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Speaker 2: It is verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with

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Speaker 2: you and Senator it seems to be a whole other

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Speaker 2: explosion of anti American rhetoric and many Americans now that

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 3: It's really a growing trend of anti Israel pro Hamas

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Speaker 3: protests in many instances, anti American protests. We're seeing them

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Speaker 3: in Dearborn, Michigan, We're seeing them in the United States Senate,

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Speaker 3: and sadly and in today's Democrat Party they're unable to

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Speaker 3: the heart of the Democrat Party. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: want to talk about what this trend is, and it

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Speaker 3: Well, it's getting much much worse. We saw in this

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Speaker 3: past week a huge protest in Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn, Michigan

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Speaker 3: was a rally they were having. It was an anti

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Speaker 3: This is in America. These are presumably Americans, or at

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Speaker 4: on this earth. It's not genocide, Joe, that has to go.

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Speaker 4: It's the entire system that has to go. Any system

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Speaker 1: Centered.

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Speaker 2: Not only were these anti Israel activists heard chanting death

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Speaker 3: Sadly, that's exactly right. The person speaking there is dearborn

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Speaker 3: to explain, he said, Imam Komani, the Ayatola who declared

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Speaker 3: Way, he's saying that about the former Iranian Ayatola, as

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Speaker 1: To go, and he goes on to side.

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Speaker 2: It's not only that, it's the fact that he also

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Speaker 2: A democratic representative, she leaves an area where she represents,

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Speaker 2: and she will not come out and condemn this either.

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Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right. And if you listen to what else, uh,

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Speaker 3: on to say, quote, so when these fools ask us,

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Speaker 3: This is who these radicals are. And as you noted,

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Speaker 5: Leipox News, I don't talk to Fox shot.

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Speaker 6: At a rally in your district, people were chanting death

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Speaker 1: Do you condemn not talk to Fox News? Do you

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Speaker 4: I don't talk to people that use racist tropes.

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Speaker 1: Why can't you.

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Speaker 6: Just say whether or not you condemn people chanting death

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Speaker 4: Are you afraid to talk to Fox News?

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Speaker 6: Is not not listen using racist tropes, where as my community.

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Speaker 6: Fox News is chanting death to America racist, talking.

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Speaker 1: About your guys racist tropes. You know, you guys know

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Speaker 5: I know you're flummable, but you guys got to go

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Speaker 4: Me on your own self.

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Speaker 2: It is Representative Rashid to leave saying she will not

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Speaker 3: Sadly, this is more and more the entire Democrat Party.

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Speaker 3: The terrifying thing is the people screaming death to America.

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Speaker 3: The people screaming death is Yes, that's the base of

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Speaker 3: That's who Chuck Schumer is listening to. That's who Joe

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that's really frightening. You look at these

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Speaker 1: So there's also another part of this.

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Speaker 2: It's a really weird dynamic, and that is how the

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Speaker 2: You also had protesters shouting at senators saying that the

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Speaker 2: And yet you don't see any of the leaders saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. They're shouting down hearings and

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Speaker 1: Give a listen.

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Speaker 2: Now, Senator, I just got to ask did you eat,

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Speaker 2: because they said you weren't gonna eat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually ate. And where they were is not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that tells you about the Democratic Party. And also,

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Speaker 3: By twenty twenty three, the picture was completely different. Only

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Speaker 3: twenty one percent as middle of the road, and sixty

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Speaker 3: seven percent of listeners said they were very or somewhat liberal.

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Speaker 3: We weren't just losing conservatives, we were also losing moderates

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Speaker 3: within NPR, and now, predictably, we don't have an audience

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Speaker 3: that reflects America. That wouldn't be a problem for an

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Speaker 3: openly polemical news outlet serving a niche audience, but for NPR,

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Speaker 3: which purports to consider all things, it's devastating both for

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Speaker 2: You listen to that, and it's a guy that's almost

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Speaker 2: like he's coming clean, realizing just how damaging what NPR

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Speaker 2: is doing to the country, and he's in paving it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in pain.

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Speaker 2: He also did an interview he set down talking about this,

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Speaker 2: and I want you to hear what he had to

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Speaker 2: say on honestly with Barry Rice.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Everyone knew that NPR had a liberal bent. It was

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Speaker 6: like saying these days, like Fox has a conservative bent.

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Speaker 6: That was obvious to anyone. But you argue that it's

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Speaker 6: really gone from having a liberal bent or a liberal shading,

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Speaker 6: to really a bias. Here's one thing you write in

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Speaker 6: your essay. You write for the majority of your time

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Speaker 6: at NPR, despite the liberal bend, an open minded, curious

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Speaker 6: culture prevailed we were nerdy, but not knee jerk activists

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Speaker 6: or scolding ori. When did that start to change? When

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Speaker 6: did the thing that everyone sort of recognized as sort

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Speaker 6: of a liberal bias start to shift into something harder

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Speaker 6: than that until what you call a knee jerk activist

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it was a accumulative I don't think

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Speaker 5: it was one event. I mean, I think part of

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Speaker 5: it was Trump's election. You know, I think, like every newsroom,

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Speaker 5: every Legacy meeting, is when we were shocked, disturbed, distraught,

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Speaker 5: really troubled. We assumed Hillary Clinton was going to win

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Speaker 5: and she didn't, and it was really an unsettling experience.

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Speaker 5: But I also think to me it revealed that we

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Speaker 5: didn't really understand a lot of what was going on

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Speaker 5: think also we kind of locked down after a while.

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Speaker 5: I think for a while we started covering Trump in

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Speaker 5: a way that that, like a lot of the Legacy

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Speaker 5: news news organization, that we were trying to damage his

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Speaker 5: presidency to even it's flying, anything we could to harm him.

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Speaker 5: And I think what we latched onto was Russia collusion.

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Speaker 5: Like a lot of news organizations which was, as I write,

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Speaker 5: sort of catnip. Although it was just rumors and a

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Speaker 5: lot of it based on pretty shoddy documents. Evidence there

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Speaker 5: wasn't It wasn't really solid, but I think it was.

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Speaker 5: It was compelling and for us, you know, I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of newspapers you know, used documents or anonymous sources.

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Speaker 5: We really latched onto Adam Schiff. He was like our

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Speaker 5: muse to the Trump collusion story. We had him on

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Speaker 5: constantly a lot. I think I counted twenty five times,

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Speaker 5: you know, and in most of those conversations he sort

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Speaker 5: of alluded to evidence he may have had or sort

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Speaker 5: of teased out, yeah, Russia, you know, he was coluding

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Speaker 5: or the campaign was colluding with Russia. And then the

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Speaker 5: Muller report came out and no collusion, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I think we sort of went to sort of the

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Speaker 5: story kind of disappeared. But to me, that was like

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Speaker 5: a time for like what went wrong? Why did we

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Speaker 5: miss this? Like, you know, despite our feelings about Trump,

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Speaker 5: this is a story we should have sort of treated differently.

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Speaker 2: You hear him say that they he said they were

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Speaker 2: trying to harm Trump. Now that is shocking for him

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Speaker 2: to say this because in translation center.

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Speaker 3: That means and stop, stop and repeat that for a second.

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Speaker 3: Stop and stop and repeat that for a second. This

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Speaker 3: is a senior editor at NPR. Mind you, they're finding

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Speaker 3: funded by US taxpayer dollars, and he is admitting the

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Speaker 3: entire institution and his words, was trying to harm Trump.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is a damning admission. And at some level,

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Speaker 3: as he noted in what I read a minute ago,

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Speaker 3: it was obvious to any conservative, but it says something

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Speaker 3: for a senior editor to go and blow the whistle

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Speaker 3: like this.

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Speaker 2: This NPR reminds me of Twitter before Elon Musk bought

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Speaker 2: it in many ways, where it's bloated, it's out of control,

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Speaker 2: it's activism. It's not run like a business because it's

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Speaker 2: subsidized by government taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with MPR existing center.

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Speaker 2: They should figure out how to do it the same

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Speaker 2: way that everybody else does in media, which is to

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Speaker 2: make money instead of us giving them our tax dollars

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Speaker 2: to them, as he described it, try to hurt Trump

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Speaker 2: every time they could, and it won't just be Trump

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Speaker 2: in the future, it will be any other conservative based

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Speaker 2: on what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they just went in against Trump. And

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Speaker 1: that was it.

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Speaker 2: They're going in against every conservative on every story out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me focus on two other segments of what

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Speaker 3: Uriberliner wrote. Quote, concerned by the lack of viewpoint diversity,

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Speaker 3: I looked at voter registration for our newsroom in DC,

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Speaker 3: where NPR is headquartered and many of us live. I

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Speaker 3: found eighty seven registered Democrats working in editorial positions and

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Speaker 3: zero Republicans.

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Speaker 1: None.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's not vague or ambiguous, that's not equivocal. That

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Speaker 3: is explicit. Let me read this other segment.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: In October twenty twenty, the New York Post published the

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Speaker 3: explosive report about the laptop hunter Biden abandoned at a

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Speaker 3: Delaware computer shop, containing emails about a sordid business deals.

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Speaker 3: With the election only weeks away, NPR turned a blind eye.

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Speaker 3: Here's how NPR's managing editor for News at the time

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Speaker 3: explained the thinking, quote, we don't want to waste our

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Speaker 3: time on stories that are not really stories, and we

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Speaker 3: don't want to waste our listeners and readers' times on

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Speaker 3: stories that are just pure distractions. But it wasn't a

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Speaker 3: pure distraction or product of Russian disinformation, as dozens of

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Speaker 3: former and current intelligence officials suggested the laptop did belong

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Speaker 3: to Hunter Biden, its contents revealed his connection to the

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Speaker 3: corrupt world of multimillion dollar influence peddling and its possible

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Speaker 3: implications for his father. The laptop was newsworthy, but the

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Speaker 3: timeless journalistic instinct of following a hot story lead was

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Speaker 3: being squelched. During a meeting with colleagues I listened as

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Speaker 3: one of NPR's best and most fair minded journalists said

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Speaker 3: it was good we weren't following the laptop story because

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Speaker 3: it could help Trump. When the essential facts of the

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Speaker 3: post reportings were confirmed and the emails verified independently about

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Speaker 3: a year and a half later, we could have fessed

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Speaker 3: up to our misjudgment, but like Russia collusion, we didn't

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Speaker 3: make the hard choice of transparency.

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Speaker 2: Why fix it if it's your ideology, right, If this

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Speaker 2: is what the ideology is, and it's being funded by taxpayers,

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Speaker 2: why stop?

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Speaker 1: Which brings me to my final question on this.

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Speaker 2: I've heard about this, and we've talked about this for

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years.

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Speaker 2: How on earth are they getting this type of government funding,

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Speaker 2: especially now if we know this from someone that worked

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Speaker 2: there for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to say the NPR. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: If this is what your mission is, go and do it,

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Speaker 2: but you're not going to do it subsidized by taxpayers.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I would eliminate the funding for NPR tomorrow. That's

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do. We shouldn't be in the

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Speaker 3: business of funding NPR. The problem is every Democrat wants

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Speaker 3: to spend your taxpayer dollars funding NPR because why wouldn't

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Speaker 3: you if you're a leftist, why wouldn't you be willing

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Speaker 3: to to use taxpayer dollars to fund a propaganda outlet

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Speaker 3: for your view? And I got to tell you in

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Speaker 3: the budget battles, too many Republicans are scared of taking

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Speaker 3: on NPR, and so between the two it keeps going. Look,

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Speaker 3: I actually think it speaks volume that where Uri Berliner

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Speaker 3: wrote this was the free Press. The Free Press was

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Speaker 3: started by Barry Weiss. Berry Weiss resigned from the editorial

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Speaker 3: board of The New York Times and wrote a letter.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't read the letter, we may do a

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Speaker 3: podcast where we just read the letter, because it's something

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Speaker 3: I actually think should be taught in every journalism class

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Speaker 3: in America. It is a letter where and listen Bury,

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Speaker 3: by our own description is left of center. She's a

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Speaker 3: liberal Democrat or voter for Obama twice, but she was horrified.

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Speaker 3: And actually Barry's resignation letter reads very much like Urie

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Speaker 3: Berliner's article. They are both people left of center who

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Speaker 3: actually believe in some modicum of free speech, some modicum

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Speaker 3: of fairness, and they look at the corruption of institutions

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Speaker 3: they respected. I look at Uriy Berlinner, and I'm reminded

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Speaker 3: of John F. Kennedy's famous speech at the Berlin wall

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Speaker 3: Ick ben I and Berliner, which which he thought meant

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Speaker 3: that that that he was a Berliner, a resident of Berlin,

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Speaker 3: but actually it was poorly translated German. And what the

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Speaker 3: better translation was is I am a jelly donut, which

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Speaker 3: which was not JFK's finest moment. But nonetheless I feel

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Speaker 3: the same sentiments. Urray Berlinner and I may disagree on

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Speaker 3: a lot of things, but I'm proud to stand with

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Speaker 3: Ariray Berlinner for daring to speak the truth, because free

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Speaker 3: speech matters, and I actually think it matters. I met

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Speaker 3: recently with the CEO of a major journalistic enterprise. I

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Speaker 3: won't say who it is, and I told him, I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: I actually believe in a free press. I defend you

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Speaker 3: even when you kick the crap out of me, even

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Speaker 3: when you attack me, because I think it's in I's

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Speaker 3: and vibrant press. But when you guys are just corrupt ideologues,

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Speaker 3: when you're just propagandists, it hurts the entire country. And

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Speaker 3: so I give a big shout out to Urib Berliner,

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Speaker 3: like Barry Weiss, on whose platform he wrote this, There

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Speaker 3: are a handful of liberals, and I actually want to

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Speaker 3: call out Listen. I don't know that many fair minded

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Speaker 3: liberals in the media listen to Verdict, although we're close

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Speaker 3: to a million listeners, so maybe there are. If you're

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Speaker 3: a fair minded liberal working in the media and you

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Speaker 3: don't like the bias and propaganda, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: you're suddenly conservative and a right winger, that's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: We can have reasonable discussions. But when people speak out

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Speaker 3: like Urie Berliner and Barry Weiss, it makes a difference,

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Speaker 3: and we need more people to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, don't forget.

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