Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Thanks for coming back, everybody. This is
Speaker 1: going to be part two of our favorite moments from
Speaker 1: the first six months of.
Speaker 2: Are You a Charlotte. I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1: And I'm honored to have you for many reasons. Number One,
Speaker 1: I'd just like to see you. I love to see
Speaker 1: Number two Lena, in case you guys don't know, is
Speaker 1: a multi hyphen it. I'm going to tell you your whole
Speaker 1: resume later and you're not in front of me. But
Speaker 1: the thing that's important is that her knowledge a film
Speaker 1: and television is so expansive and deep, and this is
Speaker 1: partly why I love her. Like when we first started,
Speaker 1: and just like that, you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail.
Speaker 1: I don't know what panicky thing I had sent to
Speaker 1: you or whatever, but you know, you're just very grounding.
Speaker 1: Your knowledge is very grounding in terms of you know
Speaker 1: what has happened before, you know how things develop in
Speaker 1: our culture on television, in film, what it means, and
Speaker 1: as you just said to me when you sat down
Speaker 1: we were talking about this episode, you said, I think
Speaker 1: television has a time stamp.
Speaker 2: But tell me more, what do you mean exactly?
Speaker 3: Well, I think sometimes when people look at TV from
Speaker 3: say ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel
Speaker 3: in moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 3: no Onah would make that joke today, or you couldn't
Speaker 3: do that now. And what's interesting about that is what
Speaker 3: I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's
Speaker 3: a time stamp of where we were at that time
Speaker 3: and what was happening in the world then. And so
Speaker 3: I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters,
Speaker 3: in a way, this is sort of giving us a
Speaker 3: sense of what New York was at that time, what
Speaker 3: it was for women at that time, what the limits
Speaker 3: were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be
Speaker 3: talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against.
Speaker 3: And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow
Speaker 3: up with it. I was, like am I I was
Speaker 3: a teenager when it first came, and so I was
Speaker 3: learning so much about what it meant to be an
Speaker 3: adult friend by watching you all. And I think I
Speaker 3: was more interest than that than the love stories per se.
Speaker 3: But the love stories were there as well sold you
Speaker 3: about self love and how you see yourself. But watching
Speaker 3: it now as a forty year old person revisiting the episode,
Speaker 3: for a lot of us who are my age, we
Speaker 3: feel a little confronted by now Sex and the City
Speaker 3: because we are now the ages that you guys were
Speaker 3: then at that time, and we're seeing ourselves play out
Speaker 3: some of these storylines, and that I think is saying
Speaker 3: that the show. You may point certain things out and say, oh,
Speaker 3: you can't make that joke now, but I do think
Speaker 3: the show is aging well, thank you, because the fact
Speaker 3: that I can see myself in it as I get
Speaker 3: older and understand things better. It's work that I've gotten
Speaker 3: to grow up with and I still get to sit
Speaker 3: with now. But now it's not a lot of us
Speaker 3: are saying, it's not just fun on the background. Now
Speaker 3: now it's okay, I'm in this stage right now, or
Speaker 3: I'm going through a divorce, or I'm about to get married,
Speaker 3: or I'm about to have my first baby, and so
Speaker 3: now it's as if you guys are still there. I
Speaker 3: think of art as an inheritance, and so we have
Speaker 3: inherited this, this work, and that's why I think within
Speaker 3: just like that is the continuation of the life of
Speaker 3: the work. And so when I go back and revisit
Speaker 3: and just like that, I will be as I get older,
Speaker 3: I will then start to understand these stories even more.
Speaker 4: He always got my eighties is the eighties. I was
Speaker 4: doing an off Broadway show at the time. It was
Speaker 4: it was the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think,
Speaker 4: or two thousand, okay, I think it was early two
Speaker 4: thousand and I he said, I wrote you something.
Speaker 2: So he wrote it for you. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: But I was doing an off Broadway show at the time.
Speaker 4: But I went in to read just make it official,
Speaker 4: and you know. So I was doing a show called
Speaker 4: The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six
Speaker 4: months off Broadway, and I.
Speaker 5: I remember our night. The day we filmed. It was
Speaker 5: a tech day and the director, who I.
Speaker 6: Loved very much, not please no, he didn't want to
Speaker 6: let me out.
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's a tech day. People stand there and
Speaker 5: you light it right.
Speaker 4: And I went like this, I'm going to do this
Speaker 4: episode because there was an.
Speaker 6: Issue of maybe.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was like, I'm going to do.
Speaker 2: This episode and I went, oh no. It wasn't desperation episode,
Speaker 2: like what was.
Speaker 3: There was one?
Speaker 4: It was one episode that was wedding as your wedding
Speaker 4: wedding player, and do you remember we had two scenes?
Speaker 2: We had a SCE scene.
Speaker 4: I remember, Okay, see I love I love so you
Speaker 4: do every episode I don't.
Speaker 5: I was recurring.
Speaker 4: I did people go how many episodes.
Speaker 5: Did I do?
Speaker 2: I did twelve?
Speaker 6: Only twelve?
Speaker 5: I did one? Season three? Yeah to season four?
Speaker 4: Are three, Season five and six season six, and.
Speaker 5: Then both movies.
Speaker 4: Regular the movies really kind of solidified it, which was nice,
Speaker 4: you know. So uh, there were two scenes in that
Speaker 4: first episode. There was the one hates it, the very
Speaker 4: famous hates it.
Speaker 2: With the wedding dress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't use Yeah, all that's okay. You're you're dragging
Speaker 4: and I'm yelling at the girl. And then there was
Speaker 4: another scene in the back of the vera Wang in
Speaker 4: this kind of little area yep, and I was fitting
Speaker 4: you and you were getting very anxious as Charlotte, and
Speaker 4: I had his scissors and it ripped the dress and
Speaker 4: you were furious and we just kind of looked at
Speaker 4: each other. That scene got cut because it was at
Speaker 4: three in the morning, four in the morning. There wasn't
Speaker 4: enough coverage, and they cut it. Luckily they cut it
Speaker 4: because it was almost like an argument between us.
Speaker 1: I dressed, so it might not have gone well. So well,
Speaker 1: they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already.
Speaker 2: I don't know. No.
Speaker 4: I remember running into Michael and he said, do you
Speaker 4: know how much great feedback we got on you?
Speaker 5: I said, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I said, and I don't care.
Speaker 5: I just want to know him. I coming back and
Speaker 5: I said, yes.
Speaker 1: I need some clarity though, because sometimes people say things
Speaker 1: that I'm not quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like
Speaker 1: basically sam is saying. Samantha saying that you don't want
Speaker 1: to be the guest star in the Three Cents.
Speaker 6: So you do want to be the guest.
Speaker 2: You don't want to be the guest star because you
Speaker 2: don't want connections.
Speaker 7: You don't want connections. You don't want to do it
Speaker 7: with like a good friend. You want to be like
Speaker 7: you want to come in and out, enjoy it and
Speaker 7: get the hell out right.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would
Speaker 1: want one of my friends, but.
Speaker 6: That's so Charlotte.
Speaker 7: She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible.
Speaker 6: If she tried to converse.
Speaker 8: Terrible, okay, just terrible in so many ways, Like, oh
Speaker 8: my god.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I had a moment of fear then too, because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't remember any of this.
Speaker 6: She's like, wait, oh didn't I have a try to talk.
Speaker 2: Her into it? Oh my god. I was mortified. Thank god,
Speaker 2: I do not. But then poor Miranda.
Speaker 6: I know, I know, it's so adorable.
Speaker 2: I remember this at.
Speaker 7: All, I know, and I love I really I love
Speaker 7: how Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like
Speaker 7: I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and
Speaker 7: I'm upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.
Speaker 6: I am not upsetting, I know.
Speaker 1: And she's got this therapist, which like, do you ever
Speaker 1: see this person again?
Speaker 6: I don't think we did. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He's an older man and he basically is like, are
Speaker 2: you asking to have a THREESOMEE?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional
Speaker 1: looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what.
Speaker 2: A therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 7: And Manattan knows it was probably whatever set we had
Speaker 7: said that we could put up two flats, some books
Speaker 7: and some books.
Speaker 9: The first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment,
Speaker 9: which is above the store on Eighth Street. It had
Speaker 9: rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of
Speaker 9: hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I don't want to know more.
Speaker 9: Let's show s j just a few little ideas. So
Speaker 9: we had won Rebecca.
Speaker 10: And Pat and I Rebecca was Pat's girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 10: as you remember, went to Aina, who had a consignment
Speaker 10: store in Soho. Yeah, and pulled a few things, which
Speaker 10: we still do for you. We still go there, all
Speaker 10: of it so much.
Speaker 9: And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat, Oh.
Speaker 8: You had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse which
Speaker 8: I believe she paired on the show with the fur coat,
Speaker 8: and some little mules that were plastic. And I remember, uh,
Speaker 8: you know, I always I've kept a diary all my life,
Speaker 8: and I remember writing in my diary that Pat and
Speaker 8: Sarah Jessica were so excited because they were going to
Speaker 8: not wear pantyhose.
Speaker 2: Aha. That was a major major point.
Speaker 9: I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think people remember that number one. You
Speaker 1: always had to wear them previous, like for me in
Speaker 1: melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like that
Speaker 1: was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina where
Speaker 1: I grew up, I mean, of course, you wore panty hose, right,
Speaker 1: which is what we called them back then.
Speaker 2: And then I remember Pat just like no, and she's
Speaker 2: being like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And in the beginning when I'm rewatching, obviously I hadn't
Speaker 1: remembered a lot of this, but I've got hose on
Speaker 1: a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must have been so.
Speaker 7: Mad at me.
Speaker 10: So funny. I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from,
Speaker 10: because it was kind of like not a requirement, but
Speaker 10: women just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and they were
Speaker 10: just we're talking about bare legs, bare legs, yep.
Speaker 2: Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember
Speaker 2: those cold days.
Speaker 1: At one point, you know how at a baby shower,
Speaker 1: there's a tradition, I don't know if you did this
Speaker 1: where you take all the bows from all the packages and.
Speaker 11: You make something in your head, yes, did you do this? No,
Speaker 11: my baby, my water broke it my baby shower.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like a TV show, No, I know,
Speaker 1: what did you do?
Speaker 6: I went to the hospital. Did everyone panic? Everybody panicked?
Speaker 11: And they called my husband, who was with some of
Speaker 11: the other guy thing like coming a beer on the corner.
Speaker 11: And we were here in New York on the I
Speaker 11: mean we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It
Speaker 11: was like April, so it was beautiful twelve years ago
Speaker 11: and like two weeks my daughters.
Speaker 6: About to have her birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 11: And they called and they said, and everybody was laughing
Speaker 11: because it was it was shocking.
Speaker 6: And there was only one man in the.
Speaker 11: Room, and it was the cater and he threw paper
Speaker 11: towels at us and then walked out of the door.
Speaker 6: He was just like, I cannot deal with this, Oh
Speaker 6: my god.
Speaker 11: And it was what was even more comedic about it
Speaker 11: is we were in a circle. I was opening present
Speaker 11: right and my friend goes, oh my gosh, she's about
Speaker 11: to have that baby right here. My stomach made a
Speaker 11: weird movement, Oh my god, which I guess is what happened.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 11: I have no idea, okay, and it only this has
Speaker 11: only happened with my first child and my water broke
Speaker 11: in front of every single person sitting, and everybody's reaction
Speaker 11: was so different, Like somebody cried because they were pregnant,
Speaker 11: and they were like.
Speaker 2: They just had and had so much feeling, so much feeling.
Speaker 6: Other people were dying laughing.
Speaker 11: So when they called laughing, well, it was like kind
Speaker 11: of funny.
Speaker 6: Because also I was like, what is that happening?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 11: But they called my husband and Barbara and my sister
Speaker 11: and I have a twin sister, right, We've played so
Speaker 11: many pranks on him over the years. Oh no, he
Speaker 11: did not believe, like he thought this was like a
Speaker 11: funny thing girls were doing. And also he'd been to
Speaker 11: the doctor like with me the day before where they
Speaker 11: were like, you have six more weeks, So he just
Speaker 11: was the thought. And then there is a producer that
Speaker 11: works on our show, still now works on our show,
Speaker 11: who I've known all these years, twelve years later, who
Speaker 11: was so lovely and earnest and kind, and her husband
Speaker 11: call was with her, Henry my husband, and she called
Speaker 11: and she's like, real, this is real, and he was
Speaker 11: like listen. Her husband was like, I know, Barbara and
Speaker 11: Jenna can lie, but Carrie cannot.
Speaker 6: So you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 12: Woaw.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Anyway, so I we put the bow on her, you.
Speaker 2: Didn't get to Also, I'm not sure people still know.
Speaker 6: I feel like it was more no a kind of
Speaker 6: like it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Saying, but I just don't know if it still happens.
Speaker 1: So for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a
Speaker 1: bow on her head, which I really think I probably
Speaker 1: had something to do with because it is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite pictures.
Speaker 2: It's very funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also think because Charlotte just really would
Speaker 1: like to be part of this club, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So then Laney has a huge amount of
Speaker 1: bows on her head, at which point one of her
Speaker 1: friends says, oh, little Sheila is gonna love blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: whatever gift it was.
Speaker 2: And I'm like.
Speaker 1: What and like, you know, kind of a big reaction
Speaker 1: for young Charlotte. I stand up, like that is my
Speaker 1: secret baby name that I told you. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just really sorry, I don't remember, and this is
Speaker 1: such an unfair thing that I'm about to say.
Speaker 2: But like I.
Speaker 1: Back then would have a lot of trouble separating the
Speaker 1: actor from the part, right, So, like later on, when
Speaker 1: Big has Natasha like I've said this to Britend, like,
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, I just really couldn't look at you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just couldn't. I just couldn't like you.
Speaker 6: I know, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: is a male perspective of Big here because in this episode,
Speaker 1: which is super interesting to look back on, because Charlotte
Speaker 1: was always pro Big, but I'm looking back on this
Speaker 1: early season and being like ew ew because Carrie is
Speaker 1: very connected and very open. We start the beginning of
Speaker 1: the episode and she's saying, like, you know, we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of New York, seven million people, and it's
Speaker 1: that great shot where you know, real New Yorkers are
Speaker 1: walking acard the camera. It's so cool and it looks
Speaker 1: so seventies now to our eyes now and twenty five
Speaker 1: right close right, all of.
Speaker 2: The cars everything.
Speaker 1: So they're they're like so united and within this crowd,
Speaker 1: and she's obviously, you know, over the moon into it,
Speaker 1: and we assume he is too, and they're spending all
Speaker 1: their time together to the point where she hasn't seen
Speaker 1: the girlfriends at all, and we think she's you know,
Speaker 1: fallen off the cliff. Or whatever, and then cut to
Speaker 1: he says he has a work dinner, and yes, and
Speaker 1: we go out to dinner with her because she said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Big has a work dinner tonight, a work
Speaker 1: thing tonight, you know, let's go out to dinner. We
Speaker 1: go out to dinner, and we see him in the
Speaker 1: corner having dinner with another woman, which I'm just like
Speaker 1: he should have been out then, like, oh, what the
Speaker 1: heck like just because to me, I would feel that
Speaker 1: they were not in sync. That if I was in
Speaker 1: that relationship and I thought we were over the moon,
Speaker 1: not even talking to our friend's level of connected and
Speaker 1: then he's gone out.
Speaker 2: With another woman.
Speaker 6: What the heck?
Speaker 2: Boo out the door?
Speaker 6: I guess, what do you think?
Speaker 13: Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he
Speaker 13: had a work dinner, so right, a.
Speaker 2: Working I think dinner.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a lie, a white lie there. Okay, take
Speaker 13: that away just for a second, Okay, later on in
Speaker 13: the not later on. But I love the way that
Speaker 13: that scene was handled. And it's funny you're asking me
Speaker 13: about this because I took note of it where he
Speaker 13: wasn't caught.
Speaker 6: He didn't play it like he was caught.
Speaker 13: That's true, which is that was an actor, by the way,
Speaker 13: but he didn't play like he was.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. He didn't.
Speaker 13: He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey,
Speaker 13: this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But
Speaker 13: and I just had this conversation with a friend in
Speaker 13: real life. Was there an established there was no situation,
Speaker 13: and there wasn't here was it where it's like, are
Speaker 13: we boyfriend girlfriend? Are we committed? And so you can't
Speaker 13: just assume that one is committed and the other isn't.
Speaker 13: Even if you're getting the committed vibes, you still have
Speaker 13: to have the conversation for sure, but you.
Speaker 2: Just talk emotionally.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really
Speaker 1: hurt me to think that we were not on the
Speaker 1: same level, like when she goes, oh, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I was in these feelings by myself.
Speaker 2: That's the upsetting feeling.
Speaker 13: Sure, but then you have to take into account the
Speaker 13: reasons why he might not be right, I might not
Speaker 13: be well. There could be a psychological thing. There could
Speaker 13: be something like he's been burned before, he's been hurt before,
Speaker 13: his parents have divorced, he's a noncommittal person, he's feeling love,
Speaker 13: he's feeling women.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, okay, but let's say that those Okay, He's
Speaker 1: a grown up, right, He's not twenty five, he's not thirty,
Speaker 1: he's a grown up.
Speaker 2: Okay. So she is obviously open to this in a
Speaker 2: way that he seems like he might not be. John
Speaker 2: is in.
Speaker 1: The first season, which really surprised both of us. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: we thought it was like later on in the run.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, I would have probably said end of the second
Speaker 12: maybe even their.
Speaker 1: Third, which I think of as our best season.
Speaker 2: If we have to pick an overall season.
Speaker 6: Episode for your episode, that's why.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I would put it in the best because
Speaker 1: it's such a good episode. It was written by Michael
Speaker 1: Patrick King, which you can completely tell.
Speaker 2: Oh God, yes, John plays guy.
Speaker 1: He has a real name, is called Thomas John Anderson,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Because John three names for three das he's.
Speaker 1: Playing Michael Patrick Kings basically and his own episode, and
Speaker 1: he is called the Catholic guy. That's what we call
Speaker 1: him in the shorthand to the friends, and he's opposite
Speaker 1: Cynthia and they are incredible.
Speaker 2: This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. We don't have
Speaker 2: a ton of memories about him. We're really sorry, I
Speaker 2: who it's apologize if I.
Speaker 12: Do never remember the fact vivid memories of MPK not
Speaker 12: directing me, but just he's such a brilliant, extraordinary presence
Speaker 12: on set and his writing was so great that I
Speaker 12: remember him and of course have known him all these
Speaker 12: years after.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't remember the directors. I know, but
Speaker 5: that's not because he didn't direct a great episode.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, because that's an episode.
Speaker 5: Good director disappears a little bit.
Speaker 2: This is a good point. And you also direct, so
Speaker 2: you know very well. You know very well. So tell
Speaker 2: us your memories.
Speaker 1: And your thoughts about the new it was relatively new show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is this a G rated program?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 12: Well, what I vividly remember is being on top of Cynthia,
Speaker 12: having being in the throes.
Speaker 5: Of passion and having orgasm.
Speaker 12: After or fake orgasm after orgasm, and getting up and sharing.
Speaker 12: And you know, a lot of people have seen it
Speaker 12: in syndication and all that stuff's out, but in the
Speaker 12: I guess the DVD or box set or whatever you
Speaker 12: call it these days, you.
Speaker 5: See all of those sex scenes.
Speaker 12: So what I remember most vividly is being in bed
Speaker 12: in flagrante with Cynthia Nixon.
Speaker 5: Thank goodness. I had known her. We had done a play.
Speaker 12: Together, which is the way you get very into it
Speaker 12: very quickly, is by being on stage together. And we
Speaker 12: had such a great time doing this play and such
Speaker 12: a great rapport and such great trust that we immediately
Speaker 12: threw ourselves into it. And you know, this was before
Speaker 12: Sex and the City was Sex and the City, So
Speaker 12: going to that set and having to do such a
Speaker 12: huge sex scene was really nerve racking.
Speaker 5: Nerve racking.
Speaker 12: So that's my biggest memory is just being on top
Speaker 12: of Cynthia and you know, and then the casual after
Speaker 12: an hour or two, it becomes so casual, like what
Speaker 12: are you gonna have for lunch? I think I'm gonna
Speaker 12: have that, you know, totally both yeah, naked. I mean
Speaker 12: we all had. We've talked about cook socks and all
Speaker 12: that stuff. Yeah, right, right right, And I guess I
Speaker 12: remember the sock as well.
Speaker 2: There you go. Very memorable.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about Cynthia too, which is a
Speaker 1: theme in every guy that I've ever spoken to who
Speaker 1: was opposite hers, that she has no real fear or self.
Speaker 2: Consciousness about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me to recap all
Speaker 1: these little moments. Everyone, If you haven't heard those episodes,
Speaker 1: they are there. You can go back and re listen
Speaker 1: if you would like, or listen for the first time.
Speaker 1: And I hope you all have a wonderful fourth of
Speaker 1: July and I'll see you back here soon