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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. This week's story of the

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Speaker 1: week is a seventy seven year old murder, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's still in the headlines because it hasn't been solved yet.

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Speaker 1: Where you want to talk about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this past Monday, January fifteenth is the seventy

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Speaker 2: seventh anniversary of the Black Dahlia murder. For those of

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Speaker 2: you who are not familiar, you must not be a

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Speaker 2: true crime fan because this is one of the most

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Speaker 2: famous true crime cases of all. This twenty two year

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Speaker 2: old woman, Elizabeth Short. Her body was found cut in half,

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Speaker 2: drained of blood, organs moved around a smile carved into

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Speaker 2: her face. Very disturbing case to see this poor woman

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Speaker 2: and her child walked upon the scene, thought it was

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Speaker 2: a mannequin lying in the ground, only to realize it

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Speaker 2: was this woman. So this case was in Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 1: It has gone.

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Speaker 2: It is the one of the oldest popular cold cases

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Speaker 2: in true crime history. There's much speculation about who committed

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Speaker 2: the crime and how it was done, but it's kind

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Speaker 2: of been all over the place, and there's no conclusive answers,

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Speaker 2: and now that I think it's safe to say that

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Speaker 2: whoever killed this poor woman is probably dead. This case

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Speaker 2: will never really officially be solved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so we did since it was that

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Speaker 1: seventy seventh anniversary, we are doing in the gross room

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Speaker 1: a two part high profile death dis section, going through

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Speaker 1: all of the details of the case exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we did this week, and then next

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Speaker 1: week we're going to go over the autopsy, what they

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Speaker 1: found in the autopsy and why that was significant, and

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Speaker 1: also we're going to talk about the investigation and why

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Speaker 1: it's still a cold case. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: most shocking parts of the investigation is that there is

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Speaker 1: a man who is convinced that his father killed this woman,

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Speaker 1: and he has a pretty convincing story. But then there

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Speaker 1: was another book written about another person who also there

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Speaker 1: is a very convincing story that he was the one

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Speaker 1: that killed her too. But just even to read the

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Speaker 1: autopsy report and just about the details of this case,

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Speaker 1: it's very very disturbing how this woman was killed, and

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Speaker 1: she was killed in such a way that with such

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Speaker 1: precision that they believe it was a person that had

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Speaker 1: medical or anatomy knowledge as far as how well she

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Speaker 1: was dissected basically, and just other disturbing parts of the case.

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Speaker 1: She had a tattoo on her leg apparently that was

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Speaker 1: carved out and show into her vagina. And she had,

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Speaker 1: like Maria said, a smile carved into her face, which

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Speaker 1: is called a Glasgow smile. And it's a very specific

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Speaker 1: injury that was common in the early or the twenties,

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Speaker 1: early twentieth century with gangs, and it still continues today.

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Speaker 1: But it's when you cut someone from the corner of

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Speaker 1: their mouth to their ear and it creates a smile.

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Speaker 1: And the thought is is that you torture the person

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Speaker 1: and you either punch them, kick them in the genital,

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Speaker 1: stab them, or do something to make them scream, and

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Speaker 1: when they scream, this incision rips open even further, causing

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Speaker 1: really horrible scars if you actually survive it. But I

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Speaker 1: thought that that was one of the most interesting parts

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Speaker 1: of this case because of the time period it happened.

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Speaker 1: What's the significance of that when it was popular in

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Speaker 1: another country and it really wasn't a popular thing to

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Speaker 1: bizarre and it's sad that she'll never get justice, you know.

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Speaker 1: But another interesting thing, though, is that she really wanted

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Speaker 1: famous in her death, which is an interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very sad, and an element I wanted to

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Speaker 2: down to a few suspects who each have convincing cases

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Speaker 2: of why they're involved, so many people came forward and

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Speaker 2: confess to this crime. And I would love to have

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Speaker 2: our friend of the show, doctor Shaham das on soon

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Speaker 2: to kind of talk about the psychology of why there's

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Speaker 2: all these false confessions to crimes. We see this a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That actually that happened with John Bena Ramsey, remember

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Speaker 1: some guy. Yeah, that is true. We should make a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really a bummer because even if the

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Speaker 2: man that came forward that was a retired LAPD detective,

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Speaker 2: he had said in an interview that he collected so

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that that man would have been convicted.

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Speaker 2: So it's even though we could potentially figure out who

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Speaker 2: because whoever murdered her is now probably more than away

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got away with it. So her crime

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Speaker 2: is just never going to be solved and we're never

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Speaker 2: going to know why she was killed and why it

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Speaker 2: was so gruesome and horrific. We just don't see cases

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Speaker 2: to see that she became famous in the most negative way.

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Speaker 2: And this case is definitely really intriguing, and I'd be

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Speaker 2: interested to see if just more information trickles out over

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Speaker 1: We don't have any that many cases in the celebrity

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Speaker 1: section this week. Well there was a lot of repeat

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Speaker 1: stories about just Shannon Dougherty and but it's we don't

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Speaker 1: need to document every single, every single moment of these

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Speaker 1: people's lives and their anticipated deaths. But one story that

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Speaker 1: stock out to us this week was that an actor

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Speaker 1: from All My Children who was only fifty years old died.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about him? His name's Alec Mooser,

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Speaker 1: Alec Muser. Did you watch this show when it was

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Speaker 1: how old? But how old could he have been on it?

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Speaker 1: Because it was out when I was a little kid.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're talking about this the soap opera.

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Speaker 2: This is the show that Kelly Rippa met her husband

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Speaker 2: Mark and Swilas on they're both on this show.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Like my my mom watched one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was on in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, this guy, just Alec Muser, just died and

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Speaker 2: he was fifty years old, which is so young to die.

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Speaker 2: His fiance is saying he had a severe case of

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Speaker 2: COVID prior to his death, which she is believing to

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Speaker 2: be relevant to why he's dead. But we're still pending

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Speaker 2: an official cause of death, pending autopsy results. But he

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Speaker 1: Yet she said that he had he was fully vaccinated

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Speaker 1: you that was why he died. I don't know. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll do viral testing and they'll be able to figure

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Speaker 1: out if just because even if he is positive with COVID,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that that's what killed him. So they're

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Speaker 1: So they'll they'll see all that at autopsy, So we'll

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Speaker 2: To you when we get the results on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he died at his home, so I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 2: sad to see that he was possibly going through a

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Speaker 2: and maybe the COVID kind of just just knocked them off,

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Speaker 1: So we'll let everybody. Yeah, and I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: freak accidents this week. This one is something that I

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Speaker 2: And new thing I learned also is that you could

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Speaker 1: But that's not even the problem in this case. I

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Speaker 2: So thirteen people were on board of this hot air

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to survive

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Speaker 1: so it's just so scary. But I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I imagine that if you

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Speaker 2: So I have this like pop culture moment ingrained in

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Speaker 2: I don't did you write it was like addle, Like

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Speaker 1: It was like these these skittles. Yeah, it was like

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Speaker 1: And then it was schuizzizzles.

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Speaker 1: Was like a biohazard label with a giant weed leaf.

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Speaker 2: On one end, the store clerk is in the wrong

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Speaker 1: But what if this lady was forty five years old? Like,

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Speaker 2: if you think they look under thirty, not under twenty one,

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Speaker 2: But maybe this person was like, I'm definitely safe because

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Speaker 1: It's just because we travel, you know, not a lot,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even read the bag. Whatever. Well, but I'm

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Speaker 1: hit on the passenger side of the windshield, and luckily

436
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: the child was in the back seat of the car.

437
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: Guess who I sent this story to today? Who Gabe?

438
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: Because he always puts lets the kids drive in the

439
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: front seat when I'm not in the car, and it

440
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: drives me fucking crazy because I'm like, they're not old enough,

441
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be sitting there, and but he wants to

442
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: be like dad hero of the year when he picks

443
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: the kids up.

444
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: From school and like, ooh, I let you sit in

445
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: the front and your mom doesn't you know whatever, But

446
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: this is They said that the police were like, thank

447
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: god she was in the back seat because the windshield

448
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: the most damage was right to the passenger seat, And well, yeah, scary.

449
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: They always asked me to sit in the front seat

450
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: when I drive them, but I'm still scared of you,

451
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: so I.

452
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: I say, I always say no, like if we're which

453
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: it's it's stupid for going to softball. That's like around

454
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: the block, Like I'll be like, okay, you guys could,

455
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: which is just dumb because an accident can happen anytime.

456
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: But I will even go on a major road because

457
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm just I always just go down a rabbit hole

458
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: and stuff, and there's just no reason for it. That's

459
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: if it's like, oh, we have too many kids and

460
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: this and that. If there was like a reason for it,

461
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: it would make more sense. But I don't know. And

462
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: but one of the reasons I wanted to put this

463
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: story in here is because when when I was in

464
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: PA school, one of my friends LP, she was at

465
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: the Medical Examiners rotating there, and there was a case

466
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: of this happening on ninety five in Philly. A tire

467
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: popped off of a car or maybe it was a truck,

468
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it went over

469
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: the median and hit the windshield and the guy was

470
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: driving and it like knocked his head off. It was

471
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: that hard, like he obviously he went to the Medical

472
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: Examiner's office and he was dead, and apparently it seemed

473
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: like his wife was in the car and witnessed it,

474
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: and just just terrible. And it's always been a fear

475
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: of mind since LP told me about that autopsy, because

476
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, it happened on a highway that we travel

477
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: to all the time. It was like right near the airport.

478
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is some total like final destination death, like

479
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: so weird, horrible, but at least in this case these

480
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: two were okay.

481
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their car and you need to look up

482
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Speaker 1: the article and look at their car because you would

483
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: be like, holy shit, Like how scary is that?

484
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Speaker 2: Let's get started with violent crimes. I feel like we

504
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: should have an asshole of the Week category because we

505
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: have just certain stories where these people are just so

506
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: unbelievable and I can't believe that these are even things

507
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: that really happen. Yeah, this lady definitely deserves Asshole of

508
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: the Week for sure. So this happened in June of

509
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. This woman was living with her boyfriend

510
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: in Newcastle, Pennsylvania. The boyfriend had visitation rights of his

511
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: eighteen month old daughter that weekend, so he goes out

512
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: to the store and the girlfriend calls and says something's

513
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: wrong with the baby. When the guy returns home, the

514
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: baby's unresponsive. Nine one one's called and the baby's rest

515
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: to the hospital. Four days later, the baby dies, So

516
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: the girlfriend says that the child had hit her head quote,

517
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: cramped up and fell off the bed and therefore became unresponsive.

518
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: The autopsy showed, however, that the child had ingested numerous

519
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: water beads along with button sheep batteries and metal screw

520
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: months before she died, and then determined that her cause

521
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: of death had been from consuming acidtone.

522
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this this not only is this lady an asshole,

523
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: but she's a stupid she's stupid. She's a stupid ass

524
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: this pop Boop popa would say. She So they started

525
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: unraveling what happened to the child, because number one, if

526
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: you said that a kid hit them their head, and

527
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: you do the all time and there's not a single

528
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: bump on their head, then it's going to be a

529
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: little bit suspicious. But on top of that, she had

530
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: all of these crazy searches on the Internet, and she

531
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: was looking for things that were common household items that

532
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: were dangerous and harmful to children, looking for toys that

533
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: would are harmful for children, And she was really doing

534
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: research to find out how she could accidentally kill this kid.

535
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: And so let me tell you about some of the

536
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: things that they found her. In her blood, obviously, she

537
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: had a fatal level of acetone, which is a common

538
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: chemical that used to take off now polish, so that

539
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: they figured out that this woman was feeding this child

540
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: acetone or now polish remover. And then the other things

541
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: that they found were the button batteries. So when a

542
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: child in just these button batteries, they can erode inside

543
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: of the GI track can cause a perforation and ultimately

544
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: cause death. And these are like the little tiny silver

545
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: batteries that they're called button batteries because they are the

546
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: size of a button and they're common in like little

547
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: remote controls and stuff. And that's why you shouldn't give

548
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: a baby that because if they put everything in their

549
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: mouth and the butt, the battery could get accidentally ingested.

550
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: And the water beads we talked about too around Christmas time,

551
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: because that's another common thing that children play with. These

552
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: they're like sensory beads. They're these small beads and when

553
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: you put them in water, they expand and kids like

554
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: to play with them, like older kids like to play

555
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: with them, but younger kids, if they put them in

556
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: the mouth, the little tiny beads then expand in the

557
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: gi track and they could cause an obstruction, which then

558
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: could also cause a perforation, which could also lead to

559
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: death as well. So this woman was intentionally letting this

560
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: child either play with these things, were actually feeding these

561
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: things to this child, and the child if they're saying

562
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: that these items were there for months, it means that

563
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: they that they were stuck in there and had some

564
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: kind of an obstruction or something like that that they

565
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: noticed that autopsy, and it's just it's just terrifying to

566
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: think that if you have a boyfriend or you have

567
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: a husband, and you guys break up or get divorced

568
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: and then you have to send your kid the visitation

569
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: to another house, that some other person there would be

570
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: harming your child when they're not in your custody. It's

571
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: so scary.

572
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: So now this woman faces homicide charges, which is why

573
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: it's relevant this week, and they said when they read

574
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: the charges, she just stood in court totally emotionless and

575
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: blank face. So that's really nice to hear.

576
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: What it's wrong with these morons that are searching that

577
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: they think that they're going to get away with this stuff,

578
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and they're searching it like, are you're twenty years old?

579
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: You don't know how the internet works? By now? Really?

580
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know. Clearing your history doesn't erase it.

581
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: Once you type something in, it's there forever, it doesn't

582
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: matter what people are serious idiots. So we're deeming this

583
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: lady asshole of the idiot of the week.

584
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: All right. The next case that we're talking about is

585
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: also a really old case that happened in nineteen sixty eight,

586
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: this guy who has been called the Butcher of Belarus

587
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: is walking free.

588
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: So this guy, Vincent de Rosa, when he was sixteen

589
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: year old, sixteen years old in nineteen sixty eight, he

590
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: kidnapped a four year old child that lived in his neighborhood,

591
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: slaughtered her, and stuffed her in a suitcase. This is

592
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: really disturbing because he also joined the search party for

593
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: the little girl, which I also think would be a

594
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: really awesome topic to bring up with doctor Dos. Why

595
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: did these killers join search parties? I know Jeffrey Dahmer

596
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: took part in some of his victims search parties as well.

597
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: And then the girl's body was eventually found in the

598
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: attic of his family in nineteen sixty eight, eleven days

599
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: after her disappearance. And so first in this case, he

600
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: went to jail until nineteen seventy five, so for only

601
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: seven years, and he got released when he was twenty three.

602
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: At the time, he was only charged with manslaughter, which

603
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: I think is very, very bizarre because this is definitely

604
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: a first degree murder.

605
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't we don't really know what I don't. I

606
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: really couldn't find if he ever said what the motive

607
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: was he kidnapped her and said, apparently that she was

608
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: like talking too much, so he shoved it a rag

609
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: in her mouth. And I don't even know what her

610
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: cause of death was, but she was her neck was broke,

611
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: her bones were broken. I don't know if she was

612
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: asphyxiated with this thing he said he stuffed in her

613
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: mouth and put her in a suitcase. Apparently it didn't

614
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: seem as if she was sextually assaulted, but like, why,

615
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: like why did you do that? Why would you just

616
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: kidnap a child. Apparently they were sitting on the stoop

617
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 1: and the mom went in the house or some then

618
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and then she came out

619
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: and the kid was gone. And the most fucked up

620
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: part of this is that her brother is still alive,

621
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: who's now obviously an old man, and said that the

622
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: mom cried every day of her life after this kid died.

623
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean the children, the kids. The kid that died

624
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: had siblings that were only ten and twelve years old.

625
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: If the dad cried, I mean, like, think about how

626
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: this ripped apart an entire neighborhood and an entire family

627
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life, Like this woman cried

628
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: every day of her life until she died as an

629
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: old lady, Like, how horrible is that? And then this

630
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: guy got out of jail a couple years later.

631
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering if because he was technically a minor

632
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: when he committed the crime, if that's why it was

633
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: a lesser sentence. But it's absolutely disgusting to serve seven

634
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: years for taking a child's life.

635
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: So shocker.

636
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Fifteen years later, in nineteen eighty three, he then killed

637
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old foreign exchange student after he went

638
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: disappearing after a night of drinking with this guy, and

639
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: buried him in a shallow grave in his backyard. So

640
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: his brothers two years later were digging in the backyard

641
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: and fine skeletal remains and their brother's glasses with the

642
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: skeletal remain, which kind of stealed the deal that he

643
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: did it. So then he got served or he got

644
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison. He

645
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: has served thirty five of those years, and now he

646
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: has been granted parole at seventy two years old, and

647
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: he will be getting out of jail again.

648
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I can't wrap my brain around it.

649
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: I just can't, And really I do like how I

650
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: see things changing because you see a lot of kids

651
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: that I think it was in Philly last year, like

652
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids beat to death this guy with

653
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Speaker 1: a traffic cone or something, and they're getting charged. And

654
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're starting to be like, all right,

655
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: a kid that's sixteen years old can get charged with

656
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: murder now, because when you're sixteen, although your brain is

657
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: not developed, and you do dumb shit, I don't think

658
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: that you do dumb shit like kill a person, you

659
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I think that there has

660
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: to be a distinction. And I'm glad that they're not

661
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: just making this blanket roll like because that's how I

662
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: feel like it used to be back in the day,

663
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Speaker 1: Like you're under eighteen, it doesn't count kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And imagine, I just think about this little kid's parents.

665
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Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy five, it wasn't even that many

666
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: years later, their kids weren't even eighteen years old yet,

667
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: probably and the guy got out of jail again, they

668
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: must have been terrified.

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Speaker 2: Well, and who knows what he did in between the

670
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: fifteen years that.

671
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Speaker 1: He was I'm sure like he was a saint.

672
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you just go on break No, exactly.

673
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: So back to your point earlier. The first victim's brother

674
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: is still alive and says that nobody notified him he

675
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: was out of jail. He's scared of this guy getting released.

676
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: Seventy two years old is not that old, you know.

677
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: The when the Golden State killer was arrested a couple

678
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: of years ago, he acted like this frail old man,

679
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: and they had videos of him in the jail being

680
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: extremely active, and it was really scary to see because

681
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: this guy could still get out and commit a crime

682
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: no problem. It's not like he's ninety five and on

683
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: death's door, like you just don't know. And it's really

684
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: scary that they're just letting this guy out again after

685
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: they already proved that he was released and killed again.

686
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not like, oh, it was he killed

687
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: someone like I don't know. It was a bar fight

688
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, and there were witnesses and the guy died

689
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: by accident. Like think about this. We talked about this

690
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: last week. To step the train, those two people were

691
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: fighting on the platform and he punched the guy. The

692
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: guy fell backwards and got ran over by a train.

693
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: That guy didn't I more than likely will say that

694
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: that guy didn't go on the train platform that day

695
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: planning to push a person in front of a train

696
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: and have them die. It seemed like it was like

697
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: an impulsive fight that ended up and I believe he

698
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: punched the guy and then the guy fell backwards, like

699
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: he didn't push the guy.

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00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: Well, that's manslaughter, that's a death resulting in a reckless action.

701
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: So that's why I don't understand. It has to be

702
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: because he was a minor when he committed the first

703
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: crime with the child, because that is first degree murder.

704
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: He took her with the intention of killing her.

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00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Like I just how could you

706
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: think that a person could ever be rehabilitated that thinks

707
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: it's okay to just take a child off of a

708
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: step and freaking kill them and jam them in a suitcase.

709
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, but I feel like those people just

710
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: need to be away for life because they're just ruined,

711
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: like there's no coming back from that. Let's get into

712
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: the medical stories this week.

713
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: So this Turkish doctor is selling weight loss quote holidays,

714
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: which I believe is a vagage and Americans speak. But

715
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: he told an undercover BBC reporter that she needed to

716
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: gain weight in order to be eligible for a gastric

717
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: sleeve surgery. So can you explain the unethical nature behind

718
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: this decision.

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00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: So this medical tourism is a really hot topic right

720
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: now because surgeries are becoming really expensive, and especially plastic

721
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: surgeries or cosmetic procedures, and people are deciding like, hey,

722
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I know in America, I could get a Brazilian butt

723
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: lift for ten thousand dollars, but if I go to Mexico,

724
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: I could get one for two thousand dollars and you

725
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: get what you pay for kind of thing. You don't

726
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: know the regulations in the different countries that you're traveling to.

727
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: And this story takes place in the UK, and they

728
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: were specifically talking about like medical weight loss surgery, sleeve

729
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: gas strectomy, which is when they cut a portion of

730
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Speaker 1: the stomach off to make the stomach itself smaller, and

731
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Speaker 1: what happens during this surgery. So in America, for the

732
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: most part, that's covered on health insurance if you meet

733
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: certain criteria, And apparently in Turkey they won't do the

734
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: procedure either unless you meet a certain criteria, which they

735
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it anywhere because you don't need it done.

736
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: It's a surgery that's to combat obesity. Right. So this

737
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: person from the BBC reporter, she went and pretended like

738
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Speaker 1: she was going to go get this done. And when

739
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: she went there, her BMI was only twenty four I

740
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: think it was. It was pretty twenty four point yeah,

741
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: and it was normal, so that's like a normal weight.

742
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: And she went and the guy was like, well, I'm

743
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: going to schedule it for surgery, but you got to

744
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: make sure that you gain weight because your BMI has

745
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: to be thirty. And it just seems so it's so

746
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: unethical to say, hey, you're a normal weight, but gain

747
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: this weight in order to get this surgery done so

748
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: I could get paid. And the thing is is that

749
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: in the UK, this report was saying that it's between

750
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Speaker 1: ten and fifteen thousand with their money's pounds, right, yeah,

751
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen thousand pounds to get the surgery done

752
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: in the UK. But in Turkey you could get the

753
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: same surgery done for two thousand pounds. So they were

754
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: just going undercover to be like, well, what's going on

755
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: at these at these shady like things, right, And she

756
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 1: said that she went for the consultation and She said

757
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: that her BMI was twenty one. She said they never waited,

758
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: they never asked anything. So it looks like this whole

759
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: entire thing is to get people in. This doctor's gonna

760
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: get paid two grand to do this procedure, and he

761
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit a value. He doesn't care if

762
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: you go home and you drop dead or anything. He's

763
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: getting his two grand. So he's just telling you, like, hey,

764
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Speaker 1: I only could do the surgery if you gain weight.

765
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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's really kind of outrageous to be

766
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: honest with you.

767
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of get what you pay for. In

768
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: these circumstances. It's better to like do their research and

769
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: make sure you're getting a really good practice instead of

770
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: just getting the right present.

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00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, listen, a lot of people do this

772
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: all the time. They go to Brazil, they go to

773
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Mexico and they get things done and they have no issues,

774
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's like they saved a lot of money, right.

775
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: But there's horror stories, especially with the Brazilian butt lift situation,

776
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: of just people dying, necrosis, all this crazy stuff happening

777
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: because you just don't they don't have the same regulations

778
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: as here. But there's definitely a lot of countries that

779
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: have the same regulations that we do, and it's safe

780
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: to get surgery in other countries, but you just don't

781
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: know what you're getting if you're just going on a

782
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: vacation to get surgery, so it's probably best not to

783
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: do it.

784
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about this tide pod situation.

785
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: So I feel like when I was.

786
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: In college, the initial fad started where people were taking

787
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: videos and putting them online of them chewing them and

788
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: gagging to see how much they could handle. And then

789
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: we actually have a that knows somebody whose child died

790
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: eating one by accident.

791
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: That fella forgot about that well. But so the reason

792
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: that laundry pods are back in the news is because

793
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: some politicians in Taiwan, they're having an election, they decided

794
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: to give out as you know how like JFK would

795
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: give out pins with his name on it during the

796
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: election time and stuff. No, in Taiwan, they're given out

797
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: tie pods.

798
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: And this is another situation of if you guys are

799
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: in the grosser room, we link all the stories we

800
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: talk about so you could easily see all the pictures

801
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: we're referencing.

802
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: But this is a case where I looked at these.

803
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: Pictures and tide pods look like detergent to me, And

804
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: these did look like candies. They looked like little fun

805
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: syrups and plane pouches. And some people that have maybe

806
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: never seen detergent pods before would have absolutely no idea

807
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: what this would be. Definitely could very easily be mistaken

808
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: by candy, especially by the eighty year old man an

809
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: eighty six year old woman that in Taiwan that consumed these.

810
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: Yes, and like who exactly, like even in let's say

811
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: that even happened in America or happened anywhere, Like why

812
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: would you think that a political candidate was sending you

813
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: laundry detergent?

814
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of rude, Like does he think that

815
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: they need to deterg.

816
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know what would

817
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: be behind it, like why they would do it. But

818
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: like Maria was saying, the photos shows it does have

819
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: that little disintegrating like rap that they have on the

820
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: outside of them. But it's like two little ones and

821
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: one was green and one was blue, I think, but

822
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: I could see that an elderly person could think that

823
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: that was a piece of candy of some sort. I mean,

824
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: obviously you would know right away that it wasn't, but

825
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: it's too late. These things are filled with polymers and

826
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: ethanol and hydrogen peroxide, and they're toxic. And when this happening,

827
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: this was like a popular thing that was happening back

828
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. It was blamed for ten deaths, and

829
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: two of them were toddlers, which you could understand that

830
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: that would be appealing to a little kid, but eight

831
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: of them were senior citizens with dementia. So apparently that's

832
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: a thing they're saying.

833
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: They're trying to get these laundry pods banned completely. I

834
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: think this could be solved with a little stamp on it.

835
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: That's his detergent. Like, I don't think they need to.

836
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Does not need to be banned at all. It just

837
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: needs to be in because you if you go through

838
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: your cabinet, especially your cleaning materials, everything needs to be

839
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: banned because a kid could die from eating any of them. Right,

840
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: you have to keep it closed and not available to children.

841
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: That's the parents' job, right. I do think, however, that

842
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: politicians should not be giving them out as party favors

843
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: like that should be banned the practice of tide pods

844
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: as candy favors should be banned. I'm okay with that.

845
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: It's very weird to just give somebody detergent. I'm sorry, Like,

846
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of really.

847
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Rude that they're probably they're probably thinking like, hey, laundry

848
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: detergent's really expensive. If we give this person like a

849
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: load of free laundry, then maybe they'll vote for us.

850
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what the thinking is. It's it's so bizarre,

851
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: it's so busy. I don't blame these people. They were

852
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: elders and they didn't know better, and it does look

853
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: like candy. So agreed, all right, This next case is

854
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: messed up again. This happened back in twenty and eighteen.

855
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: So there was an Asian couple that spent over one

856
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to get IVF treatment so they could

857
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: have a baby, and the woman got pregnant and was

858
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: told that she was She got pregnant with two girls,

859
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: and shit started on ravelin real fast when she had

860
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: her ultrasound done and they were like, congratulations, you're present.

861
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: You're pregnant with twin boys. So that was when they

862
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: first started questioning the IVF clinic like, hey, I thought

863
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: you said you put two girls inside me, and I

864
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: have two boys inside me, and they kind of denied

865
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: it and blew it off. But the ultimate test came

866
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: when she gave birth to two boys that were not

867
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: only male, but they were white kids when this was

868
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: an Asian couple.

869
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the most messed up part of this was

870
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: they were forced to give up the kids to the

871
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: true biological parents.

872
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Yes, so how horrible. Yeah, going through an entire pregnancy

873
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: and then finding out quite early on in your pregnancy

874
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: that something might not be right, but still going along

875
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: with it, going through the whole pregnancy, giving birth, and

876
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: then having to give the babies away.

877
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: And the true biological mother to these embryos was also

878
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: mistakenly implanted with somebody else's embryo, but that ended up

879
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: in a miscarriage. So this fertility clinic is all over

880
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: the place.

881
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: I would be so scared if I did, if I

882
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: had IVF or something, just having in the back of

883
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: my mind like was that did someone there screw that up?

884
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: Because how crazy is that? And especially if you went

885
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: to that particular clinic, I would be like getting DNA

886
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: testing done and stuff. I mean, it doesn't matter. Ultimately,

887
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: if you love your kid, it's your kid, whatever, but

888
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: it's you would also want to know if your biological

889
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: child was being raised by someone else.

890
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, I think there's many problems in this.

891
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: The first couple that gave birth, like the woman went

892
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: through the entire experience of thinking she was going to

893
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: become a mother, having her body change, delivering the babies,

894
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: only to find out that they're not hers, and then

895
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: she can't even keep them. There's this component of it

896
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: where you might there might be a switch up and

897
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: you could deliver the wrong baby, but you raised that

898
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: kid as your own, and who cares because a kid

899
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: is a kid and you want to form a loving

900
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: bond with them. But to give birth and then have

901
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: to immediately give them away.

902
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: How could you ever get over that? I don't know,

903
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: you would have serious issues. Yeah, it's like it's like

904
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: a life ruining event. And plus who knows, maybe she

905
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: couldn't have any more kids or something like. It's it sucks.

906
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're going through I think that I

907
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: don't want to say this about everybody, but I want

908
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: to say if most people going through IVF, I assume

909
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: have had issues with natural conception, which is why they're

910
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: going this route. So it's not only enough that you

911
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: have to go through this whole mental game of I

912
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: can't get pregnant naturally, but then finally there's these medical

913
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: advancements that allow you to do it anyway, and then

914
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: you can't even keep the babies and it makes me

915
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: stick to my stomach thinking about it. And then this

916
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: clinic is just totally blowing them off like this is

917
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: one hundred percent not acceptable.

918
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. But they're gonna get theirs and

919
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be good. I mean, they could prove

920
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: all of it, so it's you just can't.

921
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: You can't make errors like this. They're just these companies

922
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: don't have these systems in place to make sure this

923
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. And it's really this hard.

924
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you can do this technology and get

925
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: someone pregnant under a microscope and inject them and this

926
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: and that, and then you don't take simple precautions as

927
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: to how not to mix up the specimens, like it's

928
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: the simplest thing in the world. It's just crazy.

929
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody is just so vegged out, and

930
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, I find it funny because I get made

931
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: of fun of so often because I have my journal.

932
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: You know that I religiously schedule out every week and

933
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: all like everything in my life, and everybody thinks I'm

934
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: a psycho for doing that. But that's how you run

935
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: a business and you keep things together. So I think

936
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: some people need to take more a type and anally

937
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: organized people to be kind of controlling these systems, because

938
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: I just don't see how this even is possibly acceptable.

939
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: So you're saying you wouldn't put like me in charge

940
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: of the freezer at the embryo clinic.

941
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: I don't think I would, And it's it's nothing against you.

942
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: I just think I'm more organized than you, So if

943
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: the job was between the two of us, I would

944
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: think me, the spreadsheet queen, could could keep a little

945
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: more organization going in that system.

946
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: All right. So this next story I wanted, I wanted

947
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: to talk about because this situation has happened to me before.

948
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to get started on it?

949
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god, as I was reading this, a sweating thing.

950
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: This twenty two year old woman went to the bathroom

951
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: around midnight and nothing was out of the ordinary, and

952
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: then an hour later goes back and realizes her legs

953
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: are turning blue, so her her and her partner call

954
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: an ambulance and the medic slot she was having a

955
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: blood clot and as they're going through the medical process

956
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: of getting to the hospital, her fingers start turning blue

957
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: as well, and she's freaking out. Nobody knows what's going on.

958
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: So hours passed and her legs start then turning black

959
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: and they think they're bruised. They put it on a

960
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: blood thinner. Nobody could figure out what was going on.

961
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: It turns out that the dye in her leggings was

962
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: rubbing off on her legs, which was turning her legs

963
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: black and blue.

964
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: It's seriously like this has happened to me because I

965
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: wear black jeans almost every single day of my life,

966
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: and if you if you're outside and you get like

967
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: wet in the rain, or if you sweat or something,

968
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: it stains your skin. Sometimes blue jeans do it too, right,

969
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: And I remember I had like a you know, those

970
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: like really dark levies, the like old school color ones,

971
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: those really really dark blue ones. I had them once

972
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: and like I pulled my pants down to go to

973
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: the bathroom and my thighs were like all blue and

974
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck, why is my skin

975
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: such a weird color? And then I was like, oh,

976
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: I saw it on my fingers later, and I was like, Oh,

977
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: it has to be from my pants, just from like

978
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: sweating or something. And I'm sure this is happened to

979
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: so many other people, just not this woman. But it's

980
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: you start reading the story and you're just like, oh God,

981
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: this lady was having a blood clot while she was

982
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: pregnant PSA. And then all of a sudden, it's like, Oh,

983
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: it's it's because of her pants that die in her pants.

984
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, best case scenario for the situation. She posted

985
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: her this whole story on TikTok and it's gone viral

986
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: obviously because it's hilarious, and she's like, I'm so embarrassed

987
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: to talk about it.

988
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: It's true, like she she is giving some uh information

989
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: because like, if this happens to someone else, then they

990
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: would save themselves embarrassment going to the emergency room for

991
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: absolutely no reason.

992
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: That's just like a rollback over and go to bed thing,

993
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And look at all the

994
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: drama it caused. Oh yeah, totally.

995
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: So at least this is a good situation coming out

996
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: of it and funny to talk about, but I've definitely

997
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: been in that position as well. So I feel like

998
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: most people that wear black jeans are leggings.

999
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: Totally can really it's true, all right. In other death news,

1000
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: we have one story this week which is a story

1001
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't believe that we talked about it on Mother

1002
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: Knows Death, but we have talked about it in the

1003
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: gross room for sure. That it involves a funeral home

1004
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: in Colorado called Return to Nature that started around twenty seventeen,

1005
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: and their mission was to give people to offer people

1006
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: green burials, which is without embalming fluid, and also cremations.

1007
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: So do you want to tell them so, like what

1008
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: bad shit they did? Yeah?

1009
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: So there was the police forgetting all these reports of

1010
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: this absolutely horrible smell coming from this building in Colorado,

1011
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: and so in November, the owners of this funeral home

1012
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: were arrested. Well, first of all, they fled to Oklahoma

1013
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: trying to avoid prosecution, like you could possibly do that

1014
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: in this case. But investigators entered the Colorado funeral home

1015
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: and found two hundred abandoned bodies. There was stacks of

1016
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: partially covered human remains, bodily fluid several inches deep on

1017
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: the floor, flies and maggots in the whole building. How

1018
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: absolutely disgusted. Could you even fathom what that would smell like?

1019
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: No, I can't, But I mean technically it is a

1020
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: burt a green burial without embombing fluid. Yeah, but this

1021
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: is where the problem comes. It's not there's a lot

1022
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: of problems, trust me, a lot.

1023
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, maybe if these people had stink bombs, then they give.

1024
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope that the police did that showed up

1025
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: and had to and also the all of the investigators

1026
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: that had to take all these bodies and examine them

1027
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: and identify them.

1028
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: So twenty three of the bodies were from twenty nineteen

1029
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: and sixty one of them were from twenty twenty. The

1030
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: messed apart is that some of these families had received

1031
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: remains of their loved ones supposedly, but it turns out

1032
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: that these people were sending them like concrete mix. It's

1033
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: it's so messed up.

1034
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Like there was one story about a woman that thought

1035
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: her husband was he was military, he was a VET,

1036
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: and thought that he was taken care of at a

1037
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: VET cemetery and they didn't. They didn't even it's not

1038
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: even him like it's it's just so crazy to think

1039
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: about that. They also found animal remains, so I'm assuming

1040
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: that they were trying to push off like dead animal

1041
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: cremains as as human as well giving them to people.

1042
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: They were saying that this was a mixture of infants, children, adults,

1043
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: and it's like their marketing is like, hey, we don't

1044
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: We're not going to put all these chemicals into your

1045
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: family member. And I mean, I guess I don't know

1046
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: what their plan was because technically they're not doing that,

1047
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: but like what were they doing. They were just going

1048
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: to plan on what was that plan? So just doesn't

1049
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: make any sense.

1050
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: Again, idiots were texting each other about it, so obviously

1051
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: that's been pulled up. But the police found text between

1052
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 2: them showing that they were under financial pressures. They had

1053
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: fears they'd be caught for mishandling the bodies. One of

1054
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: the coners, the coners were also the owners, were also

1055
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: a married couple, so one of them suggested getting rid

1056
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: of the bodies and digging them in a big hole

1057
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: or setting them on.

1058
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Fact, they were going to dig a big hole and

1059
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: put lie on them to digest their bodies. I mean,

1060
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: what do you think like I want to know what

1061
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: their business plan was, like, all right, we're going to

1062
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: offer these green funerals like number one, Well, we are

1063
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: interviewing a funeral director that this week or next week,

1064
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: so we were definitely going to ask these questions like

1065
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: when you open a funeral home, like don't aren't there regulations?

1066
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: Isn't there some kind of board coming in and checking

1067
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: to make sure you're doing what you're said you're doing

1068
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: and your following all of these standards. I don't know

1069
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: what their plan was.

1070
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: I I feel like there has to be some inspection service,

1071
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know. We could confirm that in the

1072
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: interview tomorrow. But also I wonder if these bodies were

1073
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: stored in a building that was off premise of the

1074
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: funeral home so that they wouldn't get caught, because then

1075
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: they would pass all the inspections because they wouldn't be

1076
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: looking in a random place.

1077
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think though, even with the inspections, they're

1078
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: not like okay, like what's your procedure, like when you

1079
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: accept a body, like where is it going? Unless they

1080
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: were just playing the part and collecting the money so

1081
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: they didn't have to pay for the other stuff. I mean,

1082
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: I understand that that's probably what they were doing. But

1083
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: if you, if you're especially if you work in the

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Speaker 1: funeral industry, you know what happens when humans decomposed and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're talking like that amount of bodies, two

1086
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: hundred bodies d composing like that would smell very far away.

1087
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be like from here to the ext door

1088
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: neighbor's house. You would be able to smell it from

1089
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: a hot like a distance away, especially on days where

1090
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: it's like really windy or something. Just like, what are

1091
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: you thinking, Like what did you think was going to

1092
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: happen with this? That nobody would ever figure this out?

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: I think about how psycho the restaurant health inspections are,

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00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: and it just makes me wonder how some of these

1095
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: other industries don't get in trouble because the restaurant industry

1096
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: is so psychotic with the inspections. I remember this one

1097
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: specific time this bar I worked out, we got fined

1098
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: because our shelves in the basement that didn't hold any

1099
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: food on them, weren't painted, they were just raw wood,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: and they had to come they like failed us and

1101
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: had to come back for that. And then I think

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00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: of this funeral home that has two hundred decaying bodies

1103
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: for multiple years in a back room show somewhere, and

1104
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: how they just kept going. I mean twenty nineteen was

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Also, like just that, like you're you're just showing up

1107
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: to this displace and like throwing a human on top

1108
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: of a pile of humans, like you're you're you're like

1109
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: missing a chip, dude for real.

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Speaker 2: And then you think you're going to go to Oklahoma

1111
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: and you're.

1112
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: Just gonna, yeah, charge at least go to another country, morons. Yeah.

1113
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: So now they're accused of abusing corpses, stealing, laundering money,

1114
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: forging documents. They're charged with approximately one hundred and ninety

1115
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: counts of abuse of a corpse, five counts of theft,

1116
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: four counts of the money laundering, fifty counts of the forgery.

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00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: They are absolute idiots, And I feel really bad for

1118
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: the families that don't have their loved ones like real remains,

1119
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: and they essentially got concrete MIxS.

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Speaker 1: It's really that actually is like you know how we

1121
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: always talk about things that we could just like live

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00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: our whole life not knowing, Like I just wouldn't even

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: want to know. I wouldn't want to know, like I,

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: and I know that they have to notify you and everything,

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: but like that's like like a life ruining thing for people.

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Speaker 1: Like if I if I was in if I had

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: sent like my family member there, and just knowing what

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: I know about, like what this visual scene was and

1129
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: thinking that like my dad or my anybody was like

1130
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: under a pile of decomposing people in a pile of

1131
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: like necrotics slop like that, it just would like further,

1132
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: it would just be permanently in my mind all the time,

1133
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: Like it just would. It would just be so upsetting

1134
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: and just thank god that this neighbor called the police

1135
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: and was like, what is that smell? And then imagine

1136
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: being that neighbor that smelled that all the time. She

1137
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: probably smelled it for a very long time before they

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01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: decided to call, because that's usually what happens. And then

1139
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: finding out that you're smelling people that are decaying, It

1140
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: would it would make you physically sick, right to think

1141
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: that you were smelling that in your house.

1142
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, the Emmys were last night, and

1143
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: this episode remember last year they made that Jeffrey Dahmer show. Yeah,

1144
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: there was an episode nominated for best writing, and it

1145
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: was called bad Meat, and it was when his neighbor

1146
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: called because the smell was so bad in the apartment.

1147
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: And I thought that was going to win, because I

1148
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: was that was a truly compelling episode the way it

1149
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: was written. And that's all I can think about is

1150
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: that lady calling the police all the time saying it

1151
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: smelled so bad, and then blowing her off, and then

1152
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: finally they're like, oh, this guy's just been killing and

1153
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: eating people for years.

1154
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean at least. I mean thank god though

1155
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: that this person called, because otherwise these people might have

1156
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: continued to get away with this. I mean, how would

1157
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: you I think I remember reading a past article with

1158
01:01:53,720 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: people saying like, when you get cremains of someone, if

1159
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: you've never seen them before, how are you supposed to

1160
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: know what they look like? They actually look quite I

1161
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: would think like prior, Like we watched Meet the Parents

1162
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: the other day, Remember the part where he pops the

1163
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: cork off and it hits the mom's urn and the

1164
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: urn falls on the ground and the ashes are there,

1165
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 1: and then the cat peas on the ashes. Yeah, that's

1166
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: not really what like, that's not what cremaanes look like.

1167
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: They're usually like a little bit more like chunkier. There's

1168
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'm not like, it doesn't look like

1169
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: cigarette ashes like you think it would look like.

1170
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, like you are familiar with it. But

1171
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: I would have zero idea, And I don't think i'd

1172
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: be googling what it looked like if I wasn't talking

1173
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 2: about it. Now I'm going to because we're talking about

1174
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: it and I'm curious. But I don't think in a

1175
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: normal setting, if I had a love one died, I'd

1176
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: be like, this might not be them when we look.

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Speaker 1: And how are you gonna.

1178
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: Trust even if you're even if you sent your relative

1179
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: to them? In the two So they started in twenty seventeen,

1180
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: and they're saying the oldest bodies dated back to twenty nineteen.

1181
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: How are you gonna trust in that two year window

1182
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: that you got services done there, that you actually received

1183
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: the right process and you have your loved ones and

1184
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: they weren't just disposing of the bodies the whole time. Oh,

1185
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: pretty much anybody that's ever been sent there has to

1186
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: consider it a wash because how would you know?

1187
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: And how I mean, how many bodies are they getting

1188
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,479
Speaker 1: there a year?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I don't see. There has

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: to be some mental illness or something going on. I

1191
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: just don't see how you could just keep collecting bodies.

1192
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: And don't you think if you got to a point

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: where you had one body and you couldn't handle the

1194
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: services or you couldn't afford it, that you would have

1195
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: to just shut down your business.

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Speaker 1: People are so weird about stuffs. It always amazes me

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: when you have like a couple, especially that two people

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: come together and say, like, you know what, this is

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna handle this. We're just gonna put them

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: in this giant barn and start stacking them on top

1201
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: of each other and closing door like, and both of

1202
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: them were like, Okay, that's a good idea.

1203
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: Let's keep doing that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I

1204
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: think I think there's just something really deep going on,

1205
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: and it's all gonna come out in court because I

1206
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: if they're I don't know. I'm thinking if they fled,

1207
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to plead not guilty to this because

1208
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: something clearly, something's clearly not right.

1209
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: But you never know.

1210
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: I would be interested in watching a trial of this magnitude.

1211
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: But I also don't think we should waste the resources

1212
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: on people like this when they're so clearly guilty. All Right,

1213
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: onto our Questions of the Day. Every Friday on the

1214
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: at Mother Knows Death Instagram, we put up a little

1215
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: question box your guys. Questions are awesome every week, but

1216
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: we can only pick a couple to answer. So our

1217
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: first one this week is have you ever served as

1218
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: an expert witness in court?

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: No?

1220
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that that. Would you be interested? Now,

1221
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: that's I'm pretty sure because we're like for malpractice purposes,

1222
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: we're covered underneath of the physicians that we work for

1223
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: for the most part in the hospital. So I don't think, like,

1224
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know of any PAS that have for pathologists

1225
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: assistance anyway, I don't. But I'm not saying that PAS

1226
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: don't do that. I'm just saying that in particular, like

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Speaker 1: that's never been That's never been a thing that I've

1228
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: ever been asked to do, or anybody that I know

1229
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: in my profession has been asked to do. All Right, next,

1230
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Speaker 1: are you a medical examiner? No, So a medical examiner

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01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: would be the one that would testify at court. I'm

1232
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: not a medical examiner. A medical examiner is like probably

1233
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: one of the most highly trained doctors that could be

1234
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: out there, and I'm certainly not one of those. A

1235
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: medical examiner has goes to medical school for four years,

1236
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: then does a pathology residency for four years, and then

1237
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: does additional forensic training on top of that before they're

1238
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: even allowed to be a medical examiner. And they are

1239
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: the ones that perform the autopsies but also determined to

1240
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: cause the death at the for forensic autopsies mostly, but

1241
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: obviously they do natural ones too, because sometimes you don't

1242
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: know if a death is suspicious or not. So the

1243
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: person the medical examiner do the autopsy and say, oh,

1244
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: they had cancer, but they just have to rule out

1245
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: that there wasn't foul play or anything. But but no,

1246
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a medical examiner.

1247
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: How do we pick guests excluding the people that we

1248
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: already know?

1249
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: So I just am interested in so many different things

1250
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: that I want to share with you guys that are

1251
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: really cool, and especially I have so many questions. So

1252
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: for example, tomorrow we are interviewing a pretty famous funeral

1253
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: director and she I have a lot of questions to

1254
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: ask her because I've been doing autopsies for so many

1255
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: years and I never really sat down with a funeral

1256
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: director and had all of these conversations about things. I've

1257
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: always had questions too, and I know everybody has questions too.

1258
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: And then there's just like all this other stuff that

1259
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: you didn't even know existed. So I'm going to ask

1260
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: her a bunch of questions that I have questions to.

1261
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: There's all these We just hear all of this cool

1262
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: stuff and we meet all of these cool people, and

1263
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: that's that's how we decide, like what we're gonna share

1264
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: with you. So we're gonna doctor Shaham Das wrote a

1265
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,479
Speaker 1: book called Into Minds that we loved and we loved

1266
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: talking to him in the grossroom. So we're gonna have

1267
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: him on soon. Well hopefully if he says yes, we

1268
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: have to ask him still. But we love him and

1269
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: he's a forensic psychiatrist and just his perspective on life

1270
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: is great. His perspective on criminals is great because a

1271
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, we're sitting here talking about

1272
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: this lady that gave this baby acidtone and button batteries,

1273
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: but he might be like, oh no, she's got she's

1274
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: got this and that, and it sometimes you own us

1275
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: feel a little bit of sympathy for these criminals he

1276
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: talks about because of their mental they're not just like

1277
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: all of them. They're not they don't have the devil

1278
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: in them. It's like they just have some psychiatric illness,

1279
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe schizophrena or something that has them hearing voices to

1280
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: do something. And then you feel terrible for them because

1281
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: they're I mean, imagine hearing someone talk into your ear

1282
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: all day telling you to do horrible stuff. It's like

1283
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: it's not their fault. It's like something's wrong with their brain,

1284
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: just like something would be wrong with their pancreas or

1285
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,839
Speaker 1: their lungs. So he has a really interesting perspective because

1286
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: he's worked in a psychiatric a forensic psychiatric hospital, has

1287
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: been punched in the face by people worked with killers,

1288
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: and just has a really interesting perspective. So we just

1289
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: think of We always just think of like, wow, that's cool.

1290
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: People might want to know that because it's not common knowledge.

1291
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: So I guess that's how obviously, like I have great

1292
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: connections with great people who are like, hey, you might

1293
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: want to interview my friend. They do this or they

1294
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: do that, and then of course suggestions from you guys

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Speaker 1: all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really lucky to have you guys suggesting a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people, which is how we lined up with

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Speaker 2: our interview happening tomorrow. We'll keep that still under wraps

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Speaker 2: even though you can probably figure it out. But and

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Speaker 2: then we have our awesome family friend Michelle that really

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Speaker 2: helps with a lot of this stuff. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we like to offer unique perspectives, and especially me as

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Speaker 2: a lay person, I've learned so much from your interviews

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: with people, especially your interview with doctor Stephen Lynn yesterday.

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: I learned all this crazy stuff about how leaky gut

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Speaker 2: and dental issues relate, and sun exposure, in my mind

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Speaker 2: is blown. So it's cool to really expand on some

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Speaker 2: of these stories that we can. We only have so

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Speaker 2: much time to get into and take a deeper dive

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Speaker 2: on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's it. And if you guys have

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Speaker 1: any sig ess, Like, obviously we're on Instagram, that's our

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Speaker 1: biggest platform, but like we don't know every influencer that's

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Speaker 1: doing cool things or just writing cool books or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. So if you guys have any recommendations, we're

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Speaker 1: always open to hear it because we just want to

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Speaker 1: share all the cool knowledge.

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Speaker 2: And we like to go on other shows too, So

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Speaker 2: if you think we'd have a good spot on somebody

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Speaker 2: else's show, you should let them know you'd like to

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Speaker 2: hear us. All there, So all right, our last question

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Speaker 2: is what are each of our roles within our business?

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Speaker 1: Well, Maria's the boss and I have to ask permissionally,

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess I make most of the content.

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Speaker 1: I would say that's my particular job. Is just like

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Speaker 1: coming up with the ideas, writing all the stuff, writing

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Speaker 1: all the Instagram and then I come up with other

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Speaker 1: ideas that I bring to Maria's attention to say like, hey,

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Speaker 1: could we do this? Obviously it's like I'm a person

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Speaker 1: and I'm married and I have three kids, and she's

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Speaker 1: a person and she's married. So there's only so much

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Speaker 1: time in the day for us to do stuff. And

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Speaker 1: I have ideas of like what I want to do,

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Speaker 1: and then we have ideas of like what's realistic to

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Speaker 1: do because we a lot of it is like we're

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Speaker 1: the only ones that could do it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we could really delegate it. Certain things to people

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Speaker 1: we did like recently, not even recently, maybe it's been

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Speaker 1: like a year now that we hired Michelle in the

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Speaker 1: gross room, and she's writing articles for us, and she

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: has a completely different perspective than I do, so so

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Speaker 1: it's great. She's actually I feel like she's a much

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: better writer than I am to but she Yeah, she

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: writes about all sorts of interesting topics too, but mine

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Speaker 1: is more for from a perspective of working in the

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Speaker 1: lab and doing autopsies and what I would look for

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Speaker 1: and what I would see, And she writes just from

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Speaker 1: a different perspective, so that's cool. And Maria writes articles

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Speaker 1: sometimes too.

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Speaker 2: Maria helps, well, I like to stick to more historical

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Speaker 2: things that don't require so much medical background because I

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Speaker 2: feel like that's your expertise. I yeah, Like I like

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Speaker 2: to write articles. I wrote one about the Great Smog

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Speaker 2: in the in the forties or fifties in England. They

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Speaker 2: covered it on the Crown and that's where I initially

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Speaker 2: saw it. So I like to write about stories like

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Speaker 2: that that have a historical component, but you could kind

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Speaker 2: of just discuss what happened versus getting into all the

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Speaker 2: nitty gritty like you usually do. So that's where I

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Speaker 2: try to come in with cool facts and then I

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Speaker 2: would say, you're the front end. I'm the back end

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Speaker 2: to you all the content stuff, and I do a

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Speaker 2: lot of the behind the scenes stuff like editing this podcast,

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Speaker 2: setting up the meetings, making spreadsheet for everything, organizing the calendar, doing.

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Speaker 1: All of that.

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Speaker 2: So we both have very different personality.

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Speaker 1: Types when it comes to doing things.

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Speaker 2: But I think that this flow works for us. And

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Speaker 2: the benefit of being a mother daughter duo is that

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Speaker 2: when one of us messes up, we could scream at

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Speaker 2: each other, but we still love each other at the.

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Speaker 1: End of the day.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the kind of plus of working with

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Speaker 2: family in that sense, is you could scream your head

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Speaker 2: off and not worry about some HR complate because I

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Speaker 2: am HR so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's just we we just have a

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Speaker 1: back and forth all day. Like even if I'm writing,

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Speaker 1: like yesterday, I was writing the first part of the

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Speaker 1: of the Black Dohlia case, so I'll just scream across

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Speaker 1: the room and say, hey, look this up for me?

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Speaker 1: Is this is this something that we know about? Like

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Speaker 1: I'll just because I didn't know even about this Glasgow

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Speaker 1: smile thing. And then I said, hey, Bree, like, what's

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: up with this this? I feel like this this wound

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Speaker 1: is weird? Look it up? What is this while I'm

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Speaker 1: writing something else. So there's like a lot of back

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Speaker 1: and forth stuff we do. And Maria does all of

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Speaker 1: the the av stuff just getting the podcast together. She

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Speaker 1: makes the clips, she set up the videos, she set

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Speaker 1: up the platforms that we use, She does all like

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Speaker 1: that technical stuff. She does the whole entire grocery website too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we shockingly well I'm sure some people can't tell,

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: but I can't believe that that when we record this,

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Speaker 2: we're not together. You're you're in your space, I'm in

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Speaker 2: my space. We're not in the same area. So we're

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Speaker 2: not in the same house, we're not in the same place.

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Speaker 2: So that's been fun technically learning how to chew that butt.

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Speaker 1: And her yelling at me every time, like would you

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Speaker 1: fucking get a new computer. Your computer's too old, it's

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01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: too slow. Get a good computer. It's like ground hot

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Speaker 1: to day, but it literally is.

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01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then we we do really work together

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Speaker 2: every single day in person except for the day we

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Speaker 2: record this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then the weekends, like you don't

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Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, you don't come to my house either,

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Speaker 1: But we usually see each other because we're family spending

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: forty hours a week with your mother. It's really horrible,

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: Like your mom makes you lunch some days and buys

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01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: you lunch the other days, and you never had it.

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: You never have to buy your own coffee. And let's

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: go on and on about this. You can come to

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Speaker 1: work and your pajamas.

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Speaker 2: You do make an exceptional lot day, I will say so,

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Speaker 2: I am very grateful for that. And the days you don't,

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 2: you buy me bubble tea and again and very thankful. So, no,

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 2: we have we have a really good dynamic and it

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: is it is really just us too, and then Michelle

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Speaker 2: helps us with some content and other little things. So

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Speaker 2: thank you guys for your patience all the time, because

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01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 2: it's fresh shooting at times where we you know, we

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: have a lot going on. There's there's a lot happening,

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01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of content being put out and that's

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: only us too, so there's only so much we could do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for your Questionence.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all of your all of you listeners, and

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Speaker 2: we're stoked to do this show and it's been a

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Speaker 2: really cool couple of months so far, as.

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Speaker 1: We've been having a great time doing this.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you guys so much. It's snowing

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Speaker 2: where we live and we're having a nice little cozy

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: snow day recording, so I hope wherever you are you're

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: having a nice little day. So we will see you

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Speaker 2: guys next week with our interview with our Secret Guest

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Speaker 2: and our Nest episode.

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Speaker 1: So bye bye, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist assistant.

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I've

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,

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01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

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01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

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01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 1: having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: an urgent care center, emergency room or hospital. Please rate, review,

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: or anywhere you get podcasts. Thanks