1 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Josh Witzapolski, 2 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: and I have to say today's show is a unique 3 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: treat for me. Our guest, who I'll tell you about 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: in a second, has become a iconic, really a member 5 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: of the family in a way. I mean I don't 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: actually know him at all personally or in real life, 7 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: but he has in some way become a voice in 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: our house that I hear on a regular basis, of course, 9 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: talking about the music journalist and critic Rob Harvilla. He 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: hosts a show that you can find on I believe 11 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: it's on Spotify. It's a Ringer podcast. It's called Sixty 12 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: Songs That Explain the Nineties. It is way over sixty 13 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: songs at this point, and it is sort of one 14 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: man's travelogue through the songs that for me were very 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: much and for my wife were very much a part 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: of our youth and a part of our growing up 17 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: and sort of are incredibly resonant and important to us. 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: And actually, to begin the conversation with Rob, a real 19 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: member of my family is going to join me, my 20 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: daughter Zelda June. So let's just let's get into it. Okay, wait, there, 21 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: you go. It's just that the seed is like not 22 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: designed for a man in a child to sit on 23 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: at the same time. Can you live talking to the 24 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: mic and you hi? 25 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: You know? 26 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean you definitely definitely was better when you were 27 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: like up high. I guess I could tilt the mic 28 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: your way like that. Oh yeah, so better? Yeah that works. Okay, 29 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: I can hear myself. Hew, there he is when I 30 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: got to get Zelda in frame. Okay, this is very exciting. 31 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: This is Zelda. 32 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: Hi, Zelda. I'm Rob. It's nice to meet you. You 33 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: are nine years old? Am I correct? Since stated you're nine? 34 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 35 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: I have a nine year old son named Griffin, so 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: he's this is old. 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: They should meet. 38 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: I have some nine year old experience. 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: So you're familiar with nine year olds, is what you're saying. 40 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yes, good. 41 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: So Zelda's mom, Laura, my wife, introduced her to your 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: show and she is a huge fan. 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: That's very flattering, right, would. 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: You say it's your favorite podcast? 45 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: You don't have to say that. It's not true. 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: And she's listened to a lot of very inappropriate episodes 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: with a lot of bad lines. 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was going to apologize 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: for the language, which is rude of me. And had 50 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: I known this Elda was listening, of course I would 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: not have said any of the many inappropriate things that 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: I've said. 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I don't think you should edit yourself, Flda. 54 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: So Zelda put some questions together. She wanted to talk 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: to you, and she made a list of questions here 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: and we've highlighted two of them. 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I'm so excited about this. 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Okay, take it away. This is all this is all yours. 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: Hello, Zelda. Hit me. 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: What is a song from the nineties that you like 61 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: but you are not going to do on the podcast? 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that's a very good question. 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: It's a good question. 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: Let me think about this for a second. I really 65 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: like a band called Morphine h. They were from Boston. 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: It was a dude playing bass, but I think there 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: were only like two strings on the bass, if I 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: remember correctly, and then a dude playing saxophone and a 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: dude on drums. There was sort of like a jazz 70 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: rock type band that had a few modest hits on 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: all alternative rock radio in the nineties. And I really 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: really like them, and I listened to them a lot, 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: and I've thought about doing an episode, but it may 74 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: be they may not be quite huge enough to do 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: a whole episode about. The huge problem I have with 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: this show is there's too many songs. Right, Like, it's 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 2: called sixty songs, but then I did like fifty songs 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, I have way 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: too many other songs. And I keep adding new songs 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: and that's very obnoxious. And now the title of the 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: show is wrong. It's and the seo is ruined. This 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: is a terrible situation, and so I have to cut 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: it off somewhere. And so I fear that I will 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: not get around to doing an episode on Morphine. On 85 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: a song, what would I do if I did Morphine, 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: I would probably do the song Buyna, which is I 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: think the first song that I ever heard by them. 88 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: I really like it. That means good in Spanish. You 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: probably know that nine year old's are really smart tu 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: That's one song that I really really love. And if 91 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: every episode of this show is just me being super 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: indulgent in doing whatever I wanted to do, like, I 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: would for sure do an episode on the band Morphine. 94 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: But because I'm I care about the people you know, 95 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: and I have a mission here and I have people 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: to answer to besides myself. I am I am gonna 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: have to graciously not do the Morphine episode that I 98 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: would really love to do. 99 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: My follow up is I feel like, unfortunately, now that 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: you've said it, now you've put it out into the universe, 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: it seems almost inevitable that you'll have to do the episode. 102 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I know what you're saying now, it's like, well, if 103 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: you don't do it, maybe you've missed an important moment 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: for yourself and for the show. 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I think this is the first 106 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: time that I've ever said that, like, I'm probably not 107 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: going to do this song. Like I've tried to keep 108 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: it open ended. I've tried to be really arbitrary. I've 109 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: ended up doing other songs that I thought that I 110 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: wasn't going to do. And so you're absolutely right that, 111 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: for all you know, that could have been just an ingenious, 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: you know, head fake to make you think that I 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: wasn't going to do it. But I'm going to do 114 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: it immediately now that I've said I is I gonna 115 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: do it. That's just how I roll. 116 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm unpredictable, also interesting, that Zelda maybe got the first 117 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: you're saying maybe the first ever. You're not going to do. 118 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: It, that's right. Yeah, it's it's just that that's just 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: the kind of interviewer she is. This is very very aggressive, 120 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: and I just you freaked me on and I just 121 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: hit answered. Honestly, it's it's really remarkable. 122 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching Jonathan Swan and Trump right now, 123 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and uh. 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: There you go, Frost Nixon. 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: She isn't exactly, she's another one here. Do you want 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: to read that one? You don't know how to phrase it? No, 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: this is good, this is good. Just read it. Just 128 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: read it. 129 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: It's a good question too. 130 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I will dying to know the answer to this. Go ahead. 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: So if you are going to end the podcast, are 132 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: you just gonna stop? Or are you gonna do a 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: different era of music? 134 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: Credible stuff? 135 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: Are you just gonna stop? It's that's that is incredible. Yeah. 136 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 1: She actually she actually said are you going? She actually 137 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: wrote are you going to stop podcasting? 138 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: Specific I'm going to retire? 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this. 140 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: She started with it, so is great. It's very Yeah, 141 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: it's jocular. Okay, I would I would love to and 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: I have every intention to do another podcast after I 143 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: stop doing this podcast. I have to stop at some point. 144 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: It's going to get obnoxious if I do too many songs. 145 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: I am almost certainly actually going to stop at one 146 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty songs, which means I have sixteen left, 147 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: which will take me through the end of the year 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: or maybe a little into January. But I really want 149 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: to do something else. I am not quite clear on 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: what that is yet. I have thought about doing the eighties. 151 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure you're very familiar with Delda with the eighties. 152 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: I thought about doing the twenty one. Big problem here 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: is I hate the term the aughts, like I just, 154 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: I just I don't like that specific way to describe 155 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: the first decade of the two thousands, right, like just. 156 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: The yeah yeah, she doesn't you know when when the 157 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: two thousands were just originally just the thousands. People call 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: me a lot because that's an old timey that's an 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: old timey word for zero for zeros. 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: Zeros is excellent. Dadding that you're doing right now that 161 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: I'm getting to it is I would like to do it. 162 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: I would like to do another show. I have every 163 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: intention of doing another show. I should know what that is. 164 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: I should be more prepared than I am. But I 165 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: don't know what it is. But I do know that 166 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: it's going to be something. I'm going to come up 167 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: with it anytime now. But I do not intend to 168 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: retire from podcasting. I should probably keep doing this. 169 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: That's good. I mean, that's very good to know. I 170 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: just want to just say, I mean, I mean, this 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: is I've actually never seen zou to do this. Okay, 172 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: she's right taking she's taking notes. 173 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: It's like a therapy. 174 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: If she really originally wrote down one hundred twenty songs 175 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: and then she said, put left. But it's not one 176 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: hundred twenty songs left. I think, no, you don't have 177 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: to race. It's fine. But she wrote one hundred twenty 178 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: songs and then wrote down another show, which I guess 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: has heard is confirming making sure she got the confirmation 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: that you will be doing another part. 181 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: It's in writing, which I if I told Zelda, now 182 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: I have to do it. Zelda, can I ask you 183 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: a question? Yeah, what is your favorite song from the nineties? 184 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: So oh, I think you probably have an answer to this. 185 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: What's your favorite song from the nineties? You just did 186 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: your your School of Rock showcase was on nineties. Right, 187 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is there one of those songs that's your favorite? 188 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 189 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: What is it? 190 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: Buddy Holly? 191 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: Is it from the nineties? It is? 192 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: Is it? It is Buddy Holly from by Weezer. Yeah, 193 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: Weezer's Buddy Holly is an excellent nineties you're saying you 194 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: just played that song. You're in the school of Rock program. 195 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, she sang lead vocals on that song. 196 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: You sang lead vocals on Buddy Holliday. Yeah, so cool. 197 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: You you noticed she did lead vocals on Epics by 198 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: Faith No more. 199 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: No, she did not. That's it was ever heard a 200 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: nine year Oh my, is there video? Is that available? 201 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: I think I have video? Yeah, I definitely have video 202 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: of it, and I'm happy to produce it. 203 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: And you gotta drop the SoundCloud, drop the lake. You 204 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: were one of the coolest nine year olds I know. 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: I guess I have a nine year old as well. 206 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: You would be, you can't you and my You and 207 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: my son are the two coolest nine year olds around. 208 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: You sang lead vocals on Do You Like Epic? Is 209 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: that a hard song to sing? 210 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, when you hear it it's hard, but 211 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: when you actually like learn it, it's pretty easy. 212 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Okay, she was excited. 213 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: There's it's essentially a rap, and she was very excited 214 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: it is. 215 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's so cool man, it's at it. Oh 216 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: my gosh, that's the neatest day I've ever heard. 217 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean, all of it was just seeing children play 218 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: those songs, just completely. 219 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: Did someone play the piano part at the end? Oh yeah, Yeah, 220 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: that's the best part of the song for me, is 221 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: the piano part of the wait, did you do epic? 222 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: I didn't because it's eighty nine. It's one of the 223 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: songs that's not actually from the nineties. Oh wow, it barely, 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: isn't it barely? Isn't it? It was like popular in 225 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: ninety maybe let's say that's right, that's exactly right. It 226 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: peaked in nineteen ninety, but did not. 227 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, so did that was a nineties thing, though, 228 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: wasn't it. 229 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 230 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: You gotta go in there and tell them they messed up. 231 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: I'd be like, guys, here's the one problem with our 232 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: showcase that we did is that thatens technically from the eighties. 233 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, that's you gotta fact check the school, 234 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: you gotta you. 235 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: Gotta hit it, get hit with the facts. All right, Well, Zelda, 236 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: I think you got to go back in. Right. Do 237 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: you have anything else, any other question you want to 238 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: ask Rob or any other thing, anything you'd like to say, 239 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: you want to do that one? Okay, go ahead. 240 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: How did you think of a name for your podcast? 241 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: We were trying, We were trying to think of the 242 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: right number of songs to do, and ninety songs would 243 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: have made more sense. But I was it would have 244 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: made a lot more sense, right, But I was worried 245 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: that people wouldn't like this show and I would be 246 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: embarrassed if the name of the show was ninety songs. 247 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: They explained the ninetes, and then after like three episodes, 248 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: people like, this show is terrible, you need to stop. 249 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: And then I was the guy who got like who 250 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: got a show canceled with ninety in the title, right, 251 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: and so sixty but then thirty songs was too few songs, 252 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: and so sixty which is still an embarrassing amount of songs. 253 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: If I had been canceled after three songs, like but 254 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: sixty was between. 255 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: Sixty and ninety, I feel like the embarrassment would be 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: pretty right. 257 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: Yes, mistakes were made in this in this thought process. 258 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Zelda, great job and now you're going to go. 259 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: It was great to me, U Zelda. You are my 260 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: youngest fan or a person who's ever listened to this podcast, 261 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: and I'm honored. 262 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: It's very great to me. 263 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the faith no more weezy thing. That's awesome. 264 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: Good luck to you. 265 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Do you want to sign off? 266 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 267 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: How would you sign off here? From this conversation? Bye? Bye? 268 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: Well that was delightful. 269 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: I consider to be one of the most delightful people 270 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: that I know, so as is obvious, I think we 271 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: are huge fans of the show and huge fans of you. 272 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: And I shouldn't say this because I'm a podcaster, but 273 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, and I 274 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: think your show I just don't like. I just I'm 275 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: very you know, I'm very busy multitask space and it's 276 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: a safe space for us, and yours is one that 277 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: I find to be consistently entertaining and educational and hilarious. 278 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: And just like I'm very charmed by you and I 279 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: listened to you. I'm like entering as a fan and 280 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: uh and an appreciator. 281 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: Of that's tremendously kind of you. It's all a facade. 282 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: So I mean, you're you and I must be close 283 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: in age. 284 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: We are we are I'm forty five. 285 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh I'm forty five also, so we're actually the exact 286 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: same age. All right, that's great. You said you think 287 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna do one hundred and twenty episodes total of 288 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: this podcast. You're on what number? Now? 289 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: I am thinking about episode one oh five. I have 290 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: sixteen episodes remaining, you know that shows on a little 291 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: break right now. We'll return, I believe on October eleventh, 292 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: and we're going to go straight through. You know, so 293 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: the holidays accepted, et cetera. But like the last sixteen 294 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: are a block that we are thinking about now, and 295 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: it is vexing. This is a vexing document. 296 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: To me, because there are too many songs that you 297 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: want to do. 298 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: There are too many saws, and it's just it's not flowing. 299 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: Like I just there's like a harmony and like a 300 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: beauty that I really want to concoct right of this 301 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: Excel chart, and I just I haven't gotten there yet. 302 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: It's as I look at it, and it just it 303 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: doesn't look quite right. 304 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: You know. 305 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever have that feeling, but 306 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not sure exactly what I'm. 307 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: Doing, Like you're missing something or you just don't feel 308 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: like the order the flow is correct. 309 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: Both really, you know, it's it's it's we you know, 310 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: we have you know, the list of songs that we 311 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: probably are not going to do at this point is 312 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: very disturbing right to me because there's so much cool 313 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: stuff on here. But all of those are still technically possible. 314 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, it's a combination of like, you know, 315 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: for every song that we add now you know, there 316 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: are five that de facto are being left off. Right. 317 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: This is the point I would get to previously where 318 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: I would then go to my to my friends and 319 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: masters at the Ringer and be like, can we please 320 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: do more episodes? They're like fine, all right, you know 321 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: it's and then like that's what we did when we 322 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: got close to sixty, That's what we did when we 323 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: got close to ninety, you know, and like they're not 324 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: going to let me extend again, Like I I probably 325 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: should bring a somewhat dignified conclusion, but it's not a 326 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: good feeling to try and orchestrate that, right. 327 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I feel like there is this kind of symmetry though, 328 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: with one hundred and twenty. I mean it immediately evokes 329 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty minutes from MTV, which of course 330 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: was I mean a very much a nineties product, and 331 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: like probably the place where so many many of the 332 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: songs that you've talked about were sort of not discovered 333 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: exactly a bit discovered by the masses or much much 334 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: larger audience. 335 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: Discovered by me. Certainly, Yeah, absolutely is huge for me. 336 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: So I think one twenty sounds right, does I mean, 337 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: what you were talking about, this idea that you know 338 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: went from sixty to ninety and now you have one 339 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty. I had some idea in my head 340 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: when I when I started listening to it that like, 341 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: because you hadn't done pretty far into the show, you 342 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: hadn't done some songs that I thought were like really important. 343 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean one, I think the one that stood out 344 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: with smells like teen Spirit, which, which, like I guess 345 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: I think from my money. I don't know if this 346 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: is a globally considered truth or not, but I feel 347 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: like it's probably the most important song from the nineties. Like, 348 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's. 349 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: I agree with you, Yeah, to the extent that there's 350 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: a consensus. You know, if if rock, if guitar music, 351 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: et cetera, is a thing you're at all interested in, 352 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: I think that's a safe bad. 353 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess I should say yeah in the rock space, 354 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: but also like more but also beyond rock into like pop, 355 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: because I think what was interesting about it, which is 356 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: it seems like nothing now, seems like no big deal, 357 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: but it was like a song that should not have 358 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: been as massively popular as it was, like to a 359 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: broad set of people, and yet it was like a 360 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: defining point. And that's early nine. That's like it came 361 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: out what ninety one, ninety he. 362 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: Came out in ninety one, you know. And I think people, 363 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: you know how they say, like a decade doesn't begin 364 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: like you know, on January first, nineteen ninety like culturally right, 365 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would fix the beginning 366 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: of the nineties, either so when it came out, which 367 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: I think was September ninety one, or the moment when 368 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: it kicked Michael Jackson off number one on the Billboard charts, 369 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: you know, as as you say, when it became pop 370 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: and no one when this song came out, I expected 371 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: it's ever become pop, like that's the moment when the 372 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: nineties begin. 373 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 374 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: Culturally, yes, I. 375 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: Mean it is insane to think about that, just as 376 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: conceptually knowing the band, you know where they came from 377 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: and who they were, surrounded by the idea that you 378 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: would that they're one of their songs would knock Michael 379 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Jackson off of the from the you said number one spot, right, 380 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: m h. 381 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: I think it was the album? Yeah, yeah, I think 382 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: I think it was like the Kicked. I believe Dangerous 383 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 2: was the Michael Jackson album. Yeah. 384 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's you know, I'll say that it's 385 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: probably that's not his best work, so you know, they had. 386 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: A little bit of an edge, that's true. 387 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I want to ask about the way that you do 388 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: your shows. So first off, like, there are a lot 389 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: of your episodes and I do encourage anybody who's listening 390 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: to this to go and listen to to Rob show 391 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: because it's really fucking entertaining. But there are episodes where 392 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know, well, I do know thirty 393 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: minutes in or something, or forty minutes in and and 394 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: and often not always, but often it is you're sort 395 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: of telling a story about your life and your your youth. 396 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I thought this episode was about, you know, 397 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: play Bone Thugs and Harmony or I don't know if 398 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: you did both Thugs a harmonyone. But I haven't looked 399 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: in every episode, but but I'm like, I'm like, I 400 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: thought this was like I thought this was about Bone 401 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: Thugs in Harmony, but I have to look. I have 402 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to check sometimes because I'm like, is he still is 403 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: that still one of the one I'm listening to? But 404 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: you do get to it. I mean, you you find 405 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: your way into the song and the reason and there's 406 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: often not often always rationale behind the story, but like, 407 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: here's what I want to know. Here's what I'm dying 408 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: to know. Because when we started doing this podcast, I 409 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: was like, you know, they were like, what podcast do 410 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: you like? And I was like, yours. I was like, 411 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: I think that's great, And a big part of what 412 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: I liked about it was you were just fucking talking, 413 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: you know. You were just like it's like it's like 414 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not just saying I'm not saying it's like 415 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: low effort or anything. But I was like, you know, 416 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: I could talk really well, so if I could just 417 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: talk as much as possible, that would be my ideal podcast. 418 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: Do you write that shit or are you doing that 419 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: just from memory or from your you know, ability to speak? 420 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: Oh a billion percent, I write that shit. These things 421 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: are scripted down to the word and like almost really 422 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: inflection really yes, yes. 423 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, that's crazy. 424 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I just opened up the Google doc 425 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 2: and I'm one of I think this has always been 426 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: true of my writing. But I'm one of these people 427 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: who I reread the first paragraph as I'm writing the second, right, Like, 428 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: in the course of writing a piece, I end up 429 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: rereading it like fifty times, just because I started at 430 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: the beginning, and so that applied to this. And so 431 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: now I'm sort of talking out loud and like just 432 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: the delivery. You know, I didn't start this show thinking 433 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: that it was going to be and I still don't 434 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: really think of it as a performance, right, Like I'm 435 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: not an actor, you know, Like monologue is probably accurate, 436 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: but always felt a little like pretentious to me. But like, right, 437 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: it's it's just it's always the way I've done it. 438 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: But no, absolutely, I cannot add lib at all, at all, 439 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, So this is these are just eight 440 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: thousand or more word Google docs that I am reading 441 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: verbatim and trying not to have it sound like that. 442 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have expected the answer that you were 443 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: writing them. But I think that there's something about the 444 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: way that you present these narratives that feels I mean, 445 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: maybe it's the way you're writing them, obviously, it's just 446 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: like this kind of feels like a stream of consciousness, 447 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: like someone's just going through this, like you know this obviously. 448 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: Obviously there are many moments that are that have to 449 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: be like you know, you've got these sort of where 450 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: you where you throw to things right, So those I 451 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: always assumed were like, you know, planned in some way, 452 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: But the rest of it always feels very like freeform 453 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: to me, and to the point where I guess what 454 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm I guess what's so interesting about it is you 455 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: get kind of lost in the story so much that 456 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: you you sort of like are like, is that you know, 457 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: are we heading? We heading to the right place? Yeah? Now, 458 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: in retrospect, I feel stupid for maybe not saying like, oh, 459 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: obviously these are written. I don't know, it feels unique 460 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: to me. Again, I don't listen to every podcast, but 461 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: what's your longest sort of you know, lead up to 462 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: do you do you have like a record holder, you know, 463 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: for like the longest lead up to the to what 464 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: you mentioned the song? Do you know? 465 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: It's a good question I have like an I have 466 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: like a vague sense of it, and certainly like it's 467 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: it's getting worse. That problem is getting worse. Like the 468 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: longest episode of this show ever, like from a from 469 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: a script perspective at least, is Pantera. I don't know 470 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: how that happened. I just talked about Pantera forever for 471 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: ten thousand words, but I don't know what happened. But 472 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: they're cool, They're great, but like I would not have 473 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 2: predicted that, Like the Nirvana show, I think to Facto 474 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: because Courtney Love was on it and spoke herself for 475 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 2: about two hours. Okay, so yes, I should be keeping 476 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: track of exactly when, Like okay, so a script is 477 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: like eight thousand words. I feel like I've several times 478 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: recently have gotten to like the three thousand or four 479 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: thousand word mark and I'm still not out. My name 480 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: is Rob Arvilla, and this is like and I'm like, 481 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: oh no, like what is happening? Right? And so let 482 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 2: me just here. I've got this arguous thing. 483 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go. 484 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: I'll just get to day if I can. Trying to 485 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: see if I can eyeball it and say the Fugazi episode, 486 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: I talked about pee Wee Herman to start off, like 487 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: because he had passed, and I was like weirdly affected 488 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: by that. Like I talked about pee Wee Herman at 489 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: sort of unnecessary length, fade into you. The Mazzie Star episode, 490 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: I ended up talking about this band Low from Minnesota, 491 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: the slowcore band for a great deal of time, Daft Punk. 492 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: I was, I don't remember what I was talking about it. 493 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh, the daft Punk episode. It's around the world, right, 494 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: I think I just listened Repetition, Yeah, repetition and you 495 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah that was that Actually was one of the episodes 496 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: I think where I was like, what's is this about 497 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: daft punk or not? You know, but no in a 498 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: good way. 499 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: I think my editor had the same question, and maybe 500 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: not as much in a good way in his sense 501 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, there's not a lot of deaf punk. 502 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah no, but but the content, Yeah you're talking about 503 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: you You're talking about dance music. I mean I used 504 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: to make dance music, like and DJ for a living. 505 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: In the actually in the nineties and early two thousands. 506 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: So so yeah, you're talking about and you go into 507 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: like fat boy Slim and shit like that, and yeah, 508 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: I believe you touch on like all of the kind 509 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: of weird popular techno music that existed, but all written 510 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: all on purpose, not just randomly off the off the 511 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: off the day. 512 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: On purpose. Yeah, it's like it's all on purpose. 513 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: But you're writing. You have written a book. You're writing 514 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: a book. It's coming out. Is it out? 515 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: No, it's coming out November. 516 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: November, just in time for your holiday shopping. What was 517 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the date, right? 518 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: You know the date November Tuesday, November fourteen. 519 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: Great, that's right before Black Friday. I'm saying, perfect and 520 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: perfect for the music lover in your life, for the dads. 521 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: And nine year olds in your life. 522 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: That's right. So how does the book? How does this format? 523 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Is it just a collection of the essays that you 524 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: have written? Did you just copy paste into the book 525 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: format and then send it off to the printer or 526 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, how does this turn into a book? I 527 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: guess's what I'm saying. 528 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: That was the plan until I realized that a book 529 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: of that size would be literally six hundred thousand words. 530 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: That would be the grand total if I just copied really, 531 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: and I was informed that that was too long, And 532 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: so what I did instead is I reread all the 533 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: scripts and I tried to sort of concoct like the 534 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: greatest hits sort of you know, sections from those songs 535 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: from those scripts, and tried to combine the songs in 536 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: interesting ways, right like sellouts for example, this concept of 537 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: selling out very popular in the nineties, right. You know, 538 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: you think about Green Day for doing it, you think 539 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: about Fugazi for not doing it, but you also think 540 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: about like ice Cube and coulioh having these huge crossover 541 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: hits in the suburbs, like the white kids in the suburbs, 542 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, and they're sort of openly grappling with what 543 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: it means, you know, to have all these people now 544 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: listening to them who aren't from where they're from and 545 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: like don't know what it's like where they're from, you know, 546 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So just trying to find different 547 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: ways of attacking, you know, like the women in Rock question, 548 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: you know, and just the different ways that someone like 549 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: Shinead O'Connor versus Fiona Apple versus like TLC even sort 550 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: of dealt with that, and so just trying to group 551 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: these songs and these artists in these micro eras within 552 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: the nineties just in new ways and just get weird 553 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: songs bouncing off one another, you know, get some cool 554 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: art in there. I'm really psyched about the artists that 555 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: I've got. Tara Jacobe. I worked with her at Gawker Media. 556 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: She worked for Jezebel, dead Spin Walker back in the day, 557 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: and she's wonderful artist, and I'd like the best part 558 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: of the book is the cover and like her illustrations 559 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: for each chapter. So yeah, it's it's sort of it 560 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: was imagined as a companion to the book, and there's 561 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: you know, like there are riffs from the show that 562 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: are fairly verbatim in the book and just sort of adjusted. 563 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's like read okay in a book, but 564 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: there's a lot of new material too, and it's all 565 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: sort of recombined in a way that hopefully gets some 566 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: cool sort of alchemy going, you know, between songs that 567 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: you wouldn't necessarily put together. 568 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Right, No, I mean that sounds great actually, Like I 569 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: like the idea, the narrative structure of finding those threads 570 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: between these songs is actually interesting because maybe I'm wrong, 571 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: and you'll tell me you've got the celaborate plan. Like 572 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like you're necessarily rolling these out in 573 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: a very like this. I don't want this to sound insulting, 574 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: but it doesn't, you know, it's fairly I don't say, 575 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Schizophrenic is not the right word. But 576 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: there's like, you know, it's like it's not like, no, 577 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: you do a bit. I think it might be like 578 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: you do a block of like you know, one hit, 579 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, one hit like Chumba one, but like you 580 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: didn't do a block of like weird one hit wonder songs, 581 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: and then you didn't do a block of like grunge. 582 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: You got like sounds like teen Spirit and then shoot 583 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: by Saltan Peppa. You know, like it's not like Ei 584 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: there was a connective tissue between those two songs as 585 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: far as as far as I can. 586 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: Tell, Delightful Chaos. 587 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: Yes, I think the idea that you would take some 588 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: of this stuff and find a link between those things 589 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: is quite interesting, and so that feels like a reason 590 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: for the book to exist. I probably will buy the 591 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: book for somebody for the holidays. 592 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: I would be very kind of you. I appreciate that. 593 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: Might maybe Zelda can Zelda read the book? Is it 594 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: going to be full of swear words? Are there gonna 595 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: be a lot of It's gonna be a lot of 596 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: nasty stuff in there. 597 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: There's a goodly amount of nasty stuff. Yeah. Yeah, parental 598 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: discretion is advised. Unfortunately, that was I didn't think. I 599 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: didn't think that through. You didn't. 600 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: You didn't consider that nine year olds might want to 601 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: read the book. 602 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: What I will do for you and for her is 603 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: I will take a copy here, and I will just 604 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: mark out every objectionable phrase, you know, and I'll mail 605 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: that on to her. Just redact. 606 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna personally redact in. 607 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: My own book exactly what I'm gonna do. 608 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I assume you'll offer that as 609 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: a service to anybody who needs a clean version. 610 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: Totally. 611 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: You should do the explicit language version and then the 612 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: clean version, which would be I think very reflective of 613 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the parental advisory, you know. Label The show has a 614 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: voracious sort of appetite for all of the songs in 615 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: the nineties, Like I feel like it doesn't restrain itself 616 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: to like a genre, right, And that's great, But like 617 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: when you were living through the nineties, were you more 618 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: restrained to a genre, were you more focused on one track? 619 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: I'd like to say that I was omnivorous in that way. 620 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: But I think I try to own up to being 621 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: like an alt rock and teenager, right right, Like, I 622 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: don't think there's any question or any point in denying that. 623 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: Like my foundation, you know, my top five bands when 624 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: I was seventeen years old, most likely Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, 625 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead. They might be giants, you know, 626 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: and so like that's that's a fairly narrow band of experience. 627 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: So I do think I start from a foundation of 628 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: alternative rock. And so when you're talking about Achy Breaky 629 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: Hearts for example, or Selena, you know, are like, I 630 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: don't have the personal like I've listened to this record 631 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: six hundred times in my bedroom sort of experience. And 632 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: I try to be honest about that. But I do 633 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: think that like in terms of pop radio, you know, 634 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: in terms of just driving around listening to pop radio, 635 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: like listening watching MTV constantly, you know, like hanging out 636 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: with my friends, you know, and whatever they were into. 637 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: I think that I got, you know, that's helped fill 638 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: into the gaps to some degree, right, you know, I 639 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: can talk about rap music, pop music, country music, you know, 640 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: with some degree of personal experience, but it's not quite 641 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: the same. Like this is my soul, you know, made 642 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: manifest in arts, you know, the way that the alternative 643 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: rock of the nineties was, And I just I try 644 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: to be honest about that, you know, And I try 645 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: to be honest about, you know, the places where I am, 646 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: perhaps for the first time, doing the deep dive that 647 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: I didn't do when I was fifteen, and I certainly 648 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: respect you know, like Tori Amos for example, right, Like 649 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: she's someone who I always love hearing her on the radio, 650 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: always really wanted to go see her play. You know, 651 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: I regret not seeing her live in the nineties, but 652 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: I wasn't like a super fan of hers, you know. 653 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: And then like two years ago, I wake up and 654 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: suddenly I want to listen to Tori Amos for a week, 655 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: you know, to the exclusion. And I do, and I 656 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: understand that that's to listen to her that deeply for 657 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: the first time as a forty year old man is 658 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: a very different experience, right than as a sixteen year 659 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: old girl especially, and so I just try to be 660 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: honest about that, you know, when I'm coming when with 661 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: a lot of personal baggage and when I'm not necessarily. 662 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Right well, but also I mean the nineties by by 663 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: the very function of how you could discover and purchase 664 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: and enjoy music. I mean, I think your show has 665 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: an omnivorous you know, bent to it in the sense that, 666 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: like we're talking about it's not just focused on like 667 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the alt rock shit that you liked 668 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: when you were a teenager or whatever, but partially, you know, 669 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: it's it's even possible to have a thing like that 670 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: because we now live in an era where the barrier 671 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: to all art or all music, let's just say, is 672 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: non existent. Like we lived in a time when and 673 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: tell me, if this was an experience that you share, 674 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: it must have been where you might have heard a 675 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: song or somebody played you something and you're like, that's cool, 676 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: what is that? And they're like, oh, it's this band, 677 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: and you were like, I want to hear more of it. 678 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: So you had to go to like a record store, 679 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: and I mean you could go to one in the 680 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: mall obviously, and find that band's album a lot, right, Like, Like, 681 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I saw the movie Killer Clowns from Outer Space. I'm 682 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: not sure if you're familiar with it. 683 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: HBO, My friend, I've watched that movie on HbA and 684 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: it's a bad movie. 685 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: It has a song by the Dickies in it. I'm 686 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: not sure if you're familiar with the song. It's the 687 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: song is called Killer Clowns from Outer Space. Do you 688 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: know the Do you know the tune? Yeah? 689 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of Dickies. That's that's the Dickies. 690 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: That's the Dickies. Wow. So the thing is I had 691 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: never fucking heard of the Dickies. Yeah, And I was like, ooh, 692 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Like I like the song because I'm like thirteen and 693 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: dumb or whatever, and it's it's the song is literally 694 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: about the movie about Killer Clowns from Outer Space. I 695 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: like it. By the way, I love a song that's 696 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: about a movie. It doesn't happen that often, especially not anymore. 697 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: But like when somebody's written a song for like what's 698 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: happening in the movie, I think is a really special 699 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: and amazing thing or about what has happened in the movie, 700 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: which I think is incredible, Like like what is the 701 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown song from Ghostbusters too, which. 702 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, I love that song. 703 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: It's so good, like he he but he raps. 704 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: People, Yeah, yeah. 705 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: Like you don't. You don't hear a lot of raps 706 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: about Vigo in recent in a recent era of music. 707 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: It is a drag. But but I was like, so 708 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: I like it was like, Oh, the Dickeys, they're interesting. 709 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: I think I actually ordered like an EP that that 710 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: song was on at like something like a a Sam 711 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: Goodie or whatever, and I waited for it to come 712 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: in and then I was like and then I like, 713 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: then I heard some other Dickeys, So I had never 714 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: heard of the Dickies before. But the but the other 715 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: version was that you know, you would go to a 716 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: place that was and I don't know if you had 717 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: this experience. I think you got must have, and you 718 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: probably talked about it and I'm just misremembering or not remembering, 719 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: but you know, you go to like one of these 720 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: stories that sold like really good ship, where like there 721 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: were a bunch of record or working there, and he 722 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: was like an incredibly intimidating experience if you like went 723 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: in and you're like you had heard of Slint or 724 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: something and you're like wanted to find out more about them, 725 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: and you know, you had to confront some guy who 726 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: thought you were a shithead, who didn't even want to 727 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: tell you because that's his thing and not yours. You know, 728 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: so our barrier was very high. So it's like sort 729 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: of understandable. I'm working my way back to the question, 730 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: which is which is I guess to my point about 731 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: the question about the show being omnivorous, but you maybe 732 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: not beginning in your sort of musical life like that, 733 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: but it was much harder, Like it was not a 734 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: thing right in the nineties that you would be. It 735 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: was very rare for a person to be have access 736 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: to and understand like a wide variety of music. Does 737 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: that seem like a fair assessment or am I just 738 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: is that just people from Pittsburgh. 739 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 2: No, that's just Pittsburgh's very Pittsburgh specifically. Absolutely, I agree 740 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: with you, because the thing is like, Okay, so I 741 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 2: hear Undone the Sweater song by Weezer on the radio, 742 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: and I try and tape that song off the radio 743 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: and take I had just sitting there listening to the 744 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: radio with my hand hovering over the record button, like 745 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 2: you're reported onto a blank tape. But to own that song, 746 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: I got to buy the Weezer record for twenty dollars 747 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 2: and what if it's bad? Right, Like this is the 748 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: eternal conundrum. And I try and limit the number of 749 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: times that I do this rant on the show, but 750 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: I have done this rant on the show five to 751 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 2: seven times, probably over the course of one hundred plus episodes. 752 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: Now where it's like you go, as you say to 753 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: good Sam Goodie or Camelot Music, and you have this 754 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 2: wall of CDs and you have twenty dollars in your 755 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: pocket and you have to pick one, right, you have 756 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: to pick one, and it has to be good. And 757 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: you're gonna listen to that record two hundred times because 758 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 2: you are going to extract the value from it. You're 759 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 2: gonna get your money's worth, right, And it's like, do 760 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: I risk it on cakes, fashion Nuggets? Do I risk 761 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: it like Teenage Fan Club's Bandwagon ass? Do I risk 762 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 2: it on Pablo Honey? 763 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: Right? 764 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: Right? Because I really like Creep And so it's extremely limiting, 765 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: Like I. 766 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: Know, it's nuts to think about that. It's like like 767 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: like I remember I heard like an inspiral carpet song 768 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: on one hundred and twenty minutes, and I was like, 769 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: this is cool. And then like, you know, I think 770 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: I kind of almost remember this experience of going to 771 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: the record store and looking at the record and going like, 772 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, it was probably a CD at this time, 773 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: but still they were like twenty bucks or something. They 774 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: weren't cheat, you know, they weren't And I was like, 775 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, like what's on here? And often like 776 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: you'd buy some shit, you'd buy a record and it 777 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: would suck right. All the rest of the songs would 778 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: just blow, like you had one song and twelve others 779 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: that were completely not interesting at all to you. But 780 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: jumping off of the thing that I was asking about, 781 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: like about the show being omnivorous, but you maybe not, 782 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: like those episodes that you're doing that are not about 783 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: something that you kind of grew up with. I mean 784 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: you already said right like you don't obviously you can't 785 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: tell the story around it the same way because it's 786 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: a different story for you. But are there other people 787 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: when you're writing those episodes that you're collaborating with? I mean, 788 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: are you are you talking to other people about that 789 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: moment for that particular genre or that artist or whatever, 790 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: or is it just you just researching and kind of 791 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: putting it into into into a narrative. 792 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to read as widely as I can. 793 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 2: You know. Every episode starts, you know, with my endless monologue, 794 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: and then I talked to a guest, right right, and 795 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: we just have a you know, like a twenty minute conversation. 796 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: And the idea there is that the guest has a 797 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: completely different perspective, you know, if it's not something that 798 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 2: I grew up, you know, with a mind meld and 799 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 2: a smashing pumpkin sense, like I try and talk to 800 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 2: someone who did right right, you know, and just and 801 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: and so in that sense, I try and talk to 802 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: somebody with a more personal connection to whatever I'm talking about. 803 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: But if it's something like say like low stell real 804 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: like the Mocherina, right, like the Macharena is something I 805 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 2: know as like a cultural force or like a scourge 806 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, but I can't say that I'm 807 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: familiar with like where the Mockerena came from, and like 808 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 2: the scene that it grew out of, and like what 809 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: those guys were doing before the mocharina blew up et cetera, 810 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: et cetera. So I'm reading books, right, and I'm just 811 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: going back and reading articles from that time, and it's 812 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: more of a research thing, I guess, and then I 813 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 2: just try and bring in, you know, like I have 814 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: plenty of experience like a junior high dances, you know, 815 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: like watching people do the macarena and like having this 816 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 2: mixture of like, I hate this song. I wish I 817 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: was out there having fun dancing to this song, like 818 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 2: that very complex, right, series of emotions that you have 819 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 2: interested and you're in an eighth grade after school junior 820 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: high dance. But yeah, I just it's not necessarily that 821 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 2: I talk to somebody to sort of manufacture that personal connection. 822 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 2: But like the show hopefully does involve me interviewing somebody 823 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 2: after I've done my bit about their more personal story 824 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 2: relating to the song. 825 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Your audience must be made up of 826 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: people like our age, right, I mean there must be 827 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of sorry, it's not all it's not sorry, 828 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: it's not all people our age. But I'm just like 829 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, you know, I mean, the appetite 830 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: for nostalgia is high, and I feel like there's something 831 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: about this this era and maybe this is just the 832 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: gen X guy. I'm just like it seemed really important, 833 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: and like maybe every decade seems really important. But when 834 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: I listened to the show, I'm like, oh, yeah, because 835 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times you're talking about politics or you're 836 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: talking about culture, you know, outside of music or societal 837 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: things that we're shifting. And do the nineties actually stand 838 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: out as a outsized moment in cultural sort of history 839 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: or is that just because I'm old now and I 840 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: lived through it. 841 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 2: I do think that both things can be true. I 842 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 2: think it is absolutely true that the music that you 843 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 2: loved when you were a teenager is the greatest music 844 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 2: you'll ever hear. I do think the emotional connection that 845 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: you form with that music it's it's it's the music 846 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 2: you love the most. It's the most important music to you, 847 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 2: you know. And so in that sense, it is sort 848 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: of a gen X thing, right, Like we think the 849 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 2: nineties are the best because we were teenagers in the 850 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 2: nineties and that's the end of it, you know. And 851 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 2: like if you were a teenager in the sixties, if 852 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 2: you were a teenager in the twenty tens, then that's 853 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 2: the most important music to you. And everything else sucks, 854 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 2: Like everything else is just old or it's new fangled 855 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 2: and it's not as good. I do think that the nineties. 856 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: You know, when we started this show, we were just like, 857 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 2: let's do a show that's like songs. Every episode is 858 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 2: about a song, you know, like what is a framing 859 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 2: that works here? And the nineties jumped out immediately, Like 860 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 2: I guess my standard stick is like it's far enough 861 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: that it's the past, but it's recent enough that it's 862 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 2: still imprinting on the present, you know, like you can 863 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 2: still hear, see, feel a lot of nineties energy, you know, 864 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 2: in the culture being made today, Like it's it's present 865 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 2: tense enough, right, but it also feels like a distinct 866 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 2: period of time to possibly a greater degree than the 867 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 2: aughts do. Like that's the way it feels for me. 868 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 2: And I try and filter out again the fact that 869 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: I was a teenager, Like I try it and acknowledge that, 870 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: like the nineties are always going to be the ultimate 871 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: for me. But is there something about this decade? Is 872 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: there something about the pre internets, the immediate pre Internet 873 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 2: of this decade that makes it distinct? Right? You know, 874 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 2: this is the last decade that will not be dominated 875 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 2: by the Internet the way you know, as you're saying 876 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: this whole thing, we're saying with the record stores and 877 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: buying one CD for twenty bucks, like this is the 878 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: end of the line for that shit, right right, And 879 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 2: that matters, And that makes the two thousands as a 880 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: block feel completely different from a musical perspective, because that's Mapster. 881 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: You can listen to everything and you can be omnivorous 882 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 2: on a budget now in a way that you just 883 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 2: couldn't in the nineties. So it's it's but I think 884 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 2: both things are true. I think there is an undeniable 885 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: bias that you and I both have for this decade. 886 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 2: And when we say, oh, it's the greatest day, like 887 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: music will never get better than this's like we're being 888 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 2: old men, undeniably. But I do think that there are 889 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 2: actual objective aspects of the nineties and where it falls 890 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 2: and the scope of human history that make it distinct 891 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 2: and make it like remarkable, as like a block of time, 892 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 2: you know, with qualities that were never repeated before or since. 893 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the framing of that is perfect. You're 894 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: very good at this. You should do this professionally. That's 895 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: my suggestion. You should do podcasting as a profession. I 896 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: think it could be very lucrative for you. I know, 897 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: it's funny you said, like, you know, we think that 898 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: like music in the nineties is the best music. I 899 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: don't know that. I actually mean this is not a 900 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: knock on anyone who does. I don't know that I do. 901 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: But I was a huge nerd in the nineties and 902 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: and my like music exposure was really weird, and I 903 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think like it was. It was definitely 904 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: a huge part of my life because part of it 905 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: was like me, I used to you know, make money 906 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 1: doing it and used to you know, that was like 907 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: a focal point of of many years of my life. 908 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: But I had things that were going on, like like 909 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: the Internet matter to me in the nineties more than 910 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: music did. Like I was a huge fucking nerd, and 911 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: where my attention was, folks, was like understanding what this 912 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: new thing was called the Internet, which like you know, 913 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: I was online fairly young, like before the internet was 914 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 1: even the Internet. But it's interesting because like this was, 915 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: like music for you is not a hobby, right, I mean, 916 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: you became a man who writes about music and now 917 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: has podcasts about music. It's like it's bigger than that 918 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: for you. 919 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 2: Nah, this was my life pretty immediately. I have to 920 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 2: say I was. I did dial up onto the internet, 921 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 2: you know, late in the nineties, but I was not 922 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 2: a man of the Internet in the nineties. No, it 923 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 2: was pretty evident to me by the time I was 924 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 2: in high school that I wanted to be a rock critic, right, 925 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 2: I wanted to write for Rolling Stone, you know. It 926 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: was clear to me that music was going to be 927 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: one of the most important things in my life from 928 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 2: when I was like six years old, right, you know, 929 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 2: from when I became ubsessed with MTV or whatever. And so, No, 930 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 2: I do think that I am printed with music in 931 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 2: a really intense and unnecessary way from the very beginning, 932 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 2: and it was sort of the prism through which I 933 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 2: saw and heard and felt everything. 934 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I mean, and I think that comes through 935 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: in the show, and I think that's what makes it 936 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: still compelling to listen to. I mean, but we should 937 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: say the show is at least going to one hundred 938 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: and twenty episodes, correct. 939 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll stop there. 940 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're sure you're going to stop a one 941 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty I'm I'm pretty sure like what if, 942 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: like you get to twenty and then you remember this 943 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: one song that was super important that you didn't get to. 944 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Robo Humpin' slow More, Babe, I gotta do that. Yeah, 945 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 2: it's just as a possibility. 946 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: It could it could happen. So looking through the list, 947 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: and I have thought about this, like there are songs 948 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: that aren't the obvious song or aren't the one that 949 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: you know which is good. But I think it like 950 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: opens up the question in my mind is like it 951 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: will there be that obvious one that that you feel like, 952 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: oh shit, why didn't I do you know X? I'm 953 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: thinking of like Pearl Jam, like not that the song 954 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: that you chose is not perfect. 955 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pearl Dam was one. Yeah, It's like I tried 956 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 2: to you know, I did Yellow Lead better, but I 957 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 2: tried to talk about what like Jeremy even Flow like Daughter, 958 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 2: Like I if I'm doing an episode on an artist 959 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 2: that has like a huge catalog, like I try and 960 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 2: get to everything that I can, and sometimes you know, 961 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 2: it's in the Nervada episode for example, like I thought 962 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 2: about doing Where did You Sleep Last Night? You know, 963 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 2: the unplugged version? Yeah, you know, but then in the 964 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 2: end it just felt obnoxious not to lead with smells 965 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: like Teen Spirit. 966 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: It'd be fucking crazy. Honestly, I thought, for sure, well 967 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,479 Speaker 1: when you when you didn't do it for so long, 968 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so this must be he's going 969 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: to end the series. 970 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 2: That's what I thought forever, right, Yes, that was the plan. 971 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: Okay, because it seemed obvious to me, like to do 972 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: it that way, like, and I'm like, that's why, because 973 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, he must have done smells like Teen Spirit 974 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: and it wasn't there, And you're like, okay, well that's weird. Yeah, yeah, No, 975 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think it would have been. I think 976 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: people would have been in rage, to be honest, maybe 977 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if people get it raged about your show, 978 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: but like you know, like they're on the internet, so 979 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: you're definitely going to get the uh you know. I think, like, yeah, 980 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: would have been bizarre at least to ignore smells like 981 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: Teen Spirit for you know, actually kind of is kind 982 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: of a record store guy move. When you think about it, 983 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: to do something like that, it's sort of like you're like, oh, 984 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: you get you like smells like teen Spirit. That's actually 985 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: not really their best song. 986 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 2: I've into their earlier stuff, you know, which is not 987 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 2: even nineties. But screw you guys. Yeah exactly, I mean Sliver, Yeah, 988 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 2: I mean you have the you have. 989 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: You definitely have the knowledge of a record store guy. 990 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think based on how much 991 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: you want to share the knowledge, you don't have the 992 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,720 Speaker 1: personality of a record store guy. So that's very important. 993 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 2: That's that's very kind of you to say. 994 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: On that nice moment. So sixty Songs That Explain the 995 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: Nineties comes out November fourteenth. 996 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 2: November fourteenth, and. 997 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: Rob, thank you for coming on. And uh, I would 998 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: love to have you back when you when you have 999 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: decided on your next decade, you're going to have to 1000 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: come back and explain. 1001 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,720 Speaker 2: I would love to come back. I would I would 1002 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 2: like to talk to Zelda again when I come back. 1003 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: Well, I could almost guarantee that will happen because she'll 1004 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,720 Speaker 1: be very excited to explore another another decade of music. 1005 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 2: You could book it. 1006 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: We'll do that, Rob, thanks so much. 1007 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 2: Thanks to. 1008 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: Well. That is our show for this week, and what 1009 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,479 Speaker 1: a show. I gotta say. I feel like I maybe 1010 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: he was a little bit of like a fanboy, maybe 1011 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: too much in parts of then not really sure, but uh, 1012 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's fine. I'm going to own it. I'm 1013 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: gonna own it. I'm gonna own my fan positioning that 1014 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: I may have stepped into during the show, and you know, 1015 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not ashamed. I think it's great to like 1016 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: something and I don't have any I don't have any 1017 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: qualms about owning it completely. Anyhow, that is our show 1018 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: this week. We'll be back next week with more of 1019 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: what future, and as always, I wish you and your 1020 00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: family the very best. Ye