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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode of the Vextel Cast.

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Speaker 1: Here we are and my name is Caitlin And what

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Speaker 1: you're about to hear is a bit of a frankenstein

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Speaker 1: of an episode about the movie Toy Story. Ever heard

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Speaker 1: of it? That's right, because we recorded two different live

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Speaker 1: shows about the same movie about Toy Story on our

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Speaker 1: most recent East Coast tour. One was in Philadelphia at

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Speaker 1: Good Good Comedy Theater and one was at the Rockwell

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Speaker 1: as a part of the Women in Comedy Festival in Boston,

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Speaker 1: Um with our wonderful guest speed Or Teases Sadie Dupre So,

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Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who came to those shows. And

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Speaker 1: I think we we've got the best of both, to

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Speaker 1: quote my Lord and Savior Hannah montana Um contained in

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Speaker 1: today's episode. Yes, so enjoy that. But before we get

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Speaker 1: Hot plug. Speaking of live shows, we've got another one

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Speaker 1: right here in sunny Los Angeles. Yes, we are going

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Speaker 1: to be covering one of my favorite movies, Anastasia eight

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Speaker 1: h with Anna Sara Gina at the Ruby on July

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Speaker 1: And it's your birthday show, It's my birthday show, and

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Speaker 1: several months. So if you've been thinking about coming to

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you We're gonna be in uh Europe for

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Speaker 1: anyone there. Uh. And that's what like first of August

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Speaker 1: There'll only be to London shows and then I'll be

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Speaker 1: joining up with Jamie in Edinburgh towards the end of August.

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Speaker 1: at our live Toy Story episode Wow Wow we take

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Speaker 1: What the fuck? Guys? Who as us? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we're back at the Women Comedy Festival. Yes we are.

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test as a jumping off point to initiate that conversation.

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Speaker 1: And the Bechtel test is the media test invented by

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Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires that in any piece of

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Speaker 1: Sadie Dupuis, welcome, thanks for being here. Thank you the

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Speaker 1: city where dreams sometimes come half true and then you leave.

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Speaker 1: That's sums it up for me too. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love that about here. So we're talking about Toy

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Speaker 1: the movie Toy Story? Yes, one person brave bravely applauded. Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, fuck that. So Sadie, tell us about

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Speaker 1: like weird pushback from Disney, like Disney wanted them to

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Speaker 1: make it a musical. They were not really how in that,

425
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: Thank God, and they're like, we're going to split the difference,

426
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: will give you Randy Newman, final Hartfen Randy Newman plus

427
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: a Kuna matata for like ten seconds. So the computer

428
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: technology to build this movie was like not. They basically

429
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: couldn't have done it, and they don't understand how they did.

430
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: And they were under deadlines that they couldn't have reached.

431
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: So they didn't have the time or money to build

432
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: a second adult. So they just did the mom And

433
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: if you look at Andy's birthday party, all of the

434
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: other children are also Andy. They have his face. And

435
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: if you look at Sid the like bully neighbor kid,

436
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: he basically is Andy with a different Yeah, all the

437
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: people and so they've never commented on Andy's dad because

438
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a narrative choice designed to drive the movie.

439
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: They just didn't have the money to make Dad. They're fine.

440
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: Some of the best worst Internet rabbit holes to go

441
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: down are Pixar Reddit theories. People have a lot of time,

442
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: and there's someone he said that there's they're like, oh no.

443
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Andy's parents are definitely not divorced because weeks before the

444
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: events of Toy Story one, Andy's dad died of polio. Huh,

445
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: a curable disease that no one gets anymore. Well, the

446
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: theory is that Andy's dad contracted polio as a child

447
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: and it came back. Wasn't support this theory. His father,

448
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: his only surviving possession was woody. I hate it it.

449
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: I feel nothing for the pole, Like, who is his

450
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: dad three hundred years old? Why can't he just have

451
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: a mom? Why can't you just have a single mom?

452
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, good that the movie doesn't call attention to

453
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like, you know, what appears to

454
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: be a single mom raising two children, or like villainizes

455
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: that in any way because that's like another version of

456
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: what we tend to see. But also Andy's mom, Yes,

457
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: she does have narrative impact because she is she's the

458
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: driver of the vehicles. And then also we almost never

459
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: see her face, even like there might be one wide

460
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: shot where like we see a glimpse of her face,

461
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: but usually it's like either her back and that might

462
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: also be an animation. Is that a Peanuts choice too?

463
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: Though That's what I thought was, Like, are just irrelevant

464
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: in this world in the first one, but that changes

465
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: in later year. It doesn't super bother me that, Like,

466
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not because you only see the

467
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: adults from like toy Angles in this movie. But I

468
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: like triple checked this. As of the end of the

469
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: third movie, we still don't know what Andy's mother's name is,

470
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, and we like go back

471
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and forth on this. You know, it's like, is mom

472
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: a character name? In some cases yes, in other cases

473
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear. But if you've been in three

474
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: feature length movies and have not been given the courtesy

475
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: of a first name, that is violent. But how would

476
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: the toys even perceive an adults name? I mean, it

477
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: could be, but but it's like, you know, how would

478
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: they perceive Andy's name? We were discussing, I mean, we

479
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: we went down a little redd rabbit hole before we

480
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: got in front of all you tonight. But um, there's

481
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: a theory that Andy's mom is the original owner of

482
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: the toy Jesse, in which case she does have a name.

483
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: It would be Emily that bitch. Is there anything else

484
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: that we like about the movie in terms of its

485
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: like representation of women, I guess I like, Um, there

486
00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: are two moments where the main like macho toys are

487
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: made to play women. For a second, so when when

488
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Woodie's like running point on the toy opening party, they

489
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: call him motherbird, which I thought was very sweet. And

490
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: then um, we have buzz later as Mrs Nesbit, he's

491
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: he's um sidds I forget sid. Sister's name Hannah, And

492
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Hannah's only toy with a head, so she's really slight.

493
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: She can put a bonnet on him, and uh so

494
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I like that they they speak to

495
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the idea that toys can have a mutable gender depending

496
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: on like what the kid playing with the toy wants.

497
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: Like we see all of Andy's toys as male because

498
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Andy's got daddy is shoes. I don't know, I mean,

499
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of things to sort out. And

500
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Hannah does not care that buzz light Ear looks like

501
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: a spaceman. He's a space woman in a little bonnet.

502
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: The Mrs Nesbitt scene is like polarizing too. It's it's

503
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: where there's like a lot of different reads of that scene.

504
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I I don't really know where to fall in it.

505
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I I do like that, like the toy just becomes

506
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: the gender of the child that is playing with it.

507
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I think that that's a cool philosophy to abide by.

508
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: And there was like when that when that especially just

509
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: because it's when that scene came on and there was

510
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: like a male coated toy that was dressed up like

511
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: a woman, I was like, Oh, they're gonna make some

512
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: like horrendous joke that's not going to age well, Like

513
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: there's going to be like this panic e joke. This

514
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: is really sick of drinking dargy linked tea. Yeah, Like

515
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: and so I I was like, I'm like, it's not

516
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: necessarily a wind. But I was just relieved that they

517
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: didn't take the cheap awful approach to that joke, right,

518
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I guess probably because it was rated G and they couldn't.

519
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean, tam, it's a murder, Yeah, I mean, I

520
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: think there's perhaps a lot to not admire so much

521
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: about this movie when it comes to the topics that

522
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: we discuss. Andy's toys, As we already said, like they're

523
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: all most entirely coated as male, there voiced by actors

524
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: who were men. There's like a damseling scene in the

525
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: opening scene of the movie where bo Peep, like her

526
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: sheep needs to be rescued by Woody and it's like

527
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: and the ransom ist five bazillion dollars. So already we're

528
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: just like, well, Andy's certainly not a progressive six year

529
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: old because he's probably you know, watching movies where women

530
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: are damseled and he's like, well, that's what women do.

531
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, like bo Peep is like the one

532
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: notable female toy character who has lines at all, because

533
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: there is that little like troll Doll who bikini, but

534
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: troll Doll never speaks and could be you know, just

535
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: because of the outfit. We don't have to do how

536
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Handy designated that troll Doll definitely, but troll Doll is

537
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: just confident. I was like, hell yeah, there was so

538
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: apparently in the script they wanted Barbie, they couldn't get Barbie,

539
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: but tell was like toy story who they wanted Barbie,

540
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: and Josh Weeden wrote this scene which I really like.

541
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: So we were talking about in the end when the

542
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: toys are all at at SIDS and they're escaping, and

543
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: there's this like I assume we'll get into it like

544
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: a horror horror scene where they scare SIDS straight to

545
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: never mess with toys again. Um. Initially, the way that

546
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the toys were meant to get out of SIDS was

547
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: that Barbie was going to show up and do a

548
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: terminator scene and be like, come with me if you

549
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: want to live, and Barbie was going to rescue everyone

550
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: from SIDS. But they couldn't get rights to Barbie, so

551
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: they devised yet another like weird Rube Goldberg toy situation

552
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: where they horror movie stood into letting them frame. So

553
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: there was gonna be Yeah, there was gonna be a

554
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: like a female toy hero. Josh Weeden tried for it.

555
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Tel was like, that would have been pretty cool. I

556
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: mean just like I mean, to have like female characters

557
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: doing anything that acts the plot would have been nice.

558
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: But bo Peep is literally there to either flirt or

559
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: provide emotional support. She frets. She also frets she oh,

560
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: you're right worrying The three came about I'm either fretting,

561
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: flirting or providing emotional support. She's got basically no narrative impact.

562
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: You can take her out of the movie, the plot

563
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: remains essentially the same if you apply the sexy lamp test,

564
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: which is a sexy lamp, right, So like replace her

565
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: with like the hot leg lamp from her Christmas story,

566
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: and the movie is the same. Yeah, she's just there

567
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: to flirt with wood with Woody and like give him

568
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: horny connections. She's like, oh yeah, she's like whitty, I

569
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: can't get someone us to watch the Sheep tonight, like

570
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: and then, right, is this movie suggesting that these toys fuck?

571
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't even like. But then also bo Peep seems

572
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: like she's just made horny by any impressive male character,

573
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: because whenever Buzz shows up and he does his like

574
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: falling with style thing, she's like, I've found my moving buddy,

575
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and then it's like fanning herself and like so horny

576
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: about it. So both people only exists in the story

577
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: to be like Woody's girlfriend. Most of the time we

578
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: see her on screen, she's doing some sort of like

579
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: emotional nurturing because women be nurturing, like oh Andy loves you,

580
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: and it's like they don't even give her. I I

581
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: for I was like, maybe there's like one of those

582
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: shitty throwaway moments that we hate. But it's something where

583
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: like in like an action scene, bo Peep gets to

584
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: do one thing and everyone's like, whoa, she just used

585
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: that staff to stab someone in the eye or like

586
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: something less violent than that. Um, But she doesn't even

587
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: get like one of those corny ass girl power moments

588
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: like like that. I mean that was there was just nothing,

589
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: nothing for her to do. She's not even tokenized, which

590
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: for a woman being tokenized, do you know your movie

591
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: is a fucking up? And then both people, I mean

592
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: she is. It's kind of like a weird character in

593
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: this franchise in general, because she's in the second one

594
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: to some extent, but it's very much sidelined because that's

595
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: when Jesse the cow girl comes in, and then in

596
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: the third movie she's not in it at all. It's

597
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: like implied she was given away in a garage sale

598
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: because they're like, we don't know how to real characters. Bye,

599
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: like they have we shipped her away. We all examined

600
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: the toy story four plot summaries. Yes, so she's about

601
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: to be heroic, right right, Well, I've seen the trailer

602
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: that I do haven't explored much beyond that though, she's

603
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: like a liberated toy now and she's going to teach

604
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Woody a trigger two. I don't know about all this.

605
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: There's like a like the new bo peep there. They

606
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: do kind of like a number of things I think

607
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: are like corny and like what dudes do when they're look, Oh,

608
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: I actually don't hate women because she's wearing pants now.

609
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: Like it's like she gets pants on that lamp there,

610
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: she's porcelain. It is impossible, but they, I mean, they

611
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: gave her a new outfit. She wears like a pant

612
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: suit now. Now her like sheep stick is like a

613
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 1: like a way I don't know what, but it, but

614
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: they basically did a post me to redesign of this

615
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: character to be like, no, she's actually empowered and cool

616
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: and also now and she's gonna, you know, tell Woody

617
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: a thing or two about a thing or two, which

618
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: is cool in theory, but it almost just feels like

619
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: moving from one shitty trope to like a merry suit trope,

620
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: just turning her from like this feminine to like a

621
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: badass hashtag girl boss who doesn't take any nonsense from anybody,

622
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: And it's like we just want a character. Right, there's

623
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: stuff that exists in the middle of those two things

624
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: that I don't I mean, I'm excited to see it.

625
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: I just anytime, like male screenwriters are like resolved feminism,

626
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: like she got pants that she's made, Like I I

627
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't trust it because I want to

628
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: read a quote from an article l A Times about

629
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Tory story for specifically about the peep's character. It's as

630
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: she became someone as Coolie, says Coolie as the director

631
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: of towards story for who can stand up for herself,

632
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: has confidence and has seen a lot of things, has

633
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: lived through it. She's more well rounded. We looked at

634
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: different kinds of female characters, mad Max Fury Roads and

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Speaker 1: Parator furiosa Ray from Star Wars. Marian from Indiana Jones

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Speaker 1: is a huge one as well. And I quote, I

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Speaker 1: just think he's naming women he's heard of, Like it's

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00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: it just seems very defensive, like he just described something

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Speaker 1: impossibly vague of like you know, she's a woman. She's

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Speaker 1: done things before, she's woken up, she's fallen back asleep,

641
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Speaker 1: she's gotten dressed, she's gotten undressed, she's washed a few times.

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Speaker 1: Here's a list of three women I've heard of feminism

643
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Speaker 1: solves it does. It feels very much like lip service.

644
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, who do people think are the feminist

645
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: characters again? Oh? Yes, these ones? And then just like

646
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Speaker 1: said it to a reporter. I really hope that I'm

647
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Speaker 1: wrong and that they didn't just do this like very

648
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: reductive like Mary Sue character that you know makes everyone

649
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: feel like towards story fixed feminism or something, but that

650
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Speaker 1: like just strictly based on like if you look at

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Speaker 1: the visual of like before after, like it seems kind

652
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: of like a hollow gesture. Sorry, keep her in the

653
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: same outfit. Why do I have to change my clothes

654
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: to discover myself? But it's never changes damn clothes in

655
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: his life, right, But I mean the way she's originally

656
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: designed is that she's attached to a lamb tachoo lamp,

657
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Speaker 1: but then in it like pink freely dress and like

658
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: the character ever of these sheets, I just I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't hate the reason design dress and also like

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00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: to I guess because female characters are just so often

661
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: like hyper feminized in their look or wardrobe. I agree

662
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Speaker 1: with that. I just like she's logistically she's porcelain, you

663
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Speaker 1: can't change her outfit. But and and also in the redesign,

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Speaker 1: they change her into a blue pants suit. So I

665
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Speaker 1: feel like they're just they're like, oh, you didn't like

666
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: pink dress about blue pants? Like it's just it just

667
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: seems so lazy, and I like it's a I'm with

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00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: her gesture for sure. Yeah, Like it just seems like

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Speaker 1: if you have already written this character poorly, like since

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Speaker 1: you've fumbled this, like you can't just put a new

671
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Speaker 1: outfit on and be like the like there though I

672
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: remember story three. What is the beau Pie Bark in

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Speaker 1: Toy Story two other than being Woody's girlfriend. I think

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Speaker 1: it's just that I think that she does a few

675
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Speaker 1: more like Woody's girlfriend. But Woody has a female right now,

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00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and that's yeah. And then and then Jesse, I mean

677
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: we can talk about Jesse a little bit. She's not

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Speaker 1: in the first movie, but like, Jesse is awesome in

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00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Toy Story two, and she's got this like really detailed

680
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: female arc with a Sarah McLoughlin song about the tragedy

681
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: of being rejected by Andy's mom. By Andy's mom, it's

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Speaker 1: the only like woman woman relationship characters talking to each

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Speaker 1: other across space and time there spiritually, and yet Toy

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Speaker 1: Story two also fails the Becktel test. But then in

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Speaker 1: Toy Story three, Uh, there's like this bad storyline on

686
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Speaker 1: a number of levels where like Buzz loses his identity

687
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: again and then he becomes this like Latin lover stereotype

688
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: and Jesse falls in love with him, and then she

689
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: is there's already like an ongoing flirtation established between Jesse

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Speaker 1: and Buzz that he does not need to be in

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Speaker 1: the movie. But because it's like, oh, we have a

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Speaker 1: female character, we better make her like a boy because

693
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: what else, because what else is she going to do?

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Speaker 1: It almost like reminds me of like a Ron and

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Speaker 1: her mind E thing, where like you feel like the

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Speaker 1: writers were like, yeah, they're gonna love this, but then

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Speaker 1: when you see you're like someone is clearly settling like

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Speaker 1: this is Can we talk a little bit about how

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Speaker 1: much Woody sucks hestes terrible? Yes. I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: a number of ways to look at the Woody and

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Speaker 1: Buzz relationship. Ultimately, you know, it's like big picture. I

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Speaker 1: do like that there are two male characters who learn

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Speaker 1: how to have a meaningful friendship together. I feel like

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00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: it's like rare to like encourage, especially like young boys

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Speaker 1: to be like no, you can be friends with other

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Speaker 1: boys like and it's like a good positive thing. I

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Speaker 1: I like that. But their friendship is very fucked up.

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Speaker 1: It is mostly a dick measuring competition and it's all

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Speaker 1: about I mean, both of those characters get pretty severely

710
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Speaker 1: emasculated and have to recover at different points because, like

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00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: Woody is emasculated by no longer being the favorite of Andy,

712
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: and like he has to he lashes out from that

713
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Speaker 1: rejection and pushes, you know, accidentally pushes Buzz out a window,

714
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Speaker 1: and Buzz is emasculated by the fact that he is

715
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Speaker 1: not the only Buzz light Year. But to be fair,

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Speaker 1: imagine you thought you were like a hot shot space

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Speaker 1: cadet and you learn you are an eight inch tall toy.

718
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, I'm not the Caitlin Durante,

719
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: host of the Backtel cast, which would you let yourself

720
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Speaker 1: be strapped to a rocket? Um life would feel pretty

721
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: meaningless if I learned there were like eight million others

722
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: of me made in a sweatshop, which they the toys

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Speaker 1: discussed very early on. They talked about that so much.

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Speaker 1: I just I mean, I do kind of like how

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Speaker 1: naive Buzzes. I think if they were both as antagonistic

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Speaker 1: and like world weary as what he appears to be,

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Speaker 1: it would be like a different movie. I mean. And

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Speaker 1: and like when Buzzes character starts out and everyone's impressed

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Speaker 1: by him, he's a pretty nice, gregarious character, Like he

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Speaker 1: is nice. There's like that whole montage where he's friendly

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Speaker 1: to everyone, is teaching people how to lift weights. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess so along the lines of wood he originally

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Speaker 1: being a villain. They didn't intend for buzz to not

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Speaker 1: realize he was a toy, But when they heard how

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Speaker 1: Tim Allen was reading the character, they were like, he's

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Speaker 1: not playing it like he's a toy. He's playing it

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Speaker 1: like he's actually like buzz Aldrin. So they wrote that

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Speaker 1: whole thing of him not recognizing he's a toy because

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: Tim Allen wasn't a nuanced voice actor. He does. Tim Allen,

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Speaker 1: I hate him. So if you were if you were

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Speaker 1: a woman, like if you were like a woman voice

742
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: actor speaking from experience, they would say you're doing a

743
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: bad job because they're like, oh, mr Tim, we're so sorry.

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00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: We are going to have joh Sweden write you another

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00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: draft tonight because you cannot do your job, like what

746
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: do he is? Uh? You know? In retrospect and antagonistic,

747
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: flaccid devil many the way that Sid's family is presented,

748
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot implied about Sid's family

749
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Speaker 1: that is bizarre and dark and unnecessary where I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's first of all a wild choice to make like

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Speaker 1: an eight year old the villain of the movie. But

752
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean I mean when I was a kid, I

753
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Speaker 1: fully bought into it and thought I hated said I

754
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Speaker 1: hated his adorable little bull terrier dog Skud Scud, Yeah,

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00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: King's Scud like there when in retrospect, I mean, there's

756
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Speaker 1: so much about Sid's house and the way his family

757
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Speaker 1: operates that just implies that he is maybe neglected by

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Speaker 1: his parents a little bit, and that he might be

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00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: poorer than Andy's family. And there's I feel like there's

760
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of weird coding going on with that

761
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Speaker 1: family that just sort of translates to like, very young

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Speaker 1: kids is like poorer kid with like less attentive parents

763
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: equals bad villain forever, which is such a horrible thing

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00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: to imply, like to any kids and also skull t shirt. Well,

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Speaker 1: we really see how the toys are formed by who

766
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Speaker 1: their owners are, because early on, when Buzz hasn't really

767
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: had like Andy's room imprinted on him, he says said

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Speaker 1: from the window from across the lawns, and he's like

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Speaker 1: that happy child. He sees said, like destroying a combat

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Speaker 1: carl and he's like that happy, smiling child. And like

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Speaker 1: that's kind of when I rewatched it as a thirty

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Speaker 1: year old and not a seven year old, I was like,

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00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: he's just having a really fucking fun time with his toys. Yeah,

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00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: like he just like it seems like he's neglected to

775
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: the point where he can have rockets shipped to his room.

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00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: But that's how you get that that's not his fault.

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00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there are some things implied

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00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: where like you never see either of his parents other

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00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: than a sleep, other than a sleep surrounded by cans.

780
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot implied about his family. When Buzz

781
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: sees the commercial for Buzz Lightyear, we know it is morning,

782
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: but Buzz walks into a dark room where a TV

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00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: is on and there are cans everywhere and someone is

784
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: asleep on a recliner. I think it is implied that

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00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: Sid has an alcohol like dad and that that is

786
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: like it's just like the weird implicate like class and

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00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: family implications of that character who is just outright the

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00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: villain of the story. Like there's no sympathy, empathy anything

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00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: presented for Sid, who Like, if you saw a nine

790
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: year old kid who was acting out like that in

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Speaker 1: real life, you would be like, this kid probably needs

792
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: some guidance so or like as I call it, or

793
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: like someone to talk to. But um, in this they're like, no,

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00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: he just needs to be harassed by Tom Hanks. That'll

795
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: show him like he truly didn't seem like I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I am like standing for sins so bad,

797
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: but like he seems like a little goth boy who

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Speaker 1: like needs to be put on the right track. And

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Speaker 1: I just I don't like how they present that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is a product of his upbringing, and they imply

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Speaker 1: that because his upbringing is like coded as being like

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00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: lower income, that that's what and that's his faults. Is

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00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: that that that they're like, he's just a bad kid.

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00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: You know what bad kids are like, you know what

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00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: they act like, But like that and it happens in

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: a vacuum and then they present. Andy is like, and

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00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: this is a good kid because like his mom pays

808
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: attention to him, and his sister looks scary, and his

809
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: lawn is more manicured than sids is. I mean, if

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00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: we're if we're putting like pound for pound, Sid is

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Speaker 1: more interesting than Andy. He's doing laps around Andy. What

812
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: does it? What was Andy do? Does sexist act outs

813
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: with his toys? Sid's doing full on like surgery medical procedures.

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00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: He's an aspiring surgeon and just needs needs a mentor

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00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: to be like Sid, you these are very scary, but

816
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: there's a practical application of this interest. And he's just

817
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: a kid who is like fucking around with his toys.

818
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: Like that's every kid. I mean, he's just I had

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00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: a couple. I had a couple baby dollar As a child,

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00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: there was a baby doll that, um, it would like

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Speaker 1: crawl a little bit and then cry, and then crawl

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00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: a little bit more and cry. I don't know if

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00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: anyone had this baby doll, but it was very annoying

824
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: and that the crying sounds were awful. So I ripped

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00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: its head off and threw it over my balcony, like

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Speaker 1: that's not all I played with barbies. Did you cut hair?

827
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: I cut their hair off? I wasn't. I wasn't allowed

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Speaker 1: to cut hair. Oh man, I cut I would. I

829
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Speaker 1: had some barbies that I was like, I want you

830
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: to keep your hair, but other ones I shaved their heads.

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Speaker 1: And the older I got, the more the older I

832
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: got in like, the less I was like into playing

833
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: with toys, I was like, well, I might as well

834
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: just ruin these. I don't know what I was thinking.

835
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: So I cut all their hair off and then I

836
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: would paint them with nail polish. So I sort of

837
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: related to sit in that way. But it is like

838
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: he's just treating toys like a kid would treat it

839
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: is really creative with them and creates like mutants that

840
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: are toys are the best toys in the whole show.

841
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: I want baby Spider Guy and legs, and it does love.

842
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: It provide an opportunity for what I think is an

843
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: important lesson where it's like, I don't know, don't judge

844
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: things or people by how they look. Because they're like,

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00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: oh they're they look different from the norm, they must

846
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: be cannibals. And then which is a wild assumption to

847
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: begin with but yeah, it's like judging the other in

848
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: any way. But even then, like that that lesson, like

849
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: you almost get all the way there, But Sadie, you

850
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: were saying this earlier, like sids toys help fix Buzz

851
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: without being asked. They're very nice, even though they've been

852
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: treated badly by mostly Woody. Buzz hasn't been like outwardly

853
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: means thought they were cannibals. But they help him anyways.

854
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: And then what he's like, Oh, you're nice, can you

855
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: help us do this thing? And then they help do

856
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: the thing in the in the big horror scene where

857
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, like Sid finds out the toys are real,

858
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: He's the only kid in the fucking world that knows that.

859
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: I Actually, my hot take here is that Sid is

860
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: the only one who's really deserving of knowing that the

861
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: toys are alive, because all through the movie, like there's

862
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: a there's a semi truck that almost runs over Woody

863
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: because he's so committed to playing the role of like

864
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: toys not being alive, he lies down in front of

865
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: the wheel. Is hat he even gets run over a

866
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit, But he'll break that like toy code of

867
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: silence to teach Si a lesson he does like an

868
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: exorcist headspin. Yeah, Sid deserved that. That was cool. I

869
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: love that Sid has to go through life with the

870
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: sinister knowledge. But anyway, but like the toys help Woody

871
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: and Buzz who have been cruel and judgmental towards them,

872
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: and then instead of end of them getting some sort

873
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: of redemptive arc, instead what he just goes thanks guys

874
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: by and then they charge into the climax of the

875
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: movie and like it and they like hanging out there.

876
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: I hope so and being played with in an engaging

877
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: way all of those toys. But really, team said, I mean,

878
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's fault. I think it's like

879
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Woody and Buzz in the way they treat these toys

880
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: who are different from them and then rely on them

881
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of ship for them, and then

882
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, thanks to you, and then just like DIP,

883
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: I guess the idea is that like they helped liberate

884
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: the toys from like Sid's will never hurt them again

885
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: because that he was afraid of his sister's little right,

886
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: another character that I thought didn't get enough or like

887
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: started it in a cool place and then was kind

888
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: of like poorly written into oblivion. Was Sid's little sister Hannah.

889
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: I really liked her when she first I forgot she

890
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: was in the movie, which never as well for the

891
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: impact that she would have. But like in the first thing,

892
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: she's she's like seen challenging Sid right away. She's like

893
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: get away, you know, like they're doing like a younger

894
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: sibling older sibling thing. And it seems like creeps me

895
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: out from the beginning. I like her. I mean it's

896
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: not saying I don't like that, like, but like Sid

897
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: is like terror like I mean, he terrorizes his younger sister.

898
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: He literally says that line when Hannah like runs off

899
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: to tell her mom that said did something. Yeah, where

900
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: it's like, don't believe her, don't believe she's lying. Damn nutshell. Uh,

901
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: But I liked that, Like, you know, Hannah was like

902
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: pushing back. She's the only person we see push back against,

903
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: said do Andy and said even know each other? We

904
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, Hannah pushes back. And then

905
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: I have a fight club theory about Andy and said,

906
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: oh damn, I think they're the same. I mean they

907
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: are literally the same character, the same mold, but then

908
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: we see like Hannah is then when we see her

909
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: again later. The only other thing we really see her

910
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: in is like when she like goes to like the

911
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: most stereotypical girl bedroom of all time, where it's like

912
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: it's pink, pink, pink. She's having a tea party with

913
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: heads with her two beheaded dogs and her sister. She

914
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: she starts out as like this kind of cool character

915
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: and then they kind of just throw her into I mean,

916
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: it's I would argue it's better than bo Peep, who

917
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: just like starts lame and remains that way. But like Hannah,

918
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you're given this cool little nugget of like, oh,

919
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: she's like argumentative and she's like gonna funk with her brother.

920
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: There's versions of it where I can see her participating

921
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: in the plot and like helping William Buzz. She like

922
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: takes a liking to Buzz. She like turns him into

923
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: Mrs Nesbit like, but she's just kind of written out

924
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: instead of like there's like this whole third act that

925
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: takes place in her house, but she's only she's like

926
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: relegated to like a tea party scene. And I just

927
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: don't know, I just so so after the toys. It's

928
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: called like the wine the Frog scene because Woody orchestrates

929
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: this whole thing in the scene in which they would

930
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: have had Barbie rescue all of them, which I think

931
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: would have been cool. Instead, all the toys do this

932
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: like horror movie reenactment for Sid, so that he's now

933
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: terrified of his toys and wood He is like, there's

934
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: a snake in my boot. Don't ever torture your toys again,

935
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: and he runs screaming into the house, at which point

936
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Hannah's waving her doll in front of him, and Sid

937
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: is horrified because now he knows the toys are alive

938
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: and coming to get him. Yeah, so she's got a

939
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: little agency there. She's got. She definitely does. I just

940
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: like wish that she had been used more, because again

941
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: it's like, as much as I like that character, you

942
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: can remove her from the entire movie and like, how

943
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: much actually changes not not. I think what makes a

944
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: little more sense for the movie is just too like

945
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: the core group of toys that we meet, introduce some

946
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: other female coded toys into the group and give them

947
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: just more of an active role in the story. Like

948
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of toys that could have

949
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: gone either way, like Rex didn't. I mean, I'm not

950
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna say Wash should leave any movie, but Rex didn't

951
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: have to be male. Ham didn't have to be male, right, Really,

952
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: most of Andy's toys, like there could have been like

953
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: gender parody with Andy's toys and it wouldn't have changed anything.

954
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: So really the movies a critique on Andy's just dumb imagination.

955
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: I yeah, Andy is an unoriginal chod and but I

956
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: mean it's if you look at the Hannah character, where

957
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, she's got a pink room and she has

958
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: dolls and they do tea parties, and there's nothing wrong

959
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: with being interested in feminine toys, but just that that

960
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: is such an egregious default for a young girl that

961
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: just is not really challenged or explored. And then you've

962
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 1: got Andy, who has all male toys. He does very

963
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: misguided act outs with them. There's a whole quick conversation

964
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: that we can have about just the toy industry and

965
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: how toys are you know, very specifically gendered and marketed,

966
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know how that ruins children basically, um,

967
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: But lots of studies haven't done on like the way

968
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: children play and the toys they play with and how

969
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: that affects how a child's brain develops. Um because these

970
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: all these things I'll have a very profound impact on children.

971
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: Play is a large part of what gets a child

972
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: to like understand the world that they're in and what

973
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: their role is in that developing. And yes, so they've

974
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: just found a bunch of stuff that playing with toys

975
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: can help develop skills and influences a child's future, like

976
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: what career they might go into. Right, So, researched by

977
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: the Institution for Engineering and Technology found the toys with

978
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: a STEM focus where three times more likely to be

979
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: targeted at boys than girls. I wonder if that has

980
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: anything to do with how women are underrepresented instead it's true.

981
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, well, and then the same thing with sports too.

982
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: I've just like, that's not something that is marketed to

983
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: girls when they're very young, and every kid is an idiot,

984
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: that's the law, and what is presented to them is

985
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: what they'll think, like, oh, that's what I'm able to do,

986
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: so let me do that. And then there's also so

987
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: many I mean, this isn't in this movie, but like

988
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: with the Mrs potato Head, there's so many versions of

989
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: toys originally made for boys that they'll just slap a

990
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: bow on and be like ever girls now or like

991
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: legos are one of the few things that are for everyone.

992
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: But even when legos were first marketed at girls, they

993
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: were like ink and pastel and they looked different because

994
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: they're like, well, girls won't pick up solid colors. Women

995
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: hate primary colors. They can't see them. Legos are invisible

996
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: to them. We have to fem it up like there.

997
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: And I do want the girl legos, however, because and

998
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: that is like such a gender like neutral concept that

999
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: they still managed to gender like through color and through marketing.

1000
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: There's so much I mean, I had. I did a

1001
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: brief stint as a toy reporter, which sounds like a lie,

1002
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: but it is true because one must have many stupid jobs. Um.

1003
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: And the time I was reporting at was when they

1004
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: were releasing barbies with different body types, and there was

1005
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: so much written at that time of the way that

1006
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: children were reacting to them. And it is it like

1007
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: the thing that I took away from research again and

1008
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: then and then writing about it is kids form ideas

1009
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: on how toys and then by extension, what the world

1010
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: should look like. So much younger than you would think,

1011
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: because there were barbies with different body types given to

1012
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: a group of four year olds and already, like there

1013
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: were kids who didn't mean any harm, but we're saying,

1014
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: like this isn't right. Why would I want this? This

1015
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: isn't what I want. And so it's just like the

1016
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: not challenging anything is such an insidious thing to do

1017
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: because your kid can be you know, like you can

1018
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: do your best and your kid can still be skull

1019
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: fucked by the time they're four years old, just based

1020
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: on what is around and what is available to them,

1021
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: which is always with some exceptions. Now and I hope

1022
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: that you know, like kids that had barbies with different

1023
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: body types before they were four years old will you know,

1024
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: be less conditioned to feel that way. But but it

1025
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: is like some something that hits with you so young

1026
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: that like there needs to be priority to uh, like

1027
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: representing a wider variety of of dolls of body types.

1028
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about dolls specifically, but like making them less

1029
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: gendered and less you know bullshit, um is like super

1030
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: important from the second you are yikes. Well, because toys

1031
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: are so often exaggeratedly gendered, like yeah, toys marketed to

1032
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: boys are like army men, g I do like fucking monster,

1033
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: like very hyper hyper masculine stuff. And then like toys

1034
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: marketed to girls are like pretty pretty princess and easy

1035
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: bag oven and like very the most exaggerated versions of

1036
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: masculinity and femininity. And when that's what you're giving children

1037
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: to play with who have like mushy play do brains

1038
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: who like don't understand the world yet like playto toys

1039
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: a gender neutral toy that you can lump, you can

1040
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: make at home. My mom used to make anyone on

1041
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: my stovetop all the time. I don't know what the

1042
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: ingredients are. Eat it? You can? I have eaten it?

1043
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean it is. It's like such an

1044
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: important and I hope that, like in Toy Story four,

1045
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: like a full twenty four years after their first movie

1046
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: came out, that that will be something that is more included,

1047
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: because like movies like this are so merchandizing based like

1048
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: how many actual buzz light years have you and like

1049
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: how many squeaky aliens have you seen? Like these movies

1050
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: are literally designed to sell merchandise because capitalism. I had

1051
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: Woody and buzz toys. It's a genius move. To make

1052
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: a movie about toys and then you can sell those

1053
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: toys like it's it's a very like normal thing to do.

1054
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: But if you write, if you take priority to write

1055
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 1: in characters that are more inclusive and less just like

1056
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: this is a toy for boys, this is a toy

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Speaker 1: for girls. A k. We're not making toys of it

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: because that is how the toy industry works. Is like,

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01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: there's even with like the Avengers, it took nine million

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: years for them to make a black widow action figure

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: and and to include her in marketing. It's just the

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: same thing with the Star Wars. Whenever the new trilogy

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01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: started coming out, they didn't have Ray toys with all

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: the other ones, even though Ray is the main character.

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Speaker 1: Another thing is that UM toys across the whole gender

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Speaker 1: spectrum mostly seemed to be representing white people or they're

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: they're so like dolls, action figures, everything are mostly white,

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01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: and toy story reflects that. Yeah, sure does. Another way

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: in which franchise about toys could challenge in the toy

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01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: industry but instead just profits off of it. It's just

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: it is weird, how like, you know, not surprising, but

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: just how backwards the toy industry in particular still is.

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: And but but if you're you know, in a place

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: where you are helping to write a toy story movie,

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: you can include something that you know will become a

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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: toy that kids can have. And that's like a cool

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: power to use, not like a fucking loser. Well guess

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: who was behind this movie? Um, because that might have

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Speaker 1: something to do with ye. Also, Um, so we've got

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Speaker 1: written by credits from Josh Weeden, Andrews Stanton, Joel Cohen,

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Speaker 1: Alex So I don't know a man though, um, and

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: then I don't know a man the almost the full

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: production list of every movie. Uh, and then story by

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Speaker 1: credits from John Lasseter, Pete Doctor and Joe Ramped. So

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of men. Um, Yeah I believe it

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: or not? Yeah, I mean, well this is this was

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Speaker 1: the first Pixar full movie and there if you're into

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: Pixar lord, which I'm not, thank god. Um, but I

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: I've I've I did my homework. There is like all

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: this before John Lasseter was canceled and they were still

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: allowed to let him wear his hideous shirts in public.

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: He told the same story a million times about how

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: he and I believe it was three other men who

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: were involved in the you know, the ground floor of Pixar,

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01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: came up with all these story ideas, all of which

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: became very famous Pixar movies. I think that went from

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: toy story all the way up to Wally, Like they

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: came up with thirteen. They just went to fucking brunch

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: and they planned out thirteen years worth of movies. And

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: it is extremely telling that that is the specific like

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 1: amount of Pixar history that was written by three or sorry,

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: three to four eight white guys, because in that entire

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: era of Pixar, that's all the movies are about. That's

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01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: literally like you don't get a lead female Pixar character

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: until two thousand twelve with Brave, Like that's the first time.

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Speaker 1: Um and up until then, like there are female characters,

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: but they're never the driving force of the movie until

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: after all those guys ran out of ideas. Um is

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: Coco the first Pixar movie that's led by a person

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: of color, Like it's just it takes I think that

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:39,480
Speaker 1: that's true, Like it just takes ridiculously long for anyone,

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: And that is not like the standard that are the

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: people who get to write movies to be included in

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Speaker 1: this universe because they're not included like behind the scenes.

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: It is eleven pm on a school nice, so we

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: should wrap up here. Yeah. Does anyone else have any

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie? They wanted to call Bugs

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: Life Bug Story? Oh, I think that would have worked okay,

1119
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: and then like a Toys like works out Wally Life Story,

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01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Monsters Story, Monsters University Story. Should we take some audience

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: questions comments before or anyone do we miss anything? Or

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: your here? We're gonna we want you to come up

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: to the mike so it can get on the recording.

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: So so come on, form a cue, come on down.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's perfect. Hi. What's your name? My name is Natalie. Hi.

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Speaker 1: My question is do we think that animation and as

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: an extension c G I sort of softens or like

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01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: makes misogyny more cute, sort of like makes it easier

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Speaker 1: for maybe children and like all of us to digest.

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: That's my question. I think that children's entertainment in general

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: makes misogyny cuter. I don't know if it's I mean,

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: I think it is probably easier to do when it's

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: an animated character, but I mean there's very little like

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, well, live all live action children's

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01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: entertainment is intersectional, and like I think that you could

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: pull any episode of Drake and Josh and see some

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01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: cutie pie misogyny, and I think, yeah, there's just like

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: all children and teen entertainment really couch it, and just

1139
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: like especially when it's like making characters that you like

1140
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: dismissive of women and not including them in any way

1141
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: the way that like what he does. But I think

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: a lot of live action characters too. Sure, I definitely

1143
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: think that car making cartoon anything. I mean, especially if

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: you're talking like cartoon violence, that definitely makes it easier

1145
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: to to go down than pushing a real wolf off

1146
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: a real cliff. True about your question, thank you, thank you. Hi.

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Speaker 1: What's her name? Hi, Emily Hi. Um. With regards to

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: the moral framework of a toy society, Um, do you

1149
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: think that they got their sort of treatment of women

1150
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,440
Speaker 1: like they treat bo peep from watching their human creators?

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: Are they born with they created by them, or is

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: there like some sort of in their toy society? Like well,

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Well, I mean, if we're judging

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: off of if the toys are learning about gender roles

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: from Andy. That makes a lot of sense because maybe

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: we are like, oh, Wood, he's an adult man, but

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: we don't know that. So maybe Wood he has just

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: only seen his owner like treat women dismissively and damseled

1159
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: and just has this very narrow conception of the world.

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Andy is only that way because

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: of the toys that are marketed to him. So the

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: snake eating its own tail, I don't know. I like that,

1163
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: like blew my mind. I was just wondering if it

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01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 1: was innate, because like I haven't seen the movie in

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: a while, but you know, when Buzzes first brought to them,

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01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: he's like a new toy. And I don't remember how

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: he acted around bo Peep, but it was he already

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01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: like he was kind of a clean slate towards everyone.

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01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: I mean, even based on that, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think he doesn't respond to her any differently. In fact,

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: he does. He does his whole like flying around the

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01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: room saying and then Mr potato Head says like, oh,

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01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: I bet the dolls totally go for you, and Buzzes like,

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: where is fucking Zorg who I'm trying to kill? So

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: like he doesn't. I don't think he like noticed as women,

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: which is also a problem to not notice women. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's really not many women around to notice. There.

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01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm down for the nurture argument there. Yeah, damn,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you, thank you guys. It's eleven eleven.

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01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: We'll make a wish you gotta. Hi. So there's some

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01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: really great and thought provoking questions. I don't have one

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01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: of those. So when you cut the hair off of

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: the barbies, were they more in charge? Yes? Oh good questions?

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01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: Did they take over? They did? Yeah, the loft of

1185
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: rule is upheld yet again. Yes, that was not provoking.

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: That was yeah. That don't sell yourself short my mind. Hi. Hi.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that both buzz and would He

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: their character arc focuses on them learning to deal with

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01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: the fact that they're losing something that they didn't earn.

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Speaker 1: So do you think it's fair to say that both

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Speaker 1: of them have two different sort of challenges of male entitlements? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think that. I mean, well, basically,

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Speaker 1: wood He is the in cell and Buzzes the chad.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, finally in terms I can understand

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01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: in cell talk. Yes, I would. I mean Wood, he

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: is such an entitled character where when his like dominance

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: in this funked up society has challenged, he tries to

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01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: kill someone He's like Stalin, like he's scary, and then

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Speaker 1: buzz I mean, I don't know. I guess the Buzzes

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Speaker 1: Buzzes deal is that he is very threatened and like

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01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: his masculinity is challenged by that he is not the

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01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: one and only buzz light Year and that he is

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: a part like he's he's a part of something larger

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01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: than himself and that upsets him. Yeah, I mean the

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01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: Chad insult thing. Really does that? Does that? What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Caitlyn? Yeah? No, I agree the end? Damn,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I got you to agree with me. Wow.

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: Uh does this movie pass the back tell test gang? No? Not? Okay, Okay,

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: there's there's a moment. Yeah, there's a moment in Sid's

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01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: house whenever, um, Hannah, Sid's sister, and then Sid Sid's mother,

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01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: Mom we do not see on screen, right, and we're

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01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,879
Speaker 1: in the constant battle of like, is Mom a character

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01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: name because it's sort of treated the same as the

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01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: way Dad is. We don't know. In this case, I'm

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: inclined to not cut them a break. But what is

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: the what is the exchange? So Hannah says, mom, have

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01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: you seen my sally Doll? The mom from off screen says,

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01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: what was that? Dear said, dear, pop Dart is ready,

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: and then Hannah says, never mind because she has just

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01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: found buzz ak Mrs nets Bit. Um. So I would say,

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: because we don't even see the mom on screen, and

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: that's like one of two lines she has, the other

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: one being popped heart related, I would I don't really

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01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: want to give that a pass, but it is it

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: is about a Sally Doll, and it's not about But

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01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: then Hannah says never mind because she sees a male toy,

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01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: so she decides as Mrs Nesbit that's true, So that

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: I mean, but buzz still identifies as male as far

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01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: as we can tell, even when he is dressed as

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Speaker 1: Mrs Nesbit. Yes, doesn't pass. A second one doesn't pass either,

1231
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: but in the fourth one they put pants on her,

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: so problems so we'll see. Oh boy. Should we rate

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: the movie on a nipple scale nipples based on its

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: portrayal of women, It's like between a zero and a

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: half nipple. I think I'm gonna go with a half

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: just because the movie isn't outwardly hateful toward women, because

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the movies that we give like a

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01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: zero too uh contempt contemptuous of women. This movie just

1239
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: ignores and or erases women's existence. So that's actually okay.

1240
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: I like that so far. So yeah, I'll give it.

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01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: I'll bump it up to a half nipple because of that.

1242
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, this movie, there was no reason why there

1243
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: could not be more, you know, female coded toys. There

1244
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: was no reason the different of the other female characters

1245
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,759
Speaker 1: who are introduced and exist in the story already couldn't

1246
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: have a more significant narrative impact. The toys are all white, yeah,

1247
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: as most toys are in real life, which is another

1248
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: extremely fucked up thing. I'll give my half nipple. I

1249
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: guess to Sid's mom, who's just trying her best with

1250
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: what she's got, and she there is a fan theory

1251
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: where she and Andy's dad alone. Yes, oh, I think

1252
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: if that Sid might actually be the child of Andy's dad,

1253
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: well that's why they couldn't afford a second child. Well. Also,

1254
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: I mean, between Sid and Andy looking pretty much the same,

1255
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: there's some shared DNA there. There's one woman who is

1256
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: a producer on this movie. I'm forgetting her name. She

1257
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: has a theory that both sit In and R John

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: Lasseter his his inner children. I don't I hate it.

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01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a half nip as well. I don't.

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01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: It's a bummer, I because I do, Like, I mean,

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01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: I think this is like a classic case of a

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Speaker 1: movie that no one dislikes. Really, like everyone has a

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Speaker 1: soft spot for this movie. I still, I still really

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm going to see a new one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry when instructed. I'm a I'm a fucking idiot.

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Speaker 1: I'll do what I'm told. But I mean, upon further,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this movie is just very

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Speaker 1: thoroughly an unchallenging product of its time, where it's we're

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Speaker 1: presented with like an upper middle class white family that

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Speaker 1: challenges nothing, um and has contempt for anyone poorer than

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Speaker 1: them and thinks they're villains. Um. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: just like it's just it doesn't really challenge anything, but

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Speaker 1: but it I just think it's like kind of doofy

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Speaker 1: and dumb, Like I don't think it's out to really

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Speaker 1: get anyone, but it's just there. It's clear that no

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Speaker 1: one involved in the production, or there are very few

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Speaker 1: people involved in the production that had a different perspective,

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Speaker 1: or or you know, very simple things could have been

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Speaker 1: switched to make it a more inclusive and fun movie

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Speaker 1: to watch. So I'll give it a half nippy. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give it to Hannah because god damn it, I

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Speaker 1: think that there there was more for her to do.

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Speaker 1: Justice for Hannah. Also, there's a flash forward scene and

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Speaker 1: Toy Story three where Sid is like a very cheerful

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Speaker 1: garbage man. Make of that what you will. There's another

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01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: fan theory for that though. There so Sid is the

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Speaker 1: only one who knows that toys can talk, and this

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Speaker 1: haunts him into adulthood. But then he develops an altruistic

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Speaker 1: side that uh that wants to rescue toys from He

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Speaker 1: wants to save them from the trash and that's why

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Speaker 1: he's the trash man. What I think is that John

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Speaker 1: Lasseter hates poor people. Yeah, I'm going to a second

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Speaker 1: Both of these I'm giving a similar rating, and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm at like a point seven apple WHOA, I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just again, I don't think it's meant to be hurtful.

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Speaker 1: But so many times when people are excluded, you know,

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Speaker 1: no one's trying to be hurtful, they just have very

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Speaker 1: limited world views. Um, I'm gonna give it to Mrs Nest,

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Speaker 1: but very good an icon. Yes, I wish he had

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Speaker 1: a spin off with Rex. I think Rex is the

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Speaker 1: best character in the movie anyway. Uh, definitely the most

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Speaker 1: emotionally complex. He feels it so much. He feels sad

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Speaker 1: that he has guilt. He turns against Woody. Very relatable,

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Speaker 1: full of regret and guilt for for nothing. It really

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Speaker 1: is the most close analog for a woman's experience. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason that couldn't have been if we were going

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Speaker 1: to make a woman toy. I mean is constantly park

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Speaker 1: where all the dinosaurs are Fabale's Oh my god, can

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Speaker 1: I give you one more factor? Click to close the switch.

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Speaker 1: Josh Whedon saw Jurassic Park in the middle of making

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Speaker 1: Toy Story, and that's why Rex is there at all.

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Speaker 1: And I assume that's why Scud the dog like pops

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Speaker 1: his nose out from around a door. It's got to

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Speaker 1: be the raptors. It is a direct Drassic Park reference

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Speaker 1: and Toy Story two when they're riding through a toy

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Speaker 1: store and Rex is like coming up behind them in

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Speaker 1: the mirror of the side view mirror. It's it's wonderful. Um. Anyway, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm bored of these. Yes, you know, Drassic Park is cool. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think that's our show. So thank you for coming.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Sadie, Yes, give it up for

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Speaker 1: the Women in Comedy Festival, for the Rockwell, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming up a good night bye. Okay, that was Toys

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Speaker 1: Story live in both Philadelphia and Boston. Wow magic. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So we want to thank Sadie for being our guest.

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Speaker 1: You can check out her band, Speedy Ortiz or her

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Speaker 1: solo work. She's on Twitter and Instagram at sad s

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Speaker 1: a D one three Get it um, and her incredible band,

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Speaker 1: Speedy or Tees is on tour right now. The next

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Speaker 1: any of these places, They'll be in Brooklyn, New York,

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Speaker 1: can check out their website to find out more. What's

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Speaker 1: their website. You can go to Speedy Ortiz dot com

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Speaker 1: to find further tour dates. And thank you so much

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Speaker 1: to Sadie for being our guests. Indeed, hey, speaking of plugs,

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