WEBVTT - The Songs That Explain Rob Harvilla

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Josh Witzapolski,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to say today's show is a unique

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<v Speaker 1>treat for me. Our guest, who I'll tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, has become a iconic, really a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the family in a way. I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually know him at all personally or in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has in some way become a voice in

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<v Speaker 1>our house that I hear on a regular basis, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the music journalist and critic Rob Harvilla. He

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<v Speaker 1>hosts a show that you can find on I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's on Spotify. It's a Ringer podcast. It's called Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>Songs That Explain the Nineties. It is way over sixty

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<v Speaker 1>songs at this point, and it is sort of one

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<v Speaker 1>man's travelogue through the songs that for me were very

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<v Speaker 1>much and for my wife were very much a part

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<v Speaker 1>of our youth and a part of our growing up

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of are incredibly resonant and important to us.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually, to begin the conversation with Rob, a real

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<v Speaker 1>member of my family is going to join me, my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter Zelda June. So let's just let's get into it. Okay, wait, there,

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<v Speaker 1>you go. It's just that the seed is like not

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<v Speaker 1>designed for a man in a child to sit on

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Can you live talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>mic and you hi?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you definitely definitely was better when you were

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<v Speaker 1>like up high. I guess I could tilt the mic

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<v Speaker 1>your way like that. Oh yeah, so better? Yeah that works. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear myself. Hew, there he is when I

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<v Speaker 1>got to get Zelda in frame. Okay, this is very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Zelda.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Zelda. I'm Rob. It's nice to meet you. You

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<v Speaker 2>are nine years old? Am I correct? Since stated you're nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a nine year old son named Griffin, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's this is old.

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<v Speaker 1>They should meet.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some nine year old experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're familiar with nine year olds, is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. Yes, good.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zelda's mom, Laura, my wife, introduced her to your

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<v Speaker 1>show and she is a huge fan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very flattering, right, would.

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<v Speaker 1>You say it's your favorite podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to say that. It's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's listened to a lot of very inappropriate episodes

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of bad lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I was going to apologize

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<v Speaker 2>for the language, which is rude of me. And had

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<v Speaker 2>I known this Elda was listening, of course I would

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<v Speaker 2>not have said any of the many inappropriate things that

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<v Speaker 2>I've said.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, I don't think you should edit yourself, Flda.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zelda put some questions together. She wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you, and she made a list of questions here

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<v Speaker 1>and we've highlighted two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right, I'm so excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, take it away. This is all this is all yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Zelda. Hit me.

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<v Speaker 3>What is a song from the nineties that you like

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<v Speaker 3>but you are not going to do on the podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, that's a very good question.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me think about this for a second. I really

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<v Speaker 2>like a band called Morphine h. They were from Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a dude playing bass, but I think there

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<v Speaker 2>were only like two strings on the bass, if I

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<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, and then a dude playing saxophone and a

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<v Speaker 2>dude on drums. There was sort of like a jazz

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<v Speaker 2>rock type band that had a few modest hits on

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<v Speaker 2>all alternative rock radio in the nineties. And I really

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<v Speaker 2>really like them, and I listened to them a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've thought about doing an episode, but it may

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<v Speaker 2>be they may not be quite huge enough to do

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<v Speaker 2>a whole episode about. The huge problem I have with

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<v Speaker 2>this show is there's too many songs. Right, Like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>called sixty songs, but then I did like fifty songs

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my gosh, I have way

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<v Speaker 2>too many other songs. And I keep adding new songs

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<v Speaker 2>and that's very obnoxious. And now the title of the

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<v Speaker 2>show is wrong. It's and the seo is ruined. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a terrible situation, and so I have to cut

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<v Speaker 2>it off somewhere. And so I fear that I will

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<v Speaker 2>not get around to doing an episode on Morphine. On

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<v Speaker 2>a song, what would I do if I did Morphine,

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably do the song Buyna, which is I

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<v Speaker 2>think the first song that I ever heard by them.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like it. That means good in Spanish. You

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<v Speaker 2>probably know that nine year old's are really smart tu

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<v Speaker 2>That's one song that I really really love. And if

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<v Speaker 2>every episode of this show is just me being super

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<v Speaker 2>indulgent in doing whatever I wanted to do, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>would for sure do an episode on the band Morphine.

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<v Speaker 2>But because I'm I care about the people you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a mission here and I have people

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<v Speaker 2>to answer to besides myself. I am I am gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to graciously not do the Morphine episode that I

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<v Speaker 2>would really love to do.

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<v Speaker 1>My follow up is I feel like, unfortunately, now that

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<v Speaker 1>you've said it, now you've put it out into the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems almost inevitable that you'll have to do the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you're saying now, it's like, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do it, maybe you've missed an important moment

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<v Speaker 1>for yourself and for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, well, I think this is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I've ever said that, like, I'm probably not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this song. Like I've tried to keep

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<v Speaker 2>it open ended. I've tried to be really arbitrary. I've

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<v Speaker 2>ended up doing other songs that I thought that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to do. And so you're absolutely right that,

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<v Speaker 2>for all you know, that could have been just an ingenious,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, head fake to make you think that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to do it. But I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 2>it immediately now that I've said I is I gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it. That's just how I roll.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unpredictable, also interesting, that Zelda maybe got the first

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying maybe the first ever. You're not going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It, that's right. Yeah, it's it's just that that's just

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of interviewer she is. This is very very aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just you freaked me on and I just

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<v Speaker 2>hit answered. Honestly, it's it's really remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm watching Jonathan Swan and Trump right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Frost Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>She isn't exactly, she's another one here. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to read that one? You don't know how to phrase it? No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is good, this is good. Just read it. Just

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<v Speaker 1>read it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question too.

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<v Speaker 1>I will dying to know the answer to this. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you are going to end the podcast, are

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<v Speaker 3>you just gonna stop? Or are you gonna do a

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<v Speaker 3>different era of music?

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<v Speaker 1>Credible stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you just gonna stop? It's that's that is incredible. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually she actually said are you going? She actually

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<v Speaker 1>wrote are you going to stop podcasting?

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<v Speaker 2>Specific I'm going to retire?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like this.

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<v Speaker 2>She started with it, so is great. It's very Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's jocular. Okay, I would I would love to and

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<v Speaker 2>I have every intention to do another podcast after I

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<v Speaker 2>stop doing this podcast. I have to stop at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to get obnoxious if I do too many songs.

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<v Speaker 2>I am almost certainly actually going to stop at one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty songs, which means I have sixteen left,

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<v Speaker 2>which will take me through the end of the year

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe a little into January. But I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to do something else. I am not quite clear on

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<v Speaker 2>what that is yet. I have thought about doing the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're very familiar with Delda with the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about doing the twenty one. Big problem here

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<v Speaker 2>is I hate the term the aughts, like I just,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't like that specific way to describe

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<v Speaker 2>the first decade of the two thousands, right, like just.

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<v Speaker 1>The yeah yeah, she doesn't you know when when the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands were just originally just the thousands. People call

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot because that's an old timey that's an

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<v Speaker 1>old timey word for zero for zeros.

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<v Speaker 2>Zeros is excellent. Dadding that you're doing right now that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting to it is I would like to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to do another show. I have every

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<v Speaker 2>intention of doing another show. I should know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I should be more prepared than I am. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it is. But I do know that

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be something. I'm going to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with it anytime now. But I do not intend to

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<v Speaker 2>retire from podcasting. I should probably keep doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. I mean, that's very good to know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to just say, I mean, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>is I've actually never seen zou to do this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she's right taking she's taking notes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>If she really originally wrote down one hundred twenty songs

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<v Speaker 1>and then she said, put left. But it's not one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred twenty songs left. I think, no, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to race. It's fine. But she wrote one hundred twenty

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<v Speaker 1>songs and then wrote down another show, which I guess

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<v Speaker 1>has heard is confirming making sure she got the confirmation

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<v Speaker 1>that you will be doing another part.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in writing, which I if I told Zelda, now

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do it. Zelda, can I ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a question? Yeah, what is your favorite song from the nineties?

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, I think you probably have an answer to this.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite song from the nineties? You just did

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<v Speaker 1>your your School of Rock showcase was on nineties. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, is there one of those songs that's your favorite?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Buddy Holly?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it from the nineties? It is?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? It is Buddy Holly from by Weezer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Weezer's Buddy Holly is an excellent nineties you're saying you

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<v Speaker 2>just played that song. You're in the school of Rock program.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she sang lead vocals on that song.

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<v Speaker 2>You sang lead vocals on Buddy Holliday. Yeah, so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You you noticed she did lead vocals on Epics by

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<v Speaker 1>Faith No more.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she did not. That's it was ever heard a

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<v Speaker 2>nine year Oh my, is there video? Is that available?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have video? Yeah, I definitely have video

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and I'm happy to produce it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you gotta drop the SoundCloud, drop the lake. You

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<v Speaker 2>were one of the coolest nine year olds I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I have a nine year old as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You would be, you can't you and my You and

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<v Speaker 2>my son are the two coolest nine year olds around.

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<v Speaker 2>You sang lead vocals on Do You Like Epic? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a hard song to sing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, when you hear it it's hard, but

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<v Speaker 3>when you actually like learn it, it's pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she was excited.

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<v Speaker 1>There's it's essentially a rap, and she was very excited

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, it's so cool man, it's at it. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, that's the neatest day I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, all of it was just seeing children play

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<v Speaker 1>those songs, just completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Did someone play the piano part at the end? Oh yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the best part of the song for me, is

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<v Speaker 2>the piano part of the wait, did you do epic?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't because it's eighty nine. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>songs that's not actually from the nineties. Oh wow, it barely,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it barely? Isn't it? It was like popular in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety maybe let's say that's right, that's exactly right. It

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<v Speaker 2>peaked in nineteen ninety, but did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, so did that was a nineties thing, though,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta go in there and tell them they messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, guys, here's the one problem with our

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<v Speaker 1>showcase that we did is that thatens technically from the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so yeah, that's you gotta fact check the school,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta you.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta hit it, get hit with the facts. All right, Well, Zelda,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you got to go back in. Right. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have anything else, any other question you want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Rob or any other thing, anything you'd like to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do that one? Okay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you think of a name for your podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>We were trying, We were trying to think of the

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<v Speaker 2>right number of songs to do, and ninety songs would

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<v Speaker 2>have made more sense. But I was it would have

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<v Speaker 2>made a lot more sense, right, But I was worried

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<v Speaker 2>that people wouldn't like this show and I would be

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassed if the name of the show was ninety songs.

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<v Speaker 2>They explained the ninetes, and then after like three episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>people like, this show is terrible, you need to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was the guy who got like who

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<v Speaker 2>got a show canceled with ninety in the title, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so sixty but then thirty songs was too few songs,

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<v Speaker 2>and so sixty which is still an embarrassing amount of songs.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had been canceled after three songs, like but

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<v Speaker 2>sixty was between.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty and ninety, I feel like the embarrassment would be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, mistakes were made in this in this thought process.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Zelda, great job and now you're going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great to me, U Zelda. You are my

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<v Speaker 2>youngest fan or a person who's ever listened to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm honored.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very great to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations on the faith no more weezy thing. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to sign off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How would you sign off here? From this conversation? Bye? Bye?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was delightful.

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<v Speaker 1>I consider to be one of the most delightful people

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<v Speaker 1>that I know, so as is obvious, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>are huge fans of the show and huge fans of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I shouldn't say this because I'm a podcaster, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think your show I just don't like. I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very you know, I'm very busy multitask space and it's

0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.080
<v Speaker 1>a safe space for us, and yours is one that

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<v Speaker 1>I find to be consistently entertaining and educational and hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like I'm very charmed by you and I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to you. I'm like entering as a fan and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and an appreciator.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that's tremendously kind of you. It's all a facade.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you're you and I must be close

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<v Speaker 1>in age.

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<v Speaker 2>We are we are I'm forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm forty five also, so we're actually the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same age. All right, that's great. You said you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do one hundred and twenty episodes total of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. You're on what number? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I am thinking about episode one oh five. I have

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen episodes remaining, you know that shows on a little

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<v Speaker 2>break right now. We'll return, I believe on October eleventh,

0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.240
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to go straight through. You know, so

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<v Speaker 2>the holidays accepted, et cetera. But like the last sixteen

0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:44.040
<v Speaker 2>are a block that we are thinking about now, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is vexing. This is a vexing document.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, because there are too many songs that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>There are too many saws, and it's just it's not flowing.

0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I just there's like a harmony and like a

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<v Speaker 2>beauty that I really want to concoct right of this

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<v Speaker 2>Excel chart, and I just I haven't gotten there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as I look at it, and it just it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look quite right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever have that feeling, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm not sure exactly what I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing, Like you're missing something or you just don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the order the flow is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Both really, you know, it's it's it's we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have you know, the list of songs that we

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<v Speaker 2>probably are not going to do at this point is

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<v Speaker 2>very disturbing right to me because there's so much cool

0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff on here. But all of those are still technically possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah, it's a combination of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for every song that we add now you know, there

0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.280
<v Speaker 2>are five that de facto are being left off. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the point I would get to previously where

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<v Speaker 2>I would then go to my to my friends and

0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.520
<v Speaker 2>masters at the Ringer and be like, can we please

0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.640
<v Speaker 2>do more episodes? They're like fine, all right, you know

0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.600
<v Speaker 2>it's and then like that's what we did when we

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<v Speaker 2>got close to sixty, That's what we did when we

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<v Speaker 2>got close to ninety, you know, and like they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to let me extend again, Like I I probably

0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>should bring a somewhat dignified conclusion, but it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>good feeling to try and orchestrate that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there is this kind of symmetry though,

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<v Speaker 1>with one hundred and twenty. I mean it immediately evokes

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty minutes from MTV, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean a very much a nineties product, and

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<v Speaker 1>like probably the place where so many many of the

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<v Speaker 1>songs that you've talked about were sort of not discovered

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<v Speaker 1>exactly a bit discovered by the masses or much much

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<v Speaker 1>larger audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Discovered by me. Certainly, Yeah, absolutely is huge for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think one twenty sounds right, does I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what you were talking about, this idea that you know

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<v Speaker 1>went from sixty to ninety and now you have one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty. I had some idea in my head

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<v Speaker 1>when I when I started listening to it that like,

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<v Speaker 1>because you hadn't done pretty far into the show, you

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't done some songs that I thought were like really important.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean one, I think the one that stood out

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<v Speaker 1>with smells like teen Spirit, which, which, like I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I think from my money. I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 1>is a globally considered truth or not, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's probably the most important song from the nineties. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, Yeah, to the extent that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a consensus. You know, if if rock, if guitar music,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, is a thing you're at all interested in,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a safe bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I guess I should say yeah in the rock space,

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<v Speaker 1>but also like more but also beyond rock into like pop,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think what was interesting about it, which is

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like nothing now, seems like no big deal,

0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>but it was like a song that should not have

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<v Speaker 1>been as massively popular as it was, like to a

0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 1>broad set of people, and yet it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>defining point. And that's early nine. That's like it came

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<v Speaker 1>out what ninety one, ninety he.

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<v Speaker 2>Came out in ninety one, you know. And I think people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how they say, like a decade doesn't begin

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, on January first, nineteen ninety like culturally right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people would fix the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineties, either so when it came out, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think was September ninety one, or the moment when

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<v Speaker 2>it kicked Michael Jackson off number one on the Billboard charts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as as you say, when it became pop

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<v Speaker 2>and no one when this song came out, I expected

0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 2>it's ever become pop, like that's the moment when the

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<v Speaker 2>nineties begin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Culturally, yes, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean it is insane to think about that, just as

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<v Speaker 1>conceptually knowing the band, you know where they came from

0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and who they were, surrounded by the idea that you

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<v Speaker 1>would that they're one of their songs would knock Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson off of the from the you said number one spot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>m h.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the album? Yeah, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like the Kicked. I believe Dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>was the Michael Jackson album. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that's you know, I'll say that it's

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.480
<v Speaker 1>probably that's not his best work, so you know, they had.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit of an edge, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask about the way that you do

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<v Speaker 1>your shows. So first off, like, there are a lot

0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of your episodes and I do encourage anybody who's listening

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 1>to this to go and listen to to Rob show

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.240
<v Speaker 1>because it's really fucking entertaining. But there are episodes where

0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I don't know, well, I do know thirty

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.600
<v Speaker 1>minutes in or something, or forty minutes in and and

0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and often not always, but often it is you're sort

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of telling a story about your life and your your youth.

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I thought this episode was about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>play Bone Thugs and Harmony or I don't know if

0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you did both Thugs a harmonyone. But I haven't looked

0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.639
<v Speaker 1>in every episode, but but I'm like, I'm like, I

0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.880
<v Speaker 1>thought this was like I thought this was about Bone

0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Thugs in Harmony, but I have to look. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to check sometimes because I'm like, is he still is

0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.639
<v Speaker 1>that still one of the one I'm listening to? But

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<v Speaker 1>you do get to it. I mean, you you find

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>your way into the song and the reason and there's

0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.479
<v Speaker 1>often not often always rationale behind the story, but like,

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 1>here's what I want to know. Here's what I'm dying

0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to know. Because when we started doing this podcast, I

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, they were like, what podcast do

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you like? And I was like, yours. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's great, And a big part of what

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I liked about it was you were just fucking talking,

0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. You were just like it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not just saying I'm not saying it's like

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<v Speaker 1>low effort or anything. But I was like, you know,

0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I could talk really well, so if I could just

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>talk as much as possible, that would be my ideal podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you write that shit or are you doing that

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<v Speaker 1>just from memory or from your you know, ability to speak?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh a billion percent, I write that shit. These things

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>are scripted down to the word and like almost really

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 2>inflection really yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Okay, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just I just opened up the Google doc

0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:34.959
<v Speaker 2>and I'm one of I think this has always been

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 2>true of my writing. But I'm one of these people

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:42.399
<v Speaker 2>who I reread the first paragraph as I'm writing the second, right, Like,

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 2>in the course of writing a piece, I end up

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>rereading it like fifty times, just because I started at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, and so that applied to this. And so

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm sort of talking out loud and like just

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<v Speaker 2>the delivery. You know, I didn't start this show thinking

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.360
<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be and I still don't

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.840
<v Speaker 2>really think of it as a performance, right, Like I'm

0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.800
<v Speaker 2>not an actor, you know, Like monologue is probably accurate,

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>but always felt a little like pretentious to me. But like, right,

0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just it's always the way I've done it.

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 2>But no, absolutely, I cannot add lib at all, at all,

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.920
<v Speaker 2>at all. Yeah, So this is these are just eight

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>thousand or more word Google docs that I am reading

0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.159
<v Speaker 2>verbatim and trying not to have it sound like that.

0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I should have expected the answer that you were

0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.919
<v Speaker 1>writing them. But I think that there's something about the

0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.440
<v Speaker 1>way that you present these narratives that feels I mean,

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's the way you're writing them, obviously, it's just

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like this kind of feels like a stream of consciousness,

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like someone's just going through this, like you know this obviously.

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.439
<v Speaker 1>Obviously there are many moments that are that have to

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>be like you know, you've got these sort of where

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you where you throw to things right, So those I

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.360
<v Speaker 1>always assumed were like, you know, planned in some way,

0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 1>But the rest of it always feels very like freeform

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.479
<v Speaker 1>to me, and to the point where I guess what

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm I guess what's so interesting about it is you

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>get kind of lost in the story so much that

0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you you sort of like are like, is that you know,

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.400
<v Speaker 1>are we heading? We heading to the right place? Yeah? Now,

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, I feel stupid for maybe not saying like, oh,

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 1>obviously these are written. I don't know, it feels unique

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to me. Again, I don't listen to every podcast, but

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<v Speaker 1>what's your longest sort of you know, lead up to

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you have like a record holder, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for like the longest lead up to the to what

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.679
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the song? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question I have like an I have

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<v Speaker 2>like a vague sense of it, and certainly like it's

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>it's getting worse. That problem is getting worse. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>longest episode of this show ever, like from a from

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<v Speaker 2>a script perspective at least, is Pantera. I don't know

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.679
<v Speaker 2>how that happened. I just talked about Pantera forever for

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand words, but I don't know what happened. But

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they're cool, They're great, but like I would not have

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.719
<v Speaker 2>predicted that, Like the Nirvana show, I think to Facto

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.440
<v Speaker 2>because Courtney Love was on it and spoke herself for

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:02.719
<v Speaker 2>about two hours. Okay, so yes, I should be keeping

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 2>track of exactly when, Like okay, so a script is

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.160
<v Speaker 2>like eight thousand words. I feel like I've several times

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>recently have gotten to like the three thousand or four

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand word mark and I'm still not out. My name

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 2>is Rob Arvilla, and this is like and I'm like,

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.400
<v Speaker 2>oh no, like what is happening? Right? And so let

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.479
<v Speaker 2>me just here. I've got this arguous thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just get to day if I can. Trying to

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<v Speaker 2>see if I can eyeball it and say the Fugazi episode,

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I talked about pee Wee Herman to start off, like

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>because he had passed, and I was like weirdly affected

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 2>by that. Like I talked about pee Wee Herman at

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 2>sort of unnecessary length, fade into you. The Mazzie Star episode,

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I ended up talking about this band Low from Minnesota,

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the slowcore band for a great deal of time, Daft Punk.

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I was, I don't remember what I was talking about it.

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the daft Punk episode. It's around the world, right,

0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I just listened Repetition, Yeah, repetition and you

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was that Actually was one of the episodes

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I think where I was like, what's is this about

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>daft punk or not? You know, but no in a

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>good way.

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I think my editor had the same question, and maybe

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 2>not as much in a good way in his sense

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, there's not a lot of deaf punk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, but but the content, Yeah you're talking about

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you You're talking about dance music. I mean I used

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>to make dance music, like and DJ for a living.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>In the actually in the nineties and early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, you're talking about and you go into

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<v Speaker 1>like fat boy Slim and shit like that, and yeah,

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I believe you touch on like all of the kind

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>of weird popular techno music that existed, but all written

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 1>all on purpose, not just randomly off the off the

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>off the day.

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<v Speaker 2>On purpose. Yeah, it's like it's all on purpose.

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 1>But you're writing. You have written a book. You're writing

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a book. It's coming out. Is it out?

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>No, it's coming out November.

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 1>November, just in time for your holiday shopping. What was

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>the date, right?

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You know the date November Tuesday, November fourteen.

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Great, that's right before Black Friday. I'm saying, perfect and

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>perfect for the music lover in your life, for the dads.

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 2>And nine year olds in your life.

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So how does the book? How does this format?

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it just a collection of the essays that you

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 1>have written? Did you just copy paste into the book

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>format and then send it off to the printer or

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, how does this turn into a book? I

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>guess's what I'm saying.

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 2>That was the plan until I realized that a book

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>of that size would be literally six hundred thousand words.

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 2>That would be the grand total if I just copied really,

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was informed that that was too long, And

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>so what I did instead is I reread all the

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>scripts and I tried to sort of concoct like the

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>greatest hits sort of you know, sections from those songs

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 2>from those scripts, and tried to combine the songs in

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>interesting ways, right like sellouts for example, this concept of

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>selling out very popular in the nineties, right. You know,

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you think about Green Day for doing it, you think

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 2>about Fugazi for not doing it, but you also think

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>about like ice Cube and coulioh having these huge crossover

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>hits in the suburbs, like the white kids in the suburbs,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they're sort of openly grappling with what

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it means, you know, to have all these people now

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>listening to them who aren't from where they're from and

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 2>like don't know what it's like where they're from, you know,

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. So just trying to find different

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>ways of attacking, you know, like the women in Rock question,

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, and just the different ways that someone like

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Shinead O'Connor versus Fiona Apple versus like TLC even sort

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>of dealt with that, and so just trying to group

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>these songs and these artists in these micro eras within

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>the nineties just in new ways and just get weird

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>songs bouncing off one another, you know, get some cool

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>art in there. I'm really psyched about the artists that

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I've got. Tara Jacobe. I worked with her at Gawker Media.

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>She worked for Jezebel, dead Spin Walker back in the day,

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and she's wonderful artist, and I'd like the best part

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of the book is the cover and like her illustrations

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 2>for each chapter. So yeah, it's it's sort of it

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>was imagined as a companion to the book, and there's

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, like there are riffs from the show that

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 2>are fairly verbatim in the book and just sort of adjusted.

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like read okay in a book, but

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of new material too, and it's all

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>sort of recombined in a way that hopefully gets some

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>cool sort of alchemy going, you know, between songs that

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't necessarily put together.

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, I mean that sounds great actually, Like I

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like the idea, the narrative structure of finding those threads

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>between these songs is actually interesting because maybe I'm wrong,

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and you'll tell me you've got the celaborate plan. Like

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like you're necessarily rolling these out in

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a very like this. I don't want this to sound insulting,

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't, you know, it's fairly I don't say,

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Schizophrenic is not the right word. But

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>there's like, you know, it's like it's not like, no,

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>you do a bit. I think it might be like

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you do a block of like you know, one hit,

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, one hit like Chumba one, but like you

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't do a block of like weird one hit wonder songs,

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and then you didn't do a block of like grunge.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You got like sounds like teen Spirit and then shoot

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>by Saltan Peppa. You know, like it's not like Ei

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>there was a connective tissue between those two songs as

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>far as as far as I can.

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Tell, Delightful Chaos.

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think the idea that you would take some

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff and find a link between those things

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>is quite interesting, and so that feels like a reason

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>for the book to exist. I probably will buy the

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>book for somebody for the holidays.

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I would be very kind of you. I appreciate that.

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Might maybe Zelda can Zelda read the book? Is it

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be full of swear words? Are there gonna

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of It's gonna be a lot of

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>nasty stuff in there.

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a goodly amount of nasty stuff. Yeah. Yeah, parental

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>discretion is advised. Unfortunately, that was I didn't think. I

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't think that through. You didn't.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>You didn't consider that nine year olds might want to

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>read the book.

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>What I will do for you and for her is

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I will take a copy here, and I will just

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>mark out every objectionable phrase, you know, and I'll mail

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that on to her. Just redact.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna you're gonna personally redact in.

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>My own book exactly what I'm gonna do.

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, and I assume you'll offer that as

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a service to anybody who needs a clean version.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>You should do the explicit language version and then the

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>clean version, which would be I think very reflective of

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the parental advisory, you know. Label The show has a

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>voracious sort of appetite for all of the songs in

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the nineties, Like I feel like it doesn't restrain itself

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to like a genre, right, And that's great, But like

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>when you were living through the nineties, were you more

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>restrained to a genre, were you more focused on one track?

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to say that I was omnivorous in that way.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>But I think I try to own up to being

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like an alt rock and teenager, right right, Like, I

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>don't think there's any question or any point in denying that.

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Like my foundation, you know, my top five bands when

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I was seventeen years old, most likely Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins,

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead. They might be giants, you know,

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>and so like that's that's a fairly narrow band of experience.

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>So I do think I start from a foundation of

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>alternative rock. And so when you're talking about Achy Breaky

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Hearts for example, or Selena, you know, are like, I

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>don't have the personal like I've listened to this record

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 2>six hundred times in my bedroom sort of experience. And

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I try to be honest about that. But I do

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>think that like in terms of pop radio, you know,

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>in terms of just driving around listening to pop radio,

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>like listening watching MTV constantly, you know, like hanging out

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>with my friends, you know, and whatever they were into.

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that I got, you know, that's helped fill

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>into the gaps to some degree, right, you know, I

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>can talk about rap music, pop music, country music, you know,

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>with some degree of personal experience, but it's not quite

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the same. Like this is my soul, you know, made

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>manifest in arts, you know, the way that the alternative

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>rock of the nineties was, And I just I try

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to be honest about that, you know, And I try

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>to be honest about, you know, the places where I am,

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>perhaps for the first time, doing the deep dive that

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do when I was fifteen, and I certainly

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>respect you know, like Tori Amos for example, right, Like

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>she's someone who I always love hearing her on the radio,

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>always really wanted to go see her play. You know,

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I regret not seeing her live in the nineties, but

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't like a super fan of hers, you know.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>And then like two years ago, I wake up and

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>suddenly I want to listen to Tori Amos for a week,

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, to the exclusion. And I do, and I

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>understand that that's to listen to her that deeply for

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time as a forty year old man is

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>a very different experience, right than as a sixteen year

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>old girl especially, and so I just try to be

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>honest about that, you know, when I'm coming when with

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of personal baggage and when I'm not necessarily.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Right well, but also I mean the nineties by by

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the very function of how you could discover and purchase

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and enjoy music. I mean, I think your show has

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>an omnivorous you know, bent to it in the sense that,

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like we're talking about it's not just focused on like

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the alt rock shit that you liked

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>when you were a teenager or whatever, but partially, you know,

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's even possible to have a thing like that

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>because we now live in an era where the barrier

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to all art or all music, let's just say, is

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>non existent. Like we lived in a time when and

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>tell me, if this was an experience that you share,

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>it must have been where you might have heard a

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>song or somebody played you something and you're like, that's cool,

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what is that? And they're like, oh, it's this band,

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and you were like, I want to hear more of it.

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>So you had to go to like a record store,

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and I mean you could go to one in the

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>mall obviously, and find that band's album a lot, right, Like, Like,

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw the movie Killer Clowns from Outer Space. I'm

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>not sure if you're familiar with it.

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>HBO, My friend, I've watched that movie on HbA and

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a bad movie.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>It has a song by the Dickies in it. I'm

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>not sure if you're familiar with the song. It's the

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>song is called Killer Clowns from Outer Space. Do you

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>know the Do you know the tune? Yeah?

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of Dickies. That's that's the Dickies.

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the Dickies. Wow. So the thing is I had

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 1>never fucking heard of the Dickies. Yeah, And I was like, ooh,

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I like the song because I'm like thirteen and

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>dumb or whatever, and it's it's the song is literally

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>about the movie about Killer Clowns from Outer Space. I

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>like it. By the way, I love a song that's

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>about a movie. It doesn't happen that often, especially not anymore.

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>But like when somebody's written a song for like what's

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>happening in the movie, I think is a really special

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and amazing thing or about what has happened in the movie,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>which I think is incredible, Like like what is the

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Brown song from Ghostbusters too, which.

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>All right, yeah, I love that song.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>It's so good, like he he but he raps.

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 2>People, Yeah, yeah.

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.919
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't. You don't hear a lot of raps

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 1>about Vigo in recent in a recent era of music.

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>It is a drag. But but I was like, so

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I like it was like, Oh, the Dickeys, they're interesting.

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I actually ordered like an EP that that

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>song was on at like something like a a Sam

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Goodie or whatever, and I waited for it to come

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in and then I was like and then I like,

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>then I heard some other Dickeys, So I had never

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>heard of the Dickies before. But the but the other

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>version was that you know, you would go to a

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>place that was and I don't know if you had

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>this experience. I think you got must have, and you

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>probably talked about it and I'm just misremembering or not remembering,

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>but you know, you go to like one of these

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>stories that sold like really good ship, where like there

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>were a bunch of record or working there, and he

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>was like an incredibly intimidating experience if you like went

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>in and you're like you had heard of Slint or

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>something and you're like wanted to find out more about them,

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.919
<v Speaker 1>and you know, you had to confront some guy who

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>thought you were a shithead, who didn't even want to

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>tell you because that's his thing and not yours. You know,

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>so our barrier was very high. So it's like sort

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of understandable. I'm working my way back to the question,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>which is which is I guess to my point about

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the question about the show being omnivorous, but you maybe

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>not beginning in your sort of musical life like that,

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>but it was much harder, Like it was not a

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>thing right in the nineties that you would be. It

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was very rare for a person to be have access

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 1>to and understand like a wide variety of music. Does

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that seem like a fair assessment or am I just

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is that just people from Pittsburgh.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.439
<v Speaker 2>No, that's just Pittsburgh's very Pittsburgh specifically. Absolutely, I agree

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>with you, because the thing is like, Okay, so I

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>hear Undone the Sweater song by Weezer on the radio,

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and I try and tape that song off the radio

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>and take I had just sitting there listening to the

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>radio with my hand hovering over the record button, like

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.959
<v Speaker 2>you're reported onto a blank tape. But to own that song,

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I got to buy the Weezer record for twenty dollars

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 2>and what if it's bad? Right, Like this is the

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>eternal conundrum. And I try and limit the number of

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>times that I do this rant on the show, but

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 2>I have done this rant on the show five to

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>seven times, probably over the course of one hundred plus episodes.

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Now where it's like you go, as you say to

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 2>good Sam Goodie or Camelot Music, and you have this

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>wall of CDs and you have twenty dollars in your

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 2>pocket and you have to pick one, right, you have

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>to pick one, and it has to be good. And

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna listen to that record two hundred times because

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>you are going to extract the value from it. You're

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna get your money's worth, right, And it's like, do

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I risk it on cakes, fashion Nuggets? Do I risk

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 2>it like Teenage Fan Club's Bandwagon ass? Do I risk

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it on Pablo Honey?

0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Right? Because I really like Creep And so it's extremely limiting,

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I.

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Know, it's nuts to think about that. It's like like

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>like I remember I heard like an inspiral carpet song

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>on one hundred and twenty minutes, and I was like,

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.919
<v Speaker 1>this is cool. And then like, you know, I think

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I kind of almost remember this experience of going to

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the record store and looking at the record and going like,

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was probably a CD at this time,

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>but still they were like twenty bucks or something. They

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>weren't cheat, you know, they weren't And I was like,

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like what's on here? And often like

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you'd buy some shit, you'd buy a record and it

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>would suck right. All the rest of the songs would

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>just blow, like you had one song and twelve others

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that were completely not interesting at all to you. But

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>jumping off of the thing that I was asking about,

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like about the show being omnivorous, but you maybe not,

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like those episodes that you're doing that are not about

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>something that you kind of grew up with. I mean

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>you already said right like you don't obviously you can't

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>tell the story around it the same way because it's

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a different story for you. But are there other people

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 1>when you're writing those episodes that you're collaborating with? I mean,

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>are you are you talking to other people about that

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 1>moment for that particular genre or that artist or whatever,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>or is it just you just researching and kind of

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>putting it into into into a narrative.

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just trying to read as widely as I can.

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>You know. Every episode starts, you know, with my endless monologue,

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and then I talked to a guest, right right, and

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>we just have a you know, like a twenty minute conversation.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 2>And the idea there is that the guest has a

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 2>completely different perspective, you know, if it's not something that

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I grew up, you know, with a mind meld and

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a smashing pumpkin sense, like I try and talk to

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>someone who did right right, you know, and just and

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and so in that sense, I try and talk to

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody with a more personal connection to whatever I'm talking about.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But if it's something like say like low stell real

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>like the Mocherina, right, like the Macharena is something I

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>know as like a cultural force or like a scourge

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.439
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know, but I can't say that I'm

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>familiar with like where the Mockerena came from, and like

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 2>the scene that it grew out of, and like what

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>those guys were doing before the mocharina blew up et cetera,

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So I'm reading books, right, and I'm just

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>going back and reading articles from that time, and it's

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 2>more of a research thing, I guess, and then I

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 2>just try and bring in, you know, like I have

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 2>plenty of experience like a junior high dances, you know,

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>like watching people do the macarena and like having this

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>mixture of like, I hate this song. I wish I

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>was out there having fun dancing to this song, like

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that very complex, right, series of emotions that you have

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.240
<v Speaker 2>interested and you're in an eighth grade after school junior

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>high dance. But yeah, I just it's not necessarily that

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I talk to somebody to sort of manufacture that personal connection.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>But like the show hopefully does involve me interviewing somebody

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 2>after I've done my bit about their more personal story

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:40.439
<v Speaker 2>relating to the song.

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Your audience must be made up of

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>people like our age, right, I mean there must be

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sorry, it's not all it's not sorry,

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not all people our age. But I'm just like

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like, you know, I mean, the appetite

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>for nostalgia is high, and I feel like there's something

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>about this this era and maybe this is just the

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>gen X guy. I'm just like it seemed really important,

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>and like maybe every decade seems really important. But when

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I listened to the show, I'm like, oh, yeah, because

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you're talking about politics or you're

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about culture, you know, outside of music or societal

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>things that we're shifting. And do the nineties actually stand

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>out as a outsized moment in cultural sort of history

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>or is that just because I'm old now and I

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 1>lived through it.

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I do think that both things can be true. I

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>think it is absolutely true that the music that you

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.320
<v Speaker 2>loved when you were a teenager is the greatest music

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you'll ever hear. I do think the emotional connection that

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>you form with that music it's it's it's the music

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you love the most. It's the most important music to you,

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so in that sense, it is sort

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 2>of a gen X thing, right, Like we think the

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>nineties are the best because we were teenagers in the

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 2>nineties and that's the end of it, you know. And

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like if you were a teenager in the sixties, if

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 2>you were a teenager in the twenty tens, then that's

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the most important music to you. And everything else sucks,

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Like everything else is just old or it's new fangled

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's not as good. I do think that the nineties.

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, when we started this show, we were just like,

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>let's do a show that's like songs. Every episode is

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 2>about a song, you know, like what is a framing

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that works here? And the nineties jumped out immediately, Like

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess my standard stick is like it's far enough

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that it's the past, but it's recent enough that it's

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>still imprinting on the present, you know, like you can

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 2>still hear, see, feel a lot of nineties energy, you know,

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>in the culture being made today, Like it's it's present

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 2>tense enough, right, but it also feels like a distinct

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>period of time to possibly a greater degree than the

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>aughts do. Like that's the way it feels for me.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 2>And I try and filter out again the fact that

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I was a teenager, Like I try it and acknowledge that,

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>like the nineties are always going to be the ultimate

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 2>for me. But is there something about this decade? Is

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>there something about the pre internets, the immediate pre Internet

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 2>of this decade that makes it distinct? Right? You know,

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 2>this is the last decade that will not be dominated

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 2>by the Internet the way you know, as you're saying

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, we're saying with the record stores and

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>buying one CD for twenty bucks, like this is the

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 2>end of the line for that shit, right right, And

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>that matters, And that makes the two thousands as a

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>block feel completely different from a musical perspective, because that's Mapster.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 2>You can listen to everything and you can be omnivorous

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>on a budget now in a way that you just

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 2>couldn't in the nineties. So it's it's but I think

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>both things are true. I think there is an undeniable

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>bias that you and I both have for this decade.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 2>And when we say, oh, it's the greatest day, like

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 2>music will never get better than this's like we're being

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>old men, undeniably. But I do think that there are

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>actual objective aspects of the nineties and where it falls

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>and the scope of human history that make it distinct

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and make it like remarkable, as like a block of time,

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, with qualities that were never repeated before or since.

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the framing of that is perfect. You're

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>very good at this. You should do this professionally. That's

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>my suggestion. You should do podcasting as a profession. I

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>think it could be very lucrative for you. I know,

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>it's funny you said, like, you know, we think that

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like music in the nineties is the best music. I

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know that. I actually mean this is not a

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>knock on anyone who does. I don't know that I do.

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But I was a huge nerd in the nineties and

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and my like music exposure was really weird, and I

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think like it was. It was definitely

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a huge part of my life because part of it

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was like me, I used to you know, make money

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 1>doing it and used to you know, that was like

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a focal point of of many years of my life.

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>But I had things that were going on, like like

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the Internet matter to me in the nineties more than

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>music did. Like I was a huge fucking nerd, and

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>where my attention was, folks, was like understanding what this

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 1>new thing was called the Internet, which like you know,

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I was online fairly young, like before the internet was

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 1>even the Internet. But it's interesting because like this was,

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.919
<v Speaker 1>like music for you is not a hobby, right, I mean,

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you became a man who writes about music and now

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>has podcasts about music. It's like it's bigger than that

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>for you.

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Nah, this was my life pretty immediately. I have to

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>say I was. I did dial up onto the internet,

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, late in the nineties, but I was not

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 2>a man of the Internet in the nineties. No, it

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.799
<v Speaker 2>was pretty evident to me by the time I was

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>in high school that I wanted to be a rock critic, right,

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to write for Rolling Stone, you know. It

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>was clear to me that music was going to be

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>one of the most important things in my life from

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>when I was like six years old, right, you know,

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 2>from when I became ubsessed with MTV or whatever. And so, No,

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I do think that I am printed with music in

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a really intense and unnecessary way from the very beginning,

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was sort of the prism through which I

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 2>saw and heard and felt everything.

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Yeah, I mean, and I think that comes through

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 1>in the show, and I think that's what makes it

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 1>still compelling to listen to. I mean, but we should

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.240
<v Speaker 1>say the show is at least going to one hundred

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and twenty episodes, correct.

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we'll stop there.

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're sure you're going to stop a one

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty I'm I'm pretty sure like what if,

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>like you get to twenty and then you remember this

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>one song that was super important that you didn't get to.

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Robo Humpin' slow More, Babe, I gotta do that. Yeah,

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>it's just as a possibility.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 1>It could it could happen. So looking through the list,

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and I have thought about this, like there are songs

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>that aren't the obvious song or aren't the one that

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you know which is good. But I think it like

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>opens up the question in my mind is like it

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>will there be that obvious one that that you feel like,

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.839
<v Speaker 1>oh shit, why didn't I do you know X? I'm

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking of like Pearl Jam, like not that the song

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that you chose is not perfect.

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Pearl Dam was one. Yeah, It's like I tried

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to you know, I did Yellow Lead better, but I

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 2>tried to talk about what like Jeremy even Flow like Daughter,

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I if I'm doing an episode on an artist

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>that has like a huge catalog, like I try and

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 2>get to everything that I can, and sometimes you know,

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 2>it's in the Nervada episode for example, like I thought

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>about doing Where did You Sleep Last Night? You know,

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the unplugged version? Yeah, you know, but then in the

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 2>end it just felt obnoxious not to lead with smells

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>like Teen Spirit.

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>It'd be fucking crazy. Honestly, I thought, for sure, well

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.479
<v Speaker 1>when you when you didn't do it for so long,

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, so this must be he's going

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to end the series.

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought forever, right, Yes, that was the plan.

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because it seemed obvious to me, like to do

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it that way, like, and I'm like, that's why, because

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, he must have done smells like Teen Spirit

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't there, And you're like, okay, well that's weird. Yeah, yeah, No,

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think it would have been. I think

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>people would have been in rage, to be honest, maybe

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:00.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if people get it raged about your show,

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but like you know, like they're on the internet, so

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you're definitely going to get the uh you know. I think, like, yeah,

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 1>would have been bizarre at least to ignore smells like

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Teen Spirit for you know, actually kind of is kind

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>of a record store guy move. When you think about it,

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to do something like that, it's sort of like you're like, oh,

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you get you like smells like teen Spirit. That's actually

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 1>not really their best song.

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I've into their earlier stuff, you know, which is not

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>even nineties. But screw you guys. Yeah exactly, I mean Sliver, Yeah,

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean you have the you have.

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>You definitely have the knowledge of a record store guy.

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. I think based on how much

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you want to share the knowledge, you don't have the

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 1>personality of a record store guy. So that's very important.

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 2>That's that's very kind of you to say.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>On that nice moment. So sixty Songs That Explain the

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Nineties comes out November fourteenth.

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 2>November fourteenth, and.

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Rob, thank you for coming on. And uh, I would

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>love to have you back when you when you have

0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>decided on your next decade, you're going to have to

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>come back and explain.

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I would love to come back. I would I would

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.399
<v Speaker 2>like to talk to Zelda again when I come back.

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I could almost guarantee that will happen because she'll

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.720
<v Speaker 1>be very excited to explore another another decade of music.

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>You could book it.

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll do that, Rob, thanks so much.

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Thanks to.

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Well. That is our show for this week, and what

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.479
<v Speaker 1>a show. I gotta say. I feel like I maybe

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he was a little bit of like a fanboy, maybe

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>too much in parts of then not really sure, but uh,

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's fine. I'm going to own it. I'm

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna own it. I'm gonna own my fan positioning that

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I may have stepped into during the show, and you know,

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not ashamed. I think it's great to like

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>something and I don't have any I don't have any

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>qualms about owning it completely. Anyhow, that is our show

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 1>this week. We'll be back next week with more of

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>what future, and as always, I wish you and your

0:48:54.680 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 1>family the very best. Ye