they judge, which
Speaker 1: just goes to show how intolerant would he is this
Speaker 1: entire Yeah, he's like a stand in for like white
Speaker 1: patriarchy that doesn't want to be replaced. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't recognize these toys cannibals. They're trying to escape. And
Speaker 1: then like Buzz sees a commercial for himself and this
Speaker 1: is when he realizes that he is not the Buzzlighter,
Speaker 1: He is just a toy. So he has a nervous
Speaker 1: breakdown and gets very depressed. I like the buzz Lightyear
Speaker 1: gets so upset that he is not the coolest guy
Speaker 1: in the world that he allows himself to be strapped
Speaker 1: to a rocket to be killed. That is very that's
Speaker 1: a very fragile move. His fragile man, not the coolest
Speaker 1: guy ever to fucking kill me. Now, Like it's also
Speaker 1: Sid is able to have rockets shipped to his home
Speaker 1: and he's what like ten, I don't know, he's got
Speaker 1: hearts e I mean he hearts explosives. Read when we
Speaker 1: see the buzz light your commercial, we see what we
Speaker 1: can only assume is um Sid's dad passed out with
Speaker 1: like soda cans. I mean, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like coded stuff about Sid's life that I's do in
Speaker 1: the best with what he has. He seems truly like
Speaker 1: a neglected child that is turned into a villain. Like
Speaker 1: it's just so there's so much and with sid sister
Speaker 1: as well, but we can get into that. Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so the rest of the story is
Speaker 1: Sid's planning to blow Buzz up with the rockets, so
Speaker 1: what he has to rescue him and get back over
Speaker 1: to Andy's before the family moves away. And then what
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, wait, these toys aren't cannibals. Hey, can
Speaker 1: you help me save my friend Buzz? And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess even though none of them can speak, well,
Speaker 1: they fixed They just like fixed buzzes arm. And then
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, they're nice, And then you're nice. Now
Speaker 1: let me deliver my show stopping speech about friendship exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: steals the moment. He's got a friend in me, You've
Speaker 1: got a friend in me. Let's get out of this house.
Speaker 1: They successfully save Buzz. They use the rocket to get
Speaker 1: to the moving van, they make their way back into
Speaker 1: Andy's family's car, and everything's great business business, and yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the story to story. Do you want to
Speaker 1: start talking with with things we like? Because that's a
Speaker 1: shorter list, I think in terms of like what there
Speaker 1: is to talk about with women at all? Sure, do
Speaker 1: you have anything that you like? Is it? I mean?
Speaker 1: I like the movie Don't Get Me yea. I mean
Speaker 1: it's definitely one of those movies that, like, we all like,
Speaker 1: but when you watch it with women in mind, you're
Speaker 1: just like where I mean, like the First Toy Story
Speaker 1: movie especially, and we have like some some stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about with with the other two, but the First
Speaker 1: Toy Story Movie is like known were women being almost
Speaker 1: completely absent from the story and especially like there is
Speaker 1: really no woman that has narrative impact in this whole
Speaker 1: movie except for Andy's mom, only because she has a
Speaker 1: driver's license. Like if Andy's mom did not have a
Speaker 1: driver's license, women have no agency in this story. Metcalf
Speaker 1: is moving this whole family across the country, right, I
Speaker 1: mean credit for this one person. Well, that's so that
Speaker 1: that is one of the things that I like, is
Speaker 1: like it seems like as far as we know, and
Speaker 1: like Andy and his sister are being raised by a
Speaker 1: single mom, and there's not a lot made of that,
Speaker 1: like I feel like usually in children's entertainment, especially like
Speaker 1: if there is not the you know, TV nuclear family
Speaker 1: that is pointed out to you a lot, and it's
Speaker 1: pointed out as being a problem. Um So, seeing like
Speaker 1: Andy and his terrifying Uncanny Valley little sister being raised
Speaker 1: by a single mom who was also terrifying on Kenny
Speaker 1: Valley was kind of cool because it's not, you know,
Speaker 1: like drawn attention to have like where's their dad, you know,
Speaker 1: which I think would sort of be the default for that.
Speaker 1: But I think so I was looking into this because
Speaker 1: I was also curious and I hadn't remembered that um
Speaker 1: Lori metcalf in amazing nineties floral Print. Laggings was a
Speaker 1: single mom in this movie until rewatching it. But apparently
Speaker 1: that was a financial choice rather than a narrative choice.
Speaker 1: Because Toy Stories the first like fully computer animated film.
Speaker 1: It's the first feature length for Pixar computer time. It
Speaker 1: took a long time computer exactly. Pixar hadn't worked with
Speaker 1: Disney prior to this, and the only reason it was
Speaker 1: even considered was because um Nightmare before Christmas had gone well,
Speaker 1: So they were constantly running out of money, coming with
Speaker 1: like weird pushback from Disney, like Disney wanted them to
Speaker 1: make it a musical. They were not really how in that,
Speaker 1: Thank God, and they're like, we're going to split the difference,
Speaker 1: will give you Randy Newman, final Hartfen Randy Newman plus
Speaker 1: a Kuna matata for like ten seconds. So the computer
Speaker 1: technology to build this movie was like not. They basically
Speaker 1: couldn't have done it, and they don't understand how they did.
Speaker 1: And they were under deadlines that they couldn't have reached.
Speaker 1: So they didn't have the time or money to build
Speaker 1: a second adult. So they just did the mom And
Speaker 1: if you look at Andy's birthday party, all of the
Speaker 1: other children are also Andy. They have his face. And
Speaker 1: if you look at Sid the like bully neighbor kid,
Speaker 1: he basically is Andy with a different Yeah, all the
Speaker 1: people and so they've never commented on Andy's dad because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a narrative choice designed to drive the movie.
Speaker 1: They just didn't have the money to make Dad. They're fine.
Speaker 1: Some of the best worst Internet rabbit holes to go
Speaker 1: down are Pixar Reddit theories. People have a lot of time,
Speaker 1: and there's someone he said that there's they're like, oh no.
Speaker 1: Andy's parents are definitely not divorced because weeks before the
Speaker 1: events of Toy Story one, Andy's dad died of polio. Huh,
Speaker 1: a curable disease that no one gets anymore. Well, the
Speaker 1: theory is that Andy's dad contracted polio as a child
Speaker 1: and it came back. Wasn't support this theory. His father,
Speaker 1: his only surviving possession was woody. I hate it it.
Speaker 1: I feel nothing for the pole, Like, who is his
Speaker 1: dad three hundred years old? Why can't he just have
Speaker 1: a mom? Why can't you just have a single mom?
Speaker 1: So yeah, good that the movie doesn't call attention to
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like, you know, what appears to
Speaker 1: be a single mom raising two children, or like villainizes
Speaker 1: that in any way because that's like another version of
Speaker 1: what we tend to see. But also Andy's mom, Yes,
Speaker 1: she does have narrative impact because she is she's the
Speaker 1: driver of the vehicles. And then also we almost never
Speaker 1: see her face, even like there might be one wide
Speaker 1: shot where like we see a glimpse of her face,
Speaker 1: but usually it's like either her back and that might
Speaker 1: also be an animation. Is that a Peanuts choice too?
Speaker 1: Though That's what I thought was, Like, are just irrelevant
Speaker 1: in this world in the first one, but that changes
Speaker 1: in later year. It doesn't super bother me that, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not because you only see the
Speaker 1: adults from like toy Angles in this movie. But I
Speaker 1: like triple checked this. As of the end of the
Speaker 1: third movie, we still don't know what Andy's mother's name is,
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, and we like go back
Speaker 1: and forth on this. You know, it's like, is mom
Speaker 1: a character name? In some cases yes, in other cases
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear. But if you've been in three
Speaker 1: feature length movies and have not been given the courtesy
Speaker 1: of a first name, that is violent. But how would
Speaker 1: the toys even perceive an adults name? I mean, it
Speaker 1: could be, but but it's like, you know, how would
Speaker 1: they perceive Andy's name? We were discussing, I mean, we
Speaker 1: we went down a little redd rabbit hole before we
Speaker 1: got in front of all you tonight. But um, there's
Speaker 1: a theory that Andy's mom is the original owner of
Speaker 1: the toy Jesse, in which case she does have a name.
Speaker 1: It would be Emily that bitch. Is there anything else
Speaker 1: that we like about the movie in terms of its
Speaker 1: like representation of women, I guess I like, Um, there
Speaker 1: are two moments where the main like macho toys are
Speaker 1: made to play women. For a second, so when when
Speaker 1: Woodie's like running point on the toy opening party, they
Speaker 1: call him motherbird, which I thought was very sweet. And
Speaker 1: then um, we have buzz later as Mrs Nesbit, he's
Speaker 1: he's um sidds I forget sid. Sister's name Hannah, And
Speaker 1: Hannah's only toy with a head, so she's really slight.
Speaker 1: She can put a bonnet on him, and uh so
Speaker 1: I feel like I like that they they speak to
Speaker 1: the idea that toys can have a mutable gender depending
Speaker 1: on like what the kid playing with the toy wants.
Speaker 1: Like we see all of Andy's toys as male because
Speaker 1: Andy's got daddy is shoes. I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of things to sort out. And
Speaker 1: Hannah does not care that buzz light Ear looks like
Speaker 1: a spaceman. He's a space woman in a little bonnet.
Speaker 1: The Mrs Nesbitt scene is like polarizing too. It's it's
Speaker 1: where there's like a lot of different reads of that scene.
Speaker 1: I I don't really know where to fall in it.
Speaker 1: I I do like that, like the toy just becomes
Speaker 1: the gender of the child that is playing with it.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a cool philosophy to abide by.
Speaker 1: And there was like when that when that especially just
Speaker 1: because it's when that scene came on and there was
Speaker 1: like a male coated toy that was dressed up like
Speaker 1: a woman, I was like, Oh, they're gonna make some
Speaker 1: like horrendous joke that's not going to age well, Like
Speaker 1: there's going to be like this panic e joke. This
Speaker 1: is really sick of drinking dargy linked tea. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: and so I I was like, I'm like, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a wind. But I was just relieved that they
Speaker 1: didn't take the cheap awful approach to that joke, right,
Speaker 1: I guess probably because it was rated G and they couldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, tam, it's a murder, Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think there's perhaps a lot to not admire so much
Speaker 1: about this movie when it comes to the topics that
Speaker 1: we discuss. Andy's toys, As we already said, like they're
Speaker 1: all most entirely coated as male, there voiced by actors
Speaker 1: who were men. There's like a damseling scene in the
Speaker 1: opening scene of the movie where bo Peep, like her
Speaker 1: sheep needs to be rescued by Woody and it's like
Speaker 1: and the ransom ist five bazillion dollars. So already we're
Speaker 1: just like, well, Andy's certainly not a progressive six year
Speaker 1: old because he's probably you know, watching movies where women
Speaker 1: are damseled and he's like, well, that's what women do.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like bo Peep is like the one
Speaker 1: notable female toy character who has lines at all, because
Speaker 1: there is that little like troll Doll who bikini, but
Speaker 1: troll Doll never speaks and could be you know, just
Speaker 1: because of the outfit. We don't have to do how
Speaker 1: Handy designated that troll Doll definitely, but troll Doll is
Speaker 1: just confident. I was like, hell yeah, there was so
Speaker 1: apparently in the script they wanted Barbie, they couldn't get Barbie,
Speaker 1: but tell was like toy story who they wanted Barbie,
Speaker 1: and Josh Weeden wrote this scene which I really like.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about in the end when the
Speaker 1: toys are all at at SIDS and they're escaping, and
Speaker 1: there's this like I assume we'll get into it like
Speaker 1: a horror horror scene where they scare SIDS straight to
Speaker 1: never mess with toys again. Um. Initially, the way that
Speaker 1: the toys were meant to get out of SIDS was
Speaker 1: that Barbie was going to show up and do a
Speaker 1: terminator scene and be like, come with me if you
Speaker 1: want to live, and Barbie was going to rescue everyone
Speaker 1: from SIDS. But they couldn't get rights to Barbie, so
Speaker 1: they devised yet another like weird Rube Goldberg toy situation
Speaker 1: where they horror movie stood into letting them frame. So
Speaker 1: there was gonna be Yeah, there was gonna be a
Speaker 1: like a female toy hero. Josh Weeden tried for it.
Speaker 1: Tel was like, that would have been pretty cool. I
Speaker 1: mean just like I mean, to have like female characters
Speaker 1: doing anything that acts the plot would have been nice.
Speaker 1: But bo Peep is literally there to either flirt or
Speaker 1: provide emotional support. She frets. She also frets she oh,
Speaker 1: you're right worrying The three came about I'm either fretting,
Speaker 1: flirting or providing emotional support. She's got basically no narrative impact.
Speaker 1: You can take her out of the movie, the plot
Speaker 1: remains essentially the same if you apply the sexy lamp test,
Speaker 1: which is a sexy lamp, right, So like replace her
Speaker 1: with like the hot leg lamp from her Christmas story,
Speaker 1: and the movie is the same. Yeah, she's just there
Speaker 1: to flirt with wood with Woody and like give him
Speaker 1: horny connections. She's like, oh yeah, she's like whitty, I
Speaker 1: can't get someone us to watch the Sheep tonight, like
Speaker 1: and then, right, is this movie suggesting that these toys fuck?
Speaker 1: I don't even like. But then also bo Peep seems
Speaker 1: like she's just made horny by any impressive male character,
Speaker 1: because whenever Buzz shows up and he does his like
Speaker 1: falling with style thing, she's like, I've found my moving buddy,
Speaker 1: and then it's like fanning herself and like so horny
Speaker 1: about it. So both people only exists in the story
Speaker 1: to be like Woody's girlfriend. Most of the time we
Speaker 1: see her on screen, she's doing some sort of like
Speaker 1: emotional nurturing because women be nurturing, like oh Andy loves you,
Speaker 1: and it's like they don't even give her. I I
Speaker 1: for I was like, maybe there's like one of those
Speaker 1: shitty throwaway moments that we hate. But it's something where
Speaker 1: like in like an action scene, bo Peep gets to
Speaker 1: do one thing and everyone's like, whoa, she just used
Speaker 1: that staff to stab someone in the eye or like
Speaker 1: something less violent than that. Um, But she doesn't even
Speaker 1: get like one of those corny ass girl power moments
Speaker 1: like like that. I mean that was there was just nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing for her to do. She's not even tokenized, which
Speaker 1: for a woman being tokenized, do you know your movie
Speaker 1: is a fucking up? And then both people, I mean
Speaker 1: she is. It's kind of like a weird character in
Speaker 1: this franchise in general, because she's in the second one
Speaker 1: to some extent, but it's very much sidelined because that's
Speaker 1: when Jesse the cow girl comes in, and then in
Speaker 1: the third movie she's not in it at all. It's
Speaker 1: like implied she was given away in a garage sale
Speaker 1: because they're like, we don't know how to real characters. Bye,
Speaker 1: like they have we shipped her away. We all examined
Speaker 1: the toy story four plot summaries. Yes, so she's about
Speaker 1: to be heroic, right right, Well, I've seen the trailer
Speaker 1: that I do haven't explored much beyond that though, she's
Speaker 1: like a liberated toy now and she's going to teach
Speaker 1: Woody a trigger two. I don't know about all this.
Speaker 1: There's like a like the new bo peep there. They
Speaker 1: do kind of like a number of things I think
Speaker 1: are like corny and like what dudes do when they're look, Oh,
Speaker 1: I actually don't hate women because she's wearing pants now.
Speaker 1: Like it's like she gets pants on that lamp there,
Speaker 1: she's porcelain. It is impossible, but they, I mean, they
Speaker 1: gave her a new outfit. She wears like a pant
Speaker 1: suit now. Now her like sheep stick is like a
Speaker 1: like a way I don't know what, but it, but
Speaker 1: they basically did a post me to redesign of this
Speaker 1: character to be like, no, she's actually empowered and cool
Speaker 1: and also now and she's gonna, you know, tell Woody
Speaker 1: a thing or two about a thing or two, which
Speaker 1: is cool in theory, but it almost just feels like
Speaker 1: moving from one shitty trope to like a merry suit trope,
Speaker 1: just turning her from like this feminine to like a
Speaker 1: badass hashtag girl boss who doesn't take any nonsense from anybody,
Speaker 1: And it's like we just want a character. Right, there's
Speaker 1: stuff that exists in the middle of those two things
Speaker 1: that I don't I mean, I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1: I just anytime, like male screenwriters are like resolved feminism,
Speaker 1: like she got pants that she's made, Like I I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't trust it because I want to
Speaker 1: read a quote from an article l A Times about
Speaker 1: Tory story for specifically about the peep's character. It's as
Speaker 1: she became someone as Coolie, says Coolie as the director
Speaker 1: of towards story for who can stand up for herself,
Speaker 1: has confidence and has seen a lot of things, has
Speaker 1: lived through it. She's more well rounded. We looked at
Speaker 1: different kinds of female characters, mad Max Fury Roads and
Speaker 1: Parator furiosa Ray from Star Wars. Marian from Indiana Jones
Speaker 1: is a huge one as well. And I quote, I
Speaker 1: just think he's naming women he's heard of, Like it's
Speaker 1: it just seems very defensive, like he just described something
Speaker 1: impossibly vague of like you know, she's a woman. She's
Speaker 1: done things before, she's woken up, she's fallen back asleep,
Speaker 1: she's gotten dressed, she's gotten undressed, she's washed a few times.
Speaker 1: Here's a list of three women I've heard of feminism
Speaker 1: solves it does. It feels very much like lip service.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, who do people think are the feminist
Speaker 1: characters again? Oh? Yes, these ones? And then just like
Speaker 1: said it to a reporter. I really hope that I'm
Speaker 1: wrong and that they didn't just do this like very
Speaker 1: reductive like Mary Sue character that you know makes everyone
Speaker 1: feel like towards story fixed feminism or something, but that
Speaker 1: like just strictly based on like if you look at
Speaker 1: the visual of like before after, like it seems kind
Speaker 1: of like a hollow gesture. Sorry, keep her in the
Speaker 1: same outfit. Why do I have to change my clothes
Speaker 1: to discover myself? But it's never changes damn clothes in
Speaker 1: his life, right, But I mean the way she's originally
Speaker 1: designed is that she's attached to a lamb tachoo lamp,
Speaker 1: but then in it like pink freely dress and like
Speaker 1: the character ever of these sheets, I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't hate the reason design dress and also like
Speaker 1: to I guess because female characters are just so often
Speaker 1: like hyper feminized in their look or wardrobe. I agree
Speaker 1: with that. I just like she's logistically she's porcelain, you
Speaker 1: can't change her outfit. But and and also in the redesign,
Speaker 1: they change her into a blue pants suit. So I
Speaker 1: feel like they're just they're like, oh, you didn't like
Speaker 1: pink dress about blue pants? Like it's just it just
Speaker 1: seems so lazy, and I like it's a I'm with
Speaker 1: her gesture for sure. Yeah, Like it just seems like
Speaker 1: if you have already written this character poorly, like since
Speaker 1: you've fumbled this, like you can't just put a new
Speaker 1: outfit on and be like the like there though I
Speaker 1: remember story three. What is the beau Pie Bark in
Speaker 1: Toy Story two other than being Woody's girlfriend. I think
Speaker 1: it's just that I think that she does a few
Speaker 1: more like Woody's girlfriend. But Woody has a female right now,
Speaker 1: and that's yeah. And then and then Jesse, I mean
Speaker 1: we can talk about Jesse a little bit. She's not
Speaker 1: in the first movie, but like, Jesse is awesome in
Speaker 1: Toy Story two, and she's got this like really detailed
Speaker 1: female arc with a Sarah McLoughlin song about the tragedy
Speaker 1: of being rejected by Andy's mom. By Andy's mom, it's
Speaker 1: the only like woman woman relationship characters talking to each
Speaker 1: other across space and time there spiritually, and yet Toy
Speaker 1: Story two also fails the Becktel test. But then in
Speaker 1: Toy Story three, Uh, there's like this bad storyline on
Speaker 1: a number of levels where like Buzz loses his identity
Speaker 1: again and then he becomes this like Latin lover stereotype
Speaker 1: and Jesse falls in love with him, and then she
Speaker 1: is there's already like an ongoing flirtation established between Jesse
Speaker 1: and Buzz that he does not need to be in
Speaker 1: the movie. But because it's like, oh, we have a
Speaker 1: female character, we better make her like a boy because
Speaker 1: what else, because what else is she going to do?
Speaker 1: It almost like reminds me of like a Ron and
Speaker 1: her mind E thing, where like you feel like the
Speaker 1: writers were like, yeah, they're gonna love this, but then
Speaker 1: when you see you're like someone is clearly settling like
Speaker 1: this is Can we talk a little bit about how
Speaker 1: much Woody sucks hestes terrible? Yes. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a number of ways to look at the Woody and
Speaker 1: Buzz relationship. Ultimately, you know, it's like big picture. I
Speaker 1: do like that there are two male characters who learn
Speaker 1: how to have a meaningful friendship together. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's like rare to like encourage, especially like young boys
Speaker 1: to be like no, you can be friends with other
Speaker 1: boys like and it's like a good positive thing. I
Speaker 1: I like that. But their friendship is very fucked up.
Speaker 1: It is mostly a dick measuring competition and it's all
Speaker 1: about I mean, both of those characters get pretty severely
Speaker 1: emasculated and have to recover at different points because, like
Speaker 1: Woody is emasculated by no longer being the favorite of Andy,
Speaker 1: and like he has to he lashes out from that
Speaker 1: rejection and pushes, you know, accidentally pushes Buzz out a window,
Speaker 1: and Buzz is emasculated by the fact that he is
Speaker 1: not the only Buzz light Year. But to be fair,
Speaker 1: imagine you thought you were like a hot shot space
Speaker 1: cadet and you learn you are an eight inch tall toy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, I'm not the Caitlin Durante,
Speaker 1: host of the Backtel cast, which would you let yourself
Speaker 1: be strapped to a rocket? Um life would feel pretty
Speaker 1: meaningless if I learned there were like eight million others
Speaker 1: of me made in a sweatshop, which they the toys
Speaker 1: discussed very early on. They talked about that so much.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I do kind of like how
Speaker 1: naive Buzzes. I think if they were both as antagonistic
Speaker 1: and like world weary as what he appears to be,
Speaker 1: it would be like a different movie. I mean. And
Speaker 1: and like when Buzzes character starts out and everyone's impressed
Speaker 1: by him, he's a pretty nice, gregarious character, Like he
Speaker 1: is nice. There's like that whole montage where he's friendly
Speaker 1: to everyone, is teaching people how to lift weights. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess so along the lines of wood he originally
Speaker 1: being a villain. They didn't intend for buzz to not
Speaker 1: realize he was a toy, But when they heard how
Speaker 1: Tim Allen was reading the character, they were like, he's
Speaker 1: not playing it like he's a toy. He's playing it
Speaker 1: like he's actually like buzz Aldrin. So they wrote that
Speaker 1: whole thing of him not recognizing he's a toy because
Speaker 1: Tim Allen wasn't a nuanced voice actor. He does. Tim Allen,
Speaker 1: I hate him. So if you were if you were
Speaker 1: a woman, like if you were like a woman voice
Speaker 1: actor speaking from experience, they would say you're doing a
Speaker 1: bad job because they're like, oh, mr Tim, we're so sorry.
Speaker 1: We are going to have joh Sweden write you another
Speaker 1: draft tonight because you cannot do your job, like what
Speaker 1: do he is? Uh? You know? In retrospect and antagonistic,
Speaker 1: flaccid devil many the way that Sid's family is presented,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot implied about Sid's family
Speaker 1: that is bizarre and dark and unnecessary where I mean,
Speaker 1: it's first of all a wild choice to make like
Speaker 1: an eight year old the villain of the movie. But
Speaker 1: I mean I mean when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: fully bought into it and thought I hated said I
Speaker 1: hated his adorable little bull terrier dog Skud Scud, Yeah,
Speaker 1: King's Scud like there when in retrospect, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so much about Sid's house and the way his family
Speaker 1: operates that just implies that he is maybe neglected by
Speaker 1: his parents a little bit, and that he might be
Speaker 1: poorer than Andy's family. And there's I feel like there's
Speaker 1: like a lot of weird coding going on with that
Speaker 1: family that just sort of translates to like, very young
Speaker 1: kids is like poorer kid with like less attentive parents
Speaker 1: equals bad villain forever, which is such a horrible thing
Speaker 1: to imply, like to any kids and also skull t shirt. Well,
Speaker 1: we really see how the toys are formed by who
Speaker 1: their owners are, because early on, when Buzz hasn't really
Speaker 1: had like Andy's room imprinted on him, he says said
Speaker 1: from the window from across the lawns, and he's like
Speaker 1: that happy child. He sees said, like destroying a combat
Speaker 1: carl and he's like that happy, smiling child. And like
Speaker 1: that's kind of when I rewatched it as a thirty
Speaker 1: year old and not a seven year old, I was like,
Speaker 1: he's just having a really fucking fun time with his toys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he just like it seems like he's neglected to
Speaker 1: the point where he can have rockets shipped to his room.
Speaker 1: But that's how you get that that's not his fault.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there are some things implied
Speaker 1: where like you never see either of his parents other
Speaker 1: than a sleep, other than a sleep surrounded by cans.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot implied about his family. When Buzz
Speaker 1: sees the commercial for Buzz Lightyear, we know it is morning,
Speaker 1: but Buzz walks into a dark room where a TV
Speaker 1: is on and there are cans everywhere and someone is
Speaker 1: asleep on a recliner. I think it is implied that
Speaker 1: Sid has an alcohol like dad and that that is
Speaker 1: like it's just like the weird implicate like class and
Speaker 1: family implications of that character who is just outright the
Speaker 1: villain of the story. Like there's no sympathy, empathy anything
Speaker 1: presented for Sid, who Like, if you saw a nine
Speaker 1: year old kid who was acting out like that in
Speaker 1: real life, you would be like, this kid probably needs
Speaker 1: some guidance so or like as I call it, or
Speaker 1: like someone to talk to. But um, in this they're like, no,
Speaker 1: he just needs to be harassed by Tom Hanks. That'll
Speaker 1: show him like he truly didn't seem like I don't
Speaker 1: know why I am like standing for sins so bad,
Speaker 1: but like he seems like a little goth boy who
Speaker 1: like needs to be put on the right track. And
Speaker 1: I just I don't like how they present that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a product of his upbringing, and they imply
Speaker 1: that because his upbringing is like coded as being like
Speaker 1: lower income, that that's what and that's his faults. Is
Speaker 1: that that that they're like, he's just a bad kid.
Speaker 1: You know what bad kids are like, you know what
Speaker 1: they act like, But like that and it happens in
Speaker 1: a vacuum and then they present. Andy is like, and
Speaker 1: this is a good kid because like his mom pays
Speaker 1: attention to him, and his sister looks scary, and his
Speaker 1: lawn is more manicured than sids is. I mean, if
Speaker 1: we're if we're putting like pound for pound, Sid is
Speaker 1: more interesting than Andy. He's doing laps around Andy. What
Speaker 1: does it? What was Andy do? Does sexist act outs
Speaker 1: with his toys? Sid's doing full on like surgery medical procedures.
Speaker 1: He's an aspiring surgeon and just needs needs a mentor
Speaker 1: to be like Sid, you these are very scary, but
Speaker 1: there's a practical application of this interest. And he's just
Speaker 1: a kid who is like fucking around with his toys.
Speaker 1: Like that's every kid. I mean, he's just I had
Speaker 1: a couple. I had a couple baby dollar As a child,
Speaker 1: there was a baby doll that, um, it would like
Speaker 1: crawl a little bit and then cry, and then crawl
Speaker 1: a little bit more and cry. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone had this baby doll, but it was very annoying
Speaker 1: and that the crying sounds were awful. So I ripped
Speaker 1: its head off and threw it over my balcony, like
Speaker 1: that's not all I played with barbies. Did you cut hair?
Speaker 1: I cut their hair off? I wasn't. I wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to cut hair. Oh man, I cut I would. I
Speaker 1: had some barbies that I was like, I want you
Speaker 1: to keep your hair, but other ones I shaved their heads.
Speaker 1: And the older I got, the more the older I
Speaker 1: got in like, the less I was like into playing
Speaker 1: with toys, I was like, well, I might as well
Speaker 1: just ruin these. I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: So I cut all their hair off and then I
Speaker 1: would paint them with nail polish. So I sort of
Speaker 1: related to sit in that way. But it is like
Speaker 1: he's just treating toys like a kid would treat it
Speaker 1: is really creative with them and creates like mutants that
Speaker 1: are toys are the best toys in the whole show.
Speaker 1: I want baby Spider Guy and legs, and it does love.
Speaker 1: It provide an opportunity for what I think is an
Speaker 1: important lesson where it's like, I don't know, don't judge
Speaker 1: things or people by how they look. Because they're like,
Speaker 1: oh they're they look different from the norm, they must
Speaker 1: be cannibals. And then which is a wild assumption to
Speaker 1: begin with but yeah, it's like judging the other in
Speaker 1: any way. But even then, like that that lesson, like
Speaker 1: you almost get all the way there, But Sadie, you
Speaker 1: were saying this earlier, like sids toys help fix Buzz
Speaker 1: without being asked. They're very nice, even though they've been
Speaker 1: treated badly by mostly Woody. Buzz hasn't been like outwardly
Speaker 1: means thought they were cannibals. But they help him anyways.
Speaker 1: And then what he's like, Oh, you're nice, can you
Speaker 1: help us do this thing? And then they help do
Speaker 1: the thing in the in the big horror scene where
Speaker 1: you know, like Sid finds out the toys are real,
Speaker 1: He's the only kid in the fucking world that knows that.
Speaker 1: I Actually, my hot take here is that Sid is
Speaker 1: the only one who's really deserving of knowing that the
Speaker 1: toys are alive, because all through the movie, like there's
Speaker 1: a there's a semi truck that almost runs over Woody
Speaker 1: because he's so committed to playing the role of like
Speaker 1: toys not being alive, he lies down in front of
Speaker 1: the wheel. Is hat he even gets run over a
Speaker 1: little bit, But he'll break that like toy code of
Speaker 1: silence to teach Si a lesson he does like an
Speaker 1: exorcist headspin. Yeah, Sid deserved that. That was cool. I
Speaker 1: love that Sid has to go through life with the
Speaker 1: sinister knowledge. But anyway, but like the toys help Woody
Speaker 1: and Buzz who have been cruel and judgmental towards them,
Speaker 1: and then instead of end of them getting some sort
Speaker 1: of redemptive arc, instead what he just goes thanks guys
Speaker 1: by and then they charge into the climax of the
Speaker 1: movie and like it and they like hanging out there.
Speaker 1: I hope so and being played with in an engaging
Speaker 1: way all of those toys. But really, team said, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's fault. I think it's like
Speaker 1: Woody and Buzz in the way they treat these toys
Speaker 1: who are different from them and then rely on them
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of ship for them, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, thanks to you, and then just like DIP,
Speaker 1: I guess the idea is that like they helped liberate
Speaker 1: the toys from like Sid's will never hurt them again
Speaker 1: because that he was afraid of his sister's little right,
Speaker 1: another character that I thought didn't get enough or like
Speaker 1: started it in a cool place and then was kind
Speaker 1: of like poorly written into oblivion. Was Sid's little sister Hannah.
Speaker 1: I really liked her when she first I forgot she
Speaker 1: was in the movie, which never as well for the
Speaker 1: impact that she would have. But like in the first thing,
Speaker 1: she's she's like seen challenging Sid right away. She's like
Speaker 1: get away, you know, like they're doing like a younger
Speaker 1: sibling older sibling thing. And it seems like creeps me
Speaker 1: out from the beginning. I like her. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not saying I don't like that, like, but like Sid
Speaker 1: is like terror like I mean, he terrorizes his younger sister.
Speaker 1: He literally says that line when Hannah like runs off
Speaker 1: to tell her mom that said did something. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: it's like, don't believe her, don't believe she's lying. Damn nutshell. Uh,
Speaker 1: But I liked that, Like, you know, Hannah was like
Speaker 1: pushing back. She's the only person we see push back against,
Speaker 1: said do Andy and said even know each other? We
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, Hannah pushes back. And then
Speaker 1: I have a fight club theory about Andy and said,
Speaker 1: oh damn, I think they're the same. I mean they
Speaker 1: are literally the same character, the same mold, but then
Speaker 1: we see like Hannah is then when we see her
Speaker 1: again later. The only other thing we really see her
Speaker 1: in is like when she like goes to like the
Speaker 1: most stereotypical girl bedroom of all time, where it's like
Speaker 1: it's pink, pink, pink. She's having a tea party with
Speaker 1: heads with her two beheaded dogs and her sister. She
Speaker 1: she starts out as like this kind of cool character
Speaker 1: and then they kind of just throw her into I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I would argue it's better than bo Peep, who
Speaker 1: just like starts lame and remains that way. But like Hannah,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're given this cool little nugget of like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like argumentative and she's like gonna funk with her brother.
Speaker 1: There's versions of it where I can see her participating
Speaker 1: in the plot and like helping William Buzz. She like
Speaker 1: takes a liking to Buzz. She like turns him into
Speaker 1: Mrs Nesbit like, but she's just kind of written out
Speaker 1: instead of like there's like this whole third act that
Speaker 1: takes place in her house, but she's only she's like
Speaker 1: relegated to like a tea party scene. And I just
Speaker 1: don't know, I just so so after the toys. It's
Speaker 1: called like the wine the Frog scene because Woody orchestrates
Speaker 1: this whole thing in the scene in which they would
Speaker 1: have had Barbie rescue all of them, which I think
Speaker 1: would have been cool. Instead, all the toys do this
Speaker 1: like horror movie reenactment for Sid, so that he's now
Speaker 1: terrified of his toys and wood He is like, there's
Speaker 1: a snake in my boot. Don't ever torture your toys again,
Speaker 1: and he runs screaming into the house, at which point
Speaker 1: Hannah's waving her doll in front of him, and Sid
Speaker 1: is horrified because now he knows the toys are alive
Speaker 1: and coming to get him. Yeah, so she's got a
Speaker 1: little agency there. She's got. She definitely does. I just
Speaker 1: like wish that she had been used more, because again
Speaker 1: it's like, as much as I like that character, you
Speaker 1: can remove her from the entire movie and like, how
Speaker 1: much actually changes not not. I think what makes a
Speaker 1: little more sense for the movie is just too like
Speaker 1: the core group of toys that we meet, introduce some
Speaker 1: other female coded toys into the group and give them
Speaker 1: just more of an active role in the story. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of toys that could have
Speaker 1: gone either way, like Rex didn't. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say Wash should leave any movie, but Rex didn't
Speaker 1: have to be male. Ham didn't have to be male, right, Really,
Speaker 1: most of Andy's toys, like there could have been like
Speaker 1: gender parody with Andy's toys and it wouldn't have changed anything.
Speaker 1: So really the movies a critique on Andy's just dumb imagination.
Speaker 1: I yeah, Andy is an unoriginal chod and but I
Speaker 1: mean it's if you look at the Hannah character, where
Speaker 1: you know, she's got a pink room and she has
Speaker 1: dolls and they do tea parties, and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with being interested in feminine toys, but just that that
Speaker 1: is such an egregious default for a young girl that
Speaker 1: just is not really challenged or explored. And then you've
Speaker 1: got Andy, who has all male toys. He does very
Speaker 1: misguided act outs with them. There's a whole quick conversation
Speaker 1: that we can have about just the toy industry and
Speaker 1: how toys are you know, very specifically gendered and marketed,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know how that ruins children basically, um,
Speaker 1: But lots of studies haven't done on like the way
Speaker 1: children play and the toys they play with and how
Speaker 1: that affects how a child's brain develops. Um because these
Speaker 1: all these things I'll have a very profound impact on children.
Speaker 1: Play is a large part of what gets a child
Speaker 1: to like understand the world that they're in and what
Speaker 1: their role is in that developing. And yes, so they've
Speaker 1: just found a bunch of stuff that playing with toys
Speaker 1: can help develop skills and influences a child's future, like
Speaker 1: what career they might go into. Right, So, researched by
Speaker 1: the Institution for Engineering and Technology found the toys with
Speaker 1: a STEM focus where three times more likely to be
Speaker 1: targeted at boys than girls. I wonder if that has
Speaker 1: anything to do with how women are underrepresented instead it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, and then the same thing with sports too.
Speaker 1: I've just like, that's not something that is marketed to
Speaker 1: girls when they're very young, and every kid is an idiot,
Speaker 1: that's the law, and what is presented to them is
Speaker 1: what they'll think, like, oh, that's what I'm able to do,
Speaker 1: so let me do that. And then there's also so
Speaker 1: many I mean, this isn't in this movie, but like
Speaker 1: with the Mrs potato Head, there's so many versions of
Speaker 1: toys originally made for boys that they'll just slap a
Speaker 1: bow on and be like ever girls now or like
Speaker 1: legos are one of the few things that are for everyone.
Speaker 1: But even when legos were first marketed at girls, they
Speaker 1: were like ink and pastel and they looked different because
Speaker 1: they're like, well, girls won't pick up solid colors. Women
Speaker 1: hate primary colors. They can't see them. Legos are invisible
Speaker 1: to them. We have to fem it up like there.
Speaker 1: And I do want the girl legos, however, because and
Speaker 1: that is like such a gender like neutral concept that
Speaker 1: they still managed to gender like through color and through marketing.
Speaker 1: There's so much I mean, I had. I did a
Speaker 1: brief stint as a toy reporter, which sounds like a lie,
Speaker 1: but it is true because one must have many stupid jobs. Um.
Speaker 1: And the time I was reporting at was when they
Speaker 1: were releasing barbies with different body types, and there was
Speaker 1: so much written at that time of the way that
Speaker 1: children were reacting to them. And it is it like
Speaker 1: the thing that I took away from research again and
Speaker 1: then and then writing about it is kids form ideas
Speaker 1: on how toys and then by extension, what the world
Speaker 1: should look like. So much younger than you would think,
Speaker 1: because there were barbies with different body types given to
Speaker 1: a group of four year olds and already, like there
Speaker 1: were kids who didn't mean any harm, but we're saying,
Speaker 1: like this isn't right. Why would I want this? This
Speaker 1: isn't what I want. And so it's just like the
Speaker 1: not challenging anything is such an insidious thing to do
Speaker 1: because your kid can be you know, like you can
Speaker 1: do your best and your kid can still be skull
Speaker 1: fucked by the time they're four years old, just based
Speaker 1: on what is around and what is available to them,
Speaker 1: which is always with some exceptions. Now and I hope
Speaker 1: that you know, like kids that had barbies with different
Speaker 1: body types before they were four years old will you know,
Speaker 1: be less conditioned to feel that way. But but it
Speaker 1: is like some something that hits with you so young
Speaker 1: that like there needs to be priority to uh, like
Speaker 1: representing a wider variety of of dolls of body types.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about dolls specifically, but like making them less
Speaker 1: gendered and less you know bullshit, um is like super
Speaker 1: important from the second you are yikes. Well, because toys
Speaker 1: are so often exaggeratedly gendered, like yeah, toys marketed to
Speaker 1: boys are like army men, g I do like fucking monster,
Speaker 1: like very hyper hyper masculine stuff. And then like toys
Speaker 1: marketed to girls are like pretty pretty princess and easy
Speaker 1: bag oven and like very the most exaggerated versions of
Speaker 1: masculinity and femininity. And when that's what you're giving children
Speaker 1: to play with who have like mushy play do brains
Speaker 1: who like don't understand the world yet like playto toys
Speaker 1: a gender neutral toy that you can lump, you can
Speaker 1: make at home. My mom used to make anyone on
Speaker 1: my stovetop all the time. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: ingredients are. Eat it? You can? I have eaten it?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean it is. It's like such an
Speaker 1: important and I hope that, like in Toy Story four,
Speaker 1: like a full twenty four years after their first movie
Speaker 1: came out, that that will be something that is more included,
Speaker 1: because like movies like this are so merchandizing based like
Speaker 1: how many actual buzz light years have you and like
Speaker 1: how many squeaky aliens have you seen? Like these movies
Speaker 1: are literally designed to sell merchandise because capitalism. I had
Speaker 1: Woody and buzz toys. It's a genius move. To make
Speaker 1: a movie about toys and then you can sell those
Speaker 1: toys like it's it's a very like normal thing to do.
Speaker 1: But if you write, if you take priority to write
Speaker 1: in characters that are more inclusive and less just like
Speaker 1: this is a toy for boys, this is a toy
Speaker 1: for girls. A k. We're not making toys of it
Speaker 1: because that is how the toy industry works. Is like,
Speaker 1: there's even with like the Avengers, it took nine million
Speaker 1: years for them to make a black widow action figure
Speaker 1: and and to include her in marketing. It's just the
Speaker 1: same thing with the Star Wars. Whenever the new trilogy
Speaker 1: started coming out, they didn't have Ray toys with all
Speaker 1: the other ones, even though Ray is the main character.
Speaker 1: Another thing is that UM toys across the whole gender
Speaker 1: spectrum mostly seemed to be representing white people or they're
Speaker 1: they're so like dolls, action figures, everything are mostly white,
Speaker 1: and toy story reflects that. Yeah, sure does. Another way
Speaker 1: in which franchise about toys could challenge in the toy
Speaker 1: industry but instead just profits off of it. It's just
Speaker 1: it is weird, how like, you know, not surprising, but
Speaker 1: just how backwards the toy industry in particular still is.
Speaker 1: And but but if you're you know, in a place
Speaker 1: where you are helping to write a toy story movie,
Speaker 1: you can include something that you know will become a
Speaker 1: toy that kids can have. And that's like a cool
Speaker 1: power to use, not like a fucking loser. Well guess
Speaker 1: who was behind this movie? Um, because that might have
Speaker 1: something to do with ye. Also, Um, so we've got
Speaker 1: written by credits from Josh Weeden, Andrews Stanton, Joel Cohen,
Speaker 1: Alex So I don't know a man though, um, and
Speaker 1: then I don't know a man the almost the full
Speaker 1: production list of every movie. Uh, and then story by
Speaker 1: credits from John Lasseter, Pete Doctor and Joe Ramped. So
Speaker 1: it's a lot of men. Um, Yeah I believe it
Speaker 1: or not? Yeah, I mean, well this is this was
Speaker 1: the first Pixar full movie and there if you're into
Speaker 1: Pixar lord, which I'm not, thank god. Um, but I
Speaker 1: I've I've I did my homework. There is like all
Speaker 1: this before John Lasseter was canceled and they were still
Speaker 1: allowed to let him wear his hideous shirts in public.
Speaker 1: He told the same story a million times about how
Speaker 1: he and I believe it was three other men who
Speaker 1: were involved in the you know, the ground floor of Pixar,
Speaker 1: came up with all these story ideas, all of which
Speaker 1: became very famous Pixar movies. I think that went from
Speaker 1: toy story all the way up to Wally, Like they
Speaker 1: came up with thirteen. They just went to fucking brunch
Speaker 1: and they planned out thirteen years worth of movies. And
Speaker 1: it is extremely telling that that is the specific like
Speaker 1: amount of Pixar history that was written by three or sorry,
Speaker 1: three to four eight white guys, because in that entire
Speaker 1: era of Pixar, that's all the movies are about. That's
Speaker 1: literally like you don't get a lead female Pixar character
Speaker 1: until two thousand twelve with Brave, Like that's the first time.
Speaker 1: Um and up until then, like there are female characters,
Speaker 1: but they're never the driving force of the movie until
Speaker 1: after all those guys ran out of ideas. Um is
Speaker 1: Coco the first Pixar movie that's led by a person
Speaker 1: of color, Like it's just it takes I think that
Speaker 1: that's true, Like it just takes ridiculously long for anyone,
Speaker 1: And that is not like the standard that are the
Speaker 1: people who get to write movies to be included in
Speaker 1: this universe because they're not included like behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: It is eleven pm on a school nice, so we
Speaker 1: should wrap up here. Yeah. Does anyone else have any
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie? They wanted to call Bugs
Speaker 1: Life Bug Story? Oh, I think that would have worked okay,
Speaker 1: and then like a Toys like works out Wally Life Story,
Speaker 1: Monsters Story, Monsters University Story. Should we take some audience
Speaker 1: questions comments before or anyone do we miss anything? Or
Speaker 1: your here? We're gonna we want you to come up
Speaker 1: to the mike so it can get on the recording.
Speaker 1: So so come on, form a cue, come on down.
Speaker 1: Oh that's perfect. Hi. What's your name? My name is Natalie. Hi.
Speaker 1: My question is do we think that animation and as
Speaker 1: an extension c G I sort of softens or like
Speaker 1: makes misogyny more cute, sort of like makes it easier
Speaker 1: for maybe children and like all of us to digest.
Speaker 1: That's my question. I think that children's entertainment in general
Speaker 1: makes misogyny cuter. I don't know if it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it is probably easier to do when it's
Speaker 1: an animated character, but I mean there's very little like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, well, live all live action children's
Speaker 1: entertainment is intersectional, and like I think that you could
Speaker 1: pull any episode of Drake and Josh and see some
Speaker 1: cutie pie misogyny, and I think, yeah, there's just like
Speaker 1: all children and teen entertainment really couch it, and just
Speaker 1: like especially when it's like making characters that you like
Speaker 1: dismissive of women and not including them in any way
Speaker 1: the way that like what he does. But I think
Speaker 1: a lot of live action characters too. Sure, I definitely
Speaker 1: think that car making cartoon anything. I mean, especially if
Speaker 1: you're talking like cartoon violence, that definitely makes it easier
Speaker 1: to to go down than pushing a real wolf off
Speaker 1: a real cliff. True about your question, thank you, thank you. Hi.
Speaker 1: What's her name? Hi, Emily Hi. Um. With regards to
Speaker 1: the moral framework of a toy society, Um, do you
Speaker 1: think that they got their sort of treatment of women
Speaker 1: like they treat bo peep from watching their human creators?
Speaker 1: Are they born with they created by them, or is
Speaker 1: there like some sort of in their toy society? Like well,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Well, I mean, if we're judging
Speaker 1: off of if the toys are learning about gender roles
Speaker 1: from Andy. That makes a lot of sense because maybe
Speaker 1: we are like, oh, Wood, he's an adult man, but
Speaker 1: we don't know that. So maybe Wood he has just
Speaker 1: only seen his owner like treat women dismissively and damseled
Speaker 1: and just has this very narrow conception of the world.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Andy is only that way because
Speaker 1: of the toys that are marketed to him. So the
Speaker 1: snake eating its own tail, I don't know. I like that,
Speaker 1: like blew my mind. I was just wondering if it
Speaker 1: was innate, because like I haven't seen the movie in
Speaker 1: a while, but you know, when Buzzes first brought to them,
Speaker 1: he's like a new toy. And I don't remember how
Speaker 1: he acted around bo Peep, but it was he already
Speaker 1: like he was kind of a clean slate towards everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, even based on that, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think he doesn't respond to her any differently. In fact,
Speaker 1: he does. He does his whole like flying around the
Speaker 1: room saying and then Mr potato Head says like, oh,
Speaker 1: I bet the dolls totally go for you, and Buzzes like,
Speaker 1: where is fucking Zorg who I'm trying to kill? So
Speaker 1: like he doesn't. I don't think he like noticed as women,
Speaker 1: which is also a problem to not notice women. But
Speaker 1: I mean, there's really not many women around to notice. There.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm down for the nurture argument there. Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, thank you guys. It's eleven eleven.
Speaker 1: We'll make a wish you gotta. Hi. So there's some
Speaker 1: really great and thought provoking questions. I don't have one
Speaker 1: of those. So when you cut the hair off of
Speaker 1: the barbies, were they more in charge? Yes? Oh good questions?
Speaker 1: Did they take over? They did? Yeah, the loft of
Speaker 1: rule is upheld yet again. Yes, that was not provoking.
Speaker 1: That was yeah. That don't sell yourself short my mind. Hi. Hi.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that both buzz and would He
Speaker 1: their character arc focuses on them learning to deal with
Speaker 1: the fact that they're losing something that they didn't earn.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's fair to say that both
Speaker 1: of them have two different sort of challenges of male entitlements? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think that. I mean, well, basically,
Speaker 1: wood He is the in cell and Buzzes the chad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, finally in terms I can understand
Speaker 1: in cell talk. Yes, I would. I mean Wood, he
Speaker 1: is such an entitled character where when his like dominance
Speaker 1: in this funked up society has challenged, he tries to
Speaker 1: kill someone He's like Stalin, like he's scary, and then
Speaker 1: buzz I mean, I don't know. I guess the Buzzes
Speaker 1: Buzzes deal is that he is very threatened and like
Speaker 1: his masculinity is challenged by that he is not the
Speaker 1: one and only buzz light Year and that he is
Speaker 1: a part like he's he's a part of something larger
Speaker 1: than himself and that upsets him. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: Chad insult thing. Really does that? Does that? What do
Speaker 1: you think, Caitlyn? Yeah? No, I agree the end? Damn,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I got you to agree with me. Wow.
Speaker 1: Uh does this movie pass the back tell test gang? No? Not? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's there's a moment. Yeah, there's a moment in Sid's
Speaker 1: house whenever, um, Hannah, Sid's sister, and then Sid Sid's mother,
Speaker 1: Mom we do not see on screen, right, and we're
Speaker 1: in the constant battle of like, is Mom a character
Speaker 1: name because it's sort of treated the same as the
Speaker 1: way Dad is. We don't know. In this case, I'm
Speaker 1: inclined to not cut them a break. But what is
Speaker 1: the what is the exchange? So Hannah says, mom, have
Speaker 1: you seen my sally Doll? The mom from off screen says,
Speaker 1: what was that? Dear said, dear, pop Dart is ready,
Speaker 1: and then Hannah says, never mind because she has just
Speaker 1: found buzz ak Mrs nets Bit. Um. So I would say,
Speaker 1: because we don't even see the mom on screen, and
Speaker 1: that's like one of two lines she has, the other
Speaker 1: one being popped heart related, I would I don't really
Speaker 1: want to give that a pass, but it is it
Speaker 1: is about a Sally Doll, and it's not about But
Speaker 1: then Hannah says never mind because she sees a male toy,
Speaker 1: so she decides as Mrs Nesbit that's true, So that
Speaker 1: I mean, but buzz still identifies as male as far
Speaker 1: as we can tell, even when he is dressed as
Speaker 1: Mrs Nesbit. Yes, doesn't pass. A second one doesn't pass either,
Speaker 1: but in the fourth one they put pants on her,
Speaker 1: so problems so we'll see. Oh boy. Should we rate
Speaker 1: the movie on a nipple scale nipples based on its
Speaker 1: portrayal of women, It's like between a zero and a
Speaker 1: half nipple. I think I'm gonna go with a half
Speaker 1: just because the movie isn't outwardly hateful toward women, because
Speaker 1: I feel like the movies that we give like a
Speaker 1: zero too uh contempt contemptuous of women. This movie just
Speaker 1: ignores and or erases women's existence. So that's actually okay.
Speaker 1: I like that so far. So yeah, I'll give it.
Speaker 1: I'll bump it up to a half nipple because of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this movie, there was no reason why there
Speaker 1: could not be more, you know, female coded toys. There
Speaker 1: was no reason the different of the other female characters
Speaker 1: who are introduced and exist in the story already couldn't
Speaker 1: have a more significant narrative impact. The toys are all white, yeah,
Speaker 1: as most toys are in real life, which is another
Speaker 1: extremely fucked up thing. I'll give my half nipple. I
Speaker 1: guess to Sid's mom, who's just trying her best with
Speaker 1: what she's got, and she there is a fan theory
Speaker 1: where she and Andy's dad alone. Yes, oh, I think
Speaker 1: if that Sid might actually be the child of Andy's dad,
Speaker 1: well that's why they couldn't afford a second child. Well. Also,
Speaker 1: I mean, between Sid and Andy looking pretty much the same,
Speaker 1: there's some shared DNA there. There's one woman who is
Speaker 1: a producer on this movie. I'm forgetting her name. She
Speaker 1: has a theory that both sit In and R John
Speaker 1: Lasseter his his inner children. I don't I hate it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a half nip as well. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's a bummer, I because I do, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is like a classic case of a
Speaker 1: movie that no one dislikes. Really, like everyone has a
Speaker 1: soft spot for this movie. I still, I still really
Speaker 1: love it. I'm going to see a new one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry when instructed. I'm a I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: I'll do what I'm told. But I mean, upon further,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this movie is just very
Speaker 1: thoroughly an unchallenging product of its time, where it's we're
Speaker 1: presented with like an upper middle class white family that
Speaker 1: challenges nothing, um and has contempt for anyone poorer than
Speaker 1: them and thinks they're villains. Um. So you know, I
Speaker 1: just like it's just it doesn't really challenge anything, but
Speaker 1: but it I just think it's like kind of doofy
Speaker 1: and dumb, Like I don't think it's out to really
Speaker 1: get anyone, but it's just there. It's clear that no
Speaker 1: one involved in the production, or there are very few
Speaker 1: people involved in the production that had a different perspective,
Speaker 1: or or you know, very simple things could have been
Speaker 1: switched to make it a more inclusive and fun movie
Speaker 1: to watch. So I'll give it a half nippy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it to Hannah because god damn it, I
Speaker 1: think that there there was more for her to do.
Speaker 1: Justice for Hannah. Also, there's a flash forward scene and
Speaker 1: Toy Story three where Sid is like a very cheerful
Speaker 1: garbage man. Make of that what you will. There's another
Speaker 1: fan theory for that though. There so Sid is the
Speaker 1: only one who knows that toys can talk, and this
Speaker 1: haunts him into adulthood. But then he develops an altruistic
Speaker 1: side that uh that wants to rescue toys from He
Speaker 1: wants to save them from the trash and that's why
Speaker 1: he's the trash man. What I think is that John
Speaker 1: Lasseter hates poor people. Yeah, I'm going to a second
Speaker 1: Both of these I'm giving a similar rating, and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm at like a point seven apple WHOA, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just again, I don't think it's meant to be hurtful.
Speaker 1: But so many times when people are excluded, you know,
Speaker 1: no one's trying to be hurtful, they just have very
Speaker 1: limited world views. Um, I'm gonna give it to Mrs Nest,
Speaker 1: but very good an icon. Yes, I wish he had
Speaker 1: a spin off with Rex. I think Rex is the
Speaker 1: best character in the movie anyway. Uh, definitely the most
Speaker 1: emotionally complex. He feels it so much. He feels sad
Speaker 1: that he has guilt. He turns against Woody. Very relatable,
Speaker 1: full of regret and guilt for for nothing. It really
Speaker 1: is the most close analog for a woman's experience. There's
Speaker 1: no reason that couldn't have been if we were going
Speaker 1: to make a woman toy. I mean is constantly park
Speaker 1: where all the dinosaurs are Fabale's Oh my god, can
Speaker 1: I give you one more factor? Click to close the switch.
Speaker 1: Josh Whedon saw Jurassic Park in the middle of making
Speaker 1: Toy Story, and that's why Rex is there at all.
Speaker 1: And I assume that's why Scud the dog like pops
Speaker 1: his nose out from around a door. It's got to
Speaker 1: be the raptors. It is a direct Drassic Park reference
Speaker 1: and Toy Story two when they're riding through a toy
Speaker 1: store and Rex is like coming up behind them in
Speaker 1: the mirror of the side view mirror. It's it's wonderful. Um. Anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm bored of these. Yes, you know, Drassic Park is cool. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that's our show. So thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: Give it up for Sadie, Yes, give it up for
Speaker 1: the Women in Comedy Festival, for the Rockwell, thanks for
Speaker 1: coming up a good night bye. Okay, that was Toys
Speaker 1: Story live in both Philadelphia and Boston. Wow magic. Uh.
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