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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We are back with Katie Asher, co author of the

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Speaker 2: Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcasts,

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Speaker 2: the broken, and those who lost faith, written with her

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Speaker 2: non speaking, autistic son Houston. We were talking about his

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Speaker 2: mathematical acumen and just before the break you wanted to

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Speaker 2: sort of give us another indication of his incredible intellects.

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Speaker 2: And then I want to get into his spiritual insights.

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Speaker 2: But what was it before even the mathematics that struck you.

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Speaker 3: He had a photographic memory. He was spelling out the

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Speaker 3: whole Declaration of Independence. I had run out of lessons

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Speaker 3: and so I was like, okay, well this day in history,

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Speaker 3: and it was right around July fourth. So I just

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Speaker 3: was like, do you know the name or you know

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Speaker 3: the famous phrase from the Declaration you know of Independence?

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Speaker 3: And he starts spelling out the whole thing, and I

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Speaker 3: was like where And then and I said what else

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Speaker 3: do you know? And he said the Gettysburg address, So

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Speaker 3: I have it on video, and I'm like, okay, like

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Speaker 3: where on earth is this information coming from? And that

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Speaker 3: was my real question is I said, how do you

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Speaker 3: know so much, and I was asking him all kinds

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Speaker 3: of questions also about like what is his knowledge about

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Speaker 3: these documents? Does he know what they mean? Does he

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Speaker 3: understand them conceptually? Does he know why they came about?

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Speaker 3: What inspired them? And he knew more than I knew.

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Speaker 3: And so when I start asking him, like, how do

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Speaker 3: you know all of this? Where is this information coming from?

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Speaker 3: And he spelled I am special and I'm like being

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Speaker 3: a mom, right, and I'm like, of course you are.

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Speaker 3: Still I wasn't getting it. I'm sure he was rolling

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Speaker 3: his eyes, but he said, I can hear thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I could hear thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I can hear thoughts. And I didn't know what to

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Speaker 3: do with that statement, because it seems like a completely

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Speaker 3: impossible statement, number one, unreal. And my very first question

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Speaker 3: was are you lying? Because that just seemed like an

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Speaker 3: impossible statement, something that no one could do or prove,

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Speaker 3: And so I started proving him and oh, and his

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Speaker 3: response to me asking if he was lying, was you

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Speaker 3: don't get the kind of gifts that I have if

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Speaker 3: you lie. And I was deequely humbled. I mean, how offensive.

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Speaker 3: Here my son is finally communicating, and I ask if

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Speaker 3: he's lying, and also demonstrates where we've kind of gotten society,

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Speaker 3: you know, where we never believe people anymore, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's all like doubt has been raised up as like

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Speaker 3: the epitome of intelligence is. And the more people doubt,

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Speaker 3: the more skeptical, the more they're believed, the more they're

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Speaker 3: they're considered intelligent. And that was something I recognized later on,

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Speaker 3: but I was still in that place of doubt. So

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Speaker 3: my very winch reaction was to test, right, to test this.

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's understandable, it's understandable. When did Houston begin describing

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Speaker 2: spiritual experiences?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly how it started, was him telling me

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Speaker 3: that he could hear thoughts, and then me testing if

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Speaker 3: he could, if he really could hear my thoughts, and

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Speaker 3: he not only could he tell me what I was thinking,

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Speaker 3: but then when I asked him a question without speaking,

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Speaker 3: he answered the quo question with no words, no physical

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Speaker 3: words ever being shared, no speech at all by anyone.

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Speaker 2: And telepathic communication.

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Speaker 3: Yes, telepathic communication. And that's what we have to realize,

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Speaker 3: is that that is spiritual. That is the spirit hearing

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Speaker 3: and the spirit communicating. That's what that is. And what

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Speaker 3: I began to realize very quickly is that thought is

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Speaker 3: energy and it behaves by the laws of energy, and

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Speaker 3: the very first being the law of conservation, which says

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Speaker 3: that energy can either be created or destroyed, only transferred.

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Speaker 3: And so that's what's really happening. And so I start

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Speaker 3: pressing into this and like, where is this coming from?

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Speaker 3: How do you know? And he was really reticent to

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Speaker 3: share everything that he was experiencing, almost as if I

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Speaker 3: had to prove that I could be trusted with what

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Speaker 3: he wanted to share with me. And the very first

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Speaker 3: recognition that there was more spiritual going on than I

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Speaker 3: realized was whenever someone had given me these stones, these gemstones,

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Speaker 3: and it was a piece of jasper and Carnelian and

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Speaker 3: human tite, and she had like prayed a prayer out

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Speaker 3: of acts over these stones. Now you have to understand,

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Speaker 3: I'm Presbyterian, and so we are like the most materialists

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Speaker 3: kind of just like we push all spiritual experiences aside.

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Speaker 3: And because we're too we're too learned we're too arrogant,

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Speaker 3: I supposed to do with them? And I describe it

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Speaker 3: in the book. I said, I received them the way

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Speaker 3: that you would receive a joint at a party. You

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Speaker 3: were supposed to be grateful, but you didn't know what

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Speaker 3: to do with it, right, That's how I felt, right,

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Speaker 3: And so she said, just read about him, whatever feels

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Speaker 3: right to you. And so I took them home and

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Speaker 3: I got in the tub to take a bath, and

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Speaker 3: I got out my phone to look up these stones

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Speaker 3: Houston burst through two doors and he starts and he

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Speaker 3: doesn't have much speech at all, and he starts saying stone, stone, stones,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, what what? And I kept telling him leave,

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Speaker 3: gave him the stones. And after I got out of

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Speaker 3: the tub, I went into his room and he was

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Speaker 3: lined He had them lined up on his bedside table

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Speaker 3: and I said, what's going on here? And he sat

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Speaker 3: straight up and he saipelled. When you're autistic, you're a

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Speaker 3: magnet for all energy, good and bad. These stones have

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Speaker 3: good energy. I need more good energy. And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: what do you mean energy? And where's the bad energy?

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Speaker 3: He starts pointing out everything in our home that has

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Speaker 3: bad energy. And this is the beginning of me realizing

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Speaker 3: that everything comes from spirit. Everything is first spirit before

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Speaker 3: it is matter. Spirit is actually what creates matter. And

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Speaker 3: so for example, a table or a chair, we think

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Speaker 3: that the real thing is like a table or a chair,

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Speaker 3: but the real question is what was that table or

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Speaker 3: it was a thought. It was an idea, and the

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Speaker 3: thoughts and the ideas are actually what create and bring

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Speaker 3: the thought of a table or a chair, it wouldn't exist.

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Speaker 3: And what my son is experiencing is that reality that

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Speaker 3: there is spirit. Everything matter is spirit. And what E

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Speaker 3: the same thing, just measured in different ways. In fact,

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Speaker 3: matter is the slowest, most densest form of energy.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know you're gonna want some after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi

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Speaker 4: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,

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Speaker 4: who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering

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Speaker 4: with not just one or two warts, but I mean

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Speaker 4: a significant outbreak of war works all over his body,

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Speaker 4: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil

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Speaker 5: to right. It was Tie's book actually that got me

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Speaker 5: thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 4: It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 4: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 4: did you see that there was actually improvement it's really

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Speaker 4: going to work.

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Speaker 5: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: and then going down to with just little red marks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,

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Speaker 5: no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 5: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 2: Ti, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: When did he describe? When did he start describing heaven

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Speaker 3: It began with the stones and that was the first,

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Speaker 3: like him being able to experience the energy on these stones,

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Speaker 3: and he starts explaining that. And at this point, whenever

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Speaker 3: started getting back into God's word because it said. I

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Speaker 3: remember that Christ said if they don't praise me, that

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Speaker 3: he was waiting for me to be back to being open,

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Speaker 3: And then he starts describing like visions that he's having,

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Speaker 3: and I'm realizing he's actually describing scriptures that he's never read, and.

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Speaker 3: She died when I was eight years old. I never

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Speaker 3: Houston because I didn't talk about him anything with him,

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Speaker 3: and his spiritual instruction consisted of me not realizing he

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Speaker 3: Jesus loves you, Jesus is king. That was it. That

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Speaker 2: And he's and then suddenly he is what quoting passages

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's describing them very specifically. He was describing like

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Speaker 3: He was describing Christ on his throne. He was describing

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Speaker 3: actually in the Bible. Extraordinary details of heaven that matched scripture.

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Speaker 3: And I did a very good job in our in

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Speaker 2: Did you ask him where he was getting this information from.

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Speaker 3: He said he'd seen it and that he had gone

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Speaker 2: seen it, he went to heaven.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And he described the first time and he talked

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Speaker 3: about taking walks at night as if because of that

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Speaker 3: loose connection to his physical body, he was leaving his

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Speaker 3: body and being able to basically, it's like translation, being

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Speaker 3: able to move out of your body to experience another

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Speaker 3: realm and then coming back to your body. And this

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Speaker 3: is what I describe it like people who have had

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Speaker 3: near death experiences, except that he's been having it for

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Speaker 3: twenty nine years.

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Speaker 7: And here's a story I think the I think this

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Speaker 7: is in the book where you went for a walk

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Speaker 7: with him and there was another woman in the park

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Speaker 7: who was walking her dog.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the dog ran up to your son. Tell

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Speaker 2: that story.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So dogs are obsessed with Houston, and

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Speaker 3: it's I mean, they absolutely cannot get enough of him.

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Speaker 3: And when they were when he was little, they were

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Speaker 3: of course bigger than him, and they would like jump

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Speaker 3: just I thought they were attacking him, but really they

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Speaker 3: they just adored him. And this one time this dog

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Speaker 3: would not get off of him, and I said, what

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Speaker 3: is going on and he said, he spelled, he knows

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Speaker 3: that I'm someone close to God. And then another time

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Speaker 3: we were in the park and this we would see

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Speaker 3: this woman walking her dog, and the dog would always

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Speaker 3: chase after Houston, barking and still it was one of

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Speaker 3: So I stopped and the dog was going nuts, and

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Speaker 3: And she looks down and the dog is barking like crazy,

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Speaker 3: And so she picks oh, actually before that, and so

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Speaker 3: his little tail was up in the or, his bottom

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Speaker 2: He was bowing. He was bowing.

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Speaker 3: And right. So she picks the dog up, and the

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Speaker 3: dog is trembling and I finally I was like, Houston,

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Speaker 3: what is going on? And he said, he said, it's

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Speaker 3: my angels. I said, well, what is the dog seeing?

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Speaker 3: He said, so, my angels are ten feet tall and

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Speaker 3: their wings are that wide as well.

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Speaker 2: The dogs saw the angels.

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Speaker 3: The dogs are the angels. Yeah. He has experiences like

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Speaker 3: that with animals a lot. And the animals can see

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Speaker 3: more than we can see. The veil is very thick

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Speaker 3: for us and not so thick for some of these animals.

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