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Speaker 2: A big idea a new world order.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know they're lying. They tricked me once, but

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Penn, your host.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be with you as always for a

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Speaker 3: special edition, episode number two forty two, coming to you

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday night, September twenty fourth. Good morning to Anna.

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Speaker 3: We have back in studio today, someone who's getting to

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Speaker 3: be a regular guest, Mohammed Ahman, who I have I've

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Speaker 3: We're a little bit like ebony and Ivory. A little

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Speaker 3: we make some nice music. Hello. Nice to have you

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Speaker 4: Thank you again, Professor Penn on tiget dot com. I

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Speaker 4: I hope you could see him.

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Speaker 3: This guy is amazing he's trying to stay behind the

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Speaker 3: That's exactly correct. Young man finding his political chops, establishing

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Speaker 3: Tanner a public thank you. You guys are welcome. I

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Speaker 3: didn't expect this. Well I didn't either, But as long

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Speaker 3: Mohammed is in today. We're still in the blast zone

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Speaker 3: in right now. Mohammed, thank you for coming in. Let's

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Speaker 3: Awakening, Something is awakening, something is awakened. You can feel it.

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Speaker 4: I went to a vigil, a vigil, vigil. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Memorial, Okay, Mourning morning. Did you see people were actually sadden?

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Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, something is happening here? And then

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Speaker 3: What does it mean? And awakening is happening? The lions

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Speaker 4: The lions are waking up? The people who believe in

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Speaker 5: Ninety thousand people pucked it.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like that before. It's yes, it

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Speaker 3: We're talking ten times that amount. So a spiritual revival

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Speaker 4: What is the role of Lucifer in islaman withy Buki, the.

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Speaker 5: What do you consider to be the defining issues of

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Speaker 5: our day?

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Speaker 6: Well, there's several To kind of bring it to a

439
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Speaker 6: metaphysical realm.

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Speaker 5: What is truth?

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Speaker 6: And what is true, and that kind of explains the

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Speaker 6: whole transgender debate, it explains kind of the idea of

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Speaker 6: racial politics in America. So definitely, objective versus subjective existence

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Speaker 6: is one of the biggest issues, no doubt. But if

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Speaker 6: I kind of had to distill it down to the

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Speaker 6: issue that impacts that which impacts all the other issues,

447
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Speaker 6: which is what we focus on at Turning Point USA,

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Speaker 6: it's education. How we educate young people is one of

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Speaker 6: the most, if not the most important issue for a

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Speaker 6: civilization to continue. That impacts our spiritual health, our mental health,

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Speaker 6: our physical health, our civilizational health. And we've done a

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Speaker 6: pretty poor job of it. We've done the opposite. Even

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Speaker 6: doctrinated young children, we have filled them up with bad ideas.

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Speaker 6: We've told them to hate themselves and hate the country

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Speaker 6: and believe there's no God. And then there's other issues

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Speaker 6: as well, decline sovereignty, internationalist forces trying to crush America,

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Speaker 6: a guilt ridden nation that has strayed from the Lord.

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Speaker 6: A weak church, an increasingly weak and passive church with

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Speaker 6: obvious exceptions, right obvious, which we've talked about, and that's

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Speaker 6: not an exhaustive list. So yeah, I mean these are

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Speaker 6: some massive issues, a spiritual battle that it seems as

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Speaker 6: if so many people don't even want to admit exists.

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Speaker 6: So I could focus on any of those, but that's

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Speaker 6: that's definitely a starting point.

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Speaker 7: So it seems like when most people identify with you,

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Speaker 7: rather than immediately say well, he's a religious person, they

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Speaker 7: refer to you more as a political person. And yet

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Speaker 7: faith is central to who you are, what you do,

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Speaker 7: and your I'm not going to say your politics are

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Speaker 7: formed from that, but your.

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Speaker 5: Life approach is basically biblically based.

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Speaker 7: So how does someone who is so biblically based find

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Speaker 7: themselves in the midst of so many controversial political things?

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Speaker 7: How has that emerged or how has your voice found

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Speaker 7: us way into those places?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been a Christian since fifth grade and I've

477
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Speaker 6: always just kind of been a political animal. I've just

478
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Speaker 6: kind of enjoyed trying to call out lies and deceit

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Speaker 6: and you know, untruth and mistruth, I guess you could say.

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Speaker 6: And I don't like bullies, and I don't like the

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Speaker 6: strong terrorizing the weak. I've never liked that. And that's

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Speaker 6: a moral claim, by the way, that comes from the Bible.

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Speaker 6: So politics kind of puts all that together, I will

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Speaker 6: be honest. So in twenty twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen,

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Speaker 6: I felt a lot more passive about talking about my

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Speaker 6: faith because I was kind of told not to both

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Speaker 6: by pastors and politicians. Wow, if you think about it,

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Speaker 6: pastors like, don't you dare bring that in here? Don't

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Speaker 6: bring it in the church. I grew up in a

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Speaker 6: church environment that you do not talk about politics, you

491
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Speaker 6: do not talk about philosophy. You just talk about the Bible.

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Speaker 6: We just do the gospel. That's it, which, of course

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Speaker 6: is I believe unbiblical right Niemiah, Jeremiah, Esther, Mordecai, Daniel,

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Speaker 6: amongst many others. We're all political figures, yeah, facetted and

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Speaker 6: prayed for the nation endeavors, Yeah, exactly, the counselors to

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Speaker 6: the case. So there's many examples of that. But then

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Speaker 6: also politicians like, oh and now keep that Christian stuff away.

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Speaker 6: We just care about tax cuts and all this other nonsense.

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Speaker 6: And it was seventeen eighteen nineteen. You know, you get older,

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Speaker 6: things start to clarify more. And met Rob McCoy, who

501
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Speaker 6: is my pastor and does such a great job, and

502
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Speaker 6: he really kind of changed my perspective on that. But look,

503
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Speaker 6: I don't blame people for saying that I'm a political guy.

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Speaker 6: That is my day job, right, And so I'm focused

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Speaker 6: on the second most important thing that I think I

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Speaker 6: think a human being can focus on. So then of

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Speaker 6: course everyone says, what's the first thing? Okay, Well, the

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Speaker 6: first thing is winning souls for Jesus Christ, the most

509
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Speaker 6: important thing. Well, then, Charlie, what's the second thing to

510
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Speaker 6: make sure you can do the first thing? It's good,

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Speaker 6: it's my day job.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 7: So when we talk about believers and standing up for

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Speaker 7: our rights, what does the Bible say about getting involved?

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Speaker 3: I know you touched on it, but what what should

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Speaker 3: we do?

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's more specifically, what should we biblic do

518
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Speaker 7: as believers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and some.

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Speaker 6: People believe that the church or Christian should not comment

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Speaker 6: ever about local politics or about being a citizen. They say,

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Speaker 6: all we do is the Gospel and we don't get

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Speaker 6: engaged in those sorts of things. Well, then there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of verses that they're going to have to explain

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Speaker 6: with that sort of a position. Jeremiah twenty ninety seven,

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Speaker 6: demand the welfare of the nation of the city of

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Speaker 6: which you are in, because your welfare is tied to

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Speaker 6: your nation's welfare. That's the Lord speaking. And Jeremiah twenty

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Speaker 6: nine to seven. Now in every church you'll go to,

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Speaker 6: you'll probably hear Jeremiah twenty nine to eleven, which is

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Speaker 6: one of the most quoted scriptures, for I know the

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Speaker 6: plans I have laid in front of you, But rarely

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Speaker 6: do you hear about Jeremiah twenty ninety seven, which is

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Speaker 6: a commandment to care about what's happening in the local

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Speaker 6: nation or city. Not to mention Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah.

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Speaker 6: Let's just focus on Daniel in particular. Daniel fastened and

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Speaker 6: prayed for the well being of the nation that.

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Speaker 8: He was in.

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Speaker 6: And so Daniel was faced with a choice that the

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Speaker 6: American Church was face that Steve Smotherman was faced with,

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Speaker 6: that legacy church was faced with. It was the Daniel trial.

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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you before we go any further, ninety

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Speaker 6: eight percent of American churches failed the Daniel trial. And

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Speaker 6: the Daniel trial was very clear. In Daniel six, there

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Speaker 6: was a conspiracy, a legitimate conspiracy kind of launched against Daniel,

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Speaker 6: where I forget the names of certain individuals that then

547
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Speaker 6: lobbied King Neberkinezer basically saying, we don't like this Daniel guy.

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Speaker 6: He has too much influence, kind of like the American Church,

549
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Speaker 6: isn't it, And we don't like what they're doing. So

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Speaker 6: we're going to pass a series of measures that are

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Speaker 6: in defiance to Old Testament commandments from the Torah, and

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Speaker 6: Daniel's gonna have to choose whether or not to obey

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Speaker 6: God or to obey this government edict. And one of

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Speaker 6: the orders was that you are not able to pray

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Speaker 6: in a certain capacity, especially in public and facing the city.

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Speaker 6: So Daniel hears about this, and the scriptures tell us

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Speaker 6: that Daniel was grieved by it. But then Daniel made

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Speaker 6: a conscious decision. Daniel opened up the window for all

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Speaker 6: to see, and he intentionally disobeyed the government and the

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Speaker 6: king's orders, and he prayed to the city for all

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Speaker 6: the people to see. So that was an act of

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Speaker 6: what would be first called Old Testament civil disobedience. That

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Speaker 6: was that's the equivalent of you being here at church tonight.

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Speaker 6: Now all of you know the story of Daniels and

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Speaker 6: Daniel allions Den. That's how he got an alliance den

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Speaker 6: We don't always talk about that, like, oh yeah, he's

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Speaker 6: an alliance then, and God delivered him from that. And

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Speaker 6: of course that's the other part of the stories that

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Speaker 6: God will never forsake his children when you obey his commands,

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Speaker 6: and that's a very important thing. We're the first nation

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Speaker 6: ever founded ever where are people who founded the country

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Speaker 6: voluntarily gave up power. Wow, it's never happened before. The

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Speaker 6: people who wrote the constitution got less powerful when they

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Speaker 6: wrote it. It's never happened before. We're the only country

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Speaker 6: where you could say we have a date and a birthday.

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Speaker 6: Not at the time. For example, what is China's birthday?

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Speaker 6: They're like, I don't know, like six hundred BC. Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's not very specific. Like what's France's birthday?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: They kind of came up. And the fact we have

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Speaker 6: a date's a big deal. Why because we made specific

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Speaker 6: moral claims. We said that when in the course of

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Speaker 6: human events is necessary for one people that issolve the

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Speaker 6: political bands, that ties the one to the other, the

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Speaker 6: separate but equal station, that goes on to say the

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Speaker 6: laws of nature and nature is God.

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Speaker 3: That's a big deal.

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Speaker 6: And we made moral claims of that and with fifty

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Speaker 6: five fifty six of the signers of the Declaration of

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Speaker 6: Independence were Bible believing, church attending Christians were the most charitable, generous, productive,

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Speaker 6: open minded, accepting country and the history of the planet.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I think we're exceptional.

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Speaker 5: That's awesome, Charlie.

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Speaker 7: What advice would you give to our viewers who are

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Speaker 7: afraid to take on controversial issues?

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Speaker 6: It is hard, So you just have to admit one

597
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Speaker 6: truth and then you could chart your course from there,

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Speaker 6: which is you will not be able to get your

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Speaker 6: country back and keep everything you have. It's impossible. You

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Speaker 6: will lose friends, you'll lose contracts, you'll lose relationships, but

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Speaker 6: you will gain in wisdom and encourage and you'll actually

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00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 6: end up gaining in friendships that matter. So no, that

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Speaker 6: the fear is totally correct. If those things matter.

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Speaker 5: To you, What can we do to stay informed and

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Speaker 5: not get overwhelmed?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's the other thing where people say what

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Speaker 6: can I do?

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Speaker 3: What can I do?

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00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: What can I do?

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Speaker 3: Learn?

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Speaker 6: Every day? Dedicate time to learn. I love learning and

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00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 6: learning is so important because it will make you less

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Speaker 6: anxious about what's happening around you, and so For example,

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Speaker 6: if you know the characteristics of a constitutional republic and

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Speaker 6: where they're trying to head us, you have such clarity

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Speaker 6: on what their plan is, and then you'll be informed

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Speaker 6: and empowered on how to stop it. You'll know what

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Speaker 6: the constitution says and does, separation of powers, consent of governed,

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Speaker 6: independent judiciary, all these are unique characteristics of a constitutional republic.

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Speaker 6: And I know a lot of people watching this are

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Speaker 6: just there. I feel like I'm losing my country. I

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Speaker 6: feel like I'm losing this. And there's two two ways that.

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Speaker 6: There's three ways. There's three ways people react to it, right,

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Speaker 6: they react to it by being despondent and they just

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Speaker 6: check out, I'm done. Yeah, wrong answer. Yeah, Daniel fasted

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Speaker 6: and prayed for his nation Jeremiah twenty nine to seven,

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Speaker 6: which is demand the welfare of the nation of which

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Speaker 6: you are in, because your welfare is tied to the

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Speaker 6: nation's welfare. That's the lords speaking.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's good.

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Speaker 6: The next category is people get radical. They start believing

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Speaker 6: weird stuff. Stop that, Like if it comes from some

633
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Speaker 6: sort of weird website that has like fifty numbers in it,

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Speaker 6: it's just stop. Stop going down the rabbit hole and

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Speaker 6: all that. I mean, that's a big problem. Yeah, So

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Speaker 6: then like there must be a deeper plan at play.

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Speaker 6: Probably isn't, actually, I know all the actors, Probably not, okay,

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Speaker 6: or the third thing you do is just act, make

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Speaker 6: hope happen, do everything you can, and leave the rest

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Speaker 6: up to the Lord.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tanner. It was quite a tribute in his

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Speaker 3: own words to what he was working on one of the.

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Speaker 4: Months speak for himself. You have digital technology.

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Speaker 3: I've written a historical record of his commitment to his

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Speaker 3: faith and his country. But he said the number one

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Speaker 3: thing is to bring people to God. Now he said

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Speaker 3: it in his own Christian way. He said, you know,

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Speaker 3: save souls for Christ. There's something along that line. But

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Speaker 3: what he was really saying is help people find faith

650
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Speaker 3: the most important thing and the second most important thing

651
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Speaker 3: was make sure you're doing the first thing. That's pretty

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Speaker 3: a pretty clear mission in his life that he had.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he said quite clearly the first thing is

654
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Speaker 4: he's a child of God, believe in Christ is king.

655
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Speaker 4: And more importantly, the second thing is he wants to

656
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Speaker 4: maintain a country where you can be a child.

657
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Speaker 3: Of God, a believer in Christ.

658
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Speaker 4: We will do the same as a Jewish person, you

659
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Speaker 4: want the same as a Muslim, will want the same

660
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Speaker 4: as Buddhist. He induced the people across this country, they

661
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Speaker 4: want to keep the same values.

662
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Speaker 3: Freedom of religion.

663
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Speaker 4: Religion is essential, It is essential. It is the bedrock

664
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Speaker 4: of our society. It is the reason why the people

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Speaker 4: give up power on that part way by fifty five

666
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Speaker 4: of the fifty six sinus of the Declaration touchgoing believers

667
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Speaker 4: of Christ.

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Speaker 3: That even I know.

669
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Speaker 4: They were Christians. But these Christians decided not to create

670
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Speaker 4: a geocratic society. Why is that they created a constitutional

671
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Speaker 4: republic of democratic means.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have my own theory about it. I'd love

673
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Speaker 3: to hear it. Well, republicanism as a philosophy, you know,

674
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Speaker 3: I think it's Is it the Republic of Somalia? Is

675
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: it called because it's the Republic of Mexico? For example?

676
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: There are many public calls itself a republic. Many countries

677
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: call themselves a republic. And does this harken back to

678
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: the philosophy of republicanism. Probably because all these modern nation

679
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: states grew out of the Empire of Europe, the colonial enterprise,

680
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: and republicanism was a reaction to the hereditary right of

681
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: kings and queens who ruled in association with the Catholic Church.

682
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: The Catholic Church was wound up, and then of course

683
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Speaker 3: the Anglican Church for the English downstream. When that, you know,

684
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: the church bifurcated, and you know corruption, people say, oh,

685
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Speaker 3: the church is corrupt. No, the church is not corrupt.

686
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Speaker 3: The people in the church are corrupt. The institutions are fine,

687
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: the ideas of the institutions are soaring and majestic. But

688
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: we the people, because of those that light and dark

689
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: in our souls, well a lot of people succumbed to

690
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Speaker 3: the dark for power, for money. And I think when

691
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Speaker 3: the founders, and this is creating a narrative, this is

692
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Speaker 3: my feeling my study. When they created the republic, they

693
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Speaker 3: were concerned to not have the priests intermediating between the

694
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Speaker 3: people and the government, because the priests in Europe, in

695
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: the colonial enterprise were actually part of the problem, not

696
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: part of the solution. So now I think that's the

697
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: frame they came out of. So they wanted to keep

698
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Speaker 3: that priestly class separate from the government class, and they

699
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Speaker 3: erected a whole new group of priests called lawyers rule

700
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Speaker 3: of law. So it was an experiment it was an experiment,

701
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Speaker 3: and I think that the founders believed It's very clear

702
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: they believed that without a people that were a moral

703
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: and adjust people, this kind of governance, this kind of

704
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Speaker 3: self governance, I think was called wholly inadequate to govern

705
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Speaker 3: a people that were not of faith.

706
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Speaker 4: Loweld was taking bets how long the system would lost.

707
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Speaker 3: Yes, it was, and in fact some of the people

708
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Speaker 3: when they were betting, they were actually trying to help

709
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Speaker 3: it come apart at the scene teams, and we're still

710
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Speaker 3: dealing with that to this very day. That's a big problem.

711
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: We've been an underdog as America.

712
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Speaker 4: Even though we're super power and powerful and one of

713
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Speaker 4: the greatest nations and the freest nation on the planet,

714
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Speaker 4: we're still an underdog mentality.

715
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Speaker 3: What kind of mentality? Underdog? Underdog? You say? The people

716
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Speaker 3: of the United States have the underdogs.

717
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Speaker 4: Everybody is betting this country is gonna split apart anytime soon.

718
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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know that because I grew up here.

719
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Speaker 3: So you're saying that people are putting down bets nations.

720
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Speaker 3: Oh no, not only nations are I'll give you a

721
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Speaker 3: very good example. Okay, can you move the mindel low closer?

722
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Speaker 3: To your mouth.

723
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Speaker 4: I'll give you a very good example, okay. And a

724
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Speaker 4: good example I'm going to give you is when Charlie

725
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: Kak got killed, the Russian, the Chinese and the other

726
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Speaker 4: boats from other countries try to instigate a civil.

727
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Speaker 3: War in America. Ah, yes they did.

728
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Speaker 4: Even the Governor of Utah picked up on that because

729
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: it was told this is my area of field of expertise.

730
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: For ten years, eleven years are in a non profit

731
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: until this year when I close it down, and I

732
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: was studying this information and how it works. So what

733
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 4: you're thinking is your friend Charlie in Iowa Waterloo, it

734
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 4: is actually a Chinese boat basically cranking out a million messages,

735
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Speaker 4: getting paid fifty cents per message by the Chinese government.

736
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Speaker 3: And undermining our socials with the buildings.

737
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Speaker 4: Same thing with many countries. In fact, any sophisticated country

738
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: in this planet has an influence campaign going in America

739
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: at any given time to get to you to do their.

740
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Speaker 3: Bidding, which is to hit one another.

741
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Speaker 4: Pretty much, divide you and rule you because everyone is

742
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: taking bets. The bets are coming in, and the bet

743
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: is this country will tear itself apart if we just

744
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Speaker 4: kick it or push it a little bit.

745
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Speaker 9: I wonder if the the goal funds me, the goalfund

746
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 9: me is that we're open for Tyler Robinson. I wonder

747
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 9: if those were complete bots, because I just can't that's

748
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 9: something that like I can see making so many people mad,

749
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Speaker 9: and it's like nobody in the right mind actually makes

750
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Speaker 9: the goalfund me for this right.

751
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Speaker 4: Well, we do have rustics in this country too, Yeah,

752
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: and that we will talk about later on. And I'd

753
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: be more than happy to come back to this issue again, Tala.

754
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: The reason why I will defend Charlie Kakham in the morning,

755
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 4: it's because of the talk field. Alexis the talkfield, the

756
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: guy who wrote Democracy in America in eighteen sixty five.

757
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Speaker 3: I think, mm hmm.

758
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: Everybody should read a book. It clearly defines the talkville.

759
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Speaker 3: This is a very famous book. Yeah, and I agree

760
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Speaker 3: Tannery can even put this in the description this book

761
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: name because with Charlie Cook, he was.

762
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Speaker 4: You know, he was a social scientist. He was observing

763
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: America basically the things we do here. We observe America

764
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: and try define his condition and try, like me, I'll

765
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: try to define his condition and try to come up

766
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: with solutions. He said, I may not believe what you

767
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: say or will defend to my death, you're right to

768
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: say it. The most speech came from that concept and understanding.

769
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Speaker 4: You have to understand the talk. Feel's grandfather was Marshable.

770
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: He was an aristocrat, born of aristocracy, and he came

771
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 4: to America to tour America. Later on joined the French government,

772
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 4: but he was a foreign affairs minister I think at

773
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: one time. But more importantly, his grandfather defended the king

774
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: and he got gullit on for it.

775
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: Well, this is what Kirk said. If you study, he said,

776
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: everyday person needs to learn. That's why we're putting the

777
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: book names in the description, because all of us are

778
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: helpless unless we're studying and searching for truth together.

779
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: And everything we're seeing today we've seen before. That's the

780
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: beauty of history. That's why doubling it. And the reason

781
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: why doubling it is because it's like a replay. Different age,

782
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: different actors, different people.

783
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: But same script, same everything, same outcomes. Almost the people

784
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: are interchangeable. Sometimes I say, well this person, it's just

785
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: like this person that lived one hundred years ago. The

786
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: period that we're in right now really is not very different.

787
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Speaker 3: Than the nineteen thirties. Yes, sir, politically politically and Leo politically.

788
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Speaker 3: Think about it.

789
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: What was in in nineteen thirties, Who you long? A

790
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 4: socialist party.

791
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: The Socialist Party here in this country or in Europe

792
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: in this country, in this country, the Socialist Party? Yeah,

793
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: who you long? I think what was your name was you?

794
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

795
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: You Elog the Kingfish Fish from Louisiana. Yes, populist right,

796
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: and then what us do we have? We have the

797
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: rights we had. We had left FDR, which was what

798
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: you would call center left today.

799
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: Well, but there was some very strong communist elements at

800
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: that time in.

801
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: This communist going out and they were marching across America

802
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: and we had a million.

803
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: And we had the fascist element.

804
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 4: We had the Bolshevik Resolution right here, right here, and

805
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: they were coming, and we had the communist part of

806
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: America until they got barned eventually.

807
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: And it was interesting because the media was so important

808
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: and how that narrative was spun and when we wake up,

809
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: we're born you. For example, there was a senator from Wisconsin,

810
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: Senator McCarthy, who was talking about communist infiltration of our

811
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: government in the fifties. He went all out. He went

812
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: all out and he was.

813
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: He had a committee, had hearings, and he was calling

814
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 4: people and calling them out, and he is a beautiful

815
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: part that you really know.

816
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: Hollywood got called out. Hollywood got called out some people.

817
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: Who made some of the greatest movies on this planet.

818
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: Turns out they were they were communists, leftists, And I

819
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: guess who was informing on them? Who was informing on Oh,

820
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: that's correct. Ronald Reagan was the president of the Screen

821
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: Actors Guiled. He was He was a Democrat at the time.

822
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: It was a hardcore Democrat union leader. And because of

823
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: that experience, he became what became the line of the

824
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: conservative movement.

825
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm quoting him today, like the way I'm quoting Socrates.

826
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Speaker 4: You can kill a man, but you can't kill his idea.

827
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: That man lived what he died at three ninety nine BC.

828
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 4: I mean, the guy died at three nine nine BC.

829
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: I'm quoting him. A Greek man who believed in the

830
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: goal of Zeus and Mount Olympus and all that good

831
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 4: stuff that the Greeks believed in back then. And when

832
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: he died, you know what he said, go ahead. The

833
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: last word he said was to my friend Critos make

834
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 4: a sacrifice. The clobbers a god of the Greeks, who's

835
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: the god of healing, because I all adapt to him,

836
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: to him, to him. Even though he believed in Zeus

837
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: and others all gods are back then, he believed that

838
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: death was a cure itself because that god was the

839
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 4: god of healing.

840
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Speaker 3: He believed that death was a cure itself.

841
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I basically believed in an afterlife Greek mythology believed

842
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: in that.

843
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: Charlie Cak is not different. It's a Christian.

844
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: He believed in Christ. He believes he will be resurrected,

845
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: and he believes that on that day he will sit

846
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 4: with this King of Kings, is a lot of lords

847
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: through divinity, he'll be there.

848
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Speaker 3: And it seems there's a fairly widespread belief in American

849
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: culture that he has gone to head that right now

850
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: he is ascended to heavenly Christians.

851
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: And I can't speak for the theology. Depends upon you,

852
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: and it's none of my business as a Muslim, none

853
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 4: of my business.

854
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: Do Muslim people believe in heaven?

855
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 8: We do.

856
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: We call it Jana, we call it heaven. I'm like Trump,

857
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get there too.

858
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: Trump said he had to work real hard, pretty much.

859
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: And the beautiful parties in heaven under the Islamic Understani,

860
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: it's God's prerogative. No one can't tell you only I

861
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 4: think less than twenty people were told they're going to

862
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: heaven while living on earth who follow mohammedst.

863
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: Trump actually said, there's a clip of me. He was

864
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: talking about trying to bring peace. I think to the Ukraine,

865
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: might have been in the Middle East. He's talked about

866
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: bringing peace, which is part of the subject of tonight's podcast.

867
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Speaker 3: And he said, I want to go to heaven and

868
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: I'm doing this peace thing because I'm not doing too

869
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: well on this heaven thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, the beautiful party is the Bible tells you something

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Speaker 4: about it. Blessed other peacemakers, who are what the child

872
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Speaker 4: children of God?

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Speaker 3: I got it right here. It's at the top of

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Speaker 3: my list. That's Matthew five nine. Blessed are the peacemaker peacemakers,

875
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Speaker 3: for they shall be called sons of God. Is the

876
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Speaker 3: is the Bible version that I'm working with here, King

877
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Speaker 3: Jimson's Children. Okay, well I got a different There's lots

878
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Speaker 3: of translations, and every time there's a translation, there's a

879
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: slightly different meaning.

880
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Speaker 4: Pretty much unless you speak good Aramic. That's how you

881
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Speaker 4: understand the day meaning.

882
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Speaker 3: Of the Bible.

883
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: There's the many vasions of the Bible. Like I said,

884
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: Christianity is not monolithic, but us all sorts of Christians

885
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: come together. There's forty thousand churches and sected in the world.

886
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: If Christians are having a revi which we said at

887
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: the beginning, a revival that was started, I think before

888
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: this martyrdom or this assassination. And I called him martyrdom

889
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: because he's clearly being elevated to a new status because

890
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: his ideas are going to live on. People are dedicating

891
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: their lives, their live mission to fulfilling what Charlie Kirk convision,

892
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: which was saving souls. So it's obviously a revival.

893
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: Well, I'm quoting a guy called Socrates. You can kill

894
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: a man, but not his ideas. The guy got killed

895
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 4: because he was told to commit suicide because his ideas

896
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: were immortal. He was considered hateful and he was considered

897
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Speaker 4: a political.

898
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

899
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Speaker 4: I can tell you who Socrates is. Do you remember

900
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: like people who told him to kill himself? No, in

901
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: this history recall their names. No, No, that's why you

902
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: can kill a man and many mansitia and caught a

903
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 4: guy who died in ninety nine.

904
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Speaker 3: His ideas lived on made him immortal. You made him

905
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Speaker 3: at Okay, So the left it's one leftist. We don't

906
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Speaker 3: even know if it's a leftist really, but the area

907
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: who it is.

908
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: But it is.

909
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: We're not going to sign blame. Let the investigation continue,

910
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: cash parties on it.

911
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: But we know that the ideas of Charlie Kirk are magnified. Now, yes, sir,

912
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: tremendously glow. And his idea he said right there, his

913
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Speaker 3: number one mission was to save souls. We agree about that.

914
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: We saw it in a man's own words. So we're

915
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: living in a Christian revival. We're seeing a Christian revival.

916
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: What does that mean? What does a Christian revival mean?

917
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 4: Christians tell us, I'm a MUSLIMA what.

918
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Speaker 3: Do you think? Are you a Christian young man? What

919
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: does a Christian revival mean to you?

920
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Speaker 9: I guess to me, it's seeing that our culture is

921
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 9: starting to focus on it more. I've seen a lot

922
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 9: in my Age Group two which is really really real rushing.

923
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 9: The conversations are actually being had about beliefs. It seems

924
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 9: like the walls are starting to come down about this

925
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 9: idea of like, don't talk about religion, don't talk about it.

926
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Speaker 9: That's where I'm seeing the revival. I'm seeing it in media.

927
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 9: I'm seeing more of a respect rap artists or even

928
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 9: starting to like start speaking about gospel. So I'm just

929
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 9: seeing a shift all around. I have a lot of

930
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Speaker 9: friends personally who have converted recently. So even in numbers,

931
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Speaker 9: when you say converted just from being atheist, well, I

932
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Speaker 9: wouldn't even say my friends were atheists. They were more agnostic,

933
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Speaker 9: but they didn't understand any religion to actually be able

934
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Speaker 9: to say I have my.

935
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Speaker 3: Faith in this.

936
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Speaker 4: That this is a demographic young men.

937
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Speaker 3: He is the demographic. Did you reach him? He's right

938
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the mix. He's saying his friends,

939
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: his friends, his young peer group. They're now searching for

940
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Speaker 3: the truth, searching for God, which I think is the

941
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Speaker 3: whole reason I'm doing the podcast. Actually, people think I'm

942
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: doing the podcast because of politics. I'm I was aligned

943
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Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk before this awful event happened. Well, I

944
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: mean the old school about it. I'm old school. That's right.

945
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: If we if we're gonna self governed. We have to

946
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Speaker 3: have faith.

947
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Speaker 4: I'm a constitutionalist, hardcore and of what a blant is

948
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Speaker 4: we In that article I wrote, Christians, uphold your faith.

949
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Speaker 4: We will find at r poc dot com it says

950
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Speaker 4: clearly we walk by faith, not by sight.

951
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: It takes a lot to walk by faith and not

952
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: by sech You gotta let go of your conscious mind.

953
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: Our eyes see a lot, our eyes deceive us. The

954
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: level whispers in our souls.

955
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: Marteritialism is basically begging us to do something out. Oh

956
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 4: my god, oh my god, oh my god. You know

957
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 4: how much money someone like Charlie Cock walked away from

958
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: to remain pure, to in his stance. You know how

959
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: many people who like to influence him give him whatever

960
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: he wants. What John o'keef said, what is your price?

961
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: Joona keef from writer said, Uh, everybody has a price.

962
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Speaker 4: Unless it's your life, then it's priceless.

963
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's an interesting it's interesting unless you

964
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: put your life on the line. Well, for those that's

965
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Speaker 3: what Charlie Kirk not only put his life on the line,

966
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Speaker 3: he gave his life. Well, here's a freeman of the

967
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: churches and it Charlie Kirk. Unbelievable they had. They had

968
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Speaker 3: an event Monday night at the University of Minnesota. Was

969
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Speaker 3: a turning point event.

970
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Speaker 4: And I know many about the tickets before. Uh, when

971
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: Charlie Cook was coming because I had questions for him. Haha, okay, great,

972
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Speaker 4: did you go to the event Monday night? I couldn't

973
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Speaker 4: get the tickets. There's a lot in milliseconds. I know

974
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Speaker 4: that it was a not top auditorium. I know, I

975
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 4: know your friend Alma Alma Mata is the University of Minnesota.

976
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Speaker 4: Roll the boat, Skima.

977
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Speaker 5: I gotta say that. You know I'm a I'm a Gopher.

978
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Speaker 3: Oh the way you like that? Huh oh, I love it.

979
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Speaker 4: I'm a GOPHA fun By the way, the football season

980
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 4: is looking good.

981
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Speaker 3: I would say this is a good segway to play.

982
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Speaker 3: Video too, Okay, video too.

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Speaker 10: Tianna Democratic Representative Elon Omar, appearing on CNN, had this

984
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 10: to say about Charlie Kirk's legacy.

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Speaker 11: I just think it was the video where it called

986
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 11: him doctor Frankenstein and said his monster shot him through

987
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 11: the neck. I mean, obviously this is a person and

988
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Speaker 11: looking at this, this is someone who was a husband

989
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 11: and a father and in the days after his shocking

990
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 11: death that happened as a result of his views, or

991
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 11: or it happened as a result as he was sharing

992
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 11: his views publicly with people. That people found it jarring

993
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 11: to hear such criticism of that in the immediate aftermath.

994
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Speaker 8: What I find jarring is that there are so many

995
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 8: people willing to excuse the most reprehensible things that he said,

996
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 8: that they agree with, that that they're willing to have

997
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 8: monuments for him, that they want to create a day

998
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 8: to honor him, and that they want to produce resolutions

999
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 8: in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy.

1000
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 8: It is one thing to care about his life, because

1001
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 8: obviously so many people loved him, including his children and wife.

1002
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 8: But I am not going to sit here and be

1003
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 8: judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man

1004
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 8: has left behind that should be in the dust pen

1005
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 8: of history and we should hopefully move on and forget

1006
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 8: the hate that he spewed every single day.

1007
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 10: So, Billy, you just got back from the Charlie Kirk

1008
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 10: memorial service in Arizona, which was incredible. What did you

1009
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 10: think about her comments.

1010
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Speaker 12: It's unbelievable to me that in the wake of somebody's death.

1011
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 12: This is what we're gonna do. We're going to say

1012
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 12: things like they were hateful. They spewed hateful rhetoric every day,

1013
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 12: and we don't need.

1014
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 10: To honor that.

1015
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 12: Not only is it inhumane and wrong, it's unimaginable to

1016
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 12: me that this would be somebody's reaction to watching a

1017
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 12: public assassination that horrified the entire world. I mean, it's

1018
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 12: almost like she's not reading the room, but it feels

1019
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 12: like it goes deeper than that. I find it disturbing.

1020
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: I find it.

1021
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 12: Also incredibly troubling that somebody would say, well, he did

1022
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 12: all these things, he was a horrible person, he was bad, bad, bad,

1023
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 12: but with really no evidence. They never seemed to furnish

1024
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 12: the evidence that would make me assume that that is true.

1025
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 12: But yet they're out there saying it, firing people up,

1026
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 12: and really creating a situation that dishonors somebody's legacy.

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00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 10: The service yesterday was a revival of biblical proportions. I

1028
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 10: mean people all over the world were listing to worship music.

1029
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 10: I mean, person after person, basically the entire cabinet was

1030
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 10: just talking about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

1031
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 3: So listen.

1032
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Speaker 10: I'm going to give Elon Omar this one thought, which

1033
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 10: is this, you know, I think we can we should

1034
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 10: start to agree on the most agreed upon historic fact

1035
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 10: of the ancient world that all the skeptics and all

1036
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 10: the haters agree on. That, Yes, Jesus of Nazareth really

1037
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 10: did die.

1038
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: He was crucified.

1039
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Speaker 10: And I think maybe Elon, if you're watching this, maybe

1040
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 10: we should stop asking if he died and start asking

1041
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 10: why he died. The first thing that came to me, Billy,

1042
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 10: was from John E. Levin talking about Charlie Kirk's legacy.

1043
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 10: Jesus said to her verse twenty nine or twenty five.

1044
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 10: I am the resurrection and the life. Though the one

1045
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 10: who believes in Me will live even though they die,

1046
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 10: and whoever lives by believing in Me will never die.

1047
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 10: I think the exact opposite, not even I think talk

1048
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 10: about dust bin of history, the exact opposite of true.

1049
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk's legacy has sparked something heavenly in this country,

1050
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 10: if not to the world. So to me, what you're

1051
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 10: just stating is factually incorrect. But Billy, I'll give you

1052
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 10: the last word.

1053
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Speaker 12: Not only factually incorrect. Let's talk about Erica Kirk before

1054
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 12: we go here. Erica Kirk, a widow, a mother of two,

1055
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 12: left with a baby, two babies, without her husband, had

1056
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 12: to watch her husband die in front of the world

1057
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 12: in a horrific, horrific assassination.

1058
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Speaker 3: She stood on that stage and she did the exact.

1059
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Speaker 12: Opposite of what Omar is doing here. What she did

1060
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 12: was she forgave, and she said, I forgive the alleged shooter,

1061
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 12: the man who did this, and she did it through tears.

1062
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 12: And that is the gospel that and I have to

1063
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 12: say this, I've said it in every interview before we

1064
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 12: go This is really important. The gospel says that if

1065
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 12: we die to ourselves, we live for Jesus. We accept him,

1066
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Speaker 12: we live a life for him. That even that a

1067
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Speaker 12: lled shooter, even that person who committed this crime, that

1068
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 12: if he turns his life to Jesus, he can be

1069
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Speaker 12: in heaven with Charlie Kirk too. That's what the gospel says.

1070
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 12: That is powerful, it's countercultural, it's and here you have

1071
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 12: somebody who can't even forgive language they didn't like. And

1072
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Speaker 12: you see the disparity the widow forgiving the murderer and

1073
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 12: a congresswoman who can't forgive words she thought were mean.

1074
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 12: So I think it actually really shows us the power

1075
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 12: of the Gospel when we juxtapose those two things.

1076
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Speaker 3: Or to peace.

1077
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Speaker 4: I chose on papos to bring TBN and CBN Christian

1078
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: brocastos because I want people to know what Christians are thinking.

1079
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Speaker 4: And the reason why I chose that is because my

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Speaker 4: sister in an Omah and I call him my sister.

1081
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 4: We're from the same tribe pa Gothics, same tribe, Okay,

1082
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 4: same people, same ethnicity. Okay, she's from the royalty side,

1083
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 4: and I'm from the soldier side.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we call it.

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Speaker 4: It's some Mahamos called lost Mamhammud, but from the major

1086
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 4: ten tribes. And I'm telling you, as close as we are,

1087
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 4: there's a difference of opinion. And I'll explain to you

1088
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 4: what the difference of opinion means. I may not agree

1089
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 4: with what she says, the same way you might not

1090
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: agree with what some of the things that Charlie Kak

1091
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 4: has said. But but we will defend it to the

1092
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: death for our right to say it. Nobody's trying to

1093
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: silence your sister. You're a congress woman.

1094
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: Speak for yourself, speak for yourself, let your ideas.

1095
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: Don't chase the crowds, and don't push controversy in America,

1096
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: because right now I want to talk about the second

1097
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 4: stage of this storytelling. We are the five stages of

1098
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: grief in this country. Over this, over this, over the

1099
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: assassination of Charlie kok Kubler.

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: Ross I think is the name of the psychologists who

1101
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: developed nineteen sixty nine on death, I'm Dying a book

1102
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: was written. Yeah, you're right, her name is School. It's crazy,

1103
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: isn't it that you don't see gang around Professor Penny.

1104
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 3: He's walked some of the same roads that you have.

1105
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: Go ahead, let's talk about this is very interesting.

1106
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the first part, which is it denial

1107
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: and these things don't happen, and since cross scenicity, it

1108
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 4: doesn't happen automatically in the order I'm telling you.

1109
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: It just happens. It just happens however you deal with it, Yoie.

1110
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: And we saw that on X because when Charlie Kirk

1111
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: was shot, there was a huge out point of he's

1112
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: not dead, denial, denial, that's right. That was a huge

1113
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: out porn And I remember reading this and I said, WHOA,

1114
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: I saw that. I'm not in denial, but people were

1115
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: in denial.

1116
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 4: People felt no violence, always nuns people. It is meant

1117
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: to desensitize people, so people full share the video, but

1118
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 4: human beings we looked at it.

1119
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: And how the news you were shocked.

1120
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Speaker 4: They were no, they felt isolated. I don't care who

1121
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 4: you were, anybody in this plott see now I'm being

1122
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 4: shot like.

1123
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Speaker 3: That as a psychological effect, a psychological effect on you,

1124
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: a chilling effect. Actually that's the whole purpose of it,

1125
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: That is, it's so reminiscent to me of the nineteen

1126
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: sixties because I was alive when John Kennedy was shot.

1127
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: Just told us you, well, my family says, don't do that. Oh,

1128
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: John Kennedy and then Malcolm X, and then Martin Luther

1129
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: King and then Robert Kennedy in each killing brought more

1130
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: of a chill upon my generation's heart, a fear, but

1131
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: go ahead. So there's denial. The second part is hunger.

1132
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: We saw that too, didn't we.

1133
01:03:52,960 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: Irrational anger manifests. People get hungry, especially people who like Charliecock,

1134
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 4: people who loved Charlicock, and people who idolize, not idolized.

1135
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: That's about what for Goldie man. But people.

1136
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 4: Who look at him as a gold demn.

1137
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 3: And what did they say? They said things that again

1138
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: were not constitutional.

1139
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 4: Who celebrated his death, the people who didn't.

1140
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: Like him because of his and that was terrifying.

1141
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: And because some because of anti Christianity. Anti Christianity is

1142
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: really in America. I know it is real when a

1143
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 4: school down the road he him in Anesota, kids praying

1144
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 4: can be shot at Annunciation School.

1145
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Who are Christians? Catholics? Catholics? By a kid?

1146
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: A kid? And we got to look at world. Why

1147
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: we have to be brave enough to ask ourselves.

1148
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 4: Why the first time. There's a lot of reasons why,

1149
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 4: but you gotta add one more reason, Auntie.

1150
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:06,479
Speaker 3: It's charity. It is real. Anti it is real.

1151
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 4: It exists only manifests itself. And I will go deeper

1152
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 4: into it towards the end of this episode, and uh

1153
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 4: Ango va nationally to expulsions on firings. People was so

1154
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 4: angry they started taking down social media, calling employers and

1155
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 4: getting people fired across this country.

1156
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: Which hunt so to speak. Yeah, it's like for what

1157
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: they said, this is what happens when people don't have faith.

1158
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: They're capable of saying things and thinking things that people

1159
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 3: of faith would be a little bit more hesitant to say.

1160
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: It didn't faith. It's common sense. Yeah, they got a union,

1161
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: just common senses. When someone dies, keep your mouth shut.

1162
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 4: Well, fifty cents eity best go ahead.

1163
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1164
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 4: I don't know much about Charlie Cock, but I know

1165
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 4: when I can. I'm gonna cast on this one, but

1166
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 4: I know when to shut the cup.

1167
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 3: Here close Dario's tanner with getting ready to bleep that

1168
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 3: out for you. But yes, we got the point. That's right.

1169
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 3: We know when to shut the cup. That's great. These

1170
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: people are fools.

1171
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 4: They didn't know when to shut up celebrating a man

1172
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 4: being assassinated on live TV, A father of two children,

1173
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: a husband, a son, a picture. More importantly, it was

1174
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 4: a peaceful, envident man. This is a man who picked

1175
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 4: up a microphone and argued with you. He didn't shoot you,

1176
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 4: He didn't kill you, he didn't do nothing. He just

1177
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: came here to convince you his way is right. We

1178
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 4: may not agree with it, and we can agree to

1179
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 4: disagree with it. But he didn't just have to be

1180
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 4: shot like the way he was shot.

1181
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: Well, this brings up a very interesting question for me

1182
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: because the through line between the Jewish community, the Christian community,

1183
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: and the Muslim community is faith in God. We walk

1184
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 3: by faith, not by sight. I know, I do, I mean,

1185
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: and I know that makes me a rare person in

1186
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: this society because I do it to the full extent

1187
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: that I can. But then you have well, I'm me too,

1188
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: But you know what I was. I'm dedicated to putting

1189
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: sin underfoot. I've been working on it for a long time.

1190
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 3: I'm not there, but I'm getting it most of her

1191
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: all the time. And I'll tell you why I'm doing struggle,

1192
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why I'm doing it because I

1193
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: want to save my country. I want to save faith

1194
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: and freedom and family here in the United States, and

1195
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do whatever I have to do to

1196
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: do it. But then I go back to your tribal

1197
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: member representative Omar. It would seem to me because she's

1198
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: covering her head.

1199
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Speaker 4: Oh I love that about her. The job, yeah, that's

1200
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 4: the Holy too.

1201
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: We got to give her that.

1202
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 4: But more importantly, the job my mother is and my

1203
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 4: sister is it.

1204
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: I like that.

1205
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a key pod or somebody who

1206
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 4: has a cross showing some respect right. Basically this saying faith.

1207
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 4: But this is why I am.

1208
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: But this person all like me carrying my you know,

1209
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: I mean as a symbol of my faith. But she's

1210
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 3: we're in the symbol of the faith. And yet she

1211
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: finds Charlie Kirk's presentation of faith to belong in the

1212
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 3: dustbin of history. That's what I heard her say.

1213
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: That's exactly what she said. And before that she said

1214
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 4: it in a charge and people cheered. In fact, one

1215
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 4: of the personals sitting next to her was a representative

1216
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: in the House.

1217
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 3: Would that be a family member of yours?

1218
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 5: No, it was a white dude.

1219
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it was a white I mean the other

1220
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 4: ones invited her to the church, and a lot of

1221
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 4: Minnesota legislators said some stupid things, celebrated that Walter Hadson

1222
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 4: called the legislations hostile workforce environments. Do you know how

1223
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 4: many times Walter has been threatened? And Anoma gets that

1224
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 4: threat by this seconds, but also does Walter Hudson by

1225
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 4: the seconds from the other side. More importantly, it's across

1226
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 4: this country teaches last regime of Biden while getting death threats.

1227
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 4: Today everybody gets dead threats.

1228
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 3: Let me ask you about representative Omar. She's a woman

1229
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 3: of faith, yes or no.

1230
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 4: That's between all God. I don't judge. That's my trick,

1231
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 4: that's my strength, that's my superpower. I don't judge. Great

1232
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: because I believe your faith is possible between you and

1233
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 4: your Lord.

1234
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: None of my business. Okay, you're not a judge, judge

1235
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 3: not less to be judged. But I'm going to ask, nonetheless,

1236
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 3: if you're a person of faith, how do you support

1237
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 3: ideologies which are anti Christians or anti faith? It seems

1238
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 3: to me to be attention. I don't quite understand how

1239
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 3: that works. Well, that comes up to the type part. Okay,

1240
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: let's go.

1241
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 4: Well, Americans are feeling what we call, first of all,

1242
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 4: the anger part.

1243
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

1244
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, and you didn't ask me to

1245
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: say it, but I'm gonna say this. Conspiracies take over.

1246
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 3: And you know who always get blamed? Oh yes, well

1247
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 3: lately it's always the same. Well, actually it's been going

1248
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 3: on for a long time, five thousand years. Yeah, blaming

1249
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: on the Jews. Yeah, they killed him, the Homositus. Let's

1250
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 3: start saying, yes, of course.

1251
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 4: And then even though the Jews now is all trans community,

1252
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 4: dude in dresses, uh, it's not them. I've seen go

1253
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 4: viral for a week the number thirty three because apparently

1254
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 4: when Cash Bartel said we arrested him after thirty three

1255
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 4: hours of a man hunt, when his father telled him in.

1256
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 4: And what does that tell you about the father? Can

1257
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: we pray for that parent and family? What are they

1258
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 4: going through?

1259
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: Man? To turn your son in, to give your son over,

1260
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: what kind of courage does it take? What kind of

1261
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: picture is that to turn on your own child.

1262
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would do the same if

1263
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 4: I was in that position. I don't love Mitchell too much. Maybe,

1264
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 4: but bargaining starts. Americans are feeling vulnerable and helpless.

1265
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 3: But do you do well? Run the Professor Penn podcast.

1266
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: What we say as you get involved in politics and

1267
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: you take that helpless feeling and you direct it into action.

1268
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 3: But go ahead, I don't want to.

1269
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 4: I mean true, you are amount of action. You're an

1270
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 4: act person. You're a person that Charlie Cak was talking about,

1271
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 4: not the three people. You say the first one disengages,

1272
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 4: You're a six pack, put your leg up and then

1273
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 4: watch the world. Time to excuse my French, Or you're

1274
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: the second part who says, oh, this is how it is.

1275
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna look at this, do a little bit

1276
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 4: of my own and do nothing, or you're the third

1277
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 4: part that says I'm gonna act you an act parton.

1278
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 4: I am an act person. Town is an act parton.

1279
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 4: And then on the left there are people who act

1280
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 4: on their values too.

1281
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 3: That existed in this country for a long time.

1282
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 4: So bagay, you say, what if and if only that's

1283
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 4: the thing that happens, Americans will have Charlie Kirk or

1284
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 4: admire him, even those who disagreed with him, Uh, negotiating

1285
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 4: only with himself higher power on God. I saw that

1286
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: with the Christians when I went to dell Off to

1287
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 4: change circumstances of our country.

1288
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: If we do that, if I do this, God will

1289
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: do that. In fact, Charlie Kirk said, I went to

1290
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 3: a vigil.

1291
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 4: I said, right, yeah, vigil, vigil expecting one hundred people on.

1292
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: And Charlie Kirk said, God will not abandon the righteous believers,

1293
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 3: or something to that effect. And that's an important part

1294
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 3: of the faith. But that is kind of a bargaining chip.

1295
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: If I become righteous, you have to be very careful

1296
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: with this, because you don't become righteous, you don't walk

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Speaker 3: by faith and not by sight to get paid. You

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Speaker 3: do it without any thought of reward. You do it

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Speaker 3: because it's you're called upon to do it. Miss doing

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Speaker 3: good for the sake of good, doing good for the

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Speaker 3: sake of good without reward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you do good for the sake of the good.

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Speaker 4: You teach the bird to do good. And more importantly,

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Speaker 4: you fight evil.

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Speaker 3: We need people to fight evil, which is what Charlie

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Speaker 3: Kirk was was doing. But we got to define it.

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Speaker 3: What is evil because the two different people. It's like peace,

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Speaker 3: no two opinions.

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Speaker 4: And I've walked around this planet talking about peace, from

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Speaker 4: Africa to Asia, to coast to coast of America, pact synagogues, churches, schools,

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Speaker 4: auditorium civic arenas. I've talked to tens of thousands of people,

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Speaker 4: and I've reached over five hundred million people talking about

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Speaker 4: peace an average moment. I'm a citizen diplomat. Are totally

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Speaker 4: in the first podcast not only once, but twice once

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Speaker 4: given by Global Ties USA twenty eighteen, the same award

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Speaker 4: may Angelo got, and the second one from the awesome

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Speaker 4: State Department of the United States of America. They called

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Speaker 4: me Cities and diplomat Mohammed average Mohammed, that was the organization.

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Speaker 3: I led in pursuit of peace. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 3: That's why we're sitting here today smiling Man Jewish man

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Speaker 3: were both American citizens. We recognize. And you said something

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Speaker 3: very thought provoking. What is evil? Because everybody has an opinion.

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Speaker 3: One man's e another man's good. That's a problem, isn't

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Speaker 3: it clarifying that issue?

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Speaker 4: We need bees benchmarks, we need a clear understanding history,

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Speaker 4: we need ways, and what is the legalistic means of it?

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Speaker 4: Because we live in a second democracy called America. And

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Speaker 4: Chaliecak was a constitutionalist.

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Speaker 3: What is the process for determining what is good and

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Speaker 3: what is evil? It's a search for truth each each citizen.

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Speaker 3: And this is a point you made, I think quite eloquently.

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Speaker 3: Each citizen is entitled within their own realm, their own realm,

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Speaker 3: as a sovereign citizen, to search that out for themselves.

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Speaker 4: True, But we don't want to automize the process like

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Speaker 4: they talk we'll talked about in the book for Democracy

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Speaker 4: in America and the Condition of America. He said, the

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Speaker 4: problem with democracy is eventually individual has become automized and

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Speaker 4: there'll be nothing coherent societal.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're living with under Now. Everyone is an individual.

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Speaker 3: It's me, me, meet me. There's no WHI left. This

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Speaker 3: country is built on with the people. So the fragmentation

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Speaker 3: has reached the point that the fabric of society is

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Speaker 3: pulling apart, breaking down by allah.

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Speaker 4: I got kids turning out to be fury, turning out

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Speaker 4: to be what did duty you ever had of the

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Speaker 4: word beauty fury?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do not. I'm not familiar with what

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: The kids who believe the animals and walking around with tails,

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Speaker 4: oh furries, oh fury, I got an accent.

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Speaker 3: You say better. Let me interpret for you from time

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Speaker 3: to time. First I thought he was saying fury. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But we got kids turning out to be full of

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Speaker 3: fury also, so we got furries and fury. It's the

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Speaker 3: same thing. But talk about that video that I presented.

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Speaker 4: Because I chose that video, I'll scroll through thousands of

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Speaker 4: his videos and came up with that one from TVA.

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Speaker 3: It's a good one.

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Speaker 4: It's a good one because it talks about values, which

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Speaker 4: he said is a Christian value. That's a crystal side

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Speaker 4: of him. I'm a Muslim, but he said, it's a moral.

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Speaker 3: On you too.

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Speaker 4: Constitutional rights, separation of state, and charge are more important.

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Speaker 4: Republican values of governance, not micro management. Not controlled by

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Speaker 4: the government too much.

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Speaker 3: Want to shrink the government down? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: The last podcast we did, we said we're paying at

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Speaker 4: forty percent of our taxes to the government in fees

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Speaker 4: and taxes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's overwhelming. You work half the year just

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Speaker 3: to pay the tax pretty much crazy.

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Speaker 4: And you have to understand, in the same Bible that

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kak believes in and the tour under Tanak, they

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Speaker 4: basically the worst leader you can live under, who enslaved

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Speaker 4: the Jews, they revolted for just twenty five percent of

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Speaker 4: the tack.

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Speaker 3: That's hey, I think our founding fathers revolted for just

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Speaker 3: the tax on tea, taxation without representation, forget about it.

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Speaker 3: They put on Indian uniform and threw the tea into

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Speaker 3: the sea, the Boston Tea Party. Come on, now, we

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Speaker 3: put up with all this control, all this management. Why

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Speaker 3: because why? Because we're not self governing. See, this is

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Speaker 3: Self governance is the strategy, the tactics that we're going

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Speaker 3: Peace. That's it. We're struggling towards a dialogue. I thought

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Speaker 3: about this, you know.

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Speaker 4: Because we each peace trade some form of partnership. Do

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Speaker 4: We agreed to disagree on many things, but at the

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And the second thing is we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Peace, peace and what we're trying to do here now.

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Speaker 3: And I've thought about this and you know, getting ready

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Speaker 3: for this podcast. What a great opportunity is for me

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Speaker 3: to talk to people all throughout the world that follow

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Speaker 3: you and let people know that there are people like

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Speaker 3: me that believe in peace and are seeking forgiveness and reconciliation.

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Speaker 3: And I went and I looked up many different versus

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Speaker 3: in the Qoran about peace because I wanted to rhythm

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Speaker 3: see it with my own eyes. But before we get there,

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Speaker 3: let's finish these stages of grief with acceptance. Okay, that's

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Speaker 3: all depression.

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Speaker 4: People get depressed, man, because they used to getting videos

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Speaker 4: from charliecok they used to get in talking points, they

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Speaker 4: used to getting ideas, and more importantly, a quiet state

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Speaker 4: of grief settles in.

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Speaker 3: That takes time.

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Speaker 4: The full weight of the impact of Charlie cark assassination,

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Speaker 4: and what people call metadom is yet to eat hard.

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Speaker 3: That moment will come. Now.

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Speaker 4: What happens then is after that is the fifth part,

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Speaker 4: which basically the way it was written was acceptance Americans,

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Speaker 4: not all, like I said, some of them I've lost

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Speaker 4: their humanity to celebrate the death of a young man,

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Speaker 4: a Christian man.

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Speaker 3: I want to say this again, this was really well said.

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Speaker 3: I said this on a podcast. I can't remember which

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Speaker 3: one it was. You know, when I was a young man,

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Speaker 3: maybe seven eight years old, studying the history of World

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Speaker 3: War two, because I dabble in history also something we

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Speaker 3: hold in the common and I saw a film. There's

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Speaker 3: a film of the dictator of Italy, Mossolini, which I

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Speaker 3: learned from you that when Somalia gained its independence it

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Speaker 3: was from Italy. Yeah, and I know that Italy had

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Speaker 3: attacked Ethiopia, and I learned that Somali men went to

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Speaker 3: fight with the Ethiopians even though small Sama, Somalian and

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Speaker 3: Ethiopian men and women have conflict, but not when the

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Speaker 3: Europinias too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, those those Utopians. So Mali Eritrea, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're already poor. You have a market that you can

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Speaker 4: integrate five hundred billions, So Mali's twenty billion Eritrea is

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Speaker 4: about talenty five forty billion. I mean, can you imagine

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Speaker 4: what kind of prosperity peace will bring? You know what

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Speaker 4: they're investing in in all those three countries.

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Speaker 3: Guns. Ah, that's half you GDP right there. Guns. But

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Speaker 3: I what do guns do? They're the opposite of peace. Well,

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Speaker 3: they can allow people to defend themselves, defend their several No.

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Speaker 4: No, no, in terms of when it's only your number

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Speaker 4: one priority and not peace.

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Speaker 3: Oh, then everybody suffers.

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Speaker 4: When I say that, people look at me and they

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Speaker 4: say you're crazy, And I say, hold on those borders.

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01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 4: While written up in eighteen sixty five, who says we can,

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Speaker 4: through the figment of our imagination say no body exists,

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Speaker 4: We have a free market, we do the European thing,

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Speaker 4: and we organize our countries and we're all Kushites. It

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Speaker 4: Itirians are proud, Itopians are proud. So adies are proud.

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Speaker 4: And there's many nations. Within those nations, it's not one

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Speaker 4: monolithic nation. Many tribes, many tribes in Itutopia alone, we're

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Speaker 4: talking about forty six to two to fifty two in Italy.

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Speaker 4: There's seven in Somalia. If you break down the tribes. Oo,

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Speaker 4: don't get me started on that one. There's seven major

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Speaker 4: major organization of tribes. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: everybody needs bread.

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Speaker 3: But you said something. I want to highlight it because

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Speaker 3: we've been struggling for a way to talk about this.

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Speaker 3: I know Rice has been working on it. All the

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Speaker 3: videos of these American citizens celebrating the death you've lost

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Speaker 3: to urology, they've this is beautiful. They've lost their humanity.

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Speaker 3: How do you celebrate death? You've lost your humanity? For sure.

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Speaker 3: I was in the extremist countering business for ten years.

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Speaker 3: You know what that does to you.

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Speaker 4: I will share with you towards the end what its

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Speaker 4: papa says and what it's done, and where you are

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Speaker 4: at the spectrum of extremes, and I will show you

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Speaker 4: a video I made as average Mohammed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now let's you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've covered this this part and there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of things.

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Speaker 3: That go into it.

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Speaker 4: Now, I would love to hear your comments on peace

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01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 4: of is love because I want to talk about.

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Speaker 3: A prayer here.

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 4: And the prayer I'm talking about is the prayer that

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01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 4: forced our sister and I call her my sister. She's

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 4: a Catholic, but she's my sister. I'm a believe of Alah.

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01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 4: Believe we call a How and Adam and we are

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01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 4: all born through that that's what I believe. I don't

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 4: believe we came from a monkey. I just don't call

1519
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 4: it faith by sight, not by sight, but by faith.

1520
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 4: And more importantly, what I do believe is we all

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 4: brothers and sisters on this planet, whether you believe or

1522
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 4: don't believe. And in the Orani stays, we created it

1523
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 4: in nation and tribes so you may know each other.

1524
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 4: And the goal is to know each other. And when

1525
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 4: you know each other, you become friends, don't we And

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01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 4: that's the whole point. Love your neighbor. Now, in the

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01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 4: moment of love, this woman Erica mm hmmm, who just

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01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago her husband got killed on

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 4: ont of her on Life National TV finds out she

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01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 4: just found out she's a widow. She gotta be a

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01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 4: mother and a father to two kids. And more importantly,

1532
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 4: the whole world saw the killing of her husband. Stood

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 4: in the state far Marino.

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01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 3: And what did she say forgiveness? She forgave the man

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01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 3: who killed her husband. She said a lot of things.

1536
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: But that's the might takeaway as a Muslim forgiveness forgiveness, Well,

1537
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: how does forgiveness forgiveness work in Islam? Is Islam a

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01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: forgiving religion.

1539
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 4: Well, today's Charlie cacmemorial. Let's start with the Christians, and

1540
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 4: then we go to the Islam, and then we go

1541
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 4: to Judaisium. In Christian she was basing it based on

1542
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 4: our Lord's prayer. Let me recite the prayer or our Father,

1543
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 4: who are doing in heaven, All be thy name, like

1544
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 4: Kingdom come that will be done on us as it

1545
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 4: is in heaven. Give us the stay our daily brand,

1546
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 4: and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that

1547
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 4: trespass against us, and leaders not into temptation, but deliver

1548
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 4: us from evil.

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01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 3: For the time. For Thine is the Kingdom and the

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01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: power and the glory forever. Amen.

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01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 4: Amen, I'm a Muslim reciting a Christian lord's prayer. If

1552
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 4: we change the word Father to Allah, you can say

1553
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 4: this prayer most. But if we change the Lord or

1554
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 4: father to Aldernay, you can say this prayin senagogue and

1555
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 4: the people will.

1556
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: Not know the difference. I agree with you.

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01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 4: Now. Islam says in solo twenty four to twenty two,

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01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 4: encourage parlor and overlooking, asking would you not love for

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01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: Allah to forgive you?

1560
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: You have to understand everything. Muslims do.

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01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 4: We begin with Bismila in the name of God, a Rahman,

1562
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 4: the massiful, a Rahim, the load of Greece. Everything from

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01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 4: before you eat, before you go into the bathroom, before

1564
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 4: you have intercourse with your wife, hopefully with your wife.

1565
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: I'm advocating for that now. I never used to before.

1566
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you get what

1567
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Yes, I mean, I mean it's.

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01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 3: Just thanksgiving, praise and thanksgiving.

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01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 4: Praise and thanksgiving. So basically, if you want your God's

1570
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 4: forgiveness and you can't forgive you, does that work?

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't work?

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01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: No?

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01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 3: Why This is very interesting because one of the things

1574
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 3: we do on the podcast we try to lay out

1575
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: how do you make this supernatural thing work in your life? Well,

1576
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: there's it's written down, there's rules for it. You don't

1577
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 3: have to make it up. You have to study. Like

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01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk said, how could you expect God to forgive

1579
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 3: you if you're unforgiving? Of course God could forgive you,

1580
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 3: but actually you're blocking the forgiveness by being unforgiving.

1581
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 4: You're blocking and arter having a heart attack. The heart attack,

1582
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,440
Speaker 4: the part that's causing the brokerage is your lack of forgiveness.

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01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 3: And I'll explain to you why that means.

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01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 4: In Verse one thirty four describes the righteous as those

1585
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 4: who pardon the people, for Allah loves the duos of good.

1586
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,919
Speaker 3: Did Edica do that she did? That is she not righteous?

1587
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: It was a righteous act. But there were in that

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01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: particular moment the whole world was looking at how and

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01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 3: what she could sell was stunned. Everybody was stunned that

1590
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 3: she said, But she said, well guided her. What guided

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 3: her was her Christian faith. Spell. She operationalized her faith

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01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 3: at the most difficult moment, when a person is filled

1593
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 3: with grief and anger, work.

1594
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 4: By faith, not by sight. She saw a husband being shot,

1595
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 4: but she worked on and she.

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01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Gave an example to every American citizen black, white, old, young, gay, straight, rich, poor,

1597
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 3: that we can forgive each other for the sins of

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01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 3: this country, the sins that we've done to each other,

1599
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: the sins that we've done ourselves. We can forgive ourselves.

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01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 3: Since we do to ourselves, That's what I'm saying, the

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01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: sins we do to ourselves, we can forgive ourselves. We

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01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: can forgive each other and start anew. Forgiveness allows a

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01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: fresh start, It allows you to let go of anger,

1604
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 3: a new beginning and guilt and more importantly begin life.

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01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 4: And I want to talk about shuts. It's up to

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01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 4: forty forty two of us forty uh stay start. While

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01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 4: retribution from an evil act is permissible, whoever pudult and

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01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 4: makes it, reconciliation his the world is due from Allah.

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01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 4: This woman basically part of her husband's.

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01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 3: I don't have that cottage. Man. That's a very honest

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01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 3: thing for you to say, I will kill you. That

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01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 3: is a very honest thing. Because I was watching actually

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01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 3: at home, and my wife looked at me and she said,

1614
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 3: how can she do that? First thing she said was

1615
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 3: eye for an eye on we Ald, go blind. I

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01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 3: will kill you, man. And I said, I said right away,

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01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 3: I totally. I said, you don't understand Christianity. I said,

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01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 3: I understand it. I think I think it was the

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01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 3: thing to do. She said, an example for our whole society.

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01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean but it doesn't mean that the

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01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 3: whole world. I'm a Muslim and I'm shocked. Well, that's

1622
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 3: that's very powerful what she did. And also I want

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01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 3: to say, it doesn't mean that that assassin if he's

1624
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 3: actually convicted in the court of law by a jury

1625
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 3: of his peers. It doesn't mean that that assassin escapes

1626
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 3: just earthly justice. This is a spiritual realm and the

1627
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 3: earthly realm. They're related, they coexist, but there's differences. I

1628
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 3: think there's a grid line. There's a movie. I saw

1629
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 3: this movie. I love this movie. There's an actor, Denzel

1630
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 3: Washington was in a great movie called Man on Fire,

1631
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 3: and he plays a killer and he says, I'm all

1632
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 3: for people being forgiven by God. I'm here to arrange

1633
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 3: the meeting. That's exactly. But it was really a striking

1634
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: theological moment. And of course Judaism talks a lot about

1635
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 3: forgiveness and reconciliation. Let's go there, go ahead.

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01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 4: Forgiveness is found in both the Tanach, the Hebrew Bible

1637
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 4: and that thirty you're familiar with this. I am grut

1638
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 4: you people are not. People out there are not. And

1639
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 4: I'm a Muslim saying this, and I'm quoting this because

1640
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: I want to show how similar we are. These difference is,

1641
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:14,440
Speaker 4: but there's also similarity.

1642
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,879
Speaker 3: Well, we have the same father. Yeah, the God of Abraham,

1643
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 3: one God, one to one family. Hmmm.

1644
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 4: Cousin Beenic traditional emphasizing divine mascy of human repentance and

1645
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 4: elements excerara study for nine and.

1646
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 3: There's actually a process for repentance. Prayer mm hmm, y

1647
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 3: gotta pray. I mean, when you do something wrong in Judaism,

1648
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 3: you gotta lay with it and deal with it. You

1649
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 3: have a prayer and study. As Charlie Kirk said, you

1650
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 3: have to study. You have to pray. You have to

1651
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 3: study to change yourself. The prayer, the study changes and

1652
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: then charity zacha, you have to do amends that you

1653
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 3: have to make amends. You have to serve your time.

1654
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 3: But if you serve your time, it's different than Christianity.

1655
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 3: It's different. We have to say, and Judy is we

1656
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: have to prayer and study and charity. Have to serve

1657
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 3: your time and you'll know when you can't say as

1658
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 3: a Jew, I'm going to say this because I'm a

1659
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 3: Jew that knows Christ, but it can't get the Jew

1660
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 3: out of me. And we got to serve our time

1661
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 3: when we do things wrong. But when we've served our time,

1662
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 3: we're changed, we're transformed, we're made anew. Just as if

1663
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 3: someone believed in Christ, they're born again. When you do

1664
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: the prayer and the study and the charity, you're born again,

1665
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 3: you know, you've come through the dark passage and something

1666
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 3: people need to understand. And it was a because I'm

1667
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 3: also a sinner, you know. And you know in Judaism,

1668
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 3: if a righteous man who never really sinned meets a

1669
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 3: man who was a sinner and went out into the

1670
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: world and gave up the faith and came back, the

1671
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 3: one that came back is more elevated in the pantheon

1672
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 3: of believers than one who never sinned, because the one

1673
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 3: who never sinned is still susceptible to corruption. But the

1674
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 3: one that went out there and was corrupted and found

1675
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 3: their way back, No, you can't hard to corrupt that

1676
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 3: because I know what it feels like.

1677
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 4: It's like Steve, you put it in the fire, you

1678
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 4: take it out, you tip it, and it becomes hard, tough,

1679
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 4: more resilient and able to cut anything.

1680
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 3: And the thing that I hope that we as a people, Christian,

1681
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 3: Muslim and jew unders can come to understand that in

1682
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 3: this fallen world we live in where there's all this corruption,

1683
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 3: God is everywhere still. No matter what dark place a

1684
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 3: man or a woman might find themselves, all they have

1685
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: to do is turn and ask for God to be there,

1686
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 3: and God will appear, but you have to ask very sincerely,

1687
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 3: not oh God, please get me out of this mess. No,

1688
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 3: you just have to at that moment of despair, what

1689
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 3: do you turn to? If you turn in your heart

1690
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 3: truly seeking reconciliation, God will answer every time. At least

1691
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 3: that's my own testimony and experience.

1692
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 4: I've been in more places that I should have been

1693
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 4: dead alone time ago.

1694
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 6: I've still walked out.

1695
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: Dumb things that basically should have people tell him.

1696
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 4: Even doing this podcast is a dumb thing, because again,

1697
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 4: like I said, death, triths come. People, hate will come, enemy,

1698
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 4: it will come. People lose contracts, people lose business people

1699
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 4: look at you. Different people say, come this guy here,

1700
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: look at him talking.

1701
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 3: Who the hell gave him the night to talk? Well,

1702
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 3: you know all these people, Tanner, and let me tell

1703
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 3: me that if they get bad feedback coming on the

1704
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:12,480
Speaker 3: Professor podcast.

1705
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Professor pen pod,

1706
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 4: because I'm talking about life in general.

1707
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 3: Oh, you're like just taking the walk, taking the walks walk. No,

1708
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1709
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 4: There's a lot of thorns and things along the way,

1710
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 4: but it's a walk, and it's a.

1711
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 3: Path on my steel. That's that iron being at that

1712
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 3: fire hammering on.

1713
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 4: We don't feel, we don't blink, we don't shake. We

1714
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 4: just walked by faith.

1715
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 3: Like Charlie Kirk, no is our no by sight man.

1716
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: When he woke up that day, he didn't know that

1717
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 3: that was his last day, probably made plans for the

1718
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 3: next day, Probably made plans for the next day. Come

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Speaker 3: to Minnesota the next week, right on the University of Minnesota.

1720
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 3: Isn't that a lesson for all of us to get

1721
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 3: our personal spiritual life at the center of our attention.

1722
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: It can all change in a second for anybody on anything.

1723
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Are you asking me a question? No,

1724
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm asking you all this a question. Are you ready?

1725
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 3: This is where we just sit quietly when you say

1726
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 3: are you ready? Out there the listeners and the viewers,

1727
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 3: are you ready to let go? Are you ready? But

1728
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 3: you know this, there's an interesting there's an interesting thing

1729
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: that I've been thinking about a lot in reference to

1730
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's awful public assassination. You know, there's good research

1731
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 3: now about the human brain that when the heart stops

1732
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 3: and death is declared, the brain still continues. Can you

1733
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 3: imagine the terror of having no faith and no effort

1734
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 3: to repair your life and you're trapped in a body

1735
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 3: that will soon expire, and nobody can talk to you.

1736
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 3: It's just you all alone. You don't have a relationship

1737
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 3: with God. See, I think our religion is leading us

1738
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 3: to that moment, because that's a very difficult moment unless

1739
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 3: you have faith. If you have faith, well that's a

1740
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 3: completely different proposition. So what are you planning for? Are

1741
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 3: you planning? You're looking at your at your phone and

1742
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: looking at those digital those pixels. Oh look at my

1743
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 3: four oh one K. It's just banging. I'm making so

1744
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 3: much money this year. You won't take it with you

1745
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: can't take it with you got the wife at home,

1746
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 3: you got the girlfriend down the block, can't take her

1747
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: with either.

1748
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 4: I mean, what was the gentleman's name who died at

1749
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 4: a young age too? Who can't cut half their own water?

1750
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 3: At that type? Went from when?

1751
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 4: From Macedonia nor Macedonia, depending on who you talk to.

1752
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 4: These Macedonians, they argue about it all the time. And

1753
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 4: then went all the way to India's border. In fact,

1754
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 4: we went through the Pashtun run and how too, Maria

1755
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 4: Pushtun and A'VEGANI called Roksan just to go through these questions,

1756
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 4: these bushs, they basically tim back.

1757
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 3: Everybody finished twice, you know, Russians and the America.

1758
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 4: You know what they say, huh, they say, we've been

1759
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 4: got to start for two hundred years, mostly four thousand,

1760
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 4: four hundred, but we've been passion for five thousand years.

1761
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 3: Don't mess with us, man, don't mess with the tribe,

1762
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 3: don't mess with that, don't mess with the don't mess

1763
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 3: with us.

1764
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 4: They don't mind doing whatever they're doing out there.

1765
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 3: Go help them, you know what I mean. They're very

1766
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 3: proud people.

1767
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 4: But then again, when he was being buried, he said,

1768
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 4: leave my hands out and boy me with nothing.

1769
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 3: This man old an empire. You know, Mohammad, We're gonna

1770
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 3: run out of time, and I want to get to

1771
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 3: this last video piece to end this. We got about

1772
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes left, so I want to make sure we

1773
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 3: get this last piece off because we're talking about peace

1774
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 3: and reconciliation.

1775
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 4: How do you do peace. I'm a gardener, that's my walk.

1776
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 3: A gardener. Yeah, planning seeds of people right here, we're

1777
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 3: doing it. We plan right on this right. Yeah.

1778
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 4: Metaphorically, like you say, there's a subjective of the metaphysical world.

1779
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 4: The metaphysical world is here, and there's a subjective world,

1780
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 4: the world where we gotta wake up and make pills,

1781
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 4: go to walk, pay taxes, follow the law. There's a

1782
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 4: subjective world, but there's a metaphysical world that exists. And

1783
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 4: part of this world, our umbilical code is faith. We

1784
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 4: have freedom of religion in America. We are the feast

1785
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 4: country in the planet, and I can prove it. And

1786
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 4: Minnesota is one of the greatest states in the world,

1787
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 4: and I can prove it. My children are born here

1788
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 4: in America, just like Lehanoma's children are born here in America,

1789
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. Well, guess what my children have memorized the

1790
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 4: Quran before the age of fifteen.

1791
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm not even a good Muslim.

1792
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 4: My daughter's the two oldest ones memorized the Quran by heart,

1793
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 4: and they live and they know the sailors of the Prophet,

1794
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 4: the stories of the Prophet, and they know the Islamic studies.

1795
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 4: We trained them in it since they were the age

1796
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 4: Joe six fifteen. The memorize a list of Quran. And

1797
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 4: this is a journey that basically I'm telling you will

1798
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 4: take you entire life just to understand the meaning of

1799
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,839
Speaker 4: what faith is now there is freedom of religion in America.

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01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 4: That's the beauty of this country. As a Muslim, That's

1801
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 4: why I go to bad for this country. Ah, everything

1802
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 4: I need I found Islam here.

1803
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 3: Freedom, economic freedom, spiritual religious freedom, and associations. Freedom of speech.

1804
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I use that adds. It's a good freedom, not

1805
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 4: to waste man. Not many people on this planet can

1806
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 4: claim that. But the most important aspect is what do

1807
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 4: you do with your freedom? Because the talk will say it,

1808
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 4: freedom is the hardest thing to learn.

1809
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 3: Freedom is the hardest thing to say again, to learn

1810
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 3: to learn.

1811
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, but it's also the hardest thing to exercise.

1812
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 4: The same to talk film. It's the hardest thing you

1813
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 4: can learn his freedom and the hardest thing you can

1814
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 4: learn to exercise is freedom. Because more people understand what

1815
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 4: that means. They think freedom means a lot of things,

1816
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 4: but we understand what fidom.

1817
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 3: We're coming out of a period in this country where

1818
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 3: freedom means do whatever you want to do. Freedom.

1819
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 4: We've automized it to individual levels, to the point of outbnoxiousness.

1820
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 4: It's not minority tyranny. Neither is it majority tyranny. It's

1821
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 4: a balance. There's no balance now it's a majority Christian

1822
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 4: nation and Christians feel isolated and they have good reason

1823
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 4: to do so. When a Christian man says a woman

1824
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 4: is a woman, they're labeled When they refuse to use

1825
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 4: pronouns like Muslims do, they're labeled hate. So let's talk

1826
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 4: about the video on extremeistic Can you play the video

1827
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 4: on what to do to know as average? Muhammad I

1828
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 4: created this about a couple years ago.

1829
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,919
Speaker 3: Okay, let's listen.

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01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 4: Actions needed against extremist hate ideas that leads to terrorism.

1831
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 4: You have seen acts of terrorism by white supremacists and

1832
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 4: those of religious extremists of ideas based violence. If you

1833
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 4: use the Internet, there's a good chance you have been

1834
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 4: exposed to these ideas A mean, a joke, a life stream,

1835
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:29,799
Speaker 4: an internet influencer message.

1836
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: Why do you do this to us, especially our kids?

1837
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 4: To desensitize kids to traumatic content, create feelings of pride

1838
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 4: or shame, and if you or a loved one likes it,

1839
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 4: they want to indoctrinate you by isolating you or loved

1840
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 4: one from society, community, country, and your humanity to become

1841
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 4: just like them, merchants of misery, hate, and eventually death,

1842
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 4: teaching you inclusion and diversity is the enemy. The white folks, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Browns,

1843
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 4: Asians and LGBTQI is the enemy now to destroy, to

1844
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 4: hate them all or some or one. You're not a

1845
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 4: fool to believe in hate. Only a fool believes the

1846
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 4: other is the enemy. Because society is humanity, country will

1847
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 4: isolate you and do everything to keep your way. There

1848
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 4: goes your life, ambitions and potential. This will destroy you

1849
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 4: because humanity is good shall win over even.

1850
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 2: Average Mohammed What can one do to protect yourself? Or

1851
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 2: A love knowing for hate ideas he said, says to

1852
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,719
Speaker 2: the following three things.

1853
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 4: If you suspect hate speech in a love for one,

1854
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 4: challenge the narrative. Explain why inclusion and diversity is respect.

1855
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 2: Of our democracies. Two.

1856
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:17,759
Speaker 4: Pay attention to the memes and content politically charged messages.

1857
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 4: Avoid them and friending your loved one. You can call

1858
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 4: it out for parents. Know what your child is consuming,

1859
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 4: protect them from it. Three, Listen to what they are

1860
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 4: saying or joking about. Learn from the internet. If it

1861
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 4: demeans or blames politically erase people, nationality, sexuality, or religion,

1862
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 4: this is a sign the person is consuming hate ideas.

1863
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 4: It isn't a joke if it demeans others. That is

1864
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 4: how it starts into full fledged hate adventure.

1865
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 2: Get to know what to look out for. What can

1866
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 2: I do for a loved one? I don't want the

1867
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: ex shameless thinking manifesting into terrorism.

1868
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 4: Research number experts say to the following to stop that process.

1869
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 4: Listen to the views even wrong ones to challenge. Talk

1870
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 4: to others in their life, Build a supportive network around

1871
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 4: them of positive influence.

1872
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 2: Do not shave them again. Do not shave them. You

1873
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 2: have every right to be angry disgusted by the age.

1874
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 4: Shaming only forces your loved one to dig in and

1875
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 4: isolates father to reinforcing the ideas.

1876
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 2: This is for them, for the extremists to recruit.

1877
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:45,879
Speaker 4: Father foster open dialogue, create a safe space for dialogue.

1878
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 4: Do please take a neutral tone approach. Anger has never

1879
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 4: solved a problem. We the anti hate coalition exists in

1880
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 4: every society and country.

1881
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 2: Average Mahammed.

1882
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 4: Reach out to the experts, Google extremishing interventional organizations. Get

1883
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 4: the help you need to stop hat averreds Bahaman as hope.

1884
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 4: It is the intangible feature of our humanity. Information of

1885
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 4: how to act is power. We have as a people race, nationalitist,

1886
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:25,879
Speaker 4: sexuality and religions. Let's use free speech and non violence

1887
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 4: ways for the good of country and humanity. We can

1888
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 4: defeat terrorists by all of us engaging against hate. That

1889
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 4: bridge hate which leads to terrorism.

1890
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 2: For some must go for good. We shall prevail over evil.

1891
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,839
Speaker 4: We believe in that hope for all humanity or average

1892
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 4: Mohammed works this message.

1893
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 2: We've got to abou avide Brahammed not all.

1894
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 3: Very nice.

1895
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 4: We want you to learn use it. Information is power.

1896
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 4: Watch this video and.

1897
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 3: Let's understand and that he can work its way into

1898
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 3: any life, any religions. We have to guard against it.

1899
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 4: I've walked with the anti extremes, and I started with

1900
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 4: the Jihardi violent Jeerhardist who basically our offense. Jiehardist like

1901
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 4: al kaida Is is Alsaba, people who want to kill

1902
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 4: just about anybody who disagrees with them, and that mentality

1903
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 4: has gone mainstream in every religion. That's very interesting in

1904
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 4: every society because people get desensitized to it and before.

1905
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 3: You know it spread, adopting it spreads. My grandfather.

1906
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 4: Was once asked by my father, why don't you want

1907
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:42,679
Speaker 4: us to go move to the cities because we lived

1908
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 4: outside the cities. And he said, because of things. So

1909
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 4: what things you said? When you first go to a city,

1910
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 4: you're shocked at the decadence and what goes on in

1911
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 4: the cities, and then before you know it becomes normal, and.

1912
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 3: Then before you know it, you're actually doing it. You're

1913
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 3: part of it. This is this is about your life cycle.

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01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 3: This works the same way with extremism.

1915
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 4: At first it shocks people, before you know it becomes normal,

1916
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 4: and after that people started imitating it. What we call

1917
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 4: these people who are trying to assassin it chalika, they

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01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 4: all are Kaida there.

1919
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Yes, that's I knew you were heading there. And that's

1920
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 3: what we have to come to grips with as a society,

1921
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 3: that this kind of hate spreads in every direction. And

1922
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 3: if we're going to hold our country as a constitutional

1923
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 3: republic forgiveness and love and.

1924
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 4: Zero toleers to it, the government must have a zero

1925
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 4: toleugh's attitude to it. That's the only way it was.

1926
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 4: So justice is justice, zero tolerance. If there's anybody organizing,

1927
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 4: charge them, if there's anybody inciting, charge them, arrest them,

1928
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 4: let them be a cost to it, let them go

1929
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:57,759
Speaker 4: before it because we're.

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Speaker 3: In our countries where assassinations was well. Assassination has been

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Speaker 3: normal in this country from time to time, all the time.

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Speaker 3: Right now. What you're saying is the key to get

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Speaker 3: out of this is zero tolerance of hateful rhetoric. No,

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Speaker 3: not hateful rhetoric.

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Speaker 4: That's free speech, okay, But what I'll talk about is

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Speaker 4: assassination and assassination attempts.

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Speaker 3: Anybody organizing to perform violently.

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Speaker 4: Anybody who wants to kill another human being for their

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Speaker 4: political opinion. We need to do something about it in

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Speaker 4: terms of legally figure out a way without infringing of

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Speaker 4: free speech.

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Speaker 3: It's a law enforcement issue.

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Speaker 4: Basically, there's laws on the books apply them.

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Speaker 3: But your video also says that the associates, the family

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Speaker 3: and friends.

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Speaker 4: Are the biggest impact you can have in life in

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Speaker 4: stopping tech kind of people. And the impact starts with

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Speaker 4: hate speech. Once you notice hate speech and you think

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Speaker 4: it is wrong, it is still legal to do so

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Speaker 4: in America, but.

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Speaker 3: You have to confront it and call it out dialogue,

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Speaker 3: and what you.

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Speaker 4: Do is you don't shame them. That's the most important thing.

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Speaker 4: Don't shame apostle with it into it.

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Speaker 3: Don't shame don't use guilt as a weapon pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Don't see that's a hate speech. We don't like that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't raise you that way.

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Speaker 4: It's not only your business TikTok, YouTube and Swiss social

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Speaker 4: media and other things that raising your kid today in

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Speaker 4: America and across the planet. You've lost that battle.

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Speaker 3: Give it up, Muhammed. We're going to have to stop.

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Speaker 3: But it certainly sets up the next visit about how

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Speaker 3: we can work in our families and in our communities

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Speaker 3: to organize for a more peaceful society. We're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to come back to peace and talk about peace next time.

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Speaker 3: We'll start with peace next time. Well, let me end

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Speaker 3: and you'll be supporting Mohammed and his effort to bring

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Speaker 3: about a more peaceful society here in his beloved country,

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Speaker 3: the Republic.

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Speaker 4: Of the United States of America. Go bless America. Go

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Speaker 4: to RPC dot org if you can do it. I'm

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Speaker 4: with anything you can do, even a pennies right now,

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Speaker 3: Trust me. Thank you very much for coming to Mohammad.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have you back soon again. Thank you

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