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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, which is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light. I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by my good buddy Clint Campbell,

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Speaker 1: who is the host of the Truth from the Stand podcast,

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Speaker 1: a Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner, badass guitarist, and all around

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Speaker 1: good dude who kills big public Land bucks. Surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon is off today. Now you might think he's

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Speaker 1: doing something cool with his time, like hunting public Land Bucks,

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Speaker 1: but our little buddy is actually in recovery. He got

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Speaker 1: hired to be the keynote speaker at the Flutter Festival,

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Speaker 1: which you probably think I'm making up, but I'm not.

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Speaker 1: This event happens down in South Carolina and is a

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Speaker 1: celebration of butterflies. So in preparation, Mark got a monarch

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Speaker 1: tattooed on his lower back. I can't remember what you

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Speaker 1: call a tattoo in that location, uh, but anyway, Mark

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Speaker 1: got one, and unfortunately he didn't let it. Heal very well,

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Speaker 1: and he went to a water slide with his kids

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Speaker 1: and it got infected. So please go to his Instagram

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Speaker 1: and wish him a speedy recovery.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Returning to the Wired to Hunt podcast today is Clint Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Clint is a Pennsylvania resident who spends all fall bow

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Speaker 1: hunting public land in a bunch of different states, and

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Speaker 1: he's really good at it. I love talking to him

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Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, but a big one is

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Speaker 1: because his mindset and his approach to hunting goes way

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Speaker 1: beyond typical advice. This episode won't teach you how to

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Speaker 1: find a buck's bet or read a rub better. But

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Speaker 1: if you pay attention to what Clint has to say

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Speaker 1: and you follow his advice just even a little bit,

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Speaker 1: you will become a better hunter. I promise you not, Clint.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how good it is to see you,

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Speaker 1: buddy day Man.

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Speaker 3: You're looking good, dude, not looking at a day over

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Speaker 3: fifty three.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm just kidding, super super man.

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Speaker 3: I've been good, Man. Been busy this summer, as you know, man,

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Speaker 3: you know, life just seems it seems like as things go,

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Speaker 3: it gets busier and busier. You know, I would have

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Speaker 3: And I thought things would maybe get a little easier,

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Speaker 3: gets more and more chaotic, fingers crossed, like I'll be

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Speaker 3: an empty nester next year, and I'm hoping then, like

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Speaker 3: maybe things that slept down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So did you when you took her to it, because

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Speaker 1: you just took her to her first college visit just

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Speaker 1: got back yet? Was it like kind of getting hit

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Speaker 3: I think it happened before we left, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: the summer. I think, truthfully, it was probably more when

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Speaker 3: You know, And she and I have had that conversation

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Speaker 1: I it hit me very very recently, you know, my

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Speaker 1: The Mediator's site about you know, three non hunting decisions

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Speaker 1: I made in my life that made me a lot

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Speaker 3: I love grappling, number one, but you know, at forty

436
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 3: some odd years old, why would I start doing that

437
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 3: and put my body through that? And they were like,

438
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 3: and then we started talking about bow hunting. They were like, man,

439
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 3: that's kind of hard. Then we started talking about a

440
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 3: traditional bow and that's even harder. They're like, why do

441
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 3: you pick the like the hardest possible things to deal?

442
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: Right?

443
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: Like? And I started thinking about it. I was like, well,

444
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: maybe I just like things that are really hard, right,

445
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 3: Maybe I like the challenge. And I was like, I do.

446
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: I was like, but that's not If that were the case.

447
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: Once I met the challenge, then I wouldn't be interested

448
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 3: in anymore, right, because that's I like things that are

449
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,959
Speaker 3: kind of continual, right, And so you know, what I

450
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 3: landed on and what I realized was is that and

451
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 3: this has been all my life because I started looking back,

452
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: like even when I was a kid and stuff like that,

453
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: and music was another example, like music's really hard, Like

454
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 3: that's what I did for a living for a while,

455
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 3: So why would you choose that as a profession at

456
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: some point? Right? Why would you choose to be an

457
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: archery hunter of all things?

458
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: Right?

459
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: And what I kind of landed on was that the

460
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: things that really motivate me or the things that I

461
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: feel like that are like those things that are like

462
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: buried in you that you can't explain, is that I

463
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 3: like things and seek things that have no possibility of

464
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: mastery ever, like you, And if anybody tells you they're

465
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: a master of it, you will one percent know that

466
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: they're full of shit, because there's it's just not possible. Right,

467
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 3: And so it's a kind of a weird way to

468
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: where everyone's always kind of like the same, Like there's

469
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 3: a hierarchy like in that, like you know a good

470
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: hunter from like someone who's maybe not as accomplished or whatever,

471
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: but does doesn't mean that person can't be. Right, you

472
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: know someone who's really good at jiu jitsu by your

473
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: rank of your belt, right, and that really just means

474
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: that person spent more time, right, But it doesn't mean

475
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: the person who's a white belt that just started yesterday

476
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 3: can't be a black belt or a fifty degree black

477
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 3: belt or whatever. Right just because someone just started playing

478
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: music today doesn't mean they're not going to be the

479
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: next Jimmy Page or the next John Lennon. They're not today,

480
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: but they could be, right, And so it's all those

481
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: things that you know, there's no possibility of mastery. It's

482
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: all endless, it's open ended, and it's really just about

483
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: your journey. And so that's what I kind of learned.

484
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 3: And I think that all the different things that I'm

485
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: involved in, you know, over time has kind of taught

486
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: me that. And that's that's ultimately, you know, where my

487
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: why kind of stems from is having something that there's

488
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 3: no possibility in mastery. So I'll never run out of

489
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: intrigue until I'm you know, in the ground, you know, hopefully.

490
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Speaker 1: I love I love how you frame that up, because

491
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: I so my daughters and I went down this weird

492
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: rabbit hole last winter of watching all these documentaries on

493
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: like mountain climbers and rock climbing and squirrel suit jumpers

494
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,959
Speaker 1: and all these guys like crazy adrenaline sports shit right

495
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: like free solo Alex Hanold type stuff, and I just

496
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: the other night when I was running, I was listening

497
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: to Alex Hanold, who is the first dude to climb

498
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: l CAP with no safety equipment, which is crazy, crazy

499
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: three thousand feet straight up of just death after like

500
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: the first minute, it's just death, no matter what if

501
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 1: you screw up. Anyway, he was on Huberman's podcast, and

502
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 1: Huberman asked him a lot of questions about like, you know,

503
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: when you do something like that and you accomplish it,

504
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: like how do you find the next thing? And he

505
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: was like, there's always a whole bunch of the next

506
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: things like rattling around in my brain. It's not like

507
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: he's like, I have to do l CAP, that's it.

508
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: And then once I'm done, I start over and I

509
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: start thinking about this thing he's like. And then he

510
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: started explaining about like the little day climbs him and

511
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: his wife would do, and like, you know, there's this

512
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: like one move I couldn't master, this one spot where

513
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: it was like kicking my ass, And I think about

514
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: that so much, and I had I was just down

515
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: in Nebraska a little bit ago, hanging a bunch of

516
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: stands and putting up blinds for this hunt. We're doing

517
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: during the rut here with Steve and my cameraman is

518
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: a mountain climber, and so I never worked with the

519
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: guy before I met him. Super good shape, and I

520
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: looked at I'm like, what do you do? Like you

521
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: can just look at him and just tell he's like

522
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: doing something like and he's.

523
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Speaker 2: Like, oh, I just loved a rock climb.

524
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Speaker 1: And so I asked him so many questions and he

525
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: knew nothing about deer hunting. Great guy knew nothing. He's

526
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: from Idaho. He literally asked me, uh. At one point,

527
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I put up a blind and he said, do you

528
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: have to get out of the blind to shootingmorer? Can

529
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: you stay in it? Like That's that was his pace

530
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: level of you know, deer hunting. He just doesn't know, right,

531
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: He just started. He hunted elk last year for the

532
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: first time because he started filming with us, and so

533
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: he he doesn't come to the conversation knowing anything about

534
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: what we do. And as I talked to him more

535
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: and more about his favorite climbs and the places he's

536
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: gone and the like close calls and all that shit,

537
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just bow hunting on a

538
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: vertical cliff like that. It was the same kind of

539
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: thing where he was like, you know, he explained to

540
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: me because we started talking about free solo, and I

541
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: was like, it had never occurred to me how much

542
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: Alex had rehearsed and worked through like individual moves and

543
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: how many times he had climbed it with gear to

544
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: know every part. Like obviously when you hear that on

545
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: the outside and now you're like, oh, yeah, duh, you're

546
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: not going to just go up there blind. But it's

547
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: like a decade's long process, or it maybe a decade

548
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I asked this guy, I was like,

549
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: do you have stuff like that where it's like it's

550
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: taking you ten years to you know, summit certain spots whatever.

551
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, absolutely.

552
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you fall all the time, and if you

553
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: fall one time, it's not a success. You have to

554
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: go up there and do this without falling. And he's like,

555
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: some of the things that I do take me ten

556
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: years to finish, but I'm always working on that and

557
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: something else and something else and some other move and

558
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: bouldering this way or whatever. And it's like it was

559
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: so fascinating to me because you would look at those worlds,

560
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: especially if you looked at like a you know, like

561
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: a TV hunt for white tails in like a typical

562
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: outfitted situation, you know, like the kind of hunt that

563
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: like the Western hunters would you know, tear us to

564
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: shreds over right, like the one they like to point

565
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: out where it's like that's not hunting, right. If you

566
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: look at that world especially, you'd be like, man, there's

567
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: no connection. There's no touch point between this and you know,

568
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: going up El Cap. But it's a mindset thing, and

569
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: it's like it's you know that kind of thing is like, yeah,

570
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people have done this, right, Like a

571
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: lot of people have done this route in that route

572
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: and whatever, but it doesn't matter. Like a lot of

573
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: people have gone out into the woods in Pennsylvania and

574
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: killed one hundred and forty inches. That doesn't change your

575
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: arc at all. Like you still have to follow your

576
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: own path.

577
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to follow your own path. And and

578
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: I think at the outset you have to have an

579
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: understanding of how long something's going to take, or that

580
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: it that it takes time. I think that's the one

581
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: thing that doesn't matter what it's in, whether it's hunting

582
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 3: or anything else, is that we just don't afford ourselves

583
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: any time any longer. Everything is such a microwave situation.

584
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: You know. You take opening weekend of football just occurred, right,

585
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: and you see rookie quarterbacks, right, for example, the expectations

586
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: that they just come in and set the whirl on fire.

587
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: You know, from from day one, when if you go

588
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: ten years ago or fifteen years ago, or whatever the

589
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: case was, there was a concept of bringing a rookie

590
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: quarterback along. Right, there's an understanding that it takes time

591
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: to learn certain nuances of this game versus the game

592
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: that he played in college. Right, It's the same thing,

593
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 3: you know, whether you're talking bow hunting or whether you're

594
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: talking jiu jitsu, or whether you're talking you know, free

595
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: soloing or whatever the case is. Nobody starts, you know,

596
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: especially in those types of endeavors. You know, and unless

597
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: you live on a managed property, if you do good,

598
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, good on you. I'm not not poo pooing that.

599
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: But for the public land guys out that are listening,

600
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, nobody's starting, you know, like one hundred yards

601
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: ahead of you in that sense, right, they might feel

602
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: like they are starting ahead of you because maybe they've

603
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: been doing a little bit longer, and they know a

604
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: few more things than you might know, or they you know,

605
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: whatever the case is. But everyone's kind of starts at

606
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: the bottom rung in that regard. And I think that's

607
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: one of the things that always, you know, that I

608
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: find fulfilling, at least in bow hunting, is that when

609
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: I go out to a piece of public somewhere, and

610
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: no matter where it's at, whether it's in my home

611
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: state of Pennsylvania or whether I'm traveling to a plane state somewhere,

612
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: or you know, Ohio, Iowa, Missouri, like whatever state, it

613
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: is the piece of dirt that I'm walking onto. Anybody

614
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: who has a tag and is legal with a legal

615
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: weapon is starting the same place I'm starting. Like, we're

616
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: all doing the same We're all doing the same thing.

617
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: The only thing that's going to kind of separate us

618
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: is one luck, because that's a big part of it,

619
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: you know, in two is your willingness to just deal

620
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: with the suck when it comes because it's going to right.

621
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: You have some of those gem hunts like I had

622
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: in the planes two years ago, where you show up

623
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: and you see the deer you want to kill, and

624
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: the second day you kill it, you know, but that

625
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: was three year. That was the third year two years

626
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: of eating a tag before that happened, right, And so

627
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: it's all that suck built up of enduring. That was

628
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: what led is what led to that. Right. Or if

629
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: you're climbing a mountain, right, you're using the gear to

630
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: climb so you don't make when you do make mistakes

631
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: that you have a safety net so you can learn

632
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: from the mistake. Right, And jiu jitsu, you enter tournaments

633
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: and you get beaten. When you're you know, you get

634
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: a little bit better, you win some tournaments, right, and

635
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: so it's all the same, it's all the same process.

636
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: But I think the important part of that as you

637
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: were kind of you know, talking about the mountain climbing

638
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: part of it, and I was kind of thinking, you know,

639
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: what is the what is that thing when you have

640
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: all these things rattling around in your head of when

641
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: you achieve one thing, like where do you go next? Right,

642
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: because a lot of people see that achievement is like

643
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: the pinnacle, like you you killed the deer you were

644
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: after you climb them ount and you wanted to climb,

645
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: or you won the tournament you wanted to win, or

646
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: whatever the case is. And the thing that I kind

647
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: of thought of that was kind of binds it all

648
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: together is that in every one of those scenarios, in

649
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: a person who's achieving those things at a decent clip

650
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: in those areas or whatever area it might be, is

651
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: that they're always looking to start over. Like That's actually

652
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: the appealing part is the starting it over again, right.

653
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: It's not sitting and looking at oh, look at me,

654
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: what did I Look what I just did? Right? There's

655
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of time for that, and a little

656
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: bit of time for reflection about what I learned from it.

657
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: And sure, maybe you give yourself a pat on the

658
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: back and you enjoy the fruits of your labor for

659
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: a minute. But most people are always onto, what's the

660
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: next thing I want to tackle, you know, And for

661
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: a lot of us, it's what's the next new thing

662
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: I can tackle? Right, What's the next kind of state

663
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: I want to go to. What's the next type of

664
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: terrain that I want to hunt in? That's the next

665
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: type of habitat I want to visit. What's the next

666
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: species I want to chase? What's the next weapon I

667
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: want to use? You know, It's like all those variables

668
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: of what you kind of start thinking about, and you

669
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: just you get more excited of the proposition of things

670
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: being new than you do about the goal you just achieved,

671
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: because to me, like the exciting stuff is the stuff

672
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: you haven't that you don't know yet. It's the stuff

673
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: that you're going to figure out and the the way

674
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: it's going to test you and test whether or not

675
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: you're as good as you think that you are, right,

676
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: test the things that you know are they are they

677
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: as solid of tools as you think as you think

678
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: you have right And a lot of times you get exposed,

679
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, and that's a lot of what happens. And honey,

680
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: when you go to a new state, or you know,

681
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: in jiu jitsu, if you go to a new gym

682
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: and you train with guys who have a different style

683
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: than you. Just happened to me this weekend in different

684
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: style man, and I learned some lessons about where I

685
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: have some holes I had need to fill. There was

686
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: a large MMA fighter from azerbaj On who was here

687
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: to for his fight camp that I learned some lessons from.

688
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: You know.

689
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: It didn't help that he went like two ten, you know,

690
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: and he's got me about about forty pounds, but he

691
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: was very skilled and it was a rough round, but

692
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: it was a very good experience because it just showed me,

693
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: like where where there was opportunity for me to continue

694
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: to grow, right, And there's a plenty of I have

695
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: plenty of places to grow. But just to kind of

696
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: look at that in the hunting sense, you know, when

697
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: you go to a new piece of public land, you

698
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: get your teeth kicked in, like man, that's like, that's

699
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: a great opportunity to figure out like areas that you

700
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: can sharpen yourself. Because if you sharpen those areas and

701
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: you patch those holes, like how much better are you

702
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: going to be?

703
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: Right?

704
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: And that's ultimately how you level up?

705
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: Right.

706
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: It is like when you find those deficiencies and you

707
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: figure out not always can you fill them, because sometimes

708
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: you don't have the capabilities to fill them. But what

709
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: you end up learning is how do I work with

710
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: that deficiency? What do I need to do to mitigate

711
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: the impact of that deficiency if you're not capable of

712
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: filling it? Right? And you can probably hear in my voice,

713
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: but that's the stuff I get excited about.

714
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think, I think what you're saying

715
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: in a sort of a roundabout way, and I might

716
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: be wrong here, but there's sort of this concept I've

717
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: been thinking about a lot with white tail hunting lately,

718
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: is you know what what do like the Andy Mays

719
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: of the world share, Like what are the people who

720
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: are just like really good at it where you're just

721
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: like that guy can figure it out anywhere? And one

722
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: of the things, you know, I think a lot of

723
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: people look at it and like their drive. You know,

724
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: they scout constantly, blah blah blah. They're out there all

725
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: the time, you know, single minded terminator pursuit. And there's

726
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: like a component of that, right, Like they're gonna they're

727
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna go more than the average person just they just are.

728
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna winter scout more, They're gonna just there's gonna

729
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: be an extra level of work put into there. But

730
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I think the big differentiator is comfort with failure.

731
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Like I think about this.

732
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I was having a conversation with this girl

733
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: who's writing for us now for the for the Meat

734
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Eater site, and she's she's trying to go kill a

735
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: public land buck and so she just ran some stuff

736
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: by me and it was like, well, what if this

737
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: goes wrong?

738
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, you have a whole.

739
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: Season, like it's probably going to go wrong, you know, like,

740
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: well what if they don't come to the beans or

741
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: the beans or yellow or blah blah blah.

742
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's just that's just bowhunting, man like.

743
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: But it's when you when you go through this enough,

744
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: you just realize like, yeah, like my plan is this,

745
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: and I believe in it because I'm doing it, and

746
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work, which ninety nine percent of the

747
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: time it just won't, it's like, okay, well, I just

748
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: have to do something else.

749
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: And when you when you're you know, at home.

750
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: I think that's tougher for people because they feel like

751
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: they can sort of create a situation where failure is

752
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: less of an option or a.

753
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Less likely outcome.

754
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Maybe, but it's not because the woods are dynamic and

755
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: deer dynamic and things change all the time. When you go,

756
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: you know, you load up your truck and you head

757
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: out to Kansas or wherever, you're just like, I'm coming

758
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: into a place that's going to hand me failure mostly right,

759
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm okay with that because I don't

760
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't live here. I don't get to walk out

761
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: here and glass them over and over and over again

762
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: and figure out that they walk by that tree when

763
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: the winds out of the west or whatever. Like, You've

764
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: got to figure that out in real time. And I

765
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: think comfort with that failure is like sort of a

766
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: big differentiator between a lot of really good hunters and

767
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are sort of struggling to

768
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: like hit that goal right. And when when you talk about,

769
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, rolling with fighters who are like you know,

770
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: they're above you on the in the packing area, like

771
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: they just they're just better at it in every way

772
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: or whatever.

773
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: It's like they're better, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're faster,

774
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 3: they're younger, they're they're all the things right.

775
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: And literally every advantage out there, you go into that

776
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: and you go, I know I'm going to fail. You

777
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: pick up a trad bow and you know that on paper,

778
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: that's going to cost you some deer thin there's I mean,

779
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: it's just I've I've gotten better with this about filming

780
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: because I freaking hate filming hunts, especially white tail hunts.

781
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: But now I'm just like having an extra person with

782
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: me is going to cost me one or two opportunities

783
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: in every four or five six day trip for sure,

784
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: Like I just it still sucks, but you just have

785
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: to be like that's just the thing that's going to happen.

786
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: And what's just as important is I'm going to cost

787
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: me some opportunity during this hunt too, like I'm going

788
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: to make a decision or something that's just going to

789
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: screw this up. And it's like if you're kind of

790
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: doing that thing with intention, like we talked about earlier

791
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: in this stuff, and you're like, well, I know the

792
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: failure is going to be here, like I don't want

793
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: to fail, but it's just whatever. It's like a it's

794
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a consequence of doing these hard things like eventually that

795
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: you just won't at some point and you'll hit that

796
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: goal or you'll kill that deer or you'll have that

797
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: great encounter, and it's like okay, like I'm not I'm

798
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: not immune to that failure again because that's coming again.

799
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: But it's like you just learn like, okay, well sometimes

800
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: you miss them, like sometimes you're just not paying attention

801
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: and they get in on you and they see you

802
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: and they run away, or you you get a little

803
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: lazy and you're like I'm going to set up here

804
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: even though the wind is not great, and then you

805
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: get busted and you're like, ah, yeah, like I failed,

806
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: big deal. I think I think doing hard stuff teaches

807
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: you that about all of these things and just makes

808
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: it like way more palatable overall.

809
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you just kind of go into things,

810
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: you know, whatever endeavor, it is just knowing that that

811
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: failing part of it is the cost of doing business

812
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: flat out, that's just you just might as well like

813
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: write it in the check book as a deduction. Right,

814
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna happen. Right. And so I think

815
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: with that going back to like the Andy and like

816
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: what makes them those guys different, Like I've always kind

817
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: of thought for them to a degree, It's like I've

818
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: always kind of thought of it this way that it's

819
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: disciplining care they care enough about it to be disciplined, right,

820
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: And what is discipline really is doing the thing that

821
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: you don't really want to do when you need to

822
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: do it because you just know you have to.

823
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: Right.

824
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's plenty of times, you know, I'm sure

825
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: you you experienced this as well. You know I know

826
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: that I do. You'll be sitting somewhere and you're like, man,

827
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: I should probably take my stuff down and move two

828
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: hundred yards over there, because I just watched three deer

829
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: walk through this opening over here, you know, or this

830
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: creek crossing or whatever, and I know I should move

831
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: over there right be You're like, I just set all

832
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: my stuff up, I don't want to move right. Well,

833
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: the disciplined person goes and the Karen huff, which then

834
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: kicks in their discipline, says, I don't really want to

835
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: do this, but it's the thing that I should do.

836
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: Therefore I'm going to do it. And that's all the

837
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: conversation you have to have with yourself, and it's done right.

838
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: The undisciplined person, you know, is you know, probably not

839
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: going to make that move and is just going to

840
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: kind of sit tight and see what, you know, see

841
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: what happens that they'll pull their gearity end of the night,

842
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: you know, and watch ten more deer walk through that

843
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: opening and never make a move right. And to me,

844
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: that's the difference. That's what the guys like Andy has like,

845
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: they just do the thing that they got to do

846
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: because they know they've got to go do it right.

847
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: And then there's this kind of I guess this mantra

848
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: I started kind of living by, especially with travel hunting

849
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: just in general. Is that, you know, is that I

850
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: look at it like this, that my hunt doesn't really

851
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: start until something bad happens, Like that's when my hunt

852
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: actually starts, you know. And for example, going out to

853
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: Kansas two years ago, you know, I got a flat

854
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: tire in Ohio, I blew a tire out on the trailer.

855
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: And it was when I blew that tire out, I

856
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: thought to myself, was like, I'm probably going to kill

857
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: the biggest year of my life on this trip, you know,

858
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: because I was going to get there late. I had

859
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: to run and try to get get a tire fit

860
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: get a new tire. They didn't have the size. I

861
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: spent two days in Ohio going to tire stores trying

862
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: to find it an extra tire for my trailer. Finally

863
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: got one, got there. You know, rest of the history

864
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: ended up killing a deer. But it was at that

865
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: moment where I was like, this has no other option

866
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: other than to work out for me, because this the

867
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: hunt just started and I'm still on the road, right

868
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: And so I kind of tried to go into the

869
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 3: hunts that way now, where that when something bad happens

870
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be bad but doesn't break

871
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: my way or whatever cases, I just think about it

872
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: and go, all right, it's actually starting. Now. Good, we

873
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: got that out of the way. Now we're ready to roll,

874
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: you know. And that was the same thing that last

875
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: year when I was hunting that big deer, and I

876
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: know we talked about that on this show that it

877
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: wasn't until you know, I screwed up one of the sits,

878
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, where I was like, cool, now we're ready

879
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: like things, and now it starts, you know, And you

880
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: know that hunt didn't quite work out the way I

881
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: would have wanted it to. But I try to keep

882
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: that mindset that way. I don't ever let the things

883
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: that are not going my way be the things that

884
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: start to dictate how I react to like the rest

885
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: of the hunt. Right, And it goes back to that intention.

886
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: So every day I try to set an intention for

887
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: what I'm going out for, Like if I'm doing a

888
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: lot of scouting that day instead of like sitting, and

889
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: then it's like what am I looking for? And I'll

890
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: be very specific about what I'm trying to look for.

891
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: And it's just like not to be oheady, but it's

892
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: like when you're trying to find, you know, a mate,

893
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: when you look real hard, you never find them. When

894
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: you're never looking at all. It just happened to show up, right,

895
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the way I view hunting

896
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: to a degree, is that whenever I'm looking really hard,

897
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: say I'm trying to cut a track, and maybe I'm

898
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: not finding any tracks that day, and this is exactly

899
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: what happened to me. I was looking for tracks and

900
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: I couldn't cut a track, and then all of a sudden,

901
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: I found that deer's rub and I knew if I

902
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: could find one of his rubs, i'd find a bunch

903
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: of them because he had an identifying mark. And sure enough,

904
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: that's what I found, and then that's what I used

905
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: to track that deer down, right, So it wasn't And

906
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: it was because I went out that day and didn't

907
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: let the previous days of failing snowball into making that

908
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: day terrible. What I did was I just said, Nope,

909
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: today's this is the thing I'm looking for. And then

910
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: with that, you know, my aperture wasn't cloudy outside of that,

911
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: like focus point necessarily, and I was able to kind

912
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 3: of see things that maybe I wouldn't pick up otherwise,

913
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: and then you know, lo and behold, I found a

914
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: critical piece of intel that got me a lot closer

915
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: to him and put me in the right kind of

916
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: area to have an encounter.

917
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I mean I think I think that one

918
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: of the things, you know, like there's an intangible you know,

919
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: we talk about Andy May all the time. He's kind

920
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: of it's almost kind of a joke to bring him

921
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: up because we always use him as the example for

922
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: like what you should aspire to, and I know he

923
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: listens to it and it's great. But one of the

924
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: things that like kind of on that point is like,

925
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: all right, you're driving to wherever your tire blows, like

926
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: that shit happens on those trips a lot, right, Like

927
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: something bad happens and you say that kicks off your hunt.

928
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I think that enough experience out there teaches you that

929
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: those bad things are coming, and they don't have to

930
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: they don't have to be as negative of an influence

931
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: on your overall season or your week or your trip

932
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: as it's like easy to make them be right, Like

933
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: I think about I mean, I've had, you know, I've

934
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: had all kinds of stuff go wrong at home and

935
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: on different trips, and I think about some of them

936
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: were like, you know, I don't know. I think it

937
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen, buddy, and I drove all the way

938
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: down to southern Oklahoma, which is a haul from central Minnesota.

939
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Right went to a place that I had pinned all

940
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: my hopes on.

941
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: You know.

942
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: It's like, I think it was like four thousand acres

943
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: of public land.

944
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, Oklahoma's covered in deer. It's going to be great.

945
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: We get there, set up camp, you know, long drive,

946
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: fifteen hours whatever it is, and I mean, I cannot

947
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: find a deer, like I cannot find a track. I

948
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: can't find I'm not talking one forties. I'm talking like

949
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: a deer. And I ended up wandering around one day

950
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: for like five hours, stand on my back, whole thing.

951
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: Walked into this little oakmont and jumped a little buck

952
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: out of it, and there was like two little rubs,

953
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm going to sit here and

954
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: wait for him to come back because I have nothing

955
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: going on. And there's one tree and I look at

956
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, all right, I can get up

957
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: into that tree and I put my first I stick

958
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: around the bottom and I look and it was it

959
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: had gotten kind of cool for cold for down there,

960
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: like whatever tempt that is. And there were these wasps

961
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: in this tree like it had like real thick bark,

962
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: and they were like hold up all over in there,

963
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't go up this tree.

964
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die right like if it gets like five

965
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: degrees warmer, They're going to destroy me. So I left,

966
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: grab my stuff, and I had looked on the on

967
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: X and I saw a spot that had a little

968
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: stream flowing through it, like I'm gonna go over to

969
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: that spot to see if I can find something, maybe

970
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: I can kill something on water or whatever. And I

971
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: got there and it was sort of this like wash out,

972
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: little kind of like seep coming out of the hillside.

973
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: It was kind of cool, but I wanted to get

974
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: to the far side of it, so I had to

975
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: cross it. And it was, you know, a shallow no

976
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: big deal. But I stepped on these rocks that were

977
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: slippery and fell hard and had my bow in my

978
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: hand and slammed my bow against the ground. Arrows went flying,

979
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, Okay, now I don't know if

980
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I have a functioning bow like on this trip that

981
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm you know, two days into fifteen hours from home.

982
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: So I grabbed one of my arrows and picked out

983
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: a little plant or something on the hillside where I'm like,

984
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just shoot at it, and you know, this

985
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: broadhead will be screwed, but at least I'll know if

986
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: my bow is still on or not because I smoked

987
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: it on the ground.

988
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: I actually smoked it on rocks.

989
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: So I take a shot at this like little bush

990
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: on this hillside right like, just like, I was very

991
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: confident my bow was not going to shoot well, take

992
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: aim at it thirty yards away, shoot hit it just perfectly,

993
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: and there must have been a little rock or something

994
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: buried in there. My arrow just exploded. So I'm like, okay,

995
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: I can't find a deer. I damn near can cuss

996
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: myself on the side of this little creek. Slammed my

997
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: bow against the ground, just blew up an arrow. Still

998
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: can't find a deer, and ended up finding a dough in.

999
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: Two fawns down there that we're spending about four feet

1000
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: of their time walking on public and the rest an

1001
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: private so my buddies, my buddy and I, we called

1002
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: an audible drove to northern Oklahoma. I've told the story

1003
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: a million times. I go, I walk into a spot

1004
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: I picked out and set up a stand and literally

1005
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: grabbed a sandwich or something out of my pack who

1006
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: was like noon heard something behind me. Dope came up,

1007
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: shot her and I was like, I've spent ten minutes

1008
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: on this public land in no I mean literally we

1009
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: just showed up just out of the blue because we

1010
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: got our asses kicked on this other spot for three days.

1011
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: Killed that deer. The next morning, my buddy killed a doe.

1012
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: We got snowed in in a blizzard in Oklahoma, spent

1013
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: like twenty four hours literally not leaving the camp because

1014
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: it was wild, got out of that, went out, killed

1015
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: a buck seven seconds before we had to leave, And

1016
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: I just remember like most of that trip kicked my ass,

1017
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: Like most of it was me just failing hard. But

1018
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, you're in a place

1019
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: where there's like there should be good dear, you're just

1020
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: missing something and you've had some bad things go on,

1021
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I've seen this a lot,

1022
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: like when I used to be at bowhun or I

1023
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: used to have to do a certain amount of like

1024
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: media hunts, you know those I don't I guess I

1025
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: don't really even know if they're a thing now. They

1026
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: kind of are, but they were big back then, right

1027
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: because you could, you know, fly in a bunch of

1028
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: dudes who edited magazines or whatever and get a bunch

1029
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: of coverage out of it for the whole year or whatever,

1030
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: wine and dine type shit. And I would see people

1031
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: if it wasn't pretty easy. A lot of the people

1032
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: in the industry were like they're sleeping in by like

1033
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: day three, you know, like even on Turkey hunts and stuff,

1034
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: And you're like, man, that's like that's just like the

1035
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: opposite of how you approach it when it's hard, right,

1036
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Like you don't just give in. But like there is

1037
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: an easy mindset, And I think people look at an

1038
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: entire deer season and they go, you know, like I'm

1039
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: not feeling it today or I don't think it's going

1040
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: to be good tomorrow or right on down the line,

1041
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: so like I have time later. But like we talked

1042
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: about with you taking your daughter to her first college visit,

1043
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: like time's gonna go away, buddy, Like that deer season.

1044
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: That's like everybody's super excited that deer season is starting

1045
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: right now for most of us, or you know, if

1046
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: not now, very very soon in the next couple of weeks,

1047
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: and then it's gonna freaking fly by. It's gonna be Christmas,

1048
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna be over. And so you don't you just

1049
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: have to be like really aware of how you're treating

1050
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: those failures and like how you're reacting to them. And

1051
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I know, it's like easy to sit here and talk

1052
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: about them and be like, you're like, I'm sure that

1053
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: I threw a temper tantrum on that Oklahoma a few times,

1054
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure, I'm sure I did, because it was

1055
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: it was rough shit.

1056
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: For a while.

1057
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't know, you don't you just

1058
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: don't quit, Like it's just like that's just like a

1059
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: part of the thing. And I had a conversation with

1060
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: one of my daughters last night because they she started

1061
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: this three on three basketball league and she took a

1062
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, a fairly easy shot early in the first

1063
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: game and missed it, and so then she wouldn't shoot

1064
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: even when she was under and it's like she got

1065
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: fed the ball she's playing post whatever, she should be

1066
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: shooting right there. That's like there's no other option for

1067
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: you that's better than for you to do a little

1068
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: move and just take your shot. And but she's like

1069
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: worried about missing again. And I was like, honey, when

1070
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: we go deer hunting and we miss one, we don't

1071
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: stop shooting at them.

1072
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: Like shooter going to shoot, you know.

1073
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: Like it's time to just square up and take another one.

1074
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: But it's easy to get into that mindset of like

1075
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: it's like I'm going to do less because it's hard.

1076
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: It's like that's just not how that's not how you're

1077
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: going to get anywhere with something like bow hunting.

1078
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: This is just challenging.

1079
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shooter gonna shoot. It's gona be my mentality

1080
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: with the trad bow this year.

1081
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: You know, so I forgot have you have you killed

1082
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: dear with a tread bow before?

1083
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: No?

1084
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay no.

1085
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: I hunted one season with a trad bow very unsuccessfully

1086
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: years ago. And that was kind of what cured me

1087
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: of it a little bit for a long time, was

1088
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: that I was like, I just don't think this is

1089
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: going to be for me. But my mindset going into

1090
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 3: this year is just you know, deer that get within

1091
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: range are going to be in trouble of having some

1092
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: carbon flung at them this year, you know. And I'm

1093
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: going to try to start early with you know, as

1094
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: soon as the season comes in from you middle of September,

1095
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to try to just try to put

1096
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: blood on arrow as my goal, you know, as often

1097
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 3: as I can. The one thing you mentioned, though, I

1098
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: thought it was kind of funny, was you know, throwing

1099
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: that temper tantrum when things don't go your way, right

1100
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: cause I think I think sometimes people will misconstruct kind

1101
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 3: of what we're talking about, which is like they might

1102
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: take away from this conversation going, man Clinton, Tony got

1103
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: it like like they're so dialed when they go in

1104
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: like nothing gets them off course, right, That couldn't be

1105
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: further from the truth. Right. It's like I'm an abject,

1106
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: like I'm a complete mess a lot of times, you know.

1107
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: But it's not that you don't let yourself have those moments,

1108
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: because you have to have those, like when you're ticked

1109
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 3: off and you need to cuss and kick something or whatever.

1110
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: You know, there plenty of times I wanted to throw

1111
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: my bow out of the tree or whatever the case is.

1112
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: You know, you give yourself that moment, get it out right,

1113
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: and then right back to business, like, right back to

1114
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: what do I need to do? What's what's the next

1115
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: thing I gotta do? Right, But if you don't give

1116
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: yourself that chance to just kind of lose it, it

1117
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: just festers and just it will just eat at you. Right,

1118
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: you just kind of got to get it out and

1119
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: move on the other part you were kind of talking

1120
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: about where, you know, because you and I've talked about

1121
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: this a little bit, you know, probably years ago at

1122
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: this point. But there is a point that I do

1123
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: believe that the more you press, the worse you the

1124
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: worse off you are. Right, I think there is a

1125
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 3: time and a moment, you know, where you're better off

1126
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: maybe taking the next morning off right because maybe you're

1127
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: just fatigued. You've been getting after it for however many days,

1128
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's a little different if you're

1129
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: on a three day hunt or maybe a five day hunt.

1130
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: But some of the hunts that I go on, and

1131
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: I know that you've gone on, that could be two weeks,

1132
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: three weeks, whatever the case is. Where I'm just gonna

1133
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: speak for myself. I can't do you know, the three

1134
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: thirty four am wake up calls and you know, be

1135
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: up at dark and up late getting back to camp

1136
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: or whatever for three weeks straight and be on my game,

1137
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: so to speak to where I know myself well enough

1138
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: now that you know, I know, I have probably like

1139
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: four consecutive days, maybe a fifth. If it feels real,

1140
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: real good, like I'm close that I can just kind

1141
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: of push myself and get through it. But if it's

1142
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 3: not happening, I start to wonder a little bit. By

1143
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: not when I say happening that I'm killing something, but

1144
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm just not in the game. Let's say, for like

1145
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: four days, I start to question what is it that

1146
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing wrong? And is my fatigue starting to play

1147
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: a factor in me making mistakes that I don't typically

1148
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: make right? And so I try to I have that

1149
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: internal dialogue with myself, you know, to make sure that

1150
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not the reason why things are getting mucked up, right,

1151
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: or if it is, that I'm recognizing it and I'm

1152
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: fixing it. But if I'm if I'm kind of burning

1153
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: at both ends and I just ain't got the gas.

1154
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: It's a lot of times, probably because I'm screwing it up,

1155
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: or I'm just not paying attention, or I didn't see

1156
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: that deer coming in because I was kind of dozing off,

1157
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: or whatever the case is. That to me is like

1158
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: a sign that, you know what, you're better off sleeping

1159
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: in a couple extra hours tomorrow and then being ready

1160
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: to go the next three or four days, then getting

1161
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: up early and maybe screwing up the one chance you

1162
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: might get.

1163
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'll tell you.

1164
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: One of the lessons that I learned when I started

1165
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: traveling a lot for deer hunting that has really stuck

1166
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: with me is you know, like when you say that

1167
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: and you you know, you kind of learn yourself and

1168
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: you're like, I got four or five three thirty alarms

1169
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: in me and then I need a I need a

1170
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: morning or whatever. When you go at Western hunting sort

1171
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: of accelerates that learning curve, right Or you're like when

1172
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: you wake up in that bivsac elk hunting and it's

1173
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: like days, you learn a lot about yourself, especially if

1174
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: it's not going very well, like especially if it's not

1175
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: going to be a bugle fest and you're like, you're

1176
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: like that that can teach you a lot about who

1177
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: you really are pretty fast. But one of the things

1178
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: that sort of I guess I didn't see coming, but

1179
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I learned it was when I started

1180
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: traveling a lot, especially, you know, I went to a

1181
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of places back then where you didn't have cell

1182
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: phone receptions, so you were like you were just there,

1183
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: like you had no distraction, you had no real touch

1184
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: point to home, you know, like you know, might be

1185
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 1: able to go drive somewhere and get reception or whatever,

1186
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: but it was like an effort to do it, like

1187
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: you just couldn't pick up your phone and do it.

1188
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: What I realized was like I don't have anything else

1189
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: to do, like literally, like I can. I can devote

1190
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: my entire existence for the next four or five six

1191
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: days to this task or this you know, pursuit or

1192
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: whatever and get into a rhythm where it is so

1193
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: much easier for me in a hunt like that. That's

1194
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: like a six day hunt to wake up every day

1195
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: and feel pretty good, even even though I'm in a tent,

1196
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: even though like on paper, I shouldn't sleep as well

1197
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: as I do at home.

1198
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: But when I go.

1199
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Out for the day, I don't have that thought that

1200
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: I could be back in the office working or I

1201
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: could go pick the girls up.

1202
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: From school or whatever.

1203
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: It's like when you when you sort of like close

1204
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: that stuff out of your life on those hunts, you

1205
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: just realize like how much you sort of allow life

1206
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: to bleed into this stuff at home.

1207
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: And it's not like I'm not saying that. That's like

1208
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't even.

1209
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: Know if you can control it really when you're at home, right,

1210
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: like you can be more aware of it and you know,

1211
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: take care of your home life a little better or

1212
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: whatever and probably smooth that out some. But I think

1213
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget or easy to just not acknowledge.

1214
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're sitting here now dreaming about that rut

1215
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: cation you're going to take right and it's like, yeah,

1216
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: that's going to be great. But the odds of you

1217
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: really unplugging for seven days in a row and doing

1218
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: all days sits are pretty low because you'll be out

1219
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: there at you know, eleven o'clock in the afternoon and

1220
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: it's day three and you want to take a nap,

1221
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: or you want to go do something else, or it's

1222
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: too hot, too cold. It's like really easy to give

1223
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: into that stuff and it's okay, But like once you

1224
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: learn that, and that's I mean, that's one of the

1225
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: things that I preach the travel game a lot, because

1226
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: I think you just can't learn things about yourself and

1227
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: your hunting style and what you really like without taking

1228
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: yourself out of the environment that you're very, very used

1229
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: to and just going to try something different. Once like,

1230
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: you learn a lot about yourself and you bring those

1231
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: lessons home with you, you know, to your to your home, farm,

1232
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: your lease, whatever, and like that shit changes how you

1233
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: approach everything.

1234
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, in one hundred percent, and especially you

1235
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 3: were dead on with the whole the Western hunt. Yeah,

1236
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: especially when they're not bugling. How quickly you find out

1237
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 3: what you're made of. There's nothing worse than like multiple

1238
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: days of hiking mountains in silence, you know, to make

1239
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: you to make you go crazy, but you know what

1240
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: you're talking about, because it's a real thing, I think,

1241
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: at least for me locally. And last year was a

1242
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: big challenging and test being away from home as much

1243
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: as I was, you know, and living you know, the

1244
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: vagabond white tail lifestyle for as long as I did,

1245
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: because that draw to come home because I was like, man,

1246
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: my girls are only like two hours away. It's like

1247
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: I could get back home, and I was coming home

1248
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: like in between and like doing stuff with the family

1249
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: and like catching rounds at the gym and like getting

1250
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: a lift in and then running back and like I

1251
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: was fried, not just from the hunting, but the juggling

1252
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 3: of everything. And so there's definitely a real, a real

1253
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: benefit to just traveling somewhere and knowing you're going to

1254
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: be somewhere for six days where you can just kind

1255
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: of lock in because you learned so much, just like

1256
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: like you said about yourself, but you get a chance

1257
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: to really kind of try things that maybe you don't

1258
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: get the time to try because a lot of times,

1259
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: you know, you you might have an idea of something

1260
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: you want to do locally at home, but if you're

1261
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: working on a livinging, like I go, I'm gonna hunt Saturday,

1262
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: or I'm gonna hunt Sunday, and then I got to

1263
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: work this day, and then I got this thing with

1264
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: the family this day, and so you're just kind of

1265
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: go into your bag of a game right where it's like,

1266
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: what's the best stuff I can do, And that's only

1267
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: the only things I'm going to do, But it might

1268
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: not be the thing that's gonna work best in that scenario, right,

1269
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: And when you travel and you're gone for six days,

1270
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: it's like you kind of go through your bag of

1271
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: a game kind of quick. You know, you're like, I'm

1272
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: good at this, this and this, and I've already done

1273
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: those three things. It didn't work. It's like, what am

1274
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: I going to do now? And so now you go

1275
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: to like things you're like, man, I was thinking about

1276
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: doing this one time, said well let's try it, right,

1277
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: So that's the it's like the experimentation part happens. And

1278
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: that's a real thing. And in I think in pretty

1279
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: much every endeavor of life to a general generally speaking,

1280
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: and I see it a lot in like at the gym,

1281
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: in that practice, because a lot of what you do

1282
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: is you kind of level up and get better, especially

1283
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: if you're training with people who maybe aren't as as

1284
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: skilled as you, start to use your B and C

1285
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: game versus them and play with things you wouldn't do

1286
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: against someone who you kind of test yourself against it,

1287
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, right. And so at home, I

1288
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: feel like you're kind of testing yourself because you know

1289
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: it so well, right, So you're really kind of using

1290
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: your a game stuff when you're on the road and

1291
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: you're traveling and the environment is kind of a little

1292
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: bit of an unknown. You go through your a game stuff,

1293
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: but as soon as it doesn't work, you start to

1294
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: think about what else could I be doing, and you're

1295
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: way more it's a lot easier to say, man, it

1296
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: just didn't work out. That was new terrain, a new

1297
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: state for me. I've never been there before, never scouted it.

1298
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: I just showed up and hunted it and it didn't

1299
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: work out. So you're a lot more willing to accept

1300
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: that failure of trying new stuff whenever the odds are

1301
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: so stacked against you than you are of saying, man,

1302
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: I tried stuff that I don't typically do on my home,

1303
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: my farm or the public that I've hunted for twenty

1304
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: years and it didn't work out, Because then you feel

1305
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: a little bit less like I should have this figured

1306
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: out already, right, And so I think it takes a

1307
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: little bit of the pressure off you, which whenever you've

1308
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: removed the pressure, I think then you really kind of

1309
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: start to you start to really become the hunter you're

1310
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: supposed to be. I think, at least I found that

1311
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: in my experience and this year we're gonna tell. But

1312
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: then there's the family component of it too, like how

1313
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: do you keep the family happy and the balance like

1314
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: when you're traveling and you're out right like that's a

1315
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: touchy thing, and I'm gonna I'm going to test the

1316
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: limits this year, I think because last year was a

1317
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: lot right for the family. I was gone for like

1318
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: whatever it was, like thirty five days. I slept in

1319
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: the truck and trailer. And then this year, my plan

1320
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: is to head out to the Midwest. I think like

1321
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: the last week of I'll be there by the last

1322
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: week of October. So I'll leave like the third week

1323
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: sometime the end of the third week of October, and

1324
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: my plan is to not come back until I kill

1325
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: something or Thanksgiving, whichever happens first. So it's I'm gonna.

1326
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Speaker 2: Work out shape, buddy.

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01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we'll uh that's the that's the

1328
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 4: one perk of the of the daughter having her driver's

1329
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: license and being able to get herself to point A

1330
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: to point B, you know, like she can do all

1331
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: that stuff herself now.

1332
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: So so we'll see, we'll see, you know, we'll see

1333
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: how quickly I get a phone call, like hey, when

1334
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: you're coming back. We'll see how that plays out.

1335
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: I want, I want to back up a second, because

1336
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about going on the road,

1337
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 1: and you know, like AGG game doesn't work out, it's

1338
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: time to dip into the B game, because whatever, what

1339
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: else are you going to do?

1340
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: Right? I think I think that.

1341
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: That is like one of the most understated things about

1342
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: why traveling to hunts beneficial. And you know, I say

1343
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: this all the time, right, like, you don't have to

1344
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: go out of state. You don't have to draw that

1345
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I would tag like I look at my home state

1346
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: of Minnesota, in the different environments I can hunt in

1347
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: just in Minnesota, you know, I can go up into

1348
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: the right and hunt big wood stuff where there isn't

1349
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: an egg field for twenty five miles.

1350
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: I can go.

1351
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Left, you know, north, south, whatever and hit grassland and

1352
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: prairie potholes and cattails and places, you know, counties where

1353
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: there aren't you know, a.

1354
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: Whole section of trees in the whole freaking county.

1355
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: Right, I go to the southeast, and it's like I

1356
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: have two point zero with worst season structure. When you

1357
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: go do something where you don't have the option to

1358
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: go home, right, when you go do whatever trip that

1359
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: is is a long weekend somewhere or something like that.

1360
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: Not only do you do what you said where you're like,

1361
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm gonna be gaming the shit because

1362
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do and I have

1363
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: to do something. You also don't have that option to

1364
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 1: not go. And this is you know, I write about

1365
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: this and I talk about this all the time, where

1366
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: like modern white tail hunting advice, a lot of it

1367
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: is predicated on not hunting. You're being smart by not

1368
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: hunting now. You're being smart by not hunting mornings in

1369
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: the early season. You're being smart by not pushing it

1370
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: in mid October when you can just wait. And it's

1371
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: just not good advice for a lot of people. For

1372
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: some people. If you if you your primary goal is

1373
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: to kill a big one, that is great advice. If

1374
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: you have the farm and that's what you want, that's great.

1375
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: But for a lot of people who are like, I'm

1376
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: not I'm not killing the kind of deer I want, Like,

1377
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: it's probably more important for you to get the woodsmanship

1378
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: and go than it is for you to follow somebody

1379
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: else's playbook who has an amazing phon and they can

1380
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: run that strategy, right, So I think about that, like

1381
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: when I go on the road and it's like eighty

1382
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: five degrees and the winds out of the east and

1383
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: everything sucks right, Like where if you're at home, you're like,

1384
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: I am not hunting today, Like I'm going to do

1385
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: something else with my time. They'll be more productive. When

1386
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: you're on the road, you can't. So you're like, Okay,

1387
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: how do I figure it out? Do I go sit water?

1388
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: What do I do?

1389
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: And you know as well as I do. I mean

1390
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time you're out there, you hit

1391
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: those kind of conditions where it's like, man, if I

1392
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: was at home, I'd have a pretty good reason to

1393
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: not do this. But when I'm on the road and

1394
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: I have four or five six days, I don't have

1395
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: that choice. So I got to make every sit count

1396
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: and every day count. So you're like, how do I

1397
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: make the most of this shitty situation or this weather

1398
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: that's just working against me. When you're in a situation

1399
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: where that's like that's just what you have to do,

1400
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: Like you don't have the choice to go back and

1401
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: work and get a few hours in or whatever, it's

1402
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: like you really figure out out a lot about deer

1403
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: and about nature and about other hunters and how they're

1404
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: probably like the locals who are in the place that

1405
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,959
Speaker 1: you traveled to aren't going to go when it's eighty

1406
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: five degrees in the winds out of the east, right,

1407
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the only one out there, and all

1408
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden you learn about stuff like that. And

1409
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: I think for me personally, when I started traveling a lot,

1410
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: hunting a lot of public land, I think not having

1411
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: an out was maybe the best thing that happened to me.

1412
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there's like.

1413
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: A lot of benefits to just showing up and being like,

1414
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn a new environment. I'm gonna learn

1415
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: the deer here, and I'm gonna figure it out. All

1416
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: that stuff's great, But also just not having an out

1417
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: is huge because then you're like, I mean, you know,

1418
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: like I'm kind of known for hunting water a lot, right,

1419
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, one of the reasons I hunt water

1420
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot is because I'm in a lot of places

1421
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know what else to do

1422
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: here that would maybe be as consistent as deer's thirst, right, So,

1423
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: like you know, like it's not like some grand like

1424
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't have some like grand strategy. Like a lot

1425
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: of times I'm like struggling and I want to be

1426
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: around deer, and that's just one of the easier ways

1427
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: to do it, especially on public where the food source

1428
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: thing is often not as cut and dry, right, Like,

1429
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: if I'm on a public land somewhere that has fields,

1430
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm almost never going to hunt them because everybody's going

1431
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: to hunt them. So then you're like, well, am i

1432
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: going to tap into this acorn drop or I'm going

1433
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: to tap into this browse thing or is like something

1434
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: that could work very well if you can find it,

1435
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: but also could be really hard to find and work

1436
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. So I'm like, well,

1437
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: almost waters easier, so I'm going to start here. And

1438
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: oftentimes when you're doing that, you're like, oh man, the

1439
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: acorn drop is here. Now I have water and food.

1440
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: Now I have something. But just not having that out

1441
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: is huge.

1442
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, not having the out is I mean if it

1443
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 3: forces your hand. Right when we were talking you know

1444
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 3: earlier about the discipline, it kind of forces the discipline

1445
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: to a degree, right, But the one thing you kind

1446
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 3: of talk talking about, well, you know, people will make

1447
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: an excuse, you know, or it'll be the reason why

1448
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: they don't go hunt that day because of the bad

1449
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: weather or it's warm, or whatever the case is. But

1450
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: the one thing that's tried and true that if you

1451
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: talk to anybody that's you know, a good hunter and

1452
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 3: killed a lot of deer, however you want to qualify it,

1453
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: the one thing the wall tell you for the most

1454
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: part is time and seat. If you want to kill

1455
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: deer like of whatever caliber, the more time you spend

1456
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: trying to do it, the more likely you are to

1457
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: do it right because there's those opportunities and those encounters

1458
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 3: are are super fleeting, and you never know when they're

1459
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: going to happen. Plenty of people have killed your own

1460
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: bad weather days or warm weather days or whatever the

1461
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: case is. I'm a great example, you know, Like I've

1462
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 3: the biggest one I've killed was on an eighty degree

1463
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: day right where it's like most people probably wouldn't hunted

1464
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 3: that day. But I think the one thing too, talking

1465
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 3: about mindset a little bit, that you know, I try

1466
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: to I try to do I'm you and I are

1467
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: similar in the way that like our minds like we're

1468
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: both like we're both slightly pessimistic because we're very pragmatic, right, like,

1469
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 3: like I see things for what they are, and I

1470
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: don't make them out to be more or less than

1471
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: what they are, right, But there is a little bit

1472
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: of there. There are times, and it is helpful when

1473
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: you can start to fool yourself a little bit in

1474
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: being more positive because it because it does help. And

1475
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 3: so especially on those travel hunts when I'm not getting

1476
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: the weather that I want and the plan that I

1477
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: have isn't playing out because I'm either I'm getting more

1478
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: rain than I expected, or I'm getting more hot weather

1479
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: than I expected, or I'm getting the wrong wind or

1480
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: whatever the case is. Is that you know, it's just

1481
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 3: like the you're when you're not looking for something is

1482
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: whenever the thing that you really really want smacks you

1483
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: in the face. Right. And so what I try to

1484
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: do is I try to think about, Okay, this is

1485
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 3: crap situation is how I think has how I understand

1486
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: it in my pragmatic brain, right, But I try to

1487
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: fool myself and say, how do I make this How

1488
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: do I make this situation great? Like what would be

1489
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: the thing that like would make this situation killer?

1490
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: Right?

1491
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 3: If it's hot to your point, like, man, this is

1492
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: the best day to hunt water, best day right to

1493
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: do that? Right? You know I'm not I'm getting super

1494
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: high winds, right, And you know people have done studies

1495
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: and deer typically like that, like sweet swat that ten

1496
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: to fifteen, ten to seventeen mile per hour windish you know, situation.

1497
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: But you're you're in the planes and you're getting thirty

1498
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: mile p hour rippers for the next four days. Right,

1499
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like, awesome, how can I like, what

1500
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: is the best situation for this thirty mile per hour

1501
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 3: win for the next four days? It's like, well, probably

1502
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 3: spot and stock them would be really good if you

1503
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 3: can find one bedt if they don't want to move,

1504
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: you've got the wind noise to your advantage, right, and

1505
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: you've got a constant win that you can now play, right.

1506
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: And so I try to Maybe it's as I get older,

1507
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: I try to look I try to not be so pessimistic, right,

1508
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 3: and I try to find like what is the opportunity

1509
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: in this, And a lot of times that's where you

1510
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 3: find your success because it's it forces you to think

1511
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: a little bit outside the box. The deer maybe having

1512
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: to do something different than what they typically are doing, right.

1513
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 3: You're having to do something outside of what you typically

1514
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 3: want to do right. And a lot of times, man,

1515
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's deer hunting or sports or whatever,

1516
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: that kind of unexpected thing is kind of where the

1517
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: magic happens a lot of times, right, And it's not

1518
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 3: a mystery as to why, but it's I really think

1519
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,480
Speaker 3: it's because you've kind of forced, you know, the situation

1520
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: out of your comfort zone and you had to kind

1521
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 3: of remove the pressure and just kind of let it

1522
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 3: come to you, right, however it's going to come to you, right.

1523
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 3: Football game last night, I know I used two football analogies,

1524
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 3: but like the Ravens and the Bills, right, like the

1525
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 3: whole Like I've went to begs. I thought the game

1526
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 3: was over, and I'll wake up this morning and find

1527
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 3: that they kicked the field goal with time expiring to

1528
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 3: win the game, and I'm like, dude, like that fumble

1529
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 3: and like the whole ending of it, Like I thought

1530
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: it was a crap ending to a game, but ended

1531
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: up being awesome. Right, But they made it that way, right,

1532
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 3: Opportunities fell, they made the best of it, you know,

1533
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: and they and they had to comeback, you know, come

1534
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: back win. And so I think that you know, when

1535
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: you're hunting, when you kind of have those unideal circumstances,

1536
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 3: if you just take a second step back and reframe

1537
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: it to what does this situation present the best for

1538
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 3: and then just go do that thing. Whether you've done

1539
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: it before or not, whether you're experienced at it or not,

1540
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, because the worst case scenario is you're going

1541
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: to learn something and now you've got that back pocket

1542
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: from wherever you have that happen again, right, and then

1543
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: you're a little bit more confident the second time, best

1544
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 3: case scenario, you have to feel goal with time expiring situation.

1545
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: Right, dude.

1546
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: So that podcast I brought up with Alex Hanold on

1547
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: Huberman's podcast, Alex talked about how.

1548
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: I think he's forty now.

1549
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: He talked about how he doesn't have a lot of

1550
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: surprises climbing anymore, but when he does, they're awesome. And

1551
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: so it's like some move that he didn't think he

1552
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: could make, or some pitch that he did a certain

1553
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: way or something, and he said, you know, when I

1554
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: was younger, like a lot of that shit happened and

1555
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: it was awesome, and it like fueled me now I'm

1556
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: more confident. You know, he's been there, done that, but

1557
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: he's like that still happens, and you could hear it,

1558
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: like like that's still driving him. And I think so

1559
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: often we look at we look at like white tail

1560
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: hunting is like there's a way to do this where

1561
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: there won't be any surprises anymore, right, Like you'll figure

1562
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: out the program to scout, or you'll figure out, you know,

1563
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: a bed hunting strategy or a water hunting strategy, or

1564
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: you'll get that property that you can curate until they

1565
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: come out Halloween every year or whatever.

1566
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: But that's fine, but like the surprises are what's fun.

1567
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1568
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: It's like when you do go and it's eighty degrees

1569
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: because you have to because you're twenty seven hours from

1570
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: home and you have nothing else to do, and you

1571
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: kill that dear or see it. That's like the fuel, right,

1572
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: and like we're it's hard to like look for that,

1573
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: Like you can't just like you can't structure your hunting

1574
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: really to find that other than just going new places

1575
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: or trying the traad boat thing or something like that.

1576
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: Like there are ways to do it, but like we

1577
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: often retreat from that instead of just being like well,

1578
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: here's the here's the scenario. I want to hunt. I

1579
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: have time, so now I'm going to do something. And

1580
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: like the more that you just do that, like the

1581
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: more that you hunt. And I I know this is

1582
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm beating a dead horse here, but like that's one

1583
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: of the things that bothers me so much about that

1584
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: advice of staying out, staying out, staying safe just to

1585
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: kill a big one. It's like your cost, You're gonna

1586
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: cost yourself. Like in the short term, you might kill

1587
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: a big one doing that, and that might be like

1588
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: a that like might be a strategic means to an end, right,

1589
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: but overall, it's not making you a better hunter to

1590
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: spend less time in the woods. Like it's just not

1591
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: like you might be a more successful hunter. And and

1592
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, like, you know, picking your shots isn't

1593
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: a good idea. Like a lot of us, even when

1594
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: we can hunt, we do play it safe in certain situations,

1595
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: Like I know that I will, especially if I'm on

1596
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: the road and i only have like one thing going on,

1597
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: like if the wind's not right or something, I'm gonna

1598
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: sand bag it and play back. But I'm gonna do

1599
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: something that I think will work still, right, you know,

1600
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna wait for the wind to turn

1601
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: or the weather or whatever. And you know, sitting that

1602
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: two three days out, but you're still in the game

1603
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: doing something, and it's like when you're when you're doing that,

1604
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm being smart by not going there, but

1605
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm also being smart by going here because they can't

1606
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: go there. And you know, like sometimes you surprise yourself

1607
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: and you kill vig Onun and you're like, well, I

1608
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't need that other shit, you.

1609
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: Know, right, Yeah, I think the surprise factor is I

1610
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 3: think is is key. And for me, the further I go,

1611
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: you know, in this in this journey, the more it becomes,

1612
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 3: the more it becomes important, you know. I think going

1613
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: back to the trad bow thing, right, because you're kind

1614
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 3: of you know, you mentioned like you add things to

1615
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: it to kind of like get the excitement, get the

1616
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 3: new experience, get the surprise, right, And I would say

1617
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 3: there's some of that with the with the trad bow.

1618
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 3: I think the the unintended consequence I think for me

1619
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: and Carry and maybe not unintended, maybe it was slightly intended,

1620
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: is that I have to be a better hunter to

1621
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: carry that thing, ye, right, Like I got to get

1622
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: closer than I've ever gotten before. My shot selection has

1623
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: to be better than it's ever ever been before. Right,

1624
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 3: And those to me are like the exciting things, right,

1625
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 3: Like it's like, how am I going to pull this off?

1626
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 3: Like I don't know yet, you know what I mean, Like,

1627
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how it's going to play out, you know,

1628
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: to your point, it's you know that the one that

1629
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 3: I killed in the planes, that was a good one, right,

1630
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 3: Like you know some people might want to try but

1631
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 3: go back and replicate that, right, And so it's like,

1632
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 3: how do I just continue to do that over and

1633
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: over again? Right? But that's not like to me, that's

1634
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 3: not the that's not the part that gets me excited.

1635
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: What gets me excited is how do I make this different?

1636
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 3: How do I how do I get the surprise factor again? Right?

1637
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 3: Even if I'm hunting the same general areas, you're the

1638
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: same units or whatever the case is. You know, for me,

1639
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 3: it was, well, let's try to go back and do

1640
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: that now, and let's do it with a long bow. Right,

1641
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 3: Let's see if we can do that, Like, because if

1642
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: I do be the surprise of my lifetime, you know

1643
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 3: what I mean, like, if I can decoy one in

1644
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 3: of that caliber and kill it with a long bow

1645
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: and get like get sub fifteen you know, sub fifteen yards,

1646
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 3: Like that's bananas, Like that will be just an incredible

1647
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: experience and I will be. You will not find a

1648
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 3: person more surprised than me if it happens.

1649
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: I've killed a couple with trad bows in my life

1650
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: and it has always been freaking awesome because of that.

1651
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: Because you're like, yeah, it's just it is hard to

1652
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: describe the level of.

1653
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,959
Speaker 2: Disadvantage it is when you're used to using a compound.

1654
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it is a huge disadvantage, not

1655
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: only just everybody thinks like you know, shot distance, but

1656
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: also just like maneuvering in a tree, maneuvering in a

1657
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: ground line, anything like that. When you think about a

1658
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, an average compound that might maybe like twenty

1659
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: nine to thirty three inches axled axle, and then you

1660
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: grab a freaking re curve, then you grab a long bow,

1661
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: and now you're at like sixty inches or whatever they are.

1662
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: You're like, it's a totally different thing. Like you can't

1663
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: just shoot behind your tree now, you know, Like you

1664
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: can't just set up on the ground here and have

1665
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: your limb tips clear in everything. It's like a different thing,

1666
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: and it's it feels pretty freaking good. Yeah, buddy, we

1667
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: are out of time here. As always, it's so much

1668
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: fun talking to you. Where can people listen to you

1669
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: spit and knowledge every week?

1670
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just truths from the stand everywhere, YouTube, Spotify, Apple,

1671
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: you know, wherever you wherever you get your white tail information.

1672
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 3: I'm probably there somewhere, so it's all those places.

1673
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: Christmas socials are the same, social.

1674
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 3: The same, just truth from the stand. On Instagram, I'm

1675
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: not really on Facebook much. I don't do the TikTok thing.

1676
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 3: I don't have any fancy dances. So that's pretty much why.

1677
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: You're not Mark.

1678
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, buddy, have a great one, are you too.

1679
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks. Make sure to tune

1680
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: in every week for more white tail goodness. I'm your

1681
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,719
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1682
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,040
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1684
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1692
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1693
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