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Speaker 1: Welcome. Beck. I am Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and this is our number two of the drive

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Speaker 1: here as we sit here on a Thursday, and Matt,

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Speaker 1: we've got games on Saturday. We've got games on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So let's put together a Monday too, and.

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Speaker 1: Then Monday game, and let's put together a little DFS

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Speaker 1: line up here for Saturdays, something to watch. So we

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Speaker 1: only have four teams to choose from here on DraftKings.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs, Dolphins, Texans, Brownie Browns. Yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: So looking here at the defenses, the Dolphins are twenty

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Speaker 1: eight hundred, the Chiefs are twenty nine hundred, the Texans

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Speaker 1: are three thousand, and the Browns are thirty three hundred.

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Speaker 1: One stands out there to me.

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Speaker 2: One screams to me, I think they're in the wrong order.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Chiefs were going to be too expensive.

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Speaker 2: Is that the one that jumps out to you too?

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Speaker 1: One jump out to me was the Texans.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I think Weather and all the injuries in my

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Speaker 2: Dolphins and Tua and Weather you convinced me of either.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Chiefs would be the mos.

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Speaker 1: I just think you know Flacco is going to throw

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Speaker 1: a few to the other team. They give up sacks,

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Speaker 1: they give up you know, play is heavy on the

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Speaker 1: The Browns are twenty seventh in terms of points allowed

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Speaker 1: against defense against defense, Yeah, they loued the twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: most points in the league with their with their offense

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Speaker 1: on the field.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well they would have been my second choice. I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't have problem playing the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a difference in money. If it's four

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Speaker 2: hundred bucks, all right, well let's throw the man. If

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Speaker 2: we need money, we'll put the Chiefs in. And if

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Speaker 2: we I was thinking the opposite. But whatever, we should

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Speaker 2: be able.

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Speaker 1: To find enough here. Yeah, yeah, Okay. At quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: got Mahomes. It is only seventy one hundred.

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Speaker 2: I almost feel like he's the only option.

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Speaker 1: Two is seven thousand. Stroud is sixty eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get the whole Browns on the road.

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Speaker 2: Defense is different, and that's very true, but it's still good.

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Speaker 1: Flacco is sixty one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Frightens me a little. I think Mahomes is the only option,

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Speaker 2: but I don't love their passing game. Actually don't like

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Speaker 2: any of these.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would just go cheap and go Flacco.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have to throw the football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he's had to share big plays

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Speaker 2: in a bad way and a good way. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: I will also say this, but Denzel Ward got hurt

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Speaker 1: today in practice for the Browns in practice, in practice,

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Speaker 1: it's a knee injury. I think Stroud will throw for

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Speaker 1: some yards against them.

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Speaker 2: He always does. Yeah, I mean, I'm convinced that he's very,

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Speaker 2: very good. Flacco's fine, but maybeill spend money elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's I mean, I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: get a floor of two point fifty in a touchdown

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Speaker 1: out of Flacco usually. Yeah, no running, but he might

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Speaker 1: throw three interceptions. He might fumble thrice.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Djoeku Cooper, those guys at.

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Speaker 1: Running back eight chan Is sixty eight hundred, Mostert who's questionable,

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Speaker 1: we know nothing. Yeah, but Checko is sixty four hundred,

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary fifty seven hundred, Jerome Ford fifty five hundred,

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Speaker 1: Edwards alaire is forty eight hundred, Kareem Hunt forty seven hundred,

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Speaker 1: Damian Pierce forty five hundred. I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: Down, Yeah, Browns have really gotten away from running the

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Speaker 2: ball with they have Singletary gets every touch. I mean,

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Speaker 2: his workload is massive.

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Speaker 1: I'll plug him in.

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Speaker 2: I think he's somebody in each play.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you plug a Chan in and hope for

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Speaker 1: a big play?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is what I was leaning towards two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even if most it's in there, is he

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Speaker 2: going to be compromised? I mean, a chan looks great.

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Speaker 2: He ran really well against the Bills, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know why they didn't give them the ball more. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I don't there's not made a pick.

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Speaker 1: For him right At wide receiver, Tyreek Hill is eighty

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Speaker 1: seven hundred. Revenge game, revenge game. Nico Collins seven thousand,

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper sixty eight hundred, Rashid Rice is six thousand,

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Speaker 1: looking at Cedric Tillman. He's out. He's out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we played a lot last week.

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Speaker 1: Robert Woods Is thirty six hundred, David Bell thirty five hundred,

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Speaker 1: James proche. Nobody's jumping out there as a cheap option that.

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Speaker 2: Now, I was hoping to be a third receiver that

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Speaker 2: you could get on the cheap Noah Brown if he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Elijah More will be the closest thing.

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Speaker 2: It's not horrible. But my vote for spending money guy

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Speaker 2: was Amari Cooper. Okay, and we have Flacco in right

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Speaker 2: I don't love Cooper, but they really have a CONDI they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, therews nothing. He has only has eyes for Cooper

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Speaker 2: Is there another guy that's jumping out at you, receiver.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 2: There's problem.

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Speaker 1: We can only average fifty four hundred the rest of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so do you I guess the chan was our

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Speaker 1: Was our big ticket there? Do we want to pivot

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Speaker 2: Maybe that wasn't super confident, but I didn't like any

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Speaker 1: If we pivot off of that, I mean, Pacheco's sixty

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Speaker 2: Where do we save.

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: I don't like the options in this this whole build.

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Speaker 1: I mean Kareem Hunt in week sixteen and seventeen against

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Speaker 1: Houston and the Jets, he gets seven to ten rushing attempts,

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Speaker 2: Did he? I think he is their short yardage guy.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, and he also catches a ball here there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if we're gonna spend money on something

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Speaker 1: Three of his last four games in which he's played,

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Speaker 1: he scored a touch.

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Speaker 2: He scored. Yeah, yeah, Okay, I don't want to have

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Speaker 2: too many Browns, but I don't either. I think for

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Speaker 1: Know, I don't know that we can also start Damian

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Speaker 2: Pierce is basically just a kick returner.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jeff Wilson doesn't doesn't do anything for mean.

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Speaker 2: I put Hunt in. Yeah, maybe give the least a

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Speaker 1: You want to go pu Checko. That saves us four

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Speaker 2: I mean Hunt would save us a lot more, right, Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Would save us like two thousand more.

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Speaker 2: I think Hunt. Okay, I'm not loving many of these options.

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Speaker 1: I'm not either. It's just tough, tough when you only

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Speaker 1: have four teams. Okay, so you don't look at tight

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Speaker 1: end or we've got we've got Cooper in there.

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Speaker 1: If we do that, now we can average fifty nine hundred.

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Speaker 1: So we could get say an Elijah Moore in a

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Speaker 1: Nego Collins or Elijah Moore and Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 2: but it sounds like he's out of our price range. Though.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if we can afford him, but we're

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Speaker 2: I don't mind Elijah Moore. I think that's a good

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Speaker 2: good way to save some money.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're heavy on the Browns though, I know, really

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Speaker 1: heavy on the brown I was leaning towards the Joku too.

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Speaker 1: If we went Tyreek Hill, that would give us fifty

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Speaker 1: Joko's flex no tight end tight end flex and Joku

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Speaker 1: is fifty six hundred. Dalton Schultz is forty four hundred.

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Speaker 2: That would say we could now they're they're.

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Speaker 1: Number one against opposing tight ends.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Kelsey have four defensive pick for him.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's sixty one hundred. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Joko's fifty six, Schultz is forty four. And

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Speaker 1: then who cares about the Miami Titans.

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Speaker 2: think that comes down in the Jokho Schultz.

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Speaker 1: I mean he could try.

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Speaker 2: like Jordan Atkins, Aikins or what you going to back

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Speaker 1: He plays for Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who was there fill Ins when Schultz was

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Speaker 2: He's looking at the Jordan Jordan mixed up.

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Speaker 1: But I don't love that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't love any of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you plug in Joku and hopefully we

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Speaker 1: have enough money to pay up and get out of Flacco.

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Speaker 2: The Joku I mean, in a vacuum. If you said

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Speaker 2: which the best play, that's the best play. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not married to our other Browns, I'm not either, because

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Speaker 2: here here are our flex options with that lineup.

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Speaker 1: Jerome Ford, Noah Brown, Clyde, Edwards Hilaire, Damian Pierce, Pierre Strong,

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Speaker 2: One quick favor, give me the last two or three

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Speaker 2: games of Edward Hilaire. I don't think he's good. But

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Speaker 2: is McKinnon healthy.

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Speaker 1: He's not, so I'm not gonna I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: count the eighteen game. Yeah, I assume he rested some

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Speaker 2: And that's the one I was thinking. I knew he

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Speaker 2: had some kind of workload.

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Speaker 1: Against Buffalo eleven for thirty nine and also had two

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Speaker 1: catches for twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Is he the third down back at least?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know, not really what their checko does.

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Speaker 2: I don't like any of that.

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Speaker 1: This is ugly.

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Speaker 2: It's really rough.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking here at some of these lower options.

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Speaker 1: I mean, justin Watson at thirty four hundred, it's.

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Speaker 2: Worth a roll of dice.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: He plays and maybe he hits a home run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean he is zero. He could eat

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Speaker 1: im again, not going to count the week eighteen game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: targets against Cincinnati, caught one for four forty one. He

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Speaker 1: had or six targets against Las Vegas. He caught six

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Speaker 1: Think we buy up there and go get Stroud. That's

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Speaker 1: With Mahomes, Singletary, Kareem Hunt, Amari Cooper, Elijah Moore, Tyreek Kill,

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Speaker 2: What if we got out of Elijah Moore? I could

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Speaker 2: I say, do we think that's noticeably better?

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Speaker 1: It's close, or you could get Rashi Rice and stack him.

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Speaker 1: Then we have eleven hundred?

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Speaker 2: Where can that get Watson or Hunt?

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Speaker 2: Ford's better than Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that then we have three hundred dollars left over.

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Speaker 2: Still a lot of Browns.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of Browns.

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Speaker 2: But that game, at least Weather's not a problem. We

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Speaker 1: They did score thirty eight against him the first.

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Speaker 2: Time yeah, I don't think they row.

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Speaker 2: But no, boy, I don't like any puzzle pieces here.

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Speaker 2: But everyone's dealing with the same nonsense. Yeah, which one

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we got Mahomes at seventy one hundred, Singletary

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Speaker 2: I think that's by as good as we can get.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we got something from every team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got maybe the two best plays players of

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty comfortable having those two. I like the defense,

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Speaker 2: I like the tight end. I'm ali strong. Our two

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Speaker 1: We don't have any of the Chiefs pass catchers though.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather have Rice or Cooper? I think I'd

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Speaker 1: I think gotta rather have Cooper too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. With Flacco, I mean there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: Lock it in, Lock it in, Lock it in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we have Patrick Mahomes at seventy.

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Speaker 2: One hundred, I'm confident about that.

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary at fifty seven hundred, Jerome Ford at fifty

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Speaker 2: I buried the lead there, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: David and Joku at fifty six hundred, Justin Watson at

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Speaker 2: I like to finished product better than the process, and

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's only five hundred dollars more than the Joku. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of what he deserves at this point. Then

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Speaker 1: Now, Dalton Schultz. If we paid Dalton Schultz would get

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Speaker 2: I'm having a pass catcher from that group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that gets us up to that would get us

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Speaker 1: in this flex. Edwards Hilaire Kareem Hunt, Damian Pierce, Pierre Strong.

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Speaker 2: And I don't like that neighborhood. We've never time we

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Speaker 2: go there, we are I've got to roll the dice

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Speaker 2: on a Watson.

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Speaker 1: Seven hundred dollars short of getting them the Jokus as

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't be bad. Well, what if we put him

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Speaker 1: That might do it.

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Speaker 1: So let's see here, we drop Hunt and we.

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Speaker 2: Go to Ford all the way around.

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Speaker 2: Nice, we've been left in the bag.

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Speaker 1: We have one hundred dollars. Yeah, I think that's good,

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Speaker 1: all right, so us Mahomes at seventy one hundred, Singletary

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Speaker 2: That's the best build.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thing, bingo, bingo, that's good and it is.

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Speaker 2: I think Elijah More catch five passes for sixty yards

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch Justin Watson go catch.

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Speaker 2: He catches Obama two long touchdowns. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that we have Mahomes, We have Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: We ever butts covered a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not a bad build there. In terms of the injuries,

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Speaker 2: Brown things, kind of big. Dolphins have a lot.

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Speaker 1: Dolphins are all kinds of better.

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Speaker 2: Than most are, you know, Fantasy relevant. I think one

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Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins are basically going to be starting

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Speaker 2: Seasons Ingram and Jones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamir Jones and Melvin Ingram.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think Ingram joined them till recently.

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Speaker 2: Phillips and Chubb are a really good pairing. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and Ben Ginkle's just a good football player. The Chiefs

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Speaker 2: tackles are bad, and like that's one of their biggest

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Speaker 1: The Dolphins are't gonna be able to take it exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the team you want to have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go figure.

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Speaker 2: I think Miami's in for a long day And I

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Speaker 2: just don't think of Weather in them translating together.

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Speaker 1: At all too. Asked about that today and he was

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Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, well, I've never really played

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Speaker 2: I mean, they grew up in Hawaii, played at Alabama,

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Speaker 2: Bama and the Dolphins. You know, you better learn because

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Speaker 2: the Jets and Patriots and Buffalo and your division, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have late December games in their buildings and if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be in AFC playoffs, so you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that would worry me. That's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for the Fantasy Football Focus. Hopefully we'll we'll win with

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Speaker 1: that will include some of those players potentially, But that's

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Speaker 2: Break day Monday one, or you do all the above tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: we picked thetuff.

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Speaker 1: That's still better than what we're just dealt with there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe we should have done that one as

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Speaker 2: Interesting could have been fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we put our lineup together. It's there. Our team

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Speaker 1: He as Matt Williamson. I am Dale La. You're listening

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Speaker 1: back with more right after this. Welcome back. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lalli. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt just

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Speaker 1: looking here at some different stuff. So one of the

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and I'm looking at.

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Speaker 1: That here for the final rankings here for the season.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the adjusted line yards for

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six yards or whatever it was.

444
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Speaker 1: We're after after first contact, right right, right, But this

445
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Speaker 1: takes into a on everything here.

446
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: No, no, they're much more in depth, right yeah.

447
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Speaker 1: So the number one team in adjusted lineyards was the

448
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Speaker 1: Detroit lines at four point seven seven.

449
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 2: Yards, not surprising. They're the only other backfield that has

450
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Speaker 2: two backs with over one thousand combined yardage.

451
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Speaker 1: San Francisco is second at also not surprising, four point

452
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Speaker 1: seven six. Then you have Buffalo at four point seven four.

453
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Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think they'd be that high.

454
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Speaker 1: Miami at four point six seven, the Rams at four

455
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: point five to five, Baltimore at four point three three

456
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Speaker 1: or four point four to three, the Saints at four

457
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Speaker 1: point three nine, Green Bay at four point three seven,

458
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Speaker 1: Washington at four point three to three, and then the

459
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Speaker 1: Steelers at four point twenty nine.

460
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Speaker 2: Where this gets interesting run game, by the way, this

461
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Speaker 2: is just run gay. Yeah.

462
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Speaker 1: Where this gets interesting is when you look at the

463
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Speaker 1: running back yards rankings. Okay, okay, So the breakdown those

464
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Speaker 1: rankings is that also this is DVOA. So the number

465
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Speaker 1: one team in terms of running backyards was Miami.

466
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Speaker 2: That adds up. They have the long ones.

467
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Speaker 1: The line yards was four point sixty seven, the running

468
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Speaker 1: backyards is five point four to eight.

469
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Speaker 2: Okay, so when they get free, forget about it. Yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: I mean there's the speed.

471
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Speaker 1: San Francisco second there were four point seven six in

472
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Speaker 1: adjusted line yards four point nine to six in running backyards.

473
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Speaker 2: Again, McCaffrey's a big play weapon. These guys are home

474
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Speaker 2: run threats.

475
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Speaker 1: Detroit was four point seven to seven in line yards

476
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Speaker 1: and four point seventy nine in running backyards. Pretty close.

477
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Speaker 2: Also not super surprising though with Gibbs, I mean these

478
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: are some speedsters.

479
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gibbs and Montgomery are two decidedly different.

480
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: Kinds back exactly. Yeah, Arizona Connors had some long runs which.

481
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Speaker 1: Was seventeenth and adjusted lineyards their fourth and running backyards.

482
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Speaker 2: In an underrated year, especially at the end.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, four point one to nine adjusted line yards, four

484
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: point seven to six in running backyard.

485
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: Huh.

486
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Speaker 1: Then you had Baltimore at four point four to three

487
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Speaker 1: in uh in lineyards and four point six to six

488
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Speaker 1: in running backyards.

489
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Speaker 2: So that doesn't count for Lamar and it won't count

490
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Speaker 2: for Josh Allen.

491
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Speaker 1: Six were the Steelers.

492
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Speaker 2: Mitchell had a lot to do with that, Yeah, because

493
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Speaker 2: they mean in terms of long runs.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, six were the Steelers.

495
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

496
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Speaker 1: So the lineyards are four point twenty nine, the running

497
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Speaker 1: backyards four point five.

498
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Speaker 2: Ozho interesting because in terms of percentage of runs that

499
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Speaker 2: go for fifteen or more yards, but they how they

500
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Speaker 2: label explosives. Warren's like second or third in the league

501
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: and Nausey's like ninth or ten.

502
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Steelers are fourth in the league in second

503
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Speaker 1: level yards per run.

504
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I never heard it broken down that way, but

505
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: that's probably where they excel. Like Nause's not gonna get

506
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Speaker 2: your third level runs, but he got.

507
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Speaker 1: He gets to the second level, yeah a lot.

508
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: This year and then capitalized on that. Yeah you don't

509
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Speaker 2: see him in the open field just running away from

510
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Speaker 2: people like Tyreek Hill.

511
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Right, but he's gonna get your gets you fifteen to

512
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: twenty and then yeah, you know that.

513
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: Was a huge problem last year and they're way better

514
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Speaker 2: at that this year. And I mean everyone deserves blame,

515
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: I mean opening or you know, credit opening those holes

516
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: getting the second level. But Harris I think had his

517
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Speaker 2: best year.

518
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Then you had to Philadelphia

519
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: and then at eighth in running backyards. Remember their line

520
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: was four point seventy four in terms of adjusted line yards,

521
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: but four point four to three in running backyards, So

522
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: they were actually in Buffalo. Yeah they were in a

523
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: negative part of that.

524
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were there.

525
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: Their running game is better when Alan carries the football

526
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: than it is when they're running backs carrier.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were like second or third in the

528
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: first they were third.

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, their eighth in running backyards because they just

530
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Speaker 1: don't Yeah, And I don't again, I come back. I

531
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Speaker 1: look at James cook and I don't know that he's

532
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Speaker 1: going to be the kind of runner who excels in

533
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: running in the snow.

534
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Speaker 2: I don't either. He's a Florida State dude. He's a

535
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: little undersized, he's more he's one of the best receiving

536
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: backs in that league. I mean, there's just no way

537
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: around that, because they'll do things like line them up

538
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: in the slot, put them out wide, sort of run

539
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: some receiver routes to some degree for a young guy.

540
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: But I wanted to look because his workload has been

541
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: sort of trying to find where that is. But he

542
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: was getting the ball a ton, and then they really

543
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: slowed down these last couple of games because they keep

544
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: giving it to Allen.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

546
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: I mean when they need it bad Florida Wagos.

547
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, Cooks had some fumbling issues too, and some

548
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: of that played into him not getting the ball quite

549
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: as much. I think again a game against Dallas, did

550
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 1: he fumble once or twice in that game, and then

551
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: he was out of there for a while.

552
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of.

553
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: Those games down with him.

554
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: I mean Alan has twenty seven rushing attempts to the

555
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: last two games. Yeah, I mean he's getting the ball

556
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Speaker 2: a lot.

557
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: Basically half as many as Harris has said. Harris has

558
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: had twenty six and twenty seven the last two weeks.

559
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean those guys are getting the ball an

560
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: awful lot. But they did cut down Cook's workload a

561
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: little bit, and I would worry a little bit about

562
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: him just being a bell cow, you know. Like they

563
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: also made a coordinator switch mid to late in the

564
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: season and they started featuring him like crazy. Oh here

565
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: it is, okay. So he averaged one hundred and thirty

566
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: six point eight scrimmage yards per game between weeks ten

567
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: that's when they made the coordinator switch, right and weeks fifteen.

568
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: So that's ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen. That's six

569
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: games in a row that I'm sure a lot of

570
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: people that play fantasy remember, like this guy's racking up

571
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five to one hundred and forty

572
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: scrimmage yards per game. But in sixteen seventeen eighteen. It's

573
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: just over fifty five. I mean, it's drastically cut down.

574
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Speaker 2: Part of it is because Allen, but part of it's

575
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: because I don't think he's a bell cow. I think

576
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: he's a a good weapon, but you don't want him

577
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: touching the ball a bazillion times. He's just a style

578
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: And is he a mutter? I bet not.

579
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: It was the game against the Chargers that he had

580
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: two fumbles. He also fumbled twice in the lost of Denver.

581
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: So he's when he fumbles, he fought like both times

582
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: this year when he's fumbled, He's fumbled twice in the

583
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: same game.

584
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure that that's going to be part of

585
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: the scattering report on you know, the linebackers and safeties.

586
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: Are going to be looking you go hunting for the ball.

587
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, I want to do a quick search on

588
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: really nerd out here. But it was James Cook, right, Yeah.

589
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: I just wanted to see his hands eye. I mean,

590
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: I believe that is an issue when the weather really hits,

591
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: to be honest, and I'm not sure if it'll be

592
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: in this profile or not. They got pop ups all

593
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: over the place. It is not here, sorry, but I

594
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: remember him having smallish hands, he's not a huge overpower.

595
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 2: He's not a big guy yet, right, and it's it's

596
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: one more thing to notice. I mean, Allen's obviously the

597
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: opposite for his position.

598
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: If you look at adjusted sack rate, we know I

599
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: mean the Bills came into the Bills have allowed what

600
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the fewest sacks in the league this year.

601
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: Yes, but Allen is the best quarterback in the league,

602
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: which should prize nobody in not allowing pressures to turn

603
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: into sacks. So I don't think they're necessarily a good

604
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: pass blocking team, and I think that's why they use

605
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: a six offensive lineman a fair amount for several reasons.

606
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Well, and their tight ends don't block.

607
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: And Cook is a great blocker either, like their peripheral

608
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: dudes aren't great. We did a video today it's kind

609
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: of highlighting that the right side of their O line,

610
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: it's much better run blockers than pass blockers as well.

611
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: But it's hard to get him on the ground. So

612
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: their sack numbers are crazy. I mean they're plus thirty

613
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: in sack differential.

614
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and you could have him behind the line

615
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and then he falls forward, Yeah, rushing one

616
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: yard rushing at him.

617
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've used the Ben comparisons a lot this week,

618
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: but it's similar. I mean, Terrell Suggs is there and

619
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: he shrugs them off and scrambles for two where it

620
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: should have been a minus eight. Yeah, I mean that

621
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: kind of stuff absolutely applies to Allen will Be less

622
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: so from the snow. I don't know, but I mean

623
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: getting him on the ground is a chore, but it's

624
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: something you have to do in this game.

625
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: So they're number one in sacks allowed. They're also number

626
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: one in adjusted sack rate at four point five percent.

627
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: Okay, and they've also been running the ball time lately,

628
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: so that's one of the reasons why their sacks are down.

629
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Kansas City was second, Miami third, surprisingly enough, No it.

630
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: Ball comes out too quick, Yeah it does. Ye mean

631
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: his time upon time to throw is unbelievably short.

632
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: Detroit was fourth.

633
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: That makes sense, they have a great line.

634
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: Green Bay fifth.

635
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: They really overachieved on offense. Yeah, you have the Rams sixth, Okay,

636
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: I can buy that.

637
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was seventh.

638
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Really, that one shocks me. Their line is problematic.

639
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: They give up forty one sacks, but their adjusted sackarate

640
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: with six point three percent.

641
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: So okay.

642
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Then you have the Chargers. They give up forty three sacks,

643
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: but they're adjusted rate. This is his six point four percent.

644
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: The Saints were ninth and the Steelers. What's happen?

645
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Steelers are pretty soon here.

646
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Steelers were tenth. They gave up thirty six sacks this year.

647
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: Not many when Mason Rudolph's quarterback.

648
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Though, good point the Steelers thirty six sacks allowed. Not

649
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: with the adjusted stuff. I think it's like top eight

650
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: or so.

651
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was, it's near. The overall was

652
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean Giants gave up eighty five sacks.

653
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: Five eighty five sacks.

654
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about that. Looking at it straight up.

655
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Buffalo gives eighty five.

656
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo was number one of twenty four, Casey twenty eight,

657
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Green Bay thirty, Detroit thirty one, Miami thirty one, San

658
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Francisco thirty four, the Rams thirty four, the Saints thirty five,

659
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: and the Steelers thirty six.

660
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good company to be keeping. I wonder

661
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: if you broke it down by quarterback, I mean, Picket

662
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: ran into too many. Yeah, early in the career, Duck

663
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: in his head. I don't think Trubisky's great in the pocket.

664
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Speaker 2: But's your point. I think Rudolph's been the best of it. Yeah.

665
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Speaker 1: I think in the three games he's played that he's

666
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Speaker 1: been sacked four times the three starts.

667
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can live with that. And he threw the

668
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: ball fair amount in the first two.

669
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Speaker 1: And now what he can't do is is fumble like

670
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Speaker 1: he did in Baltimore. But some of that was the weather.

671
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean one of my biggest criticisms of

672
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Speaker 2: Rudolph's early in his career not throwing this stint, is

673
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Speaker 2: he'll hold it. Yeah, you know, I mean he could

674
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: be a little robotic. He can hold it. Looks like

675
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: he's gotten better at that, but needs to continue to

676
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Speaker 2: keep that track.

677
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: He will stand in there though and tell oh, he's

678
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: not afraid to take the hit.

679
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: No, he holds it the last minute, and I think

680
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: that goes a long way. Doesn't shock me. We talked

681
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: about this a lot, like yards after catch and sacks

682
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: to me are as much quarterback stats as they are

683
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: receivers or blocking. Alan and Mahomes being the top of

684
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Speaker 2: the list doesn't surprise me because I don't even think

685
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: their lines are all that great. No, I mean, especially

686
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: the Chiefs tackles are not great, but allowing it's hard,

687
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: still hard to get him.

688
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: On the Ground's hard to get him on the ground.

689
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: He moves so well in the pocket and then the

690
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: next thing you know, he's out running.

691
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sees things behind the you know, blindside, he can't

692
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: he feels them coming and knows when to scramble. And

693
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: those guys are just exceptional.

694
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Speaker 1: Did his reputation take a little bit of a hit

695
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Speaker 1: this year?

696
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Speaker 2: Mahomes? Yeah, yes, I mean you know where to go

697
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: but down. But yes, I mean maybe he's not perfect.

698
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is.

699
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if they win the Super Bowl? You know,

700
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Speaker 2: I don't think they will.

701
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Speaker 1: I just think some of the we saw a little

702
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: bit of the of bad Mahomes come out this year. Frustrated,

703
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: frustrated and whining, maybe immature, babyish too. Yeah, everything went

704
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: so well for you the first, you know, four or

705
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: five years in the league that all of a sudden,

706
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: now things aren't and you you know.

707
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: It's a first turning deal with in his life. Yeah,

708
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean since he's been in the league, really, I

709
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: mean not that he's been gifted anything, he's earned it all.

710
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: But he's had a pretty nice path I mean it's

711
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: never even played the postseason game on the road. Yeah,

712
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, like I would say, a bad year for

713
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: the Mahomes led Chiefs is losing the AFC Championship at home,

714
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: Like that's a dreadful year in his career.

715
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Well, you can bet then that Chiefs fans are Steeler

716
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: fans this weekend, absolutely, because if the Chiefs wine and

717
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: the Steelers win, Chiefs aren't going on the road right

718
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: until they have to go to the AFC Championship and

719
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: then they'd beat Steeler fans again.

720
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: They'd still be hume, they still be hum right. Yeah,

721
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: they went someone to knock off Baltimore. Yeah in Buffalo. Yeah,

722
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: they have success against Buffalo, But I don't think you

723
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: want to go there, No, never said so.

724
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an interesting dynamic this year. The Steelers

725
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: offensive line probably played better than a lot of people think.

726
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: I think so all in all, Yeah, I mean it

727
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: was a perfect no. But I think you've got a

728
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: potential star in Jones. I think the guards are really

729
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: really good. We'll see about the rest of it how

730
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: it shakes out in the off season, but I think

731
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: they'll at least be one new starter probably probably center,

732
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: in my opinion, but that's not the hardest thing to accomplish,

733
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: and I thought it was probably better than we would

734
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: have guessed. I mean again, I like to go back

735
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: to our training camp conversations. Would you have taken the

736
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Steelers line if it was the twelfth best in the league.

737
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: I think would say yes, yeah, and that's probably about

738
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: where they ended up twelve to fifteen, ten to fifteen.

739
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: Certainly the run game has been better than that. I

740
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: think protection overall is still a little questionable, but I

741
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: should bring this up on the show more often. There's

742
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: only two offenses that faced tougher slate of defenses than

743
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: the Steelers. That's the matters. I mean, that's why you

744
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: know I to play one hundred six two games.

745
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see people throughout. You know, Dan Moore was

746
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: one of the lowest graded offensive tackles in these by

747
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. First of all, is Pro Football Focus? Secondly,

748
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: do you not take into account who the hell he

749
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: played against? He got Garrett twice, he got Max Crosby,

750
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: he got Bosa.

751
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's something they could easily.

752
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: He got Hendrickson.

753
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean you could break it down, not even by

754
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: game by snap I mean, I'm sure they have that information.

755
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me that you know Andre Dillard was

756
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: better than him? Come on, Juwan Taylor, come on.

757
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, I don't know anyone on a PFF, nor

758
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: do I care enough to do it. But if I

759
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: was employed by them, I would say, let's take this

760
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: a step higher and turn it into like weighted d

761
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: v O A where Okay, you graded a fifty out

762
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: of one hundred. Okay, fine, but your level of competition

763
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: broken down all the way to snap was you faced

764
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: the hardest set of pass rushers in the whole league,

765
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: by our grades.

766
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Speaker 1: By our grade, somebody else's greats are grade.

767
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: You faced Garrett more than anybody else.

768
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Speaker 1: The only guy in our top, our top probably seven

769
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: or eight that you didn't face was TJ Wat because

770
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: he's on your team, and some of them have faced twice.

771
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly right, And he just crossed me on the

772
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Aaron Bosa and all those dudes. I mean there we

773
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: were joking off the air. They're all pro team. Was

774
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: they left, they left off and they picked me. They

775
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: went four deep, and they went four deep and Garrett

776
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: or you face three of them. Yeah, I didn't say Parsons,

777
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: you know, but the other guys are right.

778
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just come on, man, you have to you

779
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: have to at least graded somewhat on I mean, you

780
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: played against.

781
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Matters, absolutely. I mean, who's the Bills right tackle, the

782
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: big tall dude whatever, Dawkins's right? Are we gonna grade

783
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: him the same as Golden as we are against what?

784
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: No?

785
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like it sounds like it.

786
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: Was as badly against Golden. You're gonna be well, what

787
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: would he have done against Why?

788
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: It would have been worse? Yeah, of course, but his

789
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: assignment got a lot easier, yeah, than it would have DJ.

790
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Was out there now if they flipped a few times,

791
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: which could happen, which could happen? Yeah?

792
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: Do you know is her big more comfortable coming off

793
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: the right? It seemed like Golden cares.

794
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: Golden doesn't seem to care. They've they've put I think

795
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: they put her big more on the left side to

796
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: get him away from the from the tight end. You

797
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: get him off the strong side because he's a little lighter.

798
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: You mean versus the left tackle versus That's what I

799
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: remember when I said, right, I was thinking through a

800
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: defensive eyes. Yeah, I just picture him more coming from he's.

801
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: Been a backside guy. Yeah, he's been the backside guy.

802
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: And usually younger guys you don't want to move as much.

803
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: So I just know if he had a preference or

804
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: if they have a preference with him, I don't.

805
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways, let's get to another break. He is

806
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to

807
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:24,880
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808
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809
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810
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811
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,400
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812
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813
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814
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: And Matt, we've touched on this a little bit with

815
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: the Belichick situation. Bill Belichick out in New England. We've

816
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: seen Pete Carroll go here. Mike Tomlin and Harbaugh. John

817
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Harbaugh are the two longest ten yured coaches now.

818
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: In amazing they're one year apart, a lot by a lot.

819
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Next time, as Andy Reid in eleven years.

820
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: And that doesn't count as Philly time. That's just one team. Yeah, okay,

821
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: so he's been with the Chiefs eleven years.

822
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: Okay, they've been with the Steelers, Steelers and Ravens seventeen

823
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: and sixteen years respectively.

824
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing. I mean, so there's some two stall warts,

825
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: I mean two I think Hall of famers Belichick obviously.

826
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: I think Carrol's done. He went to the front office.

827
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: He seemed a little reluctant about it, but time's.

828
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: Probably he's ever done.

829
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at times probably. Yeah, you gotta be

830
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: emotional about it. Bill doesn't keep turning away. I think

831
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a couple suitors for him.

832
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: That's an interesting hire, to say the least, you know.

833
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what's he gonna look like. It's Alkins hoodie

834
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: or Washington hoodie or whatever.

835
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: And they get him in the Browns. Yeah, yeah, see

836
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: him with the Jets, Gears, seen him. Yeah, so I've

837
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: seen You've seen him in some of those other places,

838
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Belichick when he was with the Browns.

839
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

840
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: So back in those days, you would always get an

841
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: opposing player and then put the opposing coach via conference

842
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: call in the media room, and every time we got

843
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick for his for his conference call, you would

844
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: always hear this as as you're talking to him, he's shuffling,

845
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: pa he read I don't know if he's reading the

846
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: daily newspaper, whether he's looking at the you know, the

847
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: mock ups from yesterday's practice, whatever it was. While he's

848
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: answering your questions, he's he's well, not really answering your questions.

849
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: He's obviously doing other things while he's.

850
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: He was not entirely engaged.

851
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: He was not engaged whatsoever. I got him actually to

852
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: hang up on one of those conference calls one time. Really,

853
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: if you remember, Benny Thompson was a special teams player

854
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and safety for the Browns and he was talking some

855
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: trash that week leading up to a game might have

856
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: even been the playoff game here, and I asked.

857
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: Him Belichick was the coach for that playoff game. Yeah.

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00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: I asked him, what, you know, if he had any

859
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: comment about what what Benny Talketpson had to say, and

860
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: he just said, I don't know. You'd have to ask

861
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Benny click.

862
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: And he wasn't six time champion Bill, but at that

863
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: point too, he's a new former defensive coordinator guy. Yeah,

864
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: not anyone new. So speaking of the papers back in

865
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: my Browns days, back then, you would get an email

866
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: every day, I think it was from the league with

867
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: like all the league news, you know, and like when

868
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 2: you went on the road, like you went on a plane,

869
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: like our director of pro personnel would print that thing

870
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: off and just read it all week and it would

871
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: be like sometimes like three hundred pages for the week,

872
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, like just killing lots of trees. I mean

873
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: that's how people did things back then. It was like

874
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: you didn't just look on your phone or your tabilty.

875
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: There's like, hey, can you print that out for me?

876
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm going on the road and go through all these papers,

877
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: and I mean it's probably what Bill was doing, you know,

878
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: going through everything was on paper back then, you know.

879
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so den't look there one bit. Dealt with that

880
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: guy for a long, long, long, long time. I mean

881
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: we're talking like back in the nineties there with with that.

882
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's a long time ago. Yeah right, that's crazy.

883
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Amazing coach though. I mean I know people here aren't

884
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: fond of him, but say what you want about Spygate.

885
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: I mean I think he's on the Mount Rushmore. Okay, yeah,

886
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean I just the fact that.

887
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: I think some of the I think some of the

888
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: shine is off.

889
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean stock's low.

890
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: Like if you if you look at the job that

891
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has done the last two years post Ben Roethlisberger,

892
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and you look at what Belichick did post.

893
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: Brady pretty much night and day, it really was drafted

894
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: a mid round, first round quarterback. Yeah, I mean Mac

895
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: Jones and picked It are one year apart, basically drafted

896
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: the exact same spot in the draft. They're not Trevor Lawrence.

897
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And some of that's because

898
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: of how they built their rosters around those young guys.

899
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: I think he's I just praise him as a coach.

900
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: I think he's still a tremendous football coach, but I

901
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: think he's possibly the worst you have in the league. Yeah,

902
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, trade a second round pick for Mohamed Sanoop.

903
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of those.

904
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: And yet when that move was made, I can distinctly

905
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: remember everybody's well Belichick did it. It must be smart.

906
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 2: I wasn't want to fire. I mean, you can find

907
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: the podcast. I'm like, what does this guy doing?

908
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: I remember it happened while we were on the air,

909
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is that?

910
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, boy Bill's got all this cap space.

911
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sign John hu Smith Hunter, Henry Nelson Aguilar

912
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: to rebuild, rebuild my passing game and.

913
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: Then go draft a rookie quarterback and here you go, kid,

914
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm at it right.

915
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: I mean every missed on draft picks, but they missed

916
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: on a lot.

917
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: It's also, though, part a little bit of coaching Hubris.

918
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to go.

919
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Into last year and say I don't need this. I

920
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: don't we don't need an offensive coordinator. Like he made

921
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: that decision.

922
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: He makes every decision. Yeah, yeah, I mean he made

923
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: who each what for lunch? Where, who parks where? I mean,

924
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: everything is his decision. I think that's actually part of

925
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: it is. I think the Craft family, his son's getting

926
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: involved more and more kind of what's their team back?

927
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

928
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: Like, why can't under get it right when the results

929
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: aren't what they were? When you're winning championships, that's fine. Yeah,

930
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: when you're not winning championships anym, it's kind of like

931
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: a player absolutely, how much are we willing to put

932
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: up with here? When you're not You're not that valuable

933
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: guy anymore.

934
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: And it's not as we talk with this a lot,

935
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: it's not a fun place to be, no. I mean

936
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: you talked about the commute. I mean that's one of

937
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: many things. But once you walk in the building, it's

938
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: not dancing around and rainbows and you know, everybody cheering

939
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: everybody on. It's a grind every day in a semi

940
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: military to win four games. Yeah, hey we got the

941
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: super Bowl.

942
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: That had to be absolutely miserable this year.

943
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: This year, in last couple, but this year in particular.

944
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean again, I've been doing this now for thirty

945
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: two years, and I've seen three losing seasons, and I

946
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: can tell you that when you when you get to

947
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: that point in the season where your team, the team

948
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: is out of it. Yeah, and I'm just looking at

949
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: this as a reporter. Guys aren't happy to be there.

950
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Guys are That's when guys get angry and it's just

951
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: miserable and they don't want to be you know, want.

952
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: To win one hundred years ago. In one year. But

953
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: I mean, Butch Davis the year I was there, got

954
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: fired and like we nine, I mean, we knew we

955
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: were out of it from the start Steelers for fifteen

956
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: and one. We're not catching that.

957
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Here's the okay, So here's the crazy thing about it.

958
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: If the doors are shut and that one's looking for job, right.

959
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: If you look at it now, in the top ten

960
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: in the league in terms of tenure, all four coaches

961
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: in the AFC North are in the top ten in

962
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: terms of tenure with the same team.

963
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: Boy, there's there's like six to eight changes.

964
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's been with the Bengals now.

965
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: Five years, okayis four? Yeah, and they're in the top ten.

966
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: How the league is, which is bonkers. I mean, but

967
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: there's the way.

968
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: But you look at the teams. You look at the

969
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: teams now that have the three longest tenure.

970
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: It's it's Chiefs, the Chiefs, the.

971
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Steelers and Ravens. Buffalo's not far behind that. Sean mcdermot's right.

972
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you you know, and maybe you do have

973
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: a down year here or there, but you've been pretty dark, consistent,

974
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: and I know people like to bring up, well, Mike

975
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: Tomlin's playoff record and all that stuff.

976
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh, I mean, how many losing seasons of those

977
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: four coaches had though combined since many.

978
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: Since twenty twelve. John Harbaugh's won two playoff games.

979
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, people forget that. People give Lamar a hard time.

980
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: He's wonning three in the playoffs. He stings. They don't

981
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: say about Harbaugh, they say about Tom win.

982
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's hard to win playoff games.

983
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to win games period. It's hard to be consistent. Yeah,

984
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: it'd be consistently good, and those coaches have I mean,

985
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: if you look at Harbaugh's records.

986
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Four have not had many losing seasons.

987
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: Hartbaugh's had two losing seasons since he became head coach.

988
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: And sorry, no, I'm sorry, he's had one one losing season.

989
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: He had a five and eleven year, No two. He

990
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: was eight and nine and twenty twenty one when Lamar

991
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: got hurt.

992
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: Okay, he was five number of even picking high enough

993
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: to be five and eleven.

994
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: Five and eleven and twenty fifteen. They had a bunch

995
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: of injuries. They lot that.

996
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: To Ronnie Stanley dregs. Yeah, okay, and so who did

997
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: they get that out of that? They finally got tackled.

998
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, But that's the other part of the question. You're

999
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: picking at the bottom of the barrel. Year after year

1000
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: after year when we talk about the draft, and we

1001
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: often talk about this Steelers, the Steelers and Ravens are

1002
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: looking at a lot of the same players. A they

1003
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: want to play the same style of football, and they're

1004
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: picking right around each other.

1005
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time, right, I mean, even going back

1006
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: to his Eagles days with Reid. I bet there's six

1007
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: losing seasons between McDermott, Harbaugh, Reid, Tomlin. I mean there's

1008
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: two and of the of the Steeler Ravens. Yeah, I

1009
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: think McDermott has one.

1010
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: I think might have two.

1011
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure his last year in Philly

1012
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: wasn't good. I can't. I mean it was, you know, oh,

1013
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: there was more going on there than just that, but

1014
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: he had I don't think he's had a losing season

1015
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs, No, I mean, the streak's not as

1016
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: long as Tomlin's. He hasn't been there as long. I

1017
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: don't think he's had to losing season. Yeah, they're they

1018
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: were up to eleven now. I believe McDermott's first year

1019
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: they went to the playoffs and no one thought.

1020
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: They should, and then the next year they didn't.

1021
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know if it's a losing season

1022
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: or not. But then they've been in the playoffs every

1023
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: year since. Yeah, so, I mean very few between the

1024
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: four of those.

1025
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: It's it's very difficult to sustain a It's difficult. You're

1026
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: not going to sustain great in his without a great quarterback.

1027
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: But BA is a big war. Yeah yeah, but to

1028
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: sustain a level of consistency and winning without a great

1029
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: quarterback is damn near impossible.

1030
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: Damn impossible, as Belichick found out in a big way

1031
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: this year. Yeah. But Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Ravens have had

1032
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 2: much better GMing than the Patriots the last five years,

1033
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: I mean the last by.

1034
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Build the GM, let build the coach down.

1035
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: And let Brady down a little at the end too.

1036
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: I think that a big reason he left too, is

1037
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: like this isn't fun, and why are you bringing me?

1038
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: Giving me to kill Harry, you know, like give me

1039
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: somebody could play, no trade for Mohammed Sanu for me?

1040
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean that second round pick on something good.

1041
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's going to do it for our show today.

1042
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: We got one more show left in the week and

1043
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: then it's off to Buffalo to watch the Steelers play

1044
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Speaker 1: The Buffalo billis o'clock on Sunday. UH for my partner

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. For Justin Miller here on site keeping us

1046
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Speaker 1: on the air. I'm Dale Lallie. We thank you for

1047
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Speaker 1: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation

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