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We're going to 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.400 try and use this more often, especially when we get 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.080 on the road to the Senior Bowl next week, to 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.840 the Combine. Hopefully you folks will fall along with that 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.320 and get your fixed the Draft Show. So with all 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.239 that being said, I want to get into we got 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.280 the Senior Bowl now, and you know, the season being 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.040 over for the Cowboys, season being over for a lot 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.880 of teams. Here's four teams left. But now we move 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.480 on to the next phase and the Senior Bowl. Dane 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.000 and you know, the the other game. But we got 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.000 the NFL Players Association games, you know, the East West Game, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.920 but the really the one that we tend to focus 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.120 on on our end of it is the Senior Bowl. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.400 And we focus on the Senior Bowl because the Senior 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.920 Bowl last year brought us names like Dak Prescott, Carson Wentz, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:55.360 Dion Jones, so many names, Sterling Shepherd, Yeah, Cody Whitehead guy, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.840 you absolutely love Hargrave. Who you recommended for the Senior 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.960 Bowl to bring in, Noah Spence, Braxton Miller, Kenneth Dixon, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.839 Blake Martinez who's going to play in the championship game 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.880 this week in for Green Bay. So as we focus 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.560 on the Senior Bowl, some names stain. I mean, it 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.520 maybe doesn't have the d that doesn't have the star 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:22.880 power that we've seen in previous Senior Bowls, namely last year. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.640 But there's a good group of names of guys that 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.760 we need to focus on for this for this particular game. Yeah, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.920 there's no question, and the Senior Bowl is unique. I 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.440 think everyone thinks of the offseason in the draft process. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.760 First name that comes to our first word that comes 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.920 to mind as the combine. Yeah, but the Senior Bowl 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.160 is so important because when you think about it, it's 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.880 the last event where that we're doing actual football things. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.000 I mean they're wearing pads, they're wearing equipment. You know, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.680 they're on a football field outside where you know the 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.800 combine it's shorts and a T shirt, right, individual workouts 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.240 the Pro days. You know, it's a lot like we 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.960 see at Pro Days, the same event at these guys 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.160 having Wren shorts and T shirts. In a while, let's 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.640 be real, they're wearing like Nike bodysuits now. But your 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.479 point as well, man, Yeah, exactly. So that's why you 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.960 know the Senior Bowl, and it's really when the coaches 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.480 start to get involved in the draft process. Right, the scouts, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.320 they've been on the road all fall. They have a 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.560 good idea of who these guys are the general managers. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.839 But for the coaches, who are so invested in the 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.120 NFL season now, this is really their first impression of 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.240 a lot of these prospects. And to give you just 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.120 a brief idea of the players that will be in 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.120 Mobile next week. In my Top fifty which I just 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.760 released this week and we'll talk about yes later, seventeen 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.520 seniors on my Top fifty and nine will be in Mobile. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.320 So eight have pulled out, Ruben Foster, Corey Davis, some 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.760 of the top guys, but there's plenty of talent. OJ Howard, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.200 the talented tight end from Alabama. Tack McKinley was supposed 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.839 to go, he pulled out. Forrest Lamp, the talented offensive 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.240 linement from Western Kentucky will be there. Evan ingram Ole, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:58.760 Miss Hassan Reddick Temple, George Lewis Michigan, Ryan Anderson Alabama 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.719 to Davious White, LSU Desmond King Iowa. Guy will be 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.320 talking about a lot, Dan Feeni Indiana. So the all 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.280 these guys are projected top two rounds and they'll all 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.680 be immobile with a chance to move up and help themselves. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.239 And I'm gonna spend this real quick because I mean, okay, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.120 it's not as sexy a list as the one you 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.080 just read from last year, but the Cowboys are picking 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.920 twenty eighth. So there were several names. Yeah, there were 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.520 several names that came to mind when Dane started running 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.839 down his list of guys. You know, and I really 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.960 like the of the sorry of the guys you've just 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.039 read off. I like a lot of their chances of 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 being around for the Cowboys to pick. O. J. Howard 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.920 was one. We talked about it. I know people out there. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.479 Don't want me to start talking about the draft process 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.479 and talking about a tight end, but he is, you know, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.200 depending on what you think about the butt kid from 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.640 Michigan who's now injured, or what you think about with 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.479 Oj Howard. You know, McKinley was another one. I feel 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.240 like though even looking at this, you know, and you 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.720 look at the strength potentially of this draft, and we're 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.360 gonna get into a bunch of these guys, But defensive 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.960 end seems to be a position. Even though McKenley is 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.360 listed as an outside linebacker on your top fifty, he's 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.520 an outside linebacker in a defensive end right, So you 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.920 you have that, you know there's players, and it's ashamed 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.240 that he is not going to be a part of this, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.040 but I think that, you know, if you're looking for, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.600 if you're a team, it's also looking maybe at an 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.200 offensive tackle. You know, we we've talked about maybe a 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.480 team looking at offensive line even guard type players and 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.000 stuff like that. Uh, you know, Fenie the kid from Indiana. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.680 You talked about Lamp as another one too, and and 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.240 and and just talk about if you would lamp really quick, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.840 lamp quickly about Yeah, I love him, I need that job. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.680 But but but yeah, but you you kind of in 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.240 your thought process about LAMB, you kind of see maybe 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.440 what we had with a couple of years ago with 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.280 Zach Martin, Zach Martin's and that's and you start talking 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.640 about comparison, and you can you can address Zack Martin, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.680 Dave and what he's meant to this organization. Anybody that's 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.480 listening to this, I have a feeling, yes, as all 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.800 about Zack Martin. And he really helped Zack Martin in 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.560 twenty fourteen. He went into the Senior Bowl week as 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.320 a player most thought would probably be a first rounder 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.320 when he left Mobile. Oh he's a lock first rounder. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.160 This is where Daron donalds. But yeah, here's where the 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.680 three guys that could block Aaron Donald can? Can Lamp 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.080 be that guy? And Zack Martin was a four year 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.719 starter at left tackle at tackle, Yes, attack and that 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.400 same thing with what you're seeing this as a projection 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.760 then right, exactly the same thing with Lamp. He's a 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.440 four year starter at left tackle for Western Kentucky. Uh, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:42.840 And I know a lot of people are thinking all 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.800 Western Kentucky. You know, Conference USA didn't face top tier talent. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.080 Watch his tape against Alabama. Yeah, watch him against Jonathan 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.360 Allen Tim Williams, two talented pass rushers who bring different 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.839 skill sets. Allan's obviously more power, tim Williams more speed. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.880 He handled both and I like him better inside at guard. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.880 He's similar to Zach Martin when I say could he 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.959 stay outside and play tackle? Probably he could probably get 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.079 away with it, but you move him inside to guard. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.839 He's an all pro, so a very talented player. I'll 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.960 play devil's advocate when we talk about, you know, maybe 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.839 some of the top guys passing on the chance to 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.880 be in Mobile. Honestly, do we really need to see 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.319 Jonathan Allen and Dabiel? I mean we know who he is. Really, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.280 I'm more excited about who's going to replace him. And 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.719 it's another chance for one of these mid rounders to 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.640 help himself. Yeah, that's where and Dave, we you know 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.400 when we go down there and Dane brought it up, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.760 coach's first opportunity. You listen to what the scouts limit this. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.079 Dak Prescott was really a coach driven pick. Yeah, you 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.840 know they that scouts kind of felt like with Jamille Showers, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.640 they had that they had that guy. They Dak Prescott 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.640 kind of guy. But you know, here they are. They 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.840 get to coach in the game, they get to see 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.800 they had firsthand, they get to interview all those things. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.960 I mean, this is just a great opportunity. I mean, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.760 after the way the Cowboys draft went last year, you know, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.120 I think it started off with a really good week 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.640 at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, and I mean I'm glad 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.280 they're not coaching in it because I don't mean they 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.199 had a terrible year, but I think that was invaluable 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.040 for and not I mean obviously Dak was on the 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.320 other team anyway, So not just with Dak, but right, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.320 you get your hands on a lot of guy. I mean, 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.240 obviously they didn't pick him, but it gave you a 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.240 great head start with Carson Wentz, and I mean a 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.319 guy that they liked a lot. Nobody had a better 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.800 grasp on Carson Wentz than the Cowboys after getting to 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.720 practice with him for a week. You know, I'm looking 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.480 at the list though of guys, and a guy that 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.760 I highlighted was that DeShawn Hall from Texas A and M. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.240 And everybody's familiar with Eric Miles Garrett on the other side, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.240 but talk a little bit about DeShawn Hall and really 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.760 what he at Texas A and M what he was 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.160 able to accomplish now getting an opportunity, there's a defensive 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.319 end guy. There's a guy with some link, There's a 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.520 guy with some range six five, two seventy, you know, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.440 like his motor. Yeah, exactly, you had a chance. Okay, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.480 you know I sat down and watched. I got to work. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.960 You know, the season ended Sunday. I'm doing my best, 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.120 he goes. But talk about that what you saw him. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.400 I mean, you know, being an lttle shoe guy, you're 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.719 familiar with the SEC opponents though, but talk about what 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.360 you saw yesterday watching Hall on tape a little bit. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.920 Like the thing that stood out to me the most 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.679 was just his motor, Like he got everywhere, even when 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.079 the play got when it got past him, he was 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.240 there to make the backside tackle or if it was 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.920 on the other side of the field, he always wound 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.400 up in the pile anyway. Just he's not a and 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.719 you know, he's not the star pass rusher for A 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.440 and M. That's Myles Garrett, so he probably can't afford 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.120 to do that. But I didn't see him taking plays off. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.080 And I mean what. We watched him for a half 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.800 hour or more exactly, and he I mean he was 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.800 given great effort on every snap that I watched. So 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.280 that's the thing that stood out to me the most. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.120 And then the other thing is for pass rushers, especially 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.800 like you talk about Randy Gregory and guys that I 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.960 look at your size coming out of college. Yeah, because 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.040 I don't want to have five to seven There's something 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.920 too that, right, big dude, I don't want to have 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.160 to spend time like bulking you up and getting you 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.280 in NFL shape. So his size and his effort stood 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.960 out to me immediate. But we find in that though, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.880 is there a combination and mix And I'll let you 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.760 talk about hal but we find in there's a little 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.679 bit of the two fifty five guy Tim Williams at Alabama. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.320 Are we finding there's a little bit of a two 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.199 seventy two sixty five guys and then that two fifty 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.360 five guys the two hundred and fifty five pound guys. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.959 You know, whether it be the kid at Missouri, you 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.640 know that kind of mean aston from from Lawson from 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.920 Alburn's another one too. Yeah, And when you're building a 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.840 pass rusher prototypically you want the six five, two eighty 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.959 long arms, but still a freak athlete. You know, you 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.240 want Jadeveon Clowney, but not all pass rushers come in 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.959 that package. And I think this plenty of guys in 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.280 this draft will show that Carl Lawson's one of them. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.719 He's that yeah, Brandon Graham type of rusher who he 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.800 was going to be at the Senior Bowl but didn't 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.480 have enough credits to graduate in time, so he will 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.160 not be at the Senior Bowl, but still a terrific 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.560 player who I think will be in play at twenty 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.000 eight for the Cowboys. Yeah, I too, I agree with 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.520 you there on that. I liked watch and Loss and Play. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.959 I thought there was I thought there was that explosive 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.040 edge player. You know, put his hand down, he could, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.040 he could stand up, he could kind of do a 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.400 lot of different things. I like the way he attacked 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.080 the corner of these offens. Attack and Day brought up 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.719 a point that I don't think gets talked about enough 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.760 when you're talking about the edge rusher. The ability to 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.280 rate to retrace with these quarterbacks move the way they 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.600 do in the pocket, if you go up the field, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.559 your ability to get back inside and capture the quarterback 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.760 when he's on the move. I think it's a very 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.560 underrated trait that we're seeing with these with these defensive 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.400 most blockers can't account for that. They don't have the 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.440 counter measures to deal with that. With all their momentum 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.920 going one way, it's a lot easier for guys like 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.959 Loss and others to cut back inside. And you know, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.920 it's something that I think we're seeing throughout the league 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.319 where you don't have to be that Jadeveon Clowney to 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.160 make an impact. And there's plenty of undersized edge rushers 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.640 who are being used different ways, attack the pocket from 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.520 different angles. Right Laramy Tunsel, who was the top tackle 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.200 last year and last year's draft, he said Carl Awston 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.199 was the toughest rusher he faced. So the high praise 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.160 for the Auburn kid. If as long as the medicals 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.680 checkout for Lawson, he's a guy, we'll be talking about 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.440 plenty that you see. And that's something you brought up 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.000 to that we you know, as when you're evaluating these kids, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.400 you're really evaluating the tape. I mean, the scouts have 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:22.040 the opportunity with the interviews, the medical you know, we 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.680 you know, those are the things you always I mean 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.920 last year, I just remember evaluating Noah Spence on what 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.680 Noah Spence was as a player, and how the lofty 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.600 expectations I had for Noah Spence. But then you start 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.840 getting into character issues, problems at Ohio State, you know, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.000 and Dane talked about it wouldn't bother you though, No, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.480 it never bothers me. You know, it never bothers me. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.880 I mean what bothered me was that Dane was as 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.080 right as he was about Joey Bosa. I'll admit that now. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.840 I mean I still think that. I still think that 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.480 Greg Els and I. Hey, the Draft Show always welcome opinions, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.840 always welcome opinions. Okay, we don't need to delve back. Well, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.160 but to your point we were talking. You know, I 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.360 put a clip up on Twitter last night, you guys 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.120 talking up Malik Collins for all of the criticism that 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.000 you got and the show got for being down on 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.880 Joey Bosa. I found a clip last night in the 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.160 show the week before the Draft where we were like, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.360 everybody calmed down, Joey Bosa is a great player. Yeah, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.680 we we criticize everybody on this show. You look into 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.640 everything it's not like we thought he was a bad 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.400 place and I think it got fun that way. That's okay, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.840 I mean, and it won't be surprised if Miles Garrett 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.640 not on this show. Maybe, but just you know, around 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.560 all the noise, Miles Garrett gets a similar rap where 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.760 you know he only had what eight sacks this year? 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.840 Or yeah, maybe you know we start he's been the 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.880 number one guys. If I call him Joey Bosa is 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.440 at a compliment? It is? It is now. I mean, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.080 Miles Garret has been number one guy since the number 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.360 and so we're just everyone's poke holes get ready for 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.840 between now and April whatever, twenty eighth, we will find 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.160 a reason to pick that guy apart. Yeah, that's that's 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.960 the thing about it. And he is he is clear 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.960 the clear number one player on a lot of people's boards. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.000 Another player that I think when we get to Dane, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:05.400 and we're gonna do this a little bit later in 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.640 the show, Dane put out his top top fifty and 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.040 I think it's a very interesting list. There's some names 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.440 I want to go through, but you know, I'll throw 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.160 a name out there. I think that people are going 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.600 to attack and that's and that's the Peppers kid from Michigan. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.160 Don't get too much into that. You're stealing my thunder 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.360 for the next segment. Okay, when we'll get to that though, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.080 But yeah, I want to. I definitely want to get 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.320 into that about Peppers. But that's that's the thing with 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.440 no clear cut quarterback and we we really I don't 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.680 think there was really a clear cut and refresh me 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.200 last year who they had, who was the the top guy, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.520 who not the top quarterback? Who was the player that 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.040 we were everybody was thinking about was going to be 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.640 the consensus number one overall? That would you remember quarterback? No? 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.680 Just in general, I'm trying to think of the players 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:58.680 like Ramsey's unsel Ramsey Treadwell was another one. I mean, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.400 people were talking about a lot of different guys up there, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.840 So I mean, I think it is the process goes on. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.800 Oh you're gonna see guys go up that thing, and 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.280 I think what's gonna happen too, is you're gonna see 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.119 guys come down that it's the media scouts And I'm 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.720 not talking about us here, Dane or you know what 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.159 you do with CBS. I just think that there's the 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.000 Kipers and those guys that will push guys like Peppers 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.280 and them way up the board. Then all of a sudden, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.400 the scouts start whispering to Dane at the Senior Bowl 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.040 or whispering to me, hey man, that Peppers, where are 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.239 you gonna play him? Gonna are you gonna play him? 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.760 But Miles Garrett could be the very same thing that 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.640 the sack numbers and all that, and people might say, hey, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.800 Haul on the other side really was a better player. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.320 On the opposite side of that, we weren't really talking about. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.320 Carson Wentz says that it can't miss the top five 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.760 guy until we got back from Mobile, right, and that 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.360 was another experience that Zeke did not join the top 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.480 ten conversation until closer to the combine. I always remember 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.359 thinking about Zeke though, there was some fundamental differences about 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.640 not the player, but where where you would take him? Right, Yeah, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.480 And I think that and that's something that we're gonna 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.800 get into in the show is there's some running backs 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.600 in this draft, and Dane Brugler's got got several of 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.240 them in his top fifty. And now do we see 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.119 a shift and people saying, you know what, you got 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.399 to go back to running the football. You gotta go 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.440 back to being a physical team. And do you take 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:25.160 a shot Cowboys, the Florida State, Yeah, Pittsburgh Steward, Well, exactly, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.280 I promise you. On draft Day in April, someone on 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.359 the ESPN NFL network, it will be said, well, the 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.080 Cowboys did this last year with Zekiel Elliot. Now Team 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:35.760 X is trying to do the same thing with Leonard 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.040 Fournette or Dalvin Cook. It was sound like we said 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:39.680 word for word on draft day. And you sound like 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.120 you kind of still disagree with that, don't you. Well, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.359 and I thought, no, I exactly. I mean the running 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.359 back position, if the player is good enough and the 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.600 situation is right, then it makes sense in the top ten, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.080 top twenty. Yeah, but you know I don't think that. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.240 I mean, Zeke's such a special player. If Zeke was 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.359 in this class, he's the number one running back. And 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.160 this is a statue. Is he the number one player 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.560 in the draft? Well, I mean, I'm just based on 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.040 draft grade, based on the grade that we had last yet, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.560 not what we know what he did as a rookie, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.639 but just based on draft grade, he would be the 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.040 top running back in this group. It's a good group, though, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.280 I think very good. If you get trying to play copycat, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.280 you better have the line. You better have the line. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.520 Now you're right, Okay, we're gonna take our first break 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.960 here when we come back. We got we got the 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.560 senior bull taking care of a couple of guys to 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.879 look at. Right there. We'll be down there coverage Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.120 have draft shows down there. We're gonna take a break 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:26.520 right now. When we come back. I want to go 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.159 to Twitter on the twenty. I want to get some 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.119 of your questions in and make sure you hit us 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:32.959 at the Draft show. We'll get you a question, Dave. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.199 We'll read him Dan and I wall do our very 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.840