Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. This week's story of the
Speaker 1: week is a seventy seven year old murder, but it's
Speaker 1: it's still in the headlines because it hasn't been solved yet.
Speaker 1: Where you want to talk about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this past Monday, January fifteenth is the seventy
Speaker 2: seventh anniversary of the Black Dahlia murder. For those of
Speaker 2: you who are not familiar, you must not be a
Speaker 2: true crime fan because this is one of the most
Speaker 2: famous true crime cases of all. This twenty two year
Speaker 2: old woman, Elizabeth Short. Her body was found cut in half,
Speaker 2: drained of blood, organs moved around a smile carved into
Speaker 2: her face. Very disturbing case to see this poor woman
Speaker 2: and her child walked upon the scene, thought it was
Speaker 2: a mannequin lying in the ground, only to realize it
Speaker 2: was this woman. So this case was in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 1: It has gone.
Speaker 2: It is the one of the oldest popular cold cases
Speaker 2: in true crime history. There's much speculation about who committed
Speaker 2: the crime and how it was done, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of been all over the place, and there's no conclusive answers,
Speaker 2: and now that I think it's safe to say that
Speaker 2: whoever killed this poor woman is probably dead. This case
Speaker 2: will never really officially be solved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so we did since it was that
Speaker 1: seventy seventh anniversary, we are doing in the gross room
Speaker 1: a two part high profile death dis section, going through
Speaker 1: all of the details of the case exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So that's what we did this week, and then next
Speaker 1: week we're going to go over the autopsy, what they
Speaker 1: found in the autopsy and why that was significant, and
Speaker 1: also we're going to talk about the investigation and why
Speaker 1: it's still a cold case. I think one of the
Speaker 1: most shocking parts of the investigation is that there is
Speaker 1: a man who is convinced that his father killed this woman,
Speaker 1: and he has a pretty convincing story. But then there
Speaker 1: was another book written about another person who also there
Speaker 1: is a very convincing story that he was the one
Speaker 1: that killed her too. But just even to read the
Speaker 1: autopsy report and just about the details of this case,
Speaker 1: it's very very disturbing how this woman was killed, and
Speaker 1: she was killed in such a way that with such
Speaker 1: precision that they believe it was a person that had
Speaker 1: medical or anatomy knowledge as far as how well she
Speaker 1: was dissected basically, and just other disturbing parts of the case.
Speaker 1: She had a tattoo on her leg apparently that was
Speaker 1: carved out and show into her vagina. And she had,
Speaker 1: like Maria said, a smile carved into her face, which
Speaker 1: is called a Glasgow smile. And it's a very specific
Speaker 1: injury that was common in the early or the twenties,
Speaker 1: early twentieth century with gangs, and it still continues today.
Speaker 1: But it's when you cut someone from the corner of
Speaker 1: their mouth to their ear and it creates a smile.
Speaker 1: And the thought is is that you torture the person
Speaker 1: and you either punch them, kick them in the genital,
Speaker 1: stab them, or do something to make them scream, and
Speaker 1: when they scream, this incision rips open even further, causing
Speaker 1: really horrible scars if you actually survive it. But I
Speaker 1: thought that that was one of the most interesting parts
Speaker 1: of this case because of the time period it happened.
Speaker 1: What's the significance of that when it was popular in
Speaker 1: another country and it really wasn't a popular thing to
Speaker 1: do here. The whole case is just it is so
Speaker 1: bizarre and it's sad that she'll never get justice, you know.
Speaker 1: But another interesting thing, though, is that she really wanted
Speaker 1: to be a Hollywood actress and she's she became super
Speaker 1: famous in her death, which is an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very sad, and an element I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to you about is even though they've narrowed it
Speaker 2: down to a few suspects who each have convincing cases
Speaker 2: of why they're involved, so many people came forward and
Speaker 2: confess to this crime. And I would love to have
Speaker 2: our friend of the show, doctor Shaham das on soon
Speaker 2: to kind of talk about the psychology of why there's
Speaker 2: all these false confessions to crimes. We see this a
Speaker 2: lot with a lot of popular cases that just people
Speaker 2: will come forward and make this confession that have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with it, and it's so bizarre to me
Speaker 2: that they're fending off sometimes hundreds of fake confessions.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That actually that happened with John Bena Ramsey, remember
Speaker 1: some guy. Yeah, that is true. We should make a
Speaker 1: note to talk to Sean about that and see what
Speaker 1: he thinks, because it is very weird that I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just people that are lost that want
Speaker 1: some kind of notoriety or something. But yeah, why would
Speaker 1: you confess to something that you didn't do and then
Speaker 1: possibly go to jail for it when you didn't do
Speaker 1: it. It's it's just like kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really a bummer because even if the
Speaker 2: man that came forward that was a retired LAPD detective,
Speaker 2: he had said in an interview that he collected so
Speaker 2: much evidence that he brought it to his friends at
Speaker 2: the district attorney, and they said that there was enough
Speaker 2: evidence that if his father was still alive, they would
Speaker 2: have brought the case to trial, saying that though it
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that that man would have been convicted.
Speaker 2: So it's even though we could potentially figure out who
Speaker 2: did it with all this like online sleuthing and having
Speaker 2: all these people reopen this case, it doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: because whoever murdered her is now probably more than away
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: Yeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got away with it. So her crime
Speaker 2: is just never going to be solved and we're never
Speaker 2: going to know why she was killed and why it
Speaker 2: was so gruesome and horrific. We just don't see cases
Speaker 2: of this level that often fortunately, but it's really sad
Speaker 2: to see that she became famous in the most negative way.
Speaker 2: And this case is definitely really intriguing, and I'd be
Speaker 2: interested to see if just more information trickles out over
Speaker 2: the years.
Speaker 1: We don't have any that many cases in the celebrity
Speaker 1: section this week. Well there was a lot of repeat
Speaker 1: stories about just Shannon Dougherty and but it's we don't
Speaker 1: need to document every single, every single moment of these
Speaker 1: people's lives and their anticipated deaths. But one story that
Speaker 1: stock out to us this week was that an actor
Speaker 1: from All My Children who was only fifty years old died.
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about him? His name's Alec Mooser,
Speaker 1: Alec Muser. Did you watch this show when it was
Speaker 1: on All My Children? Yeah no, but like my mom did,
Speaker 1: how old? But how old could he have been on it?
Speaker 1: Because it was out when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: I mean they're talking about this the soap opera.
Speaker 2: This is the show that Kelly Rippa met her husband
Speaker 2: Mark and Swilas on they're both on this show.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Like my my mom watched one
Speaker 1: of them, but like one of my friends growing up,
Speaker 1: her parents watched one of them too, like all the
Speaker 1: time it was really weird. I just never got into them.
Speaker 1: I thought they were so weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was on in the nineties.
Speaker 2: But anyway, this guy, just Alec Muser, just died and
Speaker 2: he was fifty years old, which is so young to die.
Speaker 2: His fiance is saying he had a severe case of
Speaker 2: COVID prior to his death, which she is believing to
Speaker 2: be relevant to why he's dead. But we're still pending
Speaker 2: an official cause of death, pending autopsy results. But he
Speaker 2: is very young to have just suddenly died.
Speaker 1: Yet she said that he had he was fully vaccinated
Speaker 1: and boosted and all that stuff. But the autopsy will tell.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird that she's saying I think that's
Speaker 1: why he died, because I'm like, wouldn't you know that
Speaker 1: he was in the hospital and what they have told
Speaker 1: you that was why he died. I don't know. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: i mean I'm assuming it. They're they're engaged that she
Speaker 1: was involved in the process. But yeah, I mean, the
Speaker 1: autopsy will tell. They'll take sections of the long and
Speaker 1: they'll do viral testing and they'll be able to figure
Speaker 1: out if just because even if he is positive with COVID,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that that's what killed him. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to see if that was his cause of
Speaker 1: death or maybe, because not only does it cause like
Speaker 1: a severe pneumonia, but it also could cause clotting issues
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: So they'll they'll see all that at autopsy, So we'll
Speaker 1: we'll report back.
Speaker 2: To you when we get the results on that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he died at his home, so I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2: They were also saying that he had just posted a
Speaker 2: couple of days before that he was surfing. As we
Speaker 2: know with social media, you could definitely be surfing and
Speaker 2: wait like four months to post a picture, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that surfing that day. But it is
Speaker 2: sad to see that he was possibly going through a
Speaker 2: really hard time and really sick and then suddenly died
Speaker 2: and maybe the COVID kind of just just knocked them off,
Speaker 2: and he had some other underlying condition that we're just
Speaker 2: not aware of.
Speaker 1: So we'll let everybody. Yeah, and I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: I would use the word severe COVID if he wasn't
Speaker 1: even hospitalized for it. He just maybe he just had
Speaker 1: a bad cold. I don't know, but whatever. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: there's no sense of speculating. We'll find out eventually. All right,
Speaker 1: freak accidents this week. This one is something that I
Speaker 1: really always think looks so beautiful in the air and
Speaker 1: want to do it, but I'm scared to death for
Speaker 1: this very reason. So new fear unlocked.
Speaker 2: And new thing I learned also is that you could
Speaker 2: skydive out of a hot air balloon.
Speaker 1: But that's not even the problem in this case. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know that either, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: people are crazy. I'm just not I'm not that breeze.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So thirteen people were on board of this hot air
Speaker 2: balloon in the Arizona Desert. Eight of those were skydivers
Speaker 2: that successfully jumped out and completed their journey shortly after
Speaker 2: the real issue began. So something happened that caused the
Speaker 2: balloon to crash into the desert terrain and the five
Speaker 2: remaining people on board. Out of the five remaining people
Speaker 2: on board, four of them died and one is in
Speaker 2: critical condition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to survive
Speaker 1: something like that. I guess there's different ways that you
Speaker 1: can die. You can get I think one got like
Speaker 1: wrapped up in electrical wires a couple of years, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: which I don't even want to think about that, but
Speaker 1: there could be fires and just blunt trauma from from
Speaker 1: a really high height. Kind of surprised that someone even
Speaker 1: did survive, but maybe they won't even pull through. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, hopefully they do, but I can't
Speaker 1: imagine what their story is gonna be telling this. It's
Speaker 1: so it's just so scary. But I mean, if you
Speaker 1: ever look at them up in the air, they just
Speaker 1: look so cool and so beautiful, and obviously so many
Speaker 1: people do it all the time and they don't have
Speaker 1: any problems. But it's just it's just kind of this
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't need to exist, and it's a huge risk.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I imagine that if you
Speaker 1: actually did it, Like what if you go up and
Speaker 1: you freak out so bad because you're so high and
Speaker 1: you're like in the corner of the basket crying. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I picture I would be doing.
Speaker 2: So I have this like pop culture moment ingrained in
Speaker 2: my brain, which is remember I used to watch as
Speaker 2: a little kid that Amanda Show with Amanda Bindes which
Speaker 2: is a little kid. There is this get on that
Speaker 2: show where her mom was lost in a hot air
Speaker 2: balloon somewhere and they would show her floating around like
Speaker 2: wondering how the daughter was doing. And I feel like
Speaker 2: it was called Moody's point or something. It was making
Speaker 2: fun of a dramatic show. But I just that's like
Speaker 2: permanently in my brain associated with hot air balloons, and
Speaker 2: I always think about that. And then we have the
Speaker 2: hot air balloon at art at the Philadelphia Zoo.
Speaker 1: Is that even still open? I don't know. Every single
Speaker 1: I've never been to me neither. I didn't even go
Speaker 1: because that one's kind of controlled because it's attached to strings,
Speaker 1: so it goes up like a certain amount, and then
Speaker 1: it can't go anymore because it's attached to the ground.
Speaker 1: Every time I went to the zoo, it was like
Speaker 1: it was not open, so I never got a chance
Speaker 1: to go on it. I don't even know if they
Speaker 1: do it anymore, but it's kind I.
Speaker 2: Also remember I also remember being a little kid driving
Speaker 2: on seventy six and you being like, look, it's going on.
Speaker 2: You can see it, so as a little kid, it's
Speaker 2: cool to see. I totally agree with you. They're very beautiful.
Speaker 2: And do you ever see they do the hot air
Speaker 2: balloon festivals where there's a bunch of them in the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might be interested in just going and like
Speaker 1: looking at that, not really being involved any other way.
Speaker 2: I'm good because there was another case where in Mexico
Speaker 2: one caught on fire and people, yeah, severely injured.
Speaker 1: Hot air balloons are like they're so eighties. They used
Speaker 1: to like when I was a kid that used to
Speaker 1: sell these posters that you would like hang up in
Speaker 1: your room of hot air balloons, you know how like
Speaker 1: unicorns were popular, it was like hot air balloons were
Speaker 1: all the rage. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: It's a popular nursery theme. Right now, I've noticed a lot.
Speaker 2: All right, so everything old is new again.
Speaker 1: This case, this next freak accident is it's scary and
Speaker 1: I feel like even though the mom was probably mostly
Speaker 1: in the wrong in this case, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is something that probably could have happened to me because
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's it's easy.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thankful you said that because I was going
Speaker 2: to point up as well. Yeah, because so let's tell
Speaker 2: you what happened. So there was this family in Charlotte,
Speaker 2: North Carolina, and they wanted to go out to lunch,
Speaker 2: so they went to this place that was called the
Speaker 2: Common Market, and it is described as.
Speaker 1: An uncommon convenience store, deli and bar. So first, if
Speaker 1: I'm traveling and I read that, I want to go
Speaker 1: to a place like that because I want to go
Speaker 1: to somewhere fun. When it says uncommon, I wouldn't think.
Speaker 1: I would just think that they had I don't know,
Speaker 1: some like fancy or food or something. Instead of a
Speaker 1: club sandwich, it might be like curried chicken club sandwich.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't I wouldn't expect what happened. So the mom went
Speaker 1: with her her young son and they bought these freeze
Speaker 1: dried skittles, and the kid wanted to try them. And
Speaker 1: we were just on a trip and the freeze dried
Speaker 1: candy was like all the rage on the whole trip.
Speaker 1: So this same exact thing happened to me. The kids
Speaker 1: were like, can we get these freeze dried peach rings
Speaker 1: or whatever? And I'm like, okay, sure, and they bought them.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at the bag. I mean, we were
Speaker 1: in a candy store. So maybe that's why I don't
Speaker 1: know I didn't look at the bag to see like
Speaker 1: what was in it or whatever. But so she buys
Speaker 1: these skittles for her kid, and the kid eats the
Speaker 1: skittles and then it ends up that they're THHC. They
Speaker 1: have the delta nine THHC in them, and they're they're
Speaker 1: like weed candy. And the kid ate most of the
Speaker 1: bag and obviously got really high and really sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this kid learned about I'm assuming where the
Speaker 2: girls also learned about it, which is YouTube. Well I'm
Speaker 2: not assuming. This kid said he learned about freeze dried
Speaker 2: candy on YouTube, and that's why I'm assuming the kids
Speaker 2: learned about it on there too, Right, So he sees
Speaker 2: these on the counter and it was freeze dried skittles
Speaker 2: and he wanted to try them. The mom thought nothing
Speaker 2: was wrong with it. Each adult at the table ate
Speaker 2: one to two pieces, but he ate around forty pieces
Speaker 2: of this candy and nobody thinks, which is also just
Speaker 2: something that would totally happen in our house, Like I
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, let me try that, and then
Speaker 2: it's too sweet or something and I don't want it,
Speaker 2: and the kids will eat the whole bag, right, I
Speaker 2: mean listen, like there's a couple candy like skettles, for
Speaker 2: real skettles, for example, I'll eat a couple pieces, but
Speaker 2: I've just been recently introduced in the last year to
Speaker 2: nerd clusters, and I'll eat the entire bag in once
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 1: So totally see how it could happen.
Speaker 2: But they didn't really realize anything was wrong until they
Speaker 2: started exhibiting symptoms. So yeah, it turns out it's just
Speaker 2: delta nine, which marijuana sales are illegal in North Carolina,
Speaker 2: but there's this loophole where they could sell I guess,
Speaker 2: extracts of THG, which delta nine is considered even though
Speaker 2: delta nine is the component of THC that makes you high.
Speaker 2: So I don't really get it. But it's the same
Speaker 2: weird thing with CBD, which I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever had CBD, but I've had it in the past,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's almost more dangerous because it
Speaker 2: makes your body really lethargic, but your mind isn't quite
Speaker 2: the So that's kind of really scary for me because
Speaker 2: I don't think you realize the two aren't two, like
Speaker 2: in connection with each other. But okay, so this article
Speaker 2: showed a picture of the packaging. So this is this
Speaker 2: is exactly where the story.
Speaker 1: So when you when you hear the first part of
Speaker 1: the story, you're like, oh my god, this is like
Speaker 1: a problem. But then when you when you see the
Speaker 1: photo of the packaging, then you're like, okay, like you
Speaker 1: didn't You're like, come on, you didn't know this was
Speaker 1: weird candy. You're kind of dumb right now? All right, yeah,
Speaker 1: describe it? What first? What was it called?
Speaker 2: I don't did you write it was like addle, Like
Speaker 2: it didn't say it didn't say skittles.
Speaker 1: It was like these these skittles. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like scuzzizzles.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then it was schuizzizzles.
Speaker 2: And then there was a picture of a man, and
Speaker 2: then there was a logo with a marijuana It.
Speaker 1: Was like a biohazard label with a giant weed leaf.
Speaker 1: And then on the back it was like delta THHC.
Speaker 1: This is the dose. Like if any person just looked
Speaker 1: at the bag at a glance, you would know what
Speaker 1: it was. So all right.
Speaker 2: On one end, the store clerk is in the wrong
Speaker 2: because they did not card the person as they should
Speaker 2: have carded them per the stores policies. Even though Delta
Speaker 2: nine is legally sold in northl Okay.
Speaker 1: But what if this lady was forty five years old? Like,
Speaker 1: do you have to card people? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they're I believe with alcohol, if anybody, well,
Speaker 2: I know, with alcohol, at least in our area, if
Speaker 2: somebody's under thirty years old, you have to card them
Speaker 2: if you think they look under thirty, not under twenty one,
Speaker 2: under thirty. So I don't know if it's the same
Speaker 2: with weed. I feel like with weed, everybody has to
Speaker 2: get carded, no matter if they're ninety five years old.
Speaker 2: But maybe this person was like, I'm definitely safe because
Speaker 2: this person's of age. They didn't say anything. That's not
Speaker 2: their problem to be, like, you know you're buying weed
Speaker 2: candy right because the package is clear as day that
Speaker 2: it's a marijuana faced product. So I'm sorry, but I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm not siding with this lady on this.
Speaker 1: It's just because we travel, you know, not a lot,
Speaker 1: but we travel with the kids and stuff, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I I don't know, I personally wouldn't think that a
Speaker 1: convenience store would just sell that kind of stuff on
Speaker 1: the edge. But I also don't know if I would
Speaker 1: just like let them have something that wasn't like a
Speaker 1: familiar brand or something. I don't know, but maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I would. That's why I say, like, eh, this they're saying.
Speaker 2: Only they're saying only after the kids started exhibiting symptoms
Speaker 2: did somebody in the family member read the packaging and.
Speaker 1: Discover what it was. It is funny though, that they
Speaker 1: were saying that. A bunch of adults at the table,
Speaker 1: so they were passing around this bag and not one
Speaker 1: person was like like, wait, why is there a giant
Speaker 1: weed leaf on here? And why isn't it called skittles.
Speaker 1: It's called like skizze it whatever it was called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like uh, yeah, I And I'm sorry, but if
Speaker 2: you've ever had any candy or anything that has weed
Speaker 2: in it, no matter how delicious it is, it has
Speaker 2: that gross tinge.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, and I guess it just does not taste.
Speaker 1: The mom said that the kids started having all these
Speaker 1: symptoms and she was like blowing them off, saying, you
Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom or something, and then
Speaker 1: the kid said something that the water didn't taste right,
Speaker 1: and then she said that she had heard that that
Speaker 1: was a sign of poisoning and that's when she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta take this kid to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and took the kid to the hospital.
Speaker 2: So at the hospital he slept for seventy hours straight
Speaker 2: and so he was released. So it is a shame
Speaker 2: because a six year old should not be getting high.
Speaker 2: But I think we could agree that both sides have
Speaker 2: some wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's funny, like it's
Speaker 1: a funny kid's story. It'll be like, oh, remember that time,
Speaker 1: like mom got me high, one of those yeah, one
Speaker 1: of those good kids stories. But luckily we could like
Speaker 1: laugh about this because the kid just ended up sleeping
Speaker 1: for a whole day and like he's fine. But it
Speaker 1: is it's scary in the sense that, like how easily
Speaker 1: we talked about this with that when we were talking
Speaker 1: about poisonings and everything, that how scary it is that
Speaker 1: people can give you drugs, poison and you eat it
Speaker 1: very you trust that what you're eating. And I mean,
Speaker 1: the kid was poisoned essentially, and that's scary, and luckily
Speaker 1: it all worked out well. But yeah, I'm good. I
Speaker 1: am this. I am good. I listen, if this happened
Speaker 1: to me, I'd be super embarrassed. About it, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be going on TikTok being like, listen, I'm a
Speaker 1: horrible mom, like I let my kids eat some shit.
Speaker 1: I didn't even read the bag. Whatever. Well, but I'm
Speaker 1: glad she think she was going on.
Speaker 2: I think she was going on TikTok as like a PSA.
Speaker 2: But it's like, lady, you didn't read the lady, so
Speaker 2: what do you? And they're called like scazittals, they're not
Speaker 2: regular can Yeah, it looks it looks exactly like every
Speaker 2: other type of Yeah, it's like it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the bag like like like a brown bag color
Speaker 1: with an like you just don't normally buy candy that
Speaker 1: looks like that. I don't know, listen, like you, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say. I don't want to completely
Speaker 1: blame her because I think the same thing could probably
Speaker 1: happen to me. I'm glad she told everybody, so now
Speaker 1: people no, all right. So the next story in freak
Speaker 1: accidents is another one that has a happy ending, Thank god.
Speaker 1: This mom was driving around with her daughter in the
Speaker 1: back seat and a tire popped off of a car
Speaker 1: and that was going in the opposite direction and went
Speaker 1: over the median and smashed into the windshield. Luckily it
Speaker 1: hit on the passenger side of the windshield, and luckily
Speaker 1: the child was in the back seat of the car.
Speaker 1: Guess who I sent this story to today? Who Gabe?
Speaker 1: Because he always puts lets the kids drive in the
Speaker 1: front seat when I'm not in the car, and it
Speaker 1: drives me fucking crazy because I'm like, they're not old enough,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be sitting there, and but he wants to
Speaker 1: be like dad hero of the year when he picks
Speaker 1: the kids up.
Speaker 3: From school and like, ooh, I let you sit in
Speaker 3: the front and your mom doesn't you know whatever, But
Speaker 3: this is They said that the police were like, thank
Speaker 3: god she was in the back seat because the windshield
Speaker 3: the most damage was right to the passenger seat, And well, yeah, scary.
Speaker 2: They always asked me to sit in the front seat
Speaker 2: when I drive them, but I'm still scared of you,
Speaker 2: so I.
Speaker 1: I say, I always say no, like if we're which
Speaker 1: it's it's stupid for going to softball. That's like around
Speaker 1: the block, Like I'll be like, okay, you guys could,
Speaker 1: which is just dumb because an accident can happen anytime.
Speaker 1: But I will even go on a major road because
Speaker 1: I'm just I always just go down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and stuff, and there's just no reason for it. That's
Speaker 1: if it's like, oh, we have too many kids and
Speaker 1: this and that. If there was like a reason for it,
Speaker 1: it would make more sense. But I don't know. And
Speaker 1: but one of the reasons I wanted to put this
Speaker 1: story in here is because when when I was in
Speaker 1: PA school, one of my friends LP, she was at
Speaker 1: the Medical Examiners rotating there, and there was a case
Speaker 1: of this happening on ninety five in Philly. A tire
Speaker 1: popped off of a car or maybe it was a truck,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it went over
Speaker 1: the median and hit the windshield and the guy was
Speaker 1: driving and it like knocked his head off. It was
Speaker 1: that hard, like he obviously he went to the Medical
Speaker 1: Examiner's office and he was dead, and apparently it seemed
Speaker 1: like his wife was in the car and witnessed it,
Speaker 1: and just just terrible. And it's always been a fear
Speaker 1: of mind since LP told me about that autopsy, because
Speaker 1: you know, it happened on a highway that we travel
Speaker 1: to all the time. It was like right near the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is some total like final destination death, like
Speaker 2: so weird, horrible, but at least in this case these
Speaker 2: two were okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their car and you need to look up
Speaker 1: the article and look at their car because you would
Speaker 1: be like, holy shit, Like how scary is that?
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Speaker 2: Let's get started with violent crimes. I feel like we
Speaker 2: should have an asshole of the Week category because we
Speaker 2: have just certain stories where these people are just so
Speaker 2: unbelievable and I can't believe that these are even things
Speaker 2: that really happen. Yeah, this lady definitely deserves Asshole of
Speaker 2: the Week for sure. So this happened in June of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. This woman was living with her boyfriend
Speaker 2: in Newcastle, Pennsylvania. The boyfriend had visitation rights of his
Speaker 2: eighteen month old daughter that weekend, so he goes out
Speaker 2: to the store and the girlfriend calls and says something's
Speaker 2: wrong with the baby. When the guy returns home, the
Speaker 2: baby's unresponsive. Nine one one's called and the baby's rest
Speaker 2: to the hospital. Four days later, the baby dies, So
Speaker 2: the girlfriend says that the child had hit her head quote,
Speaker 2: cramped up and fell off the bed and therefore became unresponsive.
Speaker 2: The autopsy showed, however, that the child had ingested numerous
Speaker 2: water beads along with button sheep batteries and metal screw
Speaker 2: months before she died, and then determined that her cause
Speaker 2: of death had been from consuming acidtone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this this not only is this lady an asshole,
Speaker 1: but she's a stupid she's stupid. She's a stupid ass
Speaker 1: this pop Boop popa would say. She So they started
Speaker 1: unraveling what happened to the child, because number one, if
Speaker 1: you said that a kid hit them their head, and
Speaker 1: you do the all time and there's not a single
Speaker 1: bump on their head, then it's going to be a
Speaker 1: little bit suspicious. But on top of that, she had
Speaker 1: all of these crazy searches on the Internet, and she
Speaker 1: was looking for things that were common household items that
Speaker 1: were dangerous and harmful to children, looking for toys that
Speaker 1: would are harmful for children, And she was really doing
Speaker 1: research to find out how she could accidentally kill this kid.
Speaker 1: And so let me tell you about some of the
Speaker 1: things that they found her. In her blood, obviously, she
Speaker 1: had a fatal level of acetone, which is a common
Speaker 1: chemical that used to take off now polish, so that
Speaker 1: they figured out that this woman was feeding this child
Speaker 1: acetone or now polish remover. And then the other things
Speaker 1: that they found were the button batteries. So when a
Speaker 1: child in just these button batteries, they can erode inside
Speaker 1: of the GI track can cause a perforation and ultimately
Speaker 1: cause death. And these are like the little tiny silver
Speaker 1: batteries that they're called button batteries because they are the
Speaker 1: size of a button and they're common in like little
Speaker 1: remote controls and stuff. And that's why you shouldn't give
Speaker 1: a baby that because if they put everything in their
Speaker 1: mouth and the butt, the battery could get accidentally ingested.
Speaker 1: And the water beads we talked about too around Christmas time,
Speaker 1: because that's another common thing that children play with. These
Speaker 1: they're like sensory beads. They're these small beads and when
Speaker 1: you put them in water, they expand and kids like
Speaker 1: to play with them, like older kids like to play
Speaker 1: with them, but younger kids, if they put them in
Speaker 1: the mouth, the little tiny beads then expand in the
Speaker 1: gi track and they could cause an obstruction, which then
Speaker 1: could also cause a perforation, which could also lead to
Speaker 1: death as well. So this woman was intentionally letting this
Speaker 1: child either play with these things, were actually feeding these
Speaker 1: things to this child, and the child if they're saying
Speaker 1: that these items were there for months, it means that
Speaker 1: they that they were stuck in there and had some
Speaker 1: kind of an obstruction or something like that that they
Speaker 1: noticed that autopsy, and it's just it's just terrifying to
Speaker 1: think that if you have a boyfriend or you have
Speaker 1: a husband, and you guys break up or get divorced
Speaker 1: and then you have to send your kid the visitation
Speaker 1: to another house, that some other person there would be
Speaker 1: harming your child when they're not in your custody. It's
Speaker 1: so scary.
Speaker 2: So now this woman faces homicide charges, which is why
Speaker 2: it's relevant this week, and they said when they read
Speaker 2: the charges, she just stood in court totally emotionless and
Speaker 2: blank face. So that's really nice to hear.
Speaker 1: What it's wrong with these morons that are searching that
Speaker 1: they think that they're going to get away with this stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're searching it like, are you're twenty years old?
Speaker 1: You don't know how the internet works? By now? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know. Clearing your history doesn't erase it.
Speaker 2: Once you type something in, it's there forever, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what people are serious idiots. So we're deeming this
Speaker 2: lady asshole of the idiot of the week.
Speaker 1: All right. The next case that we're talking about is
Speaker 1: also a really old case that happened in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: this guy who has been called the Butcher of Belarus
Speaker 1: is walking free.
Speaker 2: So this guy, Vincent de Rosa, when he was sixteen
Speaker 2: year old, sixteen years old in nineteen sixty eight, he
Speaker 2: kidnapped a four year old child that lived in his neighborhood,
Speaker 2: slaughtered her, and stuffed her in a suitcase. This is
Speaker 2: really disturbing because he also joined the search party for
Speaker 2: the little girl, which I also think would be a
Speaker 2: really awesome topic to bring up with doctor Dos. Why
Speaker 2: did these killers join search parties? I know Jeffrey Dahmer
Speaker 2: took part in some of his victims search parties as well.
Speaker 2: And then the girl's body was eventually found in the
Speaker 2: attic of his family in nineteen sixty eight, eleven days
Speaker 2: after her disappearance. And so first in this case, he
Speaker 2: went to jail until nineteen seventy five, so for only
Speaker 2: seven years, and he got released when he was twenty three.
Speaker 2: At the time, he was only charged with manslaughter, which
Speaker 2: I think is very, very bizarre because this is definitely
Speaker 2: a first degree murder.
Speaker 1: I don't we don't really know what I don't. I
Speaker 1: really couldn't find if he ever said what the motive
Speaker 1: was he kidnapped her and said, apparently that she was
Speaker 1: like talking too much, so he shoved it a rag
Speaker 1: in her mouth. And I don't even know what her
Speaker 1: cause of death was, but she was her neck was broke,
Speaker 1: her bones were broken. I don't know if she was
Speaker 1: asphyxiated with this thing he said he stuffed in her
Speaker 1: mouth and put her in a suitcase. Apparently it didn't
Speaker 1: seem as if she was sextually assaulted, but like, why,
Speaker 1: like why did you do that? Why would you just
Speaker 1: kidnap a child. Apparently they were sitting on the stoop
Speaker 1: and the mom went in the house or some then
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and then she came out
Speaker 1: and the kid was gone. And the most fucked up
Speaker 1: part of this is that her brother is still alive,
Speaker 1: who's now obviously an old man, and said that the
Speaker 1: mom cried every day of her life after this kid died.
Speaker 1: I mean the children, the kids. The kid that died
Speaker 1: had siblings that were only ten and twelve years old.
Speaker 1: If the dad cried, I mean, like, think about how
Speaker 1: this ripped apart an entire neighborhood and an entire family
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life, Like this woman cried
Speaker 1: every day of her life until she died as an
Speaker 1: old lady, Like, how horrible is that? And then this
Speaker 1: guy got out of jail a couple years later.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering if because he was technically a minor
Speaker 2: when he committed the crime, if that's why it was
Speaker 2: a lesser sentence. But it's absolutely disgusting to serve seven
Speaker 2: years for taking a child's life.
Speaker 1: So shocker.
Speaker 2: Fifteen years later, in nineteen eighty three, he then killed
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old foreign exchange student after he went
Speaker 2: disappearing after a night of drinking with this guy, and
Speaker 2: buried him in a shallow grave in his backyard. So
Speaker 2: his brothers two years later were digging in the backyard
Speaker 2: and fine skeletal remains and their brother's glasses with the
Speaker 2: skeletal remain, which kind of stealed the deal that he
Speaker 2: did it. So then he got served or he got
Speaker 2: sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison. He
Speaker 2: has served thirty five of those years, and now he
Speaker 2: has been granted parole at seventy two years old, and
Speaker 2: he will be getting out of jail again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I can't wrap my brain around it.
Speaker 1: I just can't, And really I do like how I
Speaker 1: see things changing because you see a lot of kids
Speaker 1: that I think it was in Philly last year, like
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids beat to death this guy with
Speaker 1: a traffic cone or something, and they're getting charged. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're starting to be like, all right,
Speaker 1: a kid that's sixteen years old can get charged with
Speaker 1: murder now, because when you're sixteen, although your brain is
Speaker 1: not developed, and you do dumb shit, I don't think
Speaker 1: that you do dumb shit like kill a person, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I think that there has
Speaker 1: to be a distinction. And I'm glad that they're not
Speaker 1: just making this blanket roll like because that's how I
Speaker 1: feel like it used to be back in the day,
Speaker 1: Like you're under eighteen, it doesn't count kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And imagine, I just think about this little kid's parents.
Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy five, it wasn't even that many
Speaker 1: years later, their kids weren't even eighteen years old yet,
Speaker 1: probably and the guy got out of jail again, they
Speaker 1: must have been terrified.
Speaker 2: Well, and who knows what he did in between the
Speaker 2: fifteen years that.
Speaker 1: He was I'm sure like he was a saint.
Speaker 2: I don't think you just go on break No, exactly.
Speaker 2: So back to your point earlier. The first victim's brother
Speaker 2: is still alive and says that nobody notified him he
Speaker 2: was out of jail. He's scared of this guy getting released.
Speaker 2: Seventy two years old is not that old, you know.
Speaker 2: The when the Golden State killer was arrested a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, he acted like this frail old man,
Speaker 2: and they had videos of him in the jail being
Speaker 2: extremely active, and it was really scary to see because
Speaker 2: this guy could still get out and commit a crime
Speaker 2: no problem. It's not like he's ninety five and on
Speaker 2: death's door, like you just don't know. And it's really
Speaker 2: scary that they're just letting this guy out again after
Speaker 2: they already proved that he was released and killed again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not like, oh, it was he killed
Speaker 1: someone like I don't know. It was a bar fight
Speaker 1: or whatever, and there were witnesses and the guy died
Speaker 1: by accident. Like think about this. We talked about this
Speaker 1: last week. To step the train, those two people were
Speaker 1: fighting on the platform and he punched the guy. The
Speaker 1: guy fell backwards and got ran over by a train.
Speaker 1: That guy didn't I more than likely will say that
Speaker 1: that guy didn't go on the train platform that day
Speaker 1: planning to push a person in front of a train
Speaker 1: and have them die. It seemed like it was like
Speaker 1: an impulsive fight that ended up and I believe he
Speaker 1: punched the guy and then the guy fell backwards, like
Speaker 1: he didn't push the guy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's manslaughter, that's a death resulting in a reckless action.
Speaker 2: So that's why I don't understand. It has to be
Speaker 2: because he was a minor when he committed the first
Speaker 2: crime with the child, because that is first degree murder.
Speaker 2: He took her with the intention of killing her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Like I just how could you
Speaker 1: think that a person could ever be rehabilitated that thinks
Speaker 1: it's okay to just take a child off of a
Speaker 1: step and freaking kill them and jam them in a suitcase.
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, but I feel like those people just
Speaker 1: need to be away for life because they're just ruined,
Speaker 1: like there's no coming back from that. Let's get into
Speaker 1: the medical stories this week.
Speaker 2: So this Turkish doctor is selling weight loss quote holidays,
Speaker 2: which I believe is a vagage and Americans speak. But
Speaker 2: he told an undercover BBC reporter that she needed to
Speaker 2: gain weight in order to be eligible for a gastric
Speaker 2: sleeve surgery. So can you explain the unethical nature behind
Speaker 2: this decision.
Speaker 1: So this medical tourism is a really hot topic right
Speaker 1: now because surgeries are becoming really expensive, and especially plastic
Speaker 1: surgeries or cosmetic procedures, and people are deciding like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know in America, I could get a Brazilian butt
Speaker 1: lift for ten thousand dollars, but if I go to Mexico,
Speaker 1: I could get one for two thousand dollars and you
Speaker 1: get what you pay for kind of thing. You don't
Speaker 1: know the regulations in the different countries that you're traveling to.
Speaker 1: And this story takes place in the UK, and they
Speaker 1: were specifically talking about like medical weight loss surgery, sleeve
Speaker 1: gas strectomy, which is when they cut a portion of
Speaker 1: the stomach off to make the stomach itself smaller, and
Speaker 1: what happens during this surgery. So in America, for the
Speaker 1: most part, that's covered on health insurance if you meet
Speaker 1: certain criteria, And apparently in Turkey they won't do the
Speaker 1: procedure either unless you meet a certain criteria, which they
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it anywhere because you don't need it done.
Speaker 1: It's a surgery that's to combat obesity. Right. So this
Speaker 1: person from the BBC reporter, she went and pretended like
Speaker 1: she was going to go get this done. And when
Speaker 1: she went there, her BMI was only twenty four I
Speaker 1: think it was. It was pretty twenty four point yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was normal, so that's like a normal weight.
Speaker 1: And she went and the guy was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to schedule it for surgery, but you got to
Speaker 1: make sure that you gain weight because your BMI has
Speaker 1: to be thirty. And it just seems so it's so
Speaker 1: unethical to say, hey, you're a normal weight, but gain
Speaker 1: this weight in order to get this surgery done so
Speaker 1: I could get paid. And the thing is is that
Speaker 1: in the UK, this report was saying that it's between
Speaker 1: ten and fifteen thousand with their money's pounds, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen thousand pounds to get the surgery done
Speaker 1: in the UK. But in Turkey you could get the
Speaker 1: same surgery done for two thousand pounds. So they were
Speaker 1: just going undercover to be like, well, what's going on
Speaker 1: at these at these shady like things, right, And she
Speaker 1: said that she went for the consultation and She said
Speaker 1: that her BMI was twenty one. She said they never waited,
Speaker 1: they never asked anything. So it looks like this whole
Speaker 1: entire thing is to get people in. This doctor's gonna
Speaker 1: get paid two grand to do this procedure, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit a value. He doesn't care if
Speaker 1: you go home and you drop dead or anything. He's
Speaker 1: getting his two grand. So he's just telling you, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I only could do the surgery if you gain weight.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's really kind of outrageous to be
Speaker 1: honest with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of get what you pay for. In
Speaker 2: these circumstances. It's better to like do their research and
Speaker 2: make sure you're getting a really good practice instead of
Speaker 2: just getting the right present.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, listen, a lot of people do this
Speaker 1: all the time. They go to Brazil, they go to
Speaker 1: Mexico and they get things done and they have no issues,
Speaker 1: and it's like they saved a lot of money, right.
Speaker 1: But there's horror stories, especially with the Brazilian butt lift situation,
Speaker 1: of just people dying, necrosis, all this crazy stuff happening
Speaker 1: because you just don't they don't have the same regulations
Speaker 1: as here. But there's definitely a lot of countries that
Speaker 1: have the same regulations that we do, and it's safe
Speaker 1: to get surgery in other countries, but you just don't
Speaker 1: know what you're getting if you're just going on a
Speaker 1: vacation to get surgery, so it's probably best not to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this tide pod situation.
Speaker 1: So I feel like when I was.
Speaker 2: In college, the initial fad started where people were taking
Speaker 2: videos and putting them online of them chewing them and
Speaker 2: gagging to see how much they could handle. And then
Speaker 2: we actually have a that knows somebody whose child died
Speaker 2: eating one by accident.
Speaker 1: That fella forgot about that well. But so the reason
Speaker 1: that laundry pods are back in the news is because
Speaker 1: some politicians in Taiwan, they're having an election, they decided
Speaker 1: to give out as you know how like JFK would
Speaker 1: give out pins with his name on it during the
Speaker 1: election time and stuff. No, in Taiwan, they're given out
Speaker 1: tie pods.
Speaker 2: And this is another situation of if you guys are
Speaker 2: in the grosser room, we link all the stories we
Speaker 2: talk about so you could easily see all the pictures
Speaker 2: we're referencing.
Speaker 1: But this is a case where I looked at these.
Speaker 2: Pictures and tide pods look like detergent to me, And
Speaker 2: these did look like candies. They looked like little fun
Speaker 2: syrups and plane pouches. And some people that have maybe
Speaker 2: never seen detergent pods before would have absolutely no idea
Speaker 2: what this would be. Definitely could very easily be mistaken
Speaker 2: by candy, especially by the eighty year old man an
Speaker 2: eighty six year old woman that in Taiwan that consumed these.
Speaker 1: Yes, and like who exactly, like even in let's say
Speaker 1: that even happened in America or happened anywhere, Like why
Speaker 1: would you think that a political candidate was sending you
Speaker 1: laundry detergent?
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of rude, Like does he think that
Speaker 2: they need to deterg.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know what would
Speaker 1: be behind it, like why they would do it. But
Speaker 1: like Maria was saying, the photos shows it does have
Speaker 1: that little disintegrating like rap that they have on the
Speaker 1: outside of them. But it's like two little ones and
Speaker 1: one was green and one was blue, I think, but
Speaker 1: I could see that an elderly person could think that
Speaker 1: that was a piece of candy of some sort. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you would know right away that it wasn't, but
Speaker 1: it's too late. These things are filled with polymers and
Speaker 1: ethanol and hydrogen peroxide, and they're toxic. And when this happening,
Speaker 1: this was like a popular thing that was happening back
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. It was blamed for ten deaths, and
Speaker 1: two of them were toddlers, which you could understand that
Speaker 1: that would be appealing to a little kid, but eight
Speaker 1: of them were senior citizens with dementia. So apparently that's
Speaker 1: a thing they're saying.
Speaker 2: They're trying to get these laundry pods banned completely. I
Speaker 2: think this could be solved with a little stamp on it.
Speaker 2: That's his detergent. Like, I don't think they need to.
Speaker 1: Does not need to be banned at all. It just
Speaker 1: needs to be in because you if you go through
Speaker 1: your cabinet, especially your cleaning materials, everything needs to be
Speaker 1: banned because a kid could die from eating any of them. Right,
Speaker 1: you have to keep it closed and not available to children.
Speaker 1: That's the parents' job, right. I do think, however, that
Speaker 1: politicians should not be giving them out as party favors
Speaker 1: like that should be banned the practice of tide pods
Speaker 1: as candy favors should be banned. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: It's very weird to just give somebody detergent. I'm sorry, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of really.
Speaker 1: Rude that they're probably they're probably thinking like, hey, laundry
Speaker 1: detergent's really expensive. If we give this person like a
Speaker 1: load of free laundry, then maybe they'll vote for us.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the thinking is. It's it's so bizarre,
Speaker 1: it's so busy. I don't blame these people. They were
Speaker 1: elders and they didn't know better, and it does look
Speaker 1: like candy. So agreed, all right, This next case is
Speaker 1: messed up again. This happened back in twenty and eighteen.
Speaker 1: So there was an Asian couple that spent over one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to get IVF treatment so they could
Speaker 1: have a baby, and the woman got pregnant and was
Speaker 1: told that she was She got pregnant with two girls,
Speaker 1: and shit started on ravelin real fast when she had
Speaker 1: her ultrasound done and they were like, congratulations, you're present.
Speaker 1: You're pregnant with twin boys. So that was when they
Speaker 1: first started questioning the IVF clinic like, hey, I thought
Speaker 1: you said you put two girls inside me, and I
Speaker 1: have two boys inside me, and they kind of denied
Speaker 1: it and blew it off. But the ultimate test came
Speaker 1: when she gave birth to two boys that were not
Speaker 1: only male, but they were white kids when this was
Speaker 1: an Asian couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the most messed up part of this was
Speaker 2: they were forced to give up the kids to the
Speaker 2: true biological parents.
Speaker 1: Yes, so how horrible. Yeah, going through an entire pregnancy
Speaker 1: and then finding out quite early on in your pregnancy
Speaker 1: that something might not be right, but still going along
Speaker 1: with it, going through the whole pregnancy, giving birth, and
Speaker 1: then having to give the babies away.
Speaker 2: And the true biological mother to these embryos was also
Speaker 2: mistakenly implanted with somebody else's embryo, but that ended up
Speaker 2: in a miscarriage. So this fertility clinic is all over
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 1: I would be so scared if I did, if I
Speaker 1: had IVF or something, just having in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind like was that did someone there screw that up?
Speaker 1: Because how crazy is that? And especially if you went
Speaker 1: to that particular clinic, I would be like getting DNA
Speaker 1: testing done and stuff. I mean, it doesn't matter. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: if you love your kid, it's your kid, whatever, but
Speaker 1: it's you would also want to know if your biological
Speaker 1: child was being raised by someone else.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, I think there's many problems in this.
Speaker 2: The first couple that gave birth, like the woman went
Speaker 2: through the entire experience of thinking she was going to
Speaker 2: become a mother, having her body change, delivering the babies,
Speaker 2: only to find out that they're not hers, and then
Speaker 2: she can't even keep them. There's this component of it
Speaker 2: where you might there might be a switch up and
Speaker 2: you could deliver the wrong baby, but you raised that
Speaker 2: kid as your own, and who cares because a kid
Speaker 2: is a kid and you want to form a loving
Speaker 2: bond with them. But to give birth and then have
Speaker 2: to immediately give them away.
Speaker 1: How could you ever get over that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: you would have serious issues. Yeah, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a life ruining event. And plus who knows, maybe she
Speaker 1: couldn't have any more kids or something like. It's it sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're going through I think that I
Speaker 2: don't want to say this about everybody, but I want
Speaker 2: to say if most people going through IVF, I assume
Speaker 2: have had issues with natural conception, which is why they're
Speaker 2: going this route. So it's not only enough that you
Speaker 2: have to go through this whole mental game of I
Speaker 2: can't get pregnant naturally, but then finally there's these medical
Speaker 2: advancements that allow you to do it anyway, and then
Speaker 2: you can't even keep the babies and it makes me
Speaker 2: stick to my stomach thinking about it. And then this
Speaker 2: clinic is just totally blowing them off like this is
Speaker 2: one hundred percent not acceptable.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. But they're gonna get theirs and
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be good. I mean, they could prove
Speaker 1: all of it, so it's you just can't.
Speaker 2: You can't make errors like this. They're just these companies
Speaker 2: don't have these systems in place to make sure this
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. And it's really this hard.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you can do this technology and get
Speaker 1: someone pregnant under a microscope and inject them and this
Speaker 1: and that, and then you don't take simple precautions as
Speaker 1: to how not to mix up the specimens, like it's
Speaker 1: the simplest thing in the world. It's just crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody is just so vegged out, and
Speaker 2: you know, I find it funny because I get made
Speaker 2: of fun of so often because I have my journal.
Speaker 2: You know that I religiously schedule out every week and
Speaker 2: all like everything in my life, and everybody thinks I'm
Speaker 2: a psycho for doing that. But that's how you run
Speaker 2: a business and you keep things together. So I think
Speaker 2: some people need to take more a type and anally
Speaker 2: organized people to be kind of controlling these systems, because
Speaker 2: I just don't see how this even is possibly acceptable.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you wouldn't put like me in charge
Speaker 1: of the freezer at the embryo clinic.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would, And it's it's nothing against you.
Speaker 2: I just think I'm more organized than you, So if
Speaker 2: the job was between the two of us, I would
Speaker 2: think me, the spreadsheet queen, could could keep a little
Speaker 2: more organization going in that system.
Speaker 1: All right. So this next story I wanted, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about because this situation has happened to me before.
Speaker 1: Do you want to get started on it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, as I was reading this, a sweating thing.
Speaker 2: This twenty two year old woman went to the bathroom
Speaker 2: around midnight and nothing was out of the ordinary, and
Speaker 2: then an hour later goes back and realizes her legs
Speaker 2: are turning blue, so her her and her partner call
Speaker 2: an ambulance and the medic slot she was having a
Speaker 2: blood clot and as they're going through the medical process
Speaker 2: of getting to the hospital, her fingers start turning blue
Speaker 2: as well, and she's freaking out. Nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 2: So hours passed and her legs start then turning black
Speaker 2: and they think they're bruised. They put it on a
Speaker 2: blood thinner. Nobody could figure out what was going on.
Speaker 2: It turns out that the dye in her leggings was
Speaker 2: rubbing off on her legs, which was turning her legs
Speaker 2: black and blue.
Speaker 1: It's seriously like this has happened to me because I
Speaker 1: wear black jeans almost every single day of my life,
Speaker 1: and if you if you're outside and you get like
Speaker 1: wet in the rain, or if you sweat or something,
Speaker 1: it stains your skin. Sometimes blue jeans do it too, right,
Speaker 1: And I remember I had like a you know, those
Speaker 1: like really dark levies, the like old school color ones,
Speaker 1: those really really dark blue ones. I had them once
Speaker 1: and like I pulled my pants down to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom and my thighs were like all blue and
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck, why is my skin
Speaker 1: such a weird color? And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I saw it on my fingers later, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it has to be from my pants, just from like
Speaker 1: sweating or something. And I'm sure this is happened to
Speaker 1: so many other people, just not this woman. But it's
Speaker 1: you start reading the story and you're just like, oh God,
Speaker 1: this lady was having a blood clot while she was
Speaker 1: pregnant PSA. And then all of a sudden, it's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's because of her pants that die in her pants.
Speaker 2: I mean, best case scenario for the situation. She posted
Speaker 2: her this whole story on TikTok and it's gone viral
Speaker 2: obviously because it's hilarious, and she's like, I'm so embarrassed
Speaker 2: to talk about it.
Speaker 4: It's true, like she she is giving some uh information
Speaker 4: because like, if this happens to someone else, then they
Speaker 4: would save themselves embarrassment going to the emergency room for
Speaker 4: absolutely no reason.
Speaker 1: That's just like a rollback over and go to bed thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And look at all the
Speaker 1: drama it caused. Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: So at least this is a good situation coming out
Speaker 2: of it and funny to talk about, but I've definitely
Speaker 2: been in that position as well. So I feel like
Speaker 2: most people that wear black jeans are leggings.
Speaker 1: Totally can really it's true, all right. In other death news,
Speaker 1: we have one story this week which is a story
Speaker 1: I don't believe that we talked about it on Mother
Speaker 1: Knows Death, but we have talked about it in the
Speaker 1: gross room for sure. That it involves a funeral home
Speaker 1: in Colorado called Return to Nature that started around twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and their mission was to give people to offer people
Speaker 1: green burials, which is without embalming fluid, and also cremations.
Speaker 1: So do you want to tell them so, like what
Speaker 1: bad shit they did? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So there was the police forgetting all these reports of
Speaker 2: this absolutely horrible smell coming from this building in Colorado,
Speaker 2: and so in November, the owners of this funeral home
Speaker 2: were arrested. Well, first of all, they fled to Oklahoma
Speaker 2: trying to avoid prosecution, like you could possibly do that
Speaker 2: in this case. But investigators entered the Colorado funeral home
Speaker 2: and found two hundred abandoned bodies. There was stacks of
Speaker 2: partially covered human remains, bodily fluid several inches deep on
Speaker 2: the floor, flies and maggots in the whole building. How
Speaker 2: absolutely disgusted. Could you even fathom what that would smell like?
Speaker 1: No, I can't, But I mean technically it is a
Speaker 1: burt a green burial without embombing fluid. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: is where the problem comes. It's not there's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems, trust me, a lot.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe if these people had stink bombs, then they give.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope that the police did that showed up
Speaker 1: and had to and also the all of the investigators
Speaker 1: that had to take all these bodies and examine them
Speaker 1: and identify them.
Speaker 2: So twenty three of the bodies were from twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: and sixty one of them were from twenty twenty. The
Speaker 2: messed apart is that some of these families had received
Speaker 2: remains of their loved ones supposedly, but it turns out
Speaker 2: that these people were sending them like concrete mix. It's
Speaker 2: it's so messed up.
Speaker 1: Like there was one story about a woman that thought
Speaker 1: her husband was he was military, he was a VET,
Speaker 1: and thought that he was taken care of at a
Speaker 1: VET cemetery and they didn't. They didn't even it's not
Speaker 1: even him like it's it's just so crazy to think
Speaker 1: about that. They also found animal remains, so I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that they were trying to push off like dead animal
Speaker 1: cremains as as human as well giving them to people.
Speaker 1: They were saying that this was a mixture of infants, children, adults,
Speaker 1: and it's like their marketing is like, hey, we don't
Speaker 1: We're not going to put all these chemicals into your
Speaker 1: family member. And I mean, I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: what their plan was because technically they're not doing that,
Speaker 1: but like what were they doing. They were just going
Speaker 1: to plan on what was that plan? So just doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense.
Speaker 2: Again, idiots were texting each other about it, so obviously
Speaker 2: that's been pulled up. But the police found text between
Speaker 2: them showing that they were under financial pressures. They had
Speaker 2: fears they'd be caught for mishandling the bodies. One of
Speaker 2: the coners, the coners were also the owners, were also
Speaker 2: a married couple, so one of them suggested getting rid
Speaker 2: of the bodies and digging them in a big hole
Speaker 2: or setting them on.
Speaker 1: Fact, they were going to dig a big hole and
Speaker 1: put lie on them to digest their bodies. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think like I want to know what
Speaker 1: their business plan was, like, all right, we're going to
Speaker 1: offer these green funerals like number one, Well, we are
Speaker 1: interviewing a funeral director that this week or next week,
Speaker 1: so we were definitely going to ask these questions like
Speaker 1: when you open a funeral home, like don't aren't there regulations?
Speaker 1: Isn't there some kind of board coming in and checking
Speaker 1: to make sure you're doing what you're said you're doing
Speaker 1: and your following all of these standards. I don't know
Speaker 1: what their plan was.
Speaker 2: I I feel like there has to be some inspection service,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. We could confirm that in the
Speaker 2: interview tomorrow. But also I wonder if these bodies were
Speaker 2: stored in a building that was off premise of the
Speaker 2: funeral home so that they wouldn't get caught, because then
Speaker 2: they would pass all the inspections because they wouldn't be
Speaker 2: looking in a random place.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think though, even with the inspections, they're
Speaker 1: not like okay, like what's your procedure, like when you
Speaker 1: accept a body, like where is it going? Unless they
Speaker 1: were just playing the part and collecting the money so
Speaker 1: they didn't have to pay for the other stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand that that's probably what they were doing. But
Speaker 1: if you, if you're especially if you work in the
Speaker 1: funeral industry, you know what happens when humans decomposed and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking like that amount of bodies, two
Speaker 1: hundred bodies d composing like that would smell very far away.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be like from here to the ext door
Speaker 1: neighbor's house. You would be able to smell it from
Speaker 1: a hot like a distance away, especially on days where
Speaker 1: it's like really windy or something. Just like, what are
Speaker 1: you thinking, Like what did you think was going to
Speaker 1: happen with this? That nobody would ever figure this out?
Speaker 2: I think about how psycho the restaurant health inspections are,
Speaker 2: and it just makes me wonder how some of these
Speaker 2: other industries don't get in trouble because the restaurant industry
Speaker 2: is so psychotic with the inspections. I remember this one
Speaker 2: specific time this bar I worked out, we got fined
Speaker 2: because our shelves in the basement that didn't hold any
Speaker 2: food on them, weren't painted, they were just raw wood,
Speaker 2: and they had to come they like failed us and
Speaker 2: had to come back for that. And then I think
Speaker 2: of this funeral home that has two hundred decaying bodies
Speaker 2: for multiple years in a back room show somewhere, and
Speaker 2: how they just kept going. I mean twenty nineteen was
Speaker 2: five years ago.
Speaker 1: Also, like just that, like you're you're just showing up
Speaker 1: to this displace and like throwing a human on top
Speaker 1: of a pile of humans, like you're you're you're like
Speaker 1: missing a chip, dude for real.
Speaker 2: And then you think you're going to go to Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and you're.
Speaker 1: Just gonna, yeah, charge at least go to another country, morons. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now they're accused of abusing corpses, stealing, laundering money,
Speaker 2: forging documents. They're charged with approximately one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: counts of abuse of a corpse, five counts of theft,
Speaker 2: four counts of the money laundering, fifty counts of the forgery.
Speaker 2: They are absolute idiots, And I feel really bad for
Speaker 2: the families that don't have their loved ones like real remains,
Speaker 2: and they essentially got concrete MIxS.
Speaker 1: It's really that actually is like you know how we
Speaker 1: always talk about things that we could just like live
Speaker 1: our whole life not knowing, Like I just wouldn't even
Speaker 1: want to know. I wouldn't want to know, like I,
Speaker 1: and I know that they have to notify you and everything,
Speaker 1: but like that's like like a life ruining thing for people.
Speaker 1: Like if I if I was in if I had
Speaker 1: sent like my family member there, and just knowing what
Speaker 1: I know about, like what this visual scene was and
Speaker 1: thinking that like my dad or my anybody was like
Speaker 1: under a pile of decomposing people in a pile of
Speaker 1: like necrotics slop like that, it just would like further,
Speaker 1: it would just be permanently in my mind all the time,
Speaker 1: Like it just would. It would just be so upsetting
Speaker 1: and just thank god that this neighbor called the police
Speaker 1: and was like, what is that smell? And then imagine
Speaker 1: being that neighbor that smelled that all the time. She
Speaker 1: probably smelled it for a very long time before they
Speaker 1: decided to call, because that's usually what happens. And then
Speaker 1: finding out that you're smelling people that are decaying, It
Speaker 1: would it would make you physically sick, right to think
Speaker 1: that you were smelling that in your house.
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, the Emmys were last night, and
Speaker 2: this episode remember last year they made that Jeffrey Dahmer show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was an episode nominated for best writing, and it
Speaker 2: was called bad Meat, and it was when his neighbor
Speaker 2: called because the smell was so bad in the apartment.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was going to win, because I
Speaker 2: was that was a truly compelling episode the way it
Speaker 2: was written. And that's all I can think about is
Speaker 2: that lady calling the police all the time saying it
Speaker 2: smelled so bad, and then blowing her off, and then
Speaker 2: finally they're like, oh, this guy's just been killing and
Speaker 2: eating people for years.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean at least. I mean thank god though
Speaker 1: that this person called, because otherwise these people might have
Speaker 1: continued to get away with this. I mean, how would
Speaker 1: you I think I remember reading a past article with
Speaker 1: people saying like, when you get cremains of someone, if
Speaker 1: you've never seen them before, how are you supposed to
Speaker 1: know what they look like? They actually look quite I
Speaker 1: would think like prior, Like we watched Meet the Parents
Speaker 1: the other day, Remember the part where he pops the
Speaker 1: cork off and it hits the mom's urn and the
Speaker 1: urn falls on the ground and the ashes are there,
Speaker 1: and then the cat peas on the ashes. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not really what like, that's not what cremaanes look like.
Speaker 1: They're usually like a little bit more like chunkier. There's
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'm not like, it doesn't look like
Speaker 1: cigarette ashes like you think it would look like.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, like you are familiar with it. But
Speaker 2: I would have zero idea, And I don't think i'd
Speaker 2: be googling what it looked like if I wasn't talking
Speaker 2: about it. Now I'm going to because we're talking about
Speaker 2: it and I'm curious. But I don't think in a
Speaker 2: normal setting, if I had a love one died, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, this might not be them when we look.
Speaker 1: And how are you gonna.
Speaker 2: Trust even if you're even if you sent your relative
Speaker 2: to them? In the two So they started in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: and they're saying the oldest bodies dated back to twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: How are you gonna trust in that two year window
Speaker 2: that you got services done there, that you actually received
Speaker 2: the right process and you have your loved ones and
Speaker 2: they weren't just disposing of the bodies the whole time. Oh,
Speaker 2: pretty much anybody that's ever been sent there has to
Speaker 2: consider it a wash because how would you know?
Speaker 1: And how I mean, how many bodies are they getting
Speaker 1: there a year?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I don't see. There has
Speaker 2: to be some mental illness or something going on. I
Speaker 2: just don't see how you could just keep collecting bodies.
Speaker 2: And don't you think if you got to a point
Speaker 2: where you had one body and you couldn't handle the
Speaker 2: services or you couldn't afford it, that you would have
Speaker 2: to just shut down your business.
Speaker 1: People are so weird about stuffs. It always amazes me
Speaker 1: when you have like a couple, especially that two people
Speaker 1: come together and say, like, you know what, this is
Speaker 1: how we're gonna handle this. We're just gonna put them
Speaker 1: in this giant barn and start stacking them on top
Speaker 1: of each other and closing door like, and both of
Speaker 1: them were like, Okay, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Let's keep doing that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: think I think there's just something really deep going on,
Speaker 2: and it's all gonna come out in court because I
Speaker 2: if they're I don't know. I'm thinking if they fled,
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to plead not guilty to this because
Speaker 2: something clearly, something's clearly not right.
Speaker 1: But you never know.
Speaker 2: I would be interested in watching a trial of this magnitude.
Speaker 2: But I also don't think we should waste the resources
Speaker 2: on people like this when they're so clearly guilty. All Right,
Speaker 2: onto our Questions of the Day. Every Friday on the
Speaker 2: at Mother Knows Death Instagram, we put up a little
Speaker 2: question box your guys. Questions are awesome every week, but
Speaker 2: we can only pick a couple to answer. So our
Speaker 2: first one this week is have you ever served as
Speaker 2: an expert witness in court?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't think that that. Would you be interested? Now,
Speaker 1: that's I'm pretty sure because we're like for malpractice purposes,
Speaker 1: we're covered underneath of the physicians that we work for
Speaker 1: for the most part in the hospital. So I don't think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know of any PAS that have for pathologists
Speaker 1: assistance anyway, I don't. But I'm not saying that PAS
Speaker 1: don't do that. I'm just saying that in particular, like
Speaker 1: that's never been That's never been a thing that I've
Speaker 1: ever been asked to do, or anybody that I know
Speaker 1: in my profession has been asked to do. All Right, next,
Speaker 1: are you a medical examiner? No, So a medical examiner
Speaker 1: would be the one that would testify at court. I'm
Speaker 1: not a medical examiner. A medical examiner is like probably
Speaker 1: one of the most highly trained doctors that could be
Speaker 1: out there, and I'm certainly not one of those. A
Speaker 1: medical examiner has goes to medical school for four years,
Speaker 1: then does a pathology residency for four years, and then
Speaker 1: does additional forensic training on top of that before they're
Speaker 1: even allowed to be a medical examiner. And they are
Speaker 1: the ones that perform the autopsies but also determined to
Speaker 1: cause the death at the for forensic autopsies mostly, but
Speaker 1: obviously they do natural ones too, because sometimes you don't
Speaker 1: know if a death is suspicious or not. So the
Speaker 1: person the medical examiner do the autopsy and say, oh,
Speaker 1: they had cancer, but they just have to rule out
Speaker 1: that there wasn't foul play or anything. But but no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a medical examiner.
Speaker 2: How do we pick guests excluding the people that we
Speaker 2: already know?
Speaker 1: So I just am interested in so many different things
Speaker 1: that I want to share with you guys that are
Speaker 1: really cool, and especially I have so many questions. So
Speaker 1: for example, tomorrow we are interviewing a pretty famous funeral
Speaker 1: director and she I have a lot of questions to
Speaker 1: ask her because I've been doing autopsies for so many
Speaker 1: years and I never really sat down with a funeral
Speaker 1: director and had all of these conversations about things. I've
Speaker 1: always had questions too, and I know everybody has questions too.
Speaker 1: And then there's just like all this other stuff that
Speaker 1: you didn't even know existed. So I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: her a bunch of questions that I have questions to.
Speaker 1: There's all these We just hear all of this cool
Speaker 1: stuff and we meet all of these cool people, and
Speaker 1: that's that's how we decide, like what we're gonna share
Speaker 1: with you. So we're gonna doctor Shaham Das wrote a
Speaker 1: book called Into Minds that we loved and we loved
Speaker 1: talking to him in the grossroom. So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: him on soon. Well hopefully if he says yes, we
Speaker 1: have to ask him still. But we love him and
Speaker 1: he's a forensic psychiatrist and just his perspective on life
Speaker 1: is great. His perspective on criminals is great because a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, we're sitting here talking about
Speaker 1: this lady that gave this baby acidtone and button batteries,
Speaker 1: but he might be like, oh no, she's got she's
Speaker 1: got this and that, and it sometimes you own us
Speaker 1: feel a little bit of sympathy for these criminals he
Speaker 1: talks about because of their mental they're not just like
Speaker 1: all of them. They're not they don't have the devil
Speaker 1: in them. It's like they just have some psychiatric illness,
Speaker 1: maybe schizophrena or something that has them hearing voices to
Speaker 1: do something. And then you feel terrible for them because
Speaker 1: they're I mean, imagine hearing someone talk into your ear
Speaker 1: all day telling you to do horrible stuff. It's like
Speaker 1: it's not their fault. It's like something's wrong with their brain,
Speaker 1: just like something would be wrong with their pancreas or
Speaker 1: their lungs. So he has a really interesting perspective because
Speaker 1: he's worked in a psychiatric a forensic psychiatric hospital, has
Speaker 1: been punched in the face by people worked with killers,
Speaker 1: and just has a really interesting perspective. So we just
Speaker 1: think of We always just think of like, wow, that's cool.
Speaker 1: People might want to know that because it's not common knowledge.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's how obviously, like I have great
Speaker 1: connections with great people who are like, hey, you might
Speaker 1: want to interview my friend. They do this or they
Speaker 1: do that, and then of course suggestions from you guys
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really lucky to have you guys suggesting a
Speaker 2: bunch of people, which is how we lined up with
Speaker 2: our interview happening tomorrow. We'll keep that still under wraps
Speaker 2: even though you can probably figure it out. But and
Speaker 2: then we have our awesome family friend Michelle that really
Speaker 2: helps with a lot of this stuff. And you know,
Speaker 2: we like to offer unique perspectives, and especially me as
Speaker 2: a lay person, I've learned so much from your interviews
Speaker 2: with people, especially your interview with doctor Stephen Lynn yesterday.
Speaker 2: I learned all this crazy stuff about how leaky gut
Speaker 2: and dental issues relate, and sun exposure, in my mind
Speaker 2: is blown. So it's cool to really expand on some
Speaker 2: of these stories that we can. We only have so
Speaker 2: much time to get into and take a deeper dive
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's it. And if you guys have
Speaker 1: any sig ess, Like, obviously we're on Instagram, that's our
Speaker 1: biggest platform, but like we don't know every influencer that's
Speaker 1: doing cool things or just writing cool books or anything
Speaker 1: like that. So if you guys have any recommendations, we're
Speaker 1: always open to hear it because we just want to
Speaker 1: share all the cool knowledge.
Speaker 2: And we like to go on other shows too, So
Speaker 2: if you think we'd have a good spot on somebody
Speaker 2: else's show, you should let them know you'd like to
Speaker 2: hear us. All there, So all right, our last question
Speaker 2: is what are each of our roles within our business?
Speaker 1: Well, Maria's the boss and I have to ask permissionally,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess I make most of the content.
Speaker 1: I would say that's my particular job. Is just like
Speaker 1: coming up with the ideas, writing all the stuff, writing
Speaker 1: all the Instagram and then I come up with other
Speaker 1: ideas that I bring to Maria's attention to say like, hey,
Speaker 1: could we do this? Obviously it's like I'm a person
Speaker 1: and I'm married and I have three kids, and she's
Speaker 1: a person and she's married. So there's only so much
Speaker 1: time in the day for us to do stuff. And
Speaker 1: I have ideas of like what I want to do,
Speaker 1: and then we have ideas of like what's realistic to
Speaker 1: do because we a lot of it is like we're
Speaker 1: the only ones that could do it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we could really delegate it. Certain things to people
Speaker 1: we did like recently, not even recently, maybe it's been
Speaker 1: like a year now that we hired Michelle in the
Speaker 1: gross room, and she's writing articles for us, and she
Speaker 1: has a completely different perspective than I do, so so
Speaker 1: it's great. She's actually I feel like she's a much
Speaker 1: better writer than I am to but she Yeah, she
Speaker 1: writes about all sorts of interesting topics too, but mine
Speaker 1: is more for from a perspective of working in the
Speaker 1: lab and doing autopsies and what I would look for
Speaker 1: and what I would see, And she writes just from
Speaker 1: a different perspective, so that's cool. And Maria writes articles
Speaker 1: sometimes too.
Speaker 2: Maria helps, well, I like to stick to more historical
Speaker 2: things that don't require so much medical background because I
Speaker 2: feel like that's your expertise. I yeah, Like I like
Speaker 2: to write articles. I wrote one about the Great Smog
Speaker 2: in the in the forties or fifties in England. They
Speaker 2: covered it on the Crown and that's where I initially
Speaker 2: saw it. So I like to write about stories like
Speaker 2: that that have a historical component, but you could kind
Speaker 2: of just discuss what happened versus getting into all the
Speaker 2: nitty gritty like you usually do. So that's where I
Speaker 2: try to come in with cool facts and then I
Speaker 2: would say, you're the front end. I'm the back end
Speaker 2: to you all the content stuff, and I do a
Speaker 2: lot of the behind the scenes stuff like editing this podcast,
Speaker 2: setting up the meetings, making spreadsheet for everything, organizing the calendar, doing.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 2: So we both have very different personality.
Speaker 1: Types when it comes to doing things.
Speaker 2: But I think that this flow works for us. And
Speaker 2: the benefit of being a mother daughter duo is that
Speaker 2: when one of us messes up, we could scream at
Speaker 2: each other, but we still love each other at the.
Speaker 1: End of the day.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the kind of plus of working with
Speaker 2: family in that sense, is you could scream your head
Speaker 2: off and not worry about some HR complate because I
Speaker 2: am HR so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's just we we just have a
Speaker 1: back and forth all day. Like even if I'm writing,
Speaker 1: like yesterday, I was writing the first part of the
Speaker 1: of the Black Dohlia case, so I'll just scream across
Speaker 1: the room and say, hey, look this up for me?
Speaker 1: Is this is this something that we know about? Like
Speaker 1: I'll just because I didn't know even about this Glasgow
Speaker 1: smile thing. And then I said, hey, Bree, like, what's
Speaker 1: up with this this? I feel like this this wound
Speaker 1: is weird? Look it up? What is this while I'm
Speaker 1: writing something else. So there's like a lot of back
Speaker 1: and forth stuff we do. And Maria does all of
Speaker 1: the the av stuff just getting the podcast together. She
Speaker 1: makes the clips, she set up the videos, she set
Speaker 1: up the platforms that we use, She does all like
Speaker 1: that technical stuff. She does the whole entire grocery website too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we shockingly well I'm sure some people can't tell,
Speaker 2: but I can't believe that that when we record this,
Speaker 2: we're not together. You're you're in your space, I'm in
Speaker 2: my space. We're not in the same area. So we're
Speaker 2: not in the same house, we're not in the same place.
Speaker 2: So that's been fun technically learning how to chew that butt.
Speaker 1: And her yelling at me every time, like would you
Speaker 1: fucking get a new computer. Your computer's too old, it's
Speaker 1: too slow. Get a good computer. It's like ground hot
Speaker 1: to day, but it literally is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then we we do really work together
Speaker 2: every single day in person except for the day we
Speaker 2: record this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then the weekends, like you don't
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, you don't come to my house either,
Speaker 1: But we usually see each other because we're family spending
Speaker 1: forty hours a week with your mother. It's really horrible,
Speaker 1: Like your mom makes you lunch some days and buys
Speaker 1: you lunch the other days, and you never had it.
Speaker 1: You never have to buy your own coffee. And let's
Speaker 1: go on and on about this. You can come to
Speaker 1: work and your pajamas.
Speaker 2: You do make an exceptional lot day, I will say so,
Speaker 2: I am very grateful for that. And the days you don't,
Speaker 2: you buy me bubble tea and again and very thankful. So, no,
Speaker 2: we have we have a really good dynamic and it
Speaker 2: is it is really just us too, and then Michelle
Speaker 2: helps us with some content and other little things. So
Speaker 2: thank you guys for your patience all the time, because
Speaker 2: it's fresh shooting at times where we you know, we
Speaker 2: have a lot going on. There's there's a lot happening,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of content being put out and that's
Speaker 2: only us too, so there's only so much we could do.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for your Questionence.
Speaker 2: We appreciate all of your all of you listeners, and
Speaker 2: we're stoked to do this show and it's been a
Speaker 2: really cool couple of months so far, as.
Speaker 1: We've been having a great time doing this.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you guys so much. It's snowing
Speaker 2: where we live and we're having a nice little cozy
Speaker 2: snow day recording, so I hope wherever you are you're
Speaker 2: having a nice little day. So we will see you
Speaker 2: guys next week with our interview with our Secret Guest
Speaker 2: and our Nest episode.
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