WEBVTT - Bonus: In Case You Missed It 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:13.560 you a Charlotte? Thanks for coming back, everybody. This is 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.360 going to be part two of our favorite moments from 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:17.520 the first six months of. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.840 Are You a Charlotte. I hope you enjoy. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.959 And I'm honored to have you for many reasons. Number One, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.680 I'd just like to see you. I love to see 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.639 Number two Lena, in case you guys don't know, is 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.520 a multi hyphen it. I'm going to tell you your whole 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.320 resume later and you're not in front of me. But 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.400 the thing that's important is that her knowledge a film 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:41.720 and television is so expansive and deep, and this is 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.960 partly why I love her. Like when we first started, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.080 and just like that, you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.400 I don't know what panicky thing I had sent to 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.400 you or whatever, but you know, you're just very grounding. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.480 Your knowledge is very grounding in terms of you know 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:00.320 what has happened before, you know how things develop in 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.040 our culture on television, in film, what it means, and 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.479 as you just said to me when you sat down 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.320 we were talking about this episode, you said, I think 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:08.840 television has a time stamp. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.360 But tell me more, what do you mean exactly? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.759 Well, I think sometimes when people look at TV from 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.600 say ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.960 in moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.840 no Onah would make that joke today, or you couldn't 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.240 do that now. And what's interesting about that is what 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.520 I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.680 a time stamp of where we were at that time 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.400 and what was happening in the world then. And so 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.679 I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters, 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.760 in a way, this is sort of giving us a 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.600 sense of what New York was at that time, what 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.640 it was for women at that time, what the limits 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.400 were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.560 talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.520 And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:58.800 up with it. I was, like am I I was 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.600 a teenager when it first came, and so I was 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.200 learning so much about what it meant to be an 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.400 adult friend by watching you all. And I think I 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.399 was more interest than that than the love stories per se. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.480 But the love stories were there as well sold you 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.640 about self love and how you see yourself. But watching 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.240 it now as a forty year old person revisiting the episode, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.079 for a lot of us who are my age, we 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:28.160 feel a little confronted by now Sex and the City 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.320 because we are now the ages that you guys were 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:37.679 then at that time, and we're seeing ourselves play out 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.800 some of these storylines, and that I think is saying 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.880 that the show. You may point certain things out and say, oh, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.240 you can't make that joke now, but I do think 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.200 the show is aging well, thank you, because the fact 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.200 that I can see myself in it as I get 0:02:54.240 --> 0:03:01.440 older and understand things better. It's work that I've gotten 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.359 to grow up with and I still get to sit 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.040 with now. But now it's not a lot of us 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.919 are saying, it's not just fun on the background. Now 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.720 now it's okay, I'm in this stage right now, or 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.360 I'm going through a divorce, or I'm about to get married, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.680 or I'm about to have my first baby, and so 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.280 now it's as if you guys are still there. I 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.519 think of art as an inheritance, and so we have 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.000 inherited this, this work, and that's why I think within 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.000 just like that is the continuation of the life of 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.960 the work. And so when I go back and revisit 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.240 and just like that, I will be as I get older, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.360 I will then start to understand these stories even more. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.320 He always got my eighties is the eighties. I was 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.000 doing an off Broadway show at the time. It was 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.320 it was the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.560 or two thousand, okay, I think it was early two 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.200 thousand and I he said, I wrote you something. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.480 So he wrote it for you. Yeah, that's amazing. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.680 But I was doing an off Broadway show at the time. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.360 But I went in to read just make it official, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.920 and you know. So I was doing a show called 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.400 The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.320 months off Broadway, and I. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:14.360 I remember our night. The day we filmed. It was 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.880 a tech day and the director, who I. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.600 Loved very much, not please no, he didn't want to 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:20.000 let me out. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.080 I'm like, it's a tech day. People stand there and 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:22.960 you light it right. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.160 And I went like this, I'm going to do this 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.960 episode because there was an. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:27.520 Issue of maybe. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.560 Oh no, I was like, I'm going to do. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.640 This episode and I went, oh no. It wasn't desperation episode, 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:34.400 like what was. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:34.880 There was one? 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.200 It was one episode that was wedding as your wedding 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.279 wedding player, and do you remember we had two scenes? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:43.599 We had a SCE scene. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.120 I remember, Okay, see I love I love so you 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.359 do every episode I don't. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:51.320 I was recurring. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.120 I did people go how many episodes. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:54.120 Did I do? 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:55.240 I did twelve? 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.440 Only twelve? 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.960 I did one? Season three? Yeah to season four? 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.280 Are three, Season five and six season six, and. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:04.280 Then both movies. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.760 Regular the movies really kind of solidified it, which was nice, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.040 you know. So uh, there were two scenes in that 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.600 first episode. There was the one hates it, the very 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:19.839 famous hates it. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:20.599 With the wedding dress. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.160 Yeah, don't use Yeah, all that's okay. You're you're dragging 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.520 and I'm yelling at the girl. And then there was 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.720 another scene in the back of the vera Wang in 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.239 this kind of little area yep, and I was fitting 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.240 you and you were getting very anxious as Charlotte, and 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.120 I had his scissors and it ripped the dress and 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.880 you were furious and we just kind of looked at 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.000 each other. That scene got cut because it was at 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.200 three in the morning, four in the morning. There wasn't 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.160 enough coverage, and they cut it. Luckily they cut it 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.440 because it was almost like an argument between us. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.800 I dressed, so it might not have gone well. So well, 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.279 they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:03.480 I don't know. No. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.280 I remember running into Michael and he said, do you 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.120 know how much great feedback we got on you? 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:08.440 I said, I don't know. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.680 I said, and I don't care. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.320 I just want to know him. I coming back and 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:12.200 I said, yes. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.039 I need some clarity though, because sometimes people say things 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.680 that I'm not quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.400 basically sam is saying. Samantha saying that you don't want 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.480 to be the guest star in the Three Cents. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:26.840 So you do want to be the guest. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:27.920 You don't want to be the guest star because you 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.719 don't want connections. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.640 You don't want connections. You don't want to do it 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.560 with like a good friend. You want to be like 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.719 you want to come in and out, enjoy it and 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:35.600 get the hell out right. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.640 It's so crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.599 want one of my friends, but. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.400 That's so Charlotte. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:47.080 She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:50.599 If she tried to converse. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.360 Terrible, okay, just terrible in so many ways, Like, oh 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:56.919 my god. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:58.920 Anyway, I had a moment of fear then too, because 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.400 I was like, I don't remember any of this. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.760 She's like, wait, oh didn't I have a try to talk. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.839 Her into it? Oh my god. I was mortified. Thank god, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.560 I do not. But then poor Miranda. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.080 I know, I know, it's so adorable. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.360 I remember this at. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.920 All, I know, and I love I really I love 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.600 how Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.000 I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.680 I'm upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.280 I am not upsetting, I know. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.240 And she's got this therapist, which like, do you ever 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.440 see this person again? 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:33.960 I don't think we did. Oh my god. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.760 He's an older man and he basically is like, are 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.200 you asking to have a THREESOMEE? 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:38.600 Right? 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.840 It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.560 looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.640 A therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight? 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.080 And Manattan knows it was probably whatever set we had 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.200 said that we could put up two flats, some books 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.080 and some books. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:59.600 The first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.440 which is above the store on Eighth Street. It had 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:08.160 rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.880 hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.720 I'm sure, I don't want to know more. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.520 Let's show s j just a few little ideas. So 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.600 we had won Rebecca. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.240 And Pat and I Rebecca was Pat's girlfriend at the time, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.720 as you remember, went to Aina, who had a consignment 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.120 store in Soho. Yeah, and pulled a few things, which 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.720 we still do for you. We still go there, all 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:35.679 of it so much. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:43.679 And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat, Oh. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.880 You had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse which 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.280 I believe she paired on the show with the fur coat, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:09:00.320 and some little mules that were plastic. And I remember, uh, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.720 you know, I always I've kept a diary all my life, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.120 and I remember writing in my diary that Pat and 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.480 Sarah Jessica were so excited because they were going to 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.959 not wear pantyhose. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.400 Aha. That was a major major point. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.520 I don't think people understand that. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.360 No, I don't think people remember that number one. You 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.160 always had to wear them previous, like for me in 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.520 melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like that 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.760 was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina where 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.800 I grew up, I mean, of course, you wore panty hose, right, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.280 which is what we called them back then. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.880 And then I remember Pat just like no, and she's 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:42.960 being like, oh my god. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.280 And in the beginning when I'm rewatching, obviously I hadn't 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.960 remembered a lot of this, but I've got hose on 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.920 a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must have been so. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:52.440 Mad at me. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.520 So funny. I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.880 because it was kind of like not a requirement, but 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.280 women just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and they were 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.080 just we're talking about bare legs, bare legs, yep. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.600 Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:12.640 those cold days. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.640 At one point, you know how at a baby shower, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.000 there's a tradition, I don't know if you did this 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.600 where you take all the bows from all the packages and. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.440 You make something in your head, yes, did you do this? No, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.079 my baby, my water broke it my baby shower. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.000 Oh yeah, that's like a TV show, No, I know, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:39.960 what did you do? 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.880 I went to the hospital. Did everyone panic? Everybody panicked? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.120 And they called my husband, who was with some of 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.160 the other guy thing like coming a beer on the corner. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.920 And we were here in New York on the I 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.600 mean we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.640 was like April, so it was beautiful twelve years ago 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.080 and like two weeks my daughters. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:04.800 About to have her birthday. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:05.640 Oh that's nice. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.400 And they called and they said, and everybody was laughing 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:10.880 because it was it was shocking. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.200 And there was only one man in the. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.520 Room, and it was the cater and he threw paper 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.600 towels at us and then walked out of the door. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 He was just like, I cannot deal with this, Oh 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:20.960 my god. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.080 And it was what was even more comedic about it 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.079 is we were in a circle. I was opening present 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.760 right and my friend goes, oh my gosh, she's about 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.880 to have that baby right here. My stomach made a 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.800 weird movement, Oh my god, which I guess is what happened. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:36.520 I have no idea. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.720 I have no idea, okay, and it only this has 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.199 only happened with my first child and my water broke 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.720 in front of every single person sitting, and everybody's reaction 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.440 was so different, Like somebody cried because they were pregnant, 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:50.080 and they were like. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.720 They just had and had so much feeling, so much feeling. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.920 Other people were dying laughing. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.360 So when they called laughing, well, it was like kind 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.160 of funny. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.400 Because also I was like, what is that happening? 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:03.880 You know? 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.240 But they called my husband and Barbara and my sister 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.480 and I have a twin sister, right, We've played so 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.920 many pranks on him over the years. Oh no, he 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.440 did not believe, like he thought this was like a 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.920 funny thing girls were doing. And also he'd been to 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.319 the doctor like with me the day before where they 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.880 were like, you have six more weeks, So he just 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.000 was the thought. And then there is a producer that 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.319 works on our show, still now works on our show, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.760 who I've known all these years, twelve years later, who 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.040 was so lovely and earnest and kind, and her husband 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.400 call was with her, Henry my husband, and she called 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.520 and she's like, real, this is real, and he was 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.959 like listen. Her husband was like, I know, Barbara and 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.840 Jenna can lie, but Carrie cannot. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.360 So you need to go to the hospital. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:49.680 Woaw. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:50.080 Yeah. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.240 Anyway, so I we put the bow on her, you. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.120 Didn't get to Also, I'm not sure people still know. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.720 I feel like it was more no a kind of 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:01.920 like it wasn't. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.120 Saying, but I just don't know if it still happens. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.880 So for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.480 bow on her head, which I really think I probably 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.680 had something to do with because it is one of 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:13.720 my favorite pictures. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:14.800 It's very funny. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.400 I mean, I also think because Charlotte just really would 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.080 like to be part of this club, you know what 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.839 I'm saying. So then Laney has a huge amount of 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.520 bows on her head, at which point one of her 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.920 friends says, oh, little Sheila is gonna love blah blah blah, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:29.800 whatever gift it was. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:30.360 And I'm like. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.000 What and like, you know, kind of a big reaction 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.440 for young Charlotte. I stand up, like that is my 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.319 secret baby name that I told you. She's like, well, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.200 I'm just really sorry, I don't remember, and this is 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:45.960 such an unfair thing that I'm about to say. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:46.680 But like I. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.599 Back then would have a lot of trouble separating the 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.480 actor from the part, right, So, like later on, when 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.599 Big has Natasha like I've said this to Britend, like, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.000 I'm really sorry, I just really couldn't look at you. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.719 Yeah, I just couldn't. I just couldn't like you. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.200 I know, it's terrible. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:08.840 One of the things I want to ask you about 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.240 is a male perspective of Big here because in this episode, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.480 which is super interesting to look back on, because Charlotte 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.720 was always pro Big, but I'm looking back on this 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.800 early season and being like ew ew because Carrie is 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.000 very connected and very open. We start the beginning of 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.800 the episode and she's saying, like, you know, we're in 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.040 the middle of New York, seven million people, and it's 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.920 that great shot where you know, real New Yorkers are 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.400 walking acard the camera. It's so cool and it looks 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.720 so seventies now to our eyes now and twenty five 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.480 right close right, all of. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:40.640 The cars everything. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.880 So they're they're like so united and within this crowd, 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.400 and she's obviously, you know, over the moon into it, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.480 and we assume he is too, and they're spending all 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.320 their time together to the point where she hasn't seen 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.440 the girlfriends at all, and we think she's you know, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.640 fallen off the cliff. Or whatever, and then cut to 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.040 he says he has a work dinner, and yes, and 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.880 we go out to dinner with her because she said, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.760 oh yeah, Big has a work dinner tonight, a work 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.600 thing tonight, you know, let's go out to dinner. We 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:10.880 go out to dinner, and we see him in the 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.680 corner having dinner with another woman, which I'm just like 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.280 he should have been out then, like, oh, what the 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.240 heck like just because to me, I would feel that 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.640 they were not in sync. That if I was in 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.640 that relationship and I thought we were over the moon, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.840 not even talking to our friend's level of connected and 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:29.640 then he's gone out. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:30.240 With another woman. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:31.880 What the heck? 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.640 Boo out the door? 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:34.800 I guess, what do you think? 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:40.600 Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.440 had a work dinner, so right, a. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.360 Working I think dinner. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:51.000 Yeah, there's a lie, a white lie there. Okay, take 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.640 that away just for a second, Okay, later on in 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.880 the not later on. But I love the way that 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.400 that scene was handled. And it's funny you're asking me 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.960 about this because I took note of it where he 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:02.960 wasn't caught. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.120 He didn't play it like he was caught. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.120 That's true, which is that was an actor, by the way, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.040 but he didn't play like he was. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.160 That's a good point. He didn't. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.720 He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.160 this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.040 and I just had this conversation with a friend in 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:23.880 real life. Was there an established there was no situation, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.440 and there wasn't here was it where it's like, are 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:31.840 we boyfriend girlfriend? Are we committed? And so you can't 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.480 just assume that one is committed and the other isn't. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.160 Even if you're getting the committed vibes, you still have 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.320 to have the conversation for sure, but you. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:43.720 Just talk emotionally. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.440 Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.320 hurt me to think that we were not on the 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.600 same level, like when she goes, oh, I didn't realize 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.400 I was in these feelings by myself. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:56.960 That's the upsetting feeling. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.120 Sure, but then you have to take into account the 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.240 reasons why he might not be right, I might not 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.560 be well. There could be a psychological thing. There could 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.159 be something like he's been burned before, he's been hurt before, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.560 his parents have divorced, he's a noncommittal person, he's feeling love, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.160 he's feeling women. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.600 Okay, Okay, okay, but let's say that those Okay, He's 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.680 a grown up, right, He's not twenty five, he's not thirty, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.560 he's a grown up. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:29.159 Okay. So she is obviously open to this in a 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.960 way that he seems like he might not be. John 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.879 is in. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.200 The first season, which really surprised both of us. Yeah, exactly, 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.760 we thought it was like later on in the run. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.960 Absolutely, I would have probably said end of the second 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.160 maybe even their. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.560 Third, which I think of as our best season. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.480 If we have to pick an overall season. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.480 Episode for your episode, that's why. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.080 I'm saying I would put it in the best because 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.640 it's such a good episode. It was written by Michael 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.880 Patrick King, which you can completely tell. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.399 Oh God, yes, John plays guy. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.440 He has a real name, is called Thomas John Anderson, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:04.800 which is kind of funny. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.440 Because John three names for three das he's. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:11.280 Playing Michael Patrick Kings basically and his own episode, and 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.960 he is called the Catholic guy. That's what we call 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.600 him in the shorthand to the friends, and he's opposite 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.400 Cynthia and they are incredible. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.359 This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. We don't have 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.159 a ton of memories about him. We're really sorry, I 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:24.520 who it's apologize if I. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.199 Do never remember the fact vivid memories of MPK not 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.880 directing me, but just he's such a brilliant, extraordinary presence 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.159 on set and his writing was so great that I 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.440 remember him and of course have known him all these 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.120